1 00:00:06,124 --> 00:00:08,337 GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. 2 00:00:08,337 --> 00:00:09,261 WELCOME TO THE NIH 3 00:00:09,261 --> 00:00:10,339 RELIGION SPIRITUALTY 4 00:00:10,339 --> 00:00:12,024 AND HEALTH SCIENTIFIC 5 00:00:12,024 --> 00:00:13,309 INTEREST GROUPS 6 00:00:13,309 --> 00:00:14,660 WEBINAR. WE ARE SO 7 00:00:14,660 --> 00:00:16,312 GLAD YOU ARE HERE FOR 8 00:00:16,312 --> 00:00:17,813 WHAT PROMISES TO BE 9 00:00:17,813 --> 00:00:19,315 A VERY INTERESTING 10 00:00:19,315 --> 00:00:20,065 AND INFORMATIVE 11 00:00:20,065 --> 00:00:21,317 PRESENTATION. MY NAME IS 12 00:00:21,317 --> 00:00:22,743 JOAN ROMAINE, AND I 13 00:00:22,743 --> 00:00:24,320 AM FOUNDER AND CHAIR 14 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,110 OF THE RELIGION 15 00:00:25,110 --> 00:00:26,322 SPIRITUALTY AND HEALTH 16 00:00:26,322 --> 00:00:27,864 SCIENTIFIC INTEREST 17 00:00:27,864 --> 00:00:29,325 GROUP WHICH BEGAN 18 00:00:29,325 --> 00:00:30,711 HERE AT THE NIH IN 19 00:00:30,711 --> 00:00:32,328 OCTOBER 2020. BY WAY 20 00:00:32,328 --> 00:00:35,331 OF POSITIONALTY, I WOULD LIKE TO 21 00:00:35,331 --> 00:00:36,049 ACKNOWLEDGE MY 22 00:00:36,049 --> 00:00:37,333 PRIVILEGE AS A CISGENDER 23 00:00:37,333 --> 00:00:38,794 WHITE HETEROSEXUAL 24 00:00:38,794 --> 00:00:40,336 MARRIED WOMAN WITH 25 00:00:40,336 --> 00:00:41,364 ADVANCED DEGREES IN 26 00:00:41,364 --> 00:00:42,338 PUBLIC HEALTH AND 27 00:00:42,338 --> 00:00:43,863 PASTORAL COUNSELING 28 00:00:43,863 --> 00:00:45,307 WHO LIVES ON LAND 29 00:00:45,307 --> 00:00:47,421 THAT WAS ORIGINALLY 30 00:00:47,421 --> 00:00:49,311 INHABITED BY THE 31 00:00:49,311 --> 00:00:52,314 ALGONQUIAN PEOPLES, NAMELY THE 32 00:00:52,314 --> 00:00:53,172 NACOTCHTANK AND 33 00:00:53,172 --> 00:00:54,316 PISCATAWAY PEOPLES. 34 00:00:54,316 --> 00:00:57,319 TODAY IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO 35 00:00:57,319 --> 00:00:59,321 INTRODUCE OUR GUEST 36 00:00:59,321 --> 00:01:01,323 SPEAKER, DR. JESSE 37 00:01:01,323 --> 00:01:03,009 FOX FROM STETSON 38 00:01:03,009 --> 00:01:05,327 UNIVERSITY IN DELAND, 39 00:01:05,327 --> 00:01:06,904 FLORIDA. DR. FOX WILL 40 00:01:06,904 --> 00:01:08,330 BE PRESENTING ON A 41 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:09,384 VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC 42 00:01:09,384 --> 00:01:10,332 WHICH IS NEAR AND 43 00:01:10,332 --> 00:01:11,609 DEAR TO MY HEART, 44 00:01:11,609 --> 00:01:13,335 DEVELOPING RESEARCH TO 45 00:01:13,335 --> 00:01:16,338 TRAIN MENTAL HEALTH PROVIDERS IN 46 00:01:16,338 --> 00:01:18,136 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 47 00:01:18,136 --> 00:01:19,308 COMPETENCIES. 48 00:01:19,308 --> 00:01:20,157 AS BACKGROUND, 49 00:01:20,157 --> 00:01:21,310 DR. FOX EARNED HIS 50 00:01:21,310 --> 00:01:22,661 DOCTORATE FROM THE 51 00:01:22,661 --> 00:01:24,313 UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL 52 00:01:24,313 --> 00:01:27,316 FLORIDA AND HAS BEEN A COUNSELOR 53 00:01:27,316 --> 00:01:28,651 EDUCATOR FOR TEN 54 00:01:28,651 --> 00:01:30,319 YEARS EDUCATING AND 55 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,536 TRAINING MENTAL 56 00:01:31,536 --> 00:01:33,322 HEALTH COUNSELORS. HE 57 00:01:33,322 --> 00:01:34,350 SPENT SEVERAL YEARS 58 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:35,324 ON THE FACULTY AT 59 00:01:35,324 --> 00:01:36,868 LOYOLA UNIVERSITY, 60 00:01:36,868 --> 00:01:38,327 MARYLAND, IN THE 61 00:01:38,327 --> 00:01:39,979 DEPARTMENT OF PASTORAL 62 00:01:39,979 --> 00:01:41,330 COUNSELING BEFORE 63 00:01:41,330 --> 00:01:44,333 JOINING STETSON IN 2017. HE HAS 64 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:45,923 EXPERIENCE WORKING 65 00:01:45,923 --> 00:01:47,336 WITH A RANGE OF 66 00:01:47,336 --> 00:01:48,414 CLINICAL POPULATIONS, 67 00:01:48,414 --> 00:01:49,338 INCLUDING COLLEGE 68 00:01:49,338 --> 00:01:51,340 COUNSELING, OUTPATIENT ADDICTION 69 00:01:51,340 --> 00:01:53,376 TREATMENT, COMMUNITY 70 00:01:53,376 --> 00:01:55,311 MENTAL HEALTH, AND 71 00:01:55,311 --> 00:01:56,858 PRIVATE PRACTICE. 72 00:01:56,858 --> 00:01:58,314 HE IS A PROJECT 73 00:01:58,314 --> 00:01:59,420 LEADER FOR THE 74 00:01:59,420 --> 00:02:01,317 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 75 00:02:01,317 --> 00:02:05,321 COMPETENCY PROJECT WHICH IS A 76 00:02:05,321 --> 00:02:06,781 $5.3 MILLION GRANT 77 00:02:06,781 --> 00:02:08,324 FUNDED BY THE JOHN 78 00:02:08,324 --> 00:02:10,028 TEMPLETON FOUNDATION. 79 00:02:10,028 --> 00:02:11,327 SINCE 2020, DR. 80 00:02:11,327 --> 00:02:13,429 FOX HAS SERVED AS THE 81 00:02:13,429 --> 00:02:15,331 EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR 82 00:02:15,331 --> 00:02:17,062 OF THE EPISCOPAL 83 00:02:17,062 --> 00:02:19,335 COUNSELING CENTER, A 84 00:02:19,335 --> 00:02:21,039 NON-PROFIT COUNSELING 85 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:22,338 CENTER AT SAINT 86 00:02:22,338 --> 00:02:23,822 BARNABUS EPISCOPAL 87 00:02:23,822 --> 00:02:25,307 JUDGE SERVING THE 88 00:02:25,307 --> 00:02:26,572 DELAND, FLORIDA, 89 00:02:26,572 --> 00:02:28,310 COMMUNITY SINCE 1987. 90 00:02:28,310 --> 00:02:29,927 DR. FOX MOST RECENTLY 91 00:02:29,927 --> 00:02:31,313 HAS SERVED AS THE 92 00:02:31,313 --> 00:02:35,317 PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION FOR 93 00:02:35,317 --> 00:02:37,556 SPIRITUAL ETHICAL 94 00:02:37,556 --> 00:02:40,322 AND RELIGIOUS VALUES 95 00:02:40,322 --> 00:02:41,323 AND COUNSELING, ALSO 96 00:02:41,323 --> 00:02:42,324 KNOWN AS ASERVIC, A 97 00:02:42,324 --> 00:02:43,747 SUBDIVISION OF THE 98 00:02:43,747 --> 00:02:45,327 AMERICAN COUNSELING 99 00:02:45,327 --> 00:02:46,869 ASSOCIATION. BEFORE 100 00:02:46,869 --> 00:02:48,330 I TURN IT OVER TO 101 00:02:48,330 --> 00:02:49,786 DR. FOX, I WOULD 102 00:02:49,786 --> 00:02:51,333 LIKE TO ASK THAT 103 00:02:51,333 --> 00:02:52,167 EVERYONE PLEASE 104 00:02:52,167 --> 00:02:53,335 STAY MUTED WITH YOUR 105 00:02:53,335 --> 00:02:54,679 VIDEOS OFF UNLESS 106 00:02:54,679 --> 00:02:56,338 YOU ARE SPEAKING. WE 107 00:02:56,338 --> 00:02:57,633 WILL HAVE TIME AT 108 00:02:57,633 --> 00:02:59,308 THE END FOR QUESTIONS 109 00:02:59,308 --> 00:03:00,848 AND ANSWERS WITH DR. 110 00:03:00,848 --> 00:03:02,311 FOX AND AS YOU CAN 111 00:03:02,311 --> 00:03:03,812 SEE WE ARE RECORDING 112 00:03:03,812 --> 00:03:05,314 THIS WEBINAR AND WE 113 00:03:05,314 --> 00:03:06,315 WILL POST IT ON OUR 114 00:03:06,315 --> 00:03:07,316 RSH-SIG WEBSITE AS 115 00:03:07,316 --> 00:03:08,817 SOON AS WE ARE ABLE 116 00:03:08,817 --> 00:03:10,319 AFTER THE TALK. SO 117 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:11,320 WITH THAT, IT IS MY 118 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,321 GREAT PLEASURE AND 119 00:03:12,321 --> 00:03:13,585 HONOR TO TURN IT 120 00:03:13,585 --> 00:03:15,324 OVER TO YOU, DR. FOX. 121 00:03:15,324 --> 00:03:18,327 TAKE IT AWAY. 122 00:03:18,327 --> 00:03:19,912 >> THANK YOU, JOAN. 123 00:03:19,912 --> 00:03:21,330 AND THANK YOU TO 124 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:23,332 EVERYBODY WHO IS A PART OF THE 125 00:03:23,332 --> 00:03:25,709 SCIENTIFIC INTEREST 126 00:03:25,709 --> 00:03:28,337 GROUP. IT IS A GREAT 127 00:03:28,337 --> 00:03:31,776 JOY TO ME TO ENGAGE 128 00:03:31,776 --> 00:03:34,309 WITH YOU THIS 129 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:34,720 AFTERNOON AND TO 130 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:35,310 DISCUSS SOME IMPORTANT 131 00:03:35,310 --> 00:03:36,496 QUESTIONS, SOME 132 00:03:36,496 --> 00:03:38,313 IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS 133 00:03:38,313 --> 00:03:39,815 THAT HAVE HAPPENED 134 00:03:39,815 --> 00:03:41,316 IN THE CONTEXT OF 135 00:03:41,316 --> 00:03:43,318 TALK THERAPY OVER 136 00:03:43,318 --> 00:03:45,320 THE LAST SEVERAL 137 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:46,743 DECADES LEADING UP 138 00:03:46,743 --> 00:03:48,323 TO THE PRESENT. AND 139 00:03:48,323 --> 00:03:49,247 SO I'M GOING TO BE 140 00:03:49,247 --> 00:03:50,325 TALKING THROUGH SOME 141 00:03:50,325 --> 00:03:51,752 OF THE FOUNDATIONAL 142 00:03:51,752 --> 00:03:53,328 ISSUES THAT HAVE LED 143 00:03:53,328 --> 00:03:56,331 UP TO OUR PROJECT, THE SPIRITUAL 144 00:03:56,331 --> 00:03:58,333 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCIES PROJECT. 145 00:03:58,333 --> 00:03:59,229 AND IN PARTICULAR 146 00:03:59,229 --> 00:04:00,335 ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT 147 00:04:00,335 --> 00:04:02,279 INFORM THE DEVELOPMENT 148 00:04:02,279 --> 00:04:03,338 OF RESEARCH 149 00:04:03,338 --> 00:04:04,823 PROJECTS THAT FOCUS 150 00:04:04,823 --> 00:04:06,308 ON TRAINING MENTAL 151 00:04:06,308 --> 00:04:07,735 HEALTH PROVIDERS TO 152 00:04:07,735 --> 00:04:09,311 BE RESPONSIVE TO THE 153 00:04:09,311 --> 00:04:10,492 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 154 00:04:10,492 --> 00:04:11,313 DYNAMICS IN THE 155 00:04:11,313 --> 00:04:12,578 CONTEXT OF THEIR 156 00:04:12,578 --> 00:04:14,316 MENTAL HEALTHCARE. SO 157 00:04:14,316 --> 00:04:18,780 WITHOUT FURTHER 158 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:25,327 ADIEU I'M GOING TO GO 159 00:04:25,327 --> 00:04:26,251 AHEAD AND SHARE MY 160 00:04:26,251 --> 00:04:27,329 SCREEN. AND JOAN, IF 161 00:04:27,329 --> 00:04:27,741 YOU CAN LET ME 162 00:04:27,741 --> 00:04:28,330 KNOW IF YOU ARE ARE 163 00:04:28,330 --> 00:04:28,952 SEEING THE PRESENTATION 164 00:04:28,952 --> 00:04:29,331 BEFORE I MOVE 165 00:04:29,331 --> 00:04:31,333 FORWARD. 166 00:04:31,333 --> 00:04:33,163 >> YES, IT LOOKS 167 00:04:33,163 --> 00:04:35,337 GREAT. THANK YOU. 168 00:04:35,337 --> 00:04:37,606 >> THANK YOU. BEFORE 169 00:04:37,606 --> 00:04:39,308 I BEGIN JUST A 170 00:04:39,308 --> 00:04:40,197 QUICK DISCLAIMER 171 00:04:40,197 --> 00:04:41,310 THAT WHAT I WILL BE 172 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:42,933 SHARING ARE MY VIEWS 173 00:04:42,933 --> 00:04:44,313 AND OBVIOUSLY DO 174 00:04:44,313 --> 00:04:47,079 NOT NECESSARILY 175 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:51,320 REPRESENT THE VIEWS OF 176 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,046 THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES 177 00:04:53,046 --> 00:04:54,323 OF HEALTH. SO TO 178 00:04:54,323 --> 00:04:55,271 BEGIN THE TOPIC OF 179 00:04:55,271 --> 00:04:56,325 DEVELOPING RESEARCH 180 00:04:56,325 --> 00:04:57,183 AROUND TRAINING 181 00:04:57,183 --> 00:04:58,327 SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 182 00:04:58,327 --> 00:04:59,161 COMPETENCIES IN 183 00:04:59,161 --> 00:05:00,329 MENTAL HEALTHCARE, I 184 00:05:00,329 --> 00:05:02,277 THINK YOU ACTUALLY 185 00:05:02,277 --> 00:05:04,333 HAVE TO GO BACK TO 186 00:05:04,333 --> 00:05:05,755 THE FOUNDATIONS OF 187 00:05:05,755 --> 00:05:07,336 TALK THERAPY. AND 188 00:05:07,336 --> 00:05:08,310 SO I'M GOING TO BE 189 00:05:08,310 --> 00:05:09,338 SUMMARIZING OVER A 190 00:05:09,338 --> 00:05:10,588 HUNDRED YEARS OF 191 00:05:10,588 --> 00:05:12,307 HISTORY, SO OBVIOUSLY 192 00:05:12,307 --> 00:05:14,685 GOING TO BE LEAVING 193 00:05:14,685 --> 00:05:17,312 SOME DETAILS OUT BUT 194 00:05:17,312 --> 00:05:18,313 SUFFICE IT TO SAY AT 195 00:05:18,313 --> 00:05:19,314 THE ORIGINS OF TALK 196 00:05:19,314 --> 00:05:20,516 THERAPY WHICH IS 197 00:05:20,516 --> 00:05:22,317 INCLUSIVE OF TERMS LIKE 198 00:05:22,317 --> 00:05:23,018 COUNSELING AND 199 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:24,319 PSYCHOTHERAPY, I WILL USE 200 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:24,761 INTERCHANGEABLY 201 00:05:24,761 --> 00:05:25,320 TODAY, HAS EVOLVED 202 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,322 CONSIDERABLY OVER 203 00:05:27,322 --> 00:05:29,324 THE LAST HUNDRED 204 00:05:29,324 --> 00:05:32,828 YEARS. I DO WANT TO 205 00:05:32,828 --> 00:05:36,331 MENTION THE PERSON 206 00:05:36,331 --> 00:05:37,221 OBVIOUSLY TO THE 207 00:05:37,221 --> 00:05:38,333 RIGHT OF THE SCREEN 208 00:05:38,333 --> 00:05:39,307 SIGMUND FREUD, ONE 209 00:05:39,307 --> 00:05:40,335 OF THE FOUNDERS OF 210 00:05:40,335 --> 00:05:43,030 WESTERN TALK THERAPY. 211 00:05:43,030 --> 00:05:45,340 ALSO HAD A NUMBER 212 00:05:45,340 --> 00:05:45,340 OF WORKS THAT HE 213 00:05:45,340 --> 00:05:45,340 WROTE ABOUT FOUR WORKS 214 00:05:45,340 --> 00:05:47,241 IN PARTICULAR 215 00:05:47,241 --> 00:05:50,312 AROUND AMERICAN TALL 216 00:05:50,312 --> 00:05:51,813 HEALTH AND RELIGION. 217 00:05:51,813 --> 00:05:53,315 AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE 218 00:05:53,315 --> 00:05:54,579 REFLECTED ON AND 219 00:05:54,579 --> 00:05:56,318 POINTED OUT, THIS WAS 220 00:05:56,318 --> 00:05:57,410 VIEWED AS SOMEWHAT 221 00:05:57,410 --> 00:05:58,320 CONTENTIOUS OR 222 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,048 ANTAGONISTIC 223 00:05:59,048 --> 00:06:00,322 RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN 224 00:06:00,322 --> 00:06:05,577 SPIRITUALTY, RELIGION 225 00:06:05,577 --> 00:06:10,332 AND MENTAL HEALTH. 226 00:06:10,332 --> 00:06:11,533 OVER TIME TALK 227 00:06:11,533 --> 00:06:13,335 THERAPY EVOLVED INTO 228 00:06:13,335 --> 00:06:14,882 DIFFERENT SCHOOLS 229 00:06:14,882 --> 00:06:16,338 AND SO FROM THE 230 00:06:16,338 --> 00:06:17,570 ORIGINS OF PSYCHODYNAMIC 231 00:06:17,570 --> 00:06:18,340 THEORY, MOVING 232 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:19,324 INTO BEHAVE YOU I 233 00:06:19,324 --> 00:06:20,309 DON'T RECALLISM, 234 00:06:20,309 --> 00:06:22,088 MOVING TO CLIENT 235 00:06:22,088 --> 00:06:24,313 CENTERED, MOVING TO 236 00:06:24,313 --> 00:06:26,537 RATIONAL MOTIVE; 237 00:06:26,537 --> 00:06:29,318 GESTALT THERAPY, ET 238 00:06:29,318 --> 00:06:30,319 CETERA, THERE WAS A SHIFT IN 239 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:31,320 DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT 240 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,321 THAT OCCURRED AFTER 241 00:06:32,321 --> 00:06:36,325 THE ORIGINAL STARTING POINT OF 242 00:06:36,325 --> 00:06:38,076 PSYCHODYNAMIC THEORY. 243 00:06:38,076 --> 00:06:39,328 SO FOR DECADES 244 00:06:39,328 --> 00:06:40,031 MENTAL HEALTH 245 00:06:40,031 --> 00:06:41,330 PROFESSIONALS WHEN THEY 246 00:06:41,330 --> 00:06:44,333 WANTED TO BE TRAINED WENT TO A 247 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:46,277 PARTICULAR SCHOOL 248 00:06:46,277 --> 00:06:48,337 OF COUNSELING AND 249 00:06:48,337 --> 00:06:49,709 PSYCHOTHERAPY TO 250 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:51,340 BE TRAINED UNDER A 251 00:06:51,340 --> 00:06:52,907 LEADING FIGURE LIKE 252 00:06:52,907 --> 00:06:54,309 FREUD, LIKE CARL 253 00:06:54,309 --> 00:06:55,131 YOUNG, LIKE CARL 254 00:06:55,131 --> 00:06:56,311 ROGERS, ET CETERA. AS 255 00:06:56,311 --> 00:06:57,610 TIME PROGRESSED, 256 00:06:57,610 --> 00:06:59,314 HOWEVER, THERE WAS A 257 00:06:59,314 --> 00:07:00,895 SHIFT THAT OCCURRED. 258 00:07:00,895 --> 00:07:02,317 WHICH I WILL TALK 259 00:07:02,317 --> 00:07:03,118 ABOUT IN GREATER 260 00:07:03,118 --> 00:07:04,319 DETAIL IN THE SLIDES TO 261 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:05,705 COME. BUT IF I CAN 262 00:07:05,705 --> 00:07:07,322 SUMMARIZE THAT SHIFT 263 00:07:07,322 --> 00:07:08,778 THERE IS A SHIFT 264 00:07:08,778 --> 00:07:10,325 FROM THEORETICAL 265 00:07:10,325 --> 00:07:13,328 ORTHODOXY COMPETITION LIKE IS 266 00:07:13,328 --> 00:07:14,830 PSYCHODYNAMIC BETTER 267 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:16,331 THAN BEHAVIORISM OR 268 00:07:16,331 --> 00:07:17,794 IS THAT BETTER THAN 269 00:07:17,794 --> 00:07:19,334 CLIENT CENTERED? TO 270 00:07:19,334 --> 00:07:20,471 EVIDENCE BASED 271 00:07:20,471 --> 00:07:22,337 PRACTICES. AND THERE'S 272 00:07:22,337 --> 00:07:26,308 SOME PARTICULAR REASONS WHY THAT 273 00:07:26,308 --> 00:07:27,309 HAPPENED. BUT THERE 274 00:07:27,309 --> 00:07:28,310 WAS ALSO FOLLOWING 275 00:07:28,310 --> 00:07:30,207 UPON THESE MASSIVE 276 00:07:30,207 --> 00:07:32,314 MOVEMENTS THAT TOOK 277 00:07:32,314 --> 00:07:33,931 PLACE IN WESTERN TALK 278 00:07:33,931 --> 00:07:35,317 THERAPY, WAS ALSO 279 00:07:35,317 --> 00:07:36,697 THE RISE OF MULTI 280 00:07:36,697 --> 00:07:38,320 -CULTURISM THAT HAS 281 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,900 BEEN INCREDIBLY 282 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,324 INFLUENTIAL IN SHAPING 283 00:07:42,324 --> 00:07:44,480 HOW MENTAL HEALTHCARE 284 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,328 IS CONCEPTUALIZED 285 00:07:46,328 --> 00:07:48,627 AND DEPLOYED. ONE 286 00:07:48,627 --> 00:07:51,333 OF THE MAJOR SHIFTS 287 00:07:51,333 --> 00:07:52,676 THAT HAPPENED WAS 288 00:07:52,676 --> 00:07:54,336 THAT WHEN SCIENTISTS 289 00:07:54,336 --> 00:07:56,338 OF PSYCHOTHERAPY STARTED TO ASK 290 00:07:56,338 --> 00:07:58,340 QUESTIONS LIKE WHICH THEORETICAL 291 00:07:58,340 --> 00:07:59,884 ORIENTATION IS 292 00:07:59,884 --> 00:08:02,311 BETTER AS COMPARED TO 293 00:08:02,311 --> 00:08:03,774 OTHERS, THERE WAS A 294 00:08:03,774 --> 00:08:05,314 UNIQUE FINDING THAT 295 00:08:05,314 --> 00:08:07,204 CAME FORWARD. THE 296 00:08:07,204 --> 00:08:09,318 PICTURE YOU SEE TO 297 00:08:09,318 --> 00:08:10,129 YOUR RIGHT IS A 298 00:08:10,129 --> 00:08:11,320 PICTURE FROM ALICE IN 299 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,742 WONDER LAND, THERE 300 00:08:12,742 --> 00:08:14,323 IS A STORY IN ALICE 301 00:08:14,323 --> 00:08:15,559 IN WONDER LAND 302 00:08:15,559 --> 00:08:17,326 ABOUT THE DODO BIRD 303 00:08:17,326 --> 00:08:18,600 HOLDING A COMPETITION 304 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,328 AMONGST THE 305 00:08:19,328 --> 00:08:20,359 CHARACTERS IN THE 306 00:08:20,359 --> 00:08:21,330 STORY. BUT THIS 307 00:08:21,330 --> 00:08:22,436 COMPETITION IS 308 00:08:22,436 --> 00:08:24,333 ACTUALLY FIXED FROM THE 309 00:08:24,333 --> 00:08:26,335 OUTSET. SO AT THE END OF THE 310 00:08:26,335 --> 00:08:27,836 COMPETITION, ALL OF 311 00:08:27,836 --> 00:08:29,338 THE CHARACTERS ARE 312 00:08:29,338 --> 00:08:30,539 SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTED 313 00:08:30,539 --> 00:08:31,340 BECAUSE AS IT 314 00:08:31,340 --> 00:08:32,784 TURNS OUT THEY ALL 315 00:08:32,784 --> 00:08:34,309 WON THE RACE, THEY 316 00:08:34,309 --> 00:08:35,588 ALL WON THE COMPETITION 317 00:08:35,588 --> 00:08:36,311 AND THEY ALL 318 00:08:36,311 --> 00:08:37,892 RECEIVED PRIZES. AND 319 00:08:37,892 --> 00:08:39,314 THIS IS SOMETIMES 320 00:08:39,314 --> 00:08:40,365 REFERRED TO IN 321 00:08:40,365 --> 00:08:42,317 PSYCHOTHERAPY RESEARCH AS 322 00:08:42,317 --> 00:08:42,679 THE DODO BIRD 323 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:43,318 VERDICT. THAT ACTUALLY 324 00:08:43,318 --> 00:08:46,141 WHEN DIFFERENT SCHOOLS 325 00:08:46,141 --> 00:08:48,323 OF PSYCHOTHERAPY 326 00:08:48,323 --> 00:08:49,374 WERE COMPARED TO EACH 327 00:08:49,374 --> 00:08:50,325 OTHER EMPIRICALLY, 328 00:08:50,325 --> 00:08:51,353 THERE WAS A FINDING 329 00:08:51,353 --> 00:08:52,327 THAT THERE WASN'T 330 00:08:52,327 --> 00:08:55,330 ONE THAT WAS NECESSARILY 331 00:08:55,330 --> 00:08:57,332 SUPERIOR TO ALL 332 00:08:57,332 --> 00:08:58,306 THE OTHERS. NOW, 333 00:08:58,306 --> 00:08:59,334 AS THAT HAS PLAYED 334 00:08:59,334 --> 00:08:59,860 OUT THERE ARE CERTAIN 335 00:08:59,860 --> 00:09:00,335 THEORIES THAT HAVE 336 00:09:00,335 --> 00:09:02,838 STRONGER EFFECT ON 337 00:09:02,838 --> 00:09:05,340 CERTAIN DYNAMICS, 338 00:09:05,340 --> 00:09:06,353 CERTAIN DISORDERS, 339 00:09:06,353 --> 00:09:07,309 BUT OVERALL WHAT 340 00:09:07,309 --> 00:09:08,695 RESEARCH HAS SHOWN 341 00:09:08,695 --> 00:09:10,312 IS THAT IT ISN'T ONE 342 00:09:10,312 --> 00:09:12,611 PARTICULAR THEORY 343 00:09:12,611 --> 00:09:15,317 THAT IS NECESSARILY 344 00:09:15,317 --> 00:09:16,189 SUPERIOR. SO THAT 345 00:09:16,189 --> 00:09:17,319 REALLY CHALLENGED HOW 346 00:09:17,319 --> 00:09:18,097 COUNSELORS AND 347 00:09:18,097 --> 00:09:19,321 PSYCHOTHERAPISTS WERE 348 00:09:19,321 --> 00:09:20,782 THEN TRAINED. DO I 349 00:09:20,782 --> 00:09:22,324 GO TO A PARTICULAR 350 00:09:22,324 --> 00:09:23,983 SCHOOL OR DO I BECOME 351 00:09:23,983 --> 00:09:25,327 MORE INTEGRATIVE 352 00:09:25,327 --> 00:09:28,407 AND START MIXING AND 353 00:09:28,407 --> 00:09:31,333 MATCHING DIFFERENT 354 00:09:31,333 --> 00:09:33,308 THEORETICAL ORIENTATIONS? 