1 00:00:05,322 --> 00:00:07,257 WELCOME TO NIH. 2 00:00:07,257 --> 00:00:08,225 I'M DORIT ZUK, 3 00:00:08,225 --> 00:00:09,259 I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR 4 00:00:09,259 --> 00:00:11,895 OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GENERAL MEDICAL SCIENCES, 5 00:00:11,895 --> 00:00:13,897 FORMALLY KNOWN AS NIGMS. 6 00:00:14,865 --> 00:00:16,934 I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE MEETING. 7 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:17,868 I'M HOPING WE'RE GONNA HAVE 8 00:00:17,868 --> 00:00:20,337 A REALLY INTERESTING DISCUSSION TODAY. 9 00:00:20,337 --> 00:00:22,139 I DID WANNA REMIND EVERYONE 10 00:00:22,139 --> 00:00:26,843 THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING BROADCAST ON A ZOOM AS WELL, 11 00:00:26,843 --> 00:00:29,346 AND THERE ARE 150 REGISTRANTS, 12 00:00:29,346 --> 00:00:32,482 SO ALTHOUGH YOU GUYS IN THE ROOM WILL BE THE ONES 13 00:00:32,482 --> 00:00:35,319 WHO'LL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND ASK QUESTIONS, 14 00:00:35,319 --> 00:00:39,823 THE CONTENT IS GOING OUT TO A LOT MORE PEOPLE. 15 00:00:39,823 --> 00:00:41,592 AND WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, 16 00:00:41,592 --> 00:00:44,428 I'M JUST GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MONICA HOOPER, 17 00:00:44,428 --> 00:00:47,631 AND SHE'S GONNA START OFF THE FIRST PANEL. 18 00:00:47,631 --> 00:00:49,299 - [MONICA] GOOD MORNING, CAN YOU HEAR ME? 19 00:00:49,299 --> 00:00:50,901 - [AV TECH] YOU WILL HAVE TO USE THE MICROPHONE. 20 00:00:50,901 --> 00:00:51,735 - SHE HAS A MIC. 21 00:00:51,735 --> 00:00:52,669 - [MONICA] I HAVE A LAVALIER. 22 00:00:52,669 --> 00:00:53,804 - [AV TECH] TURN IT ON THEN. 23 00:00:53,804 --> 00:00:55,172 - [MONICA] IT'S NOT ON? 24 00:00:55,172 --> 00:00:57,074 - [AV TECH] IT PROBABLY WILL WITHOUT THE BOX. 25 00:00:57,074 --> 00:00:57,908 - HOLD ON. 26 00:01:06,283 --> 00:01:07,951 OKAY, THAT'S BETTER. 27 00:01:09,186 --> 00:01:11,088 OKAY, SO I WANNA START BY WELCOMING YOU. 28 00:01:11,088 --> 00:01:12,289 I'M MONICA WEBB HOOPER, 29 00:01:12,289 --> 00:01:14,424 DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE 30 00:01:14,424 --> 00:01:16,460 ON MINORITY HEALTH AND HEALTH DISPARITIES. 31 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:17,928 WELCOME TO NIH. 32 00:01:17,928 --> 00:01:19,062 WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE 33 00:01:19,062 --> 00:01:21,531 THAT ALL OF YOU HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO BE HERE. 34 00:01:21,531 --> 00:01:23,133 AND AS MY COLLEAGUE DR. ZUK MENTIONED, 35 00:01:23,133 --> 00:01:24,401 WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD 36 00:01:24,401 --> 00:01:28,171 TO ONE AND A HALF DAYS OF VERY RICH DISCUSSION. 37 00:01:28,171 --> 00:01:30,040 IN OUR FIRST SESSION, 38 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,843 WE WILL START WITH CONVERSATION 39 00:01:32,843 --> 00:01:35,612 AND DIALOGUE WITH NIH LEADERSHIP, 40 00:01:35,612 --> 00:01:36,947 WHO YOU SEE HERE. 41 00:01:36,947 --> 00:01:40,384 I WILL ASK EACH OF THEM TO COME TO THE PODIUM, 42 00:01:40,384 --> 00:01:41,351 OR YOU COULD SIT THERE, 43 00:01:41,351 --> 00:01:43,553 WE DO HAVE A CLICKER HERE ALSO FOR YOU. 44 00:01:43,553 --> 00:01:46,523 AND THEY'LL START WITH ABOUT FIVE MINUTES 45 00:01:46,523 --> 00:01:49,593 OF JUST OPENING ABOUT THEIR INSTITUTES, 46 00:01:49,593 --> 00:01:51,161 OFFICES, THEIR MISSION 47 00:01:51,161 --> 00:01:53,730 TO SORT OF SET THE STAGE FOR SOME OF THE DISCUSSION. 48 00:01:53,730 --> 00:01:55,699 AND THEN AFTER EACH OF THEM HAVE HAD A CHANCE 49 00:01:55,699 --> 00:01:56,933 TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES 50 00:01:56,933 --> 00:01:58,602 AND SHARE WITH YOU FOR A BIT, 51 00:01:58,602 --> 00:02:01,638 THEN WE WILL HAVE A MODERATED DISCUSSION 52 00:02:01,638 --> 00:02:03,006 THAT MOSTLY WILL BE GENERATED 53 00:02:03,006 --> 00:02:04,241 BY THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ASK. 54 00:02:04,241 --> 00:02:05,208 SO WE HOPE THAT YOU'VE COME 55 00:02:05,208 --> 00:02:06,376 WITH A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THINGS 56 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:07,511 THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN 57 00:02:07,511 --> 00:02:11,114 SINCE YOU HAVE THEIR FULL ATTENTION FOR THIS SESSION. 58 00:02:11,114 --> 00:02:14,584 AND THEN WE'LL LET THE CONVERSATION MOVE ON, 59 00:02:14,584 --> 00:02:16,253 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT MEETING, 60 00:02:16,253 --> 00:02:17,888 OR THE NEXT PART OF THE MEETING. 61 00:02:17,888 --> 00:02:19,389 SO AGAIN, WELCOME, 62 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:24,094 AND I THINK IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM, 63 00:02:24,094 --> 00:02:24,928 YOU CAN DO THAT, 64 00:02:24,928 --> 00:02:26,963 OR IF YOU'D LIKE TO SIT 65 00:02:26,963 --> 00:02:27,798 AND MOVE THROUGH 66 00:02:27,798 --> 00:02:29,633 THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WAY. - SITTING'S OKAY. 67 00:02:29,633 --> 00:02:30,467 - [MONICA] SITTING'S OKAY? 68 00:02:30,467 --> 00:02:31,435 - I'M GOING TO THE PODIUM. 69 00:02:31,435 --> 00:02:33,070 - [MONICA] YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE PODIUM. 70 00:02:33,070 --> 00:02:34,538 - [ELISEO] OH, WHO'S FIRST? 71 00:02:34,538 --> 00:02:35,572 - [MONICA] YOU ARE FIRST. 72 00:02:35,572 --> 00:02:36,406 OKAY, SO. 73 00:02:36,406 --> 00:02:37,774 (ALL LAUGHING) 74 00:02:37,774 --> 00:02:39,242 SO WE'LL START WITH THE DIRECTOR 75 00:02:39,242 --> 00:02:40,944 OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON MINORITY HEALTH 76 00:02:40,944 --> 00:02:41,878 AND HEALTH DISPARITIES, 77 00:02:41,878 --> 00:02:43,880 DR. ELISEO PEREZ-STABLE. 78 00:02:45,849 --> 00:02:47,651 - GOOD MORNING. 79 00:02:47,651 --> 00:02:51,221 I THINK THE SLIDES ARE INCLUDED HERE, YEAH. 80 00:02:52,255 --> 00:02:53,090 OKAY, SO. 81 00:02:54,491 --> 00:02:56,426 BRIEFLY, NIMHD STARTED, 82 00:02:58,195 --> 00:02:59,596 THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON MINORITY HEALTH 83 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:02,366 AND HEALTH DISPARITIES STARTED IN 1990 AS AN OFFICE 84 00:03:02,366 --> 00:03:04,301 IN THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR. 85 00:03:04,301 --> 00:03:08,208 IT WAS AN ACT THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY DR. LOUIS 86 00:03:08,208 --> 00:03:09,039 SULLIVAN, 87 00:03:09,906 --> 00:03:13,176 WHO WAS THEN SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. 88 00:03:13,176 --> 00:03:16,346 IN THE YEAR 2000 THROUGH LEGISLATION, 89 00:03:16,346 --> 00:03:18,682 IT WAS ELEVATED TO A CENTER 90 00:03:18,682 --> 00:03:19,616 THROUGH THE MINORITY HEALTH 91 00:03:19,616 --> 00:03:22,686 AND HEALTH DISPARITIES RESEARCH AND EDUCATION ACT. 92 00:03:22,686 --> 00:03:26,456 THAT'S WHEN OUR FOUNDATION EXISTS TODAY 93 00:03:26,456 --> 00:03:28,892 WHERE WE HAD GRANT AUTHORITY, 94 00:03:30,227 --> 00:03:31,328 GRANT-MAKING AUTHORITY, 95 00:03:31,328 --> 00:03:35,031 AS WELL AS FOCUSING ON MINORITY HEALTH 96 00:03:35,031 --> 00:03:36,066 AND HEALTH DISPARITIES, 97 00:03:36,066 --> 00:03:38,235 OUR DRIVERS OF DISPARITIES 98 00:03:40,570 --> 00:03:43,106 BASED ON THESE SORT OF SOCIAL IDENTITY 99 00:03:43,106 --> 00:03:45,642 OR SOCIAL CLASS FACTORS 100 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:48,211 THAT AFFECT POPULATIONS IN DIFFERENT CONTEXTS, 101 00:03:48,211 --> 00:03:50,280 PARTICULARLY BY GEOGRAPHY 102 00:03:51,381 --> 00:03:53,049 AND ALSO CONDITIONS. 103 00:03:54,785 --> 00:03:59,790 AND AS WE CAN SEE FROM SUBSEQUENT DECLARATIONS IN 2016, 104 00:03:59,790 --> 00:04:01,691 SEXUAL AND GENDER MINORITIES, 105 00:04:01,691 --> 00:04:03,627 AND THEN IN 2023, 106 00:04:03,627 --> 00:04:05,729 PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WERE DESIGNATED 107 00:04:05,729 --> 00:04:08,432 AS POPULATIONS WITH HEALTH DISPARITIES. 108 00:04:08,432 --> 00:04:11,168 IN 2010, AS PART OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, 109 00:04:11,168 --> 00:04:13,837 WE BECAME AN INSTITUTE, 110 00:04:13,837 --> 00:04:18,575 AND THIS WAS ALL UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF DR. JOHN RUFFIN. 111 00:04:19,576 --> 00:04:23,680 AND WE CELEBRATED OUR ANNIVERSARY IN 2020, 112 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,450 RIGHT BEFORE WE SHUT DOWN FOR THE PANDEMIC. 113 00:04:26,450 --> 00:04:27,751 JUST REAL BRIEFLY, 114 00:04:27,751 --> 00:04:29,686 ILLUSTRATE AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART 115 00:04:29,686 --> 00:04:32,389 NOT SO MUCH TO CONFUSE YOU 116 00:04:32,389 --> 00:04:36,059 BUT TO EMPHASIZE THE THREE DIVISIONS 117 00:04:36,059 --> 00:04:38,228 OF EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH FUNDING. 118 00:04:38,228 --> 00:04:40,564 NIMHD DOES NOT FUND BASIC SCIENCE 119 00:04:40,564 --> 00:04:42,065 EXCEPT THROUGH THE RESEARCH CENTERS 120 00:04:42,065 --> 00:04:44,067 IN MINORITY INSTITUTIONS PROGRAM, 121 00:04:44,067 --> 00:04:48,305 WHICH I WILL SHARE A COMMENT ABOUT IN A MINUTE. 122 00:04:48,305 --> 00:04:50,140 BUT WE HAVE, FIRST OF ALL, 123 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:53,877 THE DIVISION OF COMMUNITY HEALTH AND POPULATION SCIENCES. 124 00:04:53,877 --> 00:04:55,612 THIS HAS HAD A LONG HISTORY 125 00:04:55,612 --> 00:04:59,683 OF WORKING ON COMMUNITY-ENGAGED RESEARCH 126 00:04:59,683 --> 00:05:02,252 THROUGH A PROGRAM THAT LASTED OVER 20 YEARS, 127 00:05:02,252 --> 00:05:06,256 AND WE CONTINUE IT TO THIS DAY FOCUSING ON INTERVENTIONS. 128 00:05:06,256 --> 00:05:08,658 IT HAS SEEN REALLY THE LIGHT OF DAY 129 00:05:08,658 --> 00:05:12,596 THROUGH THE EFFORTS DONE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. 130 00:05:12,596 --> 00:05:14,531 WE ALSO HAVE A MECHANISTIC DIVISION 131 00:05:14,531 --> 00:05:17,000 WE CALL DIVISION OF INTEGRATIVE BIOLOGICAL 132 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,502 AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCES, 133 00:05:18,502 --> 00:05:21,938 AND STAFF HAVE ADDED ENVIRONMENTAL. 134 00:05:21,938 --> 00:05:24,774 AND THAT IS FOCUSED ON MECHANISMS 135 00:05:24,774 --> 00:05:26,910 BOTH BEHAVIORAL- AND BIOLOGY-RELATED 136 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:28,945 THAT LEAD TO HEALTH DISPARITIES. 137 00:05:28,945 --> 00:05:31,548 AND FINALLY, BEGINNING IN 2016, 138 00:05:32,883 --> 00:05:35,886 THE DIVISION OF CLINICAL AND HEALTH SERVICES RESEARCH 139 00:05:35,886 --> 00:05:38,722 TO FOCUS ON THE CLINICAL SETTING 140 00:05:38,722 --> 00:05:40,991 AS WELL AS TO FUND HEALTH SERVICES. 141 00:05:40,991 --> 00:05:43,226 THIS IS OUR RESEARCH FRAMEWORK 142 00:05:43,226 --> 00:05:46,129 THAT STAFF DEVELOPED IN 2016, 2017, 143 00:05:48,231 --> 00:05:53,370 WAS REALLY WITH THE INTENT OF CAPTURING THE COMPLEXITY 144 00:05:53,370 --> 00:05:55,372 AND THE MANY FACETS OF MINORITY HEALTH 145 00:05:55,372 --> 00:05:57,340 AND HEALTH DISPARITIES RESEARCH. 146 00:05:57,340 --> 00:05:59,175 NOT INTENDED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE 147 00:05:59,175 --> 00:06:02,812 AND NOT INTENDED TO BE CAUSAL IN DIRECTION, 148 00:06:02,812 --> 00:06:04,481 ALTHOUGH IF YOU ASK ME, 149 00:06:04,481 --> 00:06:08,218 MUCH OF WHAT WE DEAL WITH IS FROM SOCIETAL TO INDIVIDUAL 150 00:06:08,218 --> 00:06:10,587 RATHER THAN ANY OTHER DIRECTION. 151 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:12,289 BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS, 152 00:06:12,289 --> 00:06:13,857 BIOLOGY, BEHAVIOR, 153 00:06:13,857 --> 00:06:16,192 THE PHYSICAL OR BUILT ENVIRONMENT, 154 00:06:16,192 --> 00:06:17,494 SOCIOCULTURAL ENVIRONMENT, 155 00:06:17,494 --> 00:06:19,896 AS WELL AS THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, 156 00:06:19,896 --> 00:06:22,499 PARTICULARLY RELEVANT TODAY 157 00:06:22,499 --> 00:06:26,102 WITH SO MANY PEOPLE HAVING MULTIPLE CHRONIC DISEASES 158 00:06:26,102 --> 00:06:29,940 AND ON MULTIPLE PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS. 159 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:31,374 WE HAVE USED THIS FRAMEWORK 160 00:06:31,374 --> 00:06:34,744 AND ADAPTED IT TO MULTIPLE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS, 161 00:06:34,744 --> 00:06:37,414 ARE WORKING ON HOW WE ADAPT THIS 162 00:06:38,348 --> 00:06:41,751 IN TERMS OF CONTENT TO DIFFERENT POPULATIONS 163 00:06:41,751 --> 00:06:44,120 DESIGNATED AS HAVING HEALTH DISPARITIES. 164 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,957 SOME OF OUR SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS 165 00:06:46,957 --> 00:06:47,791 WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, 166 00:06:47,791 --> 00:06:51,861 AMERICAN INDIAN OR ALASKA NATIVE POPULATIONS. 167 00:06:51,861 --> 00:06:54,631 SO IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS THAT WE RUN 168 00:06:54,631 --> 00:06:55,732 THAT ARE RELEVANT TO THIS MEETING, 169 00:06:55,732 --> 00:06:58,435 OF COURSE, ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ARE RELEVANT 170 00:06:58,435 --> 00:07:01,404 IN TERMS OF SUBMITTING GRANTS. 171 00:07:01,404 --> 00:07:05,642 BUT THE RESEARCH CENTERS FOR MINORITY INSTITUTIONS, 172 00:07:07,477 --> 00:07:09,479 WHICH ARE 22 CURRENTLY FUNDED, 173 00:07:09,479 --> 00:07:10,580 13 ARE HBCUS, 174 00:07:11,548 --> 00:07:13,149 ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE, 175 00:07:13,149 --> 00:07:14,384 IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE, 176 00:07:14,384 --> 00:07:17,354 LESS THAN $50 MILLION PER YEAR IN NIH FUNDS, 177 00:07:17,354 --> 00:07:19,489 ON AVERAGE OVER THREE YEARS. 178 00:07:19,489 --> 00:07:21,758 THIS IS TOTAL COST. 179 00:07:21,758 --> 00:07:26,129 WE ALSO HAVE A $25 MILLION R01 CEILING FOR THIS, 180 00:07:26,129 --> 00:07:28,431 AND THE HISTORICAL COMMITMENT 181 00:07:28,431 --> 00:07:30,300 TO WORKING WITH UNDERREPRESENTED 182 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,636 AND UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS. 183 00:07:33,670 --> 00:07:36,706 THE JOHN LEWIS RESEARCH ENDOWMENT, 184 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,041 RENAMED IN 2022, 185 00:07:40,443 --> 00:07:42,879 IS A UNIQUE PROGRAM TO NIMHD, 186 00:07:45,315 --> 00:07:48,885 WHERE WE GIVE FUNDS TO AN INSTITUTION. 187 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:51,554 THEY HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY IN THE BANK, 188 00:07:51,554 --> 00:07:52,856 SO TO SPEAK, 189 00:07:52,856 --> 00:07:55,025 AND CANNOT TOUCH THE PRINCIPAL 190 00:07:55,025 --> 00:07:58,728 FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS AFTER THE END OF THE GRANT. 191 00:07:58,728 --> 00:08:02,399 SO, SO FAR WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OF THAT HAPPEN. 192 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:05,168 WE HAVE SIX CURRENTLY FUNDED INSTITUTIONS 193 00:08:05,168 --> 00:08:07,237 THAT WERE FUNDED IN 2023. 194 00:08:08,071 --> 00:08:09,572 THE CLINICAL RESEARCH EDUCATION 195 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:13,109 AND CAREER DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM IS AN R25 PROGRAM. 196 00:08:13,109 --> 00:08:16,079 IT'S LINKED TO THE RCMI PROGRAM, 197 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,282 AND IT IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT 198 00:08:19,282 --> 00:08:21,317 OF CLINICIAN INVESTIGATORS, 199 00:08:21,317 --> 00:08:25,655 SO THERE ARE THREE OF THESE GRANTS CURRENTLY FUNDED. 200 00:08:26,556 --> 00:08:29,325 AND THE TRIBAL EPIDEMIOLOGY CENTERS, 201 00:08:29,325 --> 00:08:31,461 IT'S A PROGRAM THAT THE CDC 202 00:08:31,461 --> 00:08:33,263 AND THE INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE HAVE FUNDED 203 00:08:33,263 --> 00:08:35,331 FOR ALMOST THREE DECADES. 204 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,469 AND WE SUPPORT U24 RESOURCE CENTERS 205 00:08:39,469 --> 00:08:43,473 TO SUPPORT THESE 12 TRIBAL EPIDEMIOLOGY CENTERS, 206 00:08:44,974 --> 00:08:48,778 THEY'RE DIVIDED ALONG GEOGRAPHIC LINES IN THE COUNTRY 207 00:08:48,778 --> 00:08:50,814 BY INDIAN HEALTH SERVICE REGIONS, 208 00:08:50,814 --> 00:08:53,650 WITH ONE FOCUSED ON URBAN INDIANS. 209 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:58,722 AND THIS CONTINUES AS A WAY TO BUILD CAPACITY 210 00:08:58,722 --> 00:09:00,724 FOR RESEARCH IN THIS NETWORK 211 00:09:00,724 --> 00:09:03,159 OF TRIBAL EPIDEMIOLOGY CENTERS. 212 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:05,795 AND FINALLY, WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE 213 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:08,965 THAT WAS IN PART LED BY DR. JON LORSCH 214 00:09:09,933 --> 00:09:11,768 AND THE UNITE COMMITTEE, 215 00:09:11,768 --> 00:09:16,005 THE E COMMITTEE AND UNITE EXTRAMURAL CALLED STRONG, 216 00:09:17,107 --> 00:09:21,111 WHICH WILL BE FUNDED AFTER THE MAY COUNCIL REVIEW 217 00:09:21,111 --> 00:09:22,812 IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. 218 00:09:22,812 --> 00:09:24,180 AND THESE ARE SMALL, 219 00:09:24,180 --> 00:09:25,782 GONNA BE SMALL GRANTS 220 00:09:25,782 --> 00:09:28,952 TO SUPPORT LESS-RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS 221 00:09:30,286 --> 00:09:33,089 IN DEVELOPING WHAT THEY NEED, 222 00:09:33,089 --> 00:09:35,258 AND DOING A SURVEY, AN ASSESSMENT, 223 00:09:35,258 --> 00:09:38,228 A NEEDS ASSESSMENT OF WHAT THEY NEED 224 00:09:38,228 --> 00:09:41,798 TO BUILD THEIR RESEARCH CAPACITY. 225 00:09:41,798 --> 00:09:43,800 AND NOW IT'S NOT MOVING. 226 00:09:45,869 --> 00:09:47,971 CAN WE ADVANCE THE SLIDE? 227 00:09:49,506 --> 00:09:50,540 THERE WE GO, ALL RIGHT, 228 00:09:50,540 --> 00:09:51,775 ONE MORE SLIDE. 229 00:09:52,709 --> 00:09:55,078 ENCOURAGE YOU TO SEND US APPLICATIONS 230 00:09:55,078 --> 00:09:57,680 FOR THE HEALTH DISPARITIES RESEARCH INSTITUTE. 231 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:01,084 THIS IS A PHOTO FROM THE 2023 EVENT. 232 00:10:01,084 --> 00:10:02,886 WE WERE BACK IN PERSON. 233 00:10:02,886 --> 00:10:04,888 WE HAVE ABOUT 200 APPLICANTS A YEAR. 234 00:10:04,888 --> 00:10:08,758 WE SELECT ABOUT 50 EARLY-STAGE CAREER SCIENTISTS, 235 00:10:08,758 --> 00:10:09,993 USUALLY SENIOR FELLOWS 236 00:10:09,993 --> 00:10:12,896 OR EARLY ASSISTANT PROFESSORS. 237 00:10:12,896 --> 00:10:13,963 OUR '24 HDRI. 238 00:10:14,831 --> 00:10:17,066 THE APPLICATION PERIOD FOR '24 IS CLOSED, 239 00:10:17,066 --> 00:10:21,538 IT'S USUALLY IN A LOVELY AUGUST WEEK IN BETHESDA, 240 00:10:21,538 --> 00:10:25,408 WHERE YOU WANNA BE INDOORS DURING THE DAY. 241 00:10:25,408 --> 00:10:29,212 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ATTENTION. 242 00:10:29,212 --> 00:10:34,117 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 243 00:10:41,524 --> 00:10:42,358 - [MONICA] OKAY, ACTUALLY, NO, 244 00:10:42,358 --> 00:10:43,827 IT'S DR. LORSCH'S NEXT. 245 00:10:43,827 --> 00:10:46,596 OKAY, OUR NEXT PRESENTER IS DR. JON LORSCH, 246 00:10:46,596 --> 00:10:47,430 WHO'S THE DIRECTOR 247 00:10:47,430 --> 00:10:51,167 OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF GENERAL MEDICAL SCIENCES. 248 00:10:51,167 --> 00:10:52,001 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH, 249 00:10:52,001 --> 00:10:54,037 AND THANKS, ALL OF YOU, FOR COMING. 250 00:10:54,037 --> 00:10:55,672 IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU. 251 00:10:55,672 --> 00:10:57,907 SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW 252 00:10:57,907 --> 00:10:59,509 OF NIGMS'S MISSION, 253 00:11:00,376 --> 00:11:01,845 SIMILAR TO WHAT ELISEO DID, 254 00:11:01,845 --> 00:11:03,580 AND THEN TELL YOU A FEW POINTS. 255 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:06,482 AND YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE ABOUT NIGMS PROGRAMS 256 00:11:06,482 --> 00:11:09,552 THROUGHOUT THE DAY TODAY AND TOMORROW. 257 00:11:09,552 --> 00:11:14,157 SO NIGMS HAS SEVERAL KEY PARTS OF ITS MISSION. 258 00:11:14,157 --> 00:11:17,694 THE FIRST IS THAT WE ARE THE PRIMARY FUNDER 259 00:11:17,694 --> 00:11:19,963 OF BASIC RESEARCH AT NIGMS, 260 00:11:19,963 --> 00:11:21,865 SO FROM A SCIENTIFIC POINT OF VIEW, 261 00:11:21,865 --> 00:11:24,033 I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT, OH, YOU DON'T SEE IT ON THE SCREEN, 262 00:11:24,033 --> 00:11:28,204 THERE'S A LITTLE ARROW THAT'S MOVING AROUND ON MY SCREEN. 263 00:11:28,204 --> 00:11:31,207 WE ARE THE PRIMARY FUNDER OF BASIC RESEARCH AT IGMS, 264 00:11:31,207 --> 00:11:34,043 SO THAT'S RESEARCH THAT TRIES TO UNDERSTAND 265 00:11:34,043 --> 00:11:36,880 HOW BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS OPERATE. 266 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,950 AND THE IDEA THERE IS THAT THAT LAYS THE FOUNDATION 267 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:43,720 FOR ALL ADVANCES IN DISEASE DIAGNOSIS, 268 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,521 TREATMENT, AND PREVENTION. 269 00:11:45,521 --> 00:11:46,689 IN ADDITION TO THAT FOCUS 270 00:11:46,689 --> 00:11:49,826 ON BASIC OR FOUNDATIONAL RESEARCH, 271 00:11:49,826 --> 00:11:52,829 WE ALSO HAVE A FEW SPECIFIC CLINICAL AREAS 272 00:11:52,829 --> 00:11:55,465 THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR FUNDING RESEARCH IN. 273 00:11:55,465 --> 00:11:57,634 AND THOSE ARE AREAS THAT SUPPORT MULTIPLE 274 00:11:57,634 --> 00:12:00,436 OR THAT AFFECT MULTIPLE ORGAN SYSTEMS, 275 00:12:00,436 --> 00:12:03,773 SO FOR EXAMPLE, ANESTHESIOLOGY RESEARCH, 276 00:12:03,773 --> 00:12:05,141 CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY, 277 00:12:05,141 --> 00:12:09,445 AND RESEARCH ON SEPSIS ARE AREAS THAT WE FUND. 278 00:12:09,445 --> 00:12:12,548 BEYOND THE SCIENTIFIC PART OF OUR MISSION, 279 00:12:12,548 --> 00:12:15,151 WE ALSO ARE THE LARGEST FUNDER OF TRAINING 280 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:18,021 OF THE NEXT GENERATION OF SCIENTISTS AT NIH 281 00:12:18,021 --> 00:12:21,124 AND ALSO DEVELOPING RESEARCH CAPACITY BUILDING. 282 00:12:21,124 --> 00:12:23,760 AND THAT LATTER INCLUDES THE IDEA PROGRAM 283 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,996 THAT I KNOW MANY OF YOU IN THE ROOM ARE FAMILIAR WITH. 284 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:30,600 SO THAT'S NIGMS'S MISSION AT A BROAD LEVEL. 285 00:12:32,268 --> 00:12:36,205 PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN CONVINCE YOU OF 286 00:12:36,205 --> 00:12:38,474 TO CONVINCE YOUR FACULTY OF 287 00:12:38,474 --> 00:12:40,677 IS THAT WHEN THEY BEGIN THINKING 288 00:12:40,677 --> 00:12:43,479 ABOUT APPLYING FOR FUNDING AT NIH, 289 00:12:44,414 --> 00:12:46,983 WHETHER IT'S NIGMS OR ANOTHER INSTITUTE, 290 00:12:46,983 --> 00:12:48,751 THE FIRST THING THEY DO 291 00:12:48,751 --> 00:12:51,020 AFTER THEY'VE GOTTEN A GENERAL CONCEPT 292 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:53,089 OF WHAT IT IS THEY WANNA WORK ON 293 00:12:53,089 --> 00:12:55,491 IS TO CONTACT A PROGRAM OFFICER. 294 00:12:55,491 --> 00:12:57,727 AND EVERY INSTITUTE HAS SOMETHING 295 00:12:57,727 --> 00:12:59,629 LIKE WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE FOR NIGMS, 296 00:12:59,629 --> 00:13:02,432 WHICH IS A WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN GO TO 297 00:13:02,432 --> 00:13:03,967 OR YOUR FACULTY CAN GO TO 298 00:13:03,967 --> 00:13:07,337 AND FIND A CONTACT, A PROGRAM OFFICER, 299 00:13:07,337 --> 00:13:11,708 WHOSE AREA OF EXPERTISE OR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY 300 00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:13,943 IS SIMILAR TO WHAT IT IS THEY WANNA WORK ON. 301 00:13:13,943 --> 00:13:16,946 WHETHER THAT'S A SCIENTIFIC AREA, AS SHOWN HERE, 302 00:13:16,946 --> 00:13:20,650 OR TRAINING OR RESEARCH CAPACITY BUILDING. 303 00:13:20,650 --> 00:13:24,287 SO THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBABLY TAKE-HOME LESSON 304 00:13:24,287 --> 00:13:25,121 FROM THIS WHOLE MEETING, 305 00:13:25,121 --> 00:13:29,158 IS GET YOUR FACULTY TO CONTACT PROGRAM OFFICERS. 306 00:13:29,158 --> 00:13:30,626 IT'S THEIR JOB 307 00:13:30,626 --> 00:13:34,430 TO TRY TO HELP POTENTIAL APPLICANTS AND GRANTEES 308 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:36,833 TO TRY TO MAKE THEM SUCCESSFUL. 309 00:13:36,833 --> 00:13:40,169 SO THAT REALLY IS WHAT WE ARE HIRING THEM TO DO 310 00:13:40,169 --> 00:13:42,005 AND PAYING THEM TO DO. 311 00:13:46,042 --> 00:13:46,876 THERE. 312 00:13:46,876 --> 00:13:47,777 AND THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE 313 00:13:47,777 --> 00:13:49,278 OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND IF YOU CLICK 314 00:13:49,278 --> 00:13:52,815 ON ONE OF THOSE RESEARCH AREAS ON THE NIGMS WEBSITE. 315 00:13:52,815 --> 00:13:55,585 THERE'LL BE A A PORTFOLIO THAT SAYS, 316 00:13:55,585 --> 00:13:57,620 YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IN THIS RESEARCH AREA 317 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:01,057 AND THEN WHO THE PROGRAM OFFICER IS THAT'S RESPONSIBLE. 318 00:14:01,057 --> 00:14:02,425 IT'LL HAVE THEIR EMAIL. 319 00:14:02,425 --> 00:14:03,626 JUST SEND THEM AN EMAIL 320 00:14:03,626 --> 00:14:05,995 OR HAVE YOUR FACULTY SEND THEM AN EMAIL 321 00:14:05,995 --> 00:14:08,097 AND BEGIN THAT CONVERSATION. 322 00:14:08,097 --> 00:14:10,733 THAT REALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU CAN DO 323 00:14:10,733 --> 00:14:13,936 TO START YOUR FACULTY ON THE PATH TO SUCCESS 324 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:15,171 IN NIH FUNDING. 325 00:14:17,173 --> 00:14:18,174 JUST TO END, 326 00:14:18,174 --> 00:14:19,642 THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS 327 00:14:19,642 --> 00:14:21,644 YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT FROM NIGMS 328 00:14:21,644 --> 00:14:23,746 OVER THE NEXT DAY AND A HALF. 329 00:14:23,746 --> 00:14:26,049 YOU'LL BE HEARING ABOUT THE SUPPORT FOR RESEARCH EXCELLENCE 330 00:14:26,049 --> 00:14:26,916 OR SURE PROGRAM. 331 00:14:26,916 --> 00:14:30,253 WE ACTUALLY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES 332 00:14:30,253 --> 00:14:31,654 FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY, 333 00:14:31,654 --> 00:14:34,357 WHICH RUNS THE SURE RESOURCE CENTER, 334 00:14:34,357 --> 00:14:37,326 WHICH WORKS WITH APPLICANTS AND INSTITUTIONS 335 00:14:37,326 --> 00:14:39,162 TO TRY TO HELP THEM SUCCEED 336 00:14:39,162 --> 00:14:41,697 IN OBTAINING FUNDING FROM THE SURE PROGRAM. 337 00:14:41,697 --> 00:14:43,866 AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT. 338 00:14:43,866 --> 00:14:46,502 I THINK THAT WILL BE BROADLY APPLICABLE 339 00:14:46,502 --> 00:14:49,639 TO MOST OF THE INSTITUTIONS REPRESENTED HERE. 340 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:50,473 YOU'RE ALSO GONNA HEAR ABOUT 341 00:14:50,473 --> 00:14:54,777 OUR MAXIMIZING INVESTIGATOR RESEARCH AWARD, 342 00:14:54,777 --> 00:14:56,212 OR THE MIRA PROGRAM. 343 00:14:56,212 --> 00:15:00,316 THIS IS A NEW PARADIGM FOR FUNDING FUNDAMENTAL RESEARCH 344 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:02,652 THAT NIGMS LAUNCHED IN 2015. 345 00:15:03,786 --> 00:15:06,589 IT IS VERY DIFFERENT IN MANY RESPECTS 346 00:15:06,589 --> 00:15:08,958 THAN TYPICAL R01 FUNDING 347 00:15:08,958 --> 00:15:11,027 AND MAYBE MORE BENEFICIAL 348 00:15:12,662 --> 00:15:15,765 TO THE KINDS OF WORK THAT SOME OF YOUR FACULTY WANT TO DO. 349 00:15:15,765 --> 00:15:16,966 SO HOPEFULLY THAT WAS SOMETHING 350 00:15:16,966 --> 00:15:20,503 THAT WILL APPEAL TO AT LEAST SOME OF YOU. 351 00:15:20,503 --> 00:15:21,437 AND THEN FINALLY, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR 352 00:15:21,437 --> 00:15:24,373 ABOUT NIGMS'S TRAINING WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT 353 00:15:24,373 --> 00:15:26,943 AND DIVERSITY PROGRAMS, 354 00:15:26,943 --> 00:15:30,680 WHICH MANY OF YOUR INSTITUTIONS ALREADY ARE FAMILIAR WITH. 355 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,417 SOME OF YOU HAVE GRANTS FROM OUR TWD DIVISION, 356 00:15:34,417 --> 00:15:37,386 BUT I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY INCREASE FUNDING 357 00:15:37,386 --> 00:15:39,088 AT MANY OF YOUR INSTITUTIONS 358 00:15:39,088 --> 00:15:41,324 IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL. 359 00:15:41,324 --> 00:15:43,226 SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE ABOUT WHAT'S COMING UP, 360 00:15:43,226 --> 00:15:45,661 AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO EITHER BRUCE OR MARIE, 361 00:15:45,661 --> 00:15:47,029 WHO'S EVER NEXT. 362 00:15:47,029 --> 00:15:49,765 - [MONICA] I BELIEVE IT IS DR. BERNARD IS NEXT. 363 00:15:49,765 --> 00:15:50,867 - OKAY. - SO, 364 00:15:50,867 --> 00:15:52,502 THIS IS DR. MARIE BERNARD. 365 00:15:52,502 --> 00:15:53,536 OH, THANK YOU. (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 366 00:15:53,536 --> 00:15:55,471 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 367 00:15:55,471 --> 00:15:58,608 AND SHE IS OUR NIH OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OFFICER 368 00:15:58,608 --> 00:16:01,544 FOR SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE DIVERSITY. 