WELCOME TO NIGMS'S SEPTEMBER
COUNCIL.
I THINK WE'RE GOING TO WAIT JUST
A MINUTE.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE A
QUALITY -
-QUORUM OF COUNSELS SILL NOW.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
I AM DIRECTOR JOHN LORSCH, THE
DIRECTOR OF NIGMS, WE WILL START
A ROUND OF INTRODUCTIONS WE WILL
GO IN ORDER OF THE AGENDA SO
NATALIE AHN, I AM IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF BIOCHEMISTRY AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO
BOULDER.
THANK YOU ASSAD?
>> DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE
YOURSELF BRIEFLY, SAY WHO YOU
ARE, WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT YOU
DO?
>> I'M SAD, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR
IN CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT AND
MOLECULAR ENGINEERING AT GEORGIA
TECH AND WE DO BIOPHYSICS.
>> TERRIFIC, THANK YOU, ANGELLA
BUYERS-WINSTON NGOOD MORNING,
DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN MADISON.
>> THANK YOU AMPLEGELLA DUPACE
FOR YOU THERE.
>> I AM, I AM ANGELLA DUPACE, I
AM ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF SYSTEM
SYSTEM BIOLOGY AT HARVARD
MEDICAL SCHOOL CURRENTLY ON
LEAVE AND I'M ALSO THE
SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM OFFICER AT
THE HOWARD HUGH'S MEDICAL
INSTITUTE WHERE I SUPPORT THE
HANNAH H. GRAVES FELLOW PROGRAM.
>> TERRIFIC, THANK YOU,
CHRISTINA?
>> I'M CHRISTINA KENDRZIORSKI, I
AM WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF
LOUISVILLE AND MY GROUP STUDIES
GENOMICS FORMATIONS IN STUDIES.
>> RON KING.
>> YEAH, RON KING, UNIVERSITY OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, TECH SCHOOL
OF MEDICINE, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSLATION GENOMICS.
>> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU RON.
PAMELA STACKS?
>> GOOD MORNING, PAMELA STACKS,
PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT SAN JOSE
STATE UNIVERSITY IN CALIFORNIA
DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY.
>> JEFF SUN?
>> YEAH, JEFF SON PROFESS ONOR
OF EDUCATION AND LAW AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE, AND
PART-TIME DEAN AT UNIVERSITY OF
PARTNERSHIPS.
>> WENDY YOUNG?
>> I DON'T THINK WENDY'S ON YET
JOHN.
WE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.
>> REENA ZUTSHI, I AM THE
PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
[INDISCERNIBLE] BIOTECHNOLOGIES
WE DEVELOP ASSAYS FOR KINASES
AND OTHER MOLECULAR TARGETS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LET'S SEE TERRY KINZI,.
>> I'M TRY, PROFESSOR EMERITI OF
BIOCHEMIST RADIOY AND MOLECULAR
BIOLOGY RUBBINGERS ROBERT WOODS
JOHNSON MEDICAL SCHOOL WITH A
LIFE LONG INTEREST IN
TRANSLATIONAL CONTROL GENE
EXPRESSION.
>> KNELLENT.
DANIELLE, LEE.
>> ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT M.
I.T. SLOAN SCHOOL OF MANAGE AND
I AM AN ECONOMIST THAT STUDIES
SCIENCE AND INNOVATION.
>> GREAT.
DAVID MATTHEWS.
>> DAVID MATTHEWS FROM THE
UNIVERSITY OF ROUGH ATOM
CHESTER, DEPARTMENT OF
BIOCHEMISTRY AND BIOPHYSICS AND
A CENTER FOR RNA BIOLOGY AND MY
GROUP DEVELOPS COMPUTATIONAL
METHODS FOR UNDERSTANDING AND
MODELING RNA STRUCTURE.
>> TERRIFIC, LESLIE ROSE.
>> HELLO, I'M LESLY RODE, I'M IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF MOLECULAR AND
CELL BIOLOGY AT UC DAVIS AND
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS
AND NIGH GROUP STUDIES
ASYMMETRIC DIVISION IN
C.ELEGANS.
>> HI, A.M. I WITH NORTHERNERN
UNIVERSITY WITH DEPARTMENT OF
BIOCHEMISTRY.
BIOCHEMIST AND STRUCTURAL
BIOLOGIST.
>> MELODY SANFORD?
I'M MELANIE SANFORD, PROFESSOR
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN
WHERE I DID ORGANIC SYNTHESIS.
>> TERRIFIC CRYSTAL SOLE.
>> I'M CRYSTAL SOLE, ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR OF BIOCHEMISTRY IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY AT SAN
DISCIPLINARY OAGY STATE
UNIVERSITY AND I'M AN
ENZYMOLOGIST AND CANCER
BIOLOGIST.
>> AND RON [INDISCERNIBLE] ARE
YOU ON.
>> HE WAS GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE
MAKING IT.
>> YES I AM.
I AM, RON, I'M REPRESENTING THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF VETERAN'S
AFFAIRS WHERE I'M THE DIRECTOR
OF GENOMIC MEDICINE IN THE
OFFICE OF RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT.
GREAT TO BE HERE.
>> THANK YOU RON.
ERICA BROWN DO YOU WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> GOOD MORNING I'M ERICA BROWN,
THE DIVISION OF EXTRAMURAL
ACTIVITIESA THE HAD NIGMS AND
THE EXECUTIVE SECRETARY OF
COUNCIL.
>> AND I THINK I WILL JUST, IS
WENDY YOUNG ON YET?
>> SHE IS NOT.
SHE HAS NOT YET BUT WE ARE IN
CONTACT WITH HER.
>> OKAY, GOOD.
WELL WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
BUSINESS SO THE NEXT ORDER OF
BUSINESS IS THE CONFLICT OF
INTEREST STATEMENT TO ALL.
WHICH I AM SURE YOU WILL ENJOY.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE D.
E. A., THAT'S ERICA'S OFFICE.
IT IS ALSO POSTED IN THE
ELECTRONIC COUNCIL BOOK, PLEASE
SIGN IT AS I READ THE CONFLICT
OF INTEREST STATEMENT AND
ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE WILL
SUFFICE AND RETURN IT VIA E-MAIL
TO LINDA SARDIN, ADVISORS AND
CONSULTANTS SERVING AS MEMBERS
OF PUBLIC ADVISORY COMMITTEES
MAY NOT PARTICIPATE IN SCWAIGZS
IN WHICH ANY VIOLATION OF
CONFLICT OF INTEREST LAWS,
REGULATIONS ARE MAY OCCUR.
STAFF SHALL INSURE THAT A
COMMITTEE MEMBER DOES NOT
PARTICIPATE IN AND IS NOT
PRESENT DURING REVIEW OF
APPLICATIONS OR PROJECTS IN
WHICH TO THE MEMBERS KNOWLEDGE,
ANY OF THE FOLLOWING HAS A
FINANCIAL INTEREST.
THE MEMBER, THEIR SPOUSE, MINOR
CHILD, PARTNER INCLUDING CLOSE
PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATES OR AN
ORGANIZATION WITH WHICH THE
MEMBER IS CONNECTED.
IN ADDITION, CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST MAY OCCUR BECAUSE OF
OTHER PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS,
SUCH AS WITH RECENT STUDENTS
COLLABORATORS PERSONAL FRIENDS
OR SCIENTISTS WITH WHOM THE
MEMBER HAD LONG STANDING
SCIENTIFIC OR PERSONAL
DIFFERENCES.
TO INSURE A MEMBER DOES NOT
PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION OF
NOR VOTE ON AN APPLICATIONS
MRIIDATION IN WHICH HE OR SHE IS
IN CONFLICT, A WRITTEN
CERTIFICATION IS REQUIRED.
THIS STATEMENT WILL BECOME PART
OF THE MEETING FILE.
THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS
HAS PROVIDED A WAIVER FOR
FEDERAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
MEMBERS EMPLOYED HAD AT 1
UNIVERSITY OF A STATE
MULTIUNIVERSITY SYSTEM TO REVIEW
APPLICATIONS FROM SEPARATE
UNIVERSITY OF THE SAME SYSTEM,
PROVIDED THE MEMBER HAS NO
CONFLICTING INSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSIBILITIES.
IN ADDITION, A FEDERAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE MEMBER WHO IS EMPLOYED
BY A PRIVATE INSTITUTION OR AT A
PRIVATE INSTITUTION AND 1 OF ITS
AFFILIATES MAY PARTICIPATE IN
THE REVIEW OF A GRANT
APPLICATION SUBMIT BIDE ANOTHER
AFFILIATE OF THE PRIVATE
INTUITION IF THEY DO NOT HOLD A
JOINT APPOINTMENT WITH THE
AFFILIATE THAT IS SUBMITTED THE
APPLICATION, DO NOT HAVE A
AAFFILIATED WITH
RESPONSIBILITIES AND HAS A
WAIVER TO DO SO.
WE AT NIGMS KEEP TRACK OF THE
MORE EASILY IDENTIFIABLE
CONFLICKS FOR YOU, WE RELY ON
YOU TO IDENTIFY OTHER TYPES OF
CONFLICTS SUCH AS THOSE WE ARE
UNLOCALIZED PROSTASTILY TO KNOW
ABOUT, RECENT STUDENTS, PERSONAL
FRIENDS, ET CETERA.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO LET US
KNOW IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT
A POTENTIAL CONFLICT.
OKAY.
NEXT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE
MINUTES FROM LAST ROUND.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR
AMENDMENTS OR CORRECTIONS TO THE
MINUTES?
OKAY, HEARING NONE I WILL ASK
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN OBJECTION TO
APPROVING THE MINUTES?
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT SO, WITH
THAT THEN, WE WILL CONSIDER THE
MINUTES APPROVED.
I SEE THAT WENDY YOUNG IS IN THE
WAITING ROOM.
SHE JUST JOINED.
I WILL ASK HER TO INTRODUCE
HERSELF IN A SECOND.
NOW WE NEED TO CONFIRM FUTURE
DATES, SO THE PROPOSED DATES ARE
THURSDAY FEBRUARY 21st, 2024
AND THAT WILL BE A VIRTUAL
MEETING, THURSDAY MAY 16th
2024 AND THAT WILL BE AN
IN-PERSON MEETING AND THEN
WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 18th,
2024, WHICH WILL BE A VIRTUAL
MEETING.
THATYA A DEPARTURE FROM OUR
NORMAL THURSDAY SCHEDULE, SO
THAT'S INTERESTING, DOES ANYONE
HAVE AN OBJECTION TO THOSE
PROPOSED DATES.
DON'T HEAR ANY SO THEREFORE I
WILL, ASSUME CONSENT ON THOSE
DATES.
PLEASE THOSE WHO ARE CONTINUING
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I WILL
MAKE A NOTE OF THOSE DATES.
AND WENDY YOUNG, I SEE YOU
JOINED, DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE
YOURSELF?
>> YOU'RE MUTED.
>> HI, EVERYBODY I'M WENDY
YOUNG, I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL
SEVERAL YEARS NOW, I'M HERE IN
SAN MATEO CALIFORNIA, I'VE BEEN
IN BIOPHARMA, MOST RECENTLY WAS
SVP AT GENOTECH AND NOW I'M AT
GOOGLE VENTURES.
>> GREAT AND WE APPRECIATE THAT
IT IS EARLY IN THE MORNING THERE
AND WE CAN SEE THERE'S NO LIGHT
OUTSIDE.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING ON SO
EARLY.
OKAY, WITH THAT I THINK WE WILL
TRANSITION TO MY REPORT, WHAT'S
BEEN GOING ON AT NRIERKS GMS IN
THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND IF EVERYONE COULD TURN OFF
THEIR CAMERAS WHILE WE'RE DOING
THE REPORT AND MUTE THEIR MICs
AND THEN WE WILL TURN THEM BACK
ON FOR THE DISCUSSION, THAT
HELPS WITH THE VIDEOCAST.
SO JUST REMIND THAT YOU WE HAVE
SEVERAL AD HOC COUNCIL
PARTICIPANTS, PARTICIPATING NOW,
YOU HEARD FROM CHRISTINA AND
REENA, JUST A MOMENT AGO, BUT WE
THANK THEM FOR JOINING THE
COUNSEL FOR THIS ROUND AND
SHARING THEIR EXPERTISE AND
INSIGHTS WITH US.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND AS WE DO WE HAVE 2 EARLY
CAREER INVESTIGATORS
PARTICIPATING AS AD HOCS, WE
FIND IT VERY USEFUL TO GET THE
OPINIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE EARLY
IN THEIR INDEPENDENT CAREERS,
AND GET THEIR HELP IN TELLING
PEOPLE WHAT HAPPENS ON COUNCIL
WHICH I THINK IS OFTEN A
SOMEWHAT MYSTERIOUS PROCESS AND
SO SAAD AND CRYSTAL WHO YOU
HEARD FROM ARE OUR EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATOR PARTICIPANTS THIS
ROUND.
SO THANKS TO THEM AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AS USUAL, THERE ARE A FAIR
NUMBER OF COMINGS AND GUESSING
AT NIGMS THAT I WANT TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF IN TERMS OF THE
COMINGS, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEW
PERSONNEL SO WE'RE PLEASED TO
ANNOUNCE THAT GREG BASSINETTE,
HAS JOINED US AS THE DIVISION OF
EXTRAMURAL ACTIVITIES DIRECTOR,
HE REPLACED STEPHANIE WHICH I
WILL TELL BUT IN A FEW MINUTES
AND HAS TRANSITIONED TO THE ROLE
OF THE DIRECTOR AT NIH.
THOMAS CHO IS THE BIOPHYSICS
BRANCH DIRECTOR AND COMES TO US
FROM CSR AND WE WELCOME HIM TO
THE GRUP.
KEVIN CZAPLINSKI HAS ALSO JOINED
US FROM [INDISCERNIBLE] AS AN
SRO PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN THE CELL
BIOLOGY BRANCH IN GMCDB.
IT'S GREAT HAVING HIM JOIN THE
TEAM AS WELL.
JOANNA DIMAS IS MANAGEMENT
AANALYST IN THE MANAGEMENT
ANALYSIS AND POLICY SECTION OF
NIGMS, AND WELCOME TO HER.
NEXT SLIDE.
KIM [INDISCERNIBLE] IS A NEW
PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN THE RESEARCH
ADVANCEMENT PROGRAMS BRANCH IN
DRCB.
JEREMY Mc INTIRE IS A NEW
PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN THE
PREDOCTORAL BASIC BIOMEDICAL AND
MEDICAL SCIENTISTS TRAINING
PROGRAMS BANCH IN TWD.
AND DES RAY SALAZAAR, WHO YOU
MAY REMEMBER BECAUSE SHE WAS A
PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN TWD BEFORE
LEAVING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO
GO TO NIAID, OR SORRY TO NHLBI
IS NOW THE CHIEF OF OUR CELL
BIOLOGY BRANCH IN GMCDB AND SO
WELCOME BACK TO DESIREE, IT'S
GREAT TO HAVE HER REJOINING THE
TEAM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
DIMITRIOS [INDISCERNIBLE] IS THE
NEW DIRECTOR IN THE PROCESSING
BRANCH, AND ALSO WELCOMING ARIAL
ZANE, WILL BE WORKING WITH ERIC
AND CLOSELY WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS
AND SHE REPLACES [INDISCERNIBLE]
WHO HAS SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL
WAS IN THAT POSITION AND HOW NOW
ASSUMED THE POSITION OF THE
DIRECTOR OF EXTRAMURAL
ACTIVITIESA THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE OF ARTHRITIS MUSK LO
SKELETAL AND SKIN DISEASES.
COUPLE PROMOTIONS, JIANHUA XU IS
NOW CHIEF OF DEVELOPMENTAL AND
CELLULAR PROCESSES BRANCH IN
GDBMC AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE
ARE COMINGS, THERE ARE GOINGS SO
WE HAVE A FEW DEPARTURES TO
ANNOUNCE, SHEILA KALD WELL A
PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN THE NETWORK
AND PROGRAMS BRANCH AND DIRECTED
THE NERCH PROGRAM HAS MOVED ON
AND WORKING IN DIRECTOR FOR THE
TRIBAL HEALTH RESEARCH OFFICE.
STEPHANIE CONSTANT WHO WAS THE
CHIEF OF OUR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW
BRANCH HAS NOW MOVED ON TO THE
OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL ACTIVITIES
IN THE OFFICE OF DIRECTOR AT
NIEKS H AND AS THE REVIEW POLICY
LEAD AT OAR.
AND MING LEI, HAS DECIDED TO
MOVE INTO ACADEMIC RESEARCH
ADMINISTRATION AND TAKEN A
POSITION AT WEST VIRGINIA
UNIVERSITY HEALTH SCIENCES, IT'S
ACTUALLY THE POSITION THAT LAURA
GIBSON WHO MANY'VE YOU REMEMBER
WAS A MEMBER OF NIGMS COUNCIL
UNTIL RECENTLY LEFT UPON HER
RETIREMENT AND SO, WE CERTAINLY
MISS ALL OF THESE GREAT PEOPLE
BUT WISH THEM VERY MUCH WELL IN
THEIR NEW ENDEAVORS AND LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THEM IN
THOSE NEW JOBS; NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
IN KEEPING WITH THE INCREASED
BUDGET THAT CONGRESS HAS
APPROPRIATED TO NIGMS AND ALL OF
NIH OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS, WE
HAVE, PROPOSED A REORGANIZATION
OF THE INSTITUTE TO ALLOW US TO
BETTER MANAGE THE INTERNAL WORK
LOADS BECAUSE WE'RE THE BIGGER
BUDGET OF COURSE, COMES MORE
GRANTS AND MORE PROGRAMS THAT
NEED TO BE MANAGED.
AND SO, THE 2 DIVISIONS AFFECTED
BY THIS REORGANIZATION ARE THE
DIVISION OF RESEARCH CAPACITY
BUILDING AND THE DIVISION OF
PHARMAICOLOGY PHYSIOLOGY AND
BIOLOGICAL CHEMISTRY, THE
REORGANIZATION PROPOSES TO ADD A
NEW BRANCH, A THIRD BRANCH TO
EACH OF THOSE 2 DIVISIONS, FOR
PBBC, IT WOULD ADD A NEW BRANCH
CALLED PHYSIOLOGY AND CLINICAL
SCIENCES BRANCH, IT ALSO
PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE NAMES OF
THE 2 EXISTING BRANCHES TO
CHEMISTRY AND CHEMICAL BIOLOGY
AND BIOCHEMISTRY AND MOLECULAR
PHARMAICOLOGY TO ALIGN WITH THE
PORTFOLIOS THAT EACH OF THOSE
NEW BRANCHES WOULD HOLD IF THIS
THIRD BRANCH IS ADDED.
IN DRCB IT WOULD ADD A NEW
BRANCH CALLED THE HEALTH
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
PROGRAMS BRANCH AND LEAVE THE
OTHER 2 NAMES OF THE EXISTING
BRANCHES AS THEY ARE.
WE INVITED PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THIS PROPOSED REORGANIZATION IN
JULY.
WE ANALYZED THAT COMMENT AND NOW
WE ARE HOPING TO GET APPROVAL TO
MOVE FORWARD FROM NIH AND HHS
FROM THIS REORGANIZATION.
WE WILL KEEP YOU POSTED.
AGAIN, JUST TO EMPHASIZE, THIS
DOES NOT CHANGE OUR SCIENTIFIC
FOCUS OF THESE DIVISIONS, IN ANY
WAY, IT REALLY IS JUST A WAY TO
BETTER DISTRIBUTE AND OVERSEE
THE INTERNAL WORK LOADS OF THE
DIVISIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO IN KEEPING, YOU KNOW WITH
THAT SAME THEME, WE ARE ADDING
ANOTHER POSITION TO THE
LEADERSHIP OF THE INSTITUTE THAT
WOULD FOCUS ON TRIBAL HEALTH
RESEARCH AND THIS WILL BE A
TRIBAL HEALTH RESEARCH STRATEGY
COORDINATOR.
THE PERSON WHO TAKES THIS
POSITION WILL HAVE A BROAD
SPHERE OF RESPONSIBILITIES THAT
INCLUDE SERVING AS AN EXPERT ON
MATTERS RELATED TO TRIBAL HEALTH
RESEARCH, AND A SENIOR NIGMS
REPRESENTATIVE IN COLLABORATIONS
WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE
GOVERNMENT AND EXTERNAL ENTITIES
IN THAT SPACE, SO FOR INSTANCE
WORKING WITH THE TRIBAL HEALTH
RESEARCH OFFICE OR THRO OR THE
TRIBAL NATIONS THEMSELVES AND
OTHER FEDERAL AND ACADEMIC
PARTNERS.
THE PERSON WILL BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR PLANNING, DIRECTING AND
EVALUATING, TELL BE INVOLVED IN
EVALUATIONS OF NIGMS WIDE FOR
PRESCRIBAL HEALTH EXPRCH
CAPACITY BUILDING AND TRAINING
AND SERVING AS AN ADVISOR TO
SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF NIGMS ON
MATTERS RELATED TO TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES.
SO WE WILL BE ACCEPTING
APPLICATIONS FOR THIS POSITION
SEPTEMBER 18th THROUGH 27th.
THERE'S A FEEDBACK LOOP POST
THAT WAS PUT UP THAT DESCRIBES
THIS IN MORE DETAIL.
CAN YOU GO TO THAT LINK, AND
LEARN MORE ABOUT IT AND WE WOULD
ASK YOUR HELP IN PUBLICIZING
THIS IS MAKING PEOPLE WHO MIGHT
BE GOOD FITS FOR THIS POSITION
AWARE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY AND
ENCOURAGING THEM TO APPLY.
I THINK THIS WILL BE A VERY
IMPORTANT POSITION FOR THE
INSTITUTE, IT WILL ALLOW US TO
FURTHER ADVANCE THE WORK WE'VE
DONE THROUGH THE NARCH PROGRAM
AND THE ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS WE
ARE ADDING TO THAT PORTFOLIO TO
HELP TRIBES AND TRIBAL
COMMUNITIES AND ORGANIZATIONS
GROW THEIR CAPACITY TO CONDUCT
RESEARCH THAT IS OF PRIORITY FOR
THEM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NIH-WIDE, THERE ARE NEW
APPOINTMENTS, AND NEW MOM
NATIONS TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF,
PROBABLY YOU ALL HEARD THAT
PRESIDENT BIDEN NOMINATED MONICA
BERTONOELLI, AS THE NEXT
DIRECTOR OF NIH.