355 00:09:33,308 --> 00:09:34,336 IN THE EARLY 356 00:09:34,336 --> 00:09:35,837 2000s, THE WAY THIS 357 00:09:35,837 --> 00:09:37,339 STARTED TO SHOW UP 358 00:09:37,339 --> 00:09:38,555 IN TRAINING PRACTICES 359 00:09:38,555 --> 00:09:39,307 IS THE WHOLE 360 00:09:39,307 --> 00:09:41,309 EVIDENCE BASED 361 00:09:41,309 --> 00:09:44,312 PRACTICE MOVEMENT IN 362 00:09:44,312 --> 00:09:45,685 PSYCHOLOGY. SO 363 00:09:45,685 --> 00:09:47,315 IN 2005 ESPECIALLY 364 00:09:47,315 --> 00:09:47,945 POINTED APA 365 00:09:47,945 --> 00:09:49,317 PRESIDENTIAL TASK FORCE 366 00:09:49,317 --> 00:09:51,056 DEVELOPED A DEFINITION 367 00:09:51,056 --> 00:09:52,320 OF WHAT AMOUNTS 368 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:52,866 TO WHAT ARE CALLED 369 00:09:52,866 --> 00:09:53,321 EVIDENCE BASED 370 00:09:53,321 --> 00:09:54,673 PRACTICES. SO THIS 371 00:09:54,673 --> 00:09:56,324 IS SOMETIMES REFERRED 372 00:09:56,324 --> 00:09:58,326 TO AS THE THREE LEGGED STOOLS OF 373 00:09:58,326 --> 00:09:59,728 EVIDENCE BASED 374 00:09:59,728 --> 00:10:02,330 PRACTICES. IT IS THE BEST 375 00:10:02,330 --> 00:10:03,716 OF RESEARCH, IT IS 376 00:10:03,716 --> 00:10:05,333 THE BEST OF CLINICAL 377 00:10:05,333 --> 00:10:06,253 EXPERTISE, AND IT 378 00:10:06,253 --> 00:10:07,335 IS THEN MATCHED AND 379 00:10:07,335 --> 00:10:08,609 ADAPTED TO THE 380 00:10:08,609 --> 00:10:10,338 PARTICULARS OF THE 381 00:10:10,338 --> 00:10:14,309 PATIENT CHARACTERISTICS, 382 00:10:14,309 --> 00:10:16,876 CULTURE, AND PREFERENCES. 383 00:10:16,876 --> 00:10:18,313 WHAT INFORMED 384 00:10:18,313 --> 00:10:19,364 THIS MAJOR SHIFT FROM 385 00:10:19,364 --> 00:10:20,315 THEORETICAL PURITY 386 00:10:20,315 --> 00:10:23,318 ORTHODOXY TO THEN EVIDENCE BASED 387 00:10:23,318 --> 00:10:25,104 PRACTICES ARE FINDINGS 388 00:10:25,104 --> 00:10:26,321 LIKE THIS THAT 389 00:10:26,321 --> 00:10:28,759 YOU SEE IN FRONT OF 390 00:10:28,759 --> 00:10:31,326 YOU. THIS PIE CHART 391 00:10:31,326 --> 00:10:32,470 YOU SEE IS SOMETIMES 392 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:33,328 REFERRED TO AS 393 00:10:33,328 --> 00:10:35,831 LAMBBERT'S PIE, THE 394 00:10:35,831 --> 00:10:38,333 NAME OF THE FIGURE 395 00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:40,085 YOU SEE THERE MICHAEL 396 00:10:40,085 --> 00:10:41,336 LAMBERT. AFTER 397 00:10:41,336 --> 00:10:42,878 LOOKING AT A SERIES 398 00:10:42,878 --> 00:10:44,339 OF META ANALYSES, 399 00:10:44,339 --> 00:10:45,473 REVIEWS OF RESEARCH 400 00:10:45,473 --> 00:10:46,308 THAT HAD BEEN 401 00:10:46,308 --> 00:10:48,566 CONDUCTED OVER DECADES 402 00:10:48,566 --> 00:10:50,312 OF WORK, LOOKING 403 00:10:50,312 --> 00:10:52,314 AT COUNSELING AND PSYCHOTHERAPY 404 00:10:52,314 --> 00:10:55,001 OUTCOMES, LAMBERT 405 00:10:55,001 --> 00:10:58,320 AND OTHERS LIKE JOHN 406 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:59,203 NORCROSS LANDED 407 00:10:59,203 --> 00:11:00,322 AN ESTIMATION WHAT 408 00:11:00,322 --> 00:11:01,694 ACCOUNTS FOR THE 409 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:03,325 HEALING EFFECTS OF 410 00:11:03,325 --> 00:11:04,762 COUNSELING AND 411 00:11:04,762 --> 00:11:07,329 PSYCHOTHERAPY. AND WHAT 412 00:11:07,329 --> 00:11:10,332 YOU SEE IN THESE PIE CHARTS IS A 413 00:11:10,332 --> 00:11:11,608 PERCENTAGE OF THE 414 00:11:11,608 --> 00:11:13,335 EXPLAINED VARIATION OF 415 00:11:13,335 --> 00:11:15,425 COUNSELING AND 416 00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:19,307 PSYCHOTHERAPY OUTCOMES. 417 00:11:19,307 --> 00:11:20,809 AND WHAT IMMEDIATELY 418 00:11:20,809 --> 00:11:22,310 JUMPS OUT TO YOU IS 419 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:23,054 THAT 30% WHAT 420 00:11:23,054 --> 00:11:24,312 ACCOUNTS FOR POSITIVE 421 00:11:24,312 --> 00:11:25,893 CHANGE IN COUNSELING 422 00:11:25,893 --> 00:11:27,315 PSYCHOTHERAPY ARE 423 00:11:27,315 --> 00:11:28,640 THINGS THAT CUT 424 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,318 ACROSS THEORETICAL 425 00:11:30,318 --> 00:11:32,098 PERSPECTIVES. SO 426 00:11:32,098 --> 00:11:34,322 COMPOUNDING FACTORS 427 00:11:34,322 --> 00:11:35,206 ACCOUNT FOR THE 428 00:11:35,206 --> 00:11:36,324 MAJORITY OF PSYCHO 429 00:11:36,324 --> 00:11:36,736 THERAPY CHANGE 430 00:11:36,736 --> 00:11:37,325 THAT COUNSELORS AND 431 00:11:37,325 --> 00:11:39,923 PSYCHOTHERAPISTS 432 00:11:39,923 --> 00:11:43,331 HAVE THE MOST DIRECT 433 00:11:43,331 --> 00:11:45,333 EFFECT ON. IF YOU ZOOM INTO THAT 434 00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:46,918 PICTURE, THAT'S THE 435 00:11:46,918 --> 00:11:48,336 PIE CHART TO THE 436 00:11:48,336 --> 00:11:49,722 RIGHT, THE PICTURE 437 00:11:49,722 --> 00:11:51,339 THAT EMERGES IS THAT 438 00:11:51,339 --> 00:11:52,031 ACTUALLY WHAT 439 00:11:52,031 --> 00:11:53,308 CONTRIBUTES MOST TO THE 440 00:11:53,308 --> 00:11:54,509 FACTORS IS THE 441 00:11:54,509 --> 00:11:56,311 PATIENTS THEMSELVES. 442 00:11:56,311 --> 00:11:57,371 THEIR PERSONALITY, 443 00:11:57,371 --> 00:11:58,313 RESOURCES, LIFE 444 00:11:58,313 --> 00:11:59,391 EXPERIENCES THEY HAVE 445 00:11:59,391 --> 00:12:00,315 HAD. AND THEN THE 446 00:12:00,315 --> 00:12:02,014 SECOND LARGEST 447 00:12:02,014 --> 00:12:04,319 CONTRIBUTOR IS THE 448 00:12:04,319 --> 00:12:05,979 THERAPY RELATIONSHIP. 449 00:12:05,979 --> 00:12:07,322 THESE ARE THINGS 450 00:12:07,322 --> 00:12:08,297 LIKE WHETHER OR NOT 451 00:12:08,297 --> 00:12:09,324 THE CLIENT BELIEVES 452 00:12:09,324 --> 00:12:10,649 THEIR COUNSELOR 453 00:12:10,649 --> 00:12:12,327 CAN UNDERSTAND THE 454 00:12:12,327 --> 00:12:13,828 NATURE OF THEIR 455 00:12:13,828 --> 00:12:16,331 PROBLEMS AND PREDICTMENT 456 00:12:16,331 --> 00:12:16,920 THEY FIND THEMSELVES 457 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:17,332 IN. A SMALLER 458 00:12:17,332 --> 00:12:18,992 PORTION IS PARTICULAR 459 00:12:18,992 --> 00:12:20,335 TREATMENT METHOD 460 00:12:20,335 --> 00:12:22,115 THAT CUTS ACROSS 461 00:12:22,115 --> 00:12:24,339 DIFFERENT THREE ARE 462 00:12:24,339 --> 00:12:25,378 THECAL ORIENTATIONS 463 00:12:25,378 --> 00:12:26,308 AND TO A SMALLER 464 00:12:26,308 --> 00:12:27,158 EXTENT INDIVIDUAL 465 00:12:27,158 --> 00:12:28,310 CHARACTERISTICS OF THE 466 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:29,852 THERAPIST, A LOT OF 467 00:12:29,852 --> 00:12:31,313 THIS GOES BACK TO 468 00:12:31,313 --> 00:12:32,237 SOCIAL SKILLS. THE 469 00:12:32,237 --> 00:12:33,315 THERAPIST ABILITY TO 470 00:12:33,315 --> 00:12:34,953 READ SOCIAL QUEUES 471 00:12:34,953 --> 00:12:36,318 SITUATIONS AND 472 00:12:36,318 --> 00:12:37,319 RESPOND SMOOTHLY TO 473 00:12:37,319 --> 00:12:38,320 THEM. SO THESE ARE 474 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,371 COMMON FACTORS 475 00:12:39,371 --> 00:12:41,323 INCREDIBLY INFLUENTIAL TO 476 00:12:41,323 --> 00:12:43,325 SHAPING WHAT IS THE 477 00:12:43,325 --> 00:12:45,327 ENGINE THAT DRIVES 478 00:12:45,327 --> 00:12:47,924 CHANGE IN PSYCHOTHERAPY. 479 00:12:47,924 --> 00:12:49,331 ONE OF THOSE 480 00:12:49,331 --> 00:12:51,161 MAJOR CONSTRUCTS 481 00:12:51,161 --> 00:12:53,335 IS THE THERAPEUTIC 482 00:12:53,335 --> 00:12:54,178 ALLIANCE. SO THE 483 00:12:54,178 --> 00:12:55,337 THERAPEUTIC ALLIANCE, 484 00:12:55,337 --> 00:12:57,008 IT HAS DIFFERENT 485 00:12:57,008 --> 00:12:59,307 DEFINITIONS DEPENDING 486 00:12:59,307 --> 00:13:01,309 UPON VARIOUS THEORISTS, HOWEVER 487 00:13:01,309 --> 00:13:03,365 GENERALLY THEORISTS 488 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:05,313 AGREE IT IS THESE 489 00:13:05,313 --> 00:13:07,315 PRIMARY CHARACTERISTICS. 490 00:13:07,315 --> 00:13:08,529 ONE IT IS A POSITIVE 491 00:13:08,529 --> 00:13:09,317 BOND MADE OF 492 00:13:09,317 --> 00:13:11,214 TRADITIONAL CLIENT 493 00:13:11,214 --> 00:13:13,321 CENTERED CONDITIONS 494 00:13:13,321 --> 00:13:16,324 AND TECHNIQUES LIKE EMPATHY, 495 00:13:16,324 --> 00:13:17,589 NON-JUDGMENT AND 496 00:13:17,589 --> 00:13:19,327 GENUINENESS. ALSO THE 497 00:13:19,327 --> 00:13:20,671 DEGREE TO WHICH A 498 00:13:20,671 --> 00:13:22,330 CLIENT AGREES ON THE 499 00:13:22,330 --> 00:13:23,306 TASK OR THERAPY. SO 500 00:13:23,306 --> 00:13:24,332 THERE IS A SENTENCE 501 00:13:24,332 --> 00:13:25,175 OF COLLABORATION 502 00:13:25,175 --> 00:13:26,334 BETWEEN THE THERAPIST 503 00:13:26,334 --> 00:13:27,836 AND THEIR CLIENT AS 504 00:13:27,836 --> 00:13:29,337 THEY DO THEIR WORK 505 00:13:29,337 --> 00:13:29,770 FOR AN HOUR. AND 506 00:13:29,770 --> 00:13:30,338 THEN THE THIRD IS AN 507 00:13:30,338 --> 00:13:32,522 AGREEMENT ON THE GOALS 508 00:13:32,522 --> 00:13:34,309 OF PSYCHOTHERAPY. 509 00:13:34,309 --> 00:13:35,727 SO THAT THERE'S A 510 00:13:35,727 --> 00:13:37,312 COHESIVE DIRECTION 511 00:13:37,312 --> 00:13:38,775 THAT BOTH THERAPIST 512 00:13:38,775 --> 00:13:40,315 AND COUNSEL LOG AND 513 00:13:40,315 --> 00:13:41,895 THE CLIENT CAN AGREE 514 00:13:41,895 --> 00:13:43,318 ON THAT THESE ARE 515 00:13:43,318 --> 00:13:46,321 THE THINGS TO PURSUE IN OUR TIME 516 00:13:46,321 --> 00:13:47,608 TOGETHER. THESE 517 00:13:47,608 --> 00:13:49,324 ARE SUMMARIZED IN A 518 00:13:49,324 --> 00:13:52,327 QUOTE FROM ONE OF MY FAVORITE 519 00:13:52,327 --> 00:13:53,301 CONTEMPORARY 520 00:13:53,301 --> 00:13:55,330 PSYCHOTHERAPISTS, YALOM. 521 00:13:55,330 --> 00:13:56,359 WHEN HE IS WORKING 522 00:13:56,359 --> 00:13:57,332 WITH CLIENTS AND 523 00:13:57,332 --> 00:13:58,712 PATIENTS HE OFTEN 524 00:13:58,712 --> 00:14:00,335 REPEATS THIS PHRASE 525 00:14:00,335 --> 00:14:01,708 OVER AND OVER TO 526 00:14:01,708 --> 00:14:03,338 HELP GROUND HIM IN 527 00:14:03,338 --> 00:14:04,339 WHATEVER WORK HE'S 528 00:14:04,339 --> 00:14:05,340 DOING. IT IS THE 529 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:06,324 RELATIONSHIP THAT 530 00:14:06,324 --> 00:14:07,308 HEALS, IT IS THE 531 00:14:07,308 --> 00:14:09,310 RELATIONSHIP THAT 532 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:11,312 HEALS, IT IS THE 533 00:14:11,312 --> 00:14:12,589 RELATIONSHIP THAT 534 00:14:12,589 --> 00:14:14,315 HEALS, AND SO ON. AS I 535 00:14:14,315 --> 00:14:15,892 SAID, WHILE THIS WORK 536 00:14:15,892 --> 00:14:17,318 WAS GOING ON THERE 537 00:14:17,318 --> 00:14:19,628 WAS A SIMULTANEOUS 538 00:14:19,628 --> 00:14:22,323 RISE IN THE INTEREST 539 00:14:22,323 --> 00:14:25,326 OF WHAT IS NOW REFERRED TO AS 540 00:14:25,326 --> 00:14:26,378 MULTI-CULTURAL 541 00:14:26,378 --> 00:14:28,329 COMPETENCE IN COUNSELING. 542 00:14:28,329 --> 00:14:29,531 MULTI-CULTURAL 543 00:14:29,531 --> 00:14:31,332 COMPETENCE MOVES ONE 544 00:14:31,332 --> 00:14:32,791 DEGREE FURTHER IN 545 00:14:32,791 --> 00:14:34,335 THE EVIDENCE BASE 546 00:14:34,335 --> 00:14:35,721 THREE LEGGED STOOL 547 00:14:35,721 --> 00:14:37,338 TO FOCUS ON AND HONE 548 00:14:37,338 --> 00:14:38,823 IN ON WHAT ARE THE 549 00:14:38,823 --> 00:14:40,308 UNIQUE CLIENT AND 550 00:14:40,308 --> 00:14:41,810 PATIENT PREFERENCES, 551 00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:43,311 CHARACTERISTICS AND 552 00:14:43,311 --> 00:14:45,313 VALUES THAT WILL BE 553 00:14:45,313 --> 00:14:47,315 INFLUENTIAL TO THE 554 00:14:47,315 --> 00:14:48,316 MENTAL HEALTHCARE 555 00:14:48,316 --> 00:14:49,317 THEY RECEIVE. SO 556 00:14:49,317 --> 00:14:50,096 MULTI-CULTURAL 557 00:14:50,096 --> 00:14:51,319 COMPETENCE IS DEFINED 558 00:14:51,319 --> 00:14:52,057 HERE. CULTURAL 559 00:14:52,057 --> 00:14:53,321 COMPETENCE, THE ABILITY 560 00:14:53,321 --> 00:14:56,324 TO ENGAGE IN ACTIONS OR RECITE 561 00:14:56,324 --> 00:14:57,158 CONDITIONS THAT 562 00:14:57,158 --> 00:14:58,326 MAXIMIZE THE OPTIMAL 563 00:14:58,326 --> 00:15:00,328 DEVELOPMENT OF CLIENT AND CLIENT 564 00:15:00,328 --> 00:15:01,529 SYSTEMS. MULTI 565 00:15:01,529 --> 00:15:03,331 -CULTURAL COUNSELING 566 00:15:03,331 --> 00:15:03,703 COMPETENCE IS 567 00:15:03,703 --> 00:15:04,332 DEFINED AS COUNSELORS 568 00:15:04,332 --> 00:15:05,438 ACQUISITION OF 569 00:15:05,438 --> 00:15:07,335 AWARENESS, KNOWLEDGE AN 570 00:15:07,335 --> 00:15:08,721 SKILLS. NEEDED TO 571 00:15:08,721 --> 00:15:10,338 FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY 572 00:15:10,338 --> 00:15:12,340 IN A PLEURALLISTIC AND 573 00:15:12,340 --> 00:15:14,559 DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY. 574 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:16,311 WHICH INCLUDES 575 00:15:16,311 --> 00:15:18,313 ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE INTERACT, 576 00:15:18,313 --> 00:15:19,397 NEGOTIATE AND 577 00:15:19,397 --> 00:15:21,316 INTERVENE ON BEHALF OF 578 00:15:21,316 --> 00:15:22,369 CLIENTS FROM DIVERSE 579 00:15:22,369 --> 00:15:23,318 BACKGROUNDS ON AN 580 00:15:23,318 --> 00:15:26,321 ORGANIZATIONAL SOCIETAL LEVEL, 581 00:15:26,321 --> 00:15:27,511 ADVOCATING EFFECTIVELY 582 00:15:27,511 --> 00:15:28,323 TO DEVELOP NEW 583 00:15:28,323 --> 00:15:30,325 THEORIES, PRACTICE POLICIES, 584 00:15:30,325 --> 00:15:31,762 ORGANIZATIONAL 585 00:15:31,762 --> 00:15:34,329 STRUCTURE, THAT ARE MORE 586 00:15:34,329 --> 00:15:35,709 RESPONSIVE TO ALL 587 00:15:35,709 --> 00:15:37,332 GROUPS. SO WHAT YOU 588 00:15:37,332 --> 00:15:38,872 SEE WITH THE RISE IN 589 00:15:38,872 --> 00:15:40,335 THE MULTI-CULTURAL 590 00:15:40,335 --> 00:15:42,237 COMPETENCE MOVEMENT 591 00:15:42,237 --> 00:15:44,339 IS A REAL ZEROING IN 592 00:15:44,339 --> 00:15:45,862 ON GROUPS OFTEN LEFT 593 00:15:45,862 --> 00:15:47,308 OUT OF THE WESTERN 594 00:15:47,308 --> 00:15:48,951 MIDDLE CLASS AND 595 00:15:48,951 --> 00:15:51,312 LARGELY WHITE CONSUMER 596 00:15:51,312 --> 00:15:54,991 BASE OF MENTAL HEALTH 597 00:15:54,991 --> 00:15:58,319 SERVICES. THERE IS 598 00:15:58,319 --> 00:16:00,321 A LOT IN THAT DEFINITION. SO 599 00:16:00,321 --> 00:16:01,523 MULTI-CULTURAL 600 00:16:01,523 --> 00:16:03,324 COMPETENCE IS FAR IN 601 00:16:03,324 --> 00:16:04,941 SCOPE, BROAD IN SCOPE 602 00:16:04,941 --> 00:16:06,327 AND FAR REACHING. 603 00:16:06,327 --> 00:16:08,705 HOW IT IS TYPICALLY 604 00:16:08,705 --> 00:16:11,332 BROKEN DOWN IN TERMS 605 00:16:11,332 --> 00:16:15,389 OF TRAINING PROCESSES, 606 00:16:15,389 --> 00:16:18,339 THIS COMES FROM 607 00:16:18,339 --> 00:16:18,958 SOME OF THE 608 00:16:18,958 --> 00:16:20,308 FOUNDATIONAL THEORISTS, 609 00:16:20,308 --> 00:16:21,392 ARREDONDO AND 610 00:16:21,392 --> 00:16:23,311 COLLEAGUES THAT REALLY 611 00:16:23,311 --> 00:16:24,207 WERE THE FOUNDERS 612 00:16:24,207 --> 00:16:25,313 OF THIS MOVEMENT AND 613 00:16:25,313 --> 00:16:27,040 MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING. 614 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,316 BUT THE WAY THAT 615 00:16:28,316 --> 00:16:29,893 THIS IS TYPICALLY PUT 616 00:16:29,893 --> 00:16:31,319 TOGETHER IN SUCH A 617 00:16:31,319 --> 00:16:32,504 WAY THAT IT CAN 618 00:16:32,504 --> 00:16:34,322 ACTUALLY BE TRAINED IN 619 00:16:34,322 --> 00:16:39,327 MENTAL HEALTH CLASSES, GRADUATE 620 00:16:39,327 --> 00:16:42,239 TRAINING, IS 621 00:16:42,239 --> 00:16:47,335 THROUGH A TRIPARTITE 622 00:16:47,335 --> 00:16:48,794 NETWORK. THAT TRY 623 00:16:48,794 --> 00:16:50,338 PARTITE FRAMEWORK 624 00:16:50,338 --> 00:16:51,339 IS A PEDAGOGICAL THEORY THAT ALL 625 00:16:51,339 --> 00:16:52,902 LEARNING TAKES PLACE 626 00:16:52,902 --> 00:16:54,309 TOWARD COMPETENCE 627 00:16:54,309 --> 00:16:55,824 IN THESE THREE 628 00:16:55,824 --> 00:16:58,313 DOMAINS. THE AWARENESS 629 00:16:58,313 --> 00:16:59,314 DOMAIN, THIS INCLUDES ATTITUDES, 630 00:16:59,314 --> 00:17:00,845 BELIEVES, THE 631 00:17:00,845 --> 00:17:03,318 KNOWLEDGE DOMAIN AND 632 00:17:03,318 --> 00:17:05,034 LASTLY IN THE SKILLS 633 00:17:05,034 --> 00:17:06,321 DOMAIN. WITH A 634 00:17:06,321 --> 00:17:07,039 MULTI-CULTURAL 635 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:08,323 COMPETENCIES DID IS TOOK 636 00:17:08,323 --> 00:17:11,089 EACH OF THOSE DOMAINS 637 00:17:11,089 --> 00:17:13,328 THEN THEY MAPPED 638 00:17:13,328 --> 00:17:14,193 THEM ON TO THREE 639 00:17:14,193 --> 00:17:15,330 OVERARCHING DOMAINS. 