369 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:03,613 - OKAY, SO, 370 00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,483 WHY AM I SHOWING YOU THIS PICTURE, 371 00:16:07,483 --> 00:16:09,218 AND WHAT'S THIS ACRONYM? 372 00:16:09,218 --> 00:16:10,052 COSWD? 373 00:16:11,654 --> 00:16:12,989 THAT'S HOW YOU PRONOUNCE MY TITLE, 374 00:16:12,989 --> 00:16:17,093 I'M THE NIH CHIEF OFFICER OF SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE DIVERSITY. 375 00:16:17,093 --> 00:16:19,328 IT'S A BOUTIQUE POSITION. 376 00:16:19,328 --> 00:16:21,564 YOU FIND EEO OFFICERS 377 00:16:21,564 --> 00:16:24,967 AND DIVERSITY OFFICERS EVERY PLACE. 378 00:16:24,967 --> 00:16:26,903 BUT THE THING THAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS POSITION 379 00:16:26,903 --> 00:16:30,473 IS THE FOCUS ON THE SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE, 380 00:16:30,473 --> 00:16:34,010 INTERNALLY AT NIH AND EXTERNALLY. 381 00:16:34,010 --> 00:16:35,611 IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT 382 00:16:35,611 --> 00:16:40,049 BECAUSE OF A STUDY THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN SCIENCE IN 2011 383 00:16:40,049 --> 00:16:41,751 CALLED THE GINTHER GAP STUDY 384 00:16:41,751 --> 00:16:44,554 THAT FOUND THAT THERE WAS A DISADVANTAGE 385 00:16:44,554 --> 00:16:48,491 IN THE RECEIPT OF R01 GRANT FUNDING BY RACE AND ETHNICITY. 386 00:16:48,491 --> 00:16:50,593 INITIALLY, ACROSS THE BOARD, 387 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:53,396 AFRICAN AMERICAN, BLACK, HISPANIC, 388 00:16:53,396 --> 00:16:56,966 ASIAN, AMERICAN INDIAN, ALASKA NATIVE, 389 00:16:56,966 --> 00:17:00,536 AND THEN WHEN THEY CONTROLLED FOR ALL SORTS OF FACTORS, 390 00:17:00,536 --> 00:17:01,771 ENGLISH IS YOUR FIRST LANGUAGE, 391 00:17:01,771 --> 00:17:03,039 WHERE YOU TRAIN, 392 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:04,840 WHERE YOU ARE WORKING, 393 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,108 HOW MANY PUBLICATIONS YOU HAVE, 394 00:17:06,108 --> 00:17:07,577 ET CETERA, ET CETERA, 395 00:17:07,577 --> 00:17:08,811 MUCH OF THAT DISAPPEARED 396 00:17:08,811 --> 00:17:11,447 EXCEPT FOR PERSISTENT DISADVANTAGE 397 00:17:11,447 --> 00:17:13,416 FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS, BLACKS. 398 00:17:13,416 --> 00:17:15,718 BUT THEN NIH DIRECTOR FRANCIS COLLINS TURNED 399 00:17:15,718 --> 00:17:17,019 TO HIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND SAID, 400 00:17:17,019 --> 00:17:18,421 "WHAT SHOULD WE DO ABOUT THIS?" 401 00:17:18,421 --> 00:17:20,389 AND THEY RECOMMENDED, AMONG OTHER THINGS, 402 00:17:20,389 --> 00:17:23,226 ESTABLISHMENT OF THIS POSITION. 403 00:17:23,226 --> 00:17:25,361 I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO DR. HANNAH VALANTINE, 404 00:17:25,361 --> 00:17:27,530 WHO WAS THE FOUNDING COSWD WHO SERVED IN THAT ROLE 405 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:30,967 FROM 2014 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020. 406 00:17:30,967 --> 00:17:32,802 I'M ALSO GRATEFUL THAT FRANCIS ASKED ME 407 00:17:32,802 --> 00:17:35,605 TO BECOME THE ACTING COSWD IN OCTOBER 2020, 408 00:17:35,605 --> 00:17:37,473 AND THEN I WAS SELECTED 409 00:17:37,473 --> 00:17:40,142 THROUGH A NATIONAL COMPETITIVE SEARCH 410 00:17:40,142 --> 00:17:42,478 AT THE END OF MAY OF 2021. 411 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:45,748 AND WHAT I'M GONNA SHOW YOU NEXT REALLY ENCAPSULATES 412 00:17:45,748 --> 00:17:49,585 WHY IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS POSITION TO EXIST, 413 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,222 I HOPE, IF THE VIDEO WILL WORK. 414 00:17:55,691 --> 00:17:56,525 ARE YOU ABLE TO? 415 00:17:56,525 --> 00:17:57,693 AH, THANK YOU. 416 00:17:59,028 --> 00:18:03,833 YOU MAY HAVE TO CLICK ONE MORE TIME TO MAKE THE VIDEO GO. 417 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:06,869 - [OBSERVER 1] IT IS SMOOTH AND SHARP. 418 00:18:06,869 --> 00:18:08,037 IT IS A SPEAR. 419 00:18:09,605 --> 00:18:12,275 - [OBSERVER 2] NO, IT IS A WALL. 420 00:18:13,909 --> 00:18:16,178 - [OBSERVER 3] IT IS MOST DEFINITELY A FAN, 421 00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:17,480 A HUGE FAN. 422 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,549 (GENTLE VOCAL MUSIC) 423 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:31,394 (GENTLE VOCAL MUSIC CONTINUES) 424 00:18:36,399 --> 00:18:38,167 - [NARRATOR] SCIENCE IMPLICITLY RELIES 425 00:18:38,167 --> 00:18:41,804 ON THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. 426 00:18:41,804 --> 00:18:44,373 THE MISSION OF THE OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OFFICER 427 00:18:44,373 --> 00:18:46,676 FOR SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE DIVERSITY 428 00:18:46,676 --> 00:18:48,411 IS TO BRING VARIED POINTS OF VIEW 429 00:18:48,411 --> 00:18:51,180 INTO THE WORK OF THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH 430 00:18:51,180 --> 00:18:55,885 AND THE FIELD OF BIOMEDICAL AND BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE RESEARCH. 431 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:59,388 A STUDY OF 2.5 MILLION SCIENTIFIC PAPERS SHOWS 432 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,058 THAT PEOPLE REPRESENTING DISTINCT BACKGROUNDS 433 00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:05,394 PUBLISHED MORE WIDELY-CITED RESEARCH, 434 00:19:05,394 --> 00:19:08,331 GENERATING IMPROVED SCIENCE, 435 00:19:08,331 --> 00:19:11,434 WHICH LEADS TO GREATER DISCOVERIES. 436 00:19:11,434 --> 00:19:13,903 BECAUSE GREAT MINDS THINK DIFFERENTLY, 437 00:19:13,903 --> 00:19:14,804 BUT TOGETHER, 438 00:19:14,804 --> 00:19:18,741 DIFFERENT MINDS ACCOMPLISH EVEN GREATER THINGS. 439 00:19:23,346 --> 00:19:25,014 - SO I HAVE A TINY TEAM, 440 00:19:25,014 --> 00:19:26,215 THERE ARE 12 OF US. 441 00:19:26,215 --> 00:19:28,317 WE WORK ACROSS NIH, 442 00:19:28,317 --> 00:19:29,218 WITH NIMHD, 443 00:19:30,386 --> 00:19:31,320 NIGMS, CSR, 444 00:19:32,254 --> 00:19:34,223 ALL THE 27 INSTITUTES AND CENTERS 445 00:19:34,223 --> 00:19:36,726 TO CATALYZE AND LEVERAGE PROGRAMS 446 00:19:36,726 --> 00:19:39,261 TO PROMOTE SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE DIVERSITY. 447 00:19:39,261 --> 00:19:41,597 AND I'M NOT GONNA SHOW YOU A LOT OF SLIDES ABOUT WHAT WE DO, 448 00:19:41,597 --> 00:19:43,666 I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO ATTEND THE SESSIONS 449 00:19:43,666 --> 00:19:45,735 THAT MY COLLEAGUES DR. JEAN SHIN 450 00:19:45,735 --> 00:19:48,070 AND PAM TAMEZ WILL BE COORDINATING 451 00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:50,539 IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO FIND MORE DETAILS. 452 00:19:50,539 --> 00:19:52,742 BUT I WILL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS 453 00:19:52,742 --> 00:19:55,411 THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH. 454 00:19:55,411 --> 00:19:58,481 THIS REPRESENTS THE NIH UNITE INITIATIVE, 455 00:19:58,481 --> 00:20:01,484 WHICH IS A VERY AMBITIOUS PROGRAM 456 00:20:01,484 --> 00:20:04,687 THAT GOT ESTABLISHED IN THE FALL OF 2020 457 00:20:04,687 --> 00:20:07,490 WHEN WE WERE IN THE THROES OF THE COVID PANDEMIC 458 00:20:07,490 --> 00:20:10,760 AND SAW DISPARATE MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY 459 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,228 BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, 460 00:20:12,228 --> 00:20:14,430 RACIALIZED VIOLENCE. 461 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:18,167 AND WE STARTED INTERNALLY IN THE FALL OF 2020, 462 00:20:18,167 --> 00:20:20,803 DECLARED WITH THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION 463 00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:23,105 AND SOME OF THE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS THE AUDACIOUS GOAL 464 00:20:23,105 --> 00:20:26,942 OF ENDING STRUCTURAL RACISM IN FEBRUARY OF 2021, 465 00:20:26,942 --> 00:20:29,345 AND HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS 466 00:20:29,345 --> 00:20:31,881 IN A PEOPLE-FOCUSED AND DATA-DRIVEN FASHION 467 00:20:31,881 --> 00:20:34,250 ON HEALTH DISPARITY AND MINORITY HEALTH RESEARCH, 468 00:20:34,250 --> 00:20:38,087 NOT AT ALL TO CIRCUMVENT THE ROLE OF THE NIMHD 469 00:20:38,954 --> 00:20:40,956 BUT TO AUGMENT THE WORK. 470 00:20:40,956 --> 00:20:43,526 WE'VE BEEN PUTTING A MIRROR TO OURSELVES INTERNALLY 471 00:20:43,526 --> 00:20:46,228 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT NIH ARE DOING THINGS 472 00:20:46,228 --> 00:20:47,329 THAT ARE APPROPRIATE 473 00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:50,199 TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S VOICE IS HEARD 474 00:20:50,199 --> 00:20:52,968 AND EVERYONE FEELS INCLUDED AND BELONGS. 475 00:20:52,968 --> 00:20:55,571 AND WE'VE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE LEADERSHIP, 476 00:20:55,571 --> 00:20:57,740 REALLY, OF DR. LORSCH AND THE E COMMITTEE OF UNITE 477 00:20:57,740 --> 00:21:00,242 A NUMBER OF INITIATIVES THAT ARE EXTERNALLY FACING 478 00:21:00,242 --> 00:21:02,278 THAT YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE DAY, 479 00:21:02,278 --> 00:21:04,513 SOME OF THEM WE MENTIONED ALREADY. 480 00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:06,382 SO WE'VE BEEN DELIGHTED TO BE INVOLVED WITH THAT. 481 00:21:06,382 --> 00:21:09,185 I'M REALLY HONORED TO BE A CO-LEAD 482 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:12,188 OF THE UNITE INITIATIVE SINCE IT WAS ESTABLISHED. 483 00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:14,223 ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF UNITE, AGAIN, 484 00:21:14,223 --> 00:21:15,958 A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE UNITE E COMMITTEE 485 00:21:15,958 --> 00:21:18,127 THAT DR. LORSCH HAS RECOMMENDED, 486 00:21:18,127 --> 00:21:20,229 IS TARGETED OUTREACH 487 00:21:20,229 --> 00:21:23,399 TO INSTITUTIONS THAT DON'T ENJOY A LOT 488 00:21:23,399 --> 00:21:24,733 IN THE WAY OF NIH FUNDING. 489 00:21:24,733 --> 00:21:26,602 SO WE ARE EVEN MORE DELIGHTED 490 00:21:26,602 --> 00:21:27,970 TO BE PART OF THIS MEETING 491 00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:30,573 THAT ALLOWS FOR THAT SORT OF OUTREACH. 492 00:21:30,573 --> 00:21:32,708 WE'RE CALLING IT THE EARA INITIATIVE. 493 00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:36,512 ENGAGEMENT AND ACCESS FOR RESEARCH-ACTIVE INSTITUTIONS. 494 00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,547 AND WE'RE DEFINING RESEARCH-ACTIVE INSTITUTIONS 495 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,182 VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE WAY 496 00:21:40,182 --> 00:21:42,852 IN WHICH SOME OF THE OTHER NOFOS 497 00:21:43,786 --> 00:21:45,821 THAT ARE OUT THERE DEFINE RESOURCE-LIMITED, 498 00:21:45,821 --> 00:21:47,389 BUT THIS IS NOT A NOFO. 499 00:21:47,389 --> 00:21:51,861 THIS IS SIMPLY OUTREACH TO ENGAGE AND CONNECT 500 00:21:51,861 --> 00:21:53,429 SO THAT INSTITUTIONS 501 00:21:53,429 --> 00:21:56,832 THAT HAVE LESS THAN 25 MILLION ON AVERAGE 502 00:21:57,766 --> 00:22:00,035 OF RESEARCH PROJECT GRANT, NOT TOTAL, 503 00:22:00,035 --> 00:22:02,271 RESEARCH PROJECT GRANT FUNDING FROM NIH 504 00:22:02,271 --> 00:22:06,375 IN THE PRIOR THREE YEARS CAN CONNECT WITH PROGRAM OFFICERS. 505 00:22:06,375 --> 00:22:07,209 AS DR. LORSCH SAID, 506 00:22:07,209 --> 00:22:09,645 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO TALK TO THE PROGRAM OFFICERS 507 00:22:09,645 --> 00:22:11,247 ABOUT RESEARCH IDEAS. 508 00:22:11,247 --> 00:22:13,516 SO AGAIN, LOOK AT DIVERSITY.NIH.GOV 509 00:22:13,516 --> 00:22:14,783 TO GET MORE OF A SENSE OF IT, 510 00:22:14,783 --> 00:22:17,520 ATTEND THE SESSIONS WITH DR. SHIN AND DR. TAMEZ. 511 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,521 THANK YOU. 512 00:22:18,521 --> 00:22:21,590 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 513 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:23,459 - THANK YOU, DR. BERNARD, 514 00:22:23,459 --> 00:22:25,661 AND NEXT WE HAVE BRUCE REED, 515 00:22:25,661 --> 00:22:26,762 WHO IS DEPUTY DIRECTOR 516 00:22:26,762 --> 00:22:30,099 OF THE NIH CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW. 517 00:22:35,804 --> 00:22:37,306 - MORNING. 518 00:22:37,306 --> 00:22:38,841 IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. 519 00:22:38,841 --> 00:22:41,443 LET ME START BY FIRST CONVEYING THE REGRETS 520 00:22:41,443 --> 00:22:43,379 OF CSR'S DIRECTOR NONI BYRNES, 521 00:22:43,379 --> 00:22:46,815 SHE WAS SCHEDULED TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. 522 00:22:46,815 --> 00:22:48,951 SHE HAS A COUGH THAT NONE OF YOU WANT, 523 00:22:48,951 --> 00:22:51,787 AND SO I'LL BE FILLING IN FOR HER. 524 00:22:53,322 --> 00:22:57,459 BUT SHE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. 525 00:22:57,459 --> 00:23:00,596 I'LL BE BRIEF, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. 526 00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:04,700 SO FIRST, WHAT IS CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW? 527 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:08,137 WE OVERSEE THE PEER REVIEW OF THE GREAT MAJORITY 528 00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:10,306 OF NIH GRANT APPLICATIONS. 529 00:23:11,273 --> 00:23:12,775 SO, IN FISCAL '23, 530 00:23:15,277 --> 00:23:16,545 NIH GOT ALMOST, 531 00:23:17,580 --> 00:23:20,983 WELL, IT GOT 79,000 GRANT APPLICATIONS. 532 00:23:20,983 --> 00:23:23,285 CSR REVIEWED OVER 60,000 OF THOSE, 533 00:23:23,285 --> 00:23:25,721 SO WE DO ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE REVIEW 534 00:23:25,721 --> 00:23:27,289 FOR THE ENTIRE NIH. 535 00:23:29,158 --> 00:23:31,727 THE BULK OF WHAT WE DO IS R01S. 536 00:23:32,895 --> 00:23:36,966 WE ALSO DO ALMOST ALL OF THE SMALL BUSINESS APPLICATIONS, 537 00:23:36,966 --> 00:23:40,603 AND WE DO ALMOST ALL OF THE FELLOWSHIP APPLICATIONS. 538 00:23:40,603 --> 00:23:44,006 BUT WE REVIEW APPLICATIONS OF ALL SORTS. 539 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:47,509 AND ONE OF THE THINGS TO JUST BE AWARE OF, 540 00:23:48,644 --> 00:23:52,247 THERE'S ONLY ONE SET OF NIH POLICIES ON PEER REVIEW, 541 00:23:52,247 --> 00:23:55,217 SO DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHETHER IT'S IN CSR 542 00:23:55,217 --> 00:23:56,952 OR IN THE INSTITUTES. 543 00:23:57,853 --> 00:24:00,623 SO WHEN I TALK TO YOU ABOUT PEER REVIEW, 544 00:24:00,623 --> 00:24:03,859 I'M SPEAKING REALLY ABOUT NIH POLICIES. 545 00:24:08,397 --> 00:24:11,200 YEAH, IT'S A LARGE OPERATION. 546 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,735 1,200 MEETINGS, 547 00:24:12,735 --> 00:24:15,571 YOU KNOW, ALMOST 20,000 REVIEWERS. 548 00:24:16,472 --> 00:24:17,306 SO, 549 00:24:20,009 --> 00:24:22,044 THERE'S A COUPLE OF MESSAGES 550 00:24:22,044 --> 00:24:24,546 THAT I HOPE YOU REMEMBER AT THE END OF THESE TWO DAYS 551 00:24:24,546 --> 00:24:27,750 AND CAN TAKE BACK TO YOUR FACULTY. 552 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:30,519 SO ONE OF THEM REALLY IS THAT CSR 553 00:24:32,554 --> 00:24:36,592 AND NIH HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT TO CHANGE PEER REVIEW 554 00:24:36,592 --> 00:24:38,460 TO MAKE IT STRONGER, 555 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:39,762 TO PROMOTE FAIRNESS, 556 00:24:39,762 --> 00:24:41,563 TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. 557 00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:45,067 SO I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS MORE THIS AFTERNOON, 558 00:24:45,067 --> 00:24:47,870 BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON THEM BRIEFLY, 559 00:24:49,338 --> 00:24:53,008 SOME OF THESE THINGS INCLUDE IMPLEMENTING BIAS AWARENESS 560 00:24:53,008 --> 00:24:55,010 AND MITIGATION TRAINING, 561 00:24:57,046 --> 00:25:00,749 CREATING AN AVENUE FOR REPORTING BIAS, 562 00:25:00,749 --> 00:25:04,987 CHANGING THE WAY THAT REVIEW CRITERIA ARE DEFINED 563 00:25:04,987 --> 00:25:09,625 AND IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY THAT MAKES THEM MORE FAIR, 564 00:25:09,625 --> 00:25:14,329 CHANGING THE REVIEW CRITERIA IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF 565 00:25:14,329 --> 00:25:16,665 FOR FELLOWSHIP APPLICATIONS, 566 00:25:17,966 --> 00:25:21,637 DIVERSIFYING OUR REVIEW COMMITTEES, 567 00:25:21,637 --> 00:25:24,573 AND MAKING REALLY CONCERTED EFFORTS 568 00:25:26,675 --> 00:25:27,776 TO REACH OUT, 569 00:25:28,977 --> 00:25:32,214 NOT JUST TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SUBMIT THE BULK 570 00:25:32,214 --> 00:25:35,050 OF THE BIG GRANT APPLICATIONS NOW, 571 00:25:38,087 --> 00:25:41,824 BUT REACHING OUT TO SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS 572 00:25:41,824 --> 00:25:44,393 THAT DON'T SUBMIT SO MANY 573 00:25:44,393 --> 00:25:46,428 AND THAT I THINK PROBABLY CAN BENEFIT MORE 574 00:25:46,428 --> 00:25:48,063 FROM THE INFORMATION. 575 00:25:48,063 --> 00:25:50,966 SO THAT LATTER POINT IS REALLY THE, 576 00:25:52,868 --> 00:25:54,903 YEAH, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON, 577 00:25:54,903 --> 00:25:56,739 BUT THIS LATTER POINT, 578 00:25:58,407 --> 00:26:02,344 JUST TO AMPLIFY REALLY WHAT JON AND MARIE SAID, 579 00:26:03,178 --> 00:26:05,280 IS THAT WE'RE ACCESSIBLE. 580 00:26:06,615 --> 00:26:09,818 SO JON SAID REACH OUT TO A PROGRAM OFFICER, 581 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:10,853 I'LL EXPAND THAT, 582 00:26:10,853 --> 00:26:12,821 JUST REACH OUT TO THE NIH, 583 00:26:12,821 --> 00:26:15,357 AND IF YOU'RE NOT SURE WHO AT THE NIH, 584 00:26:15,357 --> 00:26:16,759 YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME, 585 00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:19,995 YOU CAN REACH OUT TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR. 586 00:26:19,995 --> 00:26:22,498 WE READ ALL OUR EMAILS, 587 00:26:22,498 --> 00:26:24,366 WE RESPOND TO ALL OUR EMAILS. 588 00:26:24,366 --> 00:26:25,567 WE'RE NOT THE RIGHT PERSON, 589 00:26:25,567 --> 00:26:27,269 WE'LL GET YOU TO THE RIGHT PERSON. 590 00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:29,705 SO I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, 591 00:26:29,705 --> 00:26:33,742 THAT HOPEFULLY TODAY IS NOT THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION, 592 00:26:33,742 --> 00:26:35,878 BUT WE'RE AVAILABLE, YOU KNOW, 593 00:26:35,878 --> 00:26:37,246 SO WHEN YOU NEED TO, 594 00:26:37,246 --> 00:26:38,647 PLEASE REACH OUT. 595 00:26:38,647 --> 00:26:39,581 SO, THANKS. 596 00:26:41,016 --> 00:26:44,787 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 597 00:26:44,787 --> 00:26:46,955 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE FOUR OF YOU 598 00:26:46,955 --> 00:26:49,224 FOR THOSE OPENING COMMENTS. 599 00:26:49,224 --> 00:26:51,326 THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MEETING 600 00:26:51,326 --> 00:26:54,062 THAN WHAT NIH USUALLY HAS IN TERMS OF, 601 00:26:54,062 --> 00:26:57,533 THAT THE GOAL IS NOT TO GIVE YOU SCIENTIFIC PRESENTATIONS 602 00:26:57,533 --> 00:26:58,934 AND DISCUSS THE SCIENCE, 603 00:26:58,934 --> 00:27:01,003 THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR INTERACTION, 604 00:27:01,003 --> 00:27:01,970 FOR INPUT, 605 00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:03,906 TO HAVE SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED, 606 00:27:03,906 --> 00:27:05,941 FOR BI-DIRECTIONAL COMMUNICATION. 607 00:27:05,941 --> 00:27:07,876 AND THIS MEETING REALLY IS THE BRAINCHILD 608 00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:09,511 OF THOSE THAT YOU SEE SITTING HERE, 609 00:27:09,511 --> 00:27:10,979 SO I WANNA THANK YOU VERY MUCH 610 00:27:10,979 --> 00:27:13,916 FOR THIS IDEA TO HAVE THIS MEETING 611 00:27:13,916 --> 00:27:16,251 AND RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING SO. 612 00:27:16,251 --> 00:27:19,288 SO BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS 613 00:27:19,288 --> 00:27:20,656 AND TO HAVE MORE OF A DIALOGUE, 614 00:27:20,656 --> 00:27:23,292 I DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I'D LIKE ALL OF YOU TO ANSWER, 615 00:27:23,292 --> 00:27:25,227 IF YOU COULD, FOR A COUPLE MINUTES. 616 00:27:25,227 --> 00:27:27,729 YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU SHARE WITH US A FEW THOUGHTS 617 00:27:27,729 --> 00:27:31,533 ON WHAT YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT AT THE INCEPTION, 618 00:27:31,533 --> 00:27:32,768 THE CONCEPT OF THIS MEETING, 619 00:27:32,768 --> 00:27:34,837 AND WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE THIS AUDIENCE, 620 00:27:34,837 --> 00:27:35,771 ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, 621 00:27:35,771 --> 00:27:37,906 THAT WE HAVE INSTITUTIONAL LEADERS WITH US TODAY, 622 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:40,509 TO THINK ABOUT OVER THE NEXT DAY AND A HALF 623 00:27:40,509 --> 00:27:45,013 AND WHAT YOU HOPE THEY TAKE AWAY FROM THIS EXPERIENCE. 624 00:27:46,114 --> 00:27:46,949 WE CAN START WHEREVER, 625 00:27:46,949 --> 00:27:50,118 MAYBE ELISEO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? 626 00:27:50,953 --> 00:27:51,787 - SO, 627 00:27:54,122 --> 00:27:55,424 YOU KNOW, NIH FUNDING, 628 00:27:55,424 --> 00:27:57,593 NIH, A $50 BILLION AGENCY, 629 00:27:58,594 --> 00:28:03,098 WOULD GIVE AWAY AT LEAST 80% OF OUR BUDGET, 630 00:28:03,098 --> 00:28:04,666 SO YOU DO THE MATH. 631 00:28:05,868 --> 00:28:09,438 MOST OF THAT MONEY GOES TO 20 INSTITUTIONS, 632 00:28:10,472 --> 00:28:11,840 50 INSTITUTIONS MAYBE, 633 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,109 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 634 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,310 THAT'S A REALITY. 635 00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:18,714 I MEAN, WE'VE KNOWN THIS FOR A LONG TIME. 636 00:28:19,681 --> 00:28:21,884 I'M A PRODUCT OF ONE OF THOSE INSTITUTIONS, 637 00:28:21,884 --> 00:28:26,288 I WAS AT UCSF FOR ALL MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER. 638 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:28,624 BUT FROM THE NATIONAL STAGE, 639 00:28:28,624 --> 00:28:30,626 IT IS SO CRITICALLY IMPORTANT 640 00:28:30,626 --> 00:28:34,563 THAT WE DEVELOP AND SUPPORT RESEARCH CAPACITY 641 00:28:34,563 --> 00:28:38,400 FOR THOSE INSTITUTIONS THAT YOU REPRESENT HERE 642 00:28:39,234 --> 00:28:44,239 AND GEOGRAPHICALLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. 643 00:28:44,239 --> 00:28:45,974 THAT'S NOT SO OBVIOUS 644 00:28:47,376 --> 00:28:50,846 TO THOSE SITTING IN THE TOP-NOTCH INSTITUTIONS, 645 00:28:50,846 --> 00:28:52,781 AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY DEVELOP 646 00:28:52,781 --> 00:28:54,917 AND SUPPORT THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESEARCH 647 00:28:54,917 --> 00:28:56,752 THAT ARE SUPPORTED. 648 00:28:56,752 --> 00:29:00,255 SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT DRIVES THIS EFFORT, 649 00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:03,492 THAT IS WHAT DRIVES OUR EFFORT AT NMHD, 650 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,094 TO CREATE INITIATIVES 651 00:29:07,796 --> 00:29:11,800 THAT ARE REALLY TARGETED EITHER GEOGRAPHICALLY, 652 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,203 POPULATION-WISE OR INSTITUTIONAL-WISE. 653 00:29:15,203 --> 00:29:18,540 I WILL SAY THAT IN OUR R01 APPLICATIONS, 654 00:29:20,342 --> 00:29:23,845 WE INFREQUENTLY SEE APPLICATIONS COMING IN 655 00:29:25,747 --> 00:29:28,550 FROM INSTITUTIONS THAT I DEFINED EARLIER AS, 656 00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:31,053 YOU KNOW, LESS THAN $50 MILLION OVER THREE YEARS, 657 00:29:31,053 --> 00:29:32,654 WHICH IS ALREADY A HIGH BAR 658 00:29:32,654 --> 00:29:36,258 COMPARED TO MANY OF YOUR INSTITUTIONS HERE. 659 00:29:38,593 --> 00:29:41,930 AND I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK AT THIS 660 00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:44,499 AND PROVIDE AS MUCH SUPPORT AS POSSIBLE. 661 00:29:44,499 --> 00:29:46,401 I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT JON SAID 662 00:29:46,401 --> 00:29:48,437 ABOUT CALL PROGRAM OFFICERS. 663 00:29:48,437 --> 00:29:50,205 IT IS THEIR JOB. 664 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:52,474 AND DO NOT HESITATE TO REACH OUT 665 00:29:52,474 --> 00:29:54,977 TO DR. WEBB HOOPER OR ME 666 00:29:54,977 --> 00:29:57,012 IF SOMEONE ISN'T BEING RESPONSIVE, 667 00:29:57,012 --> 00:29:59,648 WE CAN USUALLY GET THEM TO PAY ATTENTION. 668 00:29:59,648 --> 00:30:00,482 THANKS. 669 00:30:02,684 --> 00:30:06,655 - I THINK IT'S GONNA END UP BEING DITTO, DITTO, DITTO. 670 00:30:06,655 --> 00:30:07,789 AND I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT 671 00:30:07,789 --> 00:30:09,324 THAT I HAVE A LOT OF GRAY HAIR. 672 00:30:09,324 --> 00:30:11,360 I HAD ANOTHER LIFE BEFORE I CAME TO NIH, 673 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,063 AND THAT LIFE WAS AS A DEPARTMENT CHAIR 674 00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:17,566 AT UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA COLLEGE OF MEDICINE. 675 00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:21,336 AND I WOULD TELL MY FACULTY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT 676 00:30:21,336 --> 00:30:23,839 TO MAKE OUTREACH TO THE PROGRAM OFFICERS. 677 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:24,973 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 678 00:30:24,973 --> 00:30:26,074 AND, YOU KNOW, 679 00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:29,644 PEOPLE WOULD HEAR THAT AND BE HESITANT. 680 00:30:29,644 --> 00:30:32,114 BUT NOW THAT I'VE BEEN AT NIH FOR A WHILE, 681 00:30:32,114 --> 00:30:33,715 I CAN'T SAY IT STRONGLY ENOUGH. 682 00:30:33,715 --> 00:30:35,550 IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 683 00:30:36,485 --> 00:30:38,587 I SPENT ABOUT 13 YEARS 684 00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:41,089 AS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR AT AN INSTITUTE, 685 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:44,059 AND I GOT TO SEE VERY FREQUENTLY 686 00:30:44,059 --> 00:30:48,964 THAT WHEN THERE WERE GRANTS THAT WERE ALL SCORED EQUALLY, 687 00:30:48,964 --> 00:30:50,132 IT WAS A PROGRAM OFFICER 688 00:30:50,132 --> 00:30:52,034 WHO WOULD BRING SOMETHING TO OUR ATTENTION 689 00:30:52,034 --> 00:30:53,802 BECAUSE THEY HAPPENED TO KNOW THAT SCIENTIST. 690 00:30:53,802 --> 00:30:56,772 SO I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU AS LEADERS 691 00:30:56,772 --> 00:30:58,874 TO HAVE YOUR FACULTY TAKE ADVANTAGE 692 00:30:58,874 --> 00:31:00,842 OF WHAT DR. PEREZ-STABLE SAID, 693 00:31:00,842 --> 00:31:04,346 WHAT DR. LORSCH SAID, WHAT DR. REED SAID. 694 00:31:04,346 --> 00:31:07,315 LOOK AT OUR WEBSITE ABOUT THE EARA INITIATIVE, 695 00:31:07,315 --> 00:31:09,384 AND WE'RE THERE TO HELP AS WELL, 696 00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:11,420 BECAUSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. 697 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:12,587 THERE'S NO QUESTION, 698 00:31:12,587 --> 00:31:15,123 FACULTY NEED TO HAVE PROTECTED TIME AND RESOURCES 699 00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:16,858 TO DEVELOP A GOOD PROPOSAL, 700 00:31:16,858 --> 00:31:20,295 TO DEVELOP A GOOD ABSTRACT AND SPECIFIC AIMS 701 00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:21,663 IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD. 702 00:31:21,663 --> 00:31:23,331 BUT THOSE CONVERSATIONS, 703 00:31:23,331 --> 00:31:25,534 THAT INTERACTION IS INVALUABLE. 704 00:31:25,534 --> 00:31:27,903 SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU TAKE FROM THIS MEETING, 705 00:31:27,903 --> 00:31:29,638 THAT'LL BE SOMETHING. 706 00:31:31,206 --> 00:31:32,974 - I'LL SAY DITTO AS WELL, I THINK, 707 00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:35,811 ELISEO AND MARIE PUT IT VERY WELL. 708 00:31:36,678 --> 00:31:39,881 ONE OF THE REASONS NIGMS HAS BEEN SO FOCUSED 709 00:31:39,881 --> 00:31:44,386 ON RESEARCH CAPACITY BUILDING AND BUILDING DIVERSITY 710 00:31:44,386 --> 00:31:47,122 ACROSS ALL DIMENSIONS OF OUR PORTFOLIO 711 00:31:47,122 --> 00:31:50,792 IS THAT BY NOT HAVING THAT KIND OF DIVERSITY 712 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,896 AND BY NOT HAVING RESEARCH GOING ON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY 713 00:31:54,896 --> 00:31:57,632 AND HAVING THIS DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDING 714 00:31:57,632 --> 00:31:58,834 THAT ELISEO TALKED ABOUT 715 00:31:58,834 --> 00:32:01,470 THAT'S VERY SKEWED TO A FEW INSTITUTIONS, 716 00:32:01,470 --> 00:32:04,206 WE ARE LOSING BOTH TALENT 717 00:32:04,206 --> 00:32:06,274 AND WE'RE LOSING IDEAS. 