AS YOU KNOW MONICA HAS SERVED AS
DIRECTOR OF NCI SINCE OCTOBER OF
2022 AND SHE WAS PREVIOUSLY THE
RICHARD E. WILSON SURGEON OF
MEDICAL SCHOOL, AT BRIGHAM
HOSPITAL AND ALSO AT THE
GASTROCANCKER AND SARCOMA
DEPARTMENT AT DANA FARBER, WE,A
WAIT THE NEXT STEP IN THERAPIST
PROFESS BUT CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH MONICA IN HER ROLE AS NCI
DIRECTOR.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO ANNOUNCED RECENTLY IS THAT
THERE IS A NEW DIRECTOR DESIGNEE
FOR THE NATIONAL INTUITYS OF
ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES
IT IS JEANIE AND SHE WILL LOOK
FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER WHEN
SHE GETS HER.
SHE BRINGS A WEALTH OF
EXPERIENCE IN LEADING
INTERNATIONAL CLINICAL TRIALS AS
WELL AS IN TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH AND SHE WAS PREVIOUSLY
DIRECTOR OF DIVISION OF IPT
GREATER FECTIOUS DISEASES AT
UAB.
WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT HAVING HER
JOIN THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP AT
NIH AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO
FORWARD TO WORKING CLOSELY WITH
HER.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
THEN NEW DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL
BEHAVIOR AND SCIENCES RESEARCH,
THAT'S JANE SIMONE, SHE BECAME
NIH DIRECTOR FOR BEHAVIORIAL AND
SOCIAL SCIENCES RESEARCH AND THE
DIRECTOR OF THE NIH OFFICE OF
BEHAVIORIAL AND SOCIAL SCIENCES,
RESEARCH AT THE END OF JULY, SHE
PREVIOUSLY WAS ON THE FACULTY F
UNIVERSITY OF THE WASHINGTON
WHERE SHE WORKED IN THE
DEPARTMENT OF PSYCHOLOGY, SO
VERY WELL SUITED TO THIS ROLE
AND WE WILL LOOK FORWARD TO
WORKING WITH HER AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
COUPLE OF LECTURES TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF AND GET YOUR HELP IN
PUBLICIZING THE FIRST IS THE
JUDITH GREEN BERG LECTURE FOR
EARLY CAREER INVESTIGATORS.
THIS YEAR'S LECTURER IS AKEELAH,
RAJA N, ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR IN
THE SCIENCES DIVISION AT FRED
HUTCHISON CENTER.
HER TITLE WILL BE CALLED LORD OF
THE FLIES INVESTIGATING HOW FAT
CELLS COMMUNICATE WITH THE
BRAIN, THIS WILL BE AT THE END
OF THE MONTH SEPTEMBER 27th
FROM 1-2:00 P.M. EAST OTHER THAN
TIME.
THE LECTURE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
Q&A SESSION AND YOU CAN
PARTICIPATE REMOTELY VIA ZOOM OR
WATCH THE NIH VIDEOCASTS, IT
WILL ALSO BE RECORDED SO YOU CAN
WATCH IT LATER.
THERE'S THE VIDEOCAST SITE AND
IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT
THE DOCTOR AND HER RESEARCH,
THERE'S A LINK THERE BUT WE'RE
EXCITED ABOUT THIS TALK.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THEN THE DEWIT STATON JUNIOR
LECTURE WILL BE GIVEN BY RY
YOUNG DISTINGUISH PROFESSOR
EMERTIS AND FOUNDING DIRECTOR
FOR THE CENTER FOR PHAGE
TECHNOLOGY AT DEPARTMENT OF
BIOCHEMIST RADIOY AND BIOPHYSICS
AT TEXAS A&M, HE WILL BE
SPEAKING ON PHAGE LICENSE
CONTROL, THAT WILL BE FROM 2-3
EASTERN TIME AND YOU CAN
PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM OR WATCH ON
NIH VIDEOCAST AND TELL BE ALSO
RECORDED SO YOU CAN WATCH LATER
IF YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT TIME AND
WE ALSO HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT
DR. YOUNG AND HIS RESEARCH UP ON
OUR WEBSITE YOU CAN FIND THERE.
SO PLEASE AGAIN HELP US MAKE
YOUR TRAINEES, COLLEAGUES AND
OTHERS AWARE OF THESE LECTURES.
WE WOULD LIKE TO GET A GREAT
TURN OUT AND HOPEFULLY, THEY
WILL BOTH BE VERY EXCITING
LECTURES, I THINK.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
A FEW RESOURCES THAT NIGMS HAS
AVAILABLE AND I WANT TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF AND GET YOUR HELP
PUBLICIZING.
THE FITTER IS AS WE MENTIONED
MAYBE AIER OR SO AGO, WE HAVE A
LAB SAFETY RESOURCE.
THIS HAS BEEN A PRIORITY FOR THE
INSTITUTE IN TRYING TO IMPROVE
INSTITUTIONS, CULTURES OF LAB
SAFETY, THEIR FOCUS ON TRAINING
THROUGHOUT THE CAREER CONTINUUM,
PATHWAY, IN TERMS OF LAB SAFETY
PRACTICES AND TRYING TO DEVELOP
THAT CULTURE OF SAFETY AND
THEREFORE WE STARTED A SITE THAT
PROVIDES RESOURCES TO HELP
INSTITUTIONS AND LABS DO THAT.
WE ALSO PROVIDED FUNDING FOR OUR
AWARDEES THAT HAVE TRAINING
GRANTS TO GET SUPPLEMENTS FOR
DEVELOPING LAB SAFETY CURRICULAR
MATERIALS.
SOME OF THESE RESOURCES ARE NOW
UP ON THAT LAB SAFETY TRAINING
WEBPAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THE LINK THERE, I
WANT TO PARTICULARLY HIGHLIGHT
WORK DONE BY VIRGINIA
COMMONWEALTH UNIVERSITY'S IMSD'S
PROGRAM WHICH GOT 1 OF THESE
SUPPLEMENTS AND PUT TOGETHER 6
REALLY TERRIFIC VIDEOS THAT TAR
THEIR TRAINEES AS WELL AS THEIR
FACULTY AND ADMINISTRATORS.
THEY'RE REALLY VERY WELL DONE,
THEY TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT AREAS
RELATED TO LAB SAFETY AND
DEVELOPING A CULTURE OF SAFETY,
YOU COULD USE THEM AT YOUR
INSTITUTIONS O IN YOUR LABS--OR
IN YOUR LABS TO TRY TO BOLSTER
TRAINING AND AWARENESS AND
SAFETY AND BEST PRACTICES I
WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT
THEM BECAUSE THEY DID A TERRIFIC
JOB, EXACTLY THE KIND OF THING
WE'RE HOPE TOPPING GET OUT OF
THESE TRAINING MODULES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE ALSO AS I MENTIONED BEFORE
HAVE A--OR ARE LEADING AN
NI--WIDE STEM RESOURCE IT IS
PORTAL.
THAT IS LED BY NIGMS BUT
FEATURES NIH-WIDE FREE EASY TO
ACCESS MATERIALS THAT EDUCATORS
OR STUDENTS CAN USING, TARGETED
MAINLY AT THE K-12 SPACE.
AS I SAID WE MANAGE IT BUT WE
GET CONTRIBUTIONS THROUGHOUT NIH
AND WE PUT THOSE ON THE WEBSITE.
IT IS CURRENTLY THE FEATURE OF
AN NIGMS BACK TO SCHOOL
PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGN, OBVIOUSLY
VERY TIMELY RIGHT NOW AND IT
REGULARLY SPOTLIGHTS SEPA-FUNDED
RESOURCES AS WELL AS
NIH-PRODUCED CONTENT AND YOU CAN
GO TO THE PAGE, CHECK IT OUT,
MAKE ANYONE INTERESTED AWARE OF
IT, IT'S ALL FREE AND SHOULD BE
VERY USEFUL I THINK FOR A
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT LEVELS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ON A RELATED NOTE, WE HAVE ALSO
LED NIH IN DEVELOPING A
PARTNERSHIP WITH KACCT HOOT, IF
YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT CAHOOT IS,
IT'S A POPULAR INTERACTIVE
LEARNING PLATFORM THAT'S USED BY
TEACHERS AND CLASSROOMS ACROSS
THE U.S. AS WELL AS ACROSS THE
WORLD.
IT'S SORT OF A GAME SHOW FORMAT,
IT HAS MUSIC AND THERE'S A
QUIZES THAT CAN BE PUT TOGETHER,
AND SHOWS LEADER BOARDS AND ALL
KINDS OF THINGS TO GENERATE
EXCITEMENT AND A LITTLE
COMPETITION AMONGST THE PEOPLE,
PARTICIPANTS, LIECIAL STUDENTS
TAKING THE QUIZES, GREAT WAY TO
GET INFORMATION, EDUCATIONAL
MATERIAL OUT THERE.
THIS PARTNERSHIP WHICH WE LED,
IS AGAIN FOR THE ENTIRETYY OF
NIH.
WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL KAHOOT PAGE
NOW THAT CONTAINS CONTENT FROM
ACROSS THE NIH AND FEATURES A
NUMBER OF RESOURCES THROUGH THE
SEPA PROGRAM.
WE ARE RIGHT UP THERE IN THE
MAIN KAHOOT PAGE.
YOU CAN SEE THE NIH LOGO THERE
ALONG WITH THINGS LIKE STAR
WARS, NASA, MICROSOFT, THE EU,
DISNEY, MARVEL COMICS, IT'S
REALLY PRETTY FANTASTIC SO
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL DRAW BOTH
STUDENTS AND TEACHERS IN AND GET
THESE RESOURCES USED.
SO AGAIN, PLEASE HELP US MAKE
PEOPLE AWARE OF THIS THAT YOU
THINK MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN
THIS RESOURCE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE FOR A LONG
TIME, HAD AN IMAGE AND VIDEO
GALLERY THAT SHOWCASES REALLY
COOL EXCITING BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK
AT IMAGES AND VIDEOS, MADE BY
NIGMS GRANTEES AND THE
SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.
IT'S SEARCHABLE, CAN YOU FIND
ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN YOUR
TEACHING, JUST MAYBE ART FOR
YOUR LAB AND OTHER VENUES,
PUBLIC OUTREACH, ET CETERA, YOU
CAN LEARN MORE BY GOING TO THE
WEBSITE AND IF YOU HAVE IMAGES
FROM YOUR LAB AND COLLEAGUESS
HAVE IMAGES FROM THEIR LAB THAT
YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD TO
INCLUDE IN THIS VIDEO IMAGE OR
GALLERY, PLEASE CONTACT US AND
LET US KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE
LOOKING FOR MORE EXCITING AND
INTERESTING BEAUTIFUL TO LOOK AT
IMAGES AND VIDEOS.
>> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
A FEW PROGRAM UPDATES, I WANT TO
GIVE TO YOU.
THE FIRST RELATED TO THE MOSAIC
PROGRAM, JUST AS A REMINDER THAT
IS PART OF NIH'S EFFORTS TO
ENHANCE DIVERSITY WITHIN THE
ACADEMIC BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY TARGETED AT
PROMOTING DIVERSITY, OF RESEARCH
INTENSIVE POSITIONS AT THE
INDEPENDENT FACULTY LEVEL.
IT HAS 2 PARTS, IT HAS A K99 R00
AWARD FOR SCHOLARS THAT HELP
THEM TRANSITION FROM LATE STAGE
POST DOCTORAL WORK TO
INDEPENDENT FACULTY CAREERS AND
PROVIDES THEM FUNDING AT BOTH
PARTS OF THOSE CAREER STAGES.
AND THEN THE UE 5 AWARDS THAT GO
TO ORGANIZATIONS FOR SCHOLAR
MENTORING, NETWORK BUILDING AND
SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, THESE GO TO
VARIOUS CURRENTLY PROFESSIONAL
SOCIETIES, AND PROVIDE REALLY
EXCELLENT ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO
THE COHORTS OF SCHOLARS ON TOP
OF WHAT THEY GET IN THEIR LABS
AND AT THEIR INSTITUTIONS.
SO IN TERMS OF THE K99 R00
SCHOLARS BY THE END OF THIS
FISCAL YEAR, WE EXPECT THAT
ACROSS NIH, THERE WILL HAVE BEEN
OVER 130 K99S AWARDED BY 17
INSTITUTES AND CENTERS, SO WHILE
NIGMS RUNS THIS PROGRAM AND
MANAGES IT, IT TRULY IS AN NIH
WIDE PROGRAM WITH ALL I THINK
BUT 1 NIH AND
EN--STRATEGIESITUTE AND CENTER
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING THE K99
R00 PROGRAM PART OF THE PROGRAM.
CAN YOU SEE 17 OUT OF THE 24
GRANT-GIVING ICs GIVING AWARDS
SO FAR IN THE 3 YEARS THAT THE
PROGRAM'S BEEN RUN BEING IS
REALLY QUITE REMARKABLE.
ALSO REMARKABLE IS I
DEMOGRAPHICS AND DIVERSITY OF
THE SCHOLARS.
SEVENTY-FIVE% OF THEM HAVE BEEN
PRACTICES WOMEN AND 70% HAVE
BEEN FROM RACIAL AND
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS AND THAT
REFLECTS THE APPLICATIONS MRI
DANTE FOWLERS, AND WE ARE
GETTING A BROAD DIVERSITY OF
APPLICANTS WHICH IS WHAT WE
WANTED AND THE OUTCOME SO FAR
HAS BEEN NOTHING SHORT OF
SPECTACULAR WITHIN 2 YEARS OF
THE PROGRAM.
ALREADY MORE THAN 42 OF THE
SCHOLARS HAVE EITHER ACCEPTED OR
STARTED A FACULTY POSITION.
REALLY, TRULY TREMENDOUS I THINK
AND THEY'RE ALL GOING TO REALLY
TERRIFIC INSTITUTIONS, DOING
TERRIFIC AND EXCITING WORK.
I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO MAKE
YOUR LEADERS OF YOUR
INSTITUTIONS, ANYONE INVOLVED IN
HIRING DECISIONS, AWARE OF THIS
PROGRAM BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT
PLACE TO LOOK AT ASK CONNECT
WITH REALLY EXCITING SCHOLARS
WHO ARE DOING GREAT WORK WHO ARE
LOOKING FOR JOBS AND SO IF
YOU'RE RECRUITING, I STRONGLY
RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO TO THE
WEBSITE, AND LOOK THROUGH WITH
SCHOLARS THAT ARE STILL IN THE
K99 PHASE AND MAYBE CONTACT THEM
AND START TO BUILD A RAPPORT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND IN TERMS OF UE5s, THE
FIRST 3 FUNDED HAVE BEEN DOING A
TERRIFIC JOB SO FAR IS THE AAMC,
ASCB, AND ASB&B, I CAN'T GIVE
THEM ENOUGH CREDIT FOR THE GREAT
WORK THEY'VE BEEN DOING BUT THE
GROWTH OF THE PROGRAM IN TERMS
OF THE NUMBER OF SCHOLARS WAS
WAY BIGGER THAT KNOW WE EXPECTED
BOTH BECAUSE OF THE SUPPORT
ACROSS NIH ICs AND FUNDING
AWARDS AND BECAUSE OF THE REAL
EXCITEMENT IN APPLICATIONS THAT
WE RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO, THERE'S A GREAT NEED TO
EXPAND THE NUMBER OF
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE PROVIDING
THE MENTORING CENTERS, AND
GETTING THE UE 5 AWARDS AND I'M
REALLY PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE A
FOURTH NOW ADDED, THE AMERICAN
SOCIETY FOR BIOLOGY, THIS HAS
BEEN FUNDED FOR NIAID, SO A HUGE
SHOUT OUT TO NIAID WHICH HAVE
BEEN THE GREAT PARTNERS IN
SUPPORTING THE MOSAIC PROGRAM
AND NOW SUPPORTING 1 OF THE
UE5S.
BUT TO TRY TO GET EVEN MORE
ENGAGEMENTS IN TERMS OF
PARTICIPATING AND
M-TEBURKEULOSEISORRING CENTERS
WE HAVE EXPANDED THE ELIGIBLE
ORGANIZATIONS.
PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE RESTRICTED
TO PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES BUT
NOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW HIGHER
EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS TO
PARTICIPATE AND THEREFORE WE ARE
ALSO EXPANDING THE ELIGIBLE
PROGRAM DIRECTOR OF PRINCIPAL
INVESTIGATORS TO INCLUDE
FULL-TIME FACULTY MEMBERS AND
ORGANIZATIONS.
WE HOPE BY DOING THIS WE WILL
FILL A COUPLE GAPS WE STILL HAVE
IN THE MENTORING CENTERS,
PARTICULARLY IN NEUROSCIENCE, WE
NEED STRONG APPLICATIONS FOR UE5
AND MENTORING CENTERS AND
NEUROSCIENCE BUT ALSO IN
PHYSIOLOGY AS WELL AS POPULATION
HEALTH VERY BROADLY.
IF YOUR ORGANIZATION OR AN
ORGANIZATION YOU KNOW MIGHT BE
INTERESTED, IS CERTAINLY IF YOU
KNOW POST DOCTORAL SCHOLARS WHO
MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN APPLYING
FOR THE K99S, THERE'S AN
UPCOMING WEBINAR FOR BOTH THE
K99 R00s AND THE UE5s, THIS,
THE 12th WHICH IS IN 5 DAYS AT
1:00 P.M. AND MORE INFORMATION
IS AVAILABLE ABOUT THAT OR WILL
BE COMING ON OUR WEBSITE SOON.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE OTHER PROGRAM I WANT TO
UPDATE YOU ON IS THE IDEA
REGIONAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP
PROGRAM OR IREAD, THIS IS AIMED
AT FACILITATING ENTREPRENEURSHIP
IN THE IDEA STATES.
A MAP OF THE IDEA STATES IS
SHOWN THERE.
THIS IS A CONGRESSALLY MANDATED
PROGRAM THAT SUPPORTS RESEARCH
CAPACITY BUILDING, TRAINING, AND
RESEARCH IN STATES THAT
HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT RECEIVED A
LARGE AMOUNT OF NIH FUNDING.
THE GOAL OF I-RED IS TO SUPPORT
THE BUSINESSES 1 OF THE EACH 4
REGIONS SHOWN ON THE SLIDES.
THAT WOULD DEVELOP EDUCATIONAL
PRODUCTS THAT WOULD ENHANCE
ENTREPRENEURIAL KNOWLEDGE AND
SKILLS OF BOTH FACULTY AND
TRAINEES IN EACH OF THESE 4 IDEA
REGIONS, PROVIDES HANDS ON
ENTREPRENEURIAL TRAINING TO BOTH
THE FACULTY AND THESE TRAINEES,
STRENGTHEN INSTITUTIONAL
TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER PROGRAM, AND
WOULD ABOUTINGOT WORK THAT WAS
ALREADY DONE BY THE PREDECESSOR
OF THIS PROGRAM WHICH WAS THE
REGIONAL TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER
ACCELERATOR HUBS THAT WERE
FUNDED IN 2018.
SO THIS IS THE SUCCESSOR TO THAT
PROGRAM AND I'M PLEASED TO TELL
YOU THAT WE'VE NOW FUNDED 1
I-RED HUB IN EACH OF THE 4 IDEA
REGIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THOSE ARE SHOWN HERE ON THIS
SLIDE IN THE SOUTHEAST REGION,
THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM IS THE
SOUTHEAST ACCELERATOR NETWORK, A
SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S RUNNING
IT, IS THE ACCELERATED HEALTH
LLC IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY,
THAT'S THE SAME GROUP THAT RAN
THE PREVIOUS INCARNATION IN THE
SOUTHEAST AND THEY'RE DOING THIS
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY IN
LEXINGTON.
IN THE CENTRAL REGION, THE
PROGRAM'S CALLED START UP
CENTRAL, THE SMALL BUSINESS,
CONTINUE EDUCATION TECHNOLOGIES
IN KANSAS AND THEY ARE WORK
NOTHING PARTNERSHIP WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS IN
LAWRENCE.
THE WESTERN GROUP IS THE ASCEND
IN WESTERN IDEA STATES THAT IS
BEING RUN BY THE NEW MEXICO
START UP FACTORY IN ALBUQUERQUE
IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NEW
MEXICO HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER
AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
ANDERSON SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT
WHICH IS QUITE INTERESTING TO
HAVE THE BUSINESS SCHOOL
INVOLVED IN THAT IN ALBUQUERQUE.
AND THEN JUST RECENTLY WE
FUNDEDLET FORTH WHICH WAS IN THE
NORTHEAST, THIS IS THE
INCREASING IDEA STATE,
BIOMEDICAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP VIA
ECOSYSTEM ENTERPRISES AND
EXPERTS PROGRAM.
THE SMALL BUSINESS IS INSIGHT
HUB LLC OF NEW ARK, DELAWARE AND
THEY'RE WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP
WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE
IN NEW ARK.
SO WE REALLY HOPE THAT THESE NEW
HUBS WILL SIGNIFICANTLY EXPAND
ENTREPRENEURIAL ACTIVITIES AND
FACILITATE AND CATALYZE THOSE
ACTIVITIES IN EACH OF THE 4 IDEA
REASON YOJS AND IF YOU ARE ENEN
GAUGED IN 1 OF THOSE--ENGAGED IN
1 OF THOSE REGIONS WE HOPE YOU
WILL ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO GET
INVOLVED.
NEXT SLIDE.
I WANT TO ENCOURAGE TO YOU SIGN
UP FOR THE FEEDBACK LOOP POST.
THIS IS HOW WE GET INFORMATION
TO OUR GRANTEES, APPLICANTS AND
OTHERS IN THE SCIENTIFIC
COMMUNITY.
WE'RE DOUBLING DOWN ON THIS AS A
TOOL FOR COMMUNICATING WITH THE
COMMUNITY.
PLEASE ENCOURAGE EVERYONE YOU
KNOW WITH ANY KIND OF CONNECTION
OR INTEREST IN NIGMS TO SIGN UP
FOR THIS.
AGAIN THIS IS OUR PRIMARY SOURCE
OF INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY
AND WE FIND IT TO BE PROBABLY
THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY FOR US TO
COMMUNICATE WITH A COMMUNITY.
IT PROVIDES INFORMATION ON
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, MEETINGS,
RESOURCES OTHER USEFUL
INFORMATION.
THERE ARE 2 WAYS CAN YOU
SUBSCRIBE.
YOU CAN EITHER RECEIVE POSTS AS
THEY ARE PUT UP, OR IF YOU DON'T
WANT QUITE SO MUCH E-MAIL, YOU
CAN GET A DIGEST OCCASIONALLY
THAT TELLS YOU USUALLY ABOUT 3
OR 4 POSTS THAT WERE PUT UP
RECENTLY.
ALSO, I WILL POINT OUT TO YOU
THAT YOU CAN FOLLOW US ON
LINKEDin, WE ARE REALLY KIND
OF TRYING TO UP OUR PRESENCE ON
THAT PLATFORM AS WELL.