640 00:17:15,330 --> 00:17:17,178 AND THESE INCLUDES 641 00:17:17,178 --> 00:17:19,334 COUNSELORS AWARENESS 642 00:17:19,334 --> 00:17:20,308 OF OWN CULTURE AND 643 00:17:20,308 --> 00:17:21,336 BIASES, COUNSELORS 644 00:17:21,336 --> 00:17:23,338 AWARENESS OF CLIENTS REVIEW, AND 645 00:17:23,338 --> 00:17:25,864 THIRDLY, A CULTURALLY 646 00:17:25,864 --> 00:17:27,308 APPROPRIATE 647 00:17:27,308 --> 00:17:29,128 INTERVENTION 648 00:17:29,128 --> 00:17:32,313 PROCESS TO WORK WITH 649 00:17:32,313 --> 00:17:32,827 CLIENTS. IT IS DOING 650 00:17:32,827 --> 00:17:33,314 THAT ALL THE WHILE 651 00:17:33,314 --> 00:17:34,215 BALANCING WHAT YOU 652 00:17:34,215 --> 00:17:35,316 SEE ON THE RIGHT SIDE 653 00:17:35,316 --> 00:17:37,318 OF THE SCREEN IN THOSE THREE 654 00:17:37,318 --> 00:17:40,321 CONCENTRATION CIRCLES, OF BASIC 655 00:17:40,321 --> 00:17:41,451 PSYCHOLOGICAL PARADIGM 656 00:17:41,451 --> 00:17:42,323 THAT THERE IS AN 657 00:17:42,323 --> 00:17:43,865 INDIVIDUAL LEVEL TO 658 00:17:43,865 --> 00:17:45,326 ALL PSYCHOLOGICAL 659 00:17:45,326 --> 00:17:46,277 PROCESSES, THERE IS 660 00:17:46,277 --> 00:17:47,328 A GROUP LEVEL TO ALL 661 00:17:47,328 --> 00:17:49,176 PSYCHOLOGICAL PROCESSES. 662 00:17:49,176 --> 00:17:50,331 AND THEN THERE 663 00:17:50,331 --> 00:17:51,413 ARE UNIVERSAL LEVELS 664 00:17:51,413 --> 00:17:52,333 TO PSYCHOLOGICAL 665 00:17:52,333 --> 00:17:55,336 PROCESSES LIKE THE ABILITY TO BE 666 00:17:55,336 --> 00:17:57,201 SELF-AWARE, USE 667 00:17:57,201 --> 00:18:00,308 SYMBOLS, ET CETERA. THAT 668 00:18:00,308 --> 00:18:01,228 ARE UNIQUE TO THE 669 00:18:01,228 --> 00:18:02,310 HOMOSAPIEN SPECIES. 670 00:18:02,310 --> 00:18:04,041 HOW THIS IS THEN 671 00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:06,314 BROKEN DOWN, I CAN'T 672 00:18:06,314 --> 00:18:07,341 GET INTO EACH ONE OF 673 00:18:07,341 --> 00:18:08,316 THE MULTI-CULTURAL 674 00:18:08,316 --> 00:18:11,319 COMPETENCIES BECAUSE THERE 675 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:13,682 ARE MANY OF THEM, 676 00:18:13,682 --> 00:18:16,324 BUT TO GIVE YOU AN 677 00:18:16,324 --> 00:18:17,866 EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS 678 00:18:17,866 --> 00:18:19,327 CUTS ACROSS THOSE 679 00:18:19,327 --> 00:18:21,329 THREE TRIPARTITE FRAME WORKS AND 680 00:18:21,329 --> 00:18:22,709 KNOWLEDGE DOMAINS 681 00:18:22,709 --> 00:18:24,332 IS LIKE THIS. SO IN 682 00:18:24,332 --> 00:18:25,533 THE FIRST DOMAIN 683 00:18:25,533 --> 00:18:27,335 ATTITUDES AN BELIEFS IT 684 00:18:27,335 --> 00:18:29,337 INCLUDES CULTURALLY 685 00:18:29,337 --> 00:18:31,339 SKILLED COUNSELORS 686 00:18:31,339 --> 00:18:31,784 BELIEVE CULTURAL 687 00:18:31,784 --> 00:18:32,340 SELF-AAWARENESS AND 688 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:33,600 SENSITIVITY TO 689 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,310 ONE EEN'S CULTURAL 690 00:18:35,310 --> 00:18:36,469 HERITAGE IS ESSENTIAL, 691 00:18:36,469 --> 00:18:37,312 THAT LEADS TO A 692 00:18:37,312 --> 00:18:38,254 KNOWLEDGE DOMAIN 693 00:18:38,254 --> 00:18:39,314 THAT A CULTURALLY 694 00:18:39,314 --> 00:18:40,365 SKILLED COUNSELOR HAS 695 00:18:40,365 --> 00:18:41,316 SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE 696 00:18:41,316 --> 00:18:42,967 ABOUT THEIR OWN RACIAL 697 00:18:42,967 --> 00:18:44,319 CULTURAL HERITAGE 698 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:45,957 AND HOW PERSONALLY 699 00:18:45,957 --> 00:18:47,322 PROFESSIONALLY 700 00:18:47,322 --> 00:18:47,898 AFFECTS DEFINITIONS 701 00:18:47,898 --> 00:18:48,323 AND BIASES OF 702 00:18:48,323 --> 00:18:49,471 NORMALITY AND 703 00:18:49,471 --> 00:18:51,326 ABNORMALITY MANY THE 704 00:18:51,326 --> 00:18:52,956 COUNSELING PROCESS. 705 00:18:52,956 --> 00:18:54,329 AND THEN THIRD, 706 00:18:54,329 --> 00:18:55,117 SKILLS. THESE 707 00:18:55,117 --> 00:18:56,331 INCLUDE THINGS LIKE 708 00:18:56,331 --> 00:18:57,682 CULTURALLY SKILLED 709 00:18:57,682 --> 00:18:59,334 COUNSEL LOGS SEEK OUT 710 00:18:59,334 --> 00:18:59,922 EDUCATION, 711 00:18:59,922 --> 00:19:01,336 CONSULTATION, TRAINING, 712 00:19:01,336 --> 00:19:03,338 EXPERIENCES TO IMPROVE THEIR 713 00:19:03,338 --> 00:19:04,780 UNDERSTANDING AND 714 00:19:04,780 --> 00:19:06,307 EFFECTIVENESS AND 715 00:19:06,307 --> 00:19:07,399 WORKING WITH 716 00:19:07,399 --> 00:19:09,310 CULTURALLY DIFFERENT 717 00:19:09,310 --> 00:19:13,314 POPULATIONS. OVER TIME AS 718 00:19:13,314 --> 00:19:14,396 MORE SCHOLARS LOOKED 719 00:19:14,396 --> 00:19:15,316 AT THE EMPIRICAL 720 00:19:15,316 --> 00:19:16,146 SIDE OF THE MULTI 721 00:19:16,146 --> 00:19:17,318 -CULTURAL COMPETENCIES, 722 00:19:17,318 --> 00:19:19,381 THEY NOTICED THAT 723 00:19:19,381 --> 00:19:21,322 THERE WERE SOME 724 00:19:21,322 --> 00:19:23,008 LIMITATIONS. ONE 725 00:19:23,008 --> 00:19:25,326 LIMITATION IT IS VERY 726 00:19:25,326 --> 00:19:26,327 DIFFICULT TO STUDY SUCH A BROAD 727 00:19:26,327 --> 00:19:27,328 OVERARCHING CONSTRUCT LIKE 728 00:19:27,328 --> 00:19:28,977 MULTI-CULTURAL 729 00:19:28,977 --> 00:19:31,332 COMPETENCE. SO THIS 730 00:19:31,332 --> 00:19:32,205 SHOWED UP IN WAYS 731 00:19:32,205 --> 00:19:33,334 PARTICULARLY IN TYING 732 00:19:33,334 --> 00:19:34,936 MULTI-CULTURAL 733 00:19:34,936 --> 00:19:37,338 TRAINING INTO CLIENT 734 00:19:37,338 --> 00:19:38,258 OUTCOMES. SO SOME 735 00:19:38,258 --> 00:19:39,340 SCHOLARS STARTED TO 736 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:41,425 WONDER IF THERE MIGHT 737 00:19:41,425 --> 00:19:43,311 BE A COMPLIMENTARY 738 00:19:43,311 --> 00:19:45,256 WAY THAT MIGHT BE 739 00:19:45,256 --> 00:19:47,315 A LITTLE BIT MORE 740 00:19:47,315 --> 00:19:48,235 FEASIBLE TO STUDY 741 00:19:48,235 --> 00:19:49,317 SCIENTIFICALLY. THE 742 00:19:49,317 --> 00:19:50,907 FRAMEWORK THAT HAS 743 00:19:50,907 --> 00:19:52,320 NOW BECOME VERY 744 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,324 POPULAR IN TRAINING CIRCLES IS 745 00:19:56,324 --> 00:19:58,326 MULTI-CULTURAL ORIENTATION. SO 746 00:19:58,326 --> 00:19:59,027 MULTI-CULTURAL 747 00:19:59,027 --> 00:20:00,328 ORIENTATION IS THOUGHT OF 748 00:20:00,328 --> 00:20:01,357 AS A COMPLIMENTARY 749 00:20:01,357 --> 00:20:02,330 FRAMEWORK TO THE 750 00:20:02,330 --> 00:20:03,531 MULTI-CULTURAL 751 00:20:03,531 --> 00:20:05,333 COMPETENCIES, AND IS 752 00:20:05,333 --> 00:20:07,283 CONSIDERED A WAY OF 753 00:20:07,283 --> 00:20:09,337 BEING AS OPPOSED TO 754 00:20:09,337 --> 00:20:10,960 A WAY OF DOING. THIS 755 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,340 -- THE FRAMEWORK 756 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:13,382 HAS THREE ELEMENTS 757 00:20:13,382 --> 00:20:14,308 ATTACHED TO IT. 758 00:20:14,308 --> 00:20:16,256 CULTURAL HUMILITY, 759 00:20:16,256 --> 00:20:18,312 THIS IS CONSIDERED 760 00:20:18,312 --> 00:20:19,390 THE ORGANIZING VIRTUE 761 00:20:19,390 --> 00:20:20,314 OF MULTI-CULTURAL 762 00:20:20,314 --> 00:20:21,816 ORIENTATION. IT IS 763 00:20:21,816 --> 00:20:23,317 MADE UP OF A HIGH 764 00:20:23,317 --> 00:20:24,036 DEGREE OF SELF 765 00:20:24,036 --> 00:20:25,319 -AWARENESS, PARTICULARLY 766 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,783 AROUND ONE'S LIMITATIONS 767 00:20:27,783 --> 00:20:29,323 AS A COUNSELOR 768 00:20:29,323 --> 00:20:30,506 TO CULTURALLY 769 00:20:30,506 --> 00:20:32,326 ENGAGE WITH DIVERSE 770 00:20:32,326 --> 00:20:33,828 POPULATION. THEN THE 771 00:20:33,828 --> 00:20:35,329 ABILITY TO MAINTAIN 772 00:20:35,329 --> 00:20:37,957 AN OPEN INTERPERSONAL 773 00:20:37,957 --> 00:20:40,334 STANCE AND POSTURE 774 00:20:40,334 --> 00:20:40,809 TOWARD THE CLIENT. 775 00:20:40,809 --> 00:20:41,335 THERE ARE TWO OTHER 776 00:20:41,335 --> 00:20:42,721 ELEMENTS, CULTURAL 777 00:20:42,721 --> 00:20:44,338 OPPORTUNITIES, SO IN 778 00:20:44,338 --> 00:20:44,865 THE MIDST OF WORKING 779 00:20:44,865 --> 00:20:45,339 WITH CLIENTS FROM 780 00:20:45,339 --> 00:20:46,862 CULTURALLY DIFFERENT 781 00:20:46,862 --> 00:20:48,309 BACKGROUNDS, THERE 782 00:20:48,309 --> 00:20:49,254 ARE OPPORTUNITIES 783 00:20:49,254 --> 00:20:50,311 TO ENGAGE WITH THE 784 00:20:50,311 --> 00:20:51,813 CLIENTS SURROUNDING 785 00:20:51,813 --> 00:20:53,314 THEIR CULTURE. AND 786 00:20:53,314 --> 00:20:54,732 THEN THIRDLY, THE 787 00:20:54,732 --> 00:20:56,317 DEGREE OF CULTURAL 788 00:20:56,317 --> 00:20:59,320 COMFORT ONE EXPERIENCES. THIS IS 789 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,322 CHARACTERIZED FROM A 790 00:21:01,322 --> 00:21:03,324 RANGE OF FEELING AT 791 00:21:03,324 --> 00:21:07,196 EASE, OPEN TO FEELING 792 00:21:07,196 --> 00:21:10,331 PUT OFF, WORRIED 793 00:21:10,331 --> 00:21:12,333 OR ANXIOUS ABOUT THE CLIENTS' 794 00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:13,875 CULTURE. ALL OF-SET 795 00:21:13,875 --> 00:21:15,336 THE STAGE FOR THE 796 00:21:15,336 --> 00:21:16,938 TERM THAT I AM 797 00:21:16,938 --> 00:21:19,340 FOCUSING ON, THAT IS 798 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:21,639 SPIRITUAL AN RELIGIOUS 799 00:21:21,639 --> 00:21:23,311 COMPETENCIES. 800 00:21:23,311 --> 00:21:24,466 WHILE THE MULTI 801 00:21:24,466 --> 00:21:26,314 -CULTURE COMPANIES WERE 802 00:21:26,314 --> 00:21:27,315 DEVELOPED, THERE WAS 803 00:21:27,315 --> 00:21:28,316 ALSO A SIMULTANEOUS 804 00:21:28,316 --> 00:21:29,659 PARALLEL MOVEMENT 805 00:21:29,659 --> 00:21:31,319 THAT HAPPENED WITHIN 806 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:32,320 THE ASSOCIATION THAT 807 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,321 I SERVED IN FOR THE 808 00:21:33,321 --> 00:21:35,037 LAST TEN YEARS, 809 00:21:35,037 --> 00:21:37,325 THE ASSOCIATION FOR 810 00:21:37,325 --> 00:21:37,800 SPIRITUALETHCAL AND 811 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,326 RELIGIOUS VALUES AND 812 00:21:38,326 --> 00:21:39,624 COUNSELING. WHAT 813 00:21:39,624 --> 00:21:41,329 WAS NOTED IS THAT IN 814 00:21:41,329 --> 00:21:42,830 THE MULTI-CULTURE 815 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:44,332 COMPETENCIES, AT 816 00:21:44,332 --> 00:21:45,438 LEAST WHEN THEY FIRST 817 00:21:45,438 --> 00:21:46,334 BEGAN, THEY WERE 818 00:21:46,334 --> 00:21:50,321 PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON 819 00:21:50,321 --> 00:21:54,308 RACE AND ETHNICITY. 820 00:21:54,308 --> 00:21:55,769 SO THIS LAST MANY 821 00:21:55,769 --> 00:21:57,311 SCHOLARS WONDERING 822 00:21:57,311 --> 00:21:59,689 HOW THIS MIGHT THEN 823 00:21:59,689 --> 00:22:02,316 RELATE TO THE DOMAIN 824 00:22:02,316 --> 00:22:07,321 OF NOT JUST SPIRITUALTY BUT ALSO 825 00:22:07,321 --> 00:22:09,574 SENSUALITY, GENDER 826 00:22:09,574 --> 00:22:12,326 IDENTITY. SO IN 1995, 827 00:22:12,326 --> 00:22:13,828 A SURVEY THEY CALLED 828 00:22:13,828 --> 00:22:15,329 FIRST ON COUNSELING 829 00:22:15,329 --> 00:22:16,831 AND SPIRITUALTY. OUT 830 00:22:16,831 --> 00:22:18,332 OF THAT SUMMIT THEY 831 00:22:18,332 --> 00:22:19,795 DEVELOPED THE FIRST 832 00:22:19,795 --> 00:22:21,335 SET OF COMPETENCIES 833 00:22:21,335 --> 00:22:23,838 THEN ENDORSED BY THE 834 00:22:23,838 --> 00:22:26,340 AMERICAN COUNSELING 835 00:22:26,340 --> 00:22:28,430 ASSOCIATION IN 1999. 836 00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:30,311 AFTER A PERIOD OF 837 00:22:30,311 --> 00:22:31,259 ROUGHLY TEN YEARS, 838 00:22:31,259 --> 00:22:32,313 THE ASERVIC LEADERS 839 00:22:32,313 --> 00:22:33,171 RECOGNIZED THAT 840 00:22:33,171 --> 00:22:34,315 THE ORIGINAL SET OF 841 00:22:34,315 --> 00:22:35,771 COMPETENCIES HAD 842 00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:37,318 SOME SIGNIFICANT 843 00:22:37,318 --> 00:22:39,259 SHORTCOMINGS AND 844 00:22:39,259 --> 00:22:41,322 LIMITATIONS, AND 845 00:22:41,322 --> 00:22:42,267 ACTUALLY CONVENED 846 00:22:42,267 --> 00:22:43,324 A SECOND SUMMIT ON 847 00:22:43,324 --> 00:22:45,898 SPIRITUALTY. IT IS 848 00:22:45,898 --> 00:22:48,329 FROM THAT SECOND 849 00:22:48,329 --> 00:22:50,331 SUMMIT WE NOW HAVE THE CURRENT 850 00:22:50,331 --> 00:22:51,155 COMPILATION OF 851 00:22:51,155 --> 00:22:52,333 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUAL 852 00:22:52,333 --> 00:22:56,320 COMPETENCIES FROM 853 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,308 ASERVIC. AND THE 854 00:23:00,308 --> 00:23:01,232 WEBSITE THERE WILL 855 00:23:01,232 --> 00:23:02,310 TAKE YOU TO THEM. TO 856 00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:03,311 SUMMARIZE, THAT I ARE ABOUT THE 857 00:23:03,311 --> 00:23:04,896 AWARENESS KNOWLEDGE 858 00:23:04,896 --> 00:23:06,314 AN SKILLS IN THE 859 00:23:06,314 --> 00:23:07,265 SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 860 00:23:07,265 --> 00:23:08,316 DOMAINS THAT SUPPORT 861 00:23:08,316 --> 00:23:10,524 CLINICIANS FROM 862 00:23:10,524 --> 00:23:13,321 SERVING CLIENTS IN 863 00:23:13,321 --> 00:23:14,784 VARIOUS TRADITIONS. 864 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:16,324 THEY CUTS ACROSS 13 865 00:23:16,324 --> 00:23:17,174 COMPETENCIES THAT 866 00:23:17,174 --> 00:23:18,326 COVER SIX DOMAINS FROM 867 00:23:18,326 --> 00:23:19,562 CULTURAL WORLD 868 00:23:19,562 --> 00:23:21,329 VIEW FROM THE WHOLE 869 00:23:21,329 --> 00:23:22,099 HELPING PROCESS 870 00:23:22,099 --> 00:23:23,331 DIAGNOSIS AN TREATMENT. 871 00:23:23,331 --> 00:23:24,665 AGAIN I CAN'T GO 872 00:23:24,665 --> 00:23:26,334 INTO ALL BUT I WILL 873 00:23:26,334 --> 00:23:28,105 GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES. 874 00:23:28,105 --> 00:23:29,337 SO CULTURAL AND 875 00:23:29,337 --> 00:23:30,127 WORLD VIEW. THE 876 00:23:30,127 --> 00:23:31,339 PROFESSIONAL COUNSELOR 877 00:23:31,339 --> 00:23:32,137 RECOGNIZES THAT 878 00:23:32,137 --> 00:23:33,307 CLIENTS BELIEFS ABOUT 879 00:23:33,307 --> 00:23:34,847 SIR SPIRITUALTY 880 00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:37,311 RELIGION ARE CENTRAL TO 881 00:23:37,311 --> 00:23:37,850 HIS OR HER WORLD VIEW 882 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:38,312 AND CAN INFLUENCE 883 00:23:38,312 --> 00:23:40,314 PSYCHOSOCIAL FUNCTION. IN 884 00:23:40,314 --> 00:23:42,181 EXAMPLE FROM ASSESSMENT 885 00:23:42,181 --> 00:23:43,317 COMPETENCIES. 886 00:23:43,317 --> 00:23:44,894 DURING THE INTAKE AND 887 00:23:44,894 --> 00:23:46,320 ASSESSMENT PROCESS 888 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:46,753 THE PROFESSIONAL 889 00:23:46,753 --> 00:23:47,321 COUNSELOR STRIVES TO 890 00:23:47,321 --> 00:23:49,323 UNDERSTAND THE CLIENT SPIRITUAL 891 00:23:49,323 --> 00:23:51,325 RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE GATERRING 892 00:23:51,325 --> 00:23:52,221 INFORMATION ABOUT 893 00:23:52,221 --> 00:23:53,327 THE CLIENTS OR OTHER 894 00:23:53,327 --> 00:23:55,730 SOURCES. AND THIRDLY, 895 00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:57,331 DIAGNOSIS AND 896 00:23:57,331 --> 00:23:58,576 TREATMENT. PROFESSIONAL 897 00:23:58,576 --> 00:23:59,333 COUNSELOR CAN 898 00:23:59,333 --> 00:24:00,384 THERAPEUTICALLY APPLY 899 00:24:00,384 --> 00:24:01,335 THEORY AND CURRENT 900 00:24:01,335 --> 00:24:02,454 RESEARCH SUPPORTING 901 00:24:02,454 --> 00:24:03,337 INCLUSION OF A 902 00:24:03,337 --> 00:24:07,308 CLIENT SPIRITUAL OR RELIGIOUS 903 00:24:07,308 --> 00:24:08,525 PERSPECTIVE AND 904 00:24:08,525 --> 00:24:10,311 PRACTICES. SINCE THAT 905 00:24:10,311 --> 00:24:11,887 TIME, THERE HAVE BEEN 906 00:24:11,887 --> 00:24:13,314 OTHER COMPETENCIES 907 00:24:13,314 --> 00:24:14,138 THAT HAVE ALSO 908 00:24:14,138 --> 00:24:15,316 SHOWN UP ACROSS OUR 909 00:24:15,316 --> 00:24:16,939 DISCIPLINES. I WON'T 910 00:24:16,939 --> 00:24:18,319 BE ABLE TO COVER 911 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:19,628 ALL THE EXAMPLES, 912 00:24:19,628 --> 00:24:21,322 BUT I WANT TO MENTION 913 00:24:21,322 --> 00:24:23,177 SIMILAR COMPETENCIES, 914 00:24:23,177 --> 00:24:24,325 SHOWED UP IN 915 00:24:24,325 --> 00:24:26,180 MEDICINE, PSYCHIATRY, 916 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:27,328 MARRIAGE AND 917 00:24:27,328 --> 00:24:28,791 FAMILY THERAPY, AND 918 00:24:28,791 --> 00:24:30,331 WHAT YOU SEE NOW IN 919 00:24:30,331 --> 00:24:36,337 FRONT OF YOU COMPETENCIES FOR 920 00:24:36,337 --> 00:24:39,340 PSYCHOLOGISTS. SO OUR COLLEAGUE 921 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:41,325 (INDISCERNIBLE) AND 922 00:24:41,325 --> 00:24:43,311 OTHERS CONDUCTED A 923 00:24:43,311 --> 00:24:43,997 DELPHI STUDY 924 00:24:43,997 --> 00:24:45,313 PUBBISHED WILL 2013 -- 925 00:24:45,313 --> 00:24:47,315 PABULARRED IN 2013 LOOKING AT -- 926 00:24:47,315 --> 00:24:50,318 PUBLISHED IN 2013 LOOKING AT 184 927 00:24:50,318 --> 00:24:52,320 PSYCHOLOGIST VIEWS 928 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,322 WHAT IS SPIRITUAL 929 00:24:54,322 --> 00:24:55,981 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY. 930 00:24:55,981 --> 00:24:57,325 FROM THAT STUDY, 931 00:24:57,325 --> 00:24:59,327 THEY WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY 16 932 00:24:59,327 --> 00:25:01,758 COMPETENCIES. AND 933 00:25:01,758 --> 00:25:04,332 AGAIN, I CAN'T GO 934 00:25:04,332 --> 00:25:05,333 THROUGH ALL BUT HERE 935 00:25:05,333 --> 00:25:06,334 ARE SOME EXAMPLES. 