718 00:32:06,274 --> 00:32:08,944 AND THAT IS VERY DETRIMENTAL TO SCIENCE 719 00:32:08,944 --> 00:32:10,946 AND VERY DETRIMENTAL TO THE COUNTRY. 720 00:32:10,946 --> 00:32:15,617 AND SO BY FUNDING MORE INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS YOURS, 721 00:32:15,617 --> 00:32:18,286 WE WILL NOT LOSE THAT TALENT, 722 00:32:18,286 --> 00:32:20,021 THERE'S TALENT EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, 723 00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,324 NOT JUST ON THE COASTS OR IN CERTAIN, 724 00:32:22,324 --> 00:32:26,461 YOU KNOW, MORE POPULOUS OR WEALTHY STATES, 725 00:32:26,461 --> 00:32:28,897 AND WE'LL NOT LOSE IDEAS 726 00:32:28,897 --> 00:32:30,999 THAT NEED TO BE EXPLORED AND TESTED 727 00:32:30,999 --> 00:32:34,803 AND COULD BE THE NEXT GREAT ADVANCE IN MEDICINE. 728 00:32:34,803 --> 00:32:36,671 THE OTHER THING I'LL JUST MENTION 729 00:32:36,671 --> 00:32:39,674 IN TERMS OF WHY WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE THIS MEETING 730 00:32:39,674 --> 00:32:42,177 IS THAT NIH DOES HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS 731 00:32:42,177 --> 00:32:45,113 TO SUPPORT INSTITUTIONS SUCH AS YOURS, 732 00:32:45,113 --> 00:32:46,781 BUT FREQUENTLY WE FIND 733 00:32:46,781 --> 00:32:50,285 THAT INSTITUTIONS DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAMS. 734 00:32:50,285 --> 00:32:52,154 AND THEREFORE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO, 735 00:32:52,154 --> 00:32:53,989 AND THIS IS PART OF WHAT THE EARA INITIATIVE, 736 00:32:53,989 --> 00:32:55,590 FOR INSTANCE, IS ABOUT, 737 00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:58,527 IS TO MAKE INSTITUTIONS AWARE 738 00:32:58,527 --> 00:33:00,061 OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM, 739 00:33:00,061 --> 00:33:03,431 WHAT IS BEING TARGETED TO THAT PARTICULAR INSTITUTION TYPE 740 00:33:03,431 --> 00:33:05,233 SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE USE OF IT 741 00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:06,635 AND PUT IN THOSE APPLICATIONS, 742 00:33:06,635 --> 00:33:07,636 LIKE ELISEO SAID. 743 00:33:07,636 --> 00:33:10,805 WE CAN'T FUND WHAT WE DON'T RECEIVE AS AN APPLICATION, 744 00:33:10,805 --> 00:33:13,108 SO WE NEED TO GET APPLICATIONS FROM YOU 745 00:33:13,108 --> 00:33:15,210 SO THAT WE CAN FUND THEM. 746 00:33:17,946 --> 00:33:19,281 - ALL RIGHT, SO, 747 00:33:20,515 --> 00:33:24,085 A THIRD DITTO, BUT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. 748 00:33:26,555 --> 00:33:27,389 SO, 749 00:33:31,126 --> 00:33:33,628 FIRST, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU THE TWO MESSAGES 750 00:33:33,628 --> 00:33:34,796 THAT I WANT YOU TO TAKE HOME 751 00:33:34,796 --> 00:33:37,499 AND (CHUCKLES) GET THE WORD OUT ON. 752 00:33:37,499 --> 00:33:40,168 ONE IS THAT PEER REVIEW IS CHANGING 753 00:33:40,168 --> 00:33:41,603 TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, 754 00:33:41,603 --> 00:33:44,306 AND THE OTHER IS THAT WE'RE ACCESSIBLE. 755 00:33:44,306 --> 00:33:48,343 ON THIS POINT OF MAKING THE PLAYING FIELD MORE ACCESSIBLE 756 00:33:48,343 --> 00:33:49,611 OR MORE, YOU KNOW, 757 00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:53,515 MAKE IT MORE, LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, 758 00:33:53,515 --> 00:33:57,219 WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT, AS ELISEO SAID, 759 00:33:57,219 --> 00:34:00,021 YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF GRANTS COME 760 00:34:00,021 --> 00:34:02,390 FROM A SMALL NUMBER OF INSTITUTIONS, 761 00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:03,992 AND IN THE REVIEW PROCESS, 762 00:34:03,992 --> 00:34:07,495 THE PLAYING FIELD IS NOT ALWAYS LEVEL, SO. 763 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:11,199 AND THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT IS, 764 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:13,335 WHAT JON SAID, 765 00:34:13,335 --> 00:34:16,438 IS THAT WHEN IT'S NOT LEVEL, 766 00:34:16,438 --> 00:34:19,040 YOU MISS OUT ON IDENTIFYING THE BEST, 767 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,377 AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE NIH NEEDS TO DO, 768 00:34:22,377 --> 00:34:23,745 WANTS TO DO. 769 00:34:23,745 --> 00:34:27,749 SO WE HOPE THAT THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING 770 00:34:27,749 --> 00:34:29,451 DO MAKE IT MORE FAIR 771 00:34:29,451 --> 00:34:33,688 AND MAKE IT A MORE ACCESSIBLE PROCESS FOR EVERYBODY 772 00:34:35,023 --> 00:34:36,925 BUT ALSO BENEFIT THE NIH 773 00:34:36,925 --> 00:34:42,063 IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THE BEST SCIENCE. 774 00:34:42,063 --> 00:34:43,565 AND THEN THE FINAL THING I'D SAY IS, 775 00:34:43,565 --> 00:34:46,768 YOU KNOW, SO I HAVE IDEAS ABOUT 776 00:34:46,768 --> 00:34:49,571 WHAT I CAN SAY THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL, 777 00:34:49,571 --> 00:34:52,574 BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. 778 00:34:52,574 --> 00:34:55,910 THAT'S ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING YOU ALL HERE. 779 00:34:55,910 --> 00:34:58,113 AND SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD 780 00:34:58,113 --> 00:35:00,682 TO YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR COMMENTS, 781 00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:03,418 YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS. 782 00:35:03,418 --> 00:35:05,020 - THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 783 00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:07,522 SO, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU 784 00:35:08,823 --> 00:35:10,959 TO ASK QUESTIONS BASED ON THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD 785 00:35:10,959 --> 00:35:13,828 OR OTHER RELEVANT TOPICS. 786 00:35:13,828 --> 00:35:14,896 IF YOU WOULD JUST RAISE YOUR HAND, 787 00:35:14,896 --> 00:35:15,930 I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE YOU, 788 00:35:15,930 --> 00:35:17,232 AND THEN ASK YOU TO, RIGHT, 789 00:35:17,232 --> 00:35:18,266 TO USE YOUR MICROPHONE 790 00:35:18,266 --> 00:35:19,868 AND ALSO JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF, 791 00:35:19,868 --> 00:35:22,270 YOUR NAME, YOUR INSTITUTION 792 00:35:22,270 --> 00:35:23,104 WHEN YOU START, 793 00:35:23,104 --> 00:35:26,441 WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, START YOUR QUESTION. 794 00:35:27,475 --> 00:35:28,310 PLEASE. 795 00:35:30,111 --> 00:35:30,945 - HI. 796 00:35:30,945 --> 00:35:32,113 OOH, IT'S LOUDER THAN I THOUGHT. 797 00:35:32,113 --> 00:35:32,947 (MONICA CHUCKLES) 798 00:35:32,947 --> 00:35:34,816 PAUL MURPHY, UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY. 799 00:35:34,816 --> 00:35:36,584 I HAVE A QUESTION FOR BRUCE 800 00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:39,554 ABOUT THE NEW PEER REVIEW PROGRAM. 801 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:40,388 I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, 802 00:35:40,388 --> 00:35:41,823 I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 803 00:35:41,823 --> 00:35:43,625 THINGS LIKE REDUCING REPUTATIONAL BIAS 804 00:35:43,625 --> 00:35:46,494 AND BIAS AGAINST CERTAIN INSTITUTIONS IS TERRIFIC. 805 00:35:46,494 --> 00:35:49,464 I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT ARE THE KIND OF LONG-TERM PLANS 806 00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:53,468 FOR EVALUATING HOW WELL THAT PROGRAM IS WORKING. 807 00:35:58,807 --> 00:35:59,641 - SO, 808 00:36:03,144 --> 00:36:06,648 SO WE WILL EVALUATE THIS IN MULTIPLE WAYS. 809 00:36:10,318 --> 00:36:13,154 THE FIRST WAY IS BY WATCHING WHAT HAPPENS 810 00:36:13,154 --> 00:36:14,789 IN PEER REVIEW MEETINGS, RIGHT? 811 00:36:14,789 --> 00:36:17,158 YOU CAN, IF YOU GO IN. 812 00:36:17,158 --> 00:36:18,960 SO, JUST TO BE, 813 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,032 JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE, RIGHT? 814 00:36:24,032 --> 00:36:26,668 WHEN WE REFER TO REPUTATIONAL BIAS, 815 00:36:26,668 --> 00:36:29,504 SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PHENOMENON 816 00:36:29,504 --> 00:36:33,341 WHEN GRANTS THAT COME FROM BIG NAME GET A PASS 817 00:36:34,309 --> 00:36:35,410 AND THOSE THAT COME 818 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:40,482 FROM A LESSER NAME GET SCRUTINIZED EXTRA CAREFULLY, 819 00:36:40,482 --> 00:36:42,384 AND NEITHER ONE OF THOSE IS FAIR, RIGHT? 820 00:36:42,384 --> 00:36:45,053 AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE 821 00:36:45,053 --> 00:36:47,622 WITH SOME OF THESE PEER REVIEW CHANGES. 822 00:36:47,622 --> 00:36:50,458 SO HOW DO WE EVALUATE IT? 823 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:51,626 WELL, ONE IS THAT WE WATCH 824 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:54,596 WHAT HAPPENS IN PEER REVIEW MEETINGS. 825 00:36:54,596 --> 00:36:57,198 YOU CAN SEE THE PRESENCE OF THIS IN MEETINGS NOW. 826 00:36:57,198 --> 00:37:01,069 WE'LL BE WATCHING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIMINISHES. 827 00:37:01,069 --> 00:37:02,370 YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN CRITIQUES, 828 00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:03,905 YOU CAN LOOK AT IT IN SUMMARY STATEMENTS. 829 00:37:03,905 --> 00:37:06,307 AGAIN, WE WANNA SEE IT REDUCED. 830 00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:07,876 AND THEN OVER TIME, 831 00:37:09,677 --> 00:37:11,012 ONE WOULD EXPECT 832 00:37:13,014 --> 00:37:16,684 THAT THIS SORT OF HIGHLY SKEWED DISTRIBUTION 833 00:37:18,086 --> 00:37:20,422 OF WHERE APPLICATIONS COME FROM 834 00:37:20,422 --> 00:37:23,558 AND WHERE THE SUCCESSFUL ONES ARE LEVELS OUT A BIT 835 00:37:23,558 --> 00:37:25,193 AND THAT YOU GET SOME CHANGES 836 00:37:25,193 --> 00:37:26,694 AND THAT YOU GET SOME 837 00:37:26,694 --> 00:37:30,331 AND THAT IF YOU LOOK AT WHO GETS SCORED WELL 838 00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:33,334 THAT YOU DO SEE A SHIFT TOWARDS PEOPLE 839 00:37:33,334 --> 00:37:36,671 WHO COME INTO IT WITH NOT SUCH BIG NAMES 840 00:37:37,906 --> 00:37:41,576 AND FROM NOT THE VERY ELITE R1 INSTITUTIONS. 841 00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:47,015 - [MONICA] THANK YOU. 842 00:37:47,015 --> 00:37:48,016 YES, PLEASE. 843 00:37:49,417 --> 00:37:52,487 - SHAWN HOLT, WINSTON-SALEM STATE UNIVERSITY. 844 00:37:52,487 --> 00:37:54,889 I THINK THE BIAS TRAINING 845 00:37:54,889 --> 00:37:57,158 AND THE SIMPLIFIED REVIEW FRAMEWORK 846 00:37:57,158 --> 00:38:00,762 AND THE DIVERSIFYING THE REVIEW COMMITTEES, 847 00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:04,632 I THINK THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD THINGS, 848 00:38:04,632 --> 00:38:09,204 BUT THE IDEA OF REDISTRIBUTING SOME OF THE FUNDING 849 00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:11,005 OR A LOT OF THE FUNDING, 850 00:38:11,005 --> 00:38:11,840 HOW DO YOU DO THAT? 851 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,676 THAT'S A GOOD START, BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT? 852 00:38:14,676 --> 00:38:17,345 INSTITUTIONS LIKE OURS LACK TIME 853 00:38:18,847 --> 00:38:22,383 WHEN PEOPLE ARE TEACHING 12 CREDIT HOURS A SEMESTER. 854 00:38:22,383 --> 00:38:23,985 WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? 855 00:38:23,985 --> 00:38:27,989 IS THERE SUPPORT MECHANISMS FOR RESEARCH CAPACITY 856 00:38:27,989 --> 00:38:30,658 AND GRANTS OF THAT NATURE THAT MIGHT BE, 857 00:38:30,658 --> 00:38:32,126 I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU THE ANSWER, 858 00:38:32,126 --> 00:38:34,796 BUT JUST SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES 859 00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:39,400 THAT MIGHT SPEAK TO A SHIFT FOR INSTITUTIONS LIKE OURS. 860 00:38:40,668 --> 00:38:42,904 - YEAH, SO I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. 861 00:38:42,904 --> 00:38:43,771 AND AS I MENTIONED, 862 00:38:43,771 --> 00:38:45,540 THERE ARE ALREADY A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, 863 00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,542 BUT IT COULD BE THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES 864 00:38:47,542 --> 00:38:48,376 THAT ARE NEEDED. 865 00:38:48,376 --> 00:38:49,677 AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS 866 00:38:49,677 --> 00:38:52,413 WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR FROM YOU. 867 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:53,948 SO THERE ARE PROGRAMS SUCH AS SURE, 868 00:38:53,948 --> 00:38:54,983 WHICH YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT, 869 00:38:54,983 --> 00:38:58,152 THAT SUPPORT FACULTY TO DO RESEARCH WITH STUDENTS 870 00:38:58,152 --> 00:39:00,822 AT LESSER-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS, 871 00:39:00,822 --> 00:39:01,656 AND YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, 872 00:39:01,656 --> 00:39:02,724 YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS, 873 00:39:02,724 --> 00:39:05,460 BUT SOME OF THAT CAN PAY FOR SUMMER, 874 00:39:05,460 --> 00:39:07,662 YOU KNOW, TIME, ET CETERA. 875 00:39:07,662 --> 00:39:09,864 SUMMER SALARY TIME. 876 00:39:09,864 --> 00:39:11,866 WE ALSO ARE WORKING ON A PROGRAM 877 00:39:11,866 --> 00:39:16,704 THAT SHOULD BE OUT RELATIVELY SOON CALLED BRISPAD, 878 00:39:16,704 --> 00:39:21,242 WHICH WILL SUPPORT INSTITUTIONS TO BUILD RESEARCH CAPACITY 879 00:39:21,242 --> 00:39:22,911 BOTH AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, 880 00:39:22,911 --> 00:39:26,281 SO IN TERMS OF SPONSORED PROGRAMS OFFICES, 881 00:39:26,281 --> 00:39:27,549 WHICH WE KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, 882 00:39:27,549 --> 00:39:29,851 A MAJOR DISPARITY FROM AN INSTITUTION 883 00:39:29,851 --> 00:39:32,287 THAT GETS LOTS OF GRANTS TO ONE THAT DOESN'T, 884 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,255 AND WILL ALSO SUPPORT FACULTY 885 00:39:34,255 --> 00:39:36,090 IN THE SORTS OF THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 886 00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:38,660 IN TERMS OF PILOT PROJECT TIME, 887 00:39:40,228 --> 00:39:41,863 MAYBE COURSE BUYOUT TIME, 888 00:39:41,863 --> 00:39:43,464 THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 889 00:39:43,464 --> 00:39:45,867 SO THOSE ARE JUST EXAMPLES. 890 00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:47,402 THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS 891 00:39:47,402 --> 00:39:50,138 THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT THOSE KINDS OF GOALS 892 00:39:50,138 --> 00:39:51,773 THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 893 00:39:51,773 --> 00:39:54,409 BUT PART OF THE KEY IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS 894 00:39:54,409 --> 00:39:58,346 TO CARVE OUT SUPPORT FOR INSTITUTIONS, 895 00:39:58,346 --> 00:40:01,416 YOU KNOW, THAT ARE MAYBE MORE FOCUSED ON UNDERGRADUATES 896 00:40:01,416 --> 00:40:03,985 THAT DON'T GET AS MUCH NIH SUPPORT, 897 00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:07,221 AND THAT PROTECTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY 898 00:40:07,221 --> 00:40:09,824 AND MOVES IT, YOU KNOW, FROM, 899 00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:12,060 IF YOU WILL, THE VERY LARGE INSTITUTIONS 900 00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:15,897 TOWARDS INSTITUTIONS REPRESENTED IN THIS ROOM. 901 00:40:17,131 --> 00:40:18,633 - [MONICA] THANK YOU, SO WE'LL START HERE, 902 00:40:18,633 --> 00:40:20,501 AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE GENTLEMAN. 903 00:40:20,501 --> 00:40:21,502 PLEASE, YES. 904 00:40:24,372 --> 00:40:25,473 - HI, SO MELISSA HARRINGTON, 905 00:40:25,473 --> 00:40:26,975 DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY. 906 00:40:26,975 --> 00:40:30,311 ONE THING THAT I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS DIALOGUE 907 00:40:30,311 --> 00:40:32,880 AND TO SHARE WITH YOU IS A HOPE 908 00:40:33,881 --> 00:40:37,986 THAT AS YOU DEVELOP THESE PROGRAMS OR LOOK AT THEM 909 00:40:37,986 --> 00:40:42,090 THAT THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE TARGETED AT THESE INSTITUTIONS 910 00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:44,726 WITH SMALLER RESEARCH PORTFOLIOS 911 00:40:44,726 --> 00:40:46,861 AND EMERGING RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS 912 00:40:46,861 --> 00:40:51,899 DON'T SORT OF PERPETUATE SOME STRUCTURAL INEQUITIES. 913 00:40:51,899 --> 00:40:54,736 AND I'LL GIVE, SO ONE EXAMPLE, 914 00:40:54,736 --> 00:40:55,903 SO FOR AN R01, 915 00:40:58,473 --> 00:41:03,578 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE PI DEVOTE 50% OF THEIR TIME. 916 00:41:03,578 --> 00:41:04,846 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT 917 00:41:04,846 --> 00:41:08,850 THAT THEY BE A TENURE-TRACK FACULTY MEMBER THERE, 918 00:41:08,850 --> 00:41:10,184 AND SOME OTHER, 919 00:41:10,184 --> 00:41:11,352 THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT 920 00:41:11,352 --> 00:41:13,254 THAT THEY BE A PERMANENT RESIDENT, RIGHT? 921 00:41:13,254 --> 00:41:17,058 IT'S JUST ABOUT SUPPORTING THE SCIENCE. 922 00:41:17,058 --> 00:41:20,461 AND THAT MODEL HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL 923 00:41:20,461 --> 00:41:23,398 FOR GROWING RESEARCH AT RESEARCH UNIVERSITIES 924 00:41:23,398 --> 00:41:25,166 BECAUSE IT'S SO FLEXIBLE. 925 00:41:25,166 --> 00:41:29,137 BUT THEN THERE'S A REALLY KIND OF PATERNALISTIC 926 00:41:29,137 --> 00:41:32,507 AND, YOU KNOW, A NONEQUIVALENT APPROACH 927 00:41:32,507 --> 00:41:33,975 AT INSTITUTIONS LIKE MINE, 928 00:41:33,975 --> 00:41:35,510 I'M FROM DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY, 929 00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:37,145 IT'S AN HBCU. 930 00:41:37,145 --> 00:41:38,446 OKAY, SO IT'S LIKE, OKAY, 931 00:41:38,446 --> 00:41:39,981 FOR YOU GUYS TO GET MONEY, 932 00:41:39,981 --> 00:41:43,151 IT'S ONLY TENURE-TRACK PEOPLE ARE ELIGIBLE, 933 00:41:43,151 --> 00:41:46,521 ONLY PERMANENT RESIDENTS, RIGHT? 934 00:41:46,521 --> 00:41:50,058 THERE'S SOME INITIATIVES LIKE SCORE AND NOW SURE 935 00:41:50,058 --> 00:41:51,726 WHERE OUR FACULTY, REALLY, 936 00:41:51,726 --> 00:41:53,027 THEY CAN'T APPLY 937 00:41:53,027 --> 00:41:57,265 BECAUSE MY INSTITUTION CANNOT GIVE 50%. 938 00:41:57,265 --> 00:42:00,168 YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT 50% TIME 939 00:42:00,168 --> 00:42:01,436 AS PART OF THE BUDGET, 940 00:42:01,436 --> 00:42:05,573 AND THEN THAT MAKES THE PROPOSAL REALLY UNCOMPETITIVE 941 00:42:05,573 --> 00:42:07,075 IF IT'S A $100,000 GRANT 942 00:42:07,075 --> 00:42:10,344 AND $60,000 OF IT IS GOING TO PAY THE PI'S TIME. 943 00:42:10,344 --> 00:42:14,315 AND SO I'M HOPING THAT WHEN YOU GUYS PREPARE, 944 00:42:14,315 --> 00:42:17,085 KIND OF ARE THINKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE PROGRAMS 945 00:42:17,085 --> 00:42:20,922 THAT ARE REALLY GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT, 946 00:42:20,922 --> 00:42:25,593 I THINK YOU WANNA LOOK TO YOU'RE NOT CREATING CONDITIONS 947 00:42:26,527 --> 00:42:29,130 THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT 948 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:32,934 FOR THESE EMERGING INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE FOR THE R01S 949 00:42:32,934 --> 00:42:34,402 THAT ARE GONNA MAKE IT HARDER FOR THEM 950 00:42:34,402 --> 00:42:38,973 TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT AND GROW THEIR OWN PROGRAMS. 951 00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:40,541 WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THE TENURE TRACK, 952 00:42:40,541 --> 00:42:45,446 SO OUR TENURED OR TENURE-TRACK FACULTY ARE VERY SENIOR. 953 00:42:45,446 --> 00:42:49,584 THEY DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND OR THE CREDENTIALS, 954 00:42:49,584 --> 00:42:51,853 REALLY, TO BE COMPETITIVE, 955 00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:53,087 TO BE TERRIBLY COMPETITIVE, 956 00:42:53,087 --> 00:42:54,655 AND NOT A LOT OF INTEREST IN SOME OF IT, 957 00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:56,824 IN PURSUING RESEARCH. 958 00:42:56,824 --> 00:42:59,460 OUR INSTITUTION IS NOT GROWING THE NUMBER 959 00:42:59,460 --> 00:43:00,795 OF TENURE-TRACK FACULTY, 960 00:43:00,795 --> 00:43:03,064 AS MOST INSTITUTIONS ARE, RIGHT? 961 00:43:03,064 --> 00:43:04,632 WE ARE BRINGING IN, 962 00:43:06,300 --> 00:43:08,770 YOU KNOW, KIND OF RESEARCH FACULTY, 963 00:43:08,770 --> 00:43:11,873 BUT THEN THEY'RE ONLY ELIGIBLE FOR R15, R01, 964 00:43:11,873 --> 00:43:14,142 THERE'S NO TRAINING WHEELS FOR THEM, 965 00:43:14,142 --> 00:43:17,011 AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT CAN BE SOMETHING 966 00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:19,313 THAT YOU GUYS COULD LOOK AT. 967 00:43:21,182 --> 00:43:22,850 - I THINK THOSE ARE EXCELLENT POINTS. 968 00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:24,385 YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US 969 00:43:24,385 --> 00:43:27,588 TO UNDERSTAND THE SHIFTING ENVIRONMENT 970 00:43:27,588 --> 00:43:30,558 BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, 971 00:43:30,558 --> 00:43:33,127 YOU KNOW, THAT ARE IN THESE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES 972 00:43:33,127 --> 00:43:36,197 WERE THERE TO TRY TO NOT INCENTIVIZE, 973 00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:41,869 YOU KNOW, HIRING LOTS OF ADJUNCT FACULTY, FOR EXAMPLE. 974 00:43:44,105 --> 00:43:47,441 BUT IF THERE'S NOW A MOVE TOWARDS NON-TENURE 975 00:43:47,441 --> 00:43:49,577 BUT RESEARCH-TRACK FACULTY, 976 00:43:49,577 --> 00:43:51,179 THAT MAY BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT 977 00:43:51,179 --> 00:43:53,981 IN TERMS OF TWEAKING THE LANGUAGE. 978 00:43:57,118 --> 00:43:59,620 - SO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 979 00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:00,922 YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, 980 00:44:00,922 --> 00:44:04,025 AND THIS, AGAIN, VARIES BY INSTITUTE IN SOME EXTENT, 981 00:44:04,025 --> 00:44:09,063 I DON'T SEE RESTRICTIONS OF THAT TYPE IN OUR GRANT PROGRAM. 982 00:44:09,063 --> 00:44:11,599 - [MELISSA] YOURS IS THE ONE THAT DOESN'T. (CHUCKLES) 983 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,434 - IN FACT, IT GOES THE OTHER WAY. 984 00:44:13,434 --> 00:44:17,939 WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PIS ARE MINIMAL SUPPORT EFFORT 985 00:44:18,873 --> 00:44:21,042 SO THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING THE PROJECTS 986 00:44:21,042 --> 00:44:22,310 AS OPPOSED TO DELEGATING, 987 00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:23,878 OR THEY'RE SO BIG. 988 00:44:23,878 --> 00:44:26,981 SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WE AGREE ON, 989 00:44:26,981 --> 00:44:29,116 AT LEAST JON AND I AGREE ON, 990 00:44:29,116 --> 00:44:34,121 IS THAT PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS WHO HAVE X NUMBER OF GRANTS 991 00:44:34,822 --> 00:44:38,359 SHOULDN'T BE COMING BACK IN WITH ANOTHER R01. 992 00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:41,229 NOW, THE GENERAL RULE OF THUMB WE'VE USED 993 00:44:41,229 --> 00:44:44,498 IS THREE R01S AT ALL ACROSS THE AGENCY, 994 00:44:45,867 --> 00:44:49,036 AND SAY, WELL, DO YOU REALLY NEED A FOURTH? 995 00:44:49,036 --> 00:44:52,139 AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEN THAT GETS REDISTRIBUTED 996 00:44:52,139 --> 00:44:55,409 TO OTHER INVESTIGATORS WHO ARE NOT PIS. 997 00:44:57,111 --> 00:44:59,614 AND CERTAINLY I SAW THAT FUNCTIONING 998 00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:02,049 IN MY TIME AT UCSF WHEN, YOU KNOW, 999 00:45:02,049 --> 00:45:03,918 WHEN MORE, YOU KNOW, 1000 00:45:03,918 --> 00:45:07,922 UP AND COMING RESEARCH FACULTY WERE CROWDED OUT. 1001 00:45:09,724 --> 00:45:11,792 I THINK THE K PROGRAM IS LIMITED 1002 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:13,628 TO US CITIZENS, RIGHT? 1003 00:45:15,897 --> 00:45:18,466 AND SO, EXCEPT FOR THE K99, R00, 1004 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:20,868 SO, BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR 1005 00:45:20,868 --> 00:45:23,638 THAT OTHERS HAVE OTHER RESTRICTIONS. 1006 00:45:23,638 --> 00:45:28,104 IN FACT, RIC DOESN'T FUND INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS VERY 1007 00:45:28,104 --> 00:45:28,609 MUCH, 1008 00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:30,044 IF AT ALL. 1009 00:45:30,044 --> 00:45:31,746 BUT ACROSS THE NIH, 1010 00:45:31,746 --> 00:45:36,117 THE INTERNATIONAL SCIENTISTS CAN APPLY FOR NIH FUNDING. 1011 00:45:36,117 --> 00:45:37,852 AND THEN JUST TO COMMENT ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, 1012 00:45:37,852 --> 00:45:39,620 ONE OF THE STRATEGIES, I THINK, 1013 00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:42,590 TO BUILD RESEARCH CAPACITY 1014 00:45:42,590 --> 00:45:45,426 IS TO BE ABLE TO INVEST IN LIMITED 1015 00:45:46,694 --> 00:45:50,464 BUT, YOU KNOW, VERY SYNERGISTIC INFRASTRUCTURE. 1016 00:45:50,464 --> 00:45:51,299 ON THE ONE HAND, YOU COULD SAY, 1017 00:45:51,299 --> 00:45:53,234 WELL, YOU NEED A GRANTS MANAGEMENT SHOP 1018 00:45:53,234 --> 00:45:55,369 THAT CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE MONEY WHEN IT COMES IN 1019 00:45:55,369 --> 00:45:58,639 AND SPENDS IT AND ALLOCATES IT APPROPRIATELY. 1020 00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,143 THAT'S A GIVEN THAT IN THE HIGH-END INSTITUTIONS 1021 00:46:02,143 --> 00:46:03,678 WE TOOK FOR GRANTED. 1022 00:46:03,678 --> 00:46:06,480 AND I'M SEEING HOW THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE 1023 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,916 FOR SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONS WE FUND. 1024 00:46:08,916 --> 00:46:09,750 ON THE OTHER HAND, 1025 00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:13,587 THERE'S ALSO THE IDEA OF SUPPORTING A FACULTY, 1026 00:46:14,622 --> 00:46:16,390 A RESEARCHER WHO ACTS 1027 00:46:19,293 --> 00:46:22,897 SYNERGISTICALLY TO CREATE MORE RESEARCH. 1028 00:46:22,897 --> 00:46:25,199 IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, 1029 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,300 I'M A CLINICIAN, RIGHT? 1030 00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:28,469 SO YOU SEE MY INITIAL JOB, 1031 00:46:29,837 --> 00:46:31,472 EVEN IN A TENURE TRACK, 1032 00:46:31,472 --> 00:46:34,675 WAS, YOU KNOW, I WAS IN CLINIC EITHER SEEING PATIENTS 1033 00:46:34,675 --> 00:46:37,411 OR TEACHING 50% OF THE TIME. 1034 00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:40,614 SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EQUIVALENT 1035 00:46:40,614 --> 00:46:42,683 TO 12 CREDITS A SEMESTER, 1036 00:46:43,718 --> 00:46:44,885 BUT, YOU KNOW, 1037 00:46:45,820 --> 00:46:47,021 YOU HAD A LOT OF, 1038 00:46:47,021 --> 00:46:48,155 AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, 1039 00:46:48,155 --> 00:46:49,490 SO IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA. 1040 00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:52,059 BUT IF YOU BRING IN A FULL-TIME RESEARCHER, 1041 00:46:52,059 --> 00:46:54,428 WHETHER IT BE A BEHAVIORAL OR SOCIAL SCIENTIST, 1042 00:46:54,428 --> 00:46:55,529 A BASIC SCIENTIST, 1043 00:46:55,529 --> 00:46:57,798 DEPENDING ON YOUR INITIATIVE, 1044 00:46:57,798 --> 00:47:00,167 SOMEONE WHO CAN THEN ACT 1045 00:47:00,167 --> 00:47:02,603 AS A COMMON-THREAD FLASHPOINT 1046 00:47:03,904 --> 00:47:06,507 TO BUILD RESEARCH WITH OTHER FACULTY, 1047 00:47:06,507 --> 00:47:09,143 I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER STRATEGY THAT COULD WORK. 1048 00:47:09,143 --> 00:47:10,244 IN OUR CASE, 1049 00:47:10,244 --> 00:47:12,747 IT WAS EITHER A BEHAVIORAL SCIENTIST, 1050 00:47:12,747 --> 00:47:14,582 A STATISTICIAN, A METHODOLOGIST, 1051 00:47:14,582 --> 00:47:16,183 SOMEONE OF THAT TYPE 1052 00:47:16,183 --> 00:47:18,886 THAT WOULD HELP THE CLINICIAN SCIENTISTS 1053 00:47:18,886 --> 00:47:23,891 REALLY PARTNER AND DEVELOP BETTER APPLICATIONS TO THE NIH. 1054 00:47:24,525 --> 00:47:25,860 - [MONICA] THANK YOU, YES, PLEASE. 1055 00:47:25,860 --> 00:47:26,694 WE'LL TAKE HIM, 1056 00:47:26,694 --> 00:47:27,962 AND THEN WE'LL COME OVER YOU. 1057 00:47:27,962 --> 00:47:29,096 THANK YOU. - QUINCY QUICK, 1058 00:47:29,096 --> 00:47:29,997 THE ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT 1059 00:47:29,997 --> 00:47:31,532 FOR RESEARCH AND SPONSORED PROGRAMS 1060 00:47:31,532 --> 00:47:33,367 AT TENNESSEE STATE UNIVERSITY. 