WE THINK THAT IT'S PROFESSIONAL
NATURE SUITS THE KIND OF
COMMUNICATION WE WANT TO DO WITH
THE COMMUNITY AND SO IF YOU'RE
ON LINKEDIn, PLEASE FOLLOW US,
DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY DO ON
LINKEDin, WHATEVER IT IS THEY
DO ASK TRY TO ENGAGE WITH US
THAT WAY AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO I'M GOING TO MOVE NOW TO THE
DISCUSSION SECTION AND THERE ARE
A FEW QUESTIONS I THINK WE COULD
MAYBE DISCUSS AND I WANT TO PUT
THEM OUT THERE FOR YOU.
THE FIRST IS GOING BACK TO THE
PREVIOUS ROUND WHERE WE TALKED
ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE
WORK THAT THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
TO THE NIH DIRECTOR WORKING
GROUP ON REIMAGINING THE POST
DOCTORAL ECOSYSTEM IS DOING AND
I'M ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND A KEY
QUESTION, I THINK THAT'S GOING
TO COME UP IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS
IS WHO SHOULD BE DOING A POST
DOC AND FOR HOW LONG SHOULD THEY
BE DOING IT SO THAT MIGHT BE AN
INTERESTING QUESTION TO DISCUSS
AND ANOTHER QUESTION I WANT TO
PUT OUT THERE FOR SORT OF
PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION, IS
WHETHER NIGMS SHOULD CONSIDER
PILOTING A PROGRAM THAT SUPPORT
THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SKILLED
BIOTECHNOLOGY WORKFORCE AND THIS
COMES OUT OF DISCUSSIONS I'VE
HAD IN OTHER VARIOUS PLACES
CALKING ABOUT YOU HO THEY CAN
GROW THEIR BIOTECHNOLOGY SECTOR
PRIMARILY IN THE COMMERCIAL
SPHERE BUT ALSO THINK BEING THE
ACADEMIC SPHERE AND 1 THING I
HEARD A LOT IS THAT ALTHOUGH
DOCTORAL LEVEL PEOPLE, Ph.D.,
MD-Ph.D., ET CETERA ARE
IMPORTANT, THEY TEND NOT TO BE
THE LIMITING FACTOR THAT TENDS
TO BE ENOUGH OF A MARKET FOR
HIRING PEOPLE AT THAT LEVEL BUT
THE LIMITING FACTOR I'M HEARING
ABOUT A LOT IS AT THE
ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE OR BACHELOR'S
DEGREE LEVEL.
PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAINED IN BEING
TECHNICIANS OR IN RUNNING
PROCESSES FOR MENTORS, YOU KNOW
PURIFICATION, PROCESSES, ET
CETERA, AND SO IT SEEMED LIKE
PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE THINKING
ABOUT GROWING COMMERCIAL
BIOTECHNOLOGY SECTOR IN IDEA
STATES FOR EXAMPLE THAT PERHAPS
A PROGRAM, MAYBE A COMMUNITY
COLLEGE BASED PROGRAM THAT HAD
AN APPRENTICESHIP COMPONENT TO
IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING NIGMS
COULD CONSIDER AND FOR NOT A
HUGE INVESTMENT, WE MIGHT GET A
LOT OF BANG FOR THE BUCK IN
TERMS OF CATALYZING THAT SECTOR
SO I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT ALSO BE
INTERESTING FOR DISCUSSION.
AND WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE
FLOOR.
WE CAN TAKE THE SLIDES DOWN AND
ASK YOU TO TURN YOUR CAMERAS
BACK ON, PLEASE.
GIVE PEOPLE A MINUTE TO TURN
THEIR CAMERAS ON.
THOUGHTS ON THOSE THINGS,
ANYTHING I SAID?
PAM, GO AHEAD?
>> PRETTY EXCITING--SORRY, LOST
MY VIDEO THERE FOR A MOMENT.
VERY EXCITING DEVELOPMENTS HERE.
ONCE OF THE THINGS IN TERMS WHEN
WE WERE DOINGOT WORKING GROUP
DEALING WITH THE BRIDGES TO THE
BACCALAUREATE IS THE IMPORTANT
NEED IN COMMUNITY COLLEGES TO
SUPPORT THE STUDENTS WHO ARE
VERY INTERESTED IN BIOTECHNOLOGY
AREAS AND 1 OF THE THINGS
THAT--SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF
STUDIES AND SO ON, BUT 1 OF THE
THINGS THAT'S VERY INTERESTING
BOTH AT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
LEVEL AS WELL AS THE
UNDERGRADUATE FOR YOUR
INSTITUTION ARE THE FINANCIAL
NEEDS OF THESE INDIVIDUALS.
AND THE WHYED THAT 1 COULD GET
INVOLVED IN THESE KINDS OF JOB
OPPORTUNITIES, CAREER
OPPORTUNITIES, THE THING I WOULD
LIKE TO ENCOURAGE US TO CONSIDER
IS TO BUILD IN BESIDES THE
APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, THE
ABILITY TO TAKE THAT CURRICULUM
AND TO ALSO EVENTUALLY TRANSFER
TO A 4 YEAR INSTITUTION AND
PARTICULARLY MANY TIMES A--THE
EMPLOYER CAN HAVE THOSE FOLKS
CONTINUE ON THEIR EDUCATIONAL
BIT.
BUT SOMETIMES YOU GET SORT OF A
2-TIER POSITION WHERE YOU'RE
EITHER GOING TO GET THAT
POSITION OR HAVE THAT
TRANSFERRED AND TO HAVE THAT
COMBINED WOULD BE OPTIMUM, I
THINK.
>> VERY GOOD POINTS.
WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THOSE
INTO CONSIDERATION AND ALONG THE
SAME LINES, YOU KNOW BE WORTH
EXPLORING WHETHER WE COULD
LEVERAGE THE LOAN REPAYMENT
PROGRAM IN ANY WAY TO FURTHER
HELP REDUCE ANY DEBT THAT THE
STUDENTS HAD INCURRED PREVIOUSLY
OR MIGHT INCUR ALONG THE WAY.
OTHER THOUGHTS?
WE HAVE A LOT OF TIME SO DON'T
BE SHY?
THIS IS THE TIME WHEN COUNCIL
REALLY GETS TO GIVE SOME
THOUGHTS, SAAD?
GO AHEAD?
>> I'M CURIOUS WHAT WAS THE
SECOND LAST SLIDE, I THINK YOU
SAID SOMETHING ABOUT COMMUNITY
BIOTECH?
WHAT DID YOU MEAN?
COULD YOU SAY A FEW MORE WORDS
ABOUT WHAT DID YOU HAVE IN MIND?
>> YEAH, SO, I MEAN THIS COMES
FROM CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD IN
VARIOUS STATES WITH LEADERS BOTH
AT ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS AND
TRYING TO PROMOTE THE COMMERCIAL
SECTOR AND BIOTECHNOLOGY.
WHO SAID THAT MONITOR OF THE
MAJOR BARRIERS THEY SEE, IS A
LACK OF PEOPLE AT THE
ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE LEVEL OR
BACHELOR'S LEVEL WHO HAVE
TRAINING TO BECOME TECHNICIANS
ESSENTIALLY EITHER IN A LAB OR
RUNNING PROCESSES, FERMENTATION
PROCESSES, PURIFICATION, WHAT
HAVE YOU.
AND SO, TO GROW THE BIOTECH
SECTOR IN THOSE PLACES, WHAT I'M
HEARING IS THEY CAN IMPORT
PEOPLE AT THE Ph.D. LEVEL, GET
THEM TO MOVE THERE THAT'S NOT
THE MAJOR CHALLENGE.
THE MAJOR CHALLENGE IS THEY
DON'T HAVE ANYONE TO RUN THE
LABS, RUN THE PROCESSES WORKING
THOSE LABS, SO, YOU KNOW IF WE
WANT TO REDUCE THE BARRIERS TO
BUILDING THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR
IN STATES LIKE MAINE OR KENTUCKY
OR MONTANA, ET CETERA, THAT
SEEMED LIKE MAYBE AN AREA WE
SHOULD FOCUS ON.
SO THAT WAS THE IDEA.
COULD WE CREATE A PROGRAM,
SHOULD WE, COULD WE CREATE A
PROGRAM.
AGAIN MAYBE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH
LOCAL COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT
WOULD GIVE STUDENTS TRAINING AND
THE SKILLS THAT I NEEDED TO MOVE
INTO THOSE KINDS OF CAREERS YOU
KNOW MAYBE IT WOULD THEN HAVE A
COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE AN
APPRENTICESHIP WHERE THEY
ACTUALLY WORKED IN A COMPANY OR
IN AN ACADEMIC LAB TO FURTHER
REFINE THOSE SKILLS, SO THAT WAS
JUST A THOUGHT.
>> COULD I ADD AND OFFER TO
THAT?
>> COMPLIMENTARY PERSPECTIVE FOR
EXAMPLE, THERE WAS A TIME WHERE
WE NEEDED MORE WORKFORCE TO
UNDERSTAND HOW CO CODE COMPUTER
CODE WHICH IS IS NOT TODAY, YOU
CAN DO CODING WITHOUT ACTUALLY
WRITING A SINGLE PIECE OF CODE,
YOU CAN WRITE PROGRAMS IF THAT
SAME ANALOGY HOLDS FOR SYNTHETIC
BIOLOGY, THE BARRIER, THE CODING
LIFE, WHETHER YOU WANT TO MAKE A
VACCINE OR SYNTHETIC NEED OR
LEATHER USING FUNGI, IT'S VERY
HARD BECAUSE YOU CANNOT JUST
PULL UP A WEBSITE OR A CODE TO
WRITE SOMETHING AND MAKE A PLAZ
MIDS MIDBECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS OF
WORK SPACES AND PUBLIC SPACES
WHERE PEOPLE CAN USE 3D PRINTERS
AND LASER CUTTERS TO MAKE A
WIDGET AND ELECTRONIC CIRCUIT
BUT THEY CANNOT DO THE SAME FOR
A CELL, A TISSUE, A PLANT, A
FUNGI TO PRACTICE AND IT COULD
ADD TOW THAT WITH A--TO THAT
WITH A BIOREACT OR SO I THINK IT
WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THESE
CITIZEN SCIENCE PLACES WHERE
PEOPLE COULD LEARN HOW TO PLAY
WITH BIOLOGY LEARN THOSE TOOL
KITS AT CITIZEN SCIENCE LEVEL OR
STUDENT WHO IS WILL HELP
TEACHERS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF
IMPEDIMENT TO THAT.
>> VERY INTERESTING IDEA, VERY
INTERESTING IDEA.
>> CRYSTAL?
>> I ALSO REALLY LOVE THE IDEA
OF AN INTERN SHALL IDEA TYPE OF
OPPORTUNITY FOR MY COLLEAGUES IN
INDUSTRY, THEY'RE ALWAYS TALKING
ABOUT, YOU MENTION FERMENTATION
AND STUFF IN PARTICULAR, THOSE
ARE THE ISSUES WE DON'T USUALLY
HAVE ACCESS TO THAT KIND OF
STUFF IN ACADEMIA, I DON'T HAVE
THE EXPERTISE TO TRAIN THAT.
THE ONLY THING I KIND OF WONDER
ABOUT TOO IS ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE
TRYING TO GROW BIOTECH IN SOME
OF THESE REGIONS, PUTTING SOME
SORT OF INCENTIVE IN SO ONCE
THEY TRAIN, THEY STAY, SO THAT
BOSTON, AND SAN FRANCISCO AND
SAN DIEGO DON'T SNATCH THEM UP.
>> I THINK THAT IS A KEY POINT
AND THAT'S A POINT WE SEE EACH,
YOU TALK ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL
LEVEL, WHICH IS A VERY BIG
CONCERN, WE SEE THAT THE AT THE
ACTUAL COMPANY LEVEL WHERE A
COMPANY STARTS IN KENTUCKY
ACTUALLY BEGINS TO GROW, ABOUT
YOU ONCE THEY GET SIGNIFICANT
VENTURE CAPITAL, THE VENTURE
CAPITALISTS MOVE THEM TO BOSTON
OR SAN FRANCISCO.
SO THIS MAY BE SOMETHING FOR
WENDY AND REENA TO COMMENT ON AS
WELL BUT I THINK YOU ADENTIFIED
A KEY CHALLENGE IN ALL THESE
MODELS.
>> ANGELLA?
>> GOOD MORNING SO I WANT TO
BUILD ON YOUR COMMENT CRYSTAL, I
THINK THAT'S A FASCINATING POINT
ABOUT RETAINING THE TALENT THAT
GETS INVESTED IN AND DEVELOPED
IN OR DEVELOPED BY NIGMS AND
WHEN YOU SAID THAT CRYSTAL IT
MADE ME THINK OF THE U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE THAT
HAS--KIND OF LIKE A QUID PRO
QUO, THE NUMBER OF YEARS YOU'RE
FUNDED TO GIVE BACK TO THAT
PARTICULAR AGENCY OR IN SERVICE
TO THAT WORK AND I JUST WONDERED
ABOUT THAT MODEL AS WE'RE
TALKING, JOHN LIKE THAT, MAYBE
THAT'S 1 WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT
AS KIND OF LIKE AN INSCRIPTION
BECAUSE I HATE TO SAY IT BUT
LIKE MILITARY OR ROKREBS CYCLE,
THAT THE MEMBERS ARE SUPPORTED
THAT YOU GIVE BACK.
SO SUPPORTS THE WORK AND
DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT LOCAL GROUP
OR ENVIRONMENT THAT SUPPORTS
THAT EARLY CAREER PERSON, I LIKE
WHAT YOU SAID SAAD, THE CITIZEN
SCIENTIST APPROACH BUT IT ALSO
MAKES SURE THAT THE BURDEN OF
FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IS BACK
ON THE TRAINEE UNLESS THEY
CHOOSE TO OPT OUT OF THEIR
COMMITMENT.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY
INTERESTING IDEA, THE IDEA OF
SOME KIND OF--SOMETHING SIMILAR
TO WHAT THE MILITARY DOES OR THE
INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE, SIMILAR
AS WELL FOR TRAINING PHYSICIANS.
DEFINITELY WE CAN ADD THAT IS
LOOK INTO IT.
VERY INTERESTING IDEA.
>> JOHN, THIS IS REENA, I DO,A
GREE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A
GREAT IDEA TO HAVE PEOPLE
GETTING TRAINED AND COMMUNITY
COLLEGES.
I THINK FOR US WE SEE THAT EVEN
IF YOU'RE GETTING A BACHELOR'S
IF YOU DON'T HAVE LAB TRAINING,
IT'S REALLY HARD TO--THE
LEARNING CURVE IS HUGE.
YOU HAVE TO TRAIN THEM FOR QUITE
A BIT OF TIME TO GET THEM UPTO
SPEED TO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN
THE COMPANY.
SO I THINK THAT HAVING THIS
TRAINING IN COLLEGES AND
ESPECIALLY COMMUNITY COLLEGES
WHERE THERE ARE TECHNICIANS THAT
GET UP TO SPEED THAT WOULD BE
HUGELY HELPFUL FROM A SMALL
BUSINESS POINT OF VIEW.
>> TERRIFIC, THANK YOU.
ANGELLA DUPACE?
>> YEAH, THANK YOU.
I'M BUILDING ON THE COMMENT
ABOUT THINGS THAT TEND TO BE
ACCESSIBLE IN THE ACADEMIC
COMMUNITY AND THEN NOT RIGHT?
AND THINGS THAT ARE MORE
ACCESSIBLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR
AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT
THAT SOME OF THAT IS TECHNICAL
RIGHT, WHAT THE LABS LOOK LIKE,
WHAT KINDS OF EXPERIMENTINGS
THAT DOING, HOW THEY'RE DOING
THEM, WHAT KIND OF EQUIPMENT
THEY'RE USING, BUT THERE'S ALSO
A LEADERSHIP COMPONENT ABOUT
WORKING IN TEAMS TO POTENTIALLY
TEAMS THAT ARE LARGER, WORKING
IN THE CONTEXT OF A LARGER
ORGANIZATION, ACADEMIA IS NOT
THE SAME IN THE PRIVATE
SECTIONAL ANALYSISAR IN MANY
CASES SO I THINK THAT'S A REAL
LEARNING OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY
TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT GAP
MIGHT BE AND HOW IT MIGHT APLAY
AT DIFFERENT CAREER STAGES
INCLUDE THANKSGIVING 1.
>> VERY INTERESTING POINT.
VERY INTERESTING.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
ACADEMIC MODEL IS MORE ABOUT 1
PERSON.
I MEAN THEIR TEAM AS WELL, BUT
VERY GOOD POINT.
TERRY?
YOU'RE MUTED TERRY?
>> NEVER GET OVER THAT.
THIS REMINDS ME A LOT OF A
PROGRAM THAT EXISTS AT A LOT OF
4 YEAR COLLEGES PARTICULARLY IN
ENGINEERING AND SOMETHING I DID
AND MY DAUGHTER BOTH DID WHICH
IS AN ACTUAL STRUCTURED
INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IN INDUSTRY.
SO WHAT'S FABULOUS ABOUT THOSE
PROGRAMS IS YOU EITHER DO IT IN
THE SUMMER IF YOU'RE AN INTERN
OR IF YOU DO COOPERATIVE
EDUCATION WHICH IS WHERE YOU GO
EVERY OTHER SEMESTER SO, AND IT
COULD EASILY BE TRANSLATED TO
THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE LEVEL, THE
FUNDING COMES FROM THE
UNIVERSITIES, THE FUNDING COMES
FROM THE COMPANIES WHEN THE
STUDENTS ARE WORKING AND THE
NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT ARE
DIRECTLY HIRED OUT OF THAT
PROGRAM IS EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH.
SO I KNOW I WALK RIGHT OUT OF
THERE AND WORKED AS A TECHNICIAN
IN BIOTECHNOLOGY BEFORE GOING TO
GRADUATE SCHOOL.
THE MY DAUGHTER DID THE SAME
THING, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN TELL
YOU THAT STORY SO THERE IS A
STRUCTURE IN THE UNIVERSITIES
WHICH IS REALLY COLLABORATIVE
WITH INDUSTRY WHICH MIGHT BE
POSSIBLE TO BUILD UPON.
>> GREAT POINT.
LIKE VERY HAPPY TO GET MORE
INFORMATION, MAYBE SOME EXAMPLES
OF THOSE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
DAVID?
>> SO THAT ACTUALLY LEADS INTO
SOMETHING I WANTED TO MENTION IN
TERMS OF POST DOCS WHICH IS
GRADUATE STUDENTS IN MY LAB ARE
TENDING TO DO INTERNSHIPS AND
GET JOBS RIGHT AWAY WHEN THEY
GRADUATE AND THAT'S A BIG TREND
THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST
DECADE IS SO THINK ABOUT WHETHER
POST DOCS ARE NECESSARY, IT'S
WORTH THINK BEING WHETHER WE
WANT TO ENCOURAGE INTERNSHIPS
FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS.
>> YEAH, AND THAT'S THE REAP
BETWEEN THE 2 QUESTIONS I POSE,
THAT'S DEFINITELY 1 OF THEM IS
THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING MORE AND
MORE WHAT YOU SAID THAT INDUSTRY
HAS BEEN SHIFTING TOWARDS HIRING
PEOPLE STRAIGHT OUT OF GRADUATE
SCHOOL RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO
POST DOCS AND DONNA GINTHER AND
COLLEAGUES DID A STUDY OF WHAT
THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS ARE OF
DOING A POST DOC AND THEY'RE
HUGE.
SO IF YOU DO A 5 OR 6 YEAR POST
DOC AND THEN YOU GO INTEREST A
CAREER THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE YOU
TO DO A POST DOC AND NOW THAT
INCLUDES INDUSTRY, MORE AND
MORE, THE LOST WAGES, THE LOST
BENEFITS, THE LAST PROMOTION
TIME, THE LOST TRAINING, THOSE
ARE ENORMOUS AND SO THAT WAS THE
GENESIS OF THAT QUESTION WAS
SHOULD PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT GOING
TO GO INTO CAREERS, PRETTY CLEAR
THEY'RE NOT GOING INTO A CAREER
THAT REQUIRES A POST DOC WHICH
IS INCREASINGLY BECOMING JUST
ACADEMIA, DO A POST DOC OR IS
THAT ACTUALLY A VERY BAD THING
FOR THEM TO BE DOING, YOU KNOW
JUST BASED ON OPPORTUNITY COSTS
ALONE?
TERRY DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP
AGAIN?
>> YEAH, I WANTED TO PILE ON TO
DAVID'S COMMENT WHEN YOU LOOK
FOR AN EXAMPLE AT RUT KERS
UNIVERSITY THEY HAD A LONG
STANDING BIOTECHNOLOGY TRAINING
GRANT FOR STUDENTS THAT WAS
FUNDED BY NIH THAT INCLUDED
INTERNSHIPS IN INDUSTRY.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND IT WORKED REALLY GREAT IN
NEW JERSEY BUT AS YOU LOOK FOR
AN EXAMPLE, A PERSON WHO KNOWS A
LOT ABOUT THAT IS ANN STOCK THE
PRESIDENT FOR AMERICAN BIOLOGY,
SHE WAS CRITICALLY INVOLVED IN
THAT, THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE
THAT EXACT MODEL WHERE IF YOU DO
THE INTERNSHIP, YOU MAY BE ABLE
TO GO STRAIGHT INTO INDUSTRY
BECAUSE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO
ASSESS THE TALENT HANDS ON AND
MAKE THAT RECRUITMENT.
>> AND THE BIOTECHNOLOGY PROGRAM
IS AN NIGMS PROGRAM AND HAS LONG
STANDING 1 THAT AS YOU SAY HAS
TO HAVE AN INTERNSHIP IN
INDUSTRY BUT IT'S DESIGNED FOR
PH Ds, SO GETTING PH Ds, SO
ALMOST AN ANALOGOUS THING BUT
FOR THE ASSOCIATE TO BACHELOR'S
LEVEL.
>> OR TO GET RID OF THE
[INDISCERNIBLE] IN THE POST DOC.
>> THESE DAYS IT SEEMS LIKE NOT
EVEN DO AS YOU SAID.
YEAH, MELANIE?
>> SO I GUESS, I LOVE ALL THESE
IDEAS, I THINK THEY WOULD BE
SUPER VALUABLE FOR TRAINING, I
THINK THAT WOULD BE SUPER
VALUABLE FOR IMPROVING, YOU KNOW
ENHANCING THIS SORT OF WORKFORCE
ACCESSIBLE ESPECIALLY TO PEOPLE
IN INDUSTRY.