936 00:25:06,334 --> 00:25:07,018 PSYCHOLOGISTS 937 00:25:07,018 --> 00:25:08,336 DEMONSTRATE APPRECIATION 938 00:25:08,336 --> 00:25:11,339 RESPECT, SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 939 00:25:11,339 --> 00:25:12,490 PERSPECTIVES KNOWLEDGE, 940 00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:13,341 EMPATHY RESPECT, 941 00:25:13,341 --> 00:25:14,032 PSYCHOLOGISTS 942 00:25:14,032 --> 00:25:15,309 RECOGNIZE THE SPIRITUAL 943 00:25:15,309 --> 00:25:16,098 AND RELIGIOUS 944 00:25:16,098 --> 00:25:17,311 BELIEFS EXPERIENCES 945 00:25:17,311 --> 00:25:18,259 DEVELOP AND CHANGE 946 00:25:18,259 --> 00:25:19,313 OVER THE LIFE SPAN. 947 00:25:19,313 --> 00:25:20,228 THIRDLY, SKILLS. 948 00:25:20,228 --> 00:25:21,315 PSYCHOLOGISTS HELP 949 00:25:21,315 --> 00:25:24,318 CLIENTS EXPLORE AND ACCESS THEIR 950 00:25:24,318 --> 00:25:26,153 SPIRITUAL OR RELIGIOUS 951 00:25:26,153 --> 00:25:27,321 STRENGTHS AND 952 00:25:27,321 --> 00:25:29,223 RESOURCES. SO THESE 953 00:25:29,223 --> 00:25:31,325 ARE THE MAJOR SHIFTS 954 00:25:31,325 --> 00:25:32,198 THAT HAD HAPPENED 955 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:33,327 OVER TIME BUT I THINK 956 00:25:33,327 --> 00:25:35,224 IT IS IMPORTANT TO 957 00:25:35,224 --> 00:25:37,331 ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT 958 00:25:37,331 --> 00:25:38,382 WHILE THIS WAS 959 00:25:38,382 --> 00:25:40,334 HAPPENING, THERE ARE SOME 960 00:25:40,334 --> 00:25:42,901 MAJOR MOVEMENTS THAT 961 00:25:42,901 --> 00:25:45,339 TOOK PLACE OVERALL 962 00:25:45,339 --> 00:25:47,195 IN LOOKING AT SPIRITUALTY 963 00:25:47,195 --> 00:25:48,309 AND HEALTH. SO 964 00:25:48,309 --> 00:25:49,335 IN OTHER WORDS IT IS 965 00:25:49,335 --> 00:25:50,311 NOT ENOUGH JUST TO 966 00:25:50,311 --> 00:25:52,313 SAY THAT BECAUSE CLIENTS MAYBE 967 00:25:52,313 --> 00:25:53,530 INTERESTED IN A 968 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:55,316 GIVEN TOPIC THAT THIS 969 00:25:55,316 --> 00:25:57,010 THEN BECOMES SOMETHING 970 00:25:57,010 --> 00:25:58,319 THAT IS RELEVANT 971 00:25:58,319 --> 00:25:59,209 TO PSYCHOLOGICAL 972 00:25:59,209 --> 00:26:00,321 CARE. BUT THERE ARE 973 00:26:00,321 --> 00:26:02,323 VERY GOOD REASONS WHY SPIRITUAL 974 00:26:02,323 --> 00:26:03,903 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCE 975 00:26:03,903 --> 00:26:05,326 TOOK ON THE SHAPE 976 00:26:05,326 --> 00:26:07,174 THAT IT DID, WHILE 977 00:26:07,174 --> 00:26:09,330 OTHER MOVEMENTS WERE 978 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:10,304 TAKING PLACE 979 00:26:10,304 --> 00:26:12,333 EMPIRICALLY SPEAKING. SO 980 00:26:12,333 --> 00:26:13,191 WHAT YOU SEE IN 981 00:26:13,191 --> 00:26:14,335 FRONT OF YOU IS THE 982 00:26:14,335 --> 00:26:15,836 CURRENT BREAKDOWN 983 00:26:15,836 --> 00:26:17,338 OF THE RELIGIOUS 984 00:26:17,338 --> 00:26:18,556 LANDSCAPE IN THE 985 00:26:18,556 --> 00:26:20,307 UNITED STATES. A FEW 986 00:26:20,307 --> 00:26:22,361 THINGS THAT JUMP OUT 987 00:26:22,361 --> 00:26:24,311 TO YOU AS YOU LOOK 988 00:26:24,311 --> 00:26:25,339 AT THAT LIST, 989 00:26:25,339 --> 00:26:27,314 APPROXIMATELY 70% OF THE 990 00:26:27,314 --> 00:26:28,601 U.S. POPULATION 991 00:26:28,601 --> 00:26:30,317 IDENTIFIES WITH ONE 992 00:26:30,317 --> 00:26:33,320 MAJOR WORLD RELIGION. 993 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,322 ADDITIONALLY, 994 00:26:35,322 --> 00:26:36,666 ABOUT 30% OF U.S. 995 00:26:36,666 --> 00:26:38,325 ADULTS BELONG TO THE 996 00:26:38,325 --> 00:26:40,250 RELIGIOUSLY UNAFFILIATED. 997 00:26:40,250 --> 00:26:41,328 THIS INCLUDES 998 00:26:41,328 --> 00:26:43,699 ATHEISTS, AGNOSTIC 999 00:26:43,699 --> 00:26:46,333 AND A CATEGORY THAT 1000 00:26:46,333 --> 00:26:47,284 MAKES UP 20% OF THE 1001 00:26:47,284 --> 00:26:48,335 U.S. POPULATION, THE 1002 00:26:48,335 --> 00:26:50,782 NOTHING IN PARTICULAR. 1003 00:26:50,782 --> 00:26:52,339 AND I WANT TO 1004 00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:53,746 JUST TAKE A MOMENT 1005 00:26:53,746 --> 00:26:55,309 AND REFLECT ON THAT 1006 00:26:55,309 --> 00:26:57,041 DEMOGRAPHIC THAT 1007 00:26:57,041 --> 00:26:59,313 YOU SEE IN FRONTS OF 1008 00:26:59,313 --> 00:27:01,040 YOU. RELIGIOUS IDENTITY 1009 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,316 CAPTURES IN PART 1010 00:27:02,316 --> 00:27:04,292 SOME OF THE PSYCHOLOGICAL 1011 00:27:04,292 --> 00:27:05,319 DYNAMICS AND 1012 00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:08,322 WHY THAT MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO 1013 00:27:08,322 --> 00:27:09,864 PSYCHOLOGICAL CARE. 1014 00:27:09,864 --> 00:27:11,325 BUT IF YOU REALLY 1015 00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:12,417 START TO LOOK DEEP 1016 00:27:12,417 --> 00:27:13,327 INTO RELIGIOUS 1017 00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:16,032 IDENTITY, IT BECOMES 1018 00:27:16,032 --> 00:27:18,332 VERY COMPLICATED 1019 00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:20,334 VERY QUICKLY. SCOTT 1020 00:27:20,334 --> 00:27:22,336 RICHARDS REFLECTED 1021 00:27:22,336 --> 00:27:23,838 ON THIS DYNAMIC AND 1022 00:27:23,838 --> 00:27:25,339 SAID THAT ONCE YOU 1023 00:27:25,339 --> 00:27:26,105 START TO STUDY 1024 00:27:26,105 --> 00:27:27,308 CLIENTS RELIGIOUS AND 1025 00:27:27,308 --> 00:27:29,310 SPIRITUAL PROCESSES, 1026 00:27:29,310 --> 00:27:31,312 YOU QUICKLY REALIZE 1027 00:27:31,312 --> 00:27:33,113 THIS IS ONE OF THE 1028 00:27:33,113 --> 00:27:35,316 MOST DIVERSE AREAS OF 1029 00:27:35,316 --> 00:27:37,818 HUMAN PSYCHOLOGY. SO 1030 00:27:37,818 --> 00:27:40,321 IF YOU LOOK AT THAT 1031 00:27:40,321 --> 00:27:42,271 LIST OF REPRESENTED 1032 00:27:42,271 --> 00:27:44,325 TRADITIONS, YOU CAN 1033 00:27:44,325 --> 00:27:45,984 RECOGNIZE THAT THOUGH 1034 00:27:45,984 --> 00:27:47,328 CLIENTS FROM ONE 1035 00:27:47,328 --> 00:27:49,330 TRADITION MAY IDENTIFY WITH ONE 1036 00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:51,569 IDENTITY, WHETHER 1037 00:27:51,569 --> 00:27:54,335 PROTESTANT CATHOLIC, 1038 00:27:54,335 --> 00:27:54,810 ET CETERA, THEY MAY 1039 00:27:54,810 --> 00:27:55,336 NOT EMBRACE THE SAME 1040 00:27:55,336 --> 00:27:56,661 TEACHINGS, THEY 1041 00:27:56,661 --> 00:27:58,339 MAY HAVE DIFFERENT 1042 00:27:58,339 --> 00:28:00,884 METAPHYSICAL PERSPECTIVES 1043 00:28:00,884 --> 00:28:02,309 IN WHICH THEY 1044 00:28:02,309 --> 00:28:04,048 BASE THEIR PERSPECTIVE 1045 00:28:04,048 --> 00:28:05,312 ON THE RELIGION 1046 00:28:05,312 --> 00:28:06,263 AT HOME. SO ONCE WE 1047 00:28:06,263 --> 00:28:07,314 START TO LOOK DEEPLY 1048 00:28:07,314 --> 00:28:08,789 INTO RELIGIOUS 1049 00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:11,318 DEMOGRAPHICS LIKE THIS, 1050 00:28:11,318 --> 00:28:14,321 WE QUICKLY REALIZE THAT ONE IS A 1051 00:28:14,321 --> 00:28:16,702 COMPLICATED LANDSCAPE, 1052 00:28:16,702 --> 00:28:18,325 AND TWO, IT IS 1053 00:28:18,325 --> 00:28:19,352 VERY DYNAMIC. SO THE 1054 00:28:19,352 --> 00:28:20,327 20% THAT BELONG TO 1055 00:28:20,327 --> 00:28:21,908 CATEGORY CALLED 1056 00:28:21,908 --> 00:28:24,331 NOTHING IN PARTICULAR, 1057 00:28:24,331 --> 00:28:25,197 ARE MADE UP OF A 1058 00:28:25,197 --> 00:28:26,333 VERY DIVERSE BODY OF 1059 00:28:26,333 --> 00:28:27,835 PERSPECTIVES. THESE 1060 00:28:27,835 --> 00:28:29,336 CAN INCLUDE PEOPLE 1061 00:28:29,336 --> 00:28:30,876 WHO ARE DECONVERTING 1062 00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:32,339 FROM RELIGION, WHO 1063 00:28:32,339 --> 00:28:32,693 MAY HAVE HAD 1064 00:28:32,693 --> 00:28:33,340 RELIGIOUS TRAUMA THAT 1065 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:34,374 CAUSED DI CONVERSION, 1066 00:28:34,374 --> 00:28:35,309 IT COULD BE PEOPLE 1067 00:28:35,309 --> 00:28:36,768 WHO ARE RAISED IN 1068 00:28:36,768 --> 00:28:38,312 SPIRITUAL BUT NOT 1069 00:28:38,312 --> 00:28:39,663 RELIGIOUS CONTEXT. 1070 00:28:39,663 --> 00:28:41,315 IT COULD ALSO INCLUDE 1071 00:28:41,315 --> 00:28:42,198 PEOPLE WHO HAVE 1072 00:28:42,198 --> 00:28:43,317 HYBRID IDENTITIES, 1073 00:28:43,317 --> 00:28:44,395 IDENTIFY AS BUDDHISTS 1074 00:28:44,395 --> 00:28:45,319 AND CATHOLICS FOR 1075 00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:46,644 INSTANCE AT THE 1076 00:28:46,644 --> 00:28:48,322 SAME TIME. SO THIS 1077 00:28:48,322 --> 00:28:50,224 PICTURE, IT IS VERY 1078 00:28:50,224 --> 00:28:52,326 COMPLICATED. WITNESS 1079 00:28:52,326 --> 00:28:53,274 YOU START TO LOOSE 1080 00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:54,328 LOOK AT SOME OF THE 1081 00:28:54,328 --> 00:28:55,358 WORK DONE ON 1082 00:28:55,358 --> 00:28:57,331 SPIRITUALTY AND HEALTH 1083 00:28:57,331 --> 00:28:58,630 THERE, IS REALLY 1084 00:28:58,630 --> 00:29:00,334 IMPORTANT TAKE AWAYS 1085 00:29:00,334 --> 00:29:00,935 THAT INFORM RELIGIOUS 1086 00:29:00,935 --> 00:29:01,335 AND SPIRITUAL 1087 00:29:01,335 --> 00:29:02,567 COMPETENCE. SOME 1088 00:29:02,567 --> 00:29:04,338 SPEAKERS THAT YOU HAVE 1089 00:29:04,338 --> 00:29:06,891 HAD BE PART OF YOUR 1090 00:29:06,891 --> 00:29:09,310 GROUP IN THE PAST 1091 00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:10,653 LIKE KOENIG, HAVE 1092 00:29:10,653 --> 00:29:12,313 BEEN LOOKING CLOSELY 1093 00:29:12,313 --> 00:29:13,228 AT THESE FIGURES 1094 00:29:13,228 --> 00:29:14,315 OF HOW SPIRITUALTY 1095 00:29:14,315 --> 00:29:15,158 HEALTH RELATE TO 1096 00:29:15,158 --> 00:29:16,317 EACH OTHER AND BY AND 1097 00:29:16,317 --> 00:29:17,934 LARGE THEY FOUND THAT 1098 00:29:17,934 --> 00:29:19,320 THERE TENDS TO BE 1099 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,578 A POSITIVE CORRELATION 1100 00:29:21,578 --> 00:29:23,324 BETWEEN THE TWO, 1101 00:29:23,324 --> 00:29:24,383 NOT IN EVERY 1102 00:29:24,383 --> 00:29:26,327 INSTANCE, MINORITY OF 1103 00:29:26,327 --> 00:29:27,301 STUDIES AND CASES, 1104 00:29:27,301 --> 00:29:28,329 THERE ARE NEGATIVE 1105 00:29:28,329 --> 00:29:30,074 CORRELATIONS. BUT 1106 00:29:30,074 --> 00:29:32,333 THE MAJORITY OF THESE 1107 00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:34,435 STUDIES TEND TO POINT 1108 00:29:34,435 --> 00:29:36,337 TOWARDS A POSITIVE 1109 00:29:36,337 --> 00:29:40,307 ASSOCIATION BETWEEN SPIRITUALTY, 1110 00:29:40,307 --> 00:29:42,127 RELIGIOUSTY AND 1111 00:29:42,127 --> 00:29:44,311 HEALTH METRICS. A 1112 00:29:44,311 --> 00:29:45,729 COLLEAGUE OF MINE 1113 00:29:45,729 --> 00:29:47,314 RALPH PIEDMONT HAS 1114 00:29:47,314 --> 00:29:48,341 DONE ENORMOUS AMOUNT 1115 00:29:48,341 --> 00:29:49,316 OF WORK LOOKING AT 1116 00:29:49,316 --> 00:29:50,743 PERSONALITY AND HOW 1117 00:29:50,743 --> 00:29:52,319 IT RELATES TO HEALTH 1118 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,886 AND MOW THAT RELATES 1119 00:29:54,886 --> 00:29:57,324 TO SPIRITUALTY AND 1120 00:29:57,324 --> 00:29:59,063 RELIGIOUSTY. RALPH'S 1121 00:29:59,063 --> 00:30:00,327 WORK FOUND THAT 1122 00:30:00,327 --> 00:30:03,330 SPIRITUALTY IS ITS OWN UNIQUE 1123 00:30:03,330 --> 00:30:03,978 PERSONALITY 1124 00:30:03,978 --> 00:30:05,332 DIMENSION, SOME UNIQUE 1125 00:30:05,332 --> 00:30:08,027 SOURCE OF MOTIVATION, 1126 00:30:08,027 --> 00:30:10,337 THAT'S NOT BETTER 1127 00:30:10,337 --> 00:30:11,717 EXPLAINED BY YOUR 1128 00:30:11,717 --> 00:30:13,340 TENDENCY TO HAVE AN 1129 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:14,308 OPEN PERSONALITY TOWARD NOVEL 1130 00:30:14,308 --> 00:30:15,572 EXPERIENCES, FOR 1131 00:30:15,572 --> 00:30:17,311 INSTANCE. FURTHERMORE 1132 00:30:17,311 --> 00:30:18,912 WHAT RALPH HAS 1133 00:30:18,912 --> 00:30:21,315 FOUND IS THAT OVER A 1134 00:30:21,315 --> 00:30:22,816 SERIES OF STUDIES 1135 00:30:22,816 --> 00:30:24,318 OVER THE PAST 25 1136 00:30:24,318 --> 00:30:26,236 YEARS, THAT SPIRITUALTY 1137 00:30:26,236 --> 00:30:27,321 CONSISTENTLY 1138 00:30:27,321 --> 00:30:28,293 PREDICTS POSITIVE 1139 00:30:28,293 --> 00:30:29,323 EMOTION, MEANING, 1140 00:30:29,323 --> 00:30:30,940 PURPOSE, GENERAL WELL 1141 00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:32,326 BEING, AND IF YOU 1142 00:30:32,326 --> 00:30:33,706 JUST LOOK AT THAT 1143 00:30:33,706 --> 00:30:35,329 LIST OF CONSTRUCTS, 1144 00:30:35,329 --> 00:30:36,383 THESE ARE ALL THINGS 1145 00:30:36,383 --> 00:30:37,331 THAT ARE RELEVANT 1146 00:30:37,331 --> 00:30:39,965 TO MENTAL HEALTH AND 1147 00:30:39,965 --> 00:30:42,336 WELL BEING. THE 1148 00:30:42,336 --> 00:30:43,231 SAME IS ALSO TRUE 1149 00:30:43,231 --> 00:30:44,338 OF RELIGIOUSTY, WHAT 1150 00:30:44,338 --> 00:30:46,143 RALPH HAS FOUND 1151 00:30:46,143 --> 00:30:48,308 IS RELIGIOUSTY IS 1152 00:30:48,308 --> 00:30:49,810 PRIMARILY NEGATIVELY 1153 00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:51,311 RELATED TO NEGATIVE 1154 00:30:51,311 --> 00:30:52,284 AFFECT MEANING IT 1155 00:30:52,284 --> 00:30:53,313 HAS A STABILIZING 1156 00:30:53,313 --> 00:30:54,858 CAPACITY AS PEOPLE 1157 00:30:54,858 --> 00:30:56,316 GO THROUGH THEIR 1158 00:30:56,316 --> 00:30:58,424 RITUALS, THEY GO 1159 00:30:58,424 --> 00:31:01,321 THROUGH THE PROCESSES 1160 00:31:01,321 --> 00:31:01,732 THAT ARE PART OF 1161 00:31:01,732 --> 00:31:02,322 THEIR RELIGION THAT IS 1162 00:31:02,322 --> 00:31:03,865 STABILIZES NEGATIVE 1163 00:31:03,865 --> 00:31:05,325 AFFECT IS WHAT IT 1164 00:31:05,325 --> 00:31:07,327 SEEMS TO INDICATE. AND THIS IS 1165 00:31:07,327 --> 00:31:08,354 GENERALIZABLE ACROSS 1166 00:31:08,354 --> 00:31:09,329 RELIGIOUS IDENTITY 1167 00:31:09,329 --> 00:31:11,331 SO IT IS NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE 1168 00:31:11,331 --> 00:31:13,439 PARTICULAR RELIGIOUS 1169 00:31:13,439 --> 00:31:15,335 GROUP, THIS SEEMS 1170 00:31:15,335 --> 00:31:16,920 TO BE A COMMONALITY 1171 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,338 THAT CUTS ACROSS 1172 00:31:18,338 --> 00:31:19,863 DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS 1173 00:31:19,863 --> 00:31:21,308 IDENTITIES. WHICH 1174 00:31:21,308 --> 00:31:23,310 WOULD SUGGEST THERE IS A THIRD 1175 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:26,070 EXPLAINING FACTOR 1176 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:29,316 OF WHY WILL IS THIS 1177 00:31:29,316 --> 00:31:30,723 CONNECTION TO 1178 00:31:30,723 --> 00:31:33,320 SPIRITUALTY AND HEALTH. 1179 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,706 WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN 1180 00:31:34,706 --> 00:31:36,323 THE ROAD AND COME TO 1181 00:31:36,323 --> 00:31:38,268 THE PRESENT, WHAT 1182 00:31:38,268 --> 00:31:40,327 WE HAVE FOUND TOO 1183 00:31:40,327 --> 00:31:40,916 LOOKING AT RELIGIOUS 1184 00:31:40,916 --> 00:31:41,328 AND SPIRITUAL 1185 00:31:41,328 --> 00:31:46,333 INTERVENTIONS IN COUNSELING AND 1186 00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:47,388 PSYCHOTHERAPY 1187 00:31:47,388 --> 00:31:49,336 SPECIFICALLY, THESE ARE 1188 00:31:49,336 --> 00:31:50,366 RANDOMIZED CONTROL 1189 00:31:50,366 --> 00:31:51,338 TRIALS, THAT ARE 1190 00:31:51,338 --> 00:31:53,120 COMPARING TRADITIONAL 1191 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,308 PSYCHOTHERAPY 1192 00:31:54,308 --> 00:31:55,142 STRATEGIES LIKE 1193 00:31:55,142 --> 00:31:56,310 COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL 1194 00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:58,201 THERAPY, AND THEN 1195 00:31:58,201 --> 00:32:00,314 THEY ARE COMPARING 1196 00:32:00,314 --> 00:32:04,318 THEIR AFFECTS TO ACCOMMODATING 1197 00:32:04,318 --> 00:32:06,474 THERAPIES. SO IN SOME 1198 00:32:06,474 --> 00:32:08,322 OF THESE STUDIES, 1199 00:32:08,322 --> 00:32:09,173 WHAT IS DONE IS A 1200 00:32:09,173 --> 00:32:10,324 COMPARABLE TRADITIONAL 1201 00:32:10,324 --> 00:32:11,941 TREATMENT CDT IS THEN 1202 00:32:11,941 --> 00:32:13,327 ACCOMMODATED TO A 1203 00:32:13,327 --> 00:32:16,830 PARTICULAR RELIGION 1204 00:32:16,830 --> 00:32:20,334 LIKE CHRISTIAN CBT 1205 00:32:20,334 --> 00:32:21,363 SO THE CONCEPTS OF 1206 00:32:21,363 --> 00:32:22,336 CHRISTIANITY ARE 1207 00:32:22,336 --> 00:32:23,837 INFUSED IN THE MAIN 1208 00:32:23,837 --> 00:32:25,339 TREATMENT. LOOKING 1209 00:32:25,339 --> 00:32:27,144 AT STUDIES OVER 1210 00:32:27,144 --> 00:32:29,309 97 AN DOCUMENTIZE 1211 00:32:29,309 --> 00:32:30,511 CONTROL TRIALS INCLUDING 1212 00:32:30,511 --> 00:32:31,311 7,000 PATIENTS, 1213 00:32:31,311 --> 00:32:33,159 JOSH HOOK AND COLLEAGUES 1214 00:32:33,159 --> 00:32:34,314 HAVE FOUND NOT 1215 00:32:34,314 --> 00:32:36,316 ONLY ARE SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUSLY 1216 00:32:36,316 --> 00:32:37,432 ACCOMMODATIVE 1217 00:32:37,432 --> 00:32:39,319 THERAPIES ON PAR WITH 1218 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:40,320 TRADITIONAL 1219 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,322 THERAPIES IN TERMS OF 1220 00:32:42,322 --> 00:32:45,325 REDUCING THINGS LIKE DEPRESSION, 1221 00:32:45,325 --> 00:32:47,276 ANXIETY, ET CETERA, 1222 00:32:47,276 --> 00:32:49,329 BUT THEY ALSO BOOST 1223 00:32:49,329 --> 00:32:51,437 SPIRITUAL WELL BEING 1224 00:32:51,437 --> 00:32:53,333 WHICH TRADITIONAL 1225 00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:56,652 PSYCHOTHERAPIES DON'T 1226 00:32:56,652 --> 00:32:59,339 FOCUS EXPLICITLY 1227 00:32:59,339 --> 00:33:01,495 ON. IT IS ALSO BEEN 1228 00:33:01,495 --> 00:33:03,310 FOUND OVER TIME 1229 00:33:03,310 --> 00:33:04,696 HERBERT BENSON WAS 1230 00:33:04,696 --> 00:33:06,313 THE FIRST TO STUMBLE 1231 00:33:06,313 --> 00:33:08,204 UPON THIS FINDING 1232 00:33:08,204 --> 00:33:10,317 BUT IT IS ALSO NOW 1233 00:33:10,317 --> 00:33:12,219 BEEN TESTED IN IN A 1234 00:33:12,219 --> 00:33:14,321 VARIETY OF CONTEXTS, 1235 00:33:14,321 --> 00:33:15,743 THAT WHEN A CLIENT 1236 00:33:15,743 --> 00:33:17,324 OR RESEARCH SUBJECT 1237 00:33:17,324 --> 00:33:19,326 COMBINES A INTERVENTION LIKE A 1238 00:33:19,326 --> 00:33:23,330 FORGIVENESS INTERVENTION, OR A 1239 00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:24,629 MEDITATION INTERVENTION, 1240 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:25,332 WHEN THAT IS 1241 00:33:25,332 --> 00:33:29,336 COMBINED WITH HIGH SCORES ON 1242 00:33:29,336 --> 00:33:30,619 SPIRITUALTY, RELIGIOUSTY, 1243 00:33:30,619 --> 00:33:31,338 THAT IT HAS A 1244 00:33:31,338 --> 00:33:32,339 MODERATING AFFECT OR 1245 00:33:32,339 --> 00:33:33,340 POTENTIATING EFFECT 1246 00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:34,543 FOR THAT INTERVENTION. 