1061 00:47:33,367 --> 00:47:35,102 SO MY QUESTION IS FOR DR. REED 1062 00:47:35,102 --> 00:47:36,003 AND, I THINK, DR. BYRNES, 1063 00:47:36,003 --> 00:47:37,905 WHO IS NOT HERE, FROM THE CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW, 1064 00:47:37,905 --> 00:47:41,475 AS IT RELATES TO THE EARLY CAREER REVIEWER PROGRAM. 1065 00:47:41,475 --> 00:47:43,377 LISTEN, FOR ME, AFTER SITTING ON STUDY SECTION 1066 00:47:43,377 --> 00:47:45,312 FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, 1067 00:47:45,312 --> 00:47:48,315 STILL SITTING ON STUDY SECTION. 1068 00:47:48,315 --> 00:47:51,285 THIS PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING HOW TO DO GOOD SCIENCE 1069 00:47:51,285 --> 00:47:53,487 AS IT RELATES TO WHAT NIH EXPECTATIONS ARE 1070 00:47:53,487 --> 00:47:55,923 REALLY KIND OF, TO ME, BEGINS IN THAT ROOM 1071 00:47:55,923 --> 00:47:58,059 AND GETTING ACCESS TO THOSE REVIEW PANELS 1072 00:47:58,059 --> 00:47:59,393 AND THOSE STUDY SECTIONS. 1073 00:47:59,393 --> 00:48:00,227 ONE OF THE PROBLEMS 1074 00:48:00,227 --> 00:48:01,769 IS THAT THE EARLY CAREER REVIEWER 1075 00:48:01,769 --> 00:48:03,030 PROGRAM PUTS A STIPULATION 1076 00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,566 THAT YOU HAVE TO BE AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR. 1077 00:48:05,566 --> 00:48:08,769 AND THE ASSISTANT PROFESSOR LEVELS AT OUR INSTITUTION 1078 00:48:08,769 --> 00:48:10,104 AND ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR LEVELS 1079 00:48:10,104 --> 00:48:11,672 AT OUR INSTITUTION IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT 1080 00:48:11,672 --> 00:48:12,973 THAN THEY ARE AT ONE INSTITUTION. 1081 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,176 SO YOU HAVE PEOPLE KIND OF REENGAGING SOMETIMES 1082 00:48:15,176 --> 00:48:18,512 AT THE ASSOCIATE LEVEL IN THE RESEARCH ACTIVITY 1083 00:48:18,512 --> 00:48:21,215 AND SOMETIMES EVEN AT THE PROFESSOR. 1084 00:48:21,215 --> 00:48:24,452 BUT WHAT THEY'RE MISSING AND NEVER GOTTEN ACCESS TO 1085 00:48:24,452 --> 00:48:28,656 IS TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE EXPECTATION IS 1086 00:48:28,656 --> 00:48:30,057 IN THOSE STUDY SECTIONS. 1087 00:48:30,057 --> 00:48:32,193 SO IF THAT CRITERIA CONTINUES TO REMAIN, 1088 00:48:32,193 --> 00:48:34,762 AND I KNOW IT'S BROAD ACROSS ALL INSTITUTIONS, 1089 00:48:34,762 --> 00:48:36,797 IT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE YOU KIND OF HAVE 1090 00:48:36,797 --> 00:48:38,766 THOSE CRITERIA THERE FOR THE R1 1091 00:48:38,766 --> 00:48:42,937 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE, YOU KNOW, R2 INSTITUTIONS, 1092 00:48:42,937 --> 00:48:46,607 YOU PUT A CEILING ON THE FACULTY MEMBERS 1093 00:48:46,607 --> 00:48:48,142 AND RESEARCHERS AT OUR INSTITUTION, 1094 00:48:48,142 --> 00:48:50,277 TO NO FAULT OF ANYBODY, REALLY, 1095 00:48:50,277 --> 00:48:51,879 BUT THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF IT. 1096 00:48:51,879 --> 00:48:53,681 SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF SOME WAY 1097 00:48:53,681 --> 00:48:55,316 IT COULD BE RESTRUCTURED AND REVISED 1098 00:48:55,316 --> 00:48:56,784 AS NIH CONTINUES TO TRY 1099 00:48:56,784 --> 00:49:00,254 TO REVISIT DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION 1100 00:49:00,254 --> 00:49:01,889 AND ALL THESE KINDA THINGS. 1101 00:49:01,889 --> 00:49:05,559 GIVING ACCESS, THAT MIGHT BE A WAY TO DO IT. 1102 00:49:08,162 --> 00:49:10,898 - YEAH, THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. 1103 00:49:13,334 --> 00:49:15,636 THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND SO, 1104 00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:22,209 YOU KNOW, THE EARLY CAREER REVIEWER PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED 1105 00:49:22,209 --> 00:49:25,412 WITH THE GOAL OF GIVING PEOPLE THE ADVANTAGE 1106 00:49:25,412 --> 00:49:27,414 OF STUDY SECTION SERVICE 1107 00:49:27,414 --> 00:49:28,682 AT A POINT OF THEIR CAREER 1108 00:49:28,682 --> 00:49:30,718 THAT IT'LL REALLY BENEFIT THEM. 1109 00:49:30,718 --> 00:49:32,219 AND YOU DON'T WANT 1110 00:49:33,487 --> 00:49:36,390 THOSE EARLY CAREER PEOPLE CROWDED OUT 1111 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:38,659 BY PEOPLE LATER IN THEIR CAREER, 1112 00:49:38,659 --> 00:49:39,860 BUT I HEAR YOUR POINT 1113 00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:42,796 THAT THAT STRUCTURE MAY NOT BE THE SAME 1114 00:49:42,796 --> 00:49:44,798 ACROSS ALL INSTITUTIONS. 1115 00:49:46,367 --> 00:49:49,103 AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT MORE. 1116 00:49:49,103 --> 00:49:50,371 I WILL SAY THAT 1117 00:49:54,375 --> 00:49:56,544 IN IMPLEMENTING THOSE STANDARDS NOW, 1118 00:49:56,544 --> 00:50:00,214 THERE ACTUALLY IS SOME FLEXIBILITY ABOUT IT. 1119 00:50:01,182 --> 00:50:02,917 BUT I TAKE THE POINT, 1120 00:50:04,285 --> 00:50:06,220 IT'S A GOOD ONE TO THINK ABOUT 1121 00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:09,390 HOW THAT COULD BE SORT OF CODIFIED 1122 00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:11,692 IN A WAY THAT WE COULD ROLL IT OUT 1123 00:50:11,692 --> 00:50:14,395 AND PEOPLE COULD BROADLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS 1124 00:50:14,395 --> 00:50:17,231 AND WE COULD CONSISTENTLY APPLY IT 1125 00:50:19,633 --> 00:50:21,735 WHILE STILL MEETING THE GOALS, AS I SAY, 1126 00:50:21,735 --> 00:50:26,073 OF REALLY GIVING PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF STUDY SECTION SERVICE 1127 00:50:26,073 --> 00:50:30,444 AT A POINT THAT IT REALLY COULD BENEFIT THEIR CAREER. 1128 00:50:30,444 --> 00:50:32,479 - [MONICA] THANK YOU, YES. 1129 00:50:32,479 --> 00:50:33,948 - HARRIET HOWARD-LEE BLOCK, 1130 00:50:33,948 --> 00:50:36,517 PRAIRIE VIEW A&M UNIVERSITY. 1131 00:50:36,517 --> 00:50:37,484 AND FIRST OF ALL, 1132 00:50:37,484 --> 00:50:39,820 I THINK THIS IS JUST EXCELLENT 1133 00:50:39,820 --> 00:50:41,956 THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO COME 1134 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,124 AND HAVE THIS TYPE OF DIALOGUE, 1135 00:50:44,124 --> 00:50:47,795 BUT I DO THINK THAT FROM A CULTURAL PERSPECTIVE 1136 00:50:47,795 --> 00:50:50,831 THAT WHEN YOU THINK OF PEOPLE, 1137 00:50:50,831 --> 00:50:53,300 AND I'M GOING TO USE THE WORD JUDGE, 1138 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,136 THAT ARE JUDGING YOU AND REVIEWING YOU, 1139 00:50:56,136 --> 00:50:57,137 A LOT OF TIMES 1140 00:50:57,137 --> 00:51:01,709 IF THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE CULTURAL BACKGROUND 1141 00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:05,179 OF WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT 1142 00:51:05,179 --> 00:51:08,716 AND NO ONE HAS PUT IT IN THEIR FACE, 1143 00:51:08,716 --> 00:51:10,217 AND I'LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. 1144 00:51:10,217 --> 00:51:14,521 PRAIRIE VIEW WAS STARTED WITH THE INTENT OF TEACHING. 1145 00:51:14,521 --> 00:51:18,959 WE WERE NOT PUT IN PLACE TO DO THE RESEARCH. 1146 00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:20,794 AND IT GOES BACK TO US 1147 00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:26,033 AS A PEOPLE OF COLOR NOT HAVING ANYWHERE 1148 00:51:26,033 --> 00:51:28,535 TO GET EDUCATED BUT AT A PLACE 1149 00:51:29,803 --> 00:51:33,107 THAT WOULD BE CALLED A HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGE 1150 00:51:33,107 --> 00:51:34,608 AND UNIVERSITY. 1151 00:51:34,608 --> 00:51:36,944 SO WITH THAT BEING IN PLACE 1152 00:51:36,944 --> 00:51:39,913 AND FROM A HISTORICAL STANDPOINT, 1153 00:51:39,913 --> 00:51:42,616 IF ONE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT, 1154 00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,020 THEN HOW IS ONE GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY 1155 00:51:47,321 --> 00:51:49,657 TO BE A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING 1156 00:51:52,092 --> 00:51:56,096 IF WE HAVE NOT HAD THE FACILITIES TO DO CERTAIN THINGS? 1157 00:51:56,096 --> 00:51:58,866 IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE MINDSET 1158 00:51:58,866 --> 00:52:01,335 AND THAT THE INTELLECT IS NOT THERE, 1159 00:52:01,335 --> 00:52:03,837 BUT THE PERSON THAT IS REVIEWING IT, 1160 00:52:03,837 --> 00:52:07,408 THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE EVER BEEN A THOUGHT IN THEIR MINDS 1161 00:52:07,408 --> 00:52:10,444 BECAUSE OF HOW THEY CAME UP 1162 00:52:10,444 --> 00:52:14,548 IN THE EDUCATIONAL ARENA AND ACADEMIC ARENA. 1163 00:52:14,548 --> 00:52:16,283 SO I WOULD HOPE 1164 00:52:16,283 --> 00:52:20,187 THAT WHEN THE PEER REVIEW COMMITTEES ARE SET UP 1165 00:52:21,155 --> 00:52:22,189 THAT AT SOME POINT, 1166 00:52:22,189 --> 00:52:24,325 AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO 1167 00:52:24,325 --> 00:52:26,960 BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE, 1168 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,430 ESPECIALLY NOWADAYS, 1169 00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:30,264 THAT THE 1170 00:52:33,167 --> 00:52:35,402 OBVIOUS BACKGROUND OF JUST, 1171 00:52:37,504 --> 00:52:40,107 AND I'M SPEAKING FOR HBCUS NOW, 1172 00:52:40,941 --> 00:52:42,976 HOW THEY STARTED, 1173 00:52:42,976 --> 00:52:46,347 THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE ALL OF THIS, 1174 00:52:46,347 --> 00:52:48,549 ALL OF THAT TO DO WHAT THEY NEED. 1175 00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:50,718 DON'T PENALIZE THEM FOR IT, 1176 00:52:50,718 --> 00:52:53,554 GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, 1177 00:52:53,554 --> 00:52:56,357 AND I THINK ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT'S GOING ON NOW, 1178 00:52:56,357 --> 00:52:58,258 A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, 1179 00:52:58,258 --> 00:53:00,260 AND I KNOW NIH DOES THIS, 1180 00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:02,930 THEY HAVE COLLABORATIVE AGREEMENTS. 1181 00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:05,532 BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAVE A COLLABORATIVE INITIATIVE 1182 00:53:05,532 --> 00:53:07,634 WITH TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY, 1183 00:53:07,634 --> 00:53:09,436 AND IT'S BEEN AN EXCELLENT THING, 1184 00:53:09,436 --> 00:53:13,073 IT'S SOMETHING THAT I JUST WAS FUNDED FOR. 1185 00:53:13,073 --> 00:53:13,907 BUT I KNOW 1186 00:53:14,742 --> 00:53:17,711 THAT I PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN THAT OPPORTUNITY 1187 00:53:17,711 --> 00:53:20,381 HAD I NOT PARTNERED WITH THE MAIN CAMPUS 1188 00:53:20,381 --> 00:53:21,648 AT TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY, 1189 00:53:21,648 --> 00:53:23,217 BECAUSE WE ARE A PART OF THAT. 1190 00:53:23,217 --> 00:53:24,084 AND A LOT OF TIMES, 1191 00:53:24,084 --> 00:53:26,720 AND I'M SAYING THIS NOT AS A THORN, 1192 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,322 BUT WHEN WE PARTNER, 1193 00:53:28,322 --> 00:53:32,259 A LOT OF TIMES THE HBCU DOES NOT SEE THE MAJORITY 1194 00:53:32,259 --> 00:53:33,527 OF THE FUNDS. 1195 00:53:33,527 --> 00:53:37,931 WITH THE GRANT THAT I WAS FUNDED WITH, PRAIRIE VIEW, 1196 00:53:37,931 --> 00:53:41,668 WE ARE GETTING PROBABLY 90% OF THE FUNDING, 1197 00:53:41,668 --> 00:53:43,771 WHICH IS VERY, VERY UNUSUAL. 1198 00:53:43,771 --> 00:53:46,707 SO YOU HAVE TO THINK OF THAT IN TERMS OF BALANCE. 1199 00:53:46,707 --> 00:53:49,877 YOU DON'T WANNA PUT THEM WITH A PWI 1200 00:53:49,877 --> 00:53:52,546 AND THEN THE HBCU IS JUST A NAME 1201 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,716 FOR THEM TO GET THE FUNDING. 1202 00:53:55,716 --> 00:53:57,551 SO THAT'S USING, 1203 00:53:57,551 --> 00:54:00,387 AND IT SHOULD BE A BALANCE 1204 00:54:00,387 --> 00:54:02,489 WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO COLLABORATE, 1205 00:54:02,489 --> 00:54:04,057 IF WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER, 1206 00:54:04,057 --> 00:54:06,627 IT'S GOTTA BE A BENEFIT TO THE, 1207 00:54:07,861 --> 00:54:09,396 AND I'M GONNA SAY, 1208 00:54:09,396 --> 00:54:12,132 THE ONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE OTHER ONE. 1209 00:54:12,132 --> 00:54:14,435 IT SHOULD BENEFIT THAT ONE 1210 00:54:14,435 --> 00:54:16,036 THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL OF THAT MONEY 1211 00:54:16,036 --> 00:54:17,271 JUST AS MUCH AS IT DOES 1212 00:54:17,271 --> 00:54:19,740 AS THE ONE WHO'S BEEN MOVING ALONG ALL ALONG, 1213 00:54:19,740 --> 00:54:22,176 BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU'RE NEVER GONNA CATCH UP. 1214 00:54:22,176 --> 00:54:24,077 SO I WOULD JUST HOPE 1215 00:54:24,077 --> 00:54:28,749 THAT AT SOME POINT WHEN THE PEER REVIEW IS TOGETHER 1216 00:54:28,749 --> 00:54:31,852 THAT THAT REAL CONVERSATION WILL SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE, 1217 00:54:31,852 --> 00:54:34,188 BEFORE YOU START LOOKING AND JUDGING 1218 00:54:34,188 --> 00:54:36,156 AND SAYING, OH, THEY CAN'T DO THIS, 1219 00:54:36,156 --> 00:54:40,093 BE CULTURALLY AWARE OF WHO YOU ARE JUDGING, 1220 00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:42,496 WHO YOU ARE GIVING A SCORE TO, 1221 00:54:42,496 --> 00:54:44,631 AND DON'T JUST THINK 1222 00:54:44,631 --> 00:54:47,734 JUST BECAUSE IT'S AT AN HBCU 1223 00:54:47,734 --> 00:54:49,470 IT CANNOT BE DONE. 1224 00:54:49,470 --> 00:54:51,805 WE JUST NEED AN OPPORTUNITY. 1225 00:54:55,108 --> 00:54:56,543 - [MONICA] THANK YOU FOR THOSE COMMENTS. 1226 00:54:56,543 --> 00:54:58,879 ANY REACTION? - YEAH. 1227 00:54:58,879 --> 00:55:01,748 - IN THE PEER REVIEW PART. - YEAH. WELL, (CHUCKLES) 1228 00:55:01,748 --> 00:55:03,183 YEAH, NO, THANKS. 1229 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:07,988 YOU TOUCHED ON A LOT OF ISSUES. 1230 00:55:09,122 --> 00:55:09,957 OKAY? 1231 00:55:11,024 --> 00:55:13,026 SO, THERE'S A LOT THERE, 1232 00:55:13,994 --> 00:55:17,931 WE CAN CONTINUE TALKING THROUGHOUT THE DAY. 1233 00:55:17,931 --> 00:55:20,400 YOU KNOW, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS, 1234 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,402 IN TERMS OF PEER REVIEW, 1235 00:55:24,605 --> 00:55:29,376 ONE OF THE PURPOSES IN REDUCING REPUTATIONAL BIAS 1236 00:55:29,376 --> 00:55:34,047 IS TO MAKE THE FOCUS ON JUDGING IDEAS AND NOT PEOPLE. 1237 00:55:34,047 --> 00:55:37,050 SO IT SHOULDN'T BE MATTERING SO MUCH 1238 00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:42,389 WHO'S SAYING IT OR WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. 1239 00:55:42,389 --> 00:55:44,591 WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET REVIEWERS 1240 00:55:44,591 --> 00:55:47,194 TO THINK ABOUT INSTEAD IS JUST, 1241 00:55:48,629 --> 00:55:50,864 IS THE SUFFICIENT EXPERTISE 1242 00:55:51,965 --> 00:55:54,268 AND THE SUFFICIENT RESOURCES THERE? 1243 00:55:54,268 --> 00:55:56,203 YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH 1244 00:55:56,203 --> 00:55:58,205 TO DO WHAT THEY PROPOSE, 1245 00:55:58,205 --> 00:56:00,641 AND THEN IF THEY'VE GOT ENOUGH, 1246 00:56:00,641 --> 00:56:03,410 ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, THAT'S IT. 1247 00:56:03,410 --> 00:56:06,713 SO IT'S CHANGING IT FROM A DIFFERENT, 1248 00:56:06,713 --> 00:56:08,148 IT'S ASKING THEM TO EVALUATE IT 1249 00:56:08,148 --> 00:56:10,551 FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 1250 00:56:11,418 --> 00:56:14,087 AND THEN JUST QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, 1251 00:56:15,322 --> 00:56:19,459 THE ISSUE OF PEOPLE MAKING THE MOST OF WHAT THEY HAVE. 1252 00:56:19,459 --> 00:56:23,163 THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT TO THE WORKING GROUP 1253 00:56:23,163 --> 00:56:26,733 THAT PROPOSED REVISING FELLOWSHIP CRITERIA. 1254 00:56:28,335 --> 00:56:32,439 SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN REVISED, 1255 00:56:32,439 --> 00:56:34,207 ONE OF THE IMPORTANT CONCEPTS IS THAT 1256 00:56:34,207 --> 00:56:37,511 WHEN SOMEBODY IS APPLYING FOR A FELLOWSHIP, 1257 00:56:37,511 --> 00:56:41,481 THEY ASK THE REVIEWERS TO PUT THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS 1258 00:56:41,481 --> 00:56:43,951 OF THAT PERSON IN CONTEXT, 1259 00:56:43,951 --> 00:56:46,286 IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR OPPORTUNITIES, 1260 00:56:46,286 --> 00:56:47,554 THE POINT BEING, 1261 00:56:47,554 --> 00:56:51,558 WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF WHAT YOU HAD TO WORK WITH? 1262 00:56:51,558 --> 00:56:54,628 AND TO TRY TO LOOK AT IT THROUGH THAT LENS 1263 00:56:54,628 --> 00:56:58,398 RATHER THAN SIMPLY A SORT OF VERY TRADITIONAL 1264 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,035 ACADEMIC SET OF ACHIEVEMENTS. 1265 00:57:03,770 --> 00:57:04,605 - IN TERMS OF YOUR POINT 1266 00:57:04,605 --> 00:57:06,940 ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY GOES IN THE PARTNERSHIP, 1267 00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:09,443 WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY EXCELLENT ONE, 1268 00:57:09,443 --> 00:57:11,845 PART OF THAT FALLS ON US 1269 00:57:11,845 --> 00:57:15,449 IN TERMS OF STRUCTURING THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES CORRECTLY. 1270 00:57:15,449 --> 00:57:17,818 AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THEN FOR YOU TO LOOK AT 1271 00:57:17,818 --> 00:57:20,087 WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT JOINTLY APPLYING, 1272 00:57:20,087 --> 00:57:22,789 IS DOES THAT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY HAVE GUARDRAILS 1273 00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:26,126 TO MAKE SURE THAT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE MONEY GOES 1274 00:57:26,126 --> 00:57:28,662 TO THE LESSER-RESOURCE INSTITUTION? 1275 00:57:28,662 --> 00:57:31,064 SO IN OUR IDEA INBRE PROGRAM, 1276 00:57:32,332 --> 00:57:35,769 FOR INSTANCE, IT'S REQUIRED THAT MOST OF THE MONEY FLOWS 1277 00:57:35,769 --> 00:57:39,473 FROM THE CENTRAL RESEARCH-INTENSIVE INSTITUTION 1278 00:57:39,473 --> 00:57:40,440 TO ALL THE PARTNER, 1279 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,342 PRIMARILY UNDERGRADUATE INSTITUTIONS. 1280 00:57:42,342 --> 00:57:45,312 SO THAT'S A CASE WE HAVE ENFORCED. 1281 00:57:45,312 --> 00:57:46,146 WE JUST REWROTE 1282 00:57:46,146 --> 00:57:48,582 OUR NATIVE AMERICAN RESEARCH CENTER FOR HEALTH 1283 00:57:48,582 --> 00:57:50,183 FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, 1284 00:57:50,183 --> 00:57:52,586 AND IN THAT WE NOW REQUIRE THAT 60% 1285 00:57:52,586 --> 00:57:54,721 OF THE FUNDS STAY WITH THE TRIBES. 1286 00:57:54,721 --> 00:57:56,657 SO, YOUR POINT IS AN EXCELLENT ONE, 1287 00:57:56,657 --> 00:57:58,191 BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO MORE 1288 00:57:58,191 --> 00:58:00,394 WHEN WE'RE STRUCTURING THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES 1289 00:58:00,394 --> 00:58:03,897 TO ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MONEY GOES, 1290 00:58:03,897 --> 00:58:05,265 'CAUSE OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, 1291 00:58:05,265 --> 00:58:08,001 IT GOES TO THE CENTER OF GRAVITY. 1292 00:58:09,202 --> 00:58:11,271 - AND JUST TO REINFORCE WHAT JON SAID, 1293 00:58:11,271 --> 00:58:16,276 YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, 1294 00:58:16,510 --> 00:58:18,612 WE HAVE TO PUT IN THESE REQUIREMENTS, 1295 00:58:18,612 --> 00:58:21,248 A MINIMUM OF X PERCENT 1296 00:58:21,248 --> 00:58:24,418 OF THE FUNDING WOULD GO TO THE PARTNER 1297 00:58:26,887 --> 00:58:28,555 IN THESE KINDS OF PARTNERSHIPS 1298 00:58:28,555 --> 00:58:30,357 THAT ARE BEING CREATED. 1299 00:58:30,357 --> 00:58:32,059 I'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE EXAMPLES. 1300 00:58:32,059 --> 00:58:33,727 ALSO, THERE'S PARALLEL 1301 00:58:33,727 --> 00:58:36,029 IN COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION RESEARCH. 1302 00:58:36,029 --> 00:58:37,964 YOU KNOW, THE NIH COMMON FUND 1303 00:58:37,964 --> 00:58:41,601 NOW HAS LAUNCHED THE COMPASS INITIATIVE, 1304 00:58:41,601 --> 00:58:44,404 WHERE FUNDING HAS GONE DIRECTLY 1305 00:58:44,404 --> 00:58:48,308 TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS FOR 25 AWARDS, 1306 00:58:49,242 --> 00:58:52,345 SUPPORTED BY ACADEMIC HUBS AND A COORDINATING CENTER. 1307 00:58:52,345 --> 00:58:55,015 THAT'S A NEW EXPERIENCE FOR NIH, 1308 00:58:56,083 --> 00:58:58,118 WE'LL SEE HOW THAT DEVELOPS. 1309 00:58:58,118 --> 00:58:59,886 BUT IN OTHER CONTEXTS, 1310 00:58:59,886 --> 00:59:02,889 THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ALLIANCE, 1311 00:59:02,889 --> 00:59:07,294 WHICH WE STARTED WITH COVID WITH NHLBI AND NIMHD, 1312 00:59:07,294 --> 00:59:08,862 NOW, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT 1313 00:59:08,862 --> 00:59:13,700 THAT AT LEAST 25% OF THE FUNDING FOR THE AWARDS GO 1314 00:59:13,700 --> 00:59:15,902 TO THE COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS. 1315 00:59:15,902 --> 00:59:18,739 SO SIMILARLY, WHERE PARTNERSHIPS ARE PART OF IT, 1316 00:59:18,739 --> 00:59:21,341 AS IN THE FIRST PROGRAM 1317 00:59:21,341 --> 00:59:23,243 THAT'S A COMMON FUND PROGRAM. 1318 00:59:23,243 --> 00:59:26,279 YOU SEE PARTNERSHIP AT UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA, TUSKEGEE, 1319 00:59:26,279 --> 00:59:29,082 THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WILL LOOK AT VERY MUCH. 1320 00:59:29,082 --> 00:59:30,417 AND IN FACT, THERE'S A LOCAL ONE, 1321 00:59:30,417 --> 00:59:34,087 THAT'S UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND, BALTIMORE COUNTY 1322 00:59:34,087 --> 00:59:36,022 AS THE LEAD INSTITUTION 1323 00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:39,593 IN PARTNERSHIP WITH UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. 1324 00:59:39,593 --> 00:59:43,430 SO I DO THINK THAT THESE PARTNERSHIPS CAN WORK 1325 00:59:44,264 --> 00:59:46,533 AS LONG AS WE SET RULES 1326 00:59:46,533 --> 00:59:47,567 AND AVOID THE IDEA, 1327 00:59:47,567 --> 00:59:49,836 OH, WE'LL PUT THIS INSTITUTION ON 1328 00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:51,772 BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD THAT WE'RE DOING GOOD THINGS 1329 00:59:51,772 --> 00:59:54,107 FOR THE POPULATION, 1330 00:59:54,107 --> 00:59:56,009 BUT IN REALITY EVERYTHING STAYS 1331 00:59:56,009 --> 00:59:59,446 WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE LARGE INSTITUTIONS. 1332 00:59:59,446 --> 01:00:03,917 SO, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY EXCELLENT POINTS. 1333 01:00:03,917 --> 01:00:06,686 - I'VE BEEN PRETTY QUIET THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS, 1334 01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:08,255 BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INITIATIVES 1335 01:00:08,255 --> 01:00:09,556 THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD MENTIONED 1336 01:00:09,556 --> 01:00:10,891 THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT 1337 01:00:10,891 --> 01:00:12,726 TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. 1338 01:00:12,726 --> 01:00:15,595 HOPEFULLY, YOU ARE AWARE OF THE REWARD INITIATIVE. 1339 01:00:15,595 --> 01:00:17,764 IT'S AN R01 OPPORTUNITY 1340 01:00:17,764 --> 01:00:21,802 FOR RESEARCHERS WHO'VE NOT HAD SIGNIFICANT NIH FUNDING 1341 01:00:21,802 --> 01:00:22,869 TO GET FUNDED 1342 01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:25,539 IN RECOGNITION OF THE EXCELLENCE 1343 01:00:25,539 --> 01:00:26,973 OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING 1344 01:00:26,973 --> 01:00:29,109 TO FOSTER DIVERSITY, EQUITY, AND INCLUSION. 1345 01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:31,111 I THINK A LOT OF YOUR FACULTY WOULD PROBABLY FALL 1346 01:00:31,111 --> 01:00:32,879 INTO THAT CRITERION. 1347 01:00:32,879 --> 01:00:34,681 AND IT'S A MEANS OF BRINGING MORE RESOURCES 1348 01:00:34,681 --> 01:00:36,449 INTO YOUR INSTITUTION. 1349 01:00:36,449 --> 01:00:38,819 THERE'S ALSO AN INSTRUMENTATION GRANT PROGRAM 1350 01:00:38,819 --> 01:00:41,922 THAT HAS BEEN REVISED AGAIN UNDER DR. LORSCH'S LEADERSHIP 1351 01:00:41,922 --> 01:00:45,525 THAT ALLOWS FUNDING FOR INSTRUMENTATION, 1352 01:00:45,525 --> 01:00:46,359 FOR RESEARCH, 1353 01:00:46,359 --> 01:00:49,196 AND FOR UPPER-LEVEL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. 1354 01:00:49,196 --> 01:00:52,199 SO A COUPLE OF REALLY NEW THINGS 1355 01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,668 THAT CAN HELP TO PROMOTE THE WORK 1356 01:00:54,668 --> 01:00:56,203 THAT'S BEING DONE AT YOUR INSTITUTIONS 1357 01:00:56,203 --> 01:01:00,707 AND CONTRIBUTE TO THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS NEEDED. 1358 01:01:00,707 --> 01:01:02,676 - THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME WILL NOT BE SURPRISED 1359 01:01:02,676 --> 01:01:05,111 TO HEAR THAT I'M THE TIMEKEEPER FOR THIS MEETING. 1360 01:01:05,111 --> 01:01:06,446 (CHUCKLES) AND SO, 1361 01:01:06,446 --> 01:01:08,849 THIS DISCUSSION HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY FASCINATING, 1362 01:01:08,849 --> 01:01:10,050 AND I WISH WE COULD CONTINUE, 1363 01:01:10,050 --> 01:01:13,954 BUT WE HAVE NEXT SPEAKERS IN THE ROOM. 1364 01:01:13,954 --> 01:01:15,422 SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MONICA, 1365 01:01:15,422 --> 01:01:18,425 THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR ESTEEMED DIRECTORS, 1366 01:01:18,425 --> 01:01:21,027 I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME. 1367 01:01:21,027 --> 01:01:23,697 BEFORE I INTRODUCE THE NEXT SPEAKER, THOUGH, 1368 01:01:23,697 --> 01:01:26,533 I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO DO THIS. 1369 01:01:32,572 --> 01:01:34,140 OH, THERE WE GO. 1370 01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:37,878 I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT A WEBSITE 1371 01:01:37,878 --> 01:01:39,446 THAT WE HAVE SET UP 1372 01:01:41,414 --> 01:01:43,683 WHICH HAS THE AGENDA, 1373 01:01:43,683 --> 01:01:45,118 ALL THE PRESENTATIONS 1374 01:01:45,118 --> 01:01:47,721 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE PICTURES OF THE SLIDES, 1375 01:01:47,721 --> 01:01:49,890 AND IT ALSO HAS A DOCUMENT 1376 01:01:52,926 --> 01:01:54,861 THAT WE COMPILED WHICH HAS LINKS 1377 01:01:54,861 --> 01:01:56,730 TO ALL THE RESOURCES WE COULD THINK OF 1378 01:01:56,730 --> 01:01:59,232 THAT YOU WOULD FIND USEFUL, 1379 01:01:59,232 --> 01:02:01,568 INCLUDING A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS WE MENTIONED 1380 01:02:01,568 --> 01:02:04,971 AS WELL AS SOME PRESENTATIONS, TUTORIALS. 1381 01:02:06,172 --> 01:02:07,340 THE URL IS THERE, 1382 01:02:07,340 --> 01:02:09,075 BUT THE EASIEST WAY TO FIND IT, 1383 01:02:09,075 --> 01:02:10,810 IF YOU GO TO THE NIGMS WEBSITE, 1384 01:02:10,810 --> 01:02:11,978 NIGMS.NIH.GOV, 1385 01:02:13,146 --> 01:02:14,381 AND YOU CLICK ON MEETINGS, 1386 01:02:14,381 --> 01:02:16,149 IT'LL BE THE TOP ONE. 1387 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:19,786 AND FOR BOTH THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM 1388 01:02:19,786 --> 01:02:21,821 AND THE PEOPLE WATCHING ON ZOOM, 1389 01:02:21,821 --> 01:02:23,423 I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TAKE A LOOK, 1390 01:02:23,423 --> 01:02:27,027 AND ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE AVAILABLE. 1391 01:02:27,027 --> 01:02:28,728 YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THEM, YOU CAN USE THEM, 1392 01:02:28,728 --> 01:02:30,730 IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION. 1393 01:02:30,730 --> 01:02:31,631 AND WITH THAT, 1394 01:02:31,631 --> 01:02:33,767 I WILL INTRODUCE THE NEXT SPEAKER, 1395 01:02:33,767 --> 01:02:35,001 DR. MIKE LAUER, 1396 01:02:35,835 --> 01:02:39,739 THE ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR FOR EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH AT NIH, 1397 01:02:39,739 --> 01:02:40,607 MIKE. 1398 01:02:40,607 --> 01:02:44,878 NOW, I'M ASSUMING SOMEBODY WILL PUT UP YOUR SLIDES. 1399 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:47,881 - [MONICA] I KNOW THERE WERE A COUPLE PEOPLE 1400 01:02:47,881 --> 01:02:49,215 WHO WERE RAISING THEIR HANDS FOR QUESTIONS, 1401 01:02:49,215 --> 01:02:50,750 SO HOLD ON TO THOSE, 1402 01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:51,952 AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE. 1403 01:02:51,952 --> 01:02:53,286 - THANKS, DORIT. 1404 01:02:55,956 --> 01:02:57,023 OKAY, GOOD MORNING. 1405 01:02:57,023 --> 01:02:58,758 SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A WHIRLWIND TOUR 1406 01:02:58,758 --> 01:03:01,628 OF SOME RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE 1407 01:03:01,628 --> 01:03:05,298 THAT YOUR FACULTY AND STAFF MAY FIND USEFUL. 1408 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,069 AND JUST TO POINT OUT, 1409 01:03:09,069 --> 01:03:10,737 YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THIS, 1410 01:03:10,737 --> 01:03:13,740 THE NIH GRANTS OPERATION IS VERY HIGH VOLUME. 