I WAS JUST HOPING MAYBE JOHN YOU
COULD GO BACK AND HELP ME
UNDERSTAND OR HELP US ALL
UNDERSTAND THE MISSION, LIKE,
HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE
MISSION OF NIGMS AND WHAT IS
INSIDE SCOPE, WHAT IS BEYOND
SCOPE BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE
AWESOME IDEAS BUT OF COURSE
THERE'S A LIMITED BUDGET,
THERE'S LIMITED RESOURCES,
THERE'S LIMITED TIME SO
JUST--LIKE, YEAH, WHEN THIS
TRAINING AT COMMUNITY COLLEGES
AND--YEAH, JUST WHAT IS THE
TRAINING MISSION, WHAT IS THE
RESEARCH MISSION, IF YOU COULD
JUST MAYBE CLARIFY THAT IN A
COUPLE OF SCIENCES JUST SO I CAN
KIND OF WRAP MY HEAD AROUND
THAT.
>> I THINK WE CONSTRUE OUR
MISSION IN TERMS OF WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT VERY BROADLY AND YOU
KNOW WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM
PRE-K THROUGH 12 PROGRAM SEPS,
ALL THE WAY TO FACULTY CAREER
PROGRAMS, YOU HEARD ABOUT MOSAIC
FOR EXAMPLE, SO WE THINK ABOUT
THE ENTIRE PATHWAY.
HISTORICALLY IT HAS BEEN MORE
FOCUSED ON Ph.D. DOCTORAL
LEVEL BECAUSE THAT WAS THE
PRIMARY NEED HISTORICALLY WAS
GETTING PEOPLE IN THOSE, IT'S
STILL TRUE PARTICULARLY IF
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY
BROADLY DIVERSITY, WHETHER IT'S
REGIONAL OR INDIVIDUAL
DIVERSITY, THAT'S STILL TRUE,
BUT YOU KNOW IN YOU THINK ABOUT
TD ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM, THERE ARE
LOTS OF OTHER PARTS OF IT NEEDED
AND THAT'S WHERE THIS IDEA CAME
FROM WAS JUST THINK ABOUT
TECHNICIANS BROADLY, THAT'S A
CRITICAL PIECE, ESPECIALLY IF
YOU ASSUME THAT IN ACADEMIA POST
DOCS WILL BE MORE AND MORE
SCARCE WHICH WILL BE TRUE FOR A
VARIETY OF REASONS.
LABS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR
MODELS SO THEY WILL NEED
TECHNICIANS.
INDUSTRY I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM
AT LEAST THE PLACES I'VE TALKED
TO, THAT'S A MAJOR NEED AND FOR
YEARS WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING
INDUSTRY THROUGH CREATING PH
Ds AND MD-Ph.D.s SO THIS
WOULD BE ANALOGOUS PART OF THAT
SUPPORT OF THE ECOSYSTEM AND OF
COURSE, THE IDEA PROGRAM WE'RE
TRYING TO DEVELOP ALL BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH CAPACITY IN STATES THAT
HISTORICALLY HAVEN'T HAD AS MUCH
BUT THAT INCLUDES THE COMMERCIAL
SECTOR AND THROUGH OUR SBIR AND
STTR PROGRAMS EXPLICITLY WE'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING WITH
THAT.
SO, I THINK, THIS WOULD FIT
IN IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT
LEVELS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW.
DOES THAT HELP?
>> YEAH, THAT HELPS.
I GUESS MAYBE JUST LIKE 1 MORE
QUESTION RELATED TO THAT, SO YOU
IMAGINE A TRAINING GRANT FOCUSED
ON THIS AREA OR DO YOU IMAGINE
IT WRAPPING INTO OTHER
ACTIVITIES?
LIKE DO YOU IMAGINE THIS AS A
DISTINCT AREA OR SOMETHING WHERE
YOU COULD IMAGINE AN ACTUAL
TRAINING GRANT AT COMMUNITY
COLLEGES OR, YOU KNOW--THAT
WOULD FOCUS ON THIS KIND OF
TRAINING.
>> RIGHT.
WE COULD THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT
MODELS, I THINK--THE WAY WE TEND
TO DO THINGS IS THROUGH A
TRAINING GRANT OR RELATED GRANT
ACTIVITY BUT MAYBE THERE ARE
OTHER MODELS.
SOMETHING ANCILLARY TO AN
EXISTING PROGRAM.
WE CAN LOOK INTO IT, IT'S WORTH
THINKING ABOUT.
DAVID?
>> I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO
THE THOUGHT THAT MAYBE WE DON'T
WANT TO ENCOURAGE POST DOCS YOU
KNOW FOR ALL OF OUR Ph.D.
GRADUATES BUT AT THE SAME TIME I
DON'T THINK WE WANT TO
DISCOURAGE IT IN THE SENSE THAT
WHEN I THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW
GRADUATES, Ph.D. GRADUATES
OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, SOME OF
THEM HAVE REALLY BENEFITED FROM
HAVING POST DOCS, MAYBE NOT 5
YEARS, BUT A COUPLE YEARS TO
CONTINUE TO DEVELOP SKILLS OR
DEVELOP SKILLS IN AREAS THAT
THEY WANT TO BE EMPLOYED IN.
SO I THINK AS YOU THINK ABOUT
POST DOCS AND MAYBE WE DON'T
WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM AS MUCH
AS WE HAD IN THE PAST, I DON'T
THINK WE WANT TO DISCOURAGE IT
EITHER FOR STUDENTS WHO ARE
GRADUATING.
>> YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF SOMEONE CAN BE VERY VALUABLE,
ABSOLUTELY, WE SHOULDN'T--IT'S
MORE OF A QUESTION OF
HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN THE
DEFAULT PATHWAY, AND I THINK
THAT PROBABLY NEEDS ADJUSTMENT.
>> YEAH, TOTALLY AGREE WITH
THAT.
>> NATALIE?
>> I HAVE 2 QUESTIONS, THE FIRST
IN THE OPPORTUNITY ANALYSIS, I
ALWAYS THOUGHT THERE WAS A
DIFFERENTIAL IN THE SALARY WITH
POST DOC EXPERIENCE VERSUS
WITHOUT AND IS THAT NOT TRUE
ANYMORE AT LEAST?
THERE'S A BIG BOOST IN TERMS OF
INDEPENDENCE AND YOU KNOW
LEADERSHIP IF YOU DO HAVE POST
DOC EXPERIENCE.
>> IT'S A LITTLE COMPLICATE SIDE
MY RECOLLECTION, I WOULD HAVE TO
GO BACK AND REVIEW THE PAPER IN
DETAIL BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT THE JOB WHEN YOU FIRST GET
IT, SO IF SOMEONE GOES STRAIGHT
TO INDUSTRY FROM A Ph.D.,
VERSUS THEY HAVE A POST DOC THEY
GO STRAIGHT INDUSTRY, MY THEY
THEN GO INTO INDUSTRY, MY
RECOLLECTION IS THE PERSON OR
POST DOC STARTS OFF HIGHER THAN
THE PERSON WHO WENT STRAIGHT AS
THE Ph.D. BUT BY THE TIME THE
PERSON WENT STRAIGHT WITH THE
Ph.D. AND 5 OR 6 YEARS IN,
THEY HAVE A HIGHER SALARY THAN
THE PERSON WHO WENT IN WITH A
BOAST DOC, THAT'S MY--POAT DOC,
THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.
>> SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY DO
THEIR POST DOC TRAINING ON THE
JOB BUT THEN THEY END UP BETTER
OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE IN
INDUSTRY FROM THE START.
>> AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT
IS JUST TO PICK UP ON WHAT DAVE
ASKED, IS THERE FACTORED INTO
THIS ANALYSIS WHAT THE END POINT
OF THE PIPELINE IN 1 DIRECTION
VERSUS ANOTHER WILL BE?
IS THERE ANY KIND OF OR IS IT
SIMPLY WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE
TRAINEE AND WHAT--WHAT WILL
ALLOW THEM TO MAKE AS MUCH MONEY
AS THEY CAN OR DO WHATEVER THEY
WANT?
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT
YOU KNOW ABOUT SHOULD WE BE
TRYING TO INFLUENCE THE END
POINT, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE IN LEADERSHIP TRAINING,
ACADEMICS VERSUS RANK AND FILE
SCIENTISTS?
>> I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT ALL THOSE THINGS IN THIS
PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE THINKING
ABOUT BOTH, WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE
INDIVIDUAL AND WHAT'S GOOD FOR
THE WHOLE SYSTEM, RIGHT?
I MEAN --I INITIALLY WAS THINK
BEING IT BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME
THIS IS A MAJOR BOTTLENECK TO
GROWING THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR IN
CERTAIN PLACES, THAT'S THE
SYSTEM.
BUT THEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT
JOB IS BIOTECH STRAIGHT OUT OF
COMMUNITY COLLEGE OR OUT OF A
BA, TENDS TO BE PRETTY HIGH
PAYING, GOOD CAREER, RIGHT?
THESE DAYS, YOU KNOW GENERALLY
PRETTY GOOD OPPORTUNITIES ONCE
YOU GET THERE AND SO FROM THE
INDIVIDUAL POINT OF VIEW DOING
THAT VERSUS WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE
DONE OTHERWISE COULD BE
SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE IN THEIR
LIFE.
SO, AMY?
>> YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU JOHN
WE WILL SEE LESS AND LESS POST
DOCS AND I'M OBSERVING THIS
MULTIPLE EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE
EITHER GETTING A JOB RIGHT OUT
OF A Ph.D. OR STARTING A POST
DOC AND THEN GETTING A JOB
IMMEDIATELY IN INDUSTRY, BUT
YOU'RE ASKING SHOULD WE
ENCOURAGE POST DOCS, I'M JUST
WONDERING, YOU DO HAVE SPL
CONCRETE STEPS IN MIND TO RESET
THE THINKING?
LIKE HOW IS THIS GOING TO
HAPPEN, ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE
LESS FELLOWSHIPS OR SET SOME
SPECIFIC NEW PROGRAMS?
YOU KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE
ACTION THAT COULD BE TAKEN?
>> SO 2 THINGS, 1 I'M JUST
READING MY CRYSTAL BALL NOW I
DON'T HAVE THIS FOR SURE, BUT IF
I'M GAMBLING I THINK THE POST
DOC STIPEND WILL GET INCREASED
SUBSTANTIALLY, AND THAT BY
ITSELF WILL RESET YOU KNOW THE
SYSTEM BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, IF
YOU'RE GIVING A PERSON MORE
MONEY, THERE WILL BE FEWER SLOTS
SO I SUSPECT THAT WILL BE WHAT
HAPPENS BUT YOU KNOW I COULD
WELL BE WRONG BUT THAT'S WHAT I
THINK WILL HAPPEN.
SO THAT'S A RESET TO THE SYSTEM
THERE.
IN TERMS OF--SORRY--I FORGOT NOW
THE FIRST PART OF YOUR QUESTION
WAS?
>> I WAS BASICALLY ASKING HOW
WE'RE GOING TO DISCOURAGE POST
DOCS AND THE WAY THAT YOU WILL
RAISE THE SALARIES SO HIGH THAT
THERE ARE FEWER FELLOWSHIPS AND
POST OF THEM CAN'T PAY THEM OFF
OUR GRANTS--
>> THEY GET MANY.
>> THEY DO.
>> I THINK THE KEY WILL BE YOU
WON'T BE ABLE TO HAVE AS MANY
POST DOCS BECAUSE THERE'S A
CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY.
SO WILL BE DECIDING DO THEY WANT
TO HIRE 2 POST DOCS OR WOULD
THEY RATHER HAVE POST DOC OR
GRADUATE STUDENT TECHNICIAN,
SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
BUT THE OTHER THINK THIS I WAS
GOING TO SAY WAS, WE HAVE AT
NIGMS FOR SOMETIME IN OUR
Ph.D. TRAINING GRANTS BEEN
REALLY TRYING TO GET
INSTITUTIONS TO EMPHASIZE AS
DAVID WAS SAYING, CAREER
EXPLORATION, AND DEVELOPMENT
EARLY ON IN THE Ph.D. PROGRAM
SO THAT THEY HAVE SOME IDEA OF
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO BY THE TIME
THEY END THE Ph.D. AND GET
THEIR Ph.D.
RATHER THAN POST DOC OWE
OPPORTUNITY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO
WHICH IS WHERE THE OPPORTUNITY
COSTS STARTS TO BITE IF WHAT YOU
WANT TO DO IS NEEDED FOR THE
POST DOC.
SO THE MORE WE CAN GET PEOPLE
EXPLORING CAREERS IN THEIR
Ph.D. OR EVEN AS
UNDERGRADUATES THE BETTER.
I SEE WENDY HAS A REAL HAND UP.
>> I DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T HAVE
THAT HAND RAISING THING MOO I
HAND RAISING THING IN ZOOM, I
WANT TO GIVE REAL LIFE FEEDBACK,
SO HAVE YOU BEEN IN PHARMA
BIOTECH NEAR 30 YEARS,
ABSOLUTELY THE TREND HAS MOVED
FROM POST DOC, POAT DOC WAS
MANDATORY TO GET A JOB TO IT IS
NOT, BUT THE IMPORTANT POINT IS
THAT THE TREND I'VE SEEN IS IT'S
NOT IN CERTAIN DISCIPLINES,
CHEMISTRY IS A PERFECT 1,
Ph.D. AND CHEMISTRY POST DOC
NOT DEEMED AS NECESSARY, BIOLOGY
STILL, MY OBSERVATION IS, IT'S
MORE REQUIRED AND TD RATIONAL AS
I SEE IT IT'S ALL ABOUT
KOMPLEITITION, I ABOUT O TECH IS
TRYING TO GRAB THE DEEMED TOP
TALENT EARLY, AND YOU DO THAT BY
GRABBING THEM AND THROWING BIG
SALARIES IN FRONT OF THEM
EARLIER AND THE POINT ABOUT POST
DOCS I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD
AGREE, OF COURSE ARE VERY
VALUABLE FOR TRAINING, FOR ALL
THE REASONS YOU ALL KNOW.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT
CONSIDERED VALUABLE, IT'S ALL
ABOUT COMPETITION, GRABBING SOME
PEOPLE EARLY.
>> YEAH, THAT MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE.
MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
CHRISTINA?
>> SO I WAS GOING TO FOLLOW UP
ON THE QUESTION NATALIE HAD AND
BASICALLY ECHO WHAT WENDY JUST
SAID IN THE COMPUTATIONAL AREAS
STATISTICS, BIOSTATISTICS
COMPUTER SCIENCE, THE--YOU KNOW
STARTING MAYBE 5 YEARS AGO, THE
DIFFERENTIAL SALARY IS
INCREDIBLE BETWEEN WHAT YOU TAKE
IF YOU GO ACADEMIC PATH VERSUS
ON TO INDUSTRY, SO, YOU KNOW 10
YEARS AGO, THERE WASN'T MUCH OF
AN OPPORTUNITY COST.
YOU COULD GO ON TO A POST DOC
AND MOVE INTO ACADEMIA OR INTO
INDUSTRY AND NOT LOSE MUCH BUT
NOW, IT'S ENORMOUS.
YOU KNOW OUR STUDENTS ARE GET
BEING ASTRONOMICAL SALARIES AND
WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT WE ARE
LOSING OUR BEST PEOPLE IN
ACADEMIA IN GENERAL TO INDUSTRY.
AND I THINK IT'S LARNLLY BECAUSE
OF THESE--LARGELY BECAUSE OF
THESE SOPHISTICATED-CALLED
OPPORTUNITY COSTS.
>> I THINK THAT IS THE REALITY.
RON I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE
ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS SINCE
YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS SPACE FOR A
WHILE.
>> YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUICK
THOUGHTS, ACTUALLY BECAUSE I WAS
ACTUALLY--BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
IT'S ASHES MAZING HOW SOME
THINGS--AMAZING HOW SOME THINGS
DON'T CHANGE A LOT OVER ALL
THESE YEARS.
I ACTUALLY HAD MY CAKE AND EAT
IT TOO, I USE MYSELF AS AN
EXAMPLE.
I ACTUALLY DID MY POST DOC IN
INDUSTRY BACK WHEN IT WAS A
FAIRLY UNPOPULAR THING TO DO FOR
SOMEONE BEING BRED FOR ACADEMIA,
BUT SO I DID BOTH.
I DID THE POST DOC WHICH IS KIND
OF GROOM YOU FOR POSITIONS IN
INDUSTRY, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDED A
PLATFORM TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF
TRANSLATE EITHER BACK INTO
ACADEMIA, SEE THE THOUGHT WAS IF
YOU GO INTO INDUSTRY, YOU WILL
BE LOST FOREVER, YOU WILL NEVER
PUBLISH AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NO
LONGER QUALIFIED AS AN ACADEMIC
AND THAT'S JUST WAS NOT THE CASE
AT ALL.
SO WHEN I WENT TO MERK.
I WAS AT MERK FELLOW AND IT WAS
INCREDIBLE, ABLE TO PUBLISH
WELL, AND THEN MAKING THE
DECISION WHERE TO GO NEXT, AFTER
THE POST DOC EITHER STAY NOTHING
INDUSTRY, OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO
GO ACTUALLY WAS TO GO TO THE
GOVERNMENT, MY GOAL WAS TO GO TO
THE NIH WHICH IS WHERE I ENDED
UP BUT ALSO HAVING OPPORTUNITIES
BACK IN ACADEMIA AS WELL.
I MEAN FOR ME IT WAS AN
INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE AND THERE
ARE SEVERAL, IT'S--I WAS
THINKING OF WENDY, THERE ARE
SEVERAL INDUSTRY PARTNERS, THAT
STILL PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF POST
DOCTORAL EXPERIENCE BUT ALSO
CAREER OPPORTUNITY, WITH
GENENTECH, CAME TO MIND, AMGEN
WHERE WE ARE NOW DOES IT AND I
CAN GO ON AND ON WITH THE LIST,
BUT IT ACTUALLY BROADENED THE
BASE.
WE ALSO HAD IN INDUSTRY, THERE
WERE THINKING ABOUT THE
ASSOCIATES AND BACHELORS, I
THINK THAT'S WHERE WE WERE AT
FIRST WAS OPPORTUNITY INTERNSHIP
PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE LOCAL, THE
UNIVERSITIES WITHIN THE LOCAL I
SAY REGION, I SHOULD SAY BECAUSE
WE'RE IN NEW JERSEY SO IT'S JUST
PRETTY MUCH IN THAT, IN THAT
REGION.
I THINK 1 OF THE CHALLENGES
THOUGH, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS
ISSUES BECAUSE YOU'RE FOCUSING
OR YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE
IDEA STATES AND THAT CAN BE A
BIT OF A CHALLENGE ON A VARIETY
OF LEVELS AND SO MY QUESTION WAS
REALLY, LIKE, HOW DOES THAT--HOW
DOES BEING IN AN IDEA STATE KIND
OF FACTOR IN WITH THE ECONOMICS,
MEANING SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF,
YOU KNOW WORKFORCE FOR INDUSTRY,
YOU KNOW, IS THERE ENOUGH DEMAND
FOR A NUMBER OF STUDENTS OR
TECHNICIANS IN THOSE PARTICULAR
AREAS OR WILL THEY HAVE TO GO TO
SAN FRANCISCO OR BOSTON?
HOW DOES THAT WORK?
>> IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG
PROBLEM THAT CERTAINLY CROPS UP.
THEY CAN'T START COMPANIES FROM
WHAT I'M TOLD BECAUSE THEY DON'T
HAVE THE--THAT LEVEL OF STAFF
AVAILABLE BUT THEN, IF THERE
AREN'T COMPANIES, HOW WOULD WE
HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE THEY COULD
DO EXTERNSHIPS OR THOSE KINDS OF
THINGS.
SO I THINK WOULD HAVE TO DO
MARKET RESEARCH AND WORK THROUGH
THAT AND THINK OF OTHER
ALTERNATIVE MODELS.
MAYBE THERE'S ENOUGH TO GET IT
STARTED AND YOU KNOW YOU BOOT
STRAP YOUR WAY.
YOU KNOW THIS WOULDN'T BE A
THOUSAND PEOPLE TO BEGIN WITH,
THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING
SNOWFALLER JUST TO PILOT TO SEE
HOW THE MODEL WORKED AND MAYBE
YOU START INDEED STATES,
KENTUCKY HAS A MORE ROBUST
BIOTECH SECTOR AND SOME OF THE
OTHER IDEA STATES FOR EXAMPLE,
SO MAYBE CAN YOU DO SOME OF
THOSE THINGS BUT I THINK YOU
RAISED A VERY GOOD POINT THERE.
ONE QUESTION I HAD REGARDING,
YOU KNOW YOUR POINT ABOUT THE
INDUSTRY POST DOCS WHICH IS A
REALLY GOOD 1 THEY HAVE A MUCH
MORE YOU HAVE 3 YEARS OR
SOMETHING AND THEN YOU'RE DONE,
IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
SO THERE WAS A 3 YEAR TIME LIMIT
AND BUT THERE WAS AND INITIALLY,
I THINK FOR LIABILITY PURPOSES
THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE OF FUTURE
EMPLOYMENT WITH THE--HOWEVER, I
THINK PROBABLY ABOUT HALF OF OUR
FELLOWS ENDED UP STAYING ON IN
POSITIONS IN THE COMPANY.
>> YEAH, BUT I THINK THAT THE
FACT THAT INDUSTRY CAN GET YOU
OUT OF A POST DOC IN 3 YEARS OR
LESS IS AN IMPORTANT THING TO
THINK ABOUT WITH THE--YOU KNOW
LENGTHENING TIME ANECDOTALLY OF
ACADEMIC POST DOCS WHICH ARE,
YOU KNOW PEOPLE DOING 5, 6, YEAR
POST DOCS AND MAYBE DOING 2 OF
THEM WHICH ONLY COMPOUNDS
OPPORTUNITY COSTS PROBLEMS.
I HAD A OPPORTUNITY WHO TOOK A
POST DOC GRADUATE STUDENT,
GRADUATED DID A POST DOC AT NEW
ENGLAND BIOLABS FOR 1 YEAR AND
THEN GOT HIRED BY MODERNA.
AND HE PUBLISH INDEED THAT 1
YEAR, HE WASN'T IN THE BI ONY
LAB SO IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO
SHORT POST DOCS AND STILL
ACCOMPLISH A LOT.
ANGELLA?
>> YEAH, SO, THIS IS SORT OF AN
ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT MAYBE WE'VE
BEEN TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE
TRANSITIONS IN THE SYSTEM,
RIGHT?
AS WE POTENTIALLY MAYBE HAVE
FEWER POST DOCS IN ACADEMIC LABS
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING
POSITIONS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR,
LAB SIZE MAY CHANGE, LAB
STAFFING MAY CHANGE, THE KINDS
OF TRAINING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR
NEW PEOPLE MAY CHANGE, RIGHT?