1247 00:33:34,543 --> 00:33:35,309 SO PEOPLE FOR 1248 00:33:35,309 --> 00:33:36,885 INSTANCE WHO MEDITATE 1249 00:33:36,885 --> 00:33:38,312 REGULARLY BUT THEY 1250 00:33:38,312 --> 00:33:39,544 ALSO ENGAGE IN A 1251 00:33:39,544 --> 00:33:41,315 RELIGIOUS PRACTICE, OR 1252 00:33:41,315 --> 00:33:43,460 THEY ALSO SCORE 1253 00:33:43,460 --> 00:33:46,320 HIGH ON A SPIRITUAL 1254 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:46,775 TRANSDEN SENSE 1255 00:33:46,775 --> 00:33:47,321 INDEX WILL REPORT 1256 00:33:47,321 --> 00:33:50,087 LOWER SCORES ON 1257 00:33:50,087 --> 00:33:54,328 DEPRESSION AS COMPARED 1258 00:33:54,328 --> 00:33:55,829 TO PEOPLE WHO SCORE 1259 00:33:55,829 --> 00:33:57,331 LOWER ON SPIRITUAL 1260 00:33:57,331 --> 00:33:59,272 TRANSSEN DENSE, 1261 00:33:59,272 --> 00:34:01,335 FOR INSTANCE, IT 1262 00:34:01,335 --> 00:34:03,174 IS ALSO LOOKED AT 1263 00:34:03,174 --> 00:34:05,339 FROM THE CONTEXT OF 1264 00:34:05,339 --> 00:34:06,268 STRUGGLES AND CRY 1265 00:34:06,268 --> 00:34:07,307 CEASE. THERE'S 32 1266 00:34:07,307 --> 00:34:08,399 LONGITUDINAL 1267 00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,310 STUDIES THAT LOOK AT 1268 00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:12,312 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUAL 1269 00:34:12,312 --> 00:34:14,314 STRAGGINGS AND HOW 1270 00:34:14,314 --> 00:34:16,154 THEY MAY UNIQUELY 1271 00:34:16,154 --> 00:34:18,318 PREDICT THINGS LIKE 1272 00:34:18,318 --> 00:34:19,948 DEPRESSION, TRAUMA, 1273 00:34:19,948 --> 00:34:21,321 ET CETERA. WHAT 1274 00:34:21,321 --> 00:34:24,324 THESE STUDIES HAVE FOUND IS THAT 1275 00:34:24,324 --> 00:34:26,627 RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL 1276 00:34:26,627 --> 00:34:28,328 STRUGGLES HAVE A 1277 00:34:28,328 --> 00:34:28,776 UNIQUE PATHWAY OF 1278 00:34:28,776 --> 00:34:29,329 DISTRESS OR THEY CAN 1279 00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:30,792 EXACERBATE EXISTING 1280 00:34:30,792 --> 00:34:32,332 TRAUMAS THAT PEOPLE 1281 00:34:32,332 --> 00:34:33,879 HAVE EXPERIENCED. 1282 00:34:33,879 --> 00:34:35,335 FURTHERMORE, IF 1283 00:34:35,335 --> 00:34:37,260 THESE SPIRITUAL 1284 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:40,340 RELIGIOUS STRUGGLES ARE 1285 00:34:40,340 --> 00:34:41,974 NOT DIRECTLY ADDRESSED 1286 00:34:41,974 --> 00:34:43,310 AND REMAIN ACTIVE 1287 00:34:43,310 --> 00:34:45,235 IT CAN ACTUALLY 1288 00:34:45,235 --> 00:34:48,315 SABOTAGE THE PROCESS OF 1289 00:34:48,315 --> 00:34:52,319 HEALING FOR PEOPLE. SO FROM THE 1290 00:34:52,319 --> 00:34:55,322 PERSPECTIVE OF RESOURCES FROM 1291 00:34:55,322 --> 00:34:55,691 PERSPECTIVE OF 1292 00:34:55,691 --> 00:34:56,323 STRUGGLES, RELEVENCE TO 1293 00:34:56,323 --> 00:34:57,491 HEALTHCARE AND 1294 00:34:57,491 --> 00:34:59,326 THEREFORE RELEVANT TO 1295 00:34:59,326 --> 00:35:00,752 SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 1296 00:35:00,752 --> 00:35:02,329 COMPETENCE. BUT ALSO 1297 00:35:02,329 --> 00:35:03,150 WHEN CLIENTS ARE 1298 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:04,331 SURVEYED, CLIENTS ALSO 1299 00:35:04,331 --> 00:35:05,682 SPEAK DIRECTLY HOW 1300 00:35:05,682 --> 00:35:07,334 THESE DYNAMICS PLAY A 1301 00:35:07,334 --> 00:35:09,441 ROLE IN THEIR MENTAL 1302 00:35:09,441 --> 00:35:11,338 HEALTH AS WELL AS 1303 00:35:11,338 --> 00:35:12,368 MENTAL HEALTHCARE. 1304 00:35:12,368 --> 00:35:13,340 SO OUR COLLEAGUE 1305 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:14,235 HOLLY OXHANDLER 1306 00:35:14,235 --> 00:35:15,309 AND COLLEAGUES IN 1307 00:35:15,309 --> 00:35:19,313 NATIONALLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE 1308 00:35:19,313 --> 00:35:20,342 PUBLISHED A COUPLE 1309 00:35:20,342 --> 00:35:21,315 OF YEARS AGO ASK 1310 00:35:21,315 --> 00:35:22,816 CLIENTS ABOUT THEIR 1311 00:35:22,816 --> 00:35:24,318 SPIRITUALTY, THEIR 1312 00:35:24,318 --> 00:35:26,214 MENTAL HEALTH, AND 1313 00:35:26,214 --> 00:35:28,322 THEN ALSO ABOUT THE 1314 00:35:28,322 --> 00:35:29,295 PROCESS OF SEEKING 1315 00:35:29,295 --> 00:35:30,324 MENTAL HEALTHCARE. 1316 00:35:30,324 --> 00:35:31,908 THE NUMBERS YOU SEE 1317 00:35:31,908 --> 00:35:33,327 IN FRONT OF YOU, 1318 00:35:33,327 --> 00:35:34,713 MAJORITY OF MENTAL 1319 00:35:34,713 --> 00:35:36,330 HEALTH CONSUMERS, AT 1320 00:35:36,330 --> 00:35:37,953 LEAST IN THIS STUDY, 1321 00:35:37,953 --> 00:35:39,333 STATED THAT THEY 1322 00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:41,835 VIEW THEIR RELIGION 1323 00:35:41,835 --> 00:35:44,338 AND SPIRITUALTY AS 1324 00:35:44,338 --> 00:35:46,899 DIRECTLY RELEVANT 1325 00:35:46,899 --> 00:35:49,309 TO THEIR MENTAL 1326 00:35:49,309 --> 00:35:50,229 HEALTH. THEY SAID 1327 00:35:50,229 --> 00:35:51,311 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUAL 1328 00:35:51,311 --> 00:35:52,853 BELIEFS TO REBUTTAL 1329 00:35:52,853 --> 00:35:54,314 TO MENTAL HEALTH, 1330 00:35:54,314 --> 00:35:55,687 CAPACITY TO COPE 1331 00:35:55,687 --> 00:35:57,317 TO DIVERSITIES AND 1332 00:35:57,317 --> 00:35:59,214 TRAUMAS THEY EXPERIENCE. 1333 00:35:59,214 --> 00:36:00,320 THEY CAN EDGE 1334 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,066 COURAGE PEOPLE TO 1335 00:36:02,066 --> 00:36:04,324 PURSUE HEALTH, MENTAL 1336 00:36:04,324 --> 00:36:05,436 HEALTH SPECIFICALLY. 1337 00:36:05,436 --> 00:36:06,326 SO ALL OF THESE 1338 00:36:06,326 --> 00:36:07,712 FIGURES MATCH VERY 1339 00:36:07,712 --> 00:36:09,329 CLOSELY WITH WHEN WE 1340 00:36:09,329 --> 00:36:11,147 LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHIC 1341 00:36:11,147 --> 00:36:12,332 INFORMATION OF 1342 00:36:12,332 --> 00:36:14,638 THE NATION OVERALL. 1343 00:36:14,638 --> 00:36:16,336 WHAT WE DO IS 1344 00:36:16,336 --> 00:36:18,138 MAJORITY OF MENTAL 1345 00:36:18,138 --> 00:36:20,340 HEALTH CONSUMERS ONE, 1346 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,057 HAVE A RELIGIOUS 1347 00:36:22,057 --> 00:36:24,311 SPIRITUAL TRADITION, 1348 00:36:24,311 --> 00:36:26,159 AND THEN ALSO VIEW 1349 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,315 THEIR SPIRITUALTY AS 1350 00:36:28,315 --> 00:36:30,942 CONNECTED TO OR 1351 00:36:30,942 --> 00:36:35,322 RELEVANT TO THEIR MENTAL 1352 00:36:35,322 --> 00:36:36,194 HEALTH. THEY ALSO 1353 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,324 ASK CLIENTS WERE YOUR 1354 00:36:37,324 --> 00:36:38,825 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUAL 1355 00:36:38,825 --> 00:36:40,327 BELIEFS BROUGHT UP 1356 00:36:40,327 --> 00:36:43,804 IN THERAPY? A MINORITY 1357 00:36:43,804 --> 00:36:46,333 OF CLIENTS SAID 1358 00:36:46,333 --> 00:36:47,387 THAT IT WAS. SO WHEN 1359 00:36:47,387 --> 00:36:48,335 WE LOOK CLOSER AT 1360 00:36:48,335 --> 00:36:49,283 THOSE NUMBERS, THE 1361 00:36:49,283 --> 00:36:50,337 MAJORITY OF THE THE 1362 00:36:50,337 --> 00:36:52,698 TIME IT APPEARS THE 1363 00:36:52,698 --> 00:36:55,308 CLIENTS ARE THE ONES 1364 00:36:55,308 --> 00:36:57,013 RAISING THIS DYNAMIC. 1365 00:36:57,013 --> 00:36:58,311 FOR A MINORITY, 1366 00:36:58,311 --> 00:36:59,854 IT IS BROUGHT UP BY 1367 00:36:59,854 --> 00:37:01,314 THE THERAPIST. OF 1368 00:37:01,314 --> 00:37:02,157 AGAIN, A SMALLER 1369 00:37:02,157 --> 00:37:03,316 MINORITY SAID THAT IT 1370 00:37:03,316 --> 00:37:04,262 WASN'T BROUGHT UP 1371 00:37:04,262 --> 00:37:05,318 BUT THEY WISH THAT 1372 00:37:05,318 --> 00:37:07,628 THEY HAD DISCUSSED 1373 00:37:07,628 --> 00:37:10,323 IT WITH THEIR MENTAL 1374 00:37:10,323 --> 00:37:11,145 HEALTH PROVIDER. 1375 00:37:11,145 --> 00:37:12,325 LASTLY, ABOUT 22% SAID 1376 00:37:12,325 --> 00:37:14,105 NO AND THEY WERE 1377 00:37:14,105 --> 00:37:16,329 GLAD THAT IT WASN'T 1378 00:37:16,329 --> 00:37:17,616 DISCUSSED. SO 1379 00:37:17,616 --> 00:37:19,332 THESE ARE IMPORTANT 1380 00:37:19,332 --> 00:37:20,834 DYNAMICS TO BEAR IN 1381 00:37:20,834 --> 00:37:22,335 MIND WHEN IT COMES 1382 00:37:22,335 --> 00:37:23,201 TO RELIGIOUS AND 1383 00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:24,337 SPIRITUAL COMPETENCE 1384 00:37:24,337 --> 00:37:25,286 A. IT ISN'T SIMPLY 1385 00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:26,339 EVERY MENTAL HEALTH 1386 00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:28,308 CLIENT IS SEEKING INCLUSION OF 1387 00:37:28,308 --> 00:37:29,848 SPIRITUALTY IN THEIR 1388 00:37:29,848 --> 00:37:31,311 TREATMENT PROCESS. 1389 00:37:31,311 --> 00:37:33,313 FOR SOME THEY WOULD 1390 00:37:33,313 --> 00:37:35,315 ACTUALLY PREFER IT 1391 00:37:35,315 --> 00:37:37,317 NOT BE INCLUDED. ALL 1392 00:37:37,317 --> 00:37:39,319 OF THAT IS RELEVANT 1393 00:37:39,319 --> 00:37:39,704 FOR COMPETENCY. 1394 00:37:39,704 --> 00:37:40,320 DETERMINING WHEN IS THE 1395 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,887 APPROPRIATE TIME AND 1396 00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:45,325 WHEN IT IS NOT THE 1397 00:37:45,325 --> 00:37:47,892 APPROPRIATE TIME. TO 1398 00:37:47,892 --> 00:37:50,330 ENGAGE SPIRITUALTY 1399 00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:51,639 IN THE COUNSELING 1400 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:53,333 PROCESS. SO IF I CAN 1401 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:54,145 SUMMARIZE THESE 1402 00:37:54,145 --> 00:37:55,335 RESEARCH FINDINGS AND 1403 00:37:55,335 --> 00:37:56,958 HOW THEY THEN RELATE 1404 00:37:56,958 --> 00:37:58,338 TO SPIRITUAL AND 1405 00:37:58,338 --> 00:37:59,979 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY, 1406 00:37:59,979 --> 00:38:01,308 THEY ARE THE SIX 1407 00:38:01,308 --> 00:38:02,203 MAJOR TAKE AWAYS, 1408 00:38:02,203 --> 00:38:03,310 SPIRITUALLY RELIGION 1409 00:38:03,310 --> 00:38:04,850 ARE COMMON, THEY ARE 1410 00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:06,313 SALIENT TO DIVERSE 1411 00:38:06,313 --> 00:38:07,853 IDENTITIES, THEY ARE 1412 00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:09,316 MULTI-DIMENSIONAL, 1413 00:38:09,316 --> 00:38:12,139 THEY INVOLVE A DIVERSE 1414 00:38:12,139 --> 00:38:14,321 ARRAY OF BELIEFS 1415 00:38:14,321 --> 00:38:16,323 EMOTIONS BEHAVIORS AND A 1416 00:38:16,323 --> 00:38:17,066 PLEURALLISTIC 1417 00:38:17,066 --> 00:38:18,325 SOCIETY WITH MULTIPLE 1418 00:38:18,325 --> 00:38:19,190 RELIGIONS. THEY 1419 00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:20,327 ARE MULTI-LEVEL, CAN 1420 00:38:20,327 --> 00:38:21,354 ENGAGE AT THE 1421 00:38:21,354 --> 00:38:23,330 INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IT CAN 1422 00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:24,181 AFFECT HOW FAMILY 1423 00:38:24,181 --> 00:38:25,332 DYNAMICS FUNCTION, HOW 1424 00:38:25,332 --> 00:38:27,642 INDIVIDUALS RELATE 1425 00:38:27,642 --> 00:38:30,337 TO THEIR COMMUNITIES 1426 00:38:30,337 --> 00:38:31,261 AS WELL AS SYSTEMS 1427 00:38:31,261 --> 00:38:32,339 AND SOCIETY. FLEXION 1428 00:38:32,339 --> 00:38:33,030 SPIRITUAL AND 1429 00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:34,307 RELIGIOUS PROCESSES ARE 1430 00:38:34,307 --> 00:38:36,059 FACTORS OF INDIVIDUAL 1431 00:38:36,059 --> 00:38:37,310 DIFFERENCES SO 1432 00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:38,733 PEOPLE CAN BE MORE 1433 00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:40,313 OR LESS DEVOUT TO A 1434 00:38:40,313 --> 00:38:41,259 RELIGION, BE PART 1435 00:38:41,259 --> 00:38:42,315 OF RELIGION OR NOT 1436 00:38:42,315 --> 00:38:43,817 PART OF RELIGION, 1437 00:38:43,817 --> 00:38:45,318 THEY CAN EXPLAIN 1438 00:38:45,318 --> 00:38:48,294 PSYCHOLOGICAL OUTCOMES 1439 00:38:48,294 --> 00:38:50,323 OVER AND ABOVE 1440 00:38:50,323 --> 00:38:51,324 OTHER PSYCHOLOGICAL FACTORS LIKE 1441 00:38:51,324 --> 00:38:52,542 PERSONALITY AND 1442 00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,327 CONTROLLING FOR OTHER 1443 00:38:54,327 --> 00:38:55,387 THINGS LIKE SOCIAL 1444 00:38:55,387 --> 00:38:56,329 SUPPORT. LASTLY 1445 00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:58,331 SPIRITUALTY AND RELIGION ARE 1446 00:38:58,331 --> 00:38:59,596 MULTI-VALENT, SO 1447 00:38:59,596 --> 00:39:01,334 THEY ARE POSITIVE AND 1448 00:39:01,334 --> 00:39:03,061 THEY ALSO HAVE NEGATIVE 1449 00:39:03,061 --> 00:39:04,337 IMPLICATIONS FOR 1450 00:39:04,337 --> 00:39:06,374 PSYCHOLOGICAL HEALTH 1451 00:39:06,374 --> 00:39:08,308 AND WELL BEING. SO 1452 00:39:08,308 --> 00:39:09,559 THESE SIX MAJOR 1453 00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:11,311 REASONS I THINK HELP 1454 00:39:11,311 --> 00:39:13,082 PROVIDE SOLID RATIONALE 1455 00:39:13,082 --> 00:39:14,314 FOR THE CONCEPT 1456 00:39:14,314 --> 00:39:16,538 OF SPIRITUAL AND 1457 00:39:16,538 --> 00:39:19,319 RELIGIOUS COMPETENC 1458 00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:22,295 IES. AND SOME AGENCIES 1459 00:39:22,295 --> 00:39:24,324 AT THE FEDERAL 1460 00:39:24,324 --> 00:39:25,675 LEVEL RESPONDED TO 1461 00:39:25,675 --> 00:39:27,327 THIS INFORMATION. AND 1462 00:39:27,327 --> 00:39:28,013 NOW INCLUDES 1463 00:39:28,013 --> 00:39:29,329 SPIRITUALTY AS PART OF 1464 00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:31,588 THEIR WELLNESS MODELS. 1465 00:39:31,588 --> 00:39:33,333 SO THE MODEL YOU 1466 00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:36,836 SEE IN FRONT OF YOU 1467 00:39:36,836 --> 00:39:40,340 IS FROM SAMHSA AND 1468 00:39:40,340 --> 00:39:41,244 SO IN 2006 SAMHSA 1469 00:39:41,244 --> 00:39:42,309 ADOPTED SPIRITUALTY 1470 00:39:42,309 --> 00:39:44,199 INTO ITS WELLNESS 1471 00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:46,313 MODEL, DUE TO THIS 1472 00:39:46,313 --> 00:39:47,314 INCREASING AWARENESS OF THE 1473 00:39:47,314 --> 00:39:48,229 INTERCONNECTIONS 1474 00:39:48,229 --> 00:39:49,316 BETWEEN HEALTH AND 1475 00:39:49,316 --> 00:39:51,461 SPIRITUALTY AND 1476 00:39:51,461 --> 00:39:54,321 SPECIFICALLY MENTAL 1477 00:39:54,321 --> 00:39:55,707 HEALTH. SO I THINK 1478 00:39:55,707 --> 00:39:57,324 IT IS IMPORTANT THAT 1479 00:39:57,324 --> 00:39:58,375 I ALSO HIGHLIGHT WHAT 1480 00:39:58,375 --> 00:39:59,326 DO CLINICIANS SAY? 1481 00:39:59,326 --> 00:40:01,900 CLINICIANS HAVE 1482 00:40:01,900 --> 00:40:05,332 RECOGNIZED THAT THE 1483 00:40:05,332 --> 00:40:06,833 MAJORITY OF CLIENTS 1484 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:08,335 NOW SEEK THIS TYPE 1485 00:40:08,335 --> 00:40:09,125 OF HELP AND THE 1486 00:40:09,125 --> 00:40:10,337 MAJORITY OF CLINICIANS 1487 00:40:10,337 --> 00:40:11,074 ALSO SAY IT IS 1488 00:40:11,074 --> 00:40:12,339 RELEVANT TO CLIENT WELL 1489 00:40:12,339 --> 00:40:14,069 BEING. SO WHAT IS 1490 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:16,309 THE PROBLEM, IN OTHER 1491 00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:18,257 WORDS? THE PROBLEM 1492 00:40:18,257 --> 00:40:20,313 IS IS THAT WHEN WE 1493 00:40:20,313 --> 00:40:21,285 ALSO SURVEY 1494 00:40:21,285 --> 00:40:23,316 CLINICIANS ABOUT THEIR 1495 00:40:23,316 --> 00:40:25,200 PRACTICES, FEWER 1496 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,320 THAN 50% ACTUALLY 1497 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,783 REPORT DOING A FULL 1498 00:40:28,783 --> 00:40:30,323 BIOPSYCHOSOCIAL AND 1499 00:40:30,323 --> 00:40:31,350 SPIRITUAL ASSESSMENT 1500 00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:32,325 WITH EACH OF THEIR 1501 00:40:32,325 --> 00:40:33,557 CLIENTS. THIS IS 1502 00:40:33,557 --> 00:40:35,328 REFERRED TO NOW AS THE 1503 00:40:35,328 --> 00:40:36,483 TRAINING GAP IN 1504 00:40:36,483 --> 00:40:38,331 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 1505 00:40:38,331 --> 00:40:40,333 COMPETENCY. WHAT WE HAVE COME TO 1506 00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:41,835 RECOGNIZE IS THAT 1507 00:40:41,835 --> 00:40:43,336 THROUGH MULTIPLE 1508 00:40:43,336 --> 00:40:45,038 STUDIES THAT HAVE 1509 00:40:45,038 --> 00:40:47,340 COME OUT OVER THE LAST 1510 00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:49,309 20 YEARS, IS THAT NO SPIRITUALTY 1511 00:40:49,309 --> 00:40:50,894 RELIGION HAD BECOME 1512 00:40:50,894 --> 00:40:52,312 MORE SAIL YEN TO 1513 00:40:52,312 --> 00:40:52,748 MENTAL HEALTH AND 1514 00:40:52,748 --> 00:40:53,313 WELL BEING -- SALIENT 1515 00:40:53,313 --> 00:40:54,893 TO MENTAL HEALTH AND 1516 00:40:54,893 --> 00:40:56,316 WELL BEING. THERE 1517 00:40:56,316 --> 00:40:57,939 IS A NOTICEABLE LACK 1518 00:40:57,939 --> 00:40:59,319 OF TRAINING THAT 1519 00:40:59,319 --> 00:41:00,374 OCCURS ACROSS 1520 00:41:00,374 --> 00:41:02,322 PSYCHOLOGY SOCIAL WORK, 1521 00:41:02,322 --> 00:41:04,038 COUNSELING, AND 1522 00:41:04,038 --> 00:41:06,326 MARRIAGE AND FAMILY 1523 00:41:06,326 --> 00:41:06,799 THERAPY. SO THIS 1524 00:41:06,799 --> 00:41:07,327 IS NOT NECESSARILY 1525 00:41:07,327 --> 00:41:08,828 SOMETHING THAT IS 1526 00:41:08,828 --> 00:41:10,330 ANY ONE PERSON'S 1527 00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:13,333 FAULT. THIS IS ACTUALLY PROBABLY 1528 00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:14,278 SOMETHING THAT IS 1529 00:41:14,278 --> 00:41:15,335 PRETTY COMMON WHEN 1530 00:41:15,335 --> 00:41:18,245 SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS 1531 00:41:18,245 --> 00:41:21,308 COME OUT, WHEN THEY 1532 00:41:21,308 --> 00:41:22,386 ARE IMPLEMENTED THERE 1533 00:41:22,386 --> 