1411 01:03:13,740 --> 01:03:14,908 WE PROCESS IT, 1412 01:03:14,908 --> 01:03:17,277 OR ISSUE ABOUT 59,000 AWARDS A YEAR 1413 01:03:17,277 --> 01:03:20,246 TO 2,700 DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS, 1414 01:03:20,246 --> 01:03:23,350 AND THAT'S FOR ABOUT $35 BILLION. 1415 01:03:23,350 --> 01:03:25,919 OKAY, SO, WHERE DO WE START? 1416 01:03:25,919 --> 01:03:27,620 WHERE'S THE FUNDING? 1417 01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:29,055 WHERE DO I TURN FOR ADVICE? 1418 01:03:29,055 --> 01:03:31,624 AND HOW DO I FIGURE OUT ALL THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? 1419 01:03:31,624 --> 01:03:32,993 SO, WHERE DO I START? 1420 01:03:32,993 --> 01:03:35,061 THIS REALLY IS YOUR HOME BASE. 1421 01:03:35,061 --> 01:03:37,230 IT'S GRANTS.NIH.GOV. 1422 01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:40,100 THIS IS A WEBSITE WHICH IS PUT OUT BY OUR OFFICE, 1423 01:03:40,100 --> 01:03:42,102 THE OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH. 1424 01:03:42,102 --> 01:03:43,670 AND YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY NAVIGATE 1425 01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:46,339 TO VIRTUALLY ANYWHERE FROM HERE, 1426 01:03:48,141 --> 01:03:49,242 INCLUDING ERA 1427 01:03:50,477 --> 01:03:53,396 AND ALL THE VARIOUS FUNCTIONALITIES 1428 01:03:53,396 --> 01:03:55,315 THAT ERA HAS TO OFFER. 1429 01:03:57,017 --> 01:03:58,551 NOW, ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS I SAY 1430 01:03:58,551 --> 01:04:02,856 IS THAT I WORK FOR THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH, 1431 01:04:02,856 --> 01:04:05,191 AND THE KEY WORD IS INSTITUTES. 1432 01:04:05,191 --> 01:04:09,696 AND THE KEY LETTER IS THE S AT THE END OF INSTITUTES. 1433 01:04:09,696 --> 01:04:11,564 WE'RE A FEDERATED STRUCTURE. 1434 01:04:11,564 --> 01:04:13,066 THERE ARE 27 INSTITUTES, 1435 01:04:13,066 --> 01:04:15,635 THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIFIC MISSIONS 1436 01:04:15,635 --> 01:04:17,303 AND STRATEGIC GOALS, 1437 01:04:18,238 --> 01:04:20,974 ALTHOUGH OF COURSE THERE'S A LOT THAT THEY HAVE SIMILAR. 1438 01:04:20,974 --> 01:04:22,075 AND OF THOSE 27, 1439 01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:23,910 24 HAVE GRANT-MAKING AUTHORITIES. 1440 01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:24,844 THE CLINICAL CENTER, 1441 01:04:24,844 --> 01:04:26,980 THE CENTER FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, 1442 01:04:26,980 --> 01:04:29,315 AND CSR DO NOT ISSUE GRANTS. 1443 01:04:31,751 --> 01:04:34,854 SO, HOW DO YOU FIND OUT ABOUT OUR GRANTS? 1444 01:04:34,854 --> 01:04:38,058 SO THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO LOOK AT OUR REPORTER SITE. 1445 01:04:38,058 --> 01:04:40,994 THE REPORTER SITE HAS BEEN RECENTLY MODERNIZED. 1446 01:04:40,994 --> 01:04:42,629 WE'VE ALSO ADDED AN API, 1447 01:04:42,629 --> 01:04:46,032 SO FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ANALYTICALLY-MINDED, 1448 01:04:46,032 --> 01:04:47,834 THERE'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF DATA HERE 1449 01:04:47,834 --> 01:04:49,335 THAT CAN BE MINED. 1450 01:04:51,137 --> 01:04:53,073 ONE CAN DO A VERY QUICK SEARCH, 1451 01:04:53,073 --> 01:04:57,644 SO I JUST TYPED IN HERE THE WORDS MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION. 1452 01:04:57,644 --> 01:04:59,312 THIS IS, LIKE, THE SIMPLEST SEARCH THAT YOU CAN DO. 1453 01:04:59,312 --> 01:05:02,882 YOU CAN DO MUCH MORE ADVANCED TYPES OF SEARCHES. 1454 01:05:02,882 --> 01:05:04,451 AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, 1455 01:05:04,451 --> 01:05:06,453 THIS YIELDS 30,000 PROJECTS. 1456 01:05:06,453 --> 01:05:07,620 AND THEN ONE CAN THEN LOOK 1457 01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:09,289 AT EACH OF THESE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, 1458 01:05:09,289 --> 01:05:10,256 GET DETAILS ON THEM, 1459 01:05:10,256 --> 01:05:11,858 YOU CAN SEE PUBLICATIONS, 1460 01:05:11,858 --> 01:05:14,094 YOU CAN SEE WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON THEM. 1461 01:05:14,094 --> 01:05:16,729 AND THIS KIND OF THING MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY USEFUL 1462 01:05:16,729 --> 01:05:20,967 IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL COLLABORATORS. 1463 01:05:20,967 --> 01:05:24,003 YOU COULD ALSO LOOK UP ON THE REPORT SITE, 1464 01:05:24,003 --> 01:05:26,473 WHICH IS RELATED, YOU KNOW, 1465 01:05:26,473 --> 01:05:29,442 WHAT'S GOING ON AT A NEIGHBORING INSTITUTION, 1466 01:05:29,442 --> 01:05:32,045 MIGHT THERE BE SOMETHING OF INTEREST THERE. 1467 01:05:32,045 --> 01:05:34,280 SO WE HAVE THIS FUNCTIONALITY, 1468 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,684 THEY'RE CALLED AWARDS BY LOCATION. 1469 01:05:37,684 --> 01:05:38,518 OKAY, SO, 1470 01:05:39,486 --> 01:05:41,955 NOW, WHERE DO WE TURN FOR ADVICE? 1471 01:05:41,955 --> 01:05:45,625 SO, THERE ARE THREE MAJOR CATEGORIES 1472 01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:48,728 OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN EXTRAMURAL. 1473 01:05:48,728 --> 01:05:51,297 PROGRAM STAFF, REVIEW STAFF, 1474 01:05:51,297 --> 01:05:52,832 AND GRANTS MANAGEMENT STAFF. 1475 01:05:52,832 --> 01:05:56,569 AND THE DISCUSSION THAT I JUST HEARD PART OF, 1476 01:05:58,338 --> 01:06:01,808 I KNOW A FAIR AMOUNT ABOUT PEER REVIEW, 1477 01:06:01,808 --> 01:06:03,743 AND I THINK LATER TODAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARING 1478 01:06:03,743 --> 01:06:07,080 FROM MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT GRANTS MANAGEMENT 1479 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,681 AND HOW THAT WORKS. 1480 01:06:09,682 --> 01:06:11,618 SO THIS YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW, 1481 01:06:11,618 --> 01:06:12,752 THE PROGRAM STAFF, 1482 01:06:12,752 --> 01:06:15,855 THESE ARE TRAINED SCIENTISTS, 1483 01:06:15,855 --> 01:06:19,792 AND EACH OF THEM WILL MANAGE A PORTFOLIO OF GRANTS. 1484 01:06:19,792 --> 01:06:21,661 SOME OF THEM ALSO MANAGE CONTRACTS 1485 01:06:21,661 --> 01:06:24,664 AND OTHER TRANSACTION AWARDS. 1486 01:06:24,664 --> 01:06:28,434 SOME OF OUR PROGRAM STAFF WRITE THE INITIATIVES 1487 01:06:28,434 --> 01:06:29,802 OF THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES 1488 01:06:29,802 --> 01:06:33,173 THAT YOU WILL FIND IN THE GUIDE, 1489 01:06:33,173 --> 01:06:34,641 WHICH I WILL GET TO LATER. 1490 01:06:34,641 --> 01:06:36,643 SOME OF OUR PROGRAM STAFF DON'T DO THAT. 1491 01:06:36,643 --> 01:06:39,612 SOME OF OUR PROGRAM STAFF SPEND THEIR TIME 1492 01:06:39,612 --> 01:06:44,450 MANAGING TYPICALLY A VERY LARGE COHORT OF GRANTS. 1493 01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:47,220 THEY PROVIDE PROGRAMMATIC, TECHNICAL GUIDANCE, 1494 01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:49,556 SCIENTIFIC GUIDANCE. 1495 01:06:49,556 --> 01:06:51,791 THEY PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE 1496 01:06:52,692 --> 01:06:55,261 IN HELPING TO DETERMINE WHICH GRANTS GET FUNDED. 1497 01:06:55,261 --> 01:06:59,132 NOW, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAKE A POINT HERE, 1498 01:06:59,132 --> 01:07:01,701 WHICH IS THAT THE FUNDING DECISIONS ARE MADE 1499 01:07:01,701 --> 01:07:03,970 BY THE IC DIRECTORS. 1500 01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:06,206 THEY'RE NOT MADE BY PEER REVIEWERS, 1501 01:07:06,206 --> 01:07:08,875 THEY'RE NOT MADE BY SROS. 1502 01:07:08,875 --> 01:07:11,277 THE IC DIRECTORS ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE 1503 01:07:11,277 --> 01:07:13,680 FOR DECIDING WHICH GRANTS GET FUNDED. 1504 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,082 AND, OF COURSE, PARTICULARLY IN THE LARGER ICS, 1505 01:07:16,082 --> 01:07:17,483 THEY DON'T DO THIS BY THEMSELVES, 1506 01:07:17,483 --> 01:07:19,886 THEY DO THIS WITH THEIR STAFF 1507 01:07:23,523 --> 01:07:26,326 IN HELPING TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DECISIONS. 1508 01:07:26,326 --> 01:07:28,595 AND PROGRAM STAFF WILL ALSO PLAY A ROLE 1509 01:07:28,595 --> 01:07:30,496 IN POST-AWARD MANAGEMENT. 1510 01:07:30,496 --> 01:07:32,365 THAT WILL INCLUDE READING THE PROGRESS REPORTS, 1511 01:07:32,365 --> 01:07:34,267 MAKING SURE THAT THINGS ARE OKAY. 1512 01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:35,969 AND THEN IN THOSE INSTANCES 1513 01:07:35,969 --> 01:07:37,503 WHERE THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH GRANTS, 1514 01:07:37,503 --> 01:07:38,671 THEY OFTEN WILL PLAY A ROLE 1515 01:07:38,671 --> 01:07:41,874 IN FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOING ON. 1516 01:07:41,874 --> 01:07:45,578 SO, THERE ARE MANY PROGRAM OFFICERS, 1517 01:07:45,578 --> 01:07:48,248 I THINK THERE ARE ABOUT 1,300 PROGRAM OFFICERS AT NIH, 1518 01:07:48,248 --> 01:07:49,148 SO HOW DO YOU FIGURE OUT 1519 01:07:49,148 --> 01:07:51,851 WHICH ONE THAT YOU SHOULD GET IN TOUCH WITH? 1520 01:07:51,851 --> 01:07:54,053 SO MY COLLEAGUES A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO CAME OUT 1521 01:07:54,053 --> 01:07:56,422 WITH SOMETHING CALLED MATCHMAKER. 1522 01:07:56,422 --> 01:07:58,925 THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH "FIDDLER ON THE ROOF," 1523 01:07:58,925 --> 01:08:02,462 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN START SINGING THE SONG. 1524 01:08:02,462 --> 01:08:04,664 AND SO THIS IS HOW MATCHMAKER WORKS. 1525 01:08:04,664 --> 01:08:06,933 SO IT'S ON THE REPORTER SITE, 1526 01:08:06,933 --> 01:08:10,203 AND THERE IS A A BOX THAT YOU CAN FIND 1527 01:08:10,203 --> 01:08:12,238 WHICH IS CALLED MATCHMAKER. 1528 01:08:12,238 --> 01:08:14,974 AND WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN TYPE 1529 01:08:14,974 --> 01:08:16,643 INTO THIS BOX ANYTHING, 1530 01:08:16,643 --> 01:08:17,477 ANYTHING YOU WANT. 1531 01:08:17,477 --> 01:08:19,679 NOW, IF YOU TYPE IN A FEW WORDS, 1532 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:20,813 YOU KNOW, YOU'LL GET SOMETHING, 1533 01:08:20,813 --> 01:08:23,116 IT MAY NOT BE QUITE AS PRECISE AS YOU WANT, 1534 01:08:23,116 --> 01:08:25,318 BUT WHAT YOU MIGHT DO IS TYPE AN ABSTRACT 1535 01:08:25,318 --> 01:08:27,186 FROM A PAPER THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN 1536 01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:30,456 OR MAYBE YOU TYPE IN AN ABSTRACT 1537 01:08:30,456 --> 01:08:33,126 OF A PROPOSED GRANT THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WRITING. 1538 01:08:33,126 --> 01:08:35,461 BUT YOU CAN REALLY TYPE IN ANYTHING. 1539 01:08:35,461 --> 01:08:37,497 YOU CAN PUT IN 15,000 CHARACTERS, 1540 01:08:37,497 --> 01:08:39,232 SO THIS CAN BE FAIRLY LENGTHY. 1541 01:08:39,232 --> 01:08:42,802 AND THEN THIS USES LANGUAGE PROCESSING 1542 01:08:42,802 --> 01:08:44,804 TO THEN COME UP WITH A RESULT. 1543 01:08:44,804 --> 01:08:47,907 SO HERE WE'VE TYPED IN SOME LANGUAGE, 1544 01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:51,277 AND IT WILL YIELD A RESULT. 1545 01:08:51,277 --> 01:08:54,080 SO YOU CAN LOOK AT TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF RESULTS. 1546 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,882 YOU CAN LOOK AT PROJECTS, 1547 01:08:55,882 --> 01:08:58,785 SO PROJECTS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE YOURS 1548 01:08:58,785 --> 01:09:00,119 THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU A SENSE 1549 01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:03,790 AS TO WHAT TYPES OF WORK THE AGENCY IS FUNDING, 1550 01:09:03,790 --> 01:09:06,559 WHAT TYPES OF WORK THE AGENCY IS NOT FUNDING. 1551 01:09:06,559 --> 01:09:08,695 IT MIGHT ALSO GIVE YOU A SENSE 1552 01:09:08,695 --> 01:09:12,532 AS TO WHO'S DOING WORK THAT YOU MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH, 1553 01:09:12,532 --> 01:09:14,167 AND THAT MIGHT ALSO HELP 1554 01:09:14,167 --> 01:09:17,070 TO DIRECT POTENTIAL COLLABORATIONS. 1555 01:09:18,971 --> 01:09:20,273 SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, 1556 01:09:20,273 --> 01:09:24,577 IT TURNS OUT THAT MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE COMING 1557 01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:26,179 FROM NHLBI AND NCI. 1558 01:09:28,147 --> 01:09:30,750 AND THIS IS JUST PRESENTED FOR EXAMPLE ONLY. 1559 01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:35,822 AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON TOP OF THAT PARTICULAR IC, 1560 01:09:35,822 --> 01:09:37,957 SO, IN THIS CASE, NHLBI, 1561 01:09:37,957 --> 01:09:40,660 IT WILL THEN PULL OUT THE NHLBI PROJECTS, 1562 01:09:40,660 --> 01:09:45,064 AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE IF YOU WANT TO. 1563 01:09:45,064 --> 01:09:47,300 NOW, IF YOU WANNA FIGURE OUT 1564 01:09:47,300 --> 01:09:49,435 WHICH PROGRAM OFFICER YOU CONTACT, 1565 01:09:49,435 --> 01:09:51,604 THEN YOU CLICK THE OTHER TAB, 1566 01:09:51,604 --> 01:09:53,639 WHICH IS CALLED PROGRAM OFFICIALS. 1567 01:09:53,639 --> 01:09:56,242 AND THIS WILL SHOW YOU THEN THE PROGRAM OFFICIALS 1568 01:09:56,242 --> 01:10:00,446 WHO ARE LOOKING OR MANAGING THE MOST NUMBER OF GRANTS 1569 01:10:00,446 --> 01:10:01,614 IN THIS PARTICULAR 1570 01:10:01,614 --> 01:10:03,683 THAT LINK, THAT MATCH 1571 01:10:03,683 --> 01:10:06,018 TO THE TEXT THAT YOU PUT IN. 1572 01:10:07,820 --> 01:10:11,624 AND IF YOU WERE TO CLICK ON THOSE PARTICULAR INDIVIDUALS, 1573 01:10:11,624 --> 01:10:14,060 YOU WOULD SEE WHICH PROJECTS THEY'RE ACTUALLY OVERSEEING. 1574 01:10:14,060 --> 01:10:15,495 AND THEN YOU COULD SEE, OH YEAH, 1575 01:10:15,495 --> 01:10:17,196 THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO MINE, 1576 01:10:17,196 --> 01:10:19,065 SO I GUESS THIS IS THE PERSON 1577 01:10:19,065 --> 01:10:21,167 THAT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO. 1578 01:10:21,167 --> 01:10:22,969 OR, NOT REALLY, 1579 01:10:22,969 --> 01:10:24,871 THIS PERSON IS MANAGING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, 1580 01:10:24,871 --> 01:10:27,340 SO I'M GONNA GO LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE. 1581 01:10:27,340 --> 01:10:29,909 BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS THAT IT HELPS YOU GO 1582 01:10:29,909 --> 01:10:32,278 FROM 1,300 PROGRAM OFFICERS 1583 01:10:32,278 --> 01:10:34,380 TO MAYBE 5 TO 10, 1584 01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:36,149 AND THAT WOULD THEN MAKE IT A LOT EASIER 1585 01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:40,153 TO FIGURE OUT WHOM YOU MIGHT WANT TO REACH OUT TO. 1586 01:10:40,153 --> 01:10:40,987 OKAY. 1587 01:10:42,455 --> 01:10:44,524 NOW, THE SCIENTIFIC REVIEW OFFICER, 1588 01:10:44,524 --> 01:10:47,126 OF COURSE, THESE ARE ALSO TRAINED SCIENTISTS, 1589 01:10:47,126 --> 01:10:48,227 BUT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE 1590 01:10:48,227 --> 01:10:51,330 FOR OVERSEEING THE PEER REVIEW PROCESS. 1591 01:10:51,330 --> 01:10:52,999 AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE 1592 01:10:52,999 --> 01:10:56,169 THAT THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN A FAIR AND OBJECTIVE WAY. 1593 01:10:56,169 --> 01:10:59,038 THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRODUCING THE SUMMARY 1594 01:10:59,038 --> 01:11:01,107 AND THE SUMMARY STATEMENT. 1595 01:11:01,107 --> 01:11:02,675 THEY ALSO REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS 1596 01:11:02,675 --> 01:11:05,545 TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE. 1597 01:11:05,545 --> 01:11:07,447 SO DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS, 1598 01:11:07,447 --> 01:11:10,683 THE SRO IS THE MAIN PERSON TO TALK WITH, 1599 01:11:10,683 --> 01:11:15,521 PARTICULARLY IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH REVIEW-RELATED ISSUES. 1600 01:11:16,522 --> 01:11:19,325 THE PROGRAM OFFICER WOULD BE THE PERSON TO DEAL WITH 1601 01:11:19,325 --> 01:11:22,562 ON PROGRAMMATIC OR SCIENTIFIC ISSUES. 1602 01:11:22,562 --> 01:11:24,096 AND, YOU KNOW, 1603 01:11:24,096 --> 01:11:28,434 SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ENTIRELY CLEAR WHO TO GET A HOLD OF, 1604 01:11:28,434 --> 01:11:31,003 BUT THEY CAN HELP FIGURE IT OUT. 1605 01:11:31,003 --> 01:11:33,005 ALL RIGHT, NOW, LET'S SAY THAT WE GET TO A POINT 1606 01:11:33,005 --> 01:11:35,608 WHERE A GRANT IS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING. 1607 01:11:35,608 --> 01:11:36,843 THEN AT THAT POINT, 1608 01:11:36,843 --> 01:11:40,046 THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT PEOPLE GET INVOLVED. 1609 01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:42,715 SO WE HAVE A PROCESS HERE AT NIH 1610 01:11:43,549 --> 01:11:46,552 WHERE ANY GRANT THAT GETS WORKED UP FOR FUNDING 1611 01:11:46,552 --> 01:11:49,689 HAS TO BE HANDLED BY TWO PEOPLE INDEPENDENTLY 1612 01:11:49,689 --> 01:11:51,057 WHO HAVE SEPARATE ROLES. 1613 01:11:51,057 --> 01:11:54,260 AND THE IDEA HERE IS WE'RE NOW ISSUING MONEY. 1614 01:11:54,260 --> 01:11:55,795 AND SO BECAUSE WE'RE ISSUING MONEY, 1615 01:11:55,795 --> 01:11:57,563 WE HAVE TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE 1616 01:11:57,563 --> 01:11:58,664 THAT, AS BEST AS WE CAN, 1617 01:11:58,664 --> 01:12:00,533 EVERYTHING IS BEING DONE RIGHT. 1618 01:12:00,533 --> 01:12:02,301 SO THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY, 1619 01:12:02,301 --> 01:12:04,337 THERE WILL BE A GRANTS MANAGEMENT SPECIALIST TYPICALLY 1620 01:12:04,337 --> 01:12:05,838 WHO WILL WORK UP THE GRANT, 1621 01:12:05,838 --> 01:12:08,174 CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS OKAY. 1622 01:12:08,174 --> 01:12:11,444 SO THEY'LL DO A PRE-AWARD RISK ASSESSMENT, 1623 01:12:11,444 --> 01:12:12,345 THEY'LL CHECK TO MAKE SURE 1624 01:12:12,345 --> 01:12:15,281 THAT NOBODY IS ON THE EXCLUSION LIST, 1625 01:12:15,281 --> 01:12:17,817 THEY'LL MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE FINANCIALLY IN ORDER, 1626 01:12:17,817 --> 01:12:21,153 THEY GO THROUGH A WHOLE SERIES OF STEPS. 1627 01:12:22,555 --> 01:12:24,557 AND THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSON 1628 01:12:24,557 --> 01:12:26,192 IN THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICE 1629 01:12:26,192 --> 01:12:28,794 WHO'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SAYING YUP 1630 01:12:28,794 --> 01:12:30,162 AND CLICKING THE BUTTON 1631 01:12:30,162 --> 01:12:33,766 THAT SAYS NOW THE CHECK CAN BE ISSUED. 1632 01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:35,501 AND NOT INFREQUENTLY, 1633 01:12:36,502 --> 01:12:38,538 AS I'M SURE A NUMBER OF YOU KNOW, 1634 01:12:38,538 --> 01:12:42,108 THERE'S NEGOTIATION AT THIS POINT BETWEEN THE APPLICANT, 1635 01:12:42,108 --> 01:12:43,809 THAT'S THE INSTITUTION, 1636 01:12:43,809 --> 01:12:46,379 BY THE WAY, WE DON'T ISSUE GRANTS TO SCIENTISTS, 1637 01:12:46,379 --> 01:12:49,015 WE ISSUE GRANTS TO INSTITUTIONS, 1638 01:12:49,015 --> 01:12:52,485 AND THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT SPECIALISTS 1639 01:12:52,485 --> 01:12:56,188 AND SOMETIMES THE PROGRAM STAFF WILL GET INVOLVED AS WELL. 1640 01:12:56,188 --> 01:12:59,625 AND THEN THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT STAFF WILL ALSO GET INVOLVED 1641 01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:01,027 IN POST-AWARD MANAGEMENT, 1642 01:13:01,027 --> 01:13:04,530 THAT INCLUDES MAKING SURE THAT THE FINANCES ARE IN ORDER, 1643 01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:07,099 AND THEN A PART OF THE GRANT-MAKING PROCESS, 1644 01:13:07,099 --> 01:13:09,602 WHICH HAS BECOME QUITE INTERESTING FOR US, 1645 01:13:09,602 --> 01:13:10,469 AND THAT'S CLOSEOUT, 1646 01:13:10,469 --> 01:13:11,837 THAT'S WHEN THE GRANT ENDS. 1647 01:13:11,837 --> 01:13:14,340 MAKING SURE THAT THE FINAL PROGRESS REPORT IS IN, 1648 01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:15,741 THE INVENTION REPORT IS IN, 1649 01:13:15,741 --> 01:13:18,210 ALL THE FINANCES ARE IN ORDER. 1650 01:13:21,013 --> 01:13:21,847 OKAY, NOW, 1651 01:13:23,649 --> 01:13:25,785 WHAT ABOUT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES? 1652 01:13:25,785 --> 01:13:28,754 AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO WE FIND THEM? 1653 01:13:28,754 --> 01:13:31,324 SO, WE USED TO CALL THESE FOAS, 1654 01:13:32,825 --> 01:13:34,660 FUNDING OPPORTUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS. 1655 01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:37,029 WE ALL GOT VERY USED TO THAT, 1656 01:13:37,029 --> 01:13:37,863 AND THEN WE WERE TOLD, 1657 01:13:37,863 --> 01:13:39,131 NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO USE IT, 1658 01:13:39,131 --> 01:13:40,633 YOU HAVE TO USE A DIFFERENT TERM. 1659 01:13:40,633 --> 01:13:43,436 SO THE TERM IS NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, 1660 01:13:43,436 --> 01:13:44,704 OR NOFOS. 1661 01:13:44,704 --> 01:13:46,272 AND THIS CAME FROM THE DEPARTMENT, 1662 01:13:46,272 --> 01:13:47,707 AND IT TURNED OUT EVERY OTHER PART 1663 01:13:47,707 --> 01:13:50,242 OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HHS HAS BEEN USING THIS 1664 01:13:50,242 --> 01:13:52,211 FOR THE LAST 5,000 YEARS. 1665 01:13:52,211 --> 01:13:53,946 AND WE WERE TOLD, OKAY, NIH, 1666 01:13:53,946 --> 01:13:55,881 IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GET ON BOARD AS WELL. 1667 01:13:55,881 --> 01:13:56,949 BUT IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, 1668 01:13:56,949 --> 01:13:59,852 AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY PUT OUT A GUIDE NOTICE THAT SAID, 1669 01:13:59,852 --> 01:14:01,120 SOME OF YOU MAY BE NOTICING 1670 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,723 THAT WE'RE USING THE WORD NOFO INSTEAD OF FOA, 1671 01:14:03,723 --> 01:14:05,625 AND NO, THERE'S NOTHING EVIL BEHIND THIS, 1672 01:14:05,625 --> 01:14:07,693 THERE'S NO GRAND CONSPIRACY. 1673 01:14:07,693 --> 01:14:09,562 IT'S JUST THAT IN THIS REGARD, 1674 01:14:09,562 --> 01:14:12,264 THIS AGENCY HAS BEEN A BIT BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. 1675 01:14:12,264 --> 01:14:13,199 ALL RIGHT, SO, 1676 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,436 THE PURPOSE OF NOFOS IS TO ADVERTISE OPPORTUNITIES. 1677 01:14:18,471 --> 01:14:20,640 AND I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW THIS, 1678 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,541 BUT SOME OF YOUR FACULTY MAY NOT, 1679 01:14:22,541 --> 01:14:25,011 YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND FIND OUT, 1680 01:14:25,011 --> 01:14:26,012 YOU KNOW, ABOUT NOFOS. 1681 01:14:26,012 --> 01:14:27,647 AND I REMEMBER IN MY DAY 1682 01:14:27,647 --> 01:14:29,882 I USED TO GET THEM EVERY FRIDAY AFTERNOON, 1683 01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:31,017 YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS COMING IN, 1684 01:14:31,017 --> 01:14:33,019 ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T USUALLY HAVE TO WAIT 1685 01:14:33,019 --> 01:14:34,487 TO LOOK IT UP ON MY EMAIL 1686 01:14:34,487 --> 01:14:36,555 BECAUSE MY DEPARTMENT CHAIR WAS SO EAGER 1687 01:14:36,555 --> 01:14:37,490 ABOUT THIS KIND OF THING 1688 01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:39,925 THAT USUALLY WITHIN A MATTER OF MILLISECONDS 1689 01:14:39,925 --> 01:14:41,827 HE WOULD SHOW UP IN MY OFFICE AND HE WOULD SAY, 1690 01:14:41,827 --> 01:14:44,797 "YOU ARE APPLYING FOR THIS ONE." 1691 01:14:44,797 --> 01:14:47,867 OKAY, SO WHAT DO NOFOS INCLUDE? 1692 01:14:47,867 --> 01:14:50,803 THEY INCLUDE A DESCRIPTION OF THE PROGRAM, 1693 01:14:50,803 --> 01:14:53,706 WHICH ICS ARE PARTICIPATING, 1694 01:14:53,706 --> 01:14:56,409 DATES, YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE THE RECEIPT DATES? 1695 01:14:56,409 --> 01:14:57,243 WHEN DOES THIS OPEN? 1696 01:14:57,243 --> 01:14:58,944 WHEN DOES THIS EXPIRE? 1697 01:14:58,944 --> 01:15:00,479 INFORMATION ABOUT THE AWARD, 1698 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,248 WHO'S ELIGIBLE, 1699 01:15:02,248 --> 01:15:04,116 WHAT THE APPLICATION NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, 1700 01:15:04,116 --> 01:15:07,019 WHAT CRITERIA WILL BE USED FOR REVIEW, 1701 01:15:07,019 --> 01:15:08,554 HOW THE AWARD WILL BE ADMINISTERED. 1702 01:15:08,554 --> 01:15:10,823 AND THEN A REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT ONE 1703 01:15:10,823 --> 01:15:12,358 IS AT THE VERY END, 1704 01:15:12,358 --> 01:15:14,360 WHO ARE THE POINTS OF CONTACT? 1705 01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,129 SO, ONE REALLY CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PART 1706 01:15:17,129 --> 01:15:20,866 IS THAT IF A PARTICULAR NOFO IS LOOKING 1707 01:15:20,866 --> 01:15:22,368 FOR SOMETHING SPECIFIC, 1708 01:15:22,368 --> 01:15:24,470 BEFORE YOU SPEND TOO MUCH TIME WRITING IT, 1709 01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:27,506 YOU MIGHT WANNA CONTACT THE PROGRAM STAFF AND SAY, 1710 01:15:27,506 --> 01:15:31,143 THIS IS MY IDEA, IS THIS RESPONSIVE? 1711 01:15:31,143 --> 01:15:32,311 AND I WILL TELL YOU, 1712 01:15:32,311 --> 01:15:33,512 I SPENT A NUMBER OF YEARS 1713 01:15:33,512 --> 01:15:36,916 AS A PROGRAM DIVISION DIRECTOR AT NHLBI, 1714 01:15:36,916 --> 01:15:39,785 AND IT WAS HEARTBREAKING WHEN, 1715 01:15:39,785 --> 01:15:42,988 YOU KNOW, I WOULD GET A CALL FROM A SCIENTIST WHO WOULD SAY, 1716 01:15:42,988 --> 01:15:45,191 "I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY MY APPLICATION 1717 01:15:45,191 --> 01:15:47,426 THAT I SPENT SO MUCH TIME WORKING ON 1718 01:15:47,426 --> 01:15:49,729 GOT ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHDRAWN," 1719 01:15:49,729 --> 01:15:50,763 AND IT WAS WITHDRAWN 1720 01:15:50,763 --> 01:15:53,799 BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS NOT RESPONSIVE 1721 01:15:53,799 --> 01:15:56,902 TO THE FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT. 1722 01:15:56,902 --> 01:15:59,004 AND I WOULD SAY, "WELL, DID YOU TALK TO THE PROGRAM STAFF?" 1723 01:15:59,004 --> 01:16:01,640 AND THEY WOULD SAY NO. 1724 01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:03,909 OKAY, SO WHERE CAN YOU FIND THEM? 1725 01:16:03,909 --> 01:16:04,810 SO WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED 1726 01:16:04,810 --> 01:16:07,313 THE NIH GUIDE FOR GRANTS & CONTRACTS, 1727 01:16:07,313 --> 01:16:10,249 IT'S REALLY THE NIH GUIDE FOR GRANTS. 1728 01:16:10,249 --> 01:16:13,652 AND ANOTHER PLACE YOU CAN FIND THEM IS GRANTS.GOV. 1729 01:16:13,652 --> 01:16:16,822 GRANTS.GOV HAS INFORMATION ABOUT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES 1730 01:16:16,822 --> 01:16:18,491 ACROSS THE GOVERNMENT, 1731 01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:22,061 SO ALL FEDERAL GRANT-MAKING AGENCIES. 1732 01:16:22,061 --> 01:16:25,598 ALL RIGHT, SO THE NIH GUIDE INCLUDES NOFOS. 1733 01:16:25,598 --> 01:16:28,934 IT ALSO INCLUDES OTHER KINDS OF NOTICES, 1734 01:16:28,934 --> 01:16:30,770 LIKE NOTICES OF SPECIAL INTEREST, 1735 01:16:30,770 --> 01:16:32,705 I'LL TALK ABOUT EACH OF THESE. 1736 01:16:32,705 --> 01:16:34,273 POLICY UPDATES, 1737 01:16:34,273 --> 01:16:36,509 SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO 1738 01:16:36,509 --> 01:16:39,044 WE PUT OUT OUR DATA MANAGEMENT SHARING POLICY, 1739 01:16:39,044 --> 01:16:40,980 SO THAT'S WHERE WE PUT IT OUT, 1740 01:16:40,980 --> 01:16:42,314 IS IN THE GUIDE. 1741 01:16:43,382 --> 01:16:45,284 CHANGES TO THE NOFOS. 1742 01:16:45,284 --> 01:16:48,554 SOME OF THEM MAY BE SEEMINGLY TRIVIAL, THEY'RE NOT, 1743 01:16:48,554 --> 01:16:50,589 BUT MAYBE A CHANGE IN THE RECEIPT DATE 1744 01:16:50,589 --> 01:16:53,058 OR A CHANGE IN THE TEXT OF THE NOFO. 1745 01:16:53,058 --> 01:16:55,060 AND THEN ALSO INFORMATION ABOUT WEBINARS 1746 01:16:55,060 --> 01:16:56,195 AND TRAINING EVENTS. 1747 01:16:56,195 --> 01:17:01,200 SOME OF THE NOFOS THAT ARE PARTICULARLY QUITE COMPLICATED, 1748 01:17:01,433 --> 01:17:03,135 OUR STAFF WILL PUT ON A WEBINAR 1749 01:17:03,135 --> 01:17:05,604 TO DESCRIBE WHAT THE NATURE OF THE OPPORTUNITY IS 1750 01:17:05,604 --> 01:17:08,340 AND ALSO TO TAKE QUESTIONS. 1751 01:17:08,340 --> 01:17:10,009 OKAY, SO NOFO TYPES. 1752 01:17:11,277 --> 01:17:14,380 THERE ARE WHAT WE CALL REQUESTS FOR APPLICATIONS. 1753 01:17:14,380 --> 01:17:18,083 SO REQUEST FOR APPLICATION MEANS THERE'S MONEY. 1754 01:17:18,083 --> 01:17:19,852 THE IC HAS DECIDED THIS IS SOMETHING 1755 01:17:19,852 --> 01:17:21,187 THAT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH 1756 01:17:21,187 --> 01:17:22,721 THAT WE ARE SETTING ASIDE MONEY. 1757 01:17:22,721 --> 01:17:24,824 SO YOU WANNA PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. 1758 01:17:24,824 --> 01:17:26,058 PARENT ANNOUNCEMENTS, 1759 01:17:26,058 --> 01:17:29,328 THIS IS THE GENERAL, YOU KNOW, 1760 01:17:29,328 --> 01:17:33,098 UNSOLICITED INVESTIGATOR-INITIATED WORK. 1761 01:17:33,098 --> 01:17:35,401 AND THEN PROGRAM ANNOUNCEMENTS, 1762 01:17:35,401 --> 01:17:37,436 AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE IN JUST A SECOND. 