SO THAT'S A LOT, THAT'S LANDING
IN ACADEMIC LABS AND THESE
DIFFERENT PIECES ARE INFLUX AND
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF RAISE
THAT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT OTHER
PLACES IN THE NIGMS SYSTEM MIGHT
NEED TO START LOOKING AT TO
ACCOMMODATE THE SORT OF REAL
WORLD CHANGES THAT PEOPLE ARE
EXPERIENCING IN THIS TIME.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THINKING ABOUT
IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, HOW 1
ACKNOWLEDGES, YOU KNOW SORT OF
CHANGING STAFF, RIGHT?
LABS MAY START TO HAVE DIFFERENT
POPULATIONS IN THEM, PEOPLE WITH
DIFFERENT KINDS OF CAREER GOALS,
THE WAY THAT MANIFESTS FOR
INDIVIDUAL FACULTY AND THE WAY
THAT THEY'RE BOTH TRAINING
PEOPLE AND ASSESSING THEIR
OUTPUT AND ABLE TO ORGANIZE
THEMSELVES AND ALL THOSE THINGS
ARE AT PLAY.
>> I THINK THOSE ARE ALL REALLY
GOOD POINTS, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH
WILL TRAINEES BE SUPPORTED
THROUGH PROGRAMS LIKE MOSAIC AND
THE NEW PROGRAM ARC THAT WILL BE
COMING OUT THAT WILL BE GRADUATE
STUDENTS AND POST DOC
TRANSITION, FELLOWSHIPS,
TRAINING GRANTS, VERSUS ALL THE
RESEARCH GRANTS AND HOW MUCH
WILL PEOPLE BE RETOOLING THEIR
RESEARCH GRANT FUNDS TO BE FOR
LONGER TERM TECHNICIANS, STAFF
SCIENTISTS, THINGS OF THAT
NATURE, I THINK IS GOING TO BE
INTERESTING.
SOME OF THAT'S UP TO THEM,
RIGHT?
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.
WE DO HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO
THINK ABOUT DO WE PUT MORE MONEY
INTO FELLOWSHIPS, MOSAIC, ARC,
THINGS OF THAT NATURE AS WE MOVE
FORWARD, SO I THINK THOSE ARE
KEY QUESTIONS FOR US TO THINK
ABOUT BUT ALSO TO WATCH THE
SYSTEM AND TO PUSH I THINK THE
SYSTEM TO THINK ABOUT DOING
THINGS DIFFERENTLY.
I REALLY THINK THAT WE ARE AT
THE LONG AWAITED KIND OF
COLLAPSE OF THE OLD SYSTEM AND
IT'S NOW TIME TO REALLY FOR
EVERYONE TO EMBRACE, YOU KNOW
CHANGE AND THAT THERE'S A NEW
WAY OF DOING THINGS THAT WILL
HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.
AND SMALLER LAB SYSTEM PART OF
THAT, I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR
YEARS BUT IT'S FINALLY TRUE.
WES, I WILL GIVE YOU THE LAST
WORD AND THEN WE WILL TAKE A
BREAK FOR 10 MINUTES.
>> THIS RELATES BACK TO THE
WHOLE POST DOC THING AND SOME OF
DAVE'S COMMENTS, STEVE'S
COMMENTS ABOUT INTERNSHIPS AND
THEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THE
TRAINING GRANTS HAVE BEEN
PROMOTING EXPOSURE TO
ALTERNATIVE CAREER AND THAT TYPE
OF THING, SO I DO JUST WANT TO
COMMENT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE
HERE AT UC DAVIS, THAT HAS BEEN
A VERY GOOD THING, BUT IT
REACHES A VERY SMALL SET OF
STUDENTS.
SO THEY HOST, THEY HAVE, YOU
KNOW THEY HAVE FORMER STUDENTS
CAN AM IN FROM REGULATORY
AFFAIRS CAREERS AND THIS, THAT
AND THE OTHER SO I'VE HAD
SEVERAL STUDENTS THAT HAVE NOW
FINISHED THEIR Ph.D., AND THEY
HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA BECAUSE
OF THE TRAINING GRANT.
WAYS OF SITTING IN THEIR
INTEREST WITH THE CAREER NOT AT
THE BENCH.
BUT IT'S--YOU KNOW IT'S REACHING
10 STUDENTS A YEAR OUT OF
HUNDREDS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 1
TRAINING GRANT.
AND SO, I WAS JUST SORT OF
THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF
SUPPORTING THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF
IT WAS GM OR ANOTHER INSTITUTE
BUT I REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO
THERE WAS A POLL FOR GRANTS TO
SET UP SYSTEMS TO DO MORE OF
THAT.
>> RIGHT, THAT'S PART OF THE
BEST PROGRAM.
>> IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN.
AND SO MY CRITICISM FOR THAT AT
THE TIME WAS THAT IN TALKING TO
OUR TRAINING GRANT COORDINATOR,
IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF MONEY TO
START A LOT OF THINGS, BUT THEN
WE HAVE NO MONEY TO SUSTAIN
THAT.
AND FROM MY STANDPOINT RUNNING A
SEMINAR SERIES FOR OUR GRADUATE
PROGRAM IS LIKE WE JUST NEED A
LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, A LITTLE
BIT OF MONEY TO HELP BRING IN
SPEAKERS AND EXPOSE THE STUDENTS
TO THINGS BECAUSE LIKE OUR GRAD
PROGRAM LAST YEAR COULDN'T EVEN
AFFORD PIZZA.
YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO HAVE
SOMETHING FOR THE STUDENTS TO
COME AND WE CERTAINLY CAN'T
AFFORD TO PAY SOMEBODY'S COSTS
TO COME UP EVEN FROM THE BAY
AREA.
SO EVEN, YOU KNOW JUST LIKE
SMALL PROGRAMS MAYBE THAT IF YOU
ARE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE
NONBENCH CAREERS AND OTHER
THINGS, SMALL AMOUNTS OF MONEY
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE QUITE HELPFUL
AT LEAST PLACES LIKE HERE.
>> ONE THING I SHOULD MAKE CLEAR
THOUGH IS THAT WE'RE VERY
EXPLICIT IN OUR TRAINING GRANTS
THAT WE EXPECT THEM TO--WE
EXPECT THE ACTIVITIES THAT I
PROMOTE TO HELP ALL THE STUDENTS
IN THAT AREA, NOT JUST THE 1S
THAT ARE APPOINTED TO THE
TRAINING GRANT.
SO, YOU KNOW, UC DAVIS AND THE
TRAINING GRANT THEY HAVE AND
BRING SPEAKERS IN, WE WOULD HOPE
THAT ALL THE STUDENTS IN THE
BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES WOULD
PARTICIPATE IN THOSE WORKSHOPS
IF THEY WANTED TO.
NOT JUST THE STUDENTS WHO ARE ON
THE STRAINING GRANTS.
SO,.
>> YEAH, AND THIS WAS UNDER AN
OLDER DIRECTOR.
CERTAINLY WHEN WE HAVE OUR
RETREATS, EVERYBODY FROM THE
LABS OF THE TRAINERS ARE INVITED
TO COME BUT THEN THEY HAD SOME
OTHER SPECIFIC 1S WHICH WERE
BROWN BAG LUNCHES AND IT WAS
ONLY THE CURRENT STUDENTS AND
THE FORMER STUDENTS SO THEY
COULD INTERACT.
>> I RECOGNIZE THAT AS SORT OF A
FACULTY TO PERSON
COMING--STUDENT TO HONOR COMING
RATIO BUT AGAIN, WE REALLY DO
PUSH, YOU KNOW THE TRAINING
GRANTS WE FUND TO HAVE MORE
BROAD IMPACT ON THE STUDENTS AT
THE INSTITUTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, THIS WAS AN
ABSOLUTELY TREMENDOUS
DISCUSSION.
REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE GREAT
INPUT AND INSIGHTS.
DORIT HAS PUT A LINK FOR THOSE
ON THE ZOOM TO THE TRIBAL HEALTH
KOORINATOR, FEEDBACK LOOP POST
IF YOU COULD HELP US PUBLICIZE
THAT, PLEASE DO.
>> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO
ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN A
POSITION.
>> PLEASE SEND THEM TO DORIT'S
WAY.
WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
LET'S COME BACK AT 11:00 AND AND
WE WILL GET STARTED AGAIN.
SO THANK YOU AGAIN AND 11:00 WE
WILL SEE YOU AGAIN.
>>ALLYSON WILL GIVE
THE RESPONSE TO THE EVALUATION
OF THE NIGMS BRIDGES TO
BACCALAUREATE PROGRAM AND TELL
YOU WHAT WE WILL DO BASED ON THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE WORKING
GROUP.
THANK YOU TAKE IT AWAY.
>> GREAT.
THANKSJOHN.
I THINK WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT
SLIDE.
AS JOHN MENTIONED WE'RE HERE TO
DISCUSS OUR RESPONSES TO THE
RECOMMENDATIONS.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE
REPHRASED THEM EVER SO SLIGHTLY
JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF
BACKGROUND AND CONTEXT BUT WE
KEPT THE SPIRIT OF THE
RECOMMENDATIONS IN FULL.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN READING
THE AREY PORT WE ENCOURAGE YOU
TO DO IT HERE ALONG WITH ALL OUR
OTHER EVALUATION REPORTS.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO THE RESPONSE TO THE FIRST
RECOMMENDATION, THE FIRST
RECOMMENDATION WAS TO IDENTIFY
SUCCESSFUL PRACTICES FOR THE
BRIDGES TO THE BACCALAUREATE
PROGRAM THROUGH CASE STUDIES OR
QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS AND FROM
DATA COLLECTED THROUGH NEW
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
THEY ENCOURAGE THE
RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRACK HOW
THESE PRACTICES ARE AFFECTED BY
THE TRANSITION FROM IN THE PAST,
IT WAS UNDER RESEARCH EDUCATION
OR R25 TYPE OF ACTIVITY THORS
THESE INSTITUTIONAL TRAINING
PROGRAMS KNOWN AS T34S TO THE
PROGRAM STRUCTURE AND USE THE
DATA TO INFORM THE
ADMINISTRATION AND
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM.
SO OUR FIRST RESPONSE TO THIS,
ON THE NEXT BULLET IS TO JUST
EMPHASIZE THAT WE AGREE WHOLE
HEARTEDLY THAT BUILDING
QUALITATIVE CAPACITY IS
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND NAGMS IS
DOING THIS.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE ARE DEVELOPING
RECENT EVALUATION AND PROGRAM
DID SHE BOARDS BASED ON PROGRESS
REPORT DATA SO THIS IS SOMETHING
THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING AND WE
THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
PALGT GOING FORWARD.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE.
WE HAVE 1 EXAMPLE THAT BOUNCES
OFF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE
GROUP THAT WE NOTICE THAT THERE
WERE--WHEN PROGRAMS PROVIDED
ENRICHING ACTIVITIES THAT WENT
BEYOND JUST THE SUMMER RESEARCH
EXPERIENCE, THAT THESE PROGRAMS
WERE CORRELATED WITH SUCCESSFUL
OUTCOMES AND SO, THAT WE
INCORPORATED LANGUAGE INTO OUR
NOTICES OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY
TO ENCOURAGE THE ACTIVITIES THAT
OCCUR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
TRANSITION AND THE BRIDGES TO
THE BACCALAUREATE PROGRAM.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
ALSO WE WILL SHARE PRACTICES
THAT WE BECOME AWARE OF THROUGH
QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS AND DATA
COLLECTIONS BUT I WANT TO
EMPHASIZE WE DON'T WANT TO BE
OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE.
WE DO WANT TO ALLOW EACH PROGRAM
THAT HAVE POSSIBILITIES FOR
INNOVATION AND ALSO TO TAKE THE
CONTEXT INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO AGAIN, WE CAN SHARE EFFECTIVE
PRACTICES BUT WE DON'T WANT TO
BE 2 PRESCRIPTIVE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO FOR THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION
WAS TO DISCUSS PREVIOUS
PRACTICES AND I TALKED ABOUT
THAT IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE BUT
ALSO TO, LOW BUDGETARY
APPROACHES TO APPLICANTS AND
ASHES CARDEES AND THIS IS
IMPORTANT AS WE MENTION THAT
TRANSITION FROM THE R25 TO THE
T32 IN TERMS OF ALLOWABLE COSTS.
FIRST BULLET, THANK YOU.
AS MENTIONED ANY RESULTS FROM
EVALUATIONS AND OUTCOMES ARE
POSTED ON OUR NIGMS WEBPAGE AND
THAT'S 1 WHY WE CAN PERMANENTLY
IDENT--COMMUNICATE OUT OF
SUCCESS PRACTICES WE LEARN BASED
ON QUALITATIVE DATA.
ALSO WE PLAN TO FOR NIGMS
PROGRAMS WE PLAN TO PUBLISH
CLARIFYING LANGUAGE FOR THE USE
OF WHAT ARE KNOWN AS TRAINING
RELATED EXPENSES, EITHER THROUGH
REISSUANCES OF NOTICES OF
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OR
ISSUANCES OF SPECIFIC NOTICES.
WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
IT'S CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY
WHAT'S ALLOWABLE IN TERMS OF
TRAINING RELATED EXPENSES.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE YEARLY
INFORMATION AND OPPORTUNITIES TO
SHARE TO THE APPLICANTS.
WE HAVE A RECENT EXAMPLE WHERE
WE HAD A QUESTION AND ANSWER
OFFICE HOURS FOR THE BRIDGES
PROGRAM THAT WAS HELD ON
AUGUST 16th IN 2023 SO WE DO
HAVE YEARLY OPPORTUNITIES
THROUGH WEBINARS AND OTHER SUCH
THINGS TO SHARE SUCCESSFUL
PRACTICES AND ALSO ALLOWABLE
COSTS THROUGH BUDGETS.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE, SO WE AS
PROGRAM STAFF MEET REGULARLY
WITH THE TRAINING WORKFORCE
TWEPMENT AND DIVERSITY GRANTEE
ORGANIZATION LEADERSHIP SO THESE
ARE FUNDED PROGRAMS THAT HAVE
REPRESENTATIVE LEADERS ACROSS
THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS, WE MET
WITH THEM MOST RECENTLY IN JUNE
OF 2023 AND THAT WAS THE CASE IN
WHICH WE AGAIN WERE SHARING
ISSUES AROUND ALLOWABLE
BUDGETARY APPROACHES AND FINALLY
WE HAVE PUT OUT A NOTICE OF
SPECIAL INTEREST IN PARTICULAR
FOR APPLICATIONS TO SUPPORT
TRAINING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
AND DIVERSITY CONFERENCES.
THIS IS THROUGH THE CONFERENCE
GRANT ACTIVITY CODE, THE R13 AND
I'VE LISTED THE SPECIFIC NOTICE
HERE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY
ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO COME IN
HERE THROUGH THE ACTIVITY CODE
BUT WE PUT OUT A SPECIAL
INTEREST TO HIGHLIGHT THE
IMPORTANCE OF SHARING
INFORMATION ACROSS THE
COMMUNITY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE THIRD RECOMMENDATION WAS TO
INCLUDE THE EXPLICIT GOAL OF
ENHANCING BIOMEDICAL WORKFORCE
ON METRICS THAT WILL HELP
EXAMINE PROGRESS TOWARDS THAT
GOAL.
SUCH AS STEM DEGREES EARNED AND
STUDENTS ACTIVITIES AFTER
GRADUATION.
IN OTHER WORDS FURTHER DEGREES
OR ENTER INTO THE BIOMEDICAL
WORKFORCE.
SO FIRST BULLET PLEASE.
IN RESPONSE TO THIS, I DO WANT
TO EMPHASIZE THAT SUCH LANGUAGE
IS IN THE OVERARCHING GOAL OF
OUR CURRENT NOTICES OF TRAINING
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND
DIVERSITY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES
EXCEPT THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE
SPENDING AUTHORITY, THE EMPHASIS
IS ON BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE.
AND SO THAT IS TRUE ACROSS ALL
OF OUR FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENTS AND
THIS LANGUAGE WILL BE RETAINED
GOING FORWARD.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE.
ALSO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING
CLOSELY WITH THE OFFICE OF STEM
RESEARCH AND COMMONS TO DO
CAREER REPORTING AND TRACKING
ALSO KNOWN AS EXTRACT SYSTEM FOR
ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORTS AT THE
UNDERGRADUATE TRAINING GRANT
LEVEL, THIS WOULD INCLUDE
BRIDGES TO THE BACCALAUREATE
PROGRAM.
SO IT'S ALREADY REQUIRED IN
OUR--FOR OUR PREDOCTORAL AND
POST DOCTORAL TRAINING GRANTS
BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THESE
ENTITIES AT NIH TO MAKE THIS
TRUE ALSO AT THE UNDERGRADUATE
LEVEL, SO THAT WILL ALLOW FOR
THE CAPTURING OF THIS DATA IN A
STRUCTURED WAY ELECTRONICALLY
AND WILL HAVE A BETTER SENSE IN
REALTIME OF THE OUTCOMES AND
TRANSITIONING INTO THE
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH WORKFORCE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THERE WAS FINALLY A BROADER
RECOMMENDATION AND THAT WAS TO
ASSESS THE FEASIBILITY OF
CONDUCTING A BROADER EXAM NATION
OF THE BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE AND NEED FOR COMMUNITY
COLLEGE PREPARED EMPLOYEES OR IN
OTHER WORDS A SKILLED TECHNICAL
WORKFORCE TO GENERALLY INFORM
NIGMS' DIVERSITY EFFORTS.
SO FIRST BULLET PLEASE.
THE OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL
RESEARCH AND THE DIVISION
SPECIFICALLY THE DIVISION OF
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH WORKFORCE
TYPICALLY WILL CONDUCT THIS TYPE
OF ANALYSIS AND WE'VE PUT A LINK
HERE THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO MANY
SUCH ANALYSIS THAT HAVE BEEN
DONE IN THE PAST AND WE SHOULD
SAY THAT WE SHARED THIS
RECOMMENDATION SPECIFICALLY WITH
OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE OFFICE OF
EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH AND THE
DIVISION OF BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE AND THEY WILL
DEFINITELY TAKE IT INTO
CONSIDERATION.
NEXT BULLET.
SO AS YOU KNOW, FROM THE
CONVERSATION THAT JUST HAPPENED,
NIGMS IS EXPLORING OTHER MODELS
FOR BUILDING THE WORKFORCE FROM
THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE LEVEL TO
SUPPORT THE SKILLED TECHNICAL
WORKFORCE AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL
ROBUST DISCUSSION AND WE REALLY
APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHTS ON
THAT.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
ALSO WANT TO NOTE THAT THE
EXTRACT SYSTEM THAT I DISCUSSED
ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE WILL
CAPTURE THE OUTCOME DATA SO
WE'RE GOING TO BE IN A BETTER
POSITION TO START EXAMINING THIS
OURSELVES THROUGH THE STRUCTURED
DATA THAT IT WILL BE COMING IN.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
WE ALSO HAVE A RESEARCH GRANT
PORTFOLIO CALLED THE SCIENCE OF
SCIENCE APPROACH TO ANALYZING
AND INNOVATING THE BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH ENTERPRISE AND WE HAVE
A NOTICE HERE THAT YOU CAN GO TO
TO LOOK AT THIS FUNDING
ANNOUNCEMENT.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE ARE IN
PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE NATIONAL
SCIENCE FOUNDATION ON AND WE
SPECIFICALLY FUND AREAS THAT
HAVE TO DO WITH BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH ENTERPRISE.
NEXT BULLET, PLEASE.
THIS PROGRAM SUPPORTS SCIENTIFIC
ANALYSIS OF THE BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH ENTERPRISE AND EFFORTS
TO FOSTER A DIVERSE INNOVATIVE
PRODUCTIVE AND EFFICIENT
SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE FROM WHICH
FUTURE RESEARCH STOEVERIES AND
SCIENTIFIC LEADERS WILL EMERGE
AND SO WE HAVE A CALL FOR
INDIVIDUALS TO COME IN AND PUT
IN PROPOSALS FOR THIS AND THIS
WOULD FIT IN NICELY WITH THE
BROADER RECOMMENDATION OF THE
COMMITTEE.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK NEXT SLIDE
IS JUST TO SAY--TAKE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AND I DO
WANT TO AGAIN THANK THE MEMBERS
OF THE EVALUATING COMMITTEE AND
ALSO OUR DEMA THE FOLKS WHO PUT
TOGETHER THE DATA FOR THE
ANALYSIS AND REALLY APPRECIATE
ALL THE TIME AND ENERGY THAT
WENT INTO IT.
>> THANK YOU ALISON.
IF PEOPLE WILL TURN THEIR
CAMERAS ON, WE CAN HAVE A
DISCUSSION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON OR
COMMENTS FOR ALISON.
PAM, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS,
SINCE YOU WERE IN CHARGE?
>> THANKS, JOHN.
ALISON, WONDERFUL REPORT AND
WONDFULLY CAPTURED AND I
THINK--WONDERFULLY CAPTURED AND
I THINK THE WORKING GROUP WILL
BE VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE
INCORPORATION AND THE REFRAMING
IN A WAY THAT FITS WITH THE
PROGRAMS AT NIGMS.
IT'S VERY HEARTENING TO SEE THIS
WORK CONTINUE.
>> THANK YOU.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE
TIME AND ENERGY YOU PUT INTO IT.
MUCH APPRECIATED.
>> OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ON
ALISON'S PRESENTATION.
CLEARLY FITS WITH THE DISCUSSION
WE WERE HAVING PREVIOUSLY
AND--GO AHEAD PAM.
>> YEAH, I GUESS THE 1 ASPECT,
IT'S VERY APPRECIATED THE ISSUES
IN TERMS OF A LOT OF THE
INFORMATION THAT WILL BE GOING
OUT IN TERMS OF BUDGETARY
CHANGES AND HOW TO ENCOURAGE
ACTIVITIES THAT WERE VERY
HELPFUL FOR THESE PROGRAMS TO BE
SUCCESSFUL.
I JUST DID 1 AND I MENTIONED
IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THAT WE CAN
DO MUCH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
ASPECT, BUT THE DIFFERENCES IN
THE BUREAUCRATIC SET UPS OF OUR
COMMUNITY COLLEGE COLLEAGUES
VERSUS THE 4 YEAR INSTITUTIONS
AND THAT PARTICULARLY THESE ARE
PARTNERSHIPS AND DEPENDING UPON
WHETHER OR NOT, THE PIs COMING
FROM THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE
ASPECT OR COMING FROM THE 4 YEAR
INSTITUTION, THE KIND OF
INSTITUTIONAL SUPPORT THAT'S
AVAILABLE IS VERY DIFFERENT AND
JUST--THE INTRINSIC NATURE AND
SO JUST KEEPING IN MIND ANYTHING
THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP WITH THE
INFRASTRUCTURES OF THE COMMUNITY
COLLEGES TO MAKE THIS AS ROBUST
AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE
APPRECIATED.
>> GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I THINK
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO HAVE
ON OUR RADAR TO BE ASSESSING THE
TRAINING RELATED EXPENSES AS YOU
KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENTIAL
TRAINING RELATED EXPENSES FOR
WHAT WE CALL THE RESEARCH ACTIVE
INSTITUTIONS VERSUS THE RESEARCH
INTENSIVE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING
THAT WHILE INSTITUTIONS MAY BE
SUPPORTIVE, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE
THE LIQUID FUNDS TO SUPPORT
THINGS IN THE WAYS THAT ARE
NEEDED.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO
BE ON YOUR RADAR TO CONSTANTLY
ASSESS THOSE TRAINING RELATED
EXPENSES AND WHETHER THEY'RE
MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE PROGRAM
SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR
THOUGHTS ON THAT AND PLAN TO
KEEP THAT AS PART OF OUR KIND OF
CONSTANTLY ON OUR TO DO LIST TO
BE PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT SO
THANK YOU.
>> OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS?
ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH
ALISON.
AND AGAIN, PAM, AND THE WORKING
GROUP FOR THE TERRIFIC WORK YOU
DID ON THIS JOB AND WE'RE
GRATEFUL FOR THAT WORK.
AND IN KEEPING THAT WE WILL NOW
HEAR ANOTHER EVALUATION FROM A
WORKING GROUP OF OUR COUNCIL
THIS WAS LED BY TERRY KINZZ AND
BILL GERN, WHO MANY OF YOU MAY
WE CALL WAS A FORMER MEMBER OF
OUR COUNCIL SO TERRY I WILL TURN
IT OVER TO YOU.
>> THANKS
>> THANKS.
APPRECIATE THAT ANDLET
DIRECTOR'S LARRY CORNET AND
MR. EATON AND DIMA KOZAKOV,
BLAKE PETERSON AND ANN BEST WHO
CONTRIBUTED SIGNIFICANTLY TO
THIS REVIEW.
IF I COULD GET THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE WILL START TO TALKING ABOUT
THE DEMA GROUP FOR THE WORK THEY
DID IN PROVIDING US WITH HIGH
QUALITY DATA IN A VERY TIMELY
MANNER AND IN FACT AFTER OUR
MAJOR MEETING COMING BACK WITH A
FEW MORE ANALYSIS THAT WE THINK
REALLY GAVE US GREATER INSIGHT
INTO THE WORK AND REALLY
APPRECIATED THE LEADERSHIP OF
ANDREW AND DAVID AND JAKE WAS
ALSO THERE TO ANSWER OUR
QUESTIONS AND WE WANT TO THANK
THE NIGMS PROGRAM OFFICERS WHO
PARTICIPATE INDEED SOME OF OUR
CALLS AND ANSWERED OUR MANY,
MANY QUESTIONS.
SO I CAN HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE.
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE WILL
DO TODAY.
WE WILL GIVE YOU A BIT OF
BACKGROUND ON THE IDEA, PROGRAM
AND HOW INBRE WORKS IN THIS
PROGRAM AND THEN WE WILL ANSWER
THESE QUESTIONS.
ONE HAS INBRE BEEN EFFECTIVE IN
MEETING OBJECTIVES?
ARE THE OBJECTIVES OF THE INBRE
PROGRAM APPROPRIATE FOR THE
INTENDED IMPACT EXPTION LASTLY
CAN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE PROGRAM
BE OPTIMIZED IMPROVED OR
STRENGTHENED AND END WITH OUR
WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'VE
ALREADY HEARD A BIT ABOUT THE
IDEA.
YOU SAW THE SLIDE REPRESENTING
THE 23 STATES AND PUERTO RICO
THAT ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM WAS AUTHORIZED IN 93
AND IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 20
YEARS.
WE WANT TO POINT OUT FROM THE
WORKING GROUP THAT THERE ARE
ACTUALLY 4 PARTS OF THIS--OR 5
PARTS OF THIS PROGRAM.
ONE YOU JUST HEARD ABOUT WHICH
IS THE I-RED PROGRAM.
THERE'S ALSO THE CENTERS FOR
BIOMEDICAL EXCELLENCE RESEARCH
WHICH HAS A ROLE IN RESEARCH IN
THE IDEA STATES AND PUERTO RICO.
THE IDEA CTRs WITH THE
CLINICAL TRANSLATION AND
RESEARCH NETWORK, CO FUNDING
THAT CAN OCCUR FROM THE INBRE
PROGRAM AND THE INBRE PROGRAM
WHICH ARE NETWORKS OF BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH EXCELNESS.
SO THERE ALWAYS IS A BIT OF A
COMPLEXITY WHEN THERE ARE 5
PARTS TO THE PROGRAM BUT WE
THINK WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN
ANALYSIS SPECIFIC TO INBRE WITH
THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF
THESE OTHER PROGRAMS COULD
CONTRIBUTE PARTICULARLY TO 1 OF
THE THINGS--I WILL CUT TO SOME
OF THE CHASE HERE WHICH IS THE
FACT THAT THE COMMITTEE FELT
THAT THE INBRE PROGRAM IS
IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE
CULTURE OF RESEARCH PARTICULARLY
AT THE PARTNER INSTITUTIONS THAT
WE WILL TALK ABOUT.
SO FIELD FUNCTIONS COULD HAVE
THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AN INBRE PROGRAM HAS A STRUCTURE
DEFINED.
IT STARTED AS BRIN IN 2001 AND
IS NOW INBRE IN 2023.
LET'S START WITH THE
OBJECTIVIVES OF THE PROGRAM,
IT'S ENHANCEMENT AND BUILDING A
NETWORK WITHIN THE STATE OR
PUERTO REEKEE.
FACULTY RESEARCH AND RESEARCH
MENTORING, AND STUDENT
PARTICIPATION IN RESEARCH.
SO IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT OF
THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A
PI TO THE PROGRAM, THERE ARE
CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE CORE
THAT'S REQUIRED, EVERYONE IS
REQUIRED TO HAVE A STUDENT
RESEARCH PROGRAM AS WELL AS
COMMITTEES THAT ARE PART OF THE
WORK.
THEY SUPPORT RESEARCH CORES,
THEY SUPPORT DEVELOPING RESEARCH
PROJECTS WITHIN PROGRAMS, THEY
ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DATA
SCIENCE CORE, AND THEY CONSIST
OF IN THE GREEN AND BLUE BOXES,
THE LEAD INSTITUTION, OTHER
INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER EDUCATION
WITHIN THE STATE OF PUERTO RICO,
INSTITUTES AND OR HOSPITALS THAT
MAY BE PARTICIPANTS AND PUIs
ARE PRIMARILY UNDERGRADUATE
INSTITUTIONS, THEY ALSO INCLUDE
COMMUNITY COLLEGES.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I
WILL GIVE YOU TO EXAMPLES OF AN
INBRE NETWORK.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD
THIS ABOUT OTHER THINGS AND I
WILL SAY THIS NOW, IF YOU'VE
SEEN 1 INBRE NETWORK, YOU'VE
SEEN 1 INBRE NETWORK.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT
KANSAS IT HAS 55 MEMBERS OF
WHICH YOU SEE A SERIES OF
UNIVERSITIES, TWEATD PRIVATE
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES AND 19
COMMUNITY COLLEGES.
SO THE PERCENTAGE OF COMMUNITY
COLLEGES IS AROUND SLIGHTLY LESS
THAN 40%.
IF YOU LOOK AT WYOMING WHICH IS
WHERE MY COLLEAGUE BILL GERN IS
FROM, YOU WILL SEE THERE'S 9
MEMBERS OF WHICH 8 ARE COMMUNITY
COLLEGES SO THERE'S A LOT OF
DIVERSITY IN THE STATES IN TERMS
WHOF ARE MEMBERS WAS THESE
NETWORKS, BUT THE NETWORKS ARE
UNIQUE TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF
EACH STATE.
SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
LET'S UNDERSTAND THE INBRE
PROGRAM AND HOW MUCH FUNDING IT
RECEIVES.
SO IF YOU LOOK HERE BETWEEN 2001
MARKED FOR IDENTIFICATION 2022
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S BEEN AN
INCREASE IN FUNDING OF THE
PROGRAM AND IN THE LAST FEW
YEARS IT'S BEEN BETWEEN NIEPT TO
$90 MILLION IN INCLUDING
SUPPLEMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVED.
I POINT OUT THAT THE ENTIRE IDEA
PROGRAM WAS FUNDED BY
$426 MILLION IN FY23.
SO THIS IS ABOUT A QUARTER THE
OF THE PROGRAM'S FUNDING.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO, WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT OUR
FINDINGS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE 3
PRIMARY INBRE OBJECTIVES SO WE
WILL BREAK THOSE DOWN AND SHOW
YOU DATA PROVIDED BY DIMA, WHICH
CAME PREDOMINANTLY FROM THE
REPORTS OR SUPPLEMENTAL DATA
PROVIDED BY THE INBRE PROGRAMS
THEMSELVES AND SOME DATA FROM
THE NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION
HEARD OR HIRE EDUCATION RESEARCH
AND DEVELOPMENT SURVEY.
THESE ARE DEVELOPING A STATEWIDE
RESEARCH NETWORK AND
INFRASTRUCTURE.
DEVELOPING FACULTY RESEARCH
EXPERTISE AND THIRD, PROVIDING
RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES FOR
STUDENTS.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL START
WITH OBJECTIVE 1.
WE WILL GO AND HIGHLIGHT A FEW
PARTICULAR THINGS WE THINK ARE
IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF ANALYZING
THE 3 KEY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
INBRE PROGRAM.
ONE IS THE INBRE ROLL IN
DEMOCRATIZING CLOUD COMPUTING
FOR BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH AND
TRAINING.
THE NIH FUND XG COLLABORATIVE
GRANTS THAT ARE A RESULT OF
INBRE AND THE NETWORK AND
MEMBERSHIP INFRASTRUCTURE
CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN SEEN IN
THE PROGRAM.
I WOULD ALSO WANT TO STATE THAT
1 OF OUR WORKING GROUP MEMBERS
FELT VERY STRONG IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE ROLE
OF THE INBRE PIs IN THE
PROGRESS TO FORM COLLABORATIONS
AND PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE
MEANINGFUL AND PRODUCTIVE ACROSS
THESE STATES, THE LEADERSHIP IN
THE ABILITY TO BUILD THESE
NETWORKS AND REALLY IMPORTANT.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, IF YOU
REMEMBER AT OUR COUNCIL MEETING
IN MAY, WE HAD A DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE NIGMS SAND BOX AND
INBRE'S DEVELOPMENT IN
DEVELOPING THIS RESOURCE THAT
WOULD HELP TO DEMOCRATIZE THE
COMPUTING AND 1 OF OUR MEMBER
SYSTEM A AN EXPERT IN
COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY AND FELT
THAT THIS PROGRAM IN PARTICULAR
AND THE ABILITY TO DO
COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY AND DATA
SCIENCE WAS REALLY WELL SUITED
FOR INBRE STATES AND PUERTO RICO
AS WELL AS PRIMARILY
UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION OR PUI
PARTNERS AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES
BECAUSE IT COULD BE AN
AFFORDABLE WAY TO ENGAGE
STUDENTS IN RESEARCH.
SO AS A REMINDER ALL INBRE
PROGRAMS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A
BIO-INFORMATICS CORE WHICH WAS
EXPANDED TO A DATA SCIENCE CORE
SINCE 2019 WHAT WE HEARD ABOUT
FROM NIGMS IS THE OFFICE OF DATA
SCIENCE STRATEGY IS THEY PARTNER
TOGETHER TO BRING TOGETHER THIS
CLOUD COMPUTING RESOURCE.
SOW NONAPOPTOTICY KNOW IN 2023,
THE SAND BOX JUST LAUNCHED AND
THAT THE 2024 INBREs AND 60
TWD PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN SELECTED
TO TEST THE PLATFORM, THE
WORKING GROUP JUST WANTED TO
ENCOURAGE THIS WAS AN EXCELLENT
USE OF THE INBRE NETWORK AND WE
ARE EXCITED TO SEE THIS AS A
PRODUCTIVE RESPONSE OF THIS
PROGRAM AS WELL AS ITS ABILITY
TO HELP US SHARE BEST PRACTICE.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WANT TO
SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND
IF YOU DON'T MIND I HAVE TO
CLOSE MY BLIND HERE, IT HAS ALL
THE SUDDEN GOT VERY, VERY, VERY
SUNNY.
SORTING SIGNALS
--SORRY ABOUT THAT.
WHY WANT TO FOCUS IN ON R15
FUNDING.
SO THE NUMBER OF R15 AWARDS HAS
INCREASED IN IDEA STATES SINCE
2010 AND THAT'S SHOWN IN THE BAR
GRAPH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS
SLIDE.
BUT WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRIBUTION,
THE LEAD OR THE R1 INSTITUTIONS
HAVE BEEN ACTUALLY IF ANYTHING
SEEN A REDUCTION RECENTLY IN
R15S AND IT'S A PROBLEM OF THE
NUMBER OF R15S IN TOTAL MEANING
THE PUIs ARE GETTING MORE R15
AWARDS WHICH WAS CONSIDERED TO
BE A REALLY POSITIVE IMPACT OF
INCREASING THE RESEARCH CULTURE
AT THESE INSTITUTIONS AND THE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR FACULTY AND
STUDENTS TO PARTICIPATE IN
RESEARCH.
BUT WHAT'S ALSO REALLY
INTERESTING IS THE DATA WE THEN
RECEIVED FROM DIMA ALSO SHOWED
THAT IN FACT 24 IDEA STATE
INSTITUTIONS RECEIVED SUFFICIENT
NIH FUNDING SINCE 2000 TO
ACTUALLY LOSE THEIR R15
ELIGIBILITY.
AND SO THAT SHOWS A SHIFT OF
SOME OF THESE INSTITUTIONS FROM
AN R15 FUNDING BASE TO MORE RO-1
FUNDED RESEARCH AND SO OTHER
ADDITIONAL PROJECTS ON THE
GROWTH IN THE RESEARCH
ENTERPRISE AT THESE INSTITUTIONS
AND THESE IDEA STATES.
SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A
SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED SLIDE, I
WOULD DRAW KROWR --YOUR ATTENTIO
THE YELLOW STATES ARE IDEA
STATES AND THE BLACK 1 ARE
NONIDEA STATES AND THESE ARE THE
AWARD CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE 2
TYPES OF STATES.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP, THE
R15 AWARD RATE, THERE'S A BIT OF
JIGGLE IN THE LINES BUT
BASICALLY IT'S A VERY SIMILAR
AWARD RATE FOR R15S BETWEEN IDEA
AND NONIDEA STATES AND THAT'S
BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT SINCE
1992.
HOWEVER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE
BOTTOM GRAPH WHAT YOU CAN SEE
FOR THE RO-1 DATA IS THAT
BETWEEN 1992 AND 2003, THE
DIFFERENCE IN AWARD RATES
BETWEEN IDEA AND NONIDEA STATES
WAS 7.2%.
SO THAT WAS 7.2% LOWER IN THE
IDEA STATES.
BUT FROM 1992, AFTER 2003, THAT
DIFFERENCE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO
4.7%.
NOW THAT 4.7% IS FAIRLY
CONSISTENT BUT THERE WAS
DEFINITELY A REDUCTION IN THE
DIFFERENCE OF THE AWARD RATES
BETWEEN IDEA AND NONIDEA STATE
INVESTIGATORS.
ON THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL TALK
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IDEA OF
NETWORKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND
THE LABORATORY STATE SPACE THAT
THEY HAVE.
SO 1 THING THAT WAS CLEAR FROM
THE ANALYSIS IS THAT
INSTITUTIONS HAVE STABLY HAD AT
LEAST 3-7 PARTNERS PERSTATE PER
YEAR.
BUT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN
PARTNERSHIPS THAT INCREASE
BETWEEN 2008 AND 10 AND THE
INBRE NETWORK HAS 120 PARTNERS
ACROSS THE NETWORK SENSE, AND
THE MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP
POINTED OUT THAT DIALOGUE
BETWEEN THE INBRE PROGRAM
DIRECTORS AND NIGMS FOCUSED ON
THE FACT THAT IN FACT, THERE HAD
PREVIOUSLY BEEN A RECOMMENDATION
IN THE NUMBERS TO HAVE AND THE
INTEREST RATES WANTED TO EXPABD
THAT AND THEY THOUGHT THERE WAS
MORE OPPORTUNITY AND THE PROGRAM
COULD SERVE MORE INSTITUTIONS SO
NIGMS HAS GIIVE GREATER
FLEXIBILITY TO THE PROGRAMS TO
INCREASE THEIR NETWORKS AND
THAT'S BEEN SEEN AS REALLY
POSITIVE IN TERMS OF DRIVING THE
CHANGE OF INCORPORATING MORE OF
COLLEGES AND GRADUATE
INSTITUTIONS INTO THE INBRE
NETWORKS.
IN TERMS OF ENHANCING THE
DIVERSITY OF PARTICIPATION,
OVERHALF OF THE HBCUs, HSIs
AND TCCUs IN THE IDEA STATES
OF PUERTO RICOER PARTICIPATING
IN THE INBRE PROGRAMS AND THEN
LASTLY IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT
LABORATORY SPACE, THIS DATA CAME
FROM THE NSF HEARD SURVEY WHICH
IS REPORTED IN A CONSISTENT WAY
NATIONALLY BETWEEN 2007 AND
2001, THE IDEA STATE BIOLOGICAL
AND BIOLABORATORY SPACE
INCREASED BY 50%.
NOW IN NONIDEA STATES, THAT
SPACE GREW BY 40%.
SO WHILE NONIDEA STATES STILL
HAVE 5-6 TIMES MORE BIOMEDICAL
AND BIOLOGICAL RESEARCH SPACE,
WE DID SEE A DIFFERENTIAL IN
TERMS OF GREATERRER GROWTH IN
THE IDEA STATES IN TERMS OF
THEIR SPACE.
WE WOULD ALSO SAY THAT THERE ARE
CORE FACILITIES THAT ARE WERE
THE ISED BY THESE PROGRAMS AND
THEY WERE PRETTY CONSISTENT
ACROSS ALL THESE PROGRAMS AS AN
IMPORTANT FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE
AND UTILIZATION BY ALL OF THE
PARTICIPANTS WITHIN EACH INBRE
NETWORK.
SO NEXT SLIDE.
I WILL MOVE ON TO OBJECTIVE 2
WHICH IS DEVELOPING FACULTY
RESEARCH EXPERTISE AND WE WILL
TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE ASPECTS
OF THE INBRE PROGRAM PORTFOLIOS
WHICH IS FACULTY ENGAGEMENTS,
EFFORTS TO SUPPORT FACULTY
DEVELOPMENT WHAT DO THE GRANT
PORTFOLIOS LOOK LIKE AT THE
INSTITUTIONS AND HOW FACULTY
EXCELLENT AS WE WOULD CALL IT
HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED IN FACULTY
PUBLICATIONS.
AND SO IF WE GO TO THE NEXT
SLIDE.
SO THE SUPPLEMENTAL, THE SERs
DATA WHICH IS THE SUPPLEMENTAL
DATA SUPPORTED BY THE INBRE
PROGRAMS AS PART OF THEIR
REPORTING SHOW A STUDY INCREASE
IN UNIQUE FACULTY AND RESEARCH
PROJECTS.
SO 2017 WHEN THERE WERE ABOUT
400 FACULTY AND RESEARCH
PROJECTS TO 2022, WHICH IS THE
YEAR WE HAVE THE MOST COMPLETE
DATA IS NOW ABOUT 900.
SO THIS IS SEEN AS A REALLY
POSITIVE ASPECT OF ENGAGING MORE
FACULTY IN THESE RESEARCH
PROJECTS AT THE INBRE PROGRAMS
AND ACTUALLY ABOUT 100 TO 125
NEW INBRE FACULTY ARE ADDED
ANNUALLY ACROSS THE NETWORK
WHICH IS ARE NOW TOTALS ABOUT
1243 FACULTY, I GUESS NOT ABOUT,
THATIA A PRETTY EXACT NUMBER
ACROSS THE NETWORK.
SO THERE'S BEEN A VERY LARGE
INCREASE IN FACULTY ENGAGEMENT
IN THE PROGRAM.
AND IN TERMS OF SUPPORTING THESE
FACULTY AND HELPING THEM TO
DEVELOP THEIR RESEARCH BECAUSE
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST
FACULTY AT RESEARCH INTENSIVE
INSTITUTIONS BUT ALSO AT PUIs,
COMMUNITY COLLEGES AND SMALLER
PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS, MOST OF
THE NETWORKS HAVE 1 OR 2 ANNUAL
STATEWIDE CONFERENCES TO BRING
TOGETHER MEMBERS OF THE NETWORK,
THEY ALSO SEND GROUPS OF FACULTY
TO 1 OR 2 GENERAL AUDIENCE
CONFERENCES A YEAR, SO YOU CAN
IMAGINE SCIENTIFIC SOCIETY,
GORDON CONFERENCES, ET CETERA.
AND THEY OFFER SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
10 AND 15 WORKSHOPS A YEAR.
GETTING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT TO 1
OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IS,
THERE'S A LOT OF GEOGRAPHICAL
DISTRIBUTION IN THESE STATES,
SOME OF THEM ARE LARGE
INSTITUTIONS CAN BE FAR APART
AND THE IDEA THAT SOME OF THESE
WORKSHOPS MAY BENEFIT FROM OUR
ABILITY TO DO AS WE ARE DOING
RIGHT NOW MORE OF OUR
COMMUNICATION INTERACTION
VIRTUALLY IS AN INTERESTING
ASPECT OF WHAT MAY BE AN
UNEXPECTED POSITIVE OUTCOME OF
COVID-19 DISTANCING.
SO IF I CAN HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
THE COMMITTEE, THE WORKING GROUP
ALSO LOOK AT THE DATA ON
RESEARCH APPLICATIONS AND AWARDS
AND IN THIS SLIDE, WE'RE
FOCUSING ON THE FUNDING THAT WAS
RECEIVED SPECIFICALLY BY INBRE
INVESTIGATORS AND THIS WAS DATA
THAT WAS SELF-REPORTED BY THE
INBRE PROGRAMS AS PART OF THE
SUPPLEMENT AT REPORTING SYSTEM.