00:41:23,310 CAN BE DECADES OF 1534 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:24,131 TIME WHERE THOSE 1535 00:41:24,131 --> 00:41:25,312 FINDINGS DON'T MAKE IT 1536 00:41:25,312 --> 00:41:26,588 INTO THE HANDS OF 1537 00:41:26,588 --> 00:41:28,315 PRACTITIONERS. SO THE 1538 00:41:28,315 --> 00:41:29,728 GAP BETWEEN WHAT 1539 00:41:29,728 --> 00:41:31,318 WE NOW KNOW ABOUT 1540 00:41:31,318 --> 00:41:32,535 SPIRITUALTY AND 1541 00:41:32,535 --> 00:41:34,321 RELIGION AND HOW THAT 1542 00:41:34,321 --> 00:41:35,664 RELATES TO HEALTH 1543 00:41:35,664 --> 00:41:37,324 IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE 1544 00:41:37,324 --> 00:41:40,327 BEHIND THE SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 1545 00:41:40,327 --> 00:41:43,032 COMPETENCIES PROJECT 1546 00:41:43,032 --> 00:41:45,332 THAT I WORK ON. 1547 00:41:45,332 --> 00:41:46,406 THIS WAS A 5.3 MILLION 1548 00:41:46,406 --> 00:41:47,334 -DOLLAR GRANT FROM 1549 00:41:47,334 --> 00:41:49,453 THE JOHN TEMPLETON 1550 00:41:49,453 --> 00:41:51,338 FOUNDATION. THE 1551 00:41:51,338 --> 00:41:52,416 PURPOSE OF THIS GRANT 1552 00:41:52,416 --> 00:41:53,340 IS TO IMPROVE THE 1553 00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:54,324 MENTAL HEALTHCARE 1554 00:41:54,324 --> 00:41:55,308 PROCESS THAT CAN 1555 00:41:55,308 --> 00:41:56,363 PROMOTE HUMAN 1556 00:41:56,363 --> 00:41:58,311 FLOURISHING BY ENSURING 1557 00:41:58,311 --> 00:41:59,231 THAT EVERY MENTAL 1558 00:41:59,231 --> 00:42:00,313 HEALTH PROFESSIONAL 1559 00:42:00,313 --> 00:42:01,769 ATTENDS TO THEIR 1560 00:42:01,769 --> 00:42:03,316 CLIENTS FAITH OR 1561 00:42:03,316 --> 00:42:04,897 SPIRITUALTY AND 1562 00:42:04,897 --> 00:42:07,320 CLINICAL PRACTICE. OUR 1563 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,322 PROJECTS HAS FOUR OVERARCHING 1564 00:42:09,322 --> 00:42:10,621 INTERLOCKING SUB 1565 00:42:10,621 --> 00:42:12,325 PROJECTS. THE FIRST 1566 00:42:12,325 --> 00:42:15,245 HEADED UP BY MY 1567 00:42:15,245 --> 00:42:19,332 COLLEAGUES, MICHELLE 1568 00:42:19,332 --> 00:42:20,383 PIERCE AS WELL AS KEN 1569 00:42:20,383 --> 00:42:21,334 HAVE FINISHED DATA 1570 00:42:21,334 --> 00:42:23,201 COLLECTION IMPLEMENTING 1571 00:42:23,201 --> 00:42:24,337 A SPIRITUALTY 1572 00:42:24,337 --> 00:42:25,338 COMPETENCY TRAINING 1573 00:42:25,338 --> 00:42:26,339 PROCESS FOR MENTAL 1574 00:42:26,339 --> 00:42:26,918 HEALTHCARE 1575 00:42:26,918 --> 00:42:28,308 PROFESSIONALS ACROSS 20 1576 00:42:28,308 --> 00:42:30,221 PROGRAMS WITH 1577 00:42:30,221 --> 00:42:33,313 STUDENTS DOING THEIR 1578 00:42:33,313 --> 00:42:35,115 CLINICAL WORK. THE 1579 00:42:35,115 --> 00:42:37,317 SECOND PROJECT I LEAD 1580 00:42:37,317 --> 00:42:38,348 HAS BEEN INVOLVED 1581 00:42:38,348 --> 00:42:39,319 IN RECRUITING A 1582 00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:40,794 DIVERSE SET OF 1583 00:42:40,794 --> 00:42:43,323 PRINCIPLE INVESTIGATORS 1584 00:42:43,323 --> 00:42:44,247 WHO ARE WORKING ON 1585 00:42:44,247 --> 00:42:45,325 11 SEPARATE RESEARCH 1586 00:42:45,325 --> 00:42:46,240 PROJECTS WHICH I 1587 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,327 WILL SHOW YOU IN A 1588 00:42:47,327 --> 00:42:49,329 MINUTE, SIMULTANEOUSLY 1589 00:42:49,329 --> 00:42:50,330 ACROSS THE 1590 00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:54,698 COUNTRY. THE THIRD 1591 00:42:54,698 --> 00:42:58,338 SUB PROJECT IS 1592 00:42:58,338 --> 00:42:59,389 LOOKING AT A NATIONAL 1593 00:42:59,389 --> 00:43:00,340 SET OF FACULTY WHO 1594 00:43:00,340 --> 00:43:01,774 ARE CURRENTLY 1595 00:43:01,774 --> 00:43:04,310 TRAINING MENTAL HEALTH 1596 00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:04,826 PROVIDERS TO LOOK 1597 00:43:04,826 --> 00:43:05,311 AT THEIR VIEWS, 1598 00:43:05,311 --> 00:43:06,368 BEHAVIORS AND NEEDS 1599 00:43:06,368 --> 00:43:07,313 AND TRAINING AND 1600 00:43:07,313 --> 00:43:10,767 RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL 1601 00:43:10,767 --> 00:43:13,319 COMPETENCY, THAT 1602 00:43:13,319 --> 00:43:15,159 IS HEED UP BY DR. 1603 00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,323 HOLLY OXHANDLER AND 1604 00:43:17,323 --> 00:43:18,742 THE FOURTH IS SUB 1605 00:43:18,742 --> 00:43:20,326 PROJECT 4 WHICH IS 1606 00:43:20,326 --> 00:43:20,751 LOOKING AT HOW 1607 00:43:20,751 --> 00:43:21,327 HEALTHCARE SYSTEMS 1608 00:43:21,327 --> 00:43:22,790 OVERALL FUNCTION AS 1609 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:24,330 THEY RELATE TO THIS 1610 00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:28,334 TOPIC. THAT IS HEADED UP BY OUR 1611 00:43:28,334 --> 00:43:29,836 COLLEAGUE CASSANDRA 1612 00:43:29,836 --> 00:43:31,337 VIETEN. ONE OF THE 1613 00:43:31,337 --> 00:43:35,222 MAJOR FINDINGS THAT 1614 00:43:35,222 --> 00:43:39,312 CAME OUT OF OUR SUB 1615 00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:41,314 PROJECT PARTI IS THISCULAR 1616 00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:42,854 PARTICULAR STRATEGIC 1617 00:43:42,854 --> 00:43:44,317 GOAL. ONE THING WE 1618 00:43:44,317 --> 00:43:47,320 NOTICE WITH TRAINERS, EDUCATORS 1619 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,426 SUPERVISORS, A NUMBER 1620 00:43:48,426 --> 00:43:49,322 OF PEOPLE ACROSS 1621 00:43:49,322 --> 00:43:52,893 DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES 1622 00:43:52,893 --> 00:43:55,328 WHETHER OR NOT 1623 00:43:55,328 --> 00:43:56,279 THEY ARE ENTHUSIASM 1624 00:43:56,279 --> 00:43:57,330 ON THIS TOPIC OR NOT 1625 00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:57,747 ENTHUSIASTICKIC 1626 00:43:57,747 --> 00:43:58,331 ABOUT THE PROPECK IS 1627 00:43:58,331 --> 00:44:01,334 THERE IS A LACK OF METHODS TO 1628 00:44:01,334 --> 00:44:02,986 INCORPORATE INTO THEIR 1629 00:44:02,986 --> 00:44:04,337 MENTAL HEALTHCARE 1630 00:44:04,337 --> 00:44:06,031 TRAINING ENVIRONMENTS. 1631 00:44:06,031 --> 00:44:07,340 SO THIS INCLUDES 1632 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:08,273 THE LACK OF 1633 00:44:08,273 --> 00:44:10,310 PEDAGOGICAL STRATEGIES, 1634 00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:11,392 TEACHING GUIDELINES, 1635 00:44:11,392 --> 00:44:12,312 METHODS, CERTAIN 1636 00:44:12,312 --> 00:44:15,315 LANGUAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE USED, 1637 00:44:15,315 --> 00:44:17,258 BENCHMARK ASSESSMENTS, 1638 00:44:17,258 --> 00:44:18,318 THAT CAN BE 1639 00:44:18,318 --> 00:44:22,322 INFUSED INTO EXISTING TRAINING 1640 00:44:22,322 --> 00:44:23,864 PARADIGMS. SO WHAT 1641 00:44:23,864 --> 00:44:25,325 I'M GOING TO WALK 1642 00:44:25,325 --> 00:44:27,760 YOU THROUGH IS HOW 1643 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,330 OUR PARTICULAR SUB 1644 00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:32,732 PROJECT IS ADDRESSING 1645 00:44:32,732 --> 00:44:34,334 THIS CRITICAL 1646 00:44:34,334 --> 00:44:36,336 STRATEGIC NEED. THE WAY WE HAVE 1647 00:44:36,336 --> 00:44:38,786 CONSTRUCTED THIS 1648 00:44:38,786 --> 00:44:42,308 RESEARCH PROCESS IS TO 1649 00:44:42,308 --> 00:44:43,415 HAVE THIS LOGIC MODEL 1650 00:44:43,415 --> 00:44:44,310 IN THE FOR FRONT 1651 00:44:44,310 --> 00:44:45,364 -- FOREFRONT. COMING 1652 00:44:45,364 --> 00:44:46,312 OFF WHAT I SHARED 1653 00:44:46,312 --> 00:44:47,283 AT THE BEGINNING 1654 00:44:47,283 --> 00:44:48,314 OF MY TALK WHERE 1655 00:44:48,314 --> 00:44:49,172 THERE'S MASSIVE 1656 00:44:49,172 --> 00:44:50,316 MOVEMENTS THAT HAVE 1657 00:44:50,316 --> 00:44:52,043 TAKEN US TO THE PRESENT 1658 00:44:52,043 --> 00:44:53,319 IN PSYCHOTHERAPY 1659 00:44:53,319 --> 00:44:54,821 TRAINING, WE WANT TO 1660 00:44:54,821 --> 00:44:56,322 MAKE SURE SPIRITUAL 1661 00:44:56,322 --> 00:44:56,878 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY 1662 00:44:56,878 --> 00:44:57,323 IS NOT SIMPLY A 1663 00:44:57,323 --> 00:44:59,115 REDUNDANT PROCESS 1664 00:44:59,115 --> 00:45:01,327 WE ARE ASKING MENTAL 1665 00:45:01,327 --> 00:45:03,329 HEALTH PROVIDERS TO 1666 00:45:03,329 --> 00:45:05,331 ENGAGE IN. SO THE 1667 00:45:05,331 --> 00:45:08,334 LOGIC MODEL YOU SEE 1668 00:45:08,334 --> 00:45:11,337 IN FRONT OF YOU IS 1669 00:45:11,337 --> 00:45:12,338 KEEPING THAT SET OF 1670 00:45:12,338 --> 00:45:13,339 CONTROLS IN MINDS. 1671 00:45:13,339 --> 00:45:14,324 SO WE EXPECT TO SEE 1672 00:45:14,324 --> 00:45:15,308 WHEN PEOPLE ENGAGE 1673 00:45:15,308 --> 00:45:16,809 IN TRAINING PROCESS 1674 00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:18,311 OF SPIRITUALTY AND 1675 00:45:18,311 --> 00:45:20,313 RELIGION, IN COUNSELING AND 1676 00:45:20,313 --> 00:45:23,072 PSYCHOTHERAPY, WE 1677 00:45:23,072 --> 00:45:26,319 WOULD EXPECT TO SEE 1678 00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:27,320 THAT THEIR SCORES 1679 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,321 ON SPIRITUAL AND 1680 00:45:28,321 --> 00:45:29,861 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY 1681 00:45:29,861 --> 00:45:31,324 INCREASE. HOWEVER 1682 00:45:31,324 --> 00:45:32,145 WHAT OUR PROJECT 1683 00:45:32,145 --> 00:45:33,326 STARTING TO MOVE INTO, 1684 00:45:33,326 --> 00:45:34,377 IS TO MAKE THE 1685 00:45:34,377 --> 00:45:36,329 CONNECTION WHETHER OR NOT 1686 00:45:36,329 --> 00:45:37,304 WHEN A PSYCHOLOGIST 1687 00:45:37,304 --> 00:45:38,331 COUNSELOR OR SOCIAL 1688 00:45:38,331 --> 00:45:40,333 WORKER, ET CETERA, IS TRAINED IN 1689 00:45:40,333 --> 00:45:42,284 SPIRITUAL RELIGIOUS 1690 00:45:42,284 --> 00:45:44,337 COMPETENCY, IF THAT 1691 00:45:44,337 --> 00:45:45,538 HAS A MEASURABLE 1692 00:45:45,538 --> 00:45:47,340 EFFECT ON THE WORK THEY 1693 00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:49,106 DO WITH THEIR CLIENTS, 1694 00:45:49,106 --> 00:45:50,310 SO THAT DIRECT 1695 00:45:50,310 --> 00:45:51,995 LINE TO CLINICAL 1696 00:45:51,995 --> 00:45:54,314 OUTCOMES WOULD BE OUR 1697 00:45:54,314 --> 00:45:56,040 RESEARCH OR HYPOTHESIS. 1698 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,317 AT THE SAME TIME 1699 00:45:57,317 --> 00:45:59,481 WHAT WE ALSO BELIEVE 1700 00:45:59,481 --> 00:46:01,321 IS TRUE, IS THAT 1701 00:46:01,321 --> 00:46:02,245 THERE WILL ALSO BE 1702 00:46:02,245 --> 00:46:03,323 AN INDIRECT PATHWAY, 1703 00:46:03,323 --> 00:46:05,094 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 1704 00:46:05,094 --> 00:46:06,326 COMPETENCE WILL 1705 00:46:06,326 --> 00:46:07,191 MOVE THROUGH AND 1706 00:46:07,191 --> 00:46:08,328 THAT WILL BE THROUGH 1707 00:46:08,328 --> 00:46:09,729 MULTI-CULTURAL 1708 00:46:09,729 --> 00:46:12,332 ORIENTATION. THEN LEADING 1709 00:46:12,332 --> 00:46:13,468 TO CLINICAL OUTCOMES. 1710 00:46:13,468 --> 00:46:14,334 SO KEEPING THAT 1711 00:46:14,334 --> 00:46:15,972 IN THE BACKGROUND, 1712 00:46:15,972 --> 00:46:17,337 I WANT TO WALK 1713 00:46:17,337 --> 00:46:18,288 THROUGH IN THE TIME 1714 00:46:18,288 --> 00:46:19,339 I HAVE REMAINING THE 1715 00:46:19,339 --> 00:46:21,103 CURRENT PROJECTS 1716 00:46:21,103 --> 00:46:23,309 THAT WE ARE WORKING 1717 00:46:23,309 --> 00:46:25,311 WITH. TO GIVE YOU AN 1718 00:46:25,311 --> 00:46:27,313 EXAMPLE HOW THIS IS 1719 00:46:27,313 --> 00:46:29,369 BEING CONDUCTED. SO 1720 00:46:29,369 --> 00:46:31,317 THE FIRST PROJECT 1721 00:46:31,317 --> 00:46:32,919 TEAM SPIRITUAL 1722 00:46:32,919 --> 00:46:35,321 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY 1723 00:46:35,321 --> 00:46:37,073 TRAINING FOR VETERANS 1724 00:46:37,073 --> 00:46:38,324 AFFAIRS MENTAL 1725 00:46:38,324 --> 00:46:38,766 HEALTH TRAINING 1726 00:46:38,766 --> 00:46:39,325 DR. HARRIS AND DR. 1727 00:46:39,325 --> 00:46:40,469 KONDRATH ARE ROLLING 1728 00:46:40,469 --> 00:46:41,327 OUT A TRAINING 1729 00:46:41,327 --> 00:46:43,758 PROJECT IN THE VA 1730 00:46:43,758 --> 00:46:46,332 MEDICAL SYSTEM IN 1731 00:46:46,332 --> 00:46:47,283 MAINE. THIS PROJECT 1732 00:46:47,283 --> 00:46:48,334 IS ONE A FEASIBILITY 1733 00:46:48,334 --> 00:46:49,335 PROJECT THAT HAS MULTIPLE TIME 1734 00:46:49,335 --> 00:46:51,004 COMMITMENTS IN TERMS 1735 00:46:51,004 --> 00:46:52,338 OF THE TRAINING 1736 00:46:52,338 --> 00:46:53,633 PROCESS THAT THEY 1737 00:46:53,633 --> 00:46:55,308 ARE TESTING. AND THEN 1738 00:46:55,308 --> 00:46:57,012 THEY ARE ALSO TESTING 1739 00:46:57,012 --> 00:46:58,311 DEGREE TO WHICH 1740 00:46:58,311 --> 00:47:01,391 CLIENTS AND PATIENTS 1741 00:47:01,391 --> 00:47:04,317 FEEL BENEFITS FROM 1742 00:47:04,317 --> 00:47:06,481 THIS TRAINING IN 1743 00:47:06,481 --> 00:47:09,322 THE VA. THE NEXT SUB 1744 00:47:09,322 --> 00:47:10,323 PROJECT IS HEADED UP 1745 00:47:10,323 --> 00:47:11,324 BY DR. RANIA AWAAD, 1746 00:47:11,324 --> 00:47:14,104 STANFORD UNIVERSITY. 1747 00:47:14,104 --> 00:47:16,329 HER SUB PROJECT 1748 00:47:16,329 --> 00:47:17,099 HAS DEVELOPED A 1749 00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:18,331 TRAINING TO IMPROVE THE 1750 00:47:18,331 --> 00:47:21,334 COMPETENCY OF MENTAL HEALTHCARE 1751 00:47:21,334 --> 00:47:25,338 PROVIDERS TO WORK WITH MUSLIM 1752 00:47:25,338 --> 00:47:26,611 POPULATIONS. SO 1753 00:47:26,611 --> 00:47:28,307 HER PROJECT HAS SIX 1754 00:47:28,307 --> 00:47:29,572 OVERALL TRAINING 1755 00:47:29,572 --> 00:47:31,310 MODULES THAT HER TEAM 1756 00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:32,654 HAS DEVELOPED AND 1757 00:47:32,654 --> 00:47:34,313 IS CURRENTLY ROLLING 1758 00:47:34,313 --> 00:47:36,261 OUT ACROSS SEVERAL 1759 00:47:36,261 --> 00:47:38,317 MEDICAL SCHOOLS IN 1760 00:47:38,317 --> 00:47:40,319 THE COUNTRY ACTUALLY NOTICE 1761 00:47:40,319 --> 00:47:44,323 POINT TO TEST WHETHER OR NOT HER 1762 00:47:44,323 --> 00:47:45,166 TRAINING PROCESS 1763 00:47:45,166 --> 00:47:46,325 IMPROVES THE CULTURAL 1764 00:47:46,325 --> 00:47:48,799 COMFORT OF CLINICIANS 1765 00:47:48,799 --> 00:47:50,329 TO WORK WITH 1766 00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:51,330 MUSLIM PATIENTS AND 1767 00:47:51,330 --> 00:47:52,331 CLIENTS. THE THIRD 1768 00:47:52,331 --> 00:47:54,133 SUB PROJECT CLINICIAN 1769 00:47:54,133 --> 00:47:55,334 RESISTANCE TO 1770 00:47:55,334 --> 00:47:56,836 ENGAGE WITH RELIGION 1771 00:47:56,836 --> 00:47:58,337 AND SPIRITUALTY AND 1772 00:47:58,337 --> 00:48:02,008 THERAPY, IDENTIFYING 1773 00:48:02,008 --> 00:48:05,311 AND UNDERSTANDING 1774 00:48:05,311 --> 00:48:06,772 BARRIERS IS HEADED 1775 00:48:06,772 --> 00:48:08,314 UP BY DR. DEAL AND 1776 00:48:08,314 --> 00:48:09,265 DR. MAGYAR RUSSELL. 1777 00:48:09,265 --> 00:48:10,316 THIS FROM APOLOGETIC 1778 00:48:10,316 --> 00:48:12,045 INTERVIEWS TRAINEES 1779 00:48:12,045 --> 00:48:13,319 WHAT MAKES IT 1780 00:48:13,319 --> 00:48:14,821 DIFFICULT FOR THEM 1781 00:48:14,821 --> 00:48:16,322 TO THINK ABOUT OR 1782 00:48:16,322 --> 00:48:19,325 IMAGINE ENGAGING THE PROCESS OF 1783 00:48:19,325 --> 00:48:20,276 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUAL 1784 00:48:20,276 --> 00:48:21,327 COMPETENCY TRAINING. 1785 00:48:21,327 --> 00:48:22,944 THEY ARE ALSO DELVING 1786 00:48:22,944 --> 00:48:24,330 INTO IF THERE ARE 1787 00:48:24,330 --> 00:48:25,385 WAYS IN WHICH 1788 00:48:25,385 --> 00:48:27,333 PROFESSORS SUPERVISORS, 1789 00:48:27,333 --> 00:48:28,985 MAY ACTUALLY BE ADDING 1790 00:48:28,985 --> 00:48:30,336 TO THE RESISTANCE 1791 00:48:30,336 --> 00:48:32,573 THEY EXPERIENCE IN 1792 00:48:32,573 --> 00:48:35,308 TERMS OF THE OPENNESS 1793 00:48:35,308 --> 00:48:38,010 OF STUDENTS TO THE 1794 00:48:38,010 --> 00:48:41,314 TOPIC IN GENERAL. THE 1795 00:48:41,314 --> 00:48:46,319 NEXT SUB PROHEADED UP BY DR. 1796 00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:47,520 CALLAHAN AND DR. 1797 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,322 DIMMICK IS LOOKING AT A 1798 00:48:49,322 --> 00:48:50,270 RAINING PROCESS OF 1799 00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:51,324 FIVE SKILL DOMAINS, 1800 00:48:51,324 --> 00:48:52,125 FUNCTIONAL SKILL 1801 00:48:52,125 --> 00:48:53,326 DOMAINS NOT NECESSARILY 1802 00:48:53,326 --> 00:48:54,784 CONTENT KNOWLEDGE 1803 00:48:54,784 --> 00:48:56,329 BUT WAYS IN WHICH 1804 00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:57,638 CLINICIANS ENGAGE 1805 00:48:57,638 --> 00:48:59,332 WITH THEIR CLIENTS IN 1806 00:48:59,332 --> 00:49:01,134 THE COUNSELING AND 1807 00:49:01,134 --> 00:49:03,336 PSYCHOTHERAPY PROCESS 1808 00:49:03,336 --> 00:49:05,052 UTILIZING ACTOR 1809 00:49:05,052 --> 00:49:07,340 SCENARIOS THEY THEN 1810 00:49:07,340 --> 00:49:08,404 RECORD AND THEN TEST 1811 00:49:08,404 --> 00:49:09,308 WITH STUDENTS IN 1812 00:49:09,308 --> 00:49:10,925 THEIR TRAINING CLINIC 1813 00:49:10,925 --> 00:49:12,311 AT THE UNIVERSITY 1814 00:49:12,311 --> 00:49:13,368 OF NORTH TEXAS. AND 1815 00:49:13,368 --> 00:49:14,313 IT IS A MEASURED 1816 00:49:14,313 --> 00:49:16,080 DEGREE WHICH 1817 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,318 COMPETENCY RELATES TO 1818 00:49:19,318 --> 00:49:23,938 CLINICAL OUTCOMES IN 1819 00:49:23,938 --> 00:49:28,327 THEIR CLINIC. THE 1820 00:49:28,327 --> 00:49:29,604 NEXT SUB PROJECTS 1821 00:49:29,604 --> 00:49:31,330 FROM DR. GUTIERREZ AND 1822 00:49:31,330 --> 00:49:32,498 DORALS, HOW CENTERING 1823 00:49:32,498 --> 00:49:33,332 PRACTICES LIKE 1824 00:49:33,332 --> 00:49:35,334 MEDITATION CAN IMPROVE SPIRITUAL 1825 00:49:35,334 --> 00:49:36,388 RELIGIOUS COMPETENCY 1826 00:49:36,388 --> 00:49:37,336 TRAINING. SO THEY 1827 00:49:37,336 --> 00:49:38,917 ARE USING ONE OF THE 1828 00:49:38,917 --> 00:49:40,339 TRAININGS THAT IS 1829 00:49:40,339 --> 00:49:42,549 HEADED UP BY DR. 1830 00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:45,311 MICHELLE PIERCE AND 1831 00:49:45,311 --> 00:49:45,683 THEN ADDING A 1832 00:49:45,683 --> 00:49:46,312 CONTEMPORARY PRACTICE 1833 00:49:46,312 --> 00:49:47,340 COMPONENT TO ONE OF 1834 00:49:47,340 --> 00:49:48,314 THE CONDITIONS OR 1835 00:49:48,314 --> 00:49:50,066 ARMS OF THE RANDOMIZE 1836 00:49:50,066 --> 00:49:51,317 CONTROL TRIAL, 1837 00:49:51,317 --> 00:49:54,022 THEY ARE HEN TESTING 1838 00:49:54,022 --> 00:49:56,322 THAT TRAINING ON 1839 00:49:56,322 --> 00:49:58,632 CLINICAL OUTCOMES. 