1763 01:17:37,436 --> 01:17:40,539 AND THE NOTICES OF SPECIAL INTEREST MEANS THAT, 1764 01:17:40,539 --> 01:17:43,709 AND IC IS SAYING WE ARE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN X. 1765 01:17:43,709 --> 01:17:46,612 IT COULD BE A DISEASE OR A CONDITION. 1766 01:17:46,612 --> 01:17:49,715 AND THERE'S NO MONEY BEING SET ASIDE, 1767 01:17:49,715 --> 01:17:52,818 BUT IT'S SIMPLY A STATEMENT OF INTEREST. 1768 01:17:52,818 --> 01:17:55,654 SO RFAS, REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS, 1769 01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:59,692 AGAIN, THIS MEANS MONEY IS SET ASIDE. 1770 01:17:59,692 --> 01:18:02,027 OFTEN THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE RECEIPT DATE. 1771 01:18:02,027 --> 01:18:04,463 NOT ALWAYS, BUT OFTEN THERE IS. 1772 01:18:04,463 --> 01:18:07,733 AND THE SCOPE IS GENERALLY FAIRLY NARROW. 1773 01:18:07,733 --> 01:18:10,970 A PARENT ANNOUNCEMENT WOULD BE LIKE THE PARENT RO1. 1774 01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:14,840 THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST COMMONLY USED ANNOUNCEMENT 1775 01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,041 THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. 1776 01:18:16,041 --> 01:18:18,410 SO WE DON'T SPECIFY THE SCIENCE, 1777 01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:21,180 IT'S BASICALLY COME IN WITH YOUR GREAT IDEAS, 1778 01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:23,816 AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITHIN THE NIH MISSION, 1779 01:18:23,816 --> 01:18:25,017 WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, 1780 01:18:25,017 --> 01:18:28,621 AND THEY USE THE STANDARD DUE DATES. 1781 01:18:28,621 --> 01:18:29,989 PROGRAM ANNOUNCEMENTS ARE, 1782 01:18:29,989 --> 01:18:31,190 IT'S KIND OF A FUNNY TERM 1783 01:18:31,190 --> 01:18:33,759 BECAUSE THEY ARE ANNOUNCEMENTS 1784 01:18:33,759 --> 01:18:35,461 BUT THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY PROGRAMS. 1785 01:18:35,461 --> 01:18:37,396 I ONCE HAD TO EXPLAIN THIS TO A REPORTER, 1786 01:18:37,396 --> 01:18:39,865 IT WAS KINDA INTERESTING. 1787 01:18:39,865 --> 01:18:44,119 BUT THESE TYPICALLY WILL HIGHLIGHT CERTAIN AREAS OF 1788 01:18:44,119 --> 01:18:44,703 FOCUS. 1789 01:18:45,771 --> 01:18:48,274 WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED PARS. 1790 01:18:50,342 --> 01:18:52,111 SO THIS IS WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL, 1791 01:18:52,111 --> 01:18:54,179 LIKE A SPECIAL DATE OR A SPECIAL REVIEW, 1792 01:18:54,179 --> 01:18:56,949 MAYBE THERE'S A SPECIAL REVIEW PANEL THAT'S BEING SET UP, 1793 01:18:56,949 --> 01:18:59,551 SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE BEING DONE, 1794 01:18:59,551 --> 01:19:03,122 BUT THERE'S NO MONEY THAT'S ACTUALLY BEING SET ASIDE. 1795 01:19:03,122 --> 01:19:05,124 WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER TERM CALLED PAS, 1796 01:19:05,124 --> 01:19:06,625 A PROGRAM ANNOUNCEMENT WITH SET ASIDE, 1797 01:19:06,625 --> 01:19:08,961 THESE ARE VERY, VERY UNCOMMON. 1798 01:19:08,961 --> 01:19:10,529 WE USUALLY USE THE OTHER ONE, 1799 01:19:10,529 --> 01:19:13,666 THE REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS. 1800 01:19:13,666 --> 01:19:15,434 OKAY, AND THEN NOSIS, 1801 01:19:16,335 --> 01:19:18,237 AGAIN, INDICATE THAT WE'RE INTERESTED 1802 01:19:18,237 --> 01:19:20,606 IN A PARTICULAR AREA OF SCIENCE, 1803 01:19:20,606 --> 01:19:22,908 BUT THERE'S NO MONEY WHICH IS BEING SET ASIDE, 1804 01:19:22,908 --> 01:19:26,946 AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE. 1805 01:19:26,946 --> 01:19:30,082 WE ISSUE LOTS AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF GRANTS, 1806 01:19:30,082 --> 01:19:32,818 AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS. 1807 01:19:32,818 --> 01:19:34,219 SO THERE ARE RESEARCH GRANTS, 1808 01:19:34,219 --> 01:19:35,888 PROGRAM GRANTS, RESOURCE GRANTS, 1809 01:19:35,888 --> 01:19:37,189 TRAINING GRANTS, FELLOWSHIP GRANTS, 1810 01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:38,023 CAREER DEVELOPMENT GRANTS, 1811 01:19:38,023 --> 01:19:39,725 THERE'S EVEN MORE. 1812 01:19:39,725 --> 01:19:40,726 IT'S A VERY, 1813 01:19:41,727 --> 01:19:45,965 THE PORTFOLIO OF THIS AGENCY IS REMARKABLY DIVERSE. 1814 01:19:47,066 --> 01:19:50,002 AND YOU CAN GO TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, 1815 01:19:50,002 --> 01:19:50,836 THIS IS, AGAIN, 1816 01:19:50,836 --> 01:19:53,839 PART OF OUR GRANTS.NIH.GOV SITE 1817 01:19:53,839 --> 01:19:56,308 WHERE YOU CAN LOOK UP MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION 1818 01:19:56,308 --> 01:19:58,811 ABOUT SPECIFIC TYPES OF GRANTS 1819 01:19:58,811 --> 01:20:01,680 AND GET MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. 1820 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,384 WE HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE 1821 01:20:05,384 --> 01:20:07,519 AS PART OF GRANTS.NIH.GOV. 1822 01:20:08,420 --> 01:20:11,824 WE HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT STAYING CONNECTED, 1823 01:20:11,824 --> 01:20:15,060 AND SO YOU CAN LOOK UP THE LATEST NEWS. 1824 01:20:15,928 --> 01:20:18,364 WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE NIH EXTRAMURAL NEXUS. 1825 01:20:18,364 --> 01:20:21,133 HOW MANY OF YOU SUBSCRIBED TO THAT? 1826 01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:22,368 OKAY, GOOD. 1827 01:20:22,368 --> 01:20:23,802 AND THAT'S GOOD. 1828 01:20:23,802 --> 01:20:25,971 AND THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T, 1829 01:20:25,971 --> 01:20:27,706 PLEASE JOIN. 1830 01:20:27,706 --> 01:20:31,143 AND IT ALSO INCLUDES A BLOG AND ARTICLES 1831 01:20:31,143 --> 01:20:34,313 AND VARIOUS RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 1832 01:20:34,313 --> 01:20:38,150 AND WE HAVE LOTS OF VARIOUS RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. 1833 01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:39,718 SO THEY'RE ALL ON THE SLIDES, 1834 01:20:39,718 --> 01:20:41,186 AND YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP, 1835 01:20:41,186 --> 01:20:42,721 AND PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD 1836 01:20:42,721 --> 01:20:46,825 AND, YOU KNOW, LET YOUR COLLEAGUES KNOW. 1837 01:20:46,825 --> 01:20:47,993 THANKS, DORIT. 1838 01:20:50,062 --> 01:20:51,463 - [DORIT] SO TIME FOR QUESTIONS, 1839 01:20:51,463 --> 01:20:52,531 PLENTY OF TIME FOR QUESTIONS. 1840 01:20:52,531 --> 01:20:53,665 AND AGAIN, REMINDER, 1841 01:20:53,665 --> 01:20:55,467 ALL THESE SLIDES ARE ON THAT WEBSITE. 1842 01:20:55,467 --> 01:20:59,405 SO YOU CAN GO THERE AND CLICK ON ALL THE LINKS. 1843 01:21:00,839 --> 01:21:03,409 MIKE, YOU CAN JUST EITHER DO IT THERE OR SIT DOWN, 1844 01:21:03,409 --> 01:21:04,777 WHICHEVER YOU PREFER, 1845 01:21:04,777 --> 01:21:07,379 AND CALL ON PEOPLE AS YOU WISH. 1846 01:21:12,151 --> 01:21:12,951 - YEAH. 1847 01:21:16,355 --> 01:21:18,357 - HI, I'M ESTELA ESTAPE. 1848 01:21:19,358 --> 01:21:20,626 I'M A SENIOR. 1849 01:21:20,626 --> 01:21:23,796 I'VE BEEN IN NIH FOR A LONG TIME, 1850 01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,264 AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE 1851 01:21:25,264 --> 01:21:29,635 REPRESENTING SAN JUAN BAUTISTA SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. 1852 01:21:29,635 --> 01:21:31,437 I'M A RESEARCH CENTER DIRECTOR, 1853 01:21:31,437 --> 01:21:36,041 AND FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION AND NOW YOURS, 1854 01:21:36,041 --> 01:21:39,711 I'M DELIGHTED THAT THE NIH IS DOING SO MUCH 1855 01:21:39,711 --> 01:21:41,380 FOR PREVENTING BIAS. 1856 01:21:42,281 --> 01:21:44,483 I REALLY THINK THAT GOING 1857 01:21:44,483 --> 01:21:47,986 FROM THE LARGEST UNIVERSITY IN PUERTO RICO 1858 01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:49,888 TO THE SMALLEST MEDICAL SCHOOL 1859 01:21:49,888 --> 01:21:52,024 HAS GIVEN ME A WHOLE EXPERIENCE 1860 01:21:52,024 --> 01:21:55,160 OF HOW THE WORD LOOKS FROM THE OTHER SIDE. 1861 01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,562 SO I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, 1862 01:21:56,562 --> 01:22:00,632 IF AN APPLICATION HAS AN OBVIOUS BIAS IN THE REVIEW, 1863 01:22:00,632 --> 01:22:02,801 AND YOU CAN SEE IT IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT 1864 01:22:02,801 --> 01:22:04,169 WHEN YOU GET IT, RIGHT? 1865 01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:05,671 WHO SHOULD YOU CONTACT FIRST, 1866 01:22:05,671 --> 01:22:07,439 THE PO OR THE SRO? 1867 01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,375 AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT FOLLOWS THAT ONE, RIGHT? 1868 01:22:10,375 --> 01:22:13,846 IF THE BIAS HAS AN IMPACT IN THE SCORE, 1869 01:22:13,846 --> 01:22:16,782 CAN THIS BE CONSIDERING THE FUNDING DETERMINATION 1870 01:22:16,782 --> 01:22:19,351 BY THE INSTITUTE DIRECTOR? 1871 01:22:19,351 --> 01:22:21,453 - THANK YOU, SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION, 1872 01:22:21,453 --> 01:22:24,323 AND SO THE ISSUE IS IF THERE'S A CONCERN 1873 01:22:24,323 --> 01:22:25,357 THAT THERE MAY BE BIAS 1874 01:22:25,357 --> 01:22:28,427 IN THE WAY AN APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED, 1875 01:22:28,427 --> 01:22:31,730 AND I'LL ACTUALLY TAKE THIS A STEP BACK AND SAY, 1876 01:22:31,730 --> 01:22:35,000 ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE WAY THE APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED, 1877 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,235 IS THERE AN APPEALS PROCESS? 1878 01:22:36,235 --> 01:22:37,669 SO GENERALLY THE ANSWER IS YES, 1879 01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:38,904 THERE IS AN APPEALS PROCESS, 1880 01:22:38,904 --> 01:22:41,073 AND YOU WOULD WORK WITH YOUR PROGRAM STAFF 1881 01:22:41,073 --> 01:22:45,077 ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE POTENTIAL APPEAL. 1882 01:22:45,077 --> 01:22:47,279 THERE ARE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS 1883 01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:50,349 WHERE AN APPEAL IS NOT ALLOWABLE, 1884 01:22:50,349 --> 01:22:52,317 AND THAT TYPICALLY IS, 1885 01:22:52,317 --> 01:22:53,619 YOU KNOW, REQUEST FOR APPLICATIONS, 1886 01:22:53,619 --> 01:22:55,220 WHERE THERE'S SET-ASIDE MONEY, 1887 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:58,323 AND THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT, 1888 01:22:58,323 --> 01:23:01,293 THAT THERE ARE NO APPEALS ALLOWED. 1889 01:23:01,293 --> 01:23:02,594 BUT THOSE ARE EXCEPTIONS. 1890 01:23:02,594 --> 01:23:04,029 GENERALLY, APPEALS ARE ALLOWED. 1891 01:23:04,029 --> 01:23:07,866 AND APPEALS ARE ALLOWED FOR THREE REASONS. 1892 01:23:07,866 --> 01:23:09,001 ONE WOULD BE BIAS, 1893 01:23:09,001 --> 01:23:10,669 IF THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT BIAS 1894 01:23:10,669 --> 01:23:14,406 IN THE WAY THAT THE APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED. 1895 01:23:15,274 --> 01:23:18,810 THE SECOND WOULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 1896 01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:21,713 AND THEN A THIRD WOULD BE A FACTUAL ERROR, 1897 01:23:21,713 --> 01:23:23,448 AND THIS WOULD BE A FACTUAL ERROR 1898 01:23:23,448 --> 01:23:25,817 THAT ARGUABLY IS MATERIAL 1899 01:23:25,817 --> 01:23:28,320 TO HOW THE GRANT WAS REVIEWED. 1900 01:23:29,588 --> 01:23:31,924 SO PROGRAM STAFF WOULD WALK YOU THROUGH 1901 01:23:31,924 --> 01:23:34,092 HOW THAT APPEAL WOULD WORK. 1902 01:23:34,092 --> 01:23:38,197 IT CANNOT BE A DIFFERENCE OF SCIENTIFIC OPINION. 1903 01:23:38,197 --> 01:23:39,364 SO IT CANNOT BE, 1904 01:23:39,364 --> 01:23:41,733 I THINK THAT METHOD A IS THE GREATEST WAY 1905 01:23:41,733 --> 01:23:43,468 TO SOLVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM, 1906 01:23:43,468 --> 01:23:44,937 THEN SOMEBODY COMES BACK AND SAYS, 1907 01:23:44,937 --> 01:23:47,339 "WELL, NO, METHOD A IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL, 1908 01:23:47,339 --> 01:23:49,241 I THINK METHOD B IS BETTER." 1909 01:23:49,241 --> 01:23:50,175 AND WE UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, 1910 01:23:50,175 --> 01:23:52,911 THAT HAPPENS AND THAT CAN BE VERY FRUSTRATING. 1911 01:23:52,911 --> 01:23:54,513 BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD VIEW THAT 1912 01:23:54,513 --> 01:23:57,082 AS A DIFFERENCE OF SCIENTIFIC OPINION. 1913 01:23:57,082 --> 01:23:58,050 BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, 1914 01:23:58,050 --> 01:24:00,986 THERE ARE CASES WHERE THERE MAY BE, 1915 01:24:00,986 --> 01:24:02,154 YOU KNOW, CLEAR PROBLEMS. 1916 01:24:02,154 --> 01:24:03,388 AND SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS 1917 01:24:03,388 --> 01:24:07,259 IS THAT THAT APPEAL WILL GET PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. 1918 01:24:07,259 --> 01:24:10,796 AND DURING THE TIME WHEN I WAS A PROGRAM DIVISION DIRECTOR, 1919 01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:12,864 I DID PRESENT APPEALS TO COUNCIL, 1920 01:24:12,864 --> 01:24:15,801 AND OCCASIONALLY THE COUNCIL WOULD SAY, 1921 01:24:15,801 --> 01:24:17,936 YEAH, THERE ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING TO IT. 1922 01:24:17,936 --> 01:24:21,607 AND THEN IF THE COUNCIL DOES DECIDE 1923 01:24:21,607 --> 01:24:23,175 THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO IT, 1924 01:24:23,175 --> 01:24:24,710 THE IC HAS A NUMBER OF CHOICES. 1925 01:24:24,710 --> 01:24:27,512 THEY COULD RE-REVIEW THE GRANT, 1926 01:24:27,512 --> 01:24:30,249 OR I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD EXPERIENCES 1927 01:24:30,249 --> 01:24:31,516 WHERE THE IC DIRECTOR SAID, 1928 01:24:31,516 --> 01:24:33,852 "I THINK I'M GONNA JUST FUND THIS. 1929 01:24:33,852 --> 01:24:35,220 I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD POINT, 1930 01:24:35,220 --> 01:24:36,622 I LIKE THIS APPLICATION, 1931 01:24:36,622 --> 01:24:38,357 AND I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND FUND IT." 1932 01:24:38,357 --> 01:24:41,426 SO THAT IS AN OPTION WHICH IS AVAILABLE. 1933 01:24:41,426 --> 01:24:43,662 IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT 1934 01:24:43,662 --> 01:24:47,132 THAT THE PROGRAM STAFF BE NOTIFIED 1935 01:24:47,132 --> 01:24:48,834 ABOUT A POTENTIAL APPEAL EARLY 1936 01:24:48,834 --> 01:24:51,236 BECAUSE THERE IS, I FORGET WHAT IT IS ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 1937 01:24:51,236 --> 01:24:53,639 BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME, 1938 01:24:53,639 --> 01:24:55,507 YOU HAVE TO INDICATE THE APPEAL 1939 01:24:55,507 --> 01:24:58,176 WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. 1940 01:25:00,646 --> 01:25:01,480 YEAH. 1941 01:25:03,248 --> 01:25:04,283 - SO I'M MELISSA HARRINGTON, 1942 01:25:04,283 --> 01:25:05,350 DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY. 1943 01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:09,054 SO, I HAVE A SUGGESTION FOR REPORTER 1944 01:25:09,054 --> 01:25:11,390 THAT MIGHT MAKE THE SEARCHES MORE USEFUL. 1945 01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:14,393 THE ORGANIZATIONAL TYPE, RIGHT? 1946 01:25:14,393 --> 01:25:17,062 SO YOU'RE COLLECTING INFORMATION ON THE COVER SHEET 1947 01:25:17,062 --> 01:25:20,832 ABOUT A LOT MORE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THAT 1948 01:25:20,832 --> 01:25:23,068 THAT YOU CAN SEARCH BY AN ORGANIZATIONAL TYPE. 1949 01:25:23,068 --> 01:25:24,970 AND AS AN HBCU, 1950 01:25:24,970 --> 01:25:27,372 I SAID ONE THING THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE 1951 01:25:27,372 --> 01:25:30,309 AS A WAY TO SEARCH WOULD BE BY HBCU. 1952 01:25:30,309 --> 01:25:31,877 - THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, THANK YOU. 1953 01:25:31,877 --> 01:25:33,845 WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK. 1954 01:25:33,845 --> 01:25:35,580 AND WE DO HAVE CLASSIFICATIONS, 1955 01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:39,418 WE GET CLASSIFICATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. 1956 01:25:39,418 --> 01:25:41,753 SO, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, 1957 01:25:41,753 --> 01:25:43,488 ICME OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 1958 01:25:43,488 --> 01:25:45,257 SO WE DO HAVE THAT, 1959 01:25:45,257 --> 01:25:46,358 WE HAVE THAT IN OUR SYSTEM. 1960 01:25:46,358 --> 01:25:47,426 SO THAT'S SOMETHING, 1961 01:25:47,426 --> 01:25:50,262 THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, THANK YOU. 1962 01:25:50,262 --> 01:25:51,096 OTHER? 1963 01:25:53,565 --> 01:25:54,966 GREAT, THANK YOU. 1964 01:25:56,368 --> 01:25:59,438 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 1965 01:26:05,043 --> 01:26:06,445 - SO WE'RE RUNNING EARLY, 1966 01:26:06,445 --> 01:26:08,547 WHICH MEANS PEOPLE GET A LONGER BREAK 1967 01:26:08,547 --> 01:26:12,150 AND A LONGER TIME TO CHAT AMONGST OURSELVES 1968 01:26:13,318 --> 01:26:18,023 WITH SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS WE HAD IN THE FIRST SESSION. 1969 01:26:18,023 --> 01:26:20,525 SO IT IS NOW JUST AFTER 10:30, 1970 01:26:21,626 --> 01:26:25,130 LET'S COME BACK IN 20 MINUTES AT 10 TO 11. 1971 01:26:27,432 --> 01:26:29,101 EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT? 1972 01:26:29,101 --> 01:26:31,169 A REMINDER, THERE'S A CAFETERIA DOWNSTAIRS 1973 01:26:31,169 --> 01:26:32,003 WHERE YOU CAN GET COFFEE. 1974 01:26:32,003 --> 01:26:33,672 THERE'S ALSO A VENDING MACHINE HERE 1975 01:26:33,672 --> 01:26:36,475 IF YOU WANT A SODA OR SOMETHING. 1976 01:26:36,475 --> 01:26:37,309 THANKS. 1977 01:26:46,485 --> 01:26:48,720 (NO AUDIO) 1978 01:26:55,961 --> 01:26:57,396 HI, EVERYONE. 1979 01:26:57,396 --> 01:26:58,630 IT IS 10 TO 11, 1980 01:26:59,698 --> 01:27:02,934 AND I'M DOING MY JOB AS TIMEKEEPER, 1981 01:27:02,934 --> 01:27:04,669 SO I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYBODY A MINUTE 1982 01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:08,173 TO FINISH YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND SIT DOWN. 1983 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,208 FOLKS ON ZOOM, 1984 01:27:11,309 --> 01:27:12,310 FINISH YOUR EMAILS, 1985 01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:13,879 AND WE'LL BE READY. 1986 01:27:17,282 --> 01:27:19,684 OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LIZA BUNDESEN, 1987 01:27:19,684 --> 01:27:21,219 WHO IS THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR 1988 01:27:21,219 --> 01:27:23,054 OF THE OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH, 1989 01:27:23,054 --> 01:27:24,923 AND SHE'S GOING TO CONTINUE THE STORY 1990 01:27:24,923 --> 01:27:27,092 OF HOW GRANTS WORK AT NIH. 1991 01:27:28,193 --> 01:27:29,027 LIZA. 1992 01:27:30,128 --> 01:27:31,496 - THANK YOU, DORIT. 1993 01:27:31,496 --> 01:27:33,465 WELL, IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE IN PERSON 1994 01:27:33,465 --> 01:27:34,533 TO SEE ALL OF YOU TODAY. 1995 01:27:34,533 --> 01:27:36,034 I DO MOST OF MY TALKS ON ZOOM, 1996 01:27:36,034 --> 01:27:38,203 SO THIS IS REALLY A TREAT. 1997 01:27:39,070 --> 01:27:40,705 LET'S SEE, THERE WE GO. 1998 01:27:40,705 --> 01:27:42,641 YEAH, SO AS DORIT SAID, I'M LIZA BUNDESEN, 1999 01:27:42,641 --> 01:27:45,510 I'M MIKE LAUER'S DEPUTY, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER. 2000 01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:49,481 AND SO I'M GONNA CONTINUE THIS NEXT PHASE OF GRANTS 101. 2001 01:27:49,481 --> 01:27:53,018 I KNOW THAT IT MAY BE A REFRESHER FOR SOME OF YOU, 2002 01:27:53,018 --> 01:27:53,852 NEW TO OTHERS, 2003 01:27:53,852 --> 01:27:56,221 AND HOPEFULLY I CAN POINT YOU TO SOME HELPFUL RESOURCES 2004 01:27:56,221 --> 01:27:57,556 ALONG THE WAY. 2005 01:27:57,556 --> 01:27:59,758 SO YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM MIKE 2006 01:27:59,758 --> 01:28:03,028 ABOUT DIFFERENT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, 2007 01:28:03,028 --> 01:28:06,264 GRANT TYPES, DIFFERENT STAFF ROLES. 2008 01:28:06,264 --> 01:28:09,301 BUT WHAT I WILL DO IS DIG IN A LITTLE DEEPER 2009 01:28:09,301 --> 01:28:11,937 TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS 2010 01:28:11,937 --> 01:28:13,772 AND HOW LONG IT TAKES. 2011 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:16,608 SO JUST REORIENTING YOU 2012 01:28:16,608 --> 01:28:19,911 BACK TO THE NIH GRANTS.NIH.GOV HOMEPAGE, 2013 01:28:20,846 --> 01:28:23,982 WHERE YOU CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THE APPLICATION GUIDE, 2014 01:28:23,982 --> 01:28:26,985 EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO APPLY 2015 01:28:26,985 --> 01:28:29,721 AND SUBMIT AN APPLICATION. 2016 01:28:29,721 --> 01:28:32,491 MIKE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE NIH GUIDE. 2017 01:28:32,491 --> 01:28:35,327 THAT IS OUR MAIN PUBLICATION 2018 01:28:35,327 --> 01:28:37,529 FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES 2019 01:28:37,529 --> 01:28:39,264 AND GRANTS POLICY UPDATES 2020 01:28:39,264 --> 01:28:40,966 AND OTHER GENERAL INFO. 2021 01:28:40,966 --> 01:28:42,167 AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2022 01:28:42,167 --> 01:28:44,135 THE REPORT TOOLS THAT HE WALKED YOU THROUGH, 2023 01:28:44,135 --> 01:28:46,438 LIKE REPORTER AND MATCHMAKER, 2024 01:28:46,438 --> 01:28:51,009 THAT HAVE DECADES OF INFORMATION ABOUT GRANT AWARDS. 2025 01:28:51,009 --> 01:28:53,745 SO IF YOU ARE NEW TO NIH FUNDING, 2026 01:28:54,746 --> 01:28:56,314 ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS 2027 01:28:56,314 --> 01:29:00,752 THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS ORGANIZATIONAL REGISTRATIONS. 2028 01:29:00,752 --> 01:29:02,354 SO THERE ARE VARIOUS ORGANIZATIONS 2029 01:29:02,354 --> 01:29:04,122 THAT YOU HAVE TO REGISTER WITH. 2030 01:29:04,122 --> 01:29:06,057 THERE'S SAM.GOV, 2031 01:29:06,057 --> 01:29:08,727 OR THE SYSTEM OF AWARD MANAGEMENT. 2032 01:29:08,727 --> 01:29:13,007 THAT IS REQUIRED FOR DOING BUSINESS WITH ANY FEDERAL 2033 01:29:13,007 --> 01:29:13,665 AGENCY. 2034 01:29:13,665 --> 01:29:15,634 YOU HAVE GRANTS.GOV, 2035 01:29:15,634 --> 01:29:17,936 THAT IS THE FEDERAL PORTAL 2036 01:29:17,936 --> 01:29:21,640 FOR ALL FEDERAL GRANT-MAKING AGENCIES, 2037 01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:25,410 AND APPLICATIONS WILL FLOW THROUGH GRANTS.GOV 2038 01:29:26,678 --> 01:29:28,246 TO NIH ERA COMMONS. 2039 01:29:29,147 --> 01:29:31,383 SO THAT IS THE PORTAL 2040 01:29:31,383 --> 01:29:33,919 THROUGH WHICH WE HAVE SECURE COMMUNICATION 2041 01:29:33,919 --> 01:29:36,187 WITH APPLICANTS AND RECIPIENTS. 2042 01:29:36,187 --> 01:29:38,990 AND THIS PROBABLY DOESN'T APPLY TO FOLKS IN THIS ROOM, 2043 01:29:38,990 --> 01:29:41,459 BUT IF YOU WERE A SMALL BUSINESS 2044 01:29:41,459 --> 01:29:42,394 AND WANTED TO SUBMIT 2045 01:29:42,394 --> 01:29:45,363 FOR ONE OF OUR SMALL BUSINESS INNOVATION AWARDS, 2046 01:29:45,363 --> 01:29:47,732 YOU WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER WITH SBA. 2047 01:29:47,732 --> 01:29:50,869 SO THESE REGISTRATIONS TAKE ABOUT SIX WEEKS. 2048 01:29:50,869 --> 01:29:55,640 SO YOU WANNA START AND DO THAT EARLY IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. 2049 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,276 SO THEN BACK TO GRANTS.NIH.GOV, 2050 01:29:58,276 --> 01:30:01,446 WE HAVE THE GRANTS PROCESS OVERVIEW, 2051 01:30:01,446 --> 01:30:04,282 AND THAT WILL STEP YOU THROUGH EVERY SINGLE PHASE 2052 01:30:04,282 --> 01:30:06,751 OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS. 2053 01:30:06,751 --> 01:30:10,488 AND SO YOU CAN CLICK THROUGH EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT STAGES, 2054 01:30:10,488 --> 01:30:11,356 FROM THE BASICS, 2055 01:30:11,356 --> 01:30:13,658 APPLYING, RECEIPT AND REFERRAL 2056 01:30:13,658 --> 01:30:16,895 TO AWARD AND POST-AWARD MANAGEMENT. 2057 01:30:16,895 --> 01:30:18,697 AND IT'LL DRILL YOU DOWN. 2058 01:30:18,697 --> 01:30:23,802 SO I WILL JUST GO OVER SOME HIGH-LEVEL KEY POINTS HERE. 2059 01:30:23,802 --> 01:30:27,872 OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST PHASE IS TO PLAN YOUR APPLICATION. 2060 01:30:27,872 --> 01:30:30,709 WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO THIS AT LEAST SIX MONTHS 2061 01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:33,478 BEFORE THE APPLICATION DUE DATE. 2062 01:30:33,478 --> 01:30:37,449 YOU CANNOT DO THIS TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE SUBMISSION DEADLINE. 2063 01:30:37,449 --> 01:30:39,084 AGAIN, WORK WITH YOUR TEAM 2064 01:30:39,084 --> 01:30:41,019 TO REFINE YOUR RESEARCH IDEAS. 2065 01:30:41,019 --> 01:30:43,555 MIKE NOTED YOU CAN REACH OUT TO PROGRAM OFFICERS 2066 01:30:43,555 --> 01:30:46,925 TO DISCUSS IC FUNDING PRIORITIES 2067 01:30:46,925 --> 01:30:50,261 AND HOW YOUR IDEA WILL FIT WITHIN THAT. 2068 01:30:50,261 --> 01:30:51,096 AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2069 01:30:51,096 --> 01:30:53,331 BUILD YOUR TEAM AN INTERNAL PLAN. 2070 01:30:53,331 --> 01:30:56,835 SO, AGAIN, IT VARIES ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES 2071 01:30:56,835 --> 01:30:57,902 TO WRITE AN APPLICATION, 2072 01:30:57,902 --> 01:31:00,438 USUALLY SIX TO NINE MONTHS. 2073 01:31:00,438 --> 01:31:01,873 FOR FOLKS WHO ARE NEW, 2074 01:31:01,873 --> 01:31:05,944 WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHARE YOUR APPLICATION DRAFTS 2075 01:31:05,944 --> 01:31:08,246 WITH COLLEAGUES TO GET FEEDBACK 2076 01:31:08,246 --> 01:31:10,148 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, 2077 01:31:10,148 --> 01:31:13,685 THEY CAN OFFER OBVIOUSLY NEW PERSPECTIVES. 2078 01:31:13,685 --> 01:31:15,453 BUT WHEN YOU WRITE YOUR APPLICATION, 2079 01:31:15,453 --> 01:31:18,423 YOU SHOULD ALSO KEEP THE REVIEWERS IN MIND 2080 01:31:18,423 --> 01:31:22,727 THAT FOLKS MAY BE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN YOUR FIELD, 2081 01:31:22,727 --> 01:31:25,630 AND OTHERS MAY BE ONCE, TWICE, THRICE REMOVED. 2082 01:31:25,630 --> 01:31:27,565 SO YOU WANT YOUR APPLICATION IDEA 2083 01:31:27,565 --> 01:31:29,634 TO HAVE STRONG EXPERIMENTAL DESIGN 2084 01:31:29,634 --> 01:31:32,345 AND TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO SCIENTISTS 2085 01:31:32,345 --> 01:31:34,339 WHO ARE IN OTHER FIELDS. 2086 01:31:34,339 --> 01:31:36,941 OKAY, SO THE ORGANIZATION TEAM. 2087 01:31:36,941 --> 01:31:39,010 SO FIRST YOU NEED TO HAVE 2088 01:31:39,010 --> 01:31:43,248 AN AUTHORIZED ORGANIZATION REPRESENTATIVE, OR AOR. 2089 01:31:43,248 --> 01:31:44,315 THIS IS ALSO, 2090 01:31:44,315 --> 01:31:46,618 WE REFER TO THIS PERSON AS THE SIGNING OFFICIAL, 2091 01:31:46,618 --> 01:31:47,819 AN ERA. 2092 01:31:47,819 --> 01:31:52,991 THE AOR SUBMITS APPLICATIONS ON BEHALF OF YOUR INSTITUTION. 2093 01:31:52,991 --> 01:31:54,693 AGAIN, AS MIKE SAID EARLIER, 2094 01:31:54,693 --> 01:31:57,896 WE AWARD GRANTS TO INSTITUTIONS AND NOT INDIVIDUALS, 2095 01:31:57,896 --> 01:32:01,866 SO THE AOR IS OUR REPRESENTATIVE TO YOUR INSTITUTION. 2096 01:32:01,866 --> 01:32:03,101 AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2097 01:32:03,101 --> 01:32:06,404 YOUR PROJECT DIRECTORS AND PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS, 2098 01:32:06,404 --> 01:32:09,007 WE REFER TO THESE FOLKS AS PIS. 2099 01:32:09,007 --> 01:32:11,176 THEY WILL LEAD THE RESEARCH TEAM 2100 01:32:11,176 --> 01:32:16,181 AND OF COURSE OTHER SENIOR KEY PERSONNEL OR COLLABORATORS. 2101 01:32:16,848 --> 01:32:20,351 OKAY, SO WHEN YOU'RE PREPARING TO APPLY A COURSE, 2102 01:32:20,351 --> 01:32:22,721 COMPLETE THOSE REGISTRATIONS. 2103 01:32:22,721 --> 01:32:25,724 CONFIRM THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 2104 01:32:25,724 --> 01:32:26,958 AGAIN, AS MIKE SHARED, 2105 01:32:26,958 --> 01:32:31,563 YOU WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE NOFO. 2106 01:32:31,563 --> 01:32:34,999 AND IDENTIFY YOUR SUBMISSION METHOD. 2107 01:32:34,999 --> 01:32:37,435 SO THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS 2108 01:32:37,435 --> 01:32:40,371 THAT YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION. 2109 01:32:40,371 --> 01:32:42,741 WE HAVE A SYSTEM CALLED NIH ASSIST, 2110 01:32:42,741 --> 01:32:45,610 IT'S KIND OF LIKE TURBOTAX FOR GRANTS. 2111 01:32:45,610 --> 01:32:48,780 THERE'S ALSO THE GRANTS.GOV WORKSPACE. 2112 01:32:49,948 --> 01:32:52,717 AND THEN SOME INSTITUTIONS HAVE 2113 01:32:52,717 --> 01:32:54,586 WHAT ARE CALLED SYSTEM-TO-SYSTEM. 2114 01:32:54,586 --> 01:32:57,455 SO MAYBE YOU HAVE DEVELOPED YOUR OWN INSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM 2115 01:32:57,455 --> 01:33:00,625 THAT KNOWS HOW TO TALK TO GRANTS.GOV. 2116 01:33:00,625 --> 01:33:03,061 BUT YOU HAVE TO USE ONE OF THESE PORTALS, 2117 01:33:03,061 --> 01:33:06,364 YOU CAN'T JUST DOWNLOAD FORMS AND MAIL THEM IN, 2118 01:33:06,364 --> 01:33:08,366 YOU HAVE TO USE ONE OF THESE. 