WHAT'S VERY PROMISING TO SEE IS
THAT IN FACT NIH COMPRISES
NEARLY HALF OF THE SUPPORT, SO
THAT IS IN THE BAR GRAPH THAT'S
SHOWN ON THIS SLIDE, THE BLACK
PORTION OF THE BAR IS NIH
SUPPORT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT HAS
SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED SINCE
2017.
THE YELLOW IS NONNIH PH C
SUPPORT THAT BECAME MUCH MORE
APPARENT START NOTHING 2019.
BLUE HASH LINES ARE FEDERAL
NONPH S SUPPORT, SO CAN YOU
IMAGINE D.O.D. AND USF, THOSE
HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY
SINCE 2017 AND THEN NONFEDERAL
SUPPORT HAS INCREASED AS WELL.
THEY'RE--SO THIS WAS CONSIDERED
TO SEEM SUPPORTIVE OF THE FACT
THAT THIS HAS ACTUALLY IMPACT
OFFICE OF DIVERSITY THE ABILITY
OF THE FACULTY TO BE COMPETITIVE
FOR EXTERNAL FUNDING, AGAIN,
FROM NIH, WHICH YOU KNOW IS 1 OF
OUR GOALS HERE, BUT ALSO FROM
OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AS
APPROPRIATE.
IF I COULD GET THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE REPORTED DATA ON
PUBLICATIONS AND IF WE LOOK FROM
2001 TO 2021, YOU CAN SEE THAT
THERE HAS BEEN A PRETTY STEADY
INCREASE IN PUBLICATIONS.
I WILL SAY HERE THAT ALL OF US
WHEN WE LOOK AT DATA FOR 2020,
2021, AND 2022, WE'RE ALL NOG
NIZ ANT OF THE--COGNIZANT OF THE
FACT IT THAT THERE COULD BE
COVID-19 RELATED IMPACTS IN
TERMS OF FACULTY PRODUCTIVITY
AND IMPLICATIONS AND THIS MAY
DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED
WOMEN, PEOPLE WITH
RESPONSIBILITY FOR CARE GIVING
OR CHILDREN BUT THIS IS A
POSITIVE TREND IN TERMS OF
INCREASING FACULTY PRODUCTIVITY
AS MATTERS OF BYPRODUCT
PUBLICATIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN OBJECTIVE 3 IS
PROVIDING RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES
FOR STUDENTS.
SO THE DATA THAT WE WERE
PROVIDED AND THE WORKING GROUP
REVIEWED FOCUSED O A LOT ON
RESEARCH EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS
WHICH I WILL TALK ABOUT.
IMPACT ON THE BIOMEDICAL
WORKFORCE WHICH WE SPEAK ABOUT
FREQUENTLY AT COUNCIL AS WELL AS
EFFORTS TO SUPPORT STUDENT
DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK WE HEARD
A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IN TALKS
ABOUT THE PURCHASE TO THE
BACCALAUREATE PROGRAM, IT'S NOT
JUST ABOUT THE PROGRAM BUT WHAT
ARE THE OTHER THINGS YOU OFFER
TO HELP THESE STUDENTS SO IF WE
GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS IS A
VERY COMPLICATED SLIDE, SO LET
ME START BY EXPLAINING THAT ON
THE SLIDE, THE X IS THE MEAN FOR
THE DATA THAT'S ANALYZED FOR
THAT YEAR, THE LINE WITHIN THE
BOX IS THE MEDIAN.
THE BARS REPRESENT 1.5 TIMES THE
INTER84 TILE RANGE FOR THE DATA
AND THE DOTS THAT YOU SEE ARE
OUTLIERS THAT ARE GREATER THAN
1.5 TIMES THE INNER CORTILE
RANGE AND I HOPE MY DIMA FOLKS I
GOT THAT RIGHT, AND SO, WHAT YOU
CAN SEE IS SINCE THE PROGRAM
STARTED, THERE HAS BEEN AN
INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF
UNDERGRADUATE RESEARCH
EXPERIENCES, IT'S BEEN FAIRLY
STABLE RECENTLY.
MOST OF THESE PROGRAMS IF NOT
ALL OFFER BOTH A SUMMER
EXPERIENCE AND A YEAR LONG
EXPERIENCE.
YOU WILL NOTE THAT THERE HAVE
BEEN SMALL CHANGES IN 21 AND 22.
AND AGAIN THIS IS A QUESTION
THAT MAY HAVE BEEN--WE DON'T
KNOW WHETHER THAT IS IMPACTED BY
COVID-19 OR NOT AND IT'S PRETTY
IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THAT IN
THAT CONTEXT, BUT YOU GO
GENERALLY SPEAKING--BUT
GENERALLY SPEAKING A SIGNIFICANT
NUMBER OF UNDERGRADUATE
EXPERIENCES ARE HAPPENING IN THE
INBRE NETWORK EVERY YEAR.
THE PROGRAMS OFFER TOTALLY FOR
2022, 160 STUDENT CONFERENCES
WORKSHOPS AND SEMINARS WITH
ALMOST 4000 STUDENTS
PARTICIPATING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST THE STUDENTS
PARTICIPATE NOTHING THE RESEARCH
EXPERIENCES THELZ THAT ARE THE
FORMALIZED 1 THAT ARE PART OF
THE INBRE NETWORK AND THEY MAY
PARTICIPATE AS WELL.
SO 4000 AND A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER
OF STUDENTS.
IF I COULD HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE.
WE ALSO LOOKAD DEGREES
CONFERRED.
SO WE'LL START WITH THE DOCTORAL
DEGREES SO THE SLIDE THAT YOU
SEE LOOKS AT DOCTORAL DEGREES IN
IDEA STATES WHICH ARE THE BLACK
CIRCLES VERSUS NONIDEA STATES
WHICH ARE THE YELLOW TRIANGLES
AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE LOOKING
AT THE% OF DOCTORAL DEGREES THAT
ARE GIVEN RELATIVE TO 1990.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE
INCREASE IN DOCTORAL DEGREES
BECAUSE AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW
THERE ARE DIFFERENT NUMBERS OF
STUDENTS AND IDEA STATES VERSUS
NONIDEA STATES AND SO OUR
NUMBERS CAN SOMETIMES BE HARDER
ACTUALLY TO SEE THE IMPORTANT
DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE
THE CHANGES WITHIN THE PROGRAM
WHICH IS WHAT THE WORKING GROUP
WAS REALLY LOOKING AT.
SO DIMA PROVIDED THE DATA THIS
WAY AND YOU CAN SEE THAT NONIDEA
STATE VS INCREASED THE NUMBER OF
DOCTORATES CONFERRED ANNUALLY
SINCE 1990 BY 195%.
BUT IDEA STATES HAVE MORE THAN
DOUBLED AND GONE UP 234%.
SO YOU SEE AS THEY HAVE--IF YOU
WANT TO SAY OVERPERFORMSED IN
TERMS OF INCREASING THE
SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE BY AWARDING
THESE DEGREES WITHIN THE IDEA
STATES.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT BIOLOGICAL AND
BIOMEDICAL BACHELOR'S AND
MASTERS DEGREES AND WITHIN THE
IDEA STATES 90% OF THE
BIOMEDICAL BACHELOR'S DEGREES
AND 99% OF THE MASTERS DEGREES,
HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE
INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE PARTS OF
THE INBRE NETWORK SO IT'S GOT
REALLY STRONG COVERAGE.
AND FOR BOTH BS AND MS DEGREES,
BOTH HAVE APPROXIMATELY DOUBLED
THEIR NUMBER OR BOTH HAVE--SORRY
LET ME REPHRASE THIS.
BOTH IDEA STATES AND NONIDEA
STATES HAVE DOUBLED THEIR NUMBER
OF BACHELOR DEGREES SINCE 1997.
AND SO THERE WE SEE A CONSISTENT
GROWTH IN THE NUMBER OF BACHELOR
DEGREES IN BIOLODGE XAL AND
BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO NOW I'M GOING TO GO TO OUR
FINDINGS.
SO WE WILL FIRST LOOK AT THESE
FINDINGS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO
ANSWER.
SO THE FIRST 1 WAS: HAS THE
INBRE PROGRAM BEEN EFFECTIVE IN
MEETING OBJECTIVES?
AND THE UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS OF
THE WORKING GROUP WAS YES.
COUPLE POINTS IN TERMS OF
MEETING THIS OBJECTIVE IS THAT 1
THAT NIGMS' LONG-TERM COMMIT TO
SUPPORTING THE INBRE FOR THE
CULTURE PARTICULARLY AT THE
UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTIONS THAT
HAVE RESULTED IN THE GROWTH OF
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH CAPACITY
WITHIN THE 23 IDEA STATES AND
PUERTO RICO.
AND THAT THIS CONSISTENT SUPPORT
HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS BEING
CRITICAL TO THE TIME THAT IT
TAKES TO ESTABLISH THESE
NETWORKS AND BUILD THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE.
ANOTHER POINT THAT WAS MADE IS
IT IS EFFECTIVE IN MEETING
OBJECTIVES BUT WHILE WE'RE LOOK
BEINGA THE THAT AS A WHOLE, SOME
COMPARISONS OF STATE BY STATE
OUTCOMES COULD BE HELPFUL SO FOR
EXAMPLE, MORE INFORMATION FOR
WHAT HAS OR HASN'T WORKED FOR
EACH STATE COULD BE BENEFICIAL
TO THE ENTIRE NETWORK AND IT WAS
MADE CLEAR THIS WAS A WELL
COORDINATED GROUP OF PROGRAMS
THAT DO MEET TOGETHER AND SHARE
PRACTICES AND THEY ALSO PUBLISH
PEER REVIEWED ANALYSIS OF R OF
THEIR PROGRAMS AND THE WORKING
GROUP PROVIDED A VERY GOOD
COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF THESE
FINDINGS FROM MULTIPLE OF THE
PROGRAMS THAT DOES ALLOW YOU TO
LOOK MORE INTO DETAIL AND LOOK
AT HOW EVERY STATE COULD BENEFIT
FROM SOME OF THESE MOST
EFFECTIVE PROGRAMS.
THE SECOND QUESTION WAS ARE THE
OBJECTIVES APPROPRIATE FOR THE
INTENDED IMPACT AND AGAIN THE
UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS OF THE
WORKING GROUP WAS YES AND 1 OF
THE THINGS THAT WAS CLEAR IS
WERE THE OBJECTIVES CONSISTENT?
THAT THE DIVERSITY OF STATES AND
INSTITUTIONS MAKE THE
FLEXIBILITY THAT'S IN THIS
PROGRAM AN ASSET AND FACTOR IN
ITS SUCCESS AND SHOULD BE
MAINTAINED AND I WILL GO BACK TO
WHAT ALICE SON SAID IN TERMS OF
THE BRIDGES TO THE BACCALAUREATE
WHERE YOU HEARD SOMETHING
SIMILAR WHICH IS WE LOVE BEST
PRACTICES BUT DOESN'T MEAN IT
WILL WORK EVERY WHERE AND THAT
WAS VERY CLEAR AGAIN IN THE
BIRNTION BECAUSE OF THE
INSTITUTIONS AND THE STATES.
SO WHAT ARE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO THE QUESTION OF CAN CERTAIN
AREAS OF THE PROGRAM BE
OPTIMIZED, IMPROVED OR
STRENGTHENED?
SO THE COMMITTEE, WORKING GROUP
WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IT IS
STILL--IT IS GREAT--THERE IS
GREAT DIFFICULTY OF ASSESSING
TREND DATA FROM 2020-2022 DUE TO
COVID IMPACTS AND SO WE TOOK
CARE AND WE HOPE THAT IN THE
FUTURE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO
TAKE CARE IN ASSESSING THIS
PERIOD AND HOW IT WAS IMPACTED
IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO
HAD EXPERIENCED REAL PROGRAMS AS
A PART OF THAT.
THE WORKING GROUP WOULD LIKE TO
RECOMMEND THAT WE INCLUDE THE
EXPLICIT GOAL OF ENHANCING
DIVERSITY IN THE BIOMEDICAL
WORKFORCE, AND COLLECT
APPROPRIATE DATA ON METRICS THAT
WILL HELP TO DETERMINE PROGRESS
TOWARDS THAT GOAL.
ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS THAT
THE SHIFT TO VIRTUAL MEETINGS
HAS AFFECTED ENGAGEMENT SO
STATES WITH GEOGRAPHIC
LIMITATIONS COULD BENEFIT MORE
FROM THE SHIFT TO VIRTUAL
MEETINGS ALTHOUGH 1 THING THAT
THE WORKING GROUP WOULD LIKE TO
SEE IS MORE SYSTEMATIC
INFORMATION PARTICIPATION IN
THESE PROGRAMS PARTICULARLY BY
FACULTY.
AND THEN LAST WHILE THERE IS NOT
SUFFICIENT DATA ON TEACHING
RESEARCH BASED COURSES, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT COULD BE
CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE.
PART OF THE PROGRAM IN TERMS OF
FACULTY BEING RECOGNIZED FOR
TEACHING RESEARCH BASED PROGRAMS
PARTICULARLY AT PRIMARILY
UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTIONS AND
COMMUNITY COLLEGE SYSTEM
IMPORTANT FOR ENGAGING STUDENTS
IN BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH AND
HELPING TO PREPARE A LARGER
NUMBER OF STUDENTS AND THAT
COULD BE CONSIDERED AS SOMETHING
THAT IS PART OF HOW THIS PROGRAM
IMPACTS THE RESEARCH NETWORK,
THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FACULTY
DEVELOPMENT AND STUDENT
DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN FOR A BROUGHTER
RECOMMENDATION, THE COMMITTEE
FELT THAT QUALITATIVE OR
ANECDOTA TESTIMONIALS ARE
IMPORTANT IN CONTINUING THE WAYS
INBRE HAS AFFECTED THE RESEARCH
CULTURE AT THE PARTNER
INSTITUTIONS.
SO DIMA DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF
GLEANING FOR US FROM THE REPORTS
EXAMPLES WHERE WE COULD
UNDERSTAND WHEN WE THINK ABOUT
WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE
PROGRAM HOW IT'S ACTUALLY
PERCEIVED BY THE PARTNERS AND OF
THOSE WE CHOSE 1 PARTICULAR
QUOTE THAT CAME OUT OF 1 OF THE
PROGRESS REPORTS.
INBRE PROVIDES AUCNIQUE
OPPORTUNITY AT THE COLLEGE BY
SUPPORTING THEIR PARTICIPATION
IN RESEARCH.
THIS WOULD NOT OCCUR WITHOUT THE
SUPPORT OF INBRE.
SO IF I KKD GET THE NEXT
SLIDE--CAN GET THE NEXT SLIDE.
BILL AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS OR CONTRIBUTE
IN ANY WAY FOR DISCUSSION ABOUT
THIS REVIEW.
>> THANK YOU TERRY AND BILL.
REALLY TREMENDOUS WORK ON THAT.
BILL, DID YOU WANT TO ADD
ANYTHING?
>> TERRY DID A GREAT YOB ON
THIS.
I WOULD ADD 1 MINOR POINT AND
THAT IS THAT I THINK IT REALLY
SHOULD BE HIGHLY RECOGNIZED THE
WORK OF NIGMS RELATIVE TO THE
SAND BOX AND TRUSTING
INBRE INSTITUTIONS AS A PLACE TO
WORK ON HOW TO MAKE THE SAND BOX
WORK FOR THE WHOLE NATION SO
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING
THAT.
IT WAS APPRECIATED IN OUR GROUP.
>> GREAT.
THANK YOU.
>> I WILL HOPE THE FLOOR, THEN
FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
ANY THOUGHTS?
LET'S SEE PAM, GO AHEAD.
>> THANKS, TERRY AND BILL.
REALLY APPRECIATE LEARNING A LOT
MORE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND I
REALLY APPRECIATE IT AS WELL THE
NOTION ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF
THESE NETWORKS AND HOW IMPORTANT
THAT IS AND I THINK THAT'S--IT'S
REALLY HELPFUL TO UNDERSCORE
BOTH THE REPORT THAT ALLYSON
JUST GAVE AND THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU FOLKS
HAVE MADE IS ELUCIDATING BEST
PRACTICES BUT ALSO NOT BEING
PRESCRIPTIVE BECAUSE THEN IT'S
NOT POTENTIALLY NOT RESPONSIVE
TO THE CULTURE OF THE
ENVIRONMENTS.
AND I THINK THAT'S 1 OF THE
THINGS THAT HAS BEEN REALLY
HELPFUL TO HAVE SORT OF AGAIN AN
ENTREPRENEURIAL SPIRIT WHERE YOU
CAN SHARE BEST PRACTICES SO THAT
PEOPLE CAN SELECT THOSE ELEMENTS
THAT ARE PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE
IN THEIR OWN ENVIRONMENT.
SO REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK
THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE.
>> OKAY, DANIELLE?
>> I WAS WONDERING IF YOU GD SAY
MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU THOUGHT WHEN
YOU LOOKEDDA THE DATA AND WHAT
YOU THOUGHT SUCCESS OR FAILURE
MIGHT LOOK LIKE?
AND ANY THOUGHTS ON COST
EFFECTIVENESS AND HOW WE SHOULD
THINK ABOUT THE COST OF THE
PROGRAM WERE TWICE AS MUCH WOULD
WE HAVE SAID IT WAS SUCCESSFUL
OR WHAT ARE SOME METRICS WE HAVE
IN MIND?
>> I'LL GO FIRST AND THEN I WILL
HAVE BILL GIVE HIS PERSPECTIVE.
I THINK FOR ME, IT'S 1 THING TO
SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INVITE
PARTNERS AND HAVE A NETWORK,
IT'S ANOTHER THING FOR THEM
ACTUALLY TO PARTICIPATE AND I--I
SEE PAMELA SHAKING HER HEAD, YOU
CAN SAY COMMUNITY COLLEGES, WE
WANT TO WORK WITH YOU BUT ARE
YOU REALLY A PARTNER IN AND I
THINK FOR ME THERE WAS AN EFFORT
TO GROW PARTNERSHIPS, THE EFFORT
TO GROW THE NUMBER OF
PARTICIPATING INSTITUTIONS THAT
AND THAT YOU SEE SO MUCH SUCCESS
IN THE PUIs IN TERMS OF THEIR
GOING AFTER MORE R15S WHICH IS
COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY
APPROPRIATE.
IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START
PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE AN
UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION, I
THINK WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS
THAT IT WASN'T JUST THE LEAD
INSTITUTION BENEFITING THAT THEY
WERE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE REALLY
TRULY BROADLY MAKING A STATEWIDE
NETWORK AND I THINK THAT THAT
WAS VERY CLEAR, SO TO ME FAILURE
WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THEY WEREN'T
WORKING TO GROW THE NETWORK, IF
THEY WERE A LARGE NUMBER OF
INSTITUTIONS THAT WERE
PARTICIPATING, I WOULD SAY
THAT'S A MAJOR GOAL.
I WOULD SAY ANOTHER 1 IS THAT
JUT FOR ME PERSONALLY, WAS ARE
WE--ARE WE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING
THE FACULTY TO ACTUALLY INCREASE
THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO RESEARCH
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE A PRIMARILY
UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTION,
HAVING THE TIME DO THE RESEARCH
IS DIFFICULT, IS IT RECOGNIZED,
ARE YOU GETTING NOT JUST HERE'S
MONEY TO DO IT, THERE'S A
MENTORING COMPONENT OF THIS IS
THAT IS REALLY IS PROBLEMATIC
AND I WILL SAY THOSE ARE MY 2
MAJOR 1S I WAS LOOKING FOR.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WOULD SAY
IS THAT I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE
OF THE FLEXIBILITY GIVEN TO THE
PIs OF THESE PROGRAMS AND THE
VARIOUS STATES THEY HAVE BEEN
VERY EFFECTIVE IN LOOKING AT
PARTS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WORK
AND PARTS OF THE PROGRAMS THAT
DO NOT WORK.
SO BECAUSE OF THE IDIO
SYNCRATTIC NATURE OF THE PROGRAM
WITHIN THE STATES ISSUES THE
PIERKs HAVE GOTTEN RID OF
PARTS OF THESE PROGRAMS,
ELEMENTS OF THE PROGRAMS AND
THAT SHOULDN'T MEAN THAT IN ANY
LARGE WAY BUT THINGS THAT THEY
THOUGHT WOULD WORK BUT THEY
DIDN'T WORK.
SO THEY'RE REALLY ALWAYS IN A
CONSTANT ENDEAVOR TO SHAPE THE
PROGRAM PROGRAM WITHIN THEIR
STATES SO THAT THEY'RE WORKING.
ANOTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS,
THAT WE DID NOT SEE OR HEAR FROM
ANY OF THE COMMITTEE OR PEOPLE,
LIKE LARRY CORNET WHO HAS HIS
EAR ON THE GROUND ABOUT THESE
PROGRAMS OF ANY INSTITUTIONS
WITHIN THE VARIOUS STATES
STEPPING BACK FROM THE PROGRAM.
THEY'RE WORKING FOR THOSE
INSTITUTIONS AND SO, I THINK
THAT IF THEY WEREN'T, THEN THEY
WOULD SAY, WELL, WHY DO THIS?
AND THEN THE FINAL THING I WOULD
SAY IS THAT CHANGING THE
RESEARCH CULTURE AT THE
ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL OF THESE
UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES
BECAUSE AS THEY START TO GET
FACULTY THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE
THEY'RE HAVING TO SET UP THE
ADMINISTRATIVE STRUCTURE WITHIN
WHAT WOULD BE A RESEARCH OFFICE
TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE A FUNDING
STATE FROM AN R15 AWARD OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE SEEING THIS KIND OF
GROWTH WITHIN THESE INSTITUTIONS
GOING ON.
I THINK THE PROGRAMS ARE COST
EFFECTIVE AND THE ABILITY
TO--THE ABILITY TO PLACE FUNDS
INTO THESE INSTITUTIONS TO PUT
TOGETHER THE KIND OF
INFRASTRUCTURE NECESSARY TO DO
RESEARCH HAS BEEN IMPORTANT.
AND 1 OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD
COMMENT ON IS THAT COBRA, THE
CENTERS FOR BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
EXCELLENCE HAVE A MAJOR
INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT IN THEM
AND THEY WILL OFTEN TIMES SHARE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE MANY OF THESE
INSTITUTIONS HAVE BUILT IMAGING
FACILITIES AND SO, IN
BRE FACILITY HAS BEEN PUT
TOGETHER BY COBRE FUNDS SO THE
FUNDS DON'T SIT INDIVIDUALLY IN
THESE INTERTUITIONS THEY
SOMEWHAT INTERLOCK AND THE
INTERLOCK TO THE POINT WHERE
THEY CAN AND SO I THINK THAT
THAT'S REALLY AN IMPORTANT
ELEMENT OF THE PROGRAMS AS WELL.
>> FOLLOW UP?