1840 00:49:58,632 --> 00:50:01,327 THE NEXT SUB PROJECT 1841 00:50:01,327 --> 00:50:03,386 WITH DR. ROSMARIN, 1842 00:50:03,386 --> 00:50:05,331 MCCLEAN HOSPITAL 1843 00:50:05,331 --> 00:50:08,835 HARVARD UNIVERSITY 1844 00:50:08,835 --> 00:50:12,338 MEDICAL SCHOOL IS 1845 00:50:12,338 --> 00:50:13,366 TESTING A 90 MINUTE 1846 00:50:13,366 --> 00:50:14,340 IN PATIENT PSYCHO 1847 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:16,092 EDUCATION GROUP 1848 00:50:16,092 --> 00:50:18,311 CURRICULUM THAT HE 1849 00:50:18,311 --> 00:50:20,513 DEVELOPED PILOT TESTED 1850 00:50:20,513 --> 00:50:22,315 BEFORE AND IS NOW 1851 00:50:22,315 --> 00:50:23,451 LOOKING AT A TRAINING 1852 00:50:23,451 --> 00:50:24,317 PROCESS THAT HE 1853 00:50:24,317 --> 00:50:26,147 HAS DEVELOPED IN 1854 00:50:26,147 --> 00:50:28,321 TERMS OF IMPROVING 1855 00:50:28,321 --> 00:50:30,271 THESE SPIRITUAL AND 1856 00:50:30,271 --> 00:50:32,325 RELIGIOUS COMPETENC 1857 00:50:32,325 --> 00:50:32,787 IES OF COUNSELORS, 1858 00:50:32,787 --> 00:50:33,326 PSYCHOLOGISTS SOCIAL 1859 00:50:33,326 --> 00:50:35,185 WORKERS IN IN 1860 00:50:35,185 --> 00:50:38,331 PATIENT MENTAL HEALTH 1861 00:50:38,331 --> 00:50:40,433 TREATMENT. DR. ARNOLD 1862 00:50:40,433 --> 00:50:42,335 IS USING THAT SAME 1863 00:50:42,335 --> 00:50:43,366 TRAINING BUT THEN 1864 00:50:43,366 --> 00:50:44,337 EXTENDING IT TO 1865 00:50:44,337 --> 00:50:46,191 PSYCHIATRIC RESIDENCY 1866 00:50:46,191 --> 00:50:47,340 AND CHAPLAIN 1867 00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:51,310 RESIDENCIES AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 1868 00:50:51,310 --> 00:50:52,392 PENNSYLVANIA MEDICAL 1869 00:50:52,392 --> 00:50:53,312 SCHOOL. THE NEXT 1870 00:50:53,312 --> 00:50:54,536 SUB PROJECTS SPIRITUAL 1871 00:50:54,536 --> 00:50:55,314 AND RELIGIOUS 1872 00:50:55,314 --> 00:50:57,081 COMPETENCIES IN 1873 00:50:57,081 --> 00:50:59,318 COUPLES AND FAMILY 1874 00:50:59,318 --> 00:51:00,820 THERAPY, HEADED BY 1875 00:51:00,820 --> 00:51:02,321 DR. SELLS AND DR. 1876 00:51:02,321 --> 00:51:03,348 RIPLY, THIS TRAINING 1877 00:51:03,348 --> 00:51:04,323 PROJECT IS ZEROING 1878 00:51:04,323 --> 00:51:06,325 IN ON SPECIFICALLY FAMILY COUPLE 1879 00:51:06,325 --> 00:51:09,328 DYNAMICS AROUND SPIRITUALTY AND 1880 00:51:09,328 --> 00:51:10,119 RELIGION. THEIR 1881 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:11,330 PROJECT HAS A BUILT IN 1882 00:51:11,330 --> 00:51:13,082 DEVELOPMENTAL PROCESS 1883 00:51:13,082 --> 00:51:14,333 FROM BEGINNING 1884 00:51:14,333 --> 00:51:16,335 COMPETENCE TO MORE INTERMEDIATE 1885 00:51:16,335 --> 00:51:16,777 COMPETENCIES TO 1886 00:51:16,777 --> 00:51:17,336 WORK WITH FAMILIES 1887 00:51:17,336 --> 00:51:21,324 AROUND RELIGIOUS AND 1888 00:51:21,324 --> 00:51:25,311 SPIRITUAL DYNAMICS. 1889 00:51:25,311 --> 00:51:27,467 THE NEXT SUB PROJECT, 1890 00:51:27,467 --> 00:51:29,315 DR. VAN ORMAN AND 1891 00:51:29,315 --> 00:51:31,603 DR. VANHARN LOOK 1892 00:51:31,603 --> 00:51:34,320 AT UNIQUE TRAINING 1893 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,187 PROCESS IN A OUTPATIENT 1894 00:51:36,187 --> 00:51:37,323 MENTAL HEALTH 1895 00:51:37,323 --> 00:51:37,952 TREATMENT ORGANIZATION 1896 00:51:37,952 --> 00:51:38,324 AND THEY ARE 1897 00:51:38,324 --> 00:51:40,159 RANDOMIZING CLINICIANS 1898 00:51:40,159 --> 00:51:41,327 TO GO THROUGH 1899 00:51:41,327 --> 00:51:42,986 THIS TRAINING PROCESS 1900 00:51:42,986 --> 00:51:44,330 AND THEN IN REAL 1901 00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:47,035 TIME MEASURING THEIR 1902 00:51:47,035 --> 00:51:49,335 OUTCOME AND WORK 1903 00:51:49,335 --> 00:51:53,339 WITH THEIR CLIENTS. THE NEXT SUB 1904 00:51:53,339 --> 00:51:54,675 PROJECTS HEADED BY 1905 00:51:54,675 --> 00:51:56,309 DR. WADE IS UTILIZING 1906 00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:58,473 WHAT IS CALLED SKILL 1907 00:51:58,473 --> 00:52:00,313 SETTER TRAININGS 1908 00:52:00,313 --> 00:52:01,637 WHICH ARE VIDEO 1909 00:52:01,637 --> 00:52:03,316 VIGNETTES THAT ASK 1910 00:52:03,316 --> 00:52:04,205 TRAINEES TO WORK 1911 00:52:04,205 --> 00:52:05,318 WITH THE VIDEOS AND 1912 00:52:05,318 --> 00:52:06,661 THEN RECORD THEIR 1913 00:52:06,661 --> 00:52:08,321 RESPONSES AS IF THEY 1914 00:52:08,321 --> 00:52:10,380 WERE THE CLINICIAN 1915 00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:12,325 WORKING WITH THE 1916 00:52:12,325 --> 00:52:13,225 CLIENT IN THE CASE 1917 00:52:13,225 --> 00:52:14,327 VIDEO. THEY ARE USING 1918 00:52:14,327 --> 00:52:15,328 A PEER CONSULTATION 1919 00:52:15,328 --> 00:52:16,329 GROUP WITHIN THEIR 1920 00:52:16,329 --> 00:52:18,448 INSTITUTION TO SEE 1921 00:52:18,448 --> 00:52:20,333 IF MEETING ON A 1922 00:52:20,333 --> 00:52:21,425 REGULAR BASIS WITH 1923 00:52:21,425 --> 00:52:22,335 PEERS INCREASE 1924 00:52:22,335 --> 00:52:25,364 SPIRITUAL AND RELIGIOUS 1925 00:52:25,364 --> 00:52:27,340 COMPETENCY AND 1926 00:52:27,340 --> 00:52:29,489 THEN LASTLY, DR. 1927 00:52:29,489 --> 00:52:32,311 WINKELJOHN BLACK ARE 1928 00:52:32,311 --> 00:52:33,441 USING THE SKILL SETTER 1929 00:52:33,441 --> 00:52:34,313 VIDEO PROCESS TO 1930 00:52:34,313 --> 00:52:37,993 TRAIN STUDENTS IN 1931 00:52:37,993 --> 00:52:42,321 DELIBERATE PRACTICE 1932 00:52:42,321 --> 00:52:43,122 THAT INCREASES 1933 00:52:43,122 --> 00:52:44,323 THEIR MULTI-CULTURAL 1934 00:52:44,323 --> 00:52:46,062 ORIENTATION AS RELATES 1935 00:52:46,062 --> 00:52:47,326 TO RELIGION AND 1936 00:52:47,326 --> 00:52:48,353 SPIRITUALTY. AND DR. 1937 00:52:48,353 --> 00:52:49,328 BLACK ALSO LOOK AT 1938 00:52:49,328 --> 00:52:50,680 CLIENT AND PATIENT 1939 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,331 OUTCOMES. SO EACH ONE 1940 00:52:52,331 --> 00:52:53,363 OF THESE TRAINING 1941 00:52:53,363 --> 00:52:54,333 METHODS WE HAVE 1942 00:52:54,333 --> 00:52:56,975 CAREFULLY SELECTED, 1943 00:52:56,975 --> 00:52:59,338 AND WE HAVE DONE 1944 00:52:59,338 --> 00:53:00,863 THAT BASED OFF FIVE 1945 00:53:00,863 --> 00:53:02,308 -- EXCUSE ME, SIX 1946 00:53:02,308 --> 00:53:03,809 CRITERIA. WE THINK 1947 00:53:03,809 --> 00:53:05,311 EACH ONE OF THESE 1948 00:53:05,311 --> 00:53:05,768 TRAINING METHODS 1949 00:53:05,768 --> 00:53:06,312 IS CONSISTENT WITH 1950 00:53:06,312 --> 00:53:07,655 ETHICAL STANDARDS 1951 00:53:07,655 --> 00:53:09,315 WITHIN MENTAL HEALTH 1952 00:53:09,315 --> 00:53:10,316 DISCIPLINES. THEY 1953 00:53:10,316 --> 00:53:11,317 ARE INCLUSIVE OF 1954 00:53:11,317 --> 00:53:12,626 DIVERSE SPIRITUAL 1955 00:53:12,626 --> 00:53:14,320 RELIGIOUS IDENTITIES, 1956 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,265 THEY ARE BASED ON 1957 00:53:15,265 --> 00:53:16,322 THE BEST AVAILABLE 1958 00:53:16,322 --> 00:53:17,586 EVIDENCE OF WHAT 1959 00:53:17,586 --> 00:53:19,325 WORKS, COMMON FACTORS 1960 00:53:19,325 --> 00:53:20,276 OF WHAT WORKS. THEY 1961 00:53:20,276 --> 00:53:21,327 ARE FREE OF ULTERIOR 1962 00:53:21,327 --> 00:53:22,499 RELIGIOUS OR NON 1963 00:53:22,499 --> 00:53:24,330 -RELIGIOUS AGENDAS. THEY 1964 00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:25,154 ARE CONSISTENT 1965 00:53:25,154 --> 00:53:26,332 WITH MULTI-CULTURAL 1966 00:53:26,332 --> 00:53:27,833 COMPETENCE. AND THEN 1967 00:53:27,833 --> 00:53:29,335 LASTLY, EACH ONE OF 1968 00:53:29,335 --> 00:53:30,441 THESE TRAINING 1969 00:53:30,441 --> 00:53:32,338 PROCESSES CAN BE EASILY 1970 00:53:32,338 --> 00:53:34,093 INFUSED INTO 1971 00:53:34,093 --> 00:53:37,309 EXISTING PARADIGMS OF 1972 00:53:37,309 --> 00:53:38,032 MENTAL HEALTH 1973 00:53:38,032 --> 00:53:39,311 TRAINING. ALL OF THESE 1974 00:53:39,311 --> 00:53:40,928 RESOURCES THAT I JUST 1975 00:53:40,928 --> 00:53:42,314 WENT THROUGH WITH 1976 00:53:42,314 --> 00:53:43,265 EACH ONE OF OUR SUB 1977 00:53:43,265 --> 00:53:44,316 PROJECT TEAMS, THESE 1978 00:53:44,316 --> 00:53:45,897 TRAINING METHODS AND 1979 00:53:45,897 --> 00:53:47,319 RESOURCES WILL BE 1980 00:53:47,319 --> 00:53:48,705 MADE AVAILABLE FOR 1981 00:53:48,705 --> 00:53:50,322 ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO 1982 00:53:50,322 --> 00:53:52,581 ACCESS WITHOUT CHARGE. 1983 00:53:52,581 --> 00:53:54,326 SO A BIG PART OF 1984 00:53:54,326 --> 00:53:55,433 OUR PROJECT IS 1985 00:53:55,433 --> 00:53:57,329 EMPOWERING OTHER PEOPLE 1986 00:53:57,329 --> 00:53:57,871 WHO MAY NOT CONSIDER 1987 00:53:57,871 --> 00:53:58,330 THEMSELVES TO BE 1988 00:53:58,330 --> 00:54:01,333 EXPERTS, THEY MAY BE -- MAY EVEN 1989 00:54:01,333 --> 00:54:03,335 CONSIDER THEMSELVES TO BE 1990 00:54:03,335 --> 00:54:04,700 NON-ENTHUSIASTS 1991 00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:06,338 OF THIS TOPIC, TO 1992 00:54:06,338 --> 00:54:07,023 RECOGNIZE ITS 1993 00:54:07,023 --> 00:54:08,340 IMPORTANCE BUT ALSO HAVE 1994 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:09,939 RESOURCES AND AVENUES 1995 00:54:09,939 --> 00:54:11,310 OF TRAINING TO BE 1996 00:54:11,310 --> 00:54:12,769 ABLE TO GET UP TO 1997 00:54:12,769 --> 00:54:14,313 SPEED IN ORDER TO 1998 00:54:14,313 --> 00:54:16,748 TRAIN THEIR OWN 1999 00:54:16,748 --> 00:54:20,319 STUDENTS TO WORK WITH 2000 00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:21,859 CLIENTS AROUND THESE 2001 00:54:21,859 --> 00:54:23,322 ISSUES. WITH THAT, 2002 00:54:23,322 --> 00:54:25,760 I WILL STOP MY PART 2003 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,327 OF THE COMMENTS AND 2004 00:54:28,327 --> 00:54:29,788 I WILL BE HAPPY TO 2005 00:54:29,788 --> 00:54:31,330 ADDRESS QUESTIONS. 2006 00:54:31,330 --> 00:54:33,582 >> GREAT, DR. FOX. 2007 00:54:33,582 --> 00:54:36,335 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR 2008 00:54:36,335 --> 00:54:38,126 SUCH AN ENRICHING 2009 00:54:38,126 --> 00:54:40,339 PRESENTATION. I KNOW 2010 00:54:40,339 --> 00:54:41,297 THERE MUST BE MANY 2011 00:54:41,297 --> 00:54:42,308 QUESTIONS. WE HAVE 2012 00:54:42,308 --> 00:54:43,203 ABOUT SIX MINUTES 2013 00:54:43,203 --> 00:54:44,310 AND WE CAN GO OVER A 2014 00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:46,483 LITTLE BIT BUT THAT 2015 00:54:46,483 --> 00:54:48,314 WAS JUST REALLY 2016 00:54:48,314 --> 00:54:49,315 EXCELLENT. SO THANK 2017 00:54:49,315 --> 00:54:50,316 YOU. I KNOW THERE 2018 00:54:50,316 --> 00:54:51,533 ARE A COUPLE OF 2019 00:54:51,533 --> 00:54:53,319 THINGS IN THE CHAT, I 2020 00:54:53,319 --> 00:54:57,323 JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF 2021 00:54:57,323 --> 00:54:58,555 CLARIFICATION IS 2022 00:54:58,555 --> 00:55:00,326 NEEDED, I SEE CHAPLAIN 2023 00:55:00,326 --> 00:55:01,787 MIKE SUSSMAN HAD A 2024 00:55:01,787 --> 00:55:03,329 QUESTION. MIKE, DO 2025 00:55:03,329 --> 00:55:03,329 YOU WANT TO RUN THAT 2026 00:55:03,329 --> 00:55:03,329 QUESTION OR ARE YOU 2027 00:55:03,329 --> 00:55:05,331 CLEAR? 2028 00:55:05,331 --> 00:55:06,180 >> I THINK I'M 2029 00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:07,333 SATISFIED WITH THE 2030 00:55:07,333 --> 00:55:08,759 ANSWER, I SEE OTHER 2031 00:55:08,759 --> 00:55:10,336 QUESTIONS THERE THAT 2032 00:55:10,336 --> 00:55:15,307 I'M HAPPY TO DEFER TO. 2033 00:55:15,307 --> 00:55:16,308 >> GREAT. THANK YOU. 2034 00:55:16,308 --> 00:55:17,309 I KNOW ANN, DR. ANN 2035 00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:18,160 BERGER RAISED HER 2036 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,311 HAND. WHY DON'T YOU GO 2037 00:55:19,311 --> 00:55:23,659 WHILE I'M SCROLLING 2038 00:55:23,659 --> 00:55:27,319 IN THE CHAT AND 2039 00:55:27,319 --> 00:55:28,373 LOOKING FOR ANYTHING 2040 00:55:28,373 --> 00:55:29,321 ELSE OUTSTANDING. 2041 00:55:29,321 --> 00:55:32,324 >> YOU ARE MUTED. 2042 00:55:32,324 --> 00:55:35,165 >> EXCELLENT LECTURE, 2043 00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:37,329 THANK YOU, VERY 2044 00:55:37,329 --> 00:55:38,249 MUCH. QUESTION IN 2045 00:55:38,249 --> 00:55:39,331 ALL OF THESE I KNOW 2046 00:55:39,331 --> 00:55:40,916 THERE ARE DIFFERENT 2047 00:55:40,916 --> 00:55:42,334 STUDIES THAT ARE 2048 00:55:42,334 --> 00:55:44,436 BEING DONE, DIFFERENT 2049 00:55:44,436 --> 00:55:46,338 PROGRAMS. BUT ARE 2050 00:55:46,338 --> 00:55:48,014 IN ANY OF THEM LOOKING 2051 00:55:48,014 --> 00:55:49,308 AT LANGUAGE USE, 2052 00:55:49,308 --> 00:55:51,310 QUESTIONS USED FOR 2053 00:55:51,310 --> 00:55:53,312 THE MENTAL HEALTH 2054 00:55:53,312 --> 00:55:57,316 PROVIDER TO LEARN HOW TO ASK IN 2055 00:55:57,316 --> 00:55:59,318 DIFFERENTIATING RELIGION 2056 00:55:59,318 --> 00:55:59,803 AND SPIRITUALTY? 2057 00:55:59,803 --> 00:56:00,319 BECAUSE THEY ARE 2058 00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:01,455 DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S 2059 00:56:01,455 --> 00:56:02,321 PROBABLY ONE OF 2060 00:56:02,321 --> 00:56:04,657 THE BIGGEST OBSTACLES 2061 00:56:04,657 --> 00:56:06,325 TEACHING THIS. 2062 00:56:06,325 --> 00:56:09,409 >> ABSOLUTELY. YES. 2063 00:56:09,409 --> 00:56:12,331 AND THE ANSWER IS 2064 00:56:12,331 --> 00:56:13,656 YES. SO WHEN WE 2065 00:56:13,656 --> 00:56:15,334 GATHERED ALL THESE 2066 00:56:15,334 --> 00:56:16,546 PROJECT TEAMS TOGETHER, 2067 00:56:16,546 --> 00:56:17,336 ACTUALLY ABOUT 2068 00:56:17,336 --> 00:56:19,338 ALMOST EXACTLY A YEAR AGO WE MET 2069 00:56:19,338 --> 00:56:21,891 TOGETHER, WE TALKED 2070 00:56:21,891 --> 00:56:24,310 THROUGH QUESTIONS 2071 00:56:24,310 --> 00:56:26,111 LIKE THAT. SO WHEN 2072 00:56:26,111 --> 00:56:28,314 THE TOPIC OF RELIGION 2073 00:56:28,314 --> 00:56:29,590 AN SPIRITUALTY IS 2074 00:56:29,590 --> 00:56:31,317 BROACHED, WHAT ARE THE 2075 00:56:31,317 --> 00:56:32,893 SPECIFIC PHRASES THAT 2076 00:56:32,893 --> 00:56:34,320 ARE USED, WHAT ARE 2077 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:35,479 THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS 2078 00:56:35,479 --> 00:56:36,322 THAT ARE ASKED. 2079 00:56:36,322 --> 00:56:41,327 SO THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT IT IS 2080 00:56:41,327 --> 00:56:42,278 COMPLICATED. RIGHT? 2081 00:56:42,278 --> 00:56:43,329 BECAUSE ONE THING WE 2082 00:56:43,329 --> 00:56:46,548 HAVE RECOGNIZED I 2083 00:56:46,548 --> 00:56:50,336 THINK OVER THE LAST 2084 00:56:50,336 --> 00:56:51,837 SEVERAL DECADES IS 2085 00:56:51,837 --> 00:56:53,339 THAT IN EMPIRICAL 2086 00:56:53,339 --> 00:56:59,311 TERMS, IN MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING 2087 00:56:59,311 --> 00:57:00,896 CONTEXT, IT IS VERY 2088 00:57:00,896 --> 00:57:02,314 COMMON TO DEFINE 2089 00:57:02,314 --> 00:57:04,211 SPIRITUALTY IN ONE 2090 00:57:04,211 --> 00:57:06,318 WAY AND RELIGIOUSTY 2091 00:57:06,318 --> 00:57:07,670 IN ANOTHER WAY. SO 2092 00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:09,321 SO THOSE DON'T ALWAYS 2093 00:57:09,321 --> 00:57:10,964 LINE UP WITH THE 2094 00:57:10,964 --> 00:57:13,325 GENERAL POPULATION. SO 2095 00:57:13,325 --> 00:57:15,127 SPIRITUALTY CAN BE 2096 00:57:15,127 --> 00:57:17,329 SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE 2097 00:57:17,329 --> 00:57:20,246 IDENTIFY AS THEIR 2098 00:57:20,246 --> 00:57:23,335 RELIGIOUSTY, VICE 2099 00:57:23,335 --> 00:57:26,338 VERSA, RIGHT? BUT IN ALL OF THE 2100 00:57:26,338 --> 00:57:28,374 ASSESSMENT TOOLS AND 2101 00:57:28,374 --> 00:57:30,309 INVENTORIES IN OUR 2102 00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:31,849 SUB PROJECTS, WE ASK 2103 00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:33,312 OUR TEAMS TO THINK 2104 00:57:33,312 --> 00:57:34,854 THROUGH SOME COMMON 2105 00:57:34,854 --> 00:57:36,315 SET OF PHRASES. 2106 00:57:36,315 --> 00:57:37,846 THAT COULD BE 2107 00:57:37,846 --> 00:57:40,319 INCORPORATED. AGAIN, 2108 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:41,551 RECOGNIZING THAT 2109 00:57:41,551 --> 00:57:43,322 CLIENTS BRING TO THOSE 2110 00:57:43,322 --> 00:57:45,324 TOPICS A VARIETY OF 2111 00:57:45,324 --> 00:57:47,326 MEANINGS. HOWEVER, 2112 00:57:47,326 --> 00:57:50,329 BUT TO HAVE EXPLICITLY THE TERM 2113 00:57:50,329 --> 00:57:52,331 SPIRITUALTY RELIGIOUSTY, YOU 2114 00:57:52,331 --> 00:57:52,817 CONSIDER YOURSELF 2115 00:57:52,817 --> 00:57:53,332 TO BE A SPIRITUAL 2116 00:57:53,332 --> 00:57:56,037 PERSON, YOU CONSIDER 2117 00:57:56,037 --> 00:57:58,337 YOURSELF TO BE A 2118 00:57:58,337 --> 00:57:59,364 RELIGIOUS PERSON. WE 2119 00:57:59,364 --> 00:58:00,339 TALK LIEU THOSE SO 2120 00:58:00,339 --> 00:58:01,938 THAT WE HAVE A COMMON 2121 00:58:01,938 --> 00:58:03,309 LANGUAGE SET THAN 2122 00:58:03,309 --> 00:58:04,435 WHEN WE LOOK AT 2123 00:58:04,435 --> 00:58:06,312 OUTCOMES ACROSS PROJECTS 2124 00:58:06,312 --> 00:58:07,082 WE WOULD HAVE A 2125 00:58:07,082 --> 00:58:08,314 GREATER CONSENSUS ABOUT 2126 00:58:08,314 --> 00:58:11,817 STARTING POINT ABOUT 2127 00:58:11,817 --> 00:58:15,321 THOSE TWO CONCEPTS. 2128 00:58:15,321 --> 00:58:16,707 SO IN SHORT, YES, 2129 00:58:16,707 --> 00:58:18,324 WE DID THINK THROUGH 2130 00:58:18,324 --> 00:58:19,992 THOSE DYNAMICS. 2131 00:58:19,992 --> 00:58:22,328 SPENT QUITE A BIT OF 2132 00:58:22,328 --> 00:58:22,778 TIME OVER THE PROS 2133 00:58:22,778 --> 00:58:23,329 AND CONS OF DIFFERENT 2134 00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:26,332 PHRASINGS. 2135 00:58:26,332 --> 00:58:27,333 >> SO ARE FROM QUESTIONS ABOUT 2136 00:58:27,333 --> 00:58:28,334 MEANINGFUL END POINTS? 2137 00:58:28,334 --> 00:58:33,339 >> COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN. 2138 00:58:33,339 --> 00:58:33,934 >> ARE THERE QUESTIONS 2139 00:58:33,934 --> 00:58:34,340 ABOUT MEANING, 2140 00:58:34,340 --> 00:58:37,309 PURPOSE, EXISTENTIAL ISSUE? 