2119 01:33:08,366 --> 01:33:12,303 AND THEY ALL OPERATE BY THE SAME BUSINESS VALIDATION, 2120 01:33:12,303 --> 01:33:14,973 SO THEY WILL ASSEMBLE YOUR DIFFERENT APPLICATION PIECES 2121 01:33:14,973 --> 01:33:16,541 INTO ONE FILE. 2122 01:33:16,541 --> 01:33:17,675 SO WE CAN'T EVEN, 2123 01:33:17,675 --> 01:33:20,445 WHEN IT'S ASSIGNED TO AN E-APPLICATION, 2124 01:33:20,445 --> 01:33:23,248 WE CAN'T TELL WHERE IT ORIGINATED. 2125 01:33:24,182 --> 01:33:25,817 OKAY, SO, AGAIN, 2126 01:33:25,817 --> 01:33:27,385 WRITING YOUR APPLICATION. 2127 01:33:27,385 --> 01:33:28,586 YOU WANT THE STRONG PROPOSAL 2128 01:33:28,586 --> 01:33:30,221 THAT ADDRESSES THE REVIEW CRITERIA 2129 01:33:30,221 --> 01:33:32,190 THAT WILL SPEAK TO THE REVIEWERS. 2130 01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:33,892 AND I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH, 2131 01:33:33,892 --> 01:33:36,861 READ AND FOLLOW ALL OF THE INSTRUCTIONS, (CHUCKLES) 2132 01:33:36,861 --> 01:33:40,732 BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY IF YOU DO NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, 2133 01:33:40,732 --> 01:33:42,967 THAT CAN RESULT IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE WITHDRAWAL. 2134 01:33:42,967 --> 01:33:45,184 AND I KNOW THESE ARE VERY TIME-CONSUMING AND VERY 2135 01:33:45,184 --> 01:33:45,637 DETAILED, 2136 01:33:45,637 --> 01:33:47,572 TO READ THE INSTRUCTIONS 2137 01:33:47,572 --> 01:33:50,608 AND FOLLOW THEM AS CLOSELY AS YOU CAN. 2138 01:33:50,608 --> 01:33:52,177 SO THEN AGAIN ON OUR WEBSITE, 2139 01:33:52,177 --> 01:33:54,112 WE HAVE THE APPLICATION GUIDE 2140 01:33:54,112 --> 01:33:56,147 THAT WILL STEP YOU THROUGH EVERYTHING 2141 01:33:56,147 --> 01:33:58,183 THAT YOU NEED TO APPLY. 2142 01:33:58,183 --> 01:34:01,686 SO WE'VE GOT VIDEOS AND PODCASTS AND FAQS. 2143 01:34:03,121 --> 01:34:05,790 AND THERE'LL BE GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS, 2144 01:34:05,790 --> 01:34:08,059 SO YOU SEE, LIKE, THE G RIGHT THERE. 2145 01:34:08,059 --> 01:34:11,329 AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE MORE TAILORED INSTRUCTIONS 2146 01:34:11,329 --> 01:34:14,732 FOR THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF AWARD TYPES, 2147 01:34:14,732 --> 01:34:16,167 SO THE RESEARCH GRANTS, 2148 01:34:16,167 --> 01:34:18,670 THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT GRANTS. 2149 01:34:20,338 --> 01:34:23,274 OKAY, AND THEN ONCE YOU'VE REVIEWED 2150 01:34:23,274 --> 01:34:26,044 THE GENERAL APPLICATION INSTRUCTIONS, 2151 01:34:26,044 --> 01:34:28,246 YOU ALSO HAVE TO ATTEND VERY CLOSELY 2152 01:34:28,246 --> 01:34:31,149 TO WHAT IS IN THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 2153 01:34:31,149 --> 01:34:35,954 SO THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS 2154 01:34:35,954 --> 01:34:38,623 THAT AUGMENT THE GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS 2155 01:34:38,623 --> 01:34:40,291 IN THE APPLICATION GUIDE. 2156 01:34:40,291 --> 01:34:43,261 SO YOU SHOULD ALWAYS FOLLOW SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS 2157 01:34:43,261 --> 01:34:45,964 THAT ARE IN THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 2158 01:34:45,964 --> 01:34:48,867 AND THEN WE ALSO DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY 2159 01:34:48,867 --> 01:34:50,702 THE NIH GUIDE NOTICES. 2160 01:34:51,769 --> 01:34:56,741 SO NOFOS ARE USUALLY REISSUED ONCE EVERY THREE YEARS OR SO, 2161 01:34:57,141 --> 01:35:00,378 AND A LOT OF CHANGE CAN HAPPEN IN THREE YEARS TIME. 2162 01:35:00,378 --> 01:35:03,381 SO WE WILL ISSUE PERIODIC GUIDE NOTICES 2163 01:35:03,381 --> 01:35:05,650 AS A WAY TO INFORM THE COMMUNITY 2164 01:35:05,650 --> 01:35:08,586 OF ANY POLICY OR PROCEDURAL CHANGE. 2165 01:35:09,654 --> 01:35:12,991 AND SO THOSE GUIDE NOTICES MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION 2166 01:35:12,991 --> 01:35:14,692 THAT YOU NEED TO ATTEND TO. 2167 01:35:14,692 --> 01:35:17,395 SO ESSENTIALLY, APPLICATION GUIDE FIRST, 2168 01:35:17,395 --> 01:35:19,397 NOFO SECOND, GUIDE LAST. 2169 01:35:20,398 --> 01:35:24,068 AND THE GUIDE NOTICES SHOULD BE LINKED IN THE RELATIVE NOFO 2170 01:35:24,068 --> 01:35:25,370 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO, 2171 01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:28,039 YOU KNOW, CLICK AROUND TOO MUCH. 2172 01:35:29,007 --> 01:35:30,775 OKAY, SO JUST TO RECAP, 2173 01:35:30,775 --> 01:35:34,045 IDENTIFYING YOUR NOFO OR FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, 2174 01:35:34,045 --> 01:35:38,349 ACCESSING YOUR APPLICATION FORMS USING NIH ASSIST 2175 01:35:38,349 --> 01:35:40,351 OR GRANTS.GOV WORKSPACE, 2176 01:35:42,954 --> 01:35:45,390 AND FOLLOWING ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS. 2177 01:35:45,390 --> 01:35:48,259 TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PRE-VALIDATION SERVICES, 2178 01:35:48,259 --> 01:35:50,828 SO AGAIN, LIKE TURBOTAX, 2179 01:35:50,828 --> 01:35:53,932 THESE VARIOUS SYSTEMS WILL CHECK YOUR WORK 2180 01:35:53,932 --> 01:35:54,999 IF YOU TRY TO SUBMIT. 2181 01:35:54,999 --> 01:35:56,868 IF YOU DO NOT HAVE EVERYTHING THAT'S COMPLETE, 2182 01:35:56,868 --> 01:35:59,904 THEN IT WILL RESULT IN AN ERROR. 2183 01:35:59,904 --> 01:36:00,972 AND THEN, OF COURSE, 2184 01:36:00,972 --> 01:36:03,041 TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE INTERNAL SIGN-OFFS 2185 01:36:03,041 --> 01:36:06,945 AND WORKING WITH YOUR AOR TO DO THE SUBMISSION. 2186 01:36:08,379 --> 01:36:10,114 OKAY, SO SUBMIT EARLY. 2187 01:36:10,114 --> 01:36:14,452 WE SAY MEASURE EARLY ON A CALENDAR, NOT A CLOCK. 2188 01:36:14,452 --> 01:36:18,356 ALL APPLICATIONS ARE DUE 5:00 PM LOCAL TIME 2189 01:36:18,356 --> 01:36:20,158 AT THE INSTITUTION 2190 01:36:20,158 --> 01:36:24,329 BY THE DEADLINE THAT'S SPECIFIED IN THE NOFO. 2191 01:36:24,329 --> 01:36:28,566 YOU WANNA SUBMIT SEVERAL DAYS BEFORE THE DUE DATE. 2192 01:36:28,566 --> 01:36:31,202 THAT WAY, YOU WILL CATCH LITTLE ERRORS 2193 01:36:31,202 --> 01:36:34,839 AND YOU CAN CORRECT THEM IN TIME FOR THE SUBMISSION, 2194 01:36:34,839 --> 01:36:37,842 THERE CAN BE SOME UNFORESEEN ISSUES. 2195 01:36:40,845 --> 01:36:43,081 AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR APPLICATION? 2196 01:36:43,081 --> 01:36:47,685 SO FIRST, YOUR APPLICATION WILL FLOW THROUGH GRANTS.GOV 2197 01:36:48,786 --> 01:36:50,455 THROUGH ERA COMMONS. 2198 01:36:51,356 --> 01:36:52,690 AND IF EVERYTHING CHECKS OUT, 2199 01:36:52,690 --> 01:36:54,525 IF EVERYTHING IS VALIDATED, 2200 01:36:54,525 --> 01:36:58,062 THEN IT'LL BE ASSEMBLED INTO AN E-SUBMISSION. 2201 01:36:58,062 --> 01:37:00,331 AND ONCE THAT'S SUCCESSFULLY DONE, 2202 01:37:00,331 --> 01:37:04,302 IT WILL GO THROUGH THIS MULTI-TIER PROCESS, 2203 01:37:04,302 --> 01:37:05,670 WHICH I'LL TOUCH ON EACH OF THEM. 2204 01:37:05,670 --> 01:37:07,071 VERY HIGH-LEVEL. 2205 01:37:07,071 --> 01:37:08,573 SO RECEIPT AND REFERRAL, 2206 01:37:08,573 --> 01:37:09,907 THE TWO LEVELS OF PEER REVIEW, 2207 01:37:09,907 --> 01:37:11,809 WHICH I CAN TELL BY YOUR QUESTIONS EARLIER 2208 01:37:11,809 --> 01:37:13,745 YOU ALREADY KNOW A LOT ABOUT, 2209 01:37:13,745 --> 01:37:15,913 AND THE FUNDING DECISIONS. 2210 01:37:17,582 --> 01:37:20,151 SO ONCE THE APPLICATION IS RECEIVED, 2211 01:37:20,151 --> 01:37:22,620 IT GOES TO THE CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW'S 2212 01:37:22,620 --> 01:37:26,791 DIVISION OF RECEIPT AND REFERRAL, OR DRR. 2213 01:37:26,791 --> 01:37:29,927 THEY WILL DO ADDITIONAL COMPLIANCE CHECKS, 2214 01:37:29,927 --> 01:37:32,964 VALIDATIONS EVEN BEYOND WHAT ERA WILL DO. 2215 01:37:32,964 --> 01:37:36,567 AND THEY WILL ASSIGN AN APPLICATION NUMBER, 2216 01:37:36,567 --> 01:37:39,370 ONE OR MORE INSTITUTES OR CENTERS, 2217 01:37:39,370 --> 01:37:41,372 AND THEN A REVIEW PANEL. 2218 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,308 AND THIS INFORMATION, 2219 01:37:44,308 --> 01:37:46,644 THE REVIEW INFORMATION WILL BE IN ERA 2220 01:37:46,644 --> 01:37:48,346 WITHIN ABOUT TWO WEEKS. 2221 01:37:48,346 --> 01:37:51,082 SO YOU CAN LOG IN AND TRACK THAT. 2222 01:37:52,917 --> 01:37:56,621 AND THEN DR. BRUCE REED FROM CSR WILL BE HERE THIS AFTERNOON 2223 01:37:56,621 --> 01:37:58,189 TALKING ABOUT REVIEW IN DEPTH, 2224 01:37:58,189 --> 01:38:00,758 BUT JUST VERY HIGH-LEVEL. 2225 01:38:00,758 --> 01:38:03,227 PEER REVIEW IS A TWO-TIERED PROCESS. 2226 01:38:03,227 --> 01:38:04,829 WHEN YOUR APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED, 2227 01:38:04,829 --> 01:38:07,098 THE SRO, THE SCIENTIFIC REVIEW OFFICER, 2228 01:38:07,098 --> 01:38:09,834 IS YOUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONTACT. 2229 01:38:10,868 --> 01:38:15,206 SO THE SRO CAN ASSIST YOU IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 2230 01:38:15,206 --> 01:38:18,843 THE APPLICATION WILL GO TO STUDY SECTION 2231 01:38:18,843 --> 01:38:21,746 FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW BASED ON THE MERIT. 2232 01:38:21,746 --> 01:38:26,117 AND WITHIN ABOUT TWO TO THREE DAYS AFTER THE MEETING, 2233 01:38:26,117 --> 01:38:29,220 IT'LL BE ASSIGNED A PRIORITY SCORE. 2234 01:38:29,220 --> 01:38:30,788 AND THEN AFTER THAT, 2235 01:38:30,788 --> 01:38:32,723 THE SRO WORKS ON THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 2236 01:38:32,723 --> 01:38:35,393 WHICH IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD OF THE REVIEW MEETING. 2237 01:38:35,393 --> 01:38:39,664 AND THAT'S USUALLY AVAILABLE ABOUT ONE MONTH LATER. 2238 01:38:42,834 --> 01:38:45,236 OKAY, SO POST-REVIEW, 2239 01:38:45,236 --> 01:38:49,273 YOUR POINTS OF CONTACT SHIFT FROM THE SRO 2240 01:38:49,273 --> 01:38:53,111 TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER OR GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICER. 2241 01:38:53,111 --> 01:38:55,746 SO, AGAIN, AS MIKE SAID PREVIOUSLY, 2242 01:38:55,746 --> 01:39:00,251 THE PROGRAM OFFICER HANDLES THE PROGRAMMATIC OBVIOUSLY 2243 01:39:01,085 --> 01:39:03,621 AND THE SCIENTIFIC CONTENT, 2244 01:39:03,621 --> 01:39:05,490 WHEREAS THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICIAL 2245 01:39:05,490 --> 01:39:07,525 IS YOUR KEY POINT OF CONTACT 2246 01:39:07,525 --> 01:39:10,394 FOR THE FINANCIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE PIECES 2247 01:39:10,394 --> 01:39:11,896 OF AN APPLICATION. 2248 01:39:12,897 --> 01:39:16,567 SO THE PO IS ABLE TO HELP CLARIFY ANY POINTS 2249 01:39:18,402 --> 01:39:19,871 THAT MAY BE IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT 2250 01:39:19,871 --> 01:39:21,572 THAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. 2251 01:39:21,572 --> 01:39:24,375 BUT AGAIN, THE SUMMARY STATEMENT IS THE OFFICIAL RECORD, 2252 01:39:24,375 --> 01:39:26,944 SO THEY CAN'T SHARE ANY OTHER INFORMATION 2253 01:39:26,944 --> 01:39:30,181 BEYOND WHAT'S IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT. 2254 01:39:31,048 --> 01:39:32,483 AND THEN AT THIS STAGE, 2255 01:39:32,483 --> 01:39:36,821 IF YOUR APPLICATION IS IN A COMPETITIVE RANGE, 2256 01:39:36,821 --> 01:39:40,591 YOU MAY BE ASKED FOR JUST-IN-TIME INFORMATION. 2257 01:39:40,591 --> 01:39:43,094 SO THIS IS MORE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION 2258 01:39:43,094 --> 01:39:45,429 ON ISSUES LIKE OTHER SUPPORT 2259 01:39:46,697 --> 01:39:48,933 OR HUMAN SUBJECTS INFORMATION, 2260 01:39:48,933 --> 01:39:51,035 ANIMAL WELFARE INFORMATION. 2261 01:39:51,035 --> 01:39:54,872 AND JUST-IN-TIME IS NOT AN INDICATOR OF AWARD, 2262 01:39:56,874 --> 01:39:59,544 BUT IT WILL BE NEEDED TO PROCESS 2263 01:40:00,645 --> 01:40:04,248 IF THE APPLICATION IS SELECTED FOR FUNDING. 2264 01:40:06,884 --> 01:40:09,620 OKAY, AND THEN PRE-AWARD. 2265 01:40:09,620 --> 01:40:13,024 SO, AGAIN, MENTIONED THAT COUNCIL 2266 01:40:13,024 --> 01:40:15,927 IS THE SECOND LEVEL OF PEER REVIEW. 2267 01:40:17,061 --> 01:40:20,898 COUNCIL IS CHAIRED BY THE IC DIRECTOR. 2268 01:40:20,898 --> 01:40:23,434 THEY MAKE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS, 2269 01:40:23,434 --> 01:40:25,002 NOT FUNDING DECISIONS. 2270 01:40:25,002 --> 01:40:26,904 THE FUNDING RECOMMENDATIONS. 2271 01:40:26,904 --> 01:40:30,241 AND THE ULTIMATE DECISION-MAKING POWER LIES 2272 01:40:30,241 --> 01:40:32,577 WITH THE INSTITUTE DIRECTOR. 2273 01:40:33,711 --> 01:40:36,414 SO AFTER APPLICATION SUBMISSION, 2274 01:40:36,414 --> 01:40:38,549 IT CAN TAKE UP TO NINE MONTHS 2275 01:40:38,549 --> 01:40:40,918 FOR AN AWARD TO BE MADE. 2276 01:40:40,918 --> 01:40:42,887 SO YOU DO YOUR BEST, 2277 01:40:42,887 --> 01:40:45,723 YOU WORK WITH YOUR STAFF CONTACTS, 2278 01:40:46,691 --> 01:40:49,660 AND IF YOU RECEIVE AN AWARD, OUTSTANDING, 2279 01:40:49,660 --> 01:40:53,464 BUT PERSISTENCE IS NECESSARY WITH NIH. 2280 01:40:53,464 --> 01:40:54,899 SO, NOTICE OF AWARD. 2281 01:40:54,899 --> 01:40:57,168 SO IF YOU ARE SELECTED, 2282 01:40:57,168 --> 01:40:59,570 IF YOUR APPLICATION IS SELECTED FOR FUNDING, 2283 01:40:59,570 --> 01:41:02,406 YOU'LL RECEIVE AN NOA, OR NOTICE OF AWARD. 2284 01:41:02,406 --> 01:41:05,876 THIS IS A LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT. 2285 01:41:05,876 --> 01:41:08,212 IT HAS PAYMENT INFORMATION 2286 01:41:08,212 --> 01:41:10,982 AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE AWARD. 2287 01:41:10,982 --> 01:41:13,484 SO ONCE YOU DRAW DOWN FUNDING, 2288 01:41:14,919 --> 01:41:16,887 THAT IS AN INDICATOR 2289 01:41:16,887 --> 01:41:20,491 THAT YOU ACCEPT THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. 2290 01:41:24,262 --> 01:41:27,131 SO THE NIH GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT, 2291 01:41:27,131 --> 01:41:31,636 THIS IS THE PRIMARY TERM AND CONDITION OF EVERY AWARD. 2292 01:41:32,670 --> 01:41:36,707 IT HAS EXPLAINED ALL OF THE LAWS, RULES, 2293 01:41:36,707 --> 01:41:41,579 REGULATIONS BY WHICH YOU OR YOUR ORGANIZATION MUST ABIDE, 2294 01:41:41,579 --> 01:41:43,214 OUR EXPECTATION OF YOU 2295 01:41:43,214 --> 01:41:46,150 TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF NIH FUNDING. 2296 01:41:47,051 --> 01:41:48,953 IT'S UPDATED ONCE A YEAR. 2297 01:41:48,953 --> 01:41:51,322 I MENTIONED THOSE GUIDE NOTICES 2298 01:41:51,322 --> 01:41:53,658 THAT WE ISSUE PERIODICALLY. 2299 01:41:53,658 --> 01:41:55,259 AT THE END OF THE YEAR, 2300 01:41:55,259 --> 01:41:56,594 ALL OF THOSE GUIDE NOTICES 2301 01:41:56,594 --> 01:41:58,929 THAT YOU'VE SEEN THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE YEAR 2302 01:41:58,929 --> 01:42:00,097 ARE THEN ROLLED UP 2303 01:42:00,097 --> 01:42:02,800 AND USED TO UPDATE THE GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT. 2304 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,603 SO THIS IS A 427-PAGE DOCUMENT. 2305 01:42:05,603 --> 01:42:06,871 (CHUCKLES) IT'S QUITE A LOT, 2306 01:42:06,871 --> 01:42:08,873 BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 2307 01:42:11,008 --> 01:42:13,511 AND THEN POST-AWARD MONITORING. 2308 01:42:13,511 --> 01:42:15,112 SO MICHELLE BULLS, 2309 01:42:15,112 --> 01:42:18,949 WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF POLICY 2310 01:42:18,949 --> 01:42:20,718 FOR EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH ADMINISTRATION, 2311 01:42:20,718 --> 01:42:23,287 WILL TALK WITH YOU LATER TODAY. 2312 01:42:25,056 --> 01:42:26,757 AND SHE'LL GO INTO THIS IN MORE DEPTH, 2313 01:42:26,757 --> 01:42:31,128 BUT THE RESEARCH ORGANIZATION MANAGES THE DAY-TO-DAY 2314 01:42:31,128 --> 01:42:32,396 OF THE AWARDS. 2315 01:42:32,396 --> 01:42:36,801 BUT NIH OVERSEES THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING 2316 01:42:36,801 --> 01:42:40,304 THROUGH ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORTS, OR RPPRS. 2317 01:42:41,572 --> 01:42:46,544 IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING WITH REGARD TO A PROJECT, 2318 01:42:46,911 --> 01:42:49,246 YOU HAVE TO CONTACT US FIRST. 2319 01:42:49,246 --> 01:42:51,482 SO THIS IS PRIOR APPROVAL. 2320 01:42:51,482 --> 01:42:54,318 SO A PRIOR APPROVAL REQUEST WILL BE, 2321 01:42:54,318 --> 01:42:55,653 SAY, IF YOU WANT TO 2322 01:42:55,653 --> 01:42:59,090 OR YOU NEED TO CHANGE A PI ON A GRANT 2323 01:42:59,090 --> 01:43:00,091 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, 2324 01:43:00,091 --> 01:43:01,692 SO YOU NEED TO SEEK OUR APPROVAL 2325 01:43:01,692 --> 01:43:04,095 BEFORE THAT CAN BE COMPLETED. 2326 01:43:04,995 --> 01:43:07,832 AND THEN WE MAY DO PERIODIC AUDITS 2327 01:43:09,567 --> 01:43:12,403 OF PROGRAMS OR INSTITUTIONS 2328 01:43:12,403 --> 01:43:16,374 AND THEN EITHER PERIODIC ROUTINE SITE VISITS 2329 01:43:16,374 --> 01:43:19,076 OR FOR-CAUSE SITE VISITS IF WE HAVE CONCERNS 2330 01:43:19,076 --> 01:43:22,947 ABOUT AN INSTITUTION'S COMPLIANCE WITH AN AWARD. 2331 01:43:22,947 --> 01:43:25,249 BUT OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS, 2332 01:43:25,249 --> 01:43:26,317 IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, 2333 01:43:26,317 --> 01:43:28,519 TO BRING AN INSTITUTION BACK INTO COMPLIANCE, 2334 01:43:28,519 --> 01:43:31,522 'CAUSE WE ARE, EXCUSE ME, ALLERGIES, 2335 01:43:33,324 --> 01:43:37,328 WE CONSIDER OURSELVES PARTNERS IN THIS RESEARCH. 2336 01:43:39,964 --> 01:43:41,866 OKAY, AND SO, 2337 01:43:41,866 --> 01:43:45,336 ONCE AGAIN, WE'VE GOT RESOURCES THAT MIKE SHARED. 2338 01:43:45,336 --> 01:43:47,171 I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, 2339 01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:51,776 AGAIN, BE PERSISTENT, BE PATIENT. 2340 01:43:51,776 --> 01:43:54,812 OUR PROCESS IS VERY DETAILED, 2341 01:43:54,812 --> 01:43:55,780 AND WOULD SUGGEST 2342 01:43:55,780 --> 01:43:58,382 THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE PRIOR FUNDING WITH NIH, 2343 01:43:58,382 --> 01:44:01,652 TO REACH TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO 2344 01:44:02,753 --> 01:44:04,355 AND GET ADVICE. 2345 01:44:04,355 --> 01:44:05,356 WE ALSO KNOW 2346 01:44:06,323 --> 01:44:09,026 THAT THERE ARE SOME WONDERFUL PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES 2347 01:44:09,026 --> 01:44:10,861 LIKE APLU, FASAB, AAMC 2348 01:44:13,397 --> 01:44:16,567 THAT WILL OFFER RESOURCES AND GUIDANCE 2349 01:44:16,567 --> 01:44:20,504 AND NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INSTITUTIONS. 2350 01:44:20,504 --> 01:44:23,441 WE HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE A NUMBER OF GREAT RESOURCES, 2351 01:44:23,441 --> 01:44:27,711 SO JUST LAST WEEK WE DID A 90-MINUTE WEBINAR 2352 01:44:27,711 --> 01:44:29,914 ON THE GRANTS OVERVIEW PROCESS, 2353 01:44:29,914 --> 01:44:33,350 SO THAT WILL BE POSTED PROBABLY AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, 2354 01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:35,486 SO YOU CAN CHECK THAT OUT. 2355 01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:40,691 AND THEN USUALLY EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR, 2356 01:44:40,691 --> 01:44:44,195 WE HOST SOMETHING CALLED THE NIH VIRTUAL GRANTS CONFERENCE. 2357 01:44:44,195 --> 01:44:47,164 WE USED TO DO THIS IN PERSON, 2358 01:44:47,164 --> 01:44:51,335 AND WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 500 TO 700 ATTENDEES. 2359 01:44:51,335 --> 01:44:52,937 AND WE WOULD DO IT TWICE A YEAR, YOU KNOW, 2360 01:44:52,937 --> 01:44:56,240 IN BALTIMORE OR SOMEWHERE IN THE WEST COAST, 2361 01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:58,042 AND THEN THE PANDEMIC HITS, 2362 01:44:58,042 --> 01:45:00,344 AND SO IT REQUIRED US TO GO VIRTUAL. 2363 01:45:00,344 --> 01:45:02,713 SO WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A FEW YEARS, 2364 01:45:02,713 --> 01:45:07,117 AND NOW WE HAVE USUALLY ABOUT 25,000 REGISTRANTS 2365 01:45:07,117 --> 01:45:10,354 IN EVERY STATE AND A HUNDRED COUNTRIES. 2366 01:45:10,354 --> 01:45:14,158 SO OUR NEXT CONFERENCE WILL BE NEXT YEAR. 2367 01:45:14,158 --> 01:45:18,729 BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE POST ALL OF THE DETAILED WEBINARS, 2368 01:45:19,930 --> 01:45:23,701 THE POWERPOINTS, AND THE TRANSCRIPTS ONLINE 2369 01:45:23,701 --> 01:45:25,202 SO THAT YOU CAN VIEW THEM, 2370 01:45:25,202 --> 01:45:26,937 YOU KNOW, IN BITE-SIZED CHUNKS 2371 01:45:26,937 --> 01:45:30,107 AND DRILL DOWN INTO MORE DETAIL. 2372 01:45:30,107 --> 01:45:31,842 SO WITH THAT, 2373 01:45:31,842 --> 01:45:33,777 THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION, 2374 01:45:33,777 --> 01:45:36,847 AND PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 2375 01:45:36,847 --> 01:45:40,417 - QUESTIONS. (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 2376 01:45:40,417 --> 01:45:41,418 AND BEFORE THE QUESTIONS, 2377 01:45:41,418 --> 01:45:44,054 I JUST WANNA SAY PERSONALLY 2378 01:45:44,054 --> 01:45:47,758 THAT I TRIED TO PERSUADE US TO GO VIRTUAL 2379 01:45:47,758 --> 01:45:49,760 WITH THAT CONFERENCE IN 2007, 2380 01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,762 SO I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT HAPPENED. 2381 01:45:51,762 --> 01:45:53,163 - YES, IT'S REALLY AMAZING 2382 01:45:53,163 --> 01:45:55,533 THAT WE HAVE SUCH HUGE ATTENDANCE 2383 01:45:55,533 --> 01:45:56,734 IN SO MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, 2384 01:45:56,734 --> 01:45:59,303 AND WE'VE HEARD FROM SURVEYS 2385 01:45:59,303 --> 01:46:01,772 THAT PEOPLE CAN ATTEND 2386 01:46:01,772 --> 01:46:03,607 WHO NEVER WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO IN PERSON, 2387 01:46:03,607 --> 01:46:04,942 SO WE'RE THRILLED. 2388 01:46:04,942 --> 01:46:05,910 - [DORIT] SO, 2389 01:46:05,910 --> 01:46:07,545 YOU GUYS SHOULD ATTEND TOO. - YOU, SIR? (CHUCKLES) 2390 01:46:07,545 --> 01:46:08,512 - [DORIT] OKAY. 2391 01:46:08,512 --> 01:46:09,713 - OKAY, SO REALLY QUICKLY, 2392 01:46:09,713 --> 01:46:11,148 I'M GLAD DR. PEREZ IS STILL HERE, 2393 01:46:11,148 --> 01:46:12,716 I RAN INTO THIS ISSUE. 2394 01:46:12,716 --> 01:46:16,387 I AM CURIOUS ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN, 2395 01:46:16,387 --> 01:46:19,557 SAY, ASSIST, THE SROS, THE INSTITUTES. 2396 01:46:20,724 --> 01:46:23,227 INSTITUTIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CHALLENGES. 2397 01:46:23,227 --> 01:46:24,061 THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS 2398 01:46:24,061 --> 01:46:26,463 IS BECAUSE IT WAS A GRANT SUBMITTED TO RCMI. 2399 01:46:26,463 --> 01:46:27,932 AND THEY HAVE CORES, 2400 01:46:27,932 --> 01:46:29,767 AND SOME OF THOSE CORES ARE OPTIONAL. 2401 01:46:29,767 --> 01:46:32,536 BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS YOU COULD NOT SUBMIT THE GRANT 2402 01:46:32,536 --> 01:46:35,439 UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY PUT SOMETHING 2403 01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:38,275 IN THE OPTIONAL CATEGORY. 2404 01:46:38,275 --> 01:46:39,877 - OKAY. - SO THEN WHAT HAPPENS 2405 01:46:39,877 --> 01:46:43,614 IS THAT YOU DUPLICATE ANOTHER CORE. 2406 01:46:43,614 --> 01:46:46,917 AND SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DUPLICATION 2407 01:46:46,917 --> 01:46:48,218 AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION. 2408 01:46:48,218 --> 01:46:49,486 THE REVIEWERS DIDN'T GET THAT, 2409 01:46:49,486 --> 01:46:52,590 AND THEY WRITE THAT AS A PART OF THE SUMMARY STATEMENT. 2410 01:46:52,590 --> 01:46:54,692 AND IT LOOKED VERY NEGATIVE, 2411 01:46:54,692 --> 01:46:57,361 AS IF YOU HAVE NOT EVALUATED US, 2412 01:46:58,896 --> 01:47:01,799 OR THAT YOU HAD NOT PUT TOGETHER A GOOD APPLICATION 2413 01:47:01,799 --> 01:47:03,567 BECAUSE YOU'VE DUPLICATED CORES, 2414 01:47:03,567 --> 01:47:04,935 BUT THE ONLY REASON IT WAS DUPLICATED, 2415 01:47:04,935 --> 01:47:07,004 BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT SUBMIT THE GRANT. 2416 01:47:07,004 --> 01:47:10,608 AND THIS WAS AFTER HAVING CONVERSATIONS 2417 01:47:10,608 --> 01:47:11,875 WITH THE PROGRAM OFFICERS 2418 01:47:11,875 --> 01:47:13,577 ABOUT WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU RUN INTO AN ISSUE, 2419 01:47:13,577 --> 01:47:15,245 I CAN'T SUBMIT. SO YOU REACH OUT, AND THEY SAY, 2420 01:47:15,245 --> 01:47:17,481 "WELL, ADD A DUPLICATE." 2421 01:47:17,481 --> 01:47:19,650 - HMM. - TO PUT IT INTO, 2422 01:47:19,650 --> 01:47:22,219 YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN SUBMIT IT. AND SO THEN YOU DO THAT, 2423 01:47:22,219 --> 01:47:23,821 GET A SUMMARY STATEMENT BACK FROM THE REVIEWERS, 2424 01:47:23,821 --> 01:47:25,456 AND THIS IS THE COMMENT. 2425 01:47:25,456 --> 01:47:27,440 AND I DO KNOW THAT ALL INSTITUTIONS HAVE THEIR 2426 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:27,958 CHALLENGES, 2427 01:47:27,958 --> 01:47:32,096 BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROCESSES OF THE SUBMISSION, 2428 01:47:32,096 --> 01:47:35,833 YOU KNOW, ALL THESE DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS. 2429 01:47:35,833 --> 01:47:38,702 HOW ARE THEY COMMUNICATING BETWEEN THE SROS 2430 01:47:38,702 --> 01:47:40,604 AND THE REVIEWERS THAT THIS HAD TO BE DONE 2431 01:47:40,604 --> 01:47:43,073 FOR THIS PARTICULAR ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THIS SUBMISSION 2432 01:47:43,073 --> 01:47:45,009 BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T SUBMIT IT OTHERWISE 2433 01:47:45,009 --> 01:47:46,610 UNLESS YOU DUPLICATE IT? 2434 01:47:46,610 --> 01:47:48,946 - OKAY, WOW. - AND AN OPTIONAL CORE, 2435 01:47:48,946 --> 01:47:50,514 AND THAT WAS A CHALLENGE. 2436 01:47:50,514 --> 01:47:53,584 I THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE WORKED OUT 2437 01:47:53,584 --> 01:47:57,021 ON THE SOFTWARE SIDE OF THE SUBMISSION PROCESS. 2438 01:47:57,021 --> 01:47:58,789 BUT FROM A REVIEWER STANDPOINT, 2439 01:47:58,789 --> 01:48:01,191 IT LOOKS BAD, BECAUSE IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, 2440 01:48:01,191 --> 01:48:02,326 I'M SAYING, WELL, 2441 01:48:02,326 --> 01:48:04,328 THE INVESTIGATORS DIDN'T EVEN TAKE TIME ENOUGH 2442 01:48:04,328 --> 01:48:05,829 TO REVIEW WHAT THEY'VE DONE 2443 01:48:05,829 --> 01:48:08,899 AND THEY PUT IN DUPLICATE COMPONENTS. 2444 01:48:10,134 --> 01:48:13,203 YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALREADY STARTING OFF WITH A BIAS 2445 01:48:13,203 --> 01:48:16,006 BECAUSE THIS HAS KIND OF COME UP, YOU KNOW, EARLIER. 2446 01:48:16,006 --> 01:48:19,209 BUT THE BIAS WAS CREATED BY THE SYSTEM THAT WAS INEFFICIENT. 2447 01:48:19,209 --> 01:48:20,044 - OKAY, THANK YOU, 2448 01:48:20,044 --> 01:48:21,845 I'VE NOT HEARD OF THAT ISSUE BEFORE, 2449 01:48:21,845 --> 01:48:25,482 BUT WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR SYSTEMS, 2450 01:48:25,482 --> 01:48:27,751 AND WE DO THAT BY HEARING FROM YOU, 2451 01:48:27,751 --> 01:48:28,752 FROM THE USERS. 2452 01:48:28,752 --> 01:48:32,823 SO I'LL TAKE THAT BACK TO OUR COLLEAGUES IN ERA 2453 01:48:32,823 --> 01:48:37,261 AND SEE IF THEY'VE HEARD OF THAT AND WHAT WE CAN DO. 2454 01:48:37,261 --> 01:48:38,929 SO, THANK YOU. 2455 01:48:38,929 --> 01:48:39,763 YES, SIR. 2456 01:48:39,763 --> 01:48:41,665 - [ATTENDEE] IRB. 2457 01:48:41,665 --> 01:48:43,333 IF YOU HAVE IRB. - YOU NEED A MICROPHONE. 2458 01:48:43,333 --> 01:48:44,334 - I'M SORRY. 2459 01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:49,940 - [ATTENDEE] YES, IRBS. 2460 01:48:49,940 --> 01:48:52,042 LET'S SAY YOU HAVE AN IRB IN PROGRESS 2461 01:48:52,042 --> 01:48:53,977 DURING THE APPLICATION. 2462 01:48:54,812 --> 01:48:56,213 HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT? 2463 01:48:56,213 --> 01:48:58,449 - I'M SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT? - IRB. 2464 01:48:58,449 --> 01:49:00,284 - ABOUT THE IRB? - IF YOU HAVE AN IRB 2465 01:49:00,284 --> 01:49:04,354 IN PROCESS DURING YOUR APPLICATION PERIOD, RIGHT? 2466 01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:07,191 HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE THAT? 2467 01:49:07,191 --> 01:49:09,593 - SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PROGRAM OFFICER 2468 01:49:09,593 --> 01:49:10,761 WOULD BE ABLE TO ASSIST YOU WITH. 2469 01:49:10,761 --> 01:49:15,065 I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THE IRB FOR THAT. 2470 01:49:15,065 --> 01:49:18,802 DOES ANY OF MY IC COLLEAGUES WANNA GRAB THAT? 2471 01:49:19,937 --> 01:49:22,506 - SURE, SO FOR THE IRB PROCESS, 2472 01:49:23,807 --> 01:49:26,276 THIS IS A JUST-IN-TIME REQUIREMENT. 2473 01:49:26,276 --> 01:49:28,645 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT APPROVAL 2474 01:49:28,645 --> 01:49:30,180 TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, 2475 01:49:30,180 --> 01:49:33,951 BUT YOU DO NEED TO HAVE IT PRIOR TO THE AWARD, 2476 01:49:33,951 --> 01:49:38,388 OR ELSE THE AWARD WILL NEED TO BE RESTRICTED. 2477 01:49:38,388 --> 01:49:40,023 IF THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE AN AWARD AT ALL, 2478 01:49:40,023 --> 01:49:42,059 IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RESTRICTED. 