>> YES I WAS WONDERING IF I
COULD FOLLOW UP ON THE STUDENT
ENGAGEMENT PART?
ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT
BECAUSE THESE UNIVERSITIES
INTERACT A LOT WITH UNDERGRADS
AND WITH STUDENTS STUDENT SORT
OF AS THEIR PRIMARY STRENGTH.
I FOUND THE RESULTS ON KIND OF
STUDENT ENGAGEMENT A BIT
DIFFICULT TO INTERPRET.
ONE YOU COULD TALK ABOUT WHETHER
THE TRENCH SHOULD GO UP OR DOWN
AND COVID BUT THE OUTCOME
MEASURES IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS
LIKE ANY ENGAGEMENT IN A
RESEARCH EXPERIENCE SO IF I
SHOWED UP FOR 30 MINUTES OR
LIKE--SOME OF IT'S A YEAR LONG
EXPERIENCES, SOME OF IT IS--IT
WOULD BE USEFUL FOR ME TO THINK
ABOUT, YOU KNOW ARE MORE PEOPLE
OR MORE STUDENTS AT THESE
SPECIFIC INSTITUTIONS TAKING
STEM MAJORS?
ARE THEY TAKING STEM JOBS AFTER
GRADUATION?
ARE THEY GOING ON TO POST
GRADUATE WORK?
LIKE THINGS LIKE THAT RATHER
THAN DID A PARTICIPATE IN A
PROGRAM BECAUSE IF WE GIVE THEM
MORE PROGRAMS, SO THERE WILL BE
MORE PARTICIPATION BUT I THINK
IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO THINK
ABOUT THE STICKINESS OF THOSE
EXPERIENCES.
>> YEAH, SO I WILL CLARIFY THAT
THE GRAPH THAT SHOWED
PARTICIPATION WAS PARTICIPATION
IN A STRUCTURED RESEARCH PROGRAM
WHETHER IT WAS SUMMER OR YEAR
LONG.
SO THAT IS A SMALLER NUMBER OF
STUDENTS.
THE 4000 IS STUDENTS THAT DO ANY
OF THE INBRE PROGRAMS LIKE THE
CONFERENCES OR WORKSHOPS SO IT'S
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IS THE
EXPECTATIONS YOU HAVE A SMALLER
NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES WHERE
YOU HAVE THE FUNDS TO
PHYSICALLY, YOU KNOW TO MATCHEM
THEM WITH A MENTOR AND PAY THEM,
AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THE 1S
THAT ALSO BENEFIT FROM THE
PROGRAM BUT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
WE DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF THAT
DATA ABOUT WHERE DO THEY GO AND
WHAT DO THEY DO, AND IT IS--WE
ALSO TALKED ABOUT NOT WANTING TO
MASSIVELY INCREASE THE
ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN ON THESE
PROGRAMS BECAUSE IT CAN BE VERY
HARD TO TRACK STUDENTS.
AS FORMER GRADUATE SCHOOL DEAN
FIGURING OUT WHERE STUDENTS GO,
FIGURING OUT WHAT DATA IS
AVAILABLE IN THE NATIONAL
STUDENT CLEARINGHOUSE IS 1 OF
THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES THAT
EVERY PROGRAM HA HAS
UNDERGRADUATES FATING NIH AND
NIGMS HAS DONE A GOOD JOB IF YOU
PUT A STUDENT ON THEY NEED TO
GET THEIR COMMONS IDEXPZ I KNOW
HOW HARD IT IS TO GET STUDENTS
TO DO THAT.
THAT IS A DATA CHALLENGE WE
RECOGNIZE AND I THINK WE ARE
LOOKING AT WAYS TO CALCULATE
THAT, PART OF THAT IS LOOKING AT
THEM AS STATES AS WELL, AND
VERSUS PROGRAMS AND WE CAN GET
IDEAS BUT WE WERE ALSO
INTERESTED WE'VE HAD THIS
DIALOGUE AS WELL, IF THE STUDENT
WAS IN WYOMING AND GOT THEIR
BACHELOR'S THERE, DID THEY STAY
THERE, DID THEY MOVE, AND THAT'S
SORT OF FUTURE DATA THAT WOULD
HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT IN A
DIFFERENT WAY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, BILL?
>> YEAH, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE
GROSS GRANULAR LEVEL AND THAT IS
THAT THE NUMBER OF BACCALAUREATE
DEGREES IN BIOMEDICAL SCIENCES
OR BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES ARE
INCREASING, THE MASTERS ARE
INCREASING, Ph.D.s ARE
INCREASING, POST RATES LOOK LIKE
THE REST OF THE NATION.
I DID A QUICK LITTLE ANALYSIS I
KNOW THE PEOPLE AT DEMA WILL
START PULLING THEIR HAIR OUT
RIGHT NOW BUT THE POPULATION IN
IDEA STATES IS ABOUT, WELL IN
NONIDEA STATES IT'S 5 MORE TIMES
THAN IN IDEA STATES.
SO YOU KNOW THESE PROGRAMS
PROVIDE THIS KIND OF RESEARCH
INITIATIVE TO STATES WHERE
THERE'S NOT A GREAT DEAL OF
POPULATION BUT NONETHELESS THE
IMPORTANT POINT IS THEY ARE BIG
PROGRAMS AND YOU CAN SEE THE
INCREASE IN THESE--AT LEAST IN
THE DEGREES WHICH IS A MEASURE
THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IS THE SAME
AS AS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE
NATION SO I THINK THE PROGRAMS
ARE WORKING.
BUT I--I ALSO THINK THAT YOU'VE
ASKED A REALLY GOOD QUESTION AND
THESE DATA ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO
TO SORT OUT TO TRACE WHERE WHERE
YOUR GRADUATES HAVE GONE AND ARE
THEY DOING.
>> DID TERRY MENTION THE NUMBER
OF PUBLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
ON INBRE AND IN SEVERAL CASES
WHERE THEY HAD MATCHED GROUPS OF
STUDENTS WHO PARTICIPATED IN
INBRE AND DIDN'T, MATCHED
ACCORDING TO GP As AND SELF-
REPORTED INTEREST AND THINGS
LIKE THAT?
THE INBRE PARTICIPATING STUDENTS
HAD A MUCH HIGHER RATE OF GOING
ON TO GET DOCTORAL DEGREES IN
SCIENCE FIELDS OR IN MEDICINE
THAN THE NONINBRE STUDENTS AND 2
OR 3 DIFFERENT STUDIES LOOKED AT
THAT.
THE TROUBLE IS THOSE ARE
INDIVIDUAL STATE INBREs, NOT
THE ENTIRE NETWORK.
>> YEAH, PERSONALLY I FIND THAT
KIND OF ANALYSIS A LOT MORE
CONVINCING BECAUSE I STATE LEVEL
TIME TRENDS WILL LEAD TO THE
INBRE, I--IT'S--
>> CAUSAL CONNECTIONS ARE ALWAYS
DIFFICULT IN THOSE KINDS OF.
>> THOSE CAUSAL CONNECTIONS ARE
DIFFICULT BUT THE PRESENTATION
DID IMPLY THAT RELATIONSHIP SO I
THINK WE SHOULD STEP AWAY FROM
THAT.
>> WE DO ALSO KNOW THAT THE
OTHER PROGRAMS WITHIN THE IDEA,
UMBRELLA ARE HAVING AN IMPACT AS
WELL.
YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE A--IF YOU
HAVE A COBRE GRANT YOU MAY HIRE
UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS TO WORK
ON IT SO YOU MAY PUT THEM IN A
DIFFERENT SUMMER PROGRAM.
WE DO THINK THE SUM IS GREATER
THAN THE PARTS OF THIS THAT
HAPPENS AS WELL.
LIKE COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHY WE
WANTED TO GIVE THE CONTEXT OF
WHAT THE OTHER PROGRAMS ARE.
I WILL SAY THE FACT THAT THE
PHs THAT ARE AWARDED WENT UP
REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN
THE NONIDEA STATES WAS THE 1
PIECE OF DATA WE THOUGHT WAS A
LOT OF IT WAS SIMILAR BUT THAT 1
WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AND
WORTH MORE EXPLORATION.
>> OTHER THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS?
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I THINK THIS SINCE THIS IS A
WORKING GROUP OF COUNCIL,
TECHNICALLY COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED
TO ACCEPT THE REPORT SO I WILL
JUST ASK, ARE THERE ANY
OBJECTIONS TO COUNCIL ACCEPTING
THE REPORT?
OKAY, HEARING NONE I WILL ASSUME
THAT THE COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY
AGREES TO ACCEPT THE REPORT AND
I WILL VERY MUCH AGAIN THANK
TERRY AND BILL AND THE WHOLE
WORKING GROUP FOR THE TREMENDOUS
WORK THEY DID ON THIS, I THINK
VERY HELPFUL TO THE INSTITUTE TO
HAVE THIS KIND OF ANALYSIS.
AND THANKS FOR THE VERY RICH
DISCUSSION THERE.
SO WE WILL NOW GO TO SOME
CONCEPT CLEARANCES, AS OUR LAST
ORDER OF OFFICIAL BUSINESS HERE.
AND IF WE COULD TURN YOUR
CAMERAS OFF AND WE WILL COME
BACK ON AT THE END.
SO, AS USUAL, WE HAVE A NUMBER
OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE--WE ARE
HOPING TO REISSUE, TO CONTINUE
THE PROGRAMS IN MOST CASES
EITHER WITH NO CHANGES OR MINOR
CHANGE AND I WILL GO THROUGH
EACH 1 IN TURN, NONE OF THESE
ARE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A
LARGE PRESENTATION ON ANY
PARTICULAR PROGRAM, JUST SHORT
PRESENTATIONS THAT I WILL GIVE
ON EACH OF THESE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SOY TD FIRST IS MAXIMIZING
OPPORTUNITIES FOR SCIENTIFIC AND
ACADEMIC INDEPENDENT CAREERS OR
MOSAIC, YOU HEARD ABOUT THIS
PROGRAM SO I WON'T GO OVER AGAIN
HOW IT WORKS.
WE FOR THE K99 R00 PORTION OF IT
WOULD LIKE TO REISSUE IT WITH NO
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
AND ERICA ARE WE GOING TO TAKE A
VOTE AFTER EACH PART?
>> YEAH, WE WILL.
>> OKAY, NEXT SLIDE.
>> YEAH, THERE'S MORE.
OKAY.
>> SO I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO IS
THE K99 AND THE UE5 TOGETHER,
RIGHT?
>> RIGHT.
RIGHT.
SO K99 PORTION, NO SUBSTANTIAL
CHANGES.
AS I MENTIONED IN MY
PRESENTATION FOR THE UE5S WHICH
ARE THE MENTORING CENTERS, WE
HAVE CHANGED ALREADY THROUGH A
NOTICE AND THIS WILL BE PROP
GATED INTO THE NOTICE OF FUNDING
OPPORTUNITY ANNOUNCEMENT ITSELF,
THAT WE ARE EXPANDING THE
ELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS TO
INCLUDE HIGHER EDUCATION
INSTITUTIONS AND EXPANDING THE
ELIGIBLE PDPIs TO INCLUDE
FULL-TIME FACULTY MEMBERS AND
ACADEMIC ORGANIZATIONS AND THAT
AGAIN IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET
SEVERAL MORE CENTERS
PARTICULARLY IN NEUROSCIENCE
PHYSIOLOGY AND POPULATION HEALTH
STUDIES AND WE DEEMED THAT BY
EXPANDING THE POOL OF ELIGIBLE
INSTITUTIONS WE WOULD BE MORE
LIKELY TO GET THOSE INSTITUTIONS
OR ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES.
ERICA DO YOU WANT TO CALL FOR A
VOTE.
>> YEAH, SO JUST ON LOGISTICS
HERE SO TO KEEP THE VOTING
PROCEDURE TREME LINED IN THIS
VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT, I WILL GO
AHEAD AND CALL FOR A MOTION AND
I WILL PROVIDE THE MOTION AND
ASK FOR ANY OPPOSITION TO IT, SO
JUST PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND
USING THE RAISED HAND FEATURE IN
ZOOM.
IF YOU OBJECT TO THE MOTION AND
THAT WILL KEEP THIS STREAMLINE
FOR VOTING.
SO FOR THIS FIRST INITIATIVE I
MOVE WE APPROVE THIS CONCEPT FOR
FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS A FUNDING
OPPORTUNITY.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND TO
INDICATE NO, ANY OPPOSED?
ANY OPPOSED TO MOVING THIS
FORWARD FOR DEVELOPMENT OF
FUNDING OPPORTUNITY?
OKAY, MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED.
>> EXCELLENT THANK YOU.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE NEXT IS INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS
TO ENHANCE RESEARCH TRAINING OR
IPERT.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO
SUPPORT CREATIVE EDUCATIONAL
ACTIVITIES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO
EQUIP A DIVERSE COHORT OF
PARTICIPANTS WITH TECHNICAL
OPERATIONAL AND PROFESSIONAL
SKILLS ACQUIRED FOR SKILLS IN
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH.
THE PROGRAMS INCLUDE COURSES FOR
SKILLS DEVELOPMENT, THEY ALSO
HAVE TO HAVE MENTORING
ACTIVITIES AND ROBUST EVALUATION
OUTREACH DISSEMINATION AND
SUSTAINABILITY PLANS.
SO THIS IS A SPACE THAT WE
PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY TO DO
INNOVATIVE THINGS THAT ARE NOT
TRAINING GRANTS.
OBVIOUSLY OUR BREAD AND BUTTER
IS SUPPORTING TRAINING GRANTS
BUT SOMEBODY HAS AN IDEA IN SOME
PROGRAM THAT WILL COMPLEMENT OUR
TRAINING GRANT'S ECOSYSTEM OR DO
SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THIS
GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO
APPLY FOR FUNDING TO DO THAT.
AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY
SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE
PROGRAM.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO FUND A
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SORTS OF
THINGS AND A VARIETY OF
DIFFERENT CAREER LEVELS.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE
TAKE A VOTE.
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU HAVE A
QUESTION OR COMMENT.
ALL RIGHT, I'M NOT HEARING ANY.
ERICA?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY.
ANY OPPOSED?
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
>> ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
THE NEXT IS RESEARCH ON
INTERVENTIONS THAT PROPLOAT THE
CAREERS OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH ENTERPRISE.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT SUPPORTS
RO-1s TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO
RESEARCH ON THE INTERVENTIONS
THAT MIGHT PROMOTE SOMEONE'S
BIOMEDICAL CAREER AND THESE
COULD BE RESEARCH INTO OUR
EXISTING PROGRAMS OR INTO A NEW
MODEL FOR A PROGRAM TO GET AT
SOME OF THE KINDS OF QUESTIONS
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE
INBRE EVALUATION HAS DANIEL
POINTED OUT DIFFICULT TO MAKE
CAUSAL YOU KNOW CLAIMS ABOUT
UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY SET IT UP IN
ADVANCE AS AN EXPERIMENT.
SO THE IDEA HERE IS TO ALLOW
RESEARCHERS TO DO THOSE KINDS OF
ANALYSIS, AND WE WANT TO REISSUE
THIS PROGRAM BUT WITH MINOR
UPDATES TO ADDRESS THE SCOPE AND
THE RIGOROUS KINDS OF RESEARCH
PROJECTS THAT WE WILL SUPPORT.
FOR EXAMPLE PREVIOUSLY, THEY
WERE EXPECTED TO BE RUNNING THE
PROGRAM THAT THEY WERE TESTING
THEMSELVES SO IT WAS AN
EXPERIMENT THAT THEY HAD TO DO
BUT WE DID WANT TO OPEN THIS
SPACE UP FOR PEOPLE TO DO EITHER
PREINTERVENTION RESEARCH OR
SECONDARY RETROSPECTIVE DATA
ANALYSIS ON QUALITATIVE,
QUANTITATIVE OR MIXED METHODS
SORTS OF DATA.
THAT WOULD ALLOW, WE THOUGHT A
BROADER POOL OF SORTS OF
DIFFERENT RESEARCH TO BE DONE.
SO THE PROPOSED PURPOSE CHANGES,
WITH ADDITIONS UNDERLINED OR
SHOWN BELOW, THE IDEAS WE'VE
SEEN ENCOURAGES APPLICATIONS
THAT PROPOSE RIGOROUS RESEARCH
DESIGN TO INFORM OR TEST
INTERVENTIONS TO ENHANCE
RESEARCH ORIENTED INDIVIDUALS
INTEREST MOTIVATION PERSISTENCE
AND PREPAREDNESS FOR CAREERS IN
THE BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE.
SO THAT JUST OPENS THE SPACE UP
A LITTLE BIT FOR THE KINDS OF
RESEARCH THAT THIS PROGRAM CAN
SUPPORT.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT
THAT?
>> ALL RIGHT, I MOVE WE APPROVE
THIS CONCEPT FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT AS A FUNDING
OPPORTUNITY.
ANY OPPOSED?
THIS 1 IS ALSO APPROVED.
>> ALL RIGHT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN THE BRIDGES TO THE
DOCTORATE PROGRAM, PARTNERSHIP
PROGRAM, SO, THIS IS A PROGRAM
WE EVALUATED, A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT
EVALUATION MADE SOME MINOR
CHANGES TO IT BASED ON THE
EVALUATION, THE GOAL OF THE
PROGRAM IS TO DEVELOP A DIVERSE
POOL OF WELL-TRAINED BIOMEDICAL
SCIENTIST WHO IS WILL TRANSITION
FROM MASTERS DEGREE PROGRAMS AND
THEN COMPLETE RIGOROUS
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH FOCUS
DOCTORAL DEGREE PROGRAMS SUCH AS
Ph.D.s OR MD-Ph.D.s IN
BIOMEDICAL FIELDS THAT ARE
RELEVANT TO THE NIGMS MISSION,
WE WANT TO REISSUE THIS FOR
ELIGIBILITY BUT NO OTHER CHANGES
TO THE PROGRAM.
WE DIDN'T MAKE MAJOR BUT WE MADE
SOME CHANGES TO THE PROGRAM
AFTER THE EVALUATION.
WE WANT TO CHANGE THE
ELIGIBILITY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE IN THE
FOLLOWING WAYS SO CURRENTLY, THE
ELIGIBILITY IS THAT THE MASTERS
DEGREE INSTITUTION HAS TO GIVE
MASTERS DEGREES IN THE TERMINAL
BIOMEDICAL--AS IT TERM NAT
BIOMEDICAL INSTITUTION THEY GIVE
SO THEY CAN'T GIVE PH Ds ARE
EXAMPLE, WE WOULD LIKE TO TWEAK
THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT
MASTERS DEGREE IS THE TERMINAL
BIOMEDICAL GRADUATE DEGREE, IS
PART OF THE ELIGIBILITY BUT--OR
THEY CAN BE HBCUs AND
UNIVERSITIES OR TRIBAL COLLEGES
OR UNIVERSITIES AND WE WANT TO
MAKE THIS CHANGE BECAUSE THERE
ARE A FEW HBCUs AND TCUs
THAT HAVE ADDED A GRADUATE
PROGRAM ON A Ph.D. LEVEL
PROGRAM TO THEIR UNIVERSITY IN A
BIOMEDICAL AREA AND THAT MADE
THEM INELIGIBLE AND GRANT A
COUPLE PH Ds A YEAR THAT WAS
ELIMINATING THEM FROM
PARTICIPATE NOTHING IN PROGRAM
DESPITE THE FACT THEY HAD A VERY
ROBUST AND PRODUCTIVE MASTERS
DEGREE PROGRAM THAT HAD
PREVIOUSLY BEEN SUPPORTED IN
PART THROUGH THIS PROGRAM AND SO
WE WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF
ROOM FOR THOSE INSTITUTIONS NOT
TO SUDDENLY BECOME INELIGIBLE
JUST BECAUSE THEY ADDED THE
ABILITY TO GIVE A FEW PH Ds A
YEAR AND THEN, FOR THE Ph.D.
GRANTING ORGANIZATION,
PREVIOUSLY SAID THEY MUST BE
RESEARCH INTENSIVE BUT WE
RECOGNIZE THAT THAT WAS FAIRLY
LIMITING BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME
INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE Ph.D.
PROGRAMS THAT ARE ROBUST BUT
DON'T QUALIFY AS RESEARCH
INTENSIVE INSTITUTIONS THAT
MIGHT BE VERY GOOD PARTNERS FOR
THE MASTERS PROGRAMS.
AND SO, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO
SAY INSTEAD IS SOMETHING ALONG
THE LINES THERE HAS TO BE A WELL
DESCRIBED PARTNERSHIP WITH CLEAR
BENEFITS FOR TRAINEES AND FOR
BOTH ORGANIZATIONS RATHER THAN
AN EMPHASIS ON THE RESEARCH
INTENSIVE ASPECT OF THE Ph.D.
GRANTS AND ORGANIZATION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT?
OKAY.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY?
ANY OPPOSED?
THANKS.
MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
>> NEXT SLIDE.
I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST 1.
GOOD.
OKAY.
WE CAN TAKE THE SLIDES DOWN.
TURN OUR CAMERAS BACK ON.
AND THANK YOU EVERYONE SO THAT'S
THE OFFICIAL BUSINESS OF OUR
OPEN SESSION ANY ISSUES,
COMMENTS, THINGS PEOPLE LIKE TO
BRING UP FOR NOW OR FOR FUTURE
MEETINGS.
PEOPLE TURN THEIR CAMERAS ON.
ALL RIGHT, I'M NOT HEARING
ANYTHING BUT WE ENCOURAGE YOU AT
ANY TIME TO SEND US YOUR
THOUGHTS AND IDEAS FOR
DISCUSSION TOPICS AT FUTURE
MEETINGS, THEY CERTAINLY HAD AN
EXTREMELY ROBUST SERIES OF
DISCUSSIONS HERE.
WE ARE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE WHICH
IS GREAT.
WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTION TO
OUR STARTING THE CLOSED SESSION
AT 1:15?
INSTEAD OF 1:45?
ANYONE HAVE COMMITMENTS THAT
WILL PREVENT THEM FROM DOING
THAT.
SEEING PEOPLE SAY NO, THAT'S
FINE SO WE WILL RECONVENE, THOSE
OF YOU COMING WHICH ARE ALL THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE CLOSED
SESSION.
WE WILL RECONVENE AT 1:15.
REMEMBER IT'S A DIFFERENT LINK
THAN THE 1 YOU USED HERE, SO
IT'S JUST A CLOSED SESSION LINK.
AND I WILL SEE YOU ALL AT 1:15.
HAVE A GREAT LUNCH.
OR WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO,
BREAKFAST IF YOU'RE ON THE WEST
COAST.
[LAUGHTER]
SEE YOU ALL AT 1:15.