2141 00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:38,339 >> YES. SO SOME OF 2142 00:58:38,339 --> 00:58:39,311 THE PROJECTS, IT 2143 00:58:39,311 --> 00:58:41,113 DEPENDS UPON THEIR 2144 00:58:41,113 --> 00:58:43,315 PARTICULAR SITE, WHAT 2145 00:58:43,315 --> 00:58:45,192 IS TYPICALLY INCORPORATED 2146 00:58:45,192 --> 00:58:46,318 INTO A BATTERY 2147 00:58:46,318 --> 00:58:47,820 ASSESSMENT. BUT SOME 2148 00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:49,321 DO HAVE EXISTENTIAL 2149 00:58:49,321 --> 00:58:51,377 ISSUES WRAPPED INTO 2150 00:58:51,377 --> 00:58:53,325 THEIR ASSESSMENT. 2151 00:58:53,325 --> 00:58:55,156 THEIR ASSESSMENT 2152 00:58:55,156 --> 00:58:57,329 TOOLS. I THINK THE 2153 00:58:57,329 --> 00:58:58,756 UNIQUE PART OF WHAT 2154 00:58:58,756 --> 00:59:00,332 WAS ADDED IN OUR SUB 2155 00:59:00,332 --> 00:59:03,027 PROJECTS IS THE 2156 00:59:03,027 --> 00:59:07,339 EXPLICIT CONNECTION AND 2157 00:59:07,339 --> 00:59:09,047 FOCUS TO MULTI-CULTURAL 2158 00:59:09,047 --> 00:59:10,309 ORIENTATION. AND 2159 00:59:10,309 --> 00:59:11,387 MULTI-CULTURAL 2160 00:59:11,387 --> 00:59:13,312 ORIENTATION IN THE SENSE 2161 00:59:13,312 --> 00:59:16,315 OF TYING THAT EXPLICITLY TO 2162 00:59:16,315 --> 00:59:19,318 WHETHER OR NOT THE CLINICIAN IS 2163 00:59:19,318 --> 00:59:20,319 RESPONSIVE TO OR AVOIDING OF THE 2164 00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:24,323 CLIENT'S SPIRITUAL AN RELIGIOUS 2165 00:59:24,323 --> 00:59:29,328 PROCESSES. 2166 00:59:29,328 --> 00:59:30,200 >> THANK YOU, DR. 2167 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,330 FOX. BEING MINDFUL OF 2168 00:59:31,330 --> 00:59:31,889 THE TIME AND SEEING 2169 00:59:31,889 --> 00:59:32,331 THERE IS A FEW 2170 00:59:32,331 --> 00:59:35,033 THINGS IN THE CHAT 2171 00:59:35,033 --> 00:59:38,337 AND WANTING TO HAVE A 2172 00:59:38,337 --> 00:59:39,925 FEW MINUTES OF 2173 00:59:39,925 --> 00:59:42,307 CLOSING, I KNOW JOHN 2174 00:59:42,307 --> 00:59:44,472 POLLACK HAD -- JOHN, 2175 00:59:44,472 --> 00:59:46,311 ARE YOU CLEAR ON 2176 00:59:46,311 --> 00:59:48,256 YOUR QUESTION? DO 2177 00:59:48,256 --> 00:59:50,315 YOU HAVE CLARITY? THERE WAS SOME 2178 00:59:50,315 --> 00:59:54,410 DIALOGUING BETWEEN JOHN AND 2179 00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:55,320 MIKE. 2180 00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,698 >> I'M NOT ENTIRELY 2181 00:59:57,698 --> 01:00:00,325 SURE. IT APPEARED TO 2182 01:00:00,325 --> 01:00:02,276 ME THAT AT LEAST IN 2183 01:00:02,276 --> 01:00:04,329 WHAT I CAUGHT ON TO 2184 01:00:04,329 --> 01:00:05,906 WAS THAT A DIFFERENCE 2185 01:00:05,906 --> 01:00:07,332 BETWEEN MEDITATION 2186 01:00:07,332 --> 01:00:08,417 AND RELIGIOUS 2187 01:00:08,417 --> 01:00:10,335 PRACTICES OR SOMETHING 2188 01:00:10,335 --> 01:00:11,687 ALONG THOSE LINES. 2189 01:00:11,687 --> 01:00:13,338 AND MY COMMENT WAS IS 2190 01:00:13,338 --> 01:00:16,651 THAT SEEMS TO ME TO 2191 01:00:16,651 --> 01:00:20,312 BE A FALSE DICHOTOMY 2192 01:00:20,312 --> 01:00:22,870 IN THAT THEY ARE REALLY 2193 01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:25,317 MORE OF A OVERLAPPING 2194 01:00:25,317 --> 01:00:26,268 AND SO RATHER THAN 2195 01:00:26,268 --> 01:00:27,319 ONE OR THE OTHER. SO 2196 01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:31,323 JUST YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT. 2197 01:00:31,323 --> 01:00:32,271 >> YEAH. NUMBER OF 2198 01:00:32,271 --> 01:00:33,325 RESPONSES. I THINK 2199 01:00:33,325 --> 01:00:35,643 YOU ARE ARE DEFINITELY 2200 01:00:35,643 --> 01:00:37,329 ON TO SOMETHING 2201 01:00:37,329 --> 01:00:39,074 THERE. THERE IS A 2202 01:00:39,074 --> 01:00:41,333 WHOLE HISTORY TO THIS 2203 01:00:41,333 --> 01:00:42,275 OF THE DEGREE TO 2204 01:00:42,275 --> 01:00:43,335 WHICH MINDFULNESS 2205 01:00:43,335 --> 01:00:44,882 MEDITATION CAN BE 2206 01:00:44,882 --> 01:00:46,338 DETACHED FROM A 2207 01:00:46,338 --> 01:00:47,674 RELIGIOUS PRACTICE 2208 01:00:47,674 --> 01:00:49,308 IN WHICH IT FINDS ITS 2209 01:00:49,308 --> 01:00:52,311 ORIGIN. RIGHT? SO THIS WAS QUITE 2210 01:00:52,311 --> 01:00:54,259 EXPLICITLY DONE IN 2211 01:00:54,259 --> 01:00:56,315 THE APPLICATION OF 2212 01:00:56,315 --> 01:00:58,317 MINDFULNESS. SO JOHN 2213 01:00:58,317 --> 01:01:00,319 POLLACK SPEAKS VERY 2214 01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:02,885 CANDIDLY AN TRANSPARENTLY 2215 01:01:02,885 --> 01:01:04,323 ABOUT WHEN HE 2216 01:01:04,323 --> 01:01:05,749 INTRODUCED THE TERM 2217 01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:07,326 MINDFULNESS INTO THE 2218 01:01:07,326 --> 01:01:09,428 MASSACHUSETTS MEDICAL 2219 01:01:09,428 --> 01:01:11,330 SCHOOL IN WHICH HE 2220 01:01:11,330 --> 01:01:12,791 WAS IN AT TIME, HE 2221 01:01:12,791 --> 01:01:14,333 WAS CAREFUL NOT TO 2222 01:01:14,333 --> 01:01:17,028 INCLUDE BUDDHIST FILL 2223 01:01:17,028 --> 01:01:19,338 LOSS SOPHY IN ANY 2224 01:01:19,338 --> 01:01:20,364 WAY CONNECTED TO IT. 2225 01:01:20,364 --> 01:01:21,340 HE'S VERY EXPLICIT 2226 01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:22,750 THAT HE WAS WORRIED 2227 01:01:22,750 --> 01:01:24,309 ABOUT ITS RECEPTION, 2228 01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:26,101 AMONG HIS MEDICAL 2229 01:01:26,101 --> 01:01:28,313 SCHOOL COLLEAGUES AS 2230 01:01:28,313 --> 01:01:29,736 BEING TOO NEW AGE, 2231 01:01:29,736 --> 01:01:31,316 TOO RELIGIOUS TO BE 2232 01:01:31,316 --> 01:01:32,772 SOMETHING OF USE 2233 01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:34,319 FROM THE MEDICAL 2234 01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:38,323 SYSTEM. PARTICULARLY ABOUT ITS 2235 01:01:38,323 --> 01:01:39,658 RELATIONSHIPS TO 2236 01:01:39,658 --> 01:01:41,326 MENTAL HEALTH. FAST 2237 01:01:41,326 --> 01:01:42,377 FORWARD 30, 40 YEARS, 2238 01:01:42,377 --> 01:01:43,328 WE ARE NOW I THINK 2239 01:01:43,328 --> 01:01:44,560 ENGAGING IN THIS 2240 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,331 CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW 2241 01:01:46,331 --> 01:01:49,415 MUCH IS THAT REALLY 2242 01:01:49,415 --> 01:01:52,337 DIFFERENTIATED IN 2243 01:01:52,337 --> 01:01:54,422 PRACTICE? AND SO SOME 2244 01:01:54,422 --> 01:01:56,308 IN THE MINDFULNESS 2245 01:01:56,308 --> 01:01:57,688 SCHOOLS WOULD SAY 2246 01:01:57,688 --> 01:01:59,311 IT HAS BEEN REMOVED 2247 01:01:59,311 --> 01:02:00,371 TOP SUCH AN EXTENT 2248 01:02:00,371 --> 01:02:01,313 IT IS NO LONGER 2249 01:02:01,313 --> 01:02:03,093 MINDFULNESS. AND 2250 01:02:03,093 --> 01:02:05,317 OTHERS WOULD SAY IT 2251 01:02:05,317 --> 01:02:07,265 HASN'T. SO THERE'S 2252 01:02:07,265 --> 01:02:09,321 REAL DEBATE AROUND 2253 01:02:09,321 --> 01:02:15,327 THE DEGREE TO WHICH A TERM LIKE 2254 01:02:15,327 --> 01:02:18,303 MINDFULNESS MEDITATION 2255 01:02:18,303 --> 01:02:20,332 CONTEMPLATION, 2256 01:02:20,332 --> 01:02:21,018 CONTEMPORARY 2257 01:02:21,018 --> 01:02:22,334 PRACTICES ARE SEQ JUST 2258 01:02:22,334 --> 01:02:23,570 TECHNOLOGY, SOMETHING 2259 01:02:23,570 --> 01:02:24,336 YOU PRACTICE 2260 01:02:24,336 --> 01:02:27,322 VERSUS A BIGGER PART 2261 01:02:27,322 --> 01:02:30,309 OF YOUR IDENTITY, A 2262 01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:31,583 BIGGER PART OF 2263 01:02:31,583 --> 01:02:33,312 YOUR LIFE OVERALL. 2264 01:02:33,312 --> 01:02:35,142 >> I STILL THINK 2265 01:02:35,142 --> 01:02:37,316 THAT THE DICHOTOMY 2266 01:02:37,316 --> 01:02:38,290 SETUP IS NOT 2267 01:02:38,290 --> 01:02:40,319 PARTICULARLY USEFUL EVEN 2268 01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,321 WITHIN MANY TRADITIONS THAT THE 2269 01:02:42,321 --> 01:02:45,087 MINDSFULNESS APPROACH 2270 01:02:45,087 --> 01:02:47,326 TO MEDITATION IS 2271 01:02:47,326 --> 01:02:49,565 NOT ALL THERE IS. 2272 01:02:49,565 --> 01:02:52,331 SO SOMETHING FROM MY 2273 01:02:52,331 --> 01:02:53,948 CHURCH GROUP ON TYPES 2274 01:02:53,948 --> 01:02:55,334 OF MEDITATION, WE 2275 01:02:55,334 --> 01:02:56,720 HAD FIVE SESSIONS. 2276 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,337 SO I THINK THERE ARE 2277 01:02:58,337 --> 01:03:01,340 SOME PLACES WHERE IF ONE TUCK 2278 01:03:01,340 --> 01:03:04,309 MINDFULNESS MEDITATION, THAT IS 2279 01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:05,255 SOMETHING THAT IS 2280 01:03:05,255 --> 01:03:06,311 -- WE HAVE TOTALLY 2281 01:03:06,311 --> 01:03:06,671 SECULAR AND AN 2282 01:03:06,671 --> 01:03:07,312 OPPORTUNITY FOR THE EVIL 2283 01:03:07,312 --> 01:03:08,313 POWERS TO SLIP IN. 2284 01:03:08,313 --> 01:03:12,317 >> THAT'S RIGHT. 2285 01:03:12,317 --> 01:03:13,291 >> SO I THINK THAT 2286 01:03:13,291 --> 01:03:14,319 LANGUAGE IN AND OF 2287 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:15,185 ITSELF, IF IT IS 2288 01:03:15,185 --> 01:03:16,321 THE ONLY -- IF IT IS 2289 01:03:16,321 --> 01:03:17,164 THE ONLY GAME IN 2290 01:03:17,164 --> 01:03:18,323 TOWN, THEN I THINK IS 2291 01:03:18,323 --> 01:03:21,326 PROBLEMATIC. 2292 01:03:21,326 --> 01:03:22,661 >> YEAH, I WOULD 2293 01:03:22,661 --> 01:03:24,329 AGREE. I GREW UP IN 2294 01:03:24,329 --> 01:03:26,061 MANY A TRADITION 2295 01:03:26,061 --> 01:03:28,333 THAT WOULD HAVE SAID 2296 01:03:28,333 --> 01:03:29,123 JUST THAT. SO I 2297 01:03:29,123 --> 01:03:30,335 TOTALLY AGREE. I THINK 2298 01:03:30,335 --> 01:03:32,699 ONE THING THAT IS 2299 01:03:32,699 --> 01:03:35,340 IMPORTANT IS TO BE 2300 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:37,015 ABLE TO LOOK AT THINGS 2301 01:03:37,015 --> 01:03:38,310 SCIENTIFICICALLY 2302 01:03:38,310 --> 01:03:39,495 TO EXPLORE THEM 2303 01:03:39,495 --> 01:03:41,313 THROUGH THE METHODS OF 2304 01:03:41,313 --> 01:03:43,366 SCIENCE, RECOGNIZING 2305 01:03:43,366 --> 01:03:45,317 THE LIMITATIONS OF 2306 01:03:45,317 --> 01:03:46,518 THE SCIENTIFIC 2307 01:03:46,518 --> 01:03:48,320 METHOD TO BE ABLE TO 2308 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,322 ADDRESS METAPHYSICAL 2309 01:03:50,322 --> 01:03:52,324 REALITIES. WHILE AT 2310 01:03:52,324 --> 01:03:55,327 THE SAME TIME NOT DIMINISHING OR 2311 01:03:55,327 --> 01:03:56,995 DEVALUING THE 2312 01:03:56,995 --> 01:04:00,332 THEOLOGICAL PHILOSOPHICAL 2313 01:04:00,332 --> 01:04:03,335 UNDERPINNINGS OF ANY PRACTICE. 2314 01:04:03,335 --> 01:04:03,823 >> I COULD CONTINUE 2315 01:04:03,823 --> 01:04:04,336 BUT IT IS 3:04 SO I 2316 01:04:04,336 --> 01:04:06,338 WILL STOP. 2317 01:04:06,338 --> 01:04:07,695 >> SAME HERE. WE 2318 01:04:07,695 --> 01:04:09,307 HAVE TO TALK MORE. 2319 01:04:09,307 --> 01:04:11,053 >> THIS IS REALLY 2320 01:04:11,053 --> 01:04:13,311 GREAT. I'M CONCERNED 2321 01:04:13,311 --> 01:04:15,213 THAT WE ARE AFTER 3 2322 01:04:15,213 --> 01:04:17,315 P.M. SO WHAT I WOULD 2323 01:04:17,315 --> 01:04:18,774 LIKE TO ENCOURAGE 2324 01:04:18,774 --> 01:04:20,318 IS IF PEOPLE HAVE 2325 01:04:20,318 --> 01:04:21,627 QUESTIONS FOR DR. 2326 01:04:21,627 --> 01:04:23,321 FOX, DR. FOX, IF THAT 2327 01:04:23,321 --> 01:04:23,321 IS OKAY WITH YOU, 2328 01:04:23,321 --> 01:04:23,321 THEY CAN REACH OUT TO 2329 01:04:23,321 --> 01:04:24,322 YOU DIRECTLY. 2330 01:04:24,322 --> 01:04:27,325 >> ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. 2331 01:04:27,325 --> 01:04:28,299 >> I WOULD LIKE TO 2332 01:04:28,299 --> 01:04:29,327 JUST KIND OF THANK 2333 01:04:29,327 --> 01:04:30,278 YOU AGAIN AND THANK 2334 01:04:30,278 --> 01:04:31,329 ALL THE PARTICIPANTS 2335 01:04:31,329 --> 01:04:32,831 AND GIVE A COUPLE OF 2336 01:04:32,831 --> 01:04:34,332 CLOSING REMARKS AND 2337 01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:35,834 SOME REMINDERS FOR 2338 01:04:35,834 --> 01:04:37,335 OUR NEXT MEETING. 2339 01:04:37,335 --> 01:04:39,282 JUST AGAIN, TO 2340 01:04:39,282 --> 01:04:42,340 REITERATE, THAT WAS A 2341 01:04:42,340 --> 01:04:45,219 FANTASTIC PRESENTATION 2342 01:04:45,219 --> 01:04:47,312 AND CERTAINLY A 2343 01:04:47,312 --> 01:04:48,480 LOT OF THOUGHT 2344 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,315 PROVOKING AND LOTS TO 2345 01:04:50,315 --> 01:04:51,855 DIGEST MATERIAL THAT 2346 01:04:51,855 --> 01:04:53,318 YOU PRESENTED. I'M 2347 01:04:53,318 --> 01:04:54,447 HAPPY YOU ARE ALLOWING 2348 01:04:54,447 --> 01:04:55,320 US TO SHARE YOUR 2349 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,962 SLIDES. I WILL POST 2350 01:04:57,962 --> 01:05:00,325 THEM IN OUR TEAM 2351 01:05:00,325 --> 01:05:03,085 PORTAL. IF ANYONE 2352 01:05:03,085 --> 01:05:06,331 WOULD LIKE A COPY I 2353 01:05:06,331 --> 01:05:07,251 CAN EMAIL -- JUST 2354 01:05:07,251 --> 01:05:08,333 EMAIL ME AND I WILL 2355 01:05:08,333 --> 01:05:08,834 MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A 2356 01:05:08,834 --> 01:05:09,334 COPY. LEARNED A LOT 2357 01:05:09,334 --> 01:05:10,552 AND APPRECIATED 2358 01:05:10,552 --> 01:05:12,337 THIS, I HOPE EVERYONE 2359 01:05:12,337 --> 01:05:13,723 ELSE DID TOO. JUST 2360 01:05:13,723 --> 01:05:15,340 AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR 2361 01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:16,428 SHARING SO GENEROUSLY 2362 01:05:16,428 --> 01:05:17,309 OF YOUR TIME AND 2363 01:05:17,309 --> 01:05:18,158 EXPERTISE WITH 2364 01:05:18,158 --> 01:05:19,311 US. WE WILL HAVE A 2365 01:05:19,311 --> 01:05:20,997 RECORDING ON OUR 2366 01:05:20,997 --> 01:05:23,315 WEBSITE AS SOON AS IT 2367 01:05:23,315 --> 01:05:24,857 IS AVAILABLE AND IF 2368 01:05:24,857 --> 01:05:26,318 I MAY JUST TAKE A 2369 01:05:26,318 --> 01:05:27,833 MINUTE TO GIVE 2370 01:05:27,833 --> 01:05:30,322 EVERYONE A FEW UPDATES 2371 01:05:30,322 --> 01:05:32,699 FOR SAVE THE DATES. 2372 01:05:32,699 --> 01:05:35,327 COMING UP ON TUESDAY 2373 01:05:35,327 --> 01:05:36,299 SEPTEMBER 19TH WE 2374 01:05:36,299 --> 01:05:37,329 WILL BE HOLDING A 2375 01:05:37,329 --> 01:05:38,742 RSH-SIG WORKSHOP 2376 01:05:38,742 --> 01:05:40,332 ON THE NIH CAMPUS 2377 01:05:40,332 --> 01:05:42,058 DURING THE NIH RESEARCH 2378 01:05:42,058 --> 01:05:43,335 FESTIVAL. PLEASE 2379 01:05:43,335 --> 01:05:44,123 CHECK OUT THE 2380 01:05:44,123 --> 01:05:45,337 INTRAMURAL RESEARCH 2381 01:05:45,337 --> 01:05:47,322 FESTIVAL WEBSITE FOR 2382 01:05:47,322 --> 01:05:49,307 MORE INFORMATION ON 2383 01:05:49,307 --> 01:05:50,180 THAT. WE WILL TRY 2384 01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:51,309 BOTH IN PERSON AND BY 2385 01:05:51,309 --> 01:05:53,149 ZOOM SO FOR THOSE 2386 01:05:53,149 --> 01:05:55,313 OUTSIDE THE AREA WE 2387 01:05:55,313 --> 01:05:56,229 WILL TRY TO MAKE 2388 01:05:56,229 --> 01:05:57,315 IT SO THAT YOU CAN 2389 01:05:57,315 --> 01:05:59,480 PARTICIPATE AS WELL. 2390 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,319 THEN WE ARE VERY 2391 01:06:01,319 --> 01:06:03,961 EXCITED TO ANNOUNCE 2392 01:06:03,961 --> 01:06:06,324 THAT DR. KENNETH 2393 01:06:06,324 --> 01:06:08,326 PARGAMONT WILL PRESENT FOR US IN 2394 01:06:08,326 --> 01:06:09,591 OCTOBER, OCTOBER 2395 01:06:09,591 --> 01:06:11,329 17TH, T IT WILL BE IN 2396 01:06:11,329 --> 01:06:12,616 THE NIH WEBSITE 2397 01:06:12,616 --> 01:06:14,332 AND NIH CALENDAR OF 2398 01:06:14,332 --> 01:06:15,360 EVENTS. HE WILL BE 2399 01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,334 TALKING ABOUT THE 2400 01:06:16,334 --> 01:06:18,066 TALK HE PREPARED 2401 01:06:18,066 --> 01:06:20,338 WHICH IS GOING TO BE 2402 01:06:20,338 --> 01:06:21,658 CALLED SHAKEN TO 2403 01:06:21,658 --> 01:06:23,308 THE CORE, SPIRITUAL 2404 01:06:23,308 --> 01:06:25,361 STRUGGLES AS A VITAL 2405 01:06:25,361 --> 01:06:27,312 TOPIC FOR CLINICAL 2406 01:06:27,312 --> 01:06:28,372 RESEARCH AND 2407 01:06:28,372 --> 01:06:30,315 PRACTICE. I ENCOURAGE 2408 01:06:30,315 --> 01:06:31,393 EVERYONE TO MAKE ROOM 2409 01:06:31,393 --> 01:06:32,317 ON THEIR SCHEDULE 2410 01:06:32,317 --> 01:06:33,703 FOR THAT, I'M SURE 2411 01:06:33,703 --> 01:06:35,320 IT WILL BE FANTASTIC 2412 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,216 AS WELL. AND KEEP 2413 01:06:36,216 --> 01:06:37,322 IN TOUCH WITH US. I 2414 01:06:37,322 --> 01:06:38,797 WILL ENCOURAGE 2415 01:06:38,797 --> 01:06:41,326 EVERYONE TO BE IN TOUCH 2416 01:06:41,326 --> 01:06:42,177 WITH US, WITH THE 2417 01:06:42,177 --> 01:06:43,328 WORK YOU ARE DOING THE 2418 01:06:43,328 --> 01:06:44,958 QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, 2419 01:06:44,958 --> 01:06:46,331 THE IDEAS ABOUT 2420 01:06:46,331 --> 01:06:48,533 FEEDBACK FOR US, LET'S 2421 01:06:48,533 --> 01:06:50,335 WORK TOGETHER. WE 2422 01:06:50,335 --> 01:06:51,259 ARE ALWAYS OPEN TO 2423 01:06:51,259 --> 01:06:52,337 HEARING FROM YOU. IF 2424 01:06:52,337 --> 01:06:53,680 YOU WOULD LIKE TO 2425 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:55,340 LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR 2426 01:06:55,340 --> 01:06:56,482 GROUP WE HAVE A 2427 01:06:56,482 --> 01:06:58,310 WEBSITE, IF YOU GOING T 2428 01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:59,388 RELIGIOUS SPIRITUALTY 2429 01:06:59,388 --> 01:07:00,312 AND HEALTH SIG AT 2430 01:07:00,312 --> 01:07:02,103 NIH YOU WILL FIND 2431 01:07:02,103 --> 01:07:04,316 US, OR IF YOU SEARCH 2432 01:07:04,316 --> 01:07:06,318 THE NIH WEBSITE, IT IS UNDER THE 2433 01:07:06,318 --> 01:07:07,142 INTEROFFICE OF 2434 01:07:07,142 --> 01:07:08,320 INTRAMURAL RESEARCH 2435 01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:09,783 SCIENTIFIC INTEREST 2436 01:07:09,783 --> 01:07:11,323 GROUP. SO THANK YOU 2437 01:07:11,323 --> 01:07:12,274 AGAIN, DR. FOX, AND 2438 01:07:12,274 --> 01:07:13,325 ALL OF YOU FOR BEING 2439 01:07:13,325 --> 01:07:14,826 HERE WITH US. I KNOW 2440 01:07:14,826 --> 01:07:16,328 I LOVED HAVING THIS 2441 01:07:16,328 --> 01:07:17,945 TIME TOGETHER. I WISH 2442 01:07:17,945 --> 01:07:19,331 WE COULD TALK FOR 2443 01:07:19,331 --> 01:07:21,495 ANOTHER HOUR OR TWO. 2444 01:07:21,495 --> 01:07:23,335 BUT HERE WE ARE. 2445 01:07:23,335 --> 01:07:25,499 HAVE A NICE DAY, 2446 01:07:25,499 --> 01:07:28,340 EVERYONE. STAY SAFE.