2479 01:49:42,059 --> 01:49:46,296 SO YES, THAT'S A JUST-IN-TIME REQUIREMENT. 2480 01:49:46,296 --> 01:49:47,297 - THANK YOU. 2481 01:49:49,333 --> 01:49:51,001 OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? 2482 01:49:51,001 --> 01:49:53,504 - [DORIT] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 2483 01:49:54,371 --> 01:49:55,205 - WE'RE JUST FLYING 2484 01:49:55,205 --> 01:49:56,406 THROUGH THE GRANTS PIECE. - I KNOW. 2485 01:49:56,406 --> 01:50:00,077 - 'CAUSE YOU ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING, SO. 2486 01:50:00,077 --> 01:50:01,111 - OKAY. - ALL RIGHT. 2487 01:50:01,111 --> 01:50:03,013 - [DORIT] YES, MELISSA. 2488 01:50:04,648 --> 01:50:07,618 - [MELISSA] SO, I REMEMBER READING A WHILE AGO, 2489 01:50:07,618 --> 01:50:10,187 SO WITH OUR CURRENT AND PENDING RIGHT NOW 2490 01:50:10,187 --> 01:50:13,757 THAT REQUIRES THE VERIFIED ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE, 2491 01:50:13,757 --> 01:50:15,325 AND THERE WAS TALK THAT THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN 2492 01:50:15,325 --> 01:50:16,460 WITH THE BIOSKETCH TOO, 2493 01:50:16,460 --> 01:50:19,429 IS THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? 2494 01:50:19,429 --> 01:50:23,333 - MM, I DON'T KNOW. (CHUCKLES) 2495 01:50:26,370 --> 01:50:27,538 GOOD QUESTION. 2496 01:50:27,538 --> 01:50:29,273 ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 2497 01:50:36,713 --> 01:50:39,483 - THANKS VERY MUCH, LIZA. 2498 01:50:39,483 --> 01:50:42,486 AND THAT MEANS WE'RE AT LUNCH BREAK. 2499 01:50:43,353 --> 01:50:44,855 AND IT'S ONLY 11:15, 2500 01:50:44,855 --> 01:50:48,992 SO LET'S TAKE A NICE, LONG LUNCH TILL 12:30. 2501 01:50:48,992 --> 01:50:52,162 I WILL SAY THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM NIH. 2502 01:50:52,162 --> 01:50:55,098 AFTER LUNCH, WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING FROM PIS 2503 01:50:55,098 --> 01:50:58,068 FROM A BUNCH OF INSTITUTIONS JUST LIKE YOURS 2504 01:50:58,068 --> 01:51:00,704 ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE APPLYING 2505 01:51:00,704 --> 01:51:02,806 AND RECEIVING FUNDING FROM NIH, 2506 01:51:02,806 --> 01:51:05,409 SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY INTERESTING SESSION, 2507 01:51:05,409 --> 01:51:07,544 AND I HOPE YOU'LL ASK THEM LOTS OF QUESTIONS. 2508 01:51:07,544 --> 01:51:10,380 SO WE'LL SEE YOU ALL BACK HERE AT 12:30. 2509 01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:11,215 THANK YOU. 2510 01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:22,626 (NO AUDIO) 2511 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:32,636 (NO AUDIO) 2512 01:51:38,108 --> 01:51:39,376 - WOW, SO, 2513 01:51:39,376 --> 01:51:40,944 HELLO, EVERYBODY. 2514 01:51:40,944 --> 01:51:45,449 FIRST OF ALL, I'M MARVELING AT DORIT'S DIRECTIONS. 2515 01:51:45,449 --> 01:51:47,618 YOU SAID BE IN YOUR SEATS AT 12:30, 2516 01:51:47,618 --> 01:51:49,253 EVERYBODY WAS IN THEIR SEATS AT 12:30. 2517 01:51:49,253 --> 01:51:51,755 SO, (CHUCKLES) THANK YOU EVERYBODY 2518 01:51:51,755 --> 01:51:53,957 FOR BEING HERE TODAY, 2519 01:51:53,957 --> 01:51:57,394 AND HOPE EVERYBODY'S HAD A GREAT MORNING. 2520 01:51:58,295 --> 01:52:00,631 THE AFTERNOON SESSION POST-LUNCH, 2521 01:52:00,631 --> 01:52:03,800 WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SWITCHING GEARS A LITTLE BIT. 2522 01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:05,135 FIRST OF ALL, I'M JEAN SHIN, 2523 01:52:05,135 --> 01:52:07,204 I AM DEPUTY DIRECTOR 2524 01:52:07,204 --> 01:52:10,107 IN THE CHIEF OFFICER FOR SCIENTIFIC WORKFORCE DIVERSITY, 2525 01:52:10,107 --> 01:52:11,041 OR COSWD OFFICE, 2526 01:52:11,041 --> 01:52:13,911 SO BASICALLY MARIE BERNARD'S DEPUTY. 2527 01:52:13,911 --> 01:52:17,748 AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO BE MODERATING THIS NEXT SESSION, 2528 01:52:17,748 --> 01:52:18,582 WHICH IS TITLED 2529 01:52:18,582 --> 01:52:22,185 OUR EXPERIENCE APPLYING FOR AND OBTAINING NIH SUPPORT - 2530 01:52:22,185 --> 01:52:24,588 LESSONS LEARNED FROM SUCCESSFUL GRANTEES. 2531 01:52:24,588 --> 01:52:26,390 AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE TITLE, 2532 01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:28,692 THIS IS A SESSION, 2533 01:52:28,692 --> 01:52:31,094 REALLY A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR PEERS. 2534 01:52:31,094 --> 01:52:33,664 PEERS THAT ARE FACULTY MEMBERS AND ADMINISTRATORS 2535 01:52:33,664 --> 01:52:36,700 AT THEIR RESPECTIVE INSTITUTIONS. 2536 01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:39,436 SO WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT TODAY. 2537 01:52:39,436 --> 01:52:41,605 THERE ARE NO SLIDES BEING PRESENTED. 2538 01:52:41,605 --> 01:52:44,241 THIS IS A PURE CONVERSATION. 2539 01:52:44,241 --> 01:52:47,644 YOU'RE GONNA HEAR SOME REMARKS FROM EACH OF OUR PANELISTS, 2540 01:52:47,644 --> 01:52:49,713 AND THEN IT'LL BE A Q&A, 2541 01:52:49,713 --> 01:52:52,182 REALLY HOPEFULLY FOR ALL OF YOU TO ENGAGE 2542 01:52:52,182 --> 01:52:54,718 WITH ONE OR ALL OF THE PANEL. 2543 01:52:54,718 --> 01:52:57,621 SO JUST, I'LL LET THEM INTRODUCE THEMSELVES 2544 01:52:57,621 --> 01:52:59,056 AS THEY START SPEAKING, 2545 01:52:59,056 --> 01:53:01,291 BUT WE HAVE DR. TSENG, DR. ZADEGAN, 2546 01:53:01,291 --> 01:53:04,328 DR. HARRINGTON, DR. ADAMS-CAMPBELL, 2547 01:53:04,328 --> 01:53:05,495 IN THAT ORDER. 2548 01:53:05,495 --> 01:53:07,497 AND YOU CAN SEE THEIR AFFILIATIONS 2549 01:53:07,497 --> 01:53:09,333 AS WELL AS THEIR PHOTOS ON SCREEN. 2550 01:53:09,333 --> 01:53:11,168 SO WITH NO FURTHER ADO, 2551 01:53:11,168 --> 01:53:14,171 I'LL TURN THINGS OVER TO DR. TSENG TO START. 2552 01:53:14,171 --> 01:53:15,272 - [KELLY] HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 2553 01:53:15,272 --> 01:53:16,239 SHOULD I TURN ON MY MIC? 2554 01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:17,407 - YES, PLEASE. 2555 01:53:18,642 --> 01:53:19,609 - HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 2556 01:53:19,609 --> 01:53:20,444 I'M KELLY TSENG, 2557 01:53:20,444 --> 01:53:21,611 I'M AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR 2558 01:53:21,611 --> 01:53:23,847 AT UNIVERSITY OF NEVADA, LAS VEGAS. 2559 01:53:23,847 --> 01:53:26,817 SO IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY. 2560 01:53:26,817 --> 01:53:28,251 SO, I'M GONNA START BY SAYING 2561 01:53:28,251 --> 01:53:31,922 THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT THE EMAIL FROM DR. ZUK 2562 01:53:32,923 --> 01:53:34,558 ABOUT THIS CONFERENCE, 2563 01:53:34,558 --> 01:53:35,859 I HAD TWO THOUGHTS. 2564 01:53:35,859 --> 01:53:38,895 THE FIRST WAS, OH, NIH KNOWS WHO I AM? 2565 01:53:38,895 --> 01:53:39,730 THAT, YOU KNOW, (ATTENDEES LAUGHING) 2566 01:53:39,730 --> 01:53:41,031 DR. ZUK SENT ME AN EMAIL, 2567 01:53:41,031 --> 01:53:42,833 A PERSONAL EMAIL, RIGHT? 2568 01:53:42,833 --> 01:53:45,135 SO I WAS VERY FLATTERED, 2569 01:53:45,135 --> 01:53:46,837 AND OF COURSE I SAID YES. 2570 01:53:46,837 --> 01:53:48,505 BUT MY SECOND THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, 2571 01:53:48,505 --> 01:53:51,875 THE PANEL IS FOR SUCCESSFUL GRANTEES, 2572 01:53:51,875 --> 01:53:54,778 AND, YOU KNOW, THAT ACTUALLY SURPRISED ME A LITTLE BIT. 2573 01:53:54,778 --> 01:53:55,779 I JUST WANNA BE HONEST, 2574 01:53:55,779 --> 01:53:58,882 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE AS SCIENTISTS, 2575 01:53:58,882 --> 01:54:02,085 WE FACE A LOT OF KIND OF NOES MORE THAN YES 2576 01:54:02,085 --> 01:54:03,320 IN OUR JOB, RIGHT? 2577 01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:04,187 LOTS OF NOES. 2578 01:54:04,187 --> 01:54:06,423 YOU KNOW, EXPERIMENTS TEND TO FAIL, RIGHT? 2579 01:54:06,423 --> 01:54:08,258 GRANT PROPOSALS DON'T GET FUNDED. 2580 01:54:08,258 --> 01:54:09,893 SO, YOU KNOW, 2581 01:54:09,893 --> 01:54:11,495 EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A GRANT FROM NIH, 2582 01:54:11,495 --> 01:54:15,298 I DIDN'T THINK OF MYSELF AS A SUCCESSFUL GRANTEE. 2583 01:54:15,298 --> 01:54:17,501 SO, YOU KNOW, THIS CONFERENCE ACTUALLY GOT ME 2584 01:54:17,501 --> 01:54:19,269 TO THINKING ABOUT THAT. 2585 01:54:19,269 --> 01:54:20,537 BUT, YOU KNOW, IN A SENSE, 2586 01:54:20,537 --> 01:54:21,671 I FOLLOW BASEBALL, 2587 01:54:21,671 --> 01:54:23,907 AND, YOU KNOW, IN BASEBALL, 2588 01:54:23,907 --> 01:54:25,976 IF A HITTER GETS A HIT 30% OF THE TIME, 2589 01:54:25,976 --> 01:54:27,677 THAT'S CONSIDERED A SUCCESS. 2590 01:54:27,677 --> 01:54:29,579 AND I THINK PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 2591 01:54:29,579 --> 01:54:30,914 IF I GOT A GRANT 30% OF THE TIME, 2592 01:54:30,914 --> 01:54:33,717 I WOULD THINK THAT'S GREAT TOO. 2593 01:54:33,717 --> 01:54:35,318 SO, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE, 2594 01:54:35,318 --> 01:54:38,088 BUT I WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT. 2595 01:54:38,088 --> 01:54:41,391 AND, YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS A GRANT, 2596 01:54:41,391 --> 01:54:44,661 YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SUCCESSFUL GRANTEE, RIGHT? 2597 01:54:44,661 --> 01:54:46,763 SO, YOU KNOW, I KINDA WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT 2598 01:54:46,763 --> 01:54:48,999 ABOUT MY EXPERIENCE APPLYING FOR GRANTS. 2599 01:54:48,999 --> 01:54:50,867 SO I TRAINED AT, YOU KNOW, 2600 01:54:50,867 --> 01:54:52,702 VERY RESEARCH-INTENSIVE PLACES, 2601 01:54:52,702 --> 01:54:55,505 SO I WAS VERY AWARE OF, AT THOSE PLACES, 2602 01:54:55,505 --> 01:54:58,542 THE EXPECTATION AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR NIH FUNDING. 2603 01:54:58,542 --> 01:55:02,179 SO CERTAINLY, WHEN I STARTED MY POSITION AT UNLV, 2604 01:55:02,179 --> 01:55:05,749 I ALSO WANTED TO APPLY FOR GRANTS ACTIVELY. 2605 01:55:06,683 --> 01:55:08,652 BUT IT IS A BIT INTIMIDATING, 2606 01:55:08,652 --> 01:55:09,886 EVEN THOUGH I WAS AWARE OF SOME 2607 01:55:09,886 --> 01:55:11,254 OF THE KIND OF THE CHALLENGES 2608 01:55:11,254 --> 01:55:12,722 HEARING MY ADVISORS TALK ABOUT IT. 2609 01:55:12,722 --> 01:55:15,025 I ONLY APPLIED FOR FELLOWSHIP, 2610 01:55:15,025 --> 01:55:17,594 SO I WASN'T AWARE OF KIND OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS 2611 01:55:17,594 --> 01:55:20,764 THAT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, APPLYING FOR GRANTS 2612 01:55:20,764 --> 01:55:24,234 BESIDES SAYING, I WANT TO APPLY FOR GRANTS. 2613 01:55:24,234 --> 01:55:25,702 AND AT UNLV, 2614 01:55:25,702 --> 01:55:27,003 WE ACTUALLY HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS 2615 01:55:27,003 --> 01:55:30,507 THAT I WANTED TO MENTION THAT KIND OF HELPED ME PROGRESS 2616 01:55:30,507 --> 01:55:33,243 TOWARDS THE ROAD FOR GETTING A GRANT. 2617 01:55:33,243 --> 01:55:35,412 SO WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE, 2618 01:55:35,412 --> 01:55:37,814 'CAUSE IT WAS VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT 2619 01:55:37,814 --> 01:55:39,483 THAN MY TRAINING ENVIRONMENT, 2620 01:55:39,483 --> 01:55:41,251 A LOT OF SENIOR FACULTY TALKED TO ME 2621 01:55:41,251 --> 01:55:42,586 ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF GRANTS 2622 01:55:42,586 --> 01:55:44,721 THAT WERE AVAILABLE AT UNLV 2623 01:55:44,721 --> 01:55:46,223 THAT WE COULD APPLY FOR THROUGH NIH, 2624 01:55:46,223 --> 01:55:48,892 FOR EXAMPLE, THE R15, THE AREA GRANTS, 2625 01:55:48,892 --> 01:55:51,161 AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, BEING AN INBRE STATE 2626 01:55:51,161 --> 01:55:55,098 THAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT COMING FROM BOSTON. 2627 01:55:55,098 --> 01:55:57,400 SO, YOU KNOW, I BECAME MORE AWARE OF THESE THINGS. 2628 01:55:57,400 --> 01:55:58,401 THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD 2629 01:55:58,401 --> 01:56:01,004 THAT WAS VERY USEFUL WAS A FACULTY GRANT CLUB. 2630 01:56:01,004 --> 01:56:03,740 SO THIS WAS STARTED BY A COUPLE OF SENIOR FACULTY, 2631 01:56:03,740 --> 01:56:05,308 WHERE THEY VOLUNTARILY, YOU KNOW, 2632 01:56:05,308 --> 01:56:06,610 WOULD REVIEW GRANTS, 2633 01:56:06,610 --> 01:56:08,311 AND WE WOULD GO IN A MEETING, 2634 01:56:08,311 --> 01:56:10,614 ANYONE CAN COME, EVEN GRADUATE STUDENTS, 2635 01:56:10,614 --> 01:56:12,315 TO SIT THERE AND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, 2636 01:56:12,315 --> 01:56:15,285 JUST KIND OF MAKE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK 2637 01:56:15,285 --> 01:56:16,987 FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER FACULTY 2638 01:56:16,987 --> 01:56:18,755 WHO WERE INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, 2639 01:56:18,755 --> 01:56:20,690 WRITING PROPOSALS AND GRANTS. 2640 01:56:20,690 --> 01:56:21,625 AND I HAD, YOU KNOW, 2641 01:56:21,625 --> 01:56:24,528 ONE OF MY SPECIFIC AIMS PAGE THAT WAS REVIEWED, 2642 01:56:24,528 --> 01:56:27,564 AND I GOT SOME REALLY HELPFUL COMMENTS. 2643 01:56:27,564 --> 01:56:28,398 AND THEN THE OTHER THING 2644 01:56:28,398 --> 01:56:30,934 THAT WAS HELPFUL WAS THAT AT UNLV 2645 01:56:30,934 --> 01:56:32,869 WE HAD SMALL GRANTS THAT WE'RE GIVING OUT 2646 01:56:32,869 --> 01:56:35,005 THROUGH INTERNAL COMPETITIONS 2647 01:56:35,005 --> 01:56:38,675 KINDA TO HELP FACULTY GET ON THEIR WAY, SO TO SPEAK. 2648 01:56:38,675 --> 01:56:40,844 AND I FOUND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GOOD WAY FOR ME 2649 01:56:40,844 --> 01:56:43,513 TO START WRITING MY GRANTS IN A SMALLER WAY 2650 01:56:43,513 --> 01:56:46,149 AND NOT FEEL AS INTIMIDATED. 2651 01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:47,217 OKAY. 2652 01:56:47,217 --> 01:56:49,219 AND SO WHEN I, YOU KNOW, 2653 01:56:50,053 --> 01:56:51,955 KIND OF FIGURED OUT I WAS GOING TO APPLY FOR, 2654 01:56:51,955 --> 01:56:54,891 YOU KNOW, MY FIRST GRANT WAS GONNA BE A R15 GRANT, 2655 01:56:54,891 --> 01:56:58,395 I, YOU KNOW, EMAILED THE PROGRAM OFFICER 2656 01:56:58,395 --> 01:56:59,229 AND I TALKED TO ONE, 2657 01:56:59,229 --> 01:57:01,898 AND I WANT TO SAY THAT THEY'RE AS HELPFUL AS, 2658 01:57:01,898 --> 01:57:03,233 YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN MADE OUT TO BE, 2659 01:57:03,233 --> 01:57:07,437 AND I GOT A LOT OF HELPFUL INFORMATION TO DO THAT. 2660 01:57:07,437 --> 01:57:09,372 AND I STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER MY GRANT 2661 01:57:09,372 --> 01:57:11,875 AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO MY SPONSOR OFFICE 2662 01:57:11,875 --> 01:57:14,411 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I NEEDED TO DO AND ALL OF THAT. 2663 01:57:14,411 --> 01:57:16,746 AND THE ONE THING THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME 2664 01:57:16,746 --> 01:57:20,483 WAS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RESEARCH PROPOSAL PART, 2665 01:57:20,483 --> 01:57:22,018 WHICH, YOU KNOW, I HAD EXPERIENCE WITH 2666 01:57:22,018 --> 01:57:23,653 AND I TRAINED IN, 2667 01:57:23,653 --> 01:57:25,021 YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD 2668 01:57:25,021 --> 01:57:27,991 WAS ALL THESE EXTRA ADMINISTRATIVE PART 2669 01:57:27,991 --> 01:57:30,794 WHICH I WAS NEVER EXPOSED TO AS A POSTDOC. 2670 01:57:30,794 --> 01:57:33,597 THE BIOSKETCH, THE BUDGETS, 2671 01:57:33,597 --> 01:57:35,198 THE BUDGET JUSTIFICATION, 2672 01:57:35,198 --> 01:57:37,467 ALL THOSE OTHER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, 2673 01:57:37,467 --> 01:57:38,301 ALL OF THOSE THINGS, 2674 01:57:38,301 --> 01:57:40,503 WHICH AS A NEW FACULTY IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT 2675 01:57:40,503 --> 01:57:41,338 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW 2676 01:57:41,338 --> 01:57:43,573 WHAT THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE ON CAMPUS 2677 01:57:43,573 --> 01:57:45,542 AND YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, 2678 01:57:45,542 --> 01:57:48,411 HOW DO YOU MAKE A BUDGET FOR YOUR PERSONNEL? 2679 01:57:48,411 --> 01:57:49,613 AND FORTUNATELY FOR ME, 2680 01:57:49,613 --> 01:57:50,914 I HAD SENIOR FACULTY 2681 01:57:50,914 --> 01:57:54,417 WHO WERE WILLING TO SHARE THEIR SUCCESSFUL GRANTS, 2682 01:57:54,417 --> 01:57:58,455 ESPECIALLY THOSE PART OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT WAS NECESSARY. 2683 01:57:58,455 --> 01:58:00,457 SO I WAS ABLE TO HAVE A TEMPLATE 2684 01:58:00,457 --> 01:58:01,591 WHERE I COULD JUST LOOK AT IT 2685 01:58:01,591 --> 01:58:02,459 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 2686 01:58:02,459 --> 01:58:04,894 KIND OF WRITE IT IN MY OWN WAY TO SUBMIT. 2687 01:58:04,894 --> 01:58:06,296 SO THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 2688 01:58:06,296 --> 01:58:08,164 AND, YOU KNOW, I MANAGED TO MAKE THE DEADLINE 2689 01:58:08,164 --> 01:58:09,699 THAT I WANTED TO, 2690 01:58:09,699 --> 01:58:13,003 BUT UNFORTUNATELY I DIDN'T GET FUNDED IN THAT FIRST GRANT. 2691 01:58:13,003 --> 01:58:15,305 AND THEN THE NEXT PART OBVIOUSLY WAS TO FIGURE OUT 2692 01:58:15,305 --> 01:58:18,341 HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO THE REVIEWER COMMENTS. 2693 01:58:18,341 --> 01:58:19,509 SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, 2694 01:58:19,509 --> 01:58:20,977 I REACHED OUT TO MY PO, 2695 01:58:20,977 --> 01:58:24,080 AND THEY ALSO ONCE AGAIN HAD HELPFUL COMMENTS FOR ME, 2696 01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:27,150 AND IT JUST KIND OF WAS REALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS 2697 01:58:27,150 --> 01:58:28,084 FROM THEREON. 2698 01:58:28,084 --> 01:58:28,918 AND, YOU KNOW, 2699 01:58:28,918 --> 01:58:30,787 MY ROAD WAS A BIT LONG, I WOULD SAY, 2700 01:58:30,787 --> 01:58:33,556 IT TOOK ME A BIT OF TIME TO GET FUNDING. 2701 01:58:33,556 --> 01:58:35,625 BUT I THINK THE KEY PROBABLY, 2702 01:58:35,625 --> 01:58:36,593 AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, 2703 01:58:36,593 --> 01:58:39,696 IS RESILIENCE AND PERSISTENCE BASICALLY. 2704 01:58:39,696 --> 01:58:41,431 AND WHAT I FOUND WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, 2705 01:58:41,431 --> 01:58:44,501 WHEN ONE SEES OTHER FACULTY BECOMING, 2706 01:58:46,469 --> 01:58:47,437 YOU KNOW, SUCCESSFUL, 2707 01:58:47,437 --> 01:58:50,473 THEN SOMETIMES YOU CAN ACTUALLY SPUR OTHER FACULTY 2708 01:58:50,473 --> 01:58:52,042 TO APPLY FOR GRANTS. 2709 01:58:52,042 --> 01:58:53,610 I'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, 2710 01:58:53,610 --> 01:58:57,080 I WAS THE FIRST FACULTY IN MY INSTITUTION 2711 01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:58,748 TO APPLY FOR THE R16, 2712 01:58:58,748 --> 01:59:00,650 AND I HAD A COUPLE FACULTY COME UP TO ME, 2713 01:59:00,650 --> 01:59:02,085 YOU KNOW, AFTER I HAD GOTTEN THE GRANT 2714 01:59:02,085 --> 01:59:04,287 TO SAY THAT THEY WERE INTERESTED NOW 2715 01:59:04,287 --> 01:59:06,756 IN APPLYING FOR IT TOO, RIGHT? 2716 01:59:07,657 --> 01:59:09,092 SO A LITTLE BIT OF PEER PRESSURE 2717 01:59:09,092 --> 01:59:10,660 AND KIND OF, YOU KNOW, 2718 01:59:10,660 --> 01:59:13,897 HAVING POSITIVE NEWS IS ALWAYS HELPFUL. 2719 01:59:14,798 --> 01:59:16,533 AND THEN THE OTHER THING I ALSO WANTED TO SAY 2720 01:59:16,533 --> 01:59:19,302 IS THAT I THINK IT'S REALLY NICE, 2721 01:59:19,302 --> 01:59:21,705 YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE ARE GRANTING EFFORTS 2722 01:59:21,705 --> 01:59:24,207 TO HAVE KIND OF THE INSTITUTION, 2723 01:59:24,207 --> 01:59:26,710 WHERE THE ADMINISTRATION ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, 2724 01:59:26,710 --> 01:59:28,078 YOU KNOW, FOR FACULTY, 2725 01:59:28,078 --> 01:59:31,915 ESPECIALLY AT, YOU KNOW, RESOURCE-LIMITED INSTITUTIONS, 2726 01:59:31,915 --> 01:59:34,651 TO APPLY FOR GRANTS IS EXTRA EFFORT 2727 01:59:34,651 --> 01:59:36,686 AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING IN, 2728 01:59:36,686 --> 01:59:39,222 THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED, RIGHT? 2729 01:59:39,222 --> 01:59:43,259 YOU KNOW, ASIDE FROM KIND OF THE PERSONAL MOTIVATION 2730 01:59:43,259 --> 01:59:46,863 OF GETTING A GRANT FOR YOUR OWN RESEARCH, 2731 01:59:46,863 --> 01:59:48,131 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS FACULTY, 2732 01:59:48,131 --> 01:59:51,735 WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED, 2733 01:59:51,735 --> 01:59:55,972 AND, YOU KNOW, WRITING A GOOD GRANT TAKES A LOT OF TIME TOO. 2734 01:59:55,972 --> 01:59:57,240 AND I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, 2735 01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:00,310 FACULTY JUST APPRECIATES A NICE WORD OF ENCOURAGEMENT 2736 02:00:00,310 --> 02:00:02,645 FROM THE ADMINISTRATION TOO. 2737 02:00:06,082 --> 02:00:06,916 YEAH. 2738 02:00:09,452 --> 02:00:10,387 - HI, EVERYONE. 2739 02:00:10,387 --> 02:00:11,354 I'M REZA ZADEGAN, 2740 02:00:11,354 --> 02:00:12,589 I'M AN ASSISTANT PROFESSOR 2741 02:00:12,589 --> 02:00:16,526 AT THE NORTH CAROLINA A&T STATE UNIVERSITY. 2742 02:00:16,526 --> 02:00:19,529 WE'RE THE LARGEST HBCU IN THE NATION 2743 02:00:19,529 --> 02:00:22,399 BY THE NUMBER OF THE STUDENTS. 2744 02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:23,967 WE'RE TRYING TO BE AN R1, 2745 02:00:23,967 --> 02:00:25,802 WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING 2746 02:00:28,671 --> 02:00:30,940 TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE 2747 02:00:30,940 --> 02:00:34,677 TOWARDS A BIT MORE RESEARCH-ORIENTED ACTIVITY 2748 02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:37,781 IN THE UNIVERSITY. 2749 02:00:39,949 --> 02:00:40,784 MOSTLY, 2750 02:00:42,619 --> 02:00:45,955 SO OUR SCHOOL IS MOSTLY GRADUATE SCHOOL. 2751 02:00:47,891 --> 02:00:50,160 IT'S THE DEPARTMENT OF NANOSCIENCE AND NANOENGINEERING 2752 02:00:50,160 --> 02:00:53,096 GETTING TOGETHER FROM UNCG AND A&T. 2753 02:00:53,096 --> 02:00:56,866 AND WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE CHALLENGES 2754 02:00:56,866 --> 02:00:59,402 THAT THE PEOPLE ON OUR MAIN CAMPUS HAVE, 2755 02:00:59,402 --> 02:01:03,206 OR AT LEAST I DON'T HAVE SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, 2756 02:01:03,206 --> 02:01:05,508 BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE BEEN EXPOSED 2757 02:01:05,508 --> 02:01:07,844 TO SOME CHALLENGES AS WELL. 2758 02:01:07,844 --> 02:01:09,913 I DON'T KNOW, ARE WE GONNA MOVE THROUGH, 2759 02:01:09,913 --> 02:01:12,382 OR SHOULD I PROVIDE SOME FEEDBACK 2760 02:01:12,382 --> 02:01:15,351 OR SOME SUGGESTIONS RIGHT NOW? 2761 02:01:15,351 --> 02:01:17,454 OKAY, SO I SHARE A LOT OF 2762 02:01:19,522 --> 02:01:22,192 WHAT WAS SHARED BEFORE BY KELLY. 2763 02:01:23,927 --> 02:01:28,431 SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WANNA SHARE. 2764 02:01:28,431 --> 02:01:30,567 I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS 2765 02:01:30,567 --> 02:01:32,235 THAT HELPED ME A LOT, 2766 02:01:32,235 --> 02:01:34,671 I WAS MORE SUCCESSFUL. 2767 02:01:34,671 --> 02:01:37,407 I'D SAY I ONLY APPLIED TWO TIMES, 2768 02:01:39,409 --> 02:01:40,844 AND I GOT BOTH OF THEM, 2769 02:01:40,844 --> 02:01:44,113 BUT ONE WAS ADMINISTRATIVELY WITHDRAWN, 2770 02:01:45,114 --> 02:01:47,183 SO ONE OF THE LESSONS THAT I LEARNED 2771 02:01:47,183 --> 02:01:49,419 WAS TO READ VERY CAREFULLY. 2772 02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:52,989 THERE WAS A TWO AND THREE NUMBER 2773 02:01:52,989 --> 02:01:55,158 BETWEEN THE TWO PROGRAMS THAT WE SUBMITTED, 2774 02:01:55,158 --> 02:01:57,794 UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE 2775 02:01:57,794 --> 02:01:59,796 IN THE INSTITUTION EITHER, SO. 2776 02:01:59,796 --> 02:02:04,033 THE FIRST ONE WAS AFTER RECEIVING THE NOTIFICATION, 2777 02:02:05,335 --> 02:02:07,170 THEN IT WAS WITHDRAWN. 2778 02:02:08,171 --> 02:02:11,007 BUT, SO READ THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS 2779 02:02:12,976 --> 02:02:15,345 THAT ARE SHARED BY NIH VERY CAREFULLY. 2780 02:02:15,345 --> 02:02:18,181 MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CONTACTING THE PO, 2781 02:02:18,181 --> 02:02:20,884 AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW YOU 2782 02:02:20,884 --> 02:02:22,652 AND YOU KNOW THEM 2783 02:02:22,652 --> 02:02:25,989 AND YOU ARE APPLYING TO THE RIGHT PLACE. 2784 02:02:26,890 --> 02:02:28,424 AND SO THAT'S ONE THING, 2785 02:02:28,424 --> 02:02:32,529 AND THAT REQUIRES TIMING TO BE VERY WELL-MANAGED. 2786 02:02:33,463 --> 02:02:36,566 YOU GOTTA DO IT PROBABLY WAY IN ADVANCE 2787 02:02:36,566 --> 02:02:39,435 JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN COVER ANY MISTAKE 2788 02:02:39,435 --> 02:02:43,106 THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING THROUGH THE PROCESS. 2789 02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:46,142 SO THESE ARE VERY HAND-IN-HAND THINGS, 2790 02:02:46,142 --> 02:02:47,710 I WOULD SAY READ CAREFULLY 2791 02:02:47,710 --> 02:02:50,313 AND ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR TIMING IS GOOD. 2792 02:02:50,313 --> 02:02:53,483 SAY TIMING, IT'S PROBABLY A YEAR AHEAD, 2793 02:02:53,483 --> 02:02:55,385 NOT A COUPLE OF MONTHS. 2794 02:02:55,385 --> 02:02:57,887 JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COVERING ALL THE GRANTS, 2795 02:02:57,887 --> 02:03:02,625 ESPECIALLY AT INSTITUTIONS THAT HAVE SOME CHALLENGES. 2796 02:03:02,625 --> 02:03:04,894 SOMETIMES HR IS ROADBLOCKS, 2797 02:03:07,564 --> 02:03:10,633 SOMETIMES PERSONNEL IS SOMETHING 2798 02:03:10,633 --> 02:03:13,303 THAT YOU HAVE TO HANDLE. 2799 02:03:13,303 --> 02:03:14,637 AND ASK QUESTIONS, 2800 02:03:14,637 --> 02:03:16,873 SO I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT THING. 2801 02:03:16,873 --> 02:03:20,009 I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PO 2802 02:03:20,009 --> 02:03:22,545 AND WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE, 2803 02:03:22,545 --> 02:03:26,749 AND I FOUND THAT I'M APPLYING TO THE RIGHT PLACE, 2804 02:03:26,749 --> 02:03:29,519 AND THAT WAS THE SUCCESSFUL GRANT 2805 02:03:31,955 --> 02:03:33,523 THAT I HAD. 2806 02:03:33,523 --> 02:03:38,161 SO IF I'M TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA WRITE, 2807 02:03:38,161 --> 02:03:39,862 THAT WOULD BE MOSTLY PIS, 2808 02:03:39,862 --> 02:03:42,532 I WOULD SAY REVIEW, REVIEW, REVIEW, 2809 02:03:42,532 --> 02:03:46,869 MAKE SURE THAT YOU READ YOUR DOCUMENT VERY CAREFULLY 2810 02:03:48,037 --> 02:03:50,940 AND YOU HAVE COVERED EVERY ASPECT OF THE RESEARCH 2811 02:03:50,940 --> 02:03:53,376 THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PURSUE. 2812 02:03:55,044 --> 02:03:57,113 SO QUALITY FOR ME MATTERS THE MOST, 2813 02:03:57,113 --> 02:04:00,483 SO THAT'S WHY I REVIEW VERY, VERY INTENSIVELY. 2814 02:04:00,483 --> 02:04:05,421 I WAS MY OWN ENEMY WHEN I WAS READING THE DOCUMENT MOSTLY. 2815 02:04:05,421 --> 02:04:09,592 AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT I COVER ALL THE ASPECTS. 2816 02:04:12,195 --> 02:04:14,530 AND IN THIS ASPECT, 2817 02:04:14,530 --> 02:04:18,267 WHAT YOU MENTIONED ACTUALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME, 2818 02:04:19,902 --> 02:04:22,071 THAT YOU CONNECT WITH SOME OF YOUR PEERS 2819 02:04:22,071 --> 02:04:23,873 AND GIVE THEM THE DOCUMENT, 2820 02:04:23,873 --> 02:04:24,974 MAKE SURE THAT THEY READ. 2821 02:04:24,974 --> 02:04:28,111 IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF YOUR INSTITUTION, 2822 02:04:28,111 --> 02:04:30,713 THAT WOULD BE ALSO VERY USEFUL. 2823 02:04:31,681 --> 02:04:35,151 MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE THE DOCUMENT TO A GRANDMA 2824 02:04:35,151 --> 02:04:37,353 AND SEE WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT IT, 2825 02:04:37,353 --> 02:04:39,288 BECAUSE YOU WANNA MAKE SURE 2826 02:04:39,288 --> 02:04:41,691 THAT YOU'RE COMMUNICATING SCIENTIFICALLY 2827 02:04:41,691 --> 02:04:43,826 WITH YOUR TARGET AUDIENCE, 2828 02:04:45,528 --> 02:04:49,565 WHICH MIGHT AND MIGHT NOT BE VERY FAMILIAR 2829 02:04:49,565 --> 02:04:52,168 WITH THE TOPIC THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COVER. 2830 02:04:52,168 --> 02:04:53,403 SO IT SHOULD BE, 2831 02:04:53,403 --> 02:04:54,270 SO WHEN YOU'RE WRITING, 2832 02:04:54,270 --> 02:04:56,839 IT SHOULD BE INFORMATIVE ENOUGH 2833 02:04:56,839 --> 02:05:00,943 THAT A PERSON THAT DOESN'T KNOW MUCH CAN READ IT 2834 02:05:00,943 --> 02:05:03,112 AND CAN UNDERSTAND IT AND CAN COMPREHEND IT. 2835 02:05:03,112 --> 02:05:04,981 AND AT THE SAME TIME, 2836 02:05:04,981 --> 02:05:08,551 IT COVERS ALL THE VERY, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC ASPECTS. 2837 02:05:08,551 --> 02:05:11,821 AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NO WEAKNESS 2838 02:05:14,123 --> 02:05:16,059 IN SCIENTIFIC APPROACH. 2839 02:05:17,894 --> 02:05:19,929 YEAH, I THINK I'M GONNA STOP RIGHT NOW, 2840 02:05:19,929 --> 02:05:22,465 BUT I WOULD SAY FOR THE INSTITUTIONS, 2841 02:05:22,465 --> 02:05:24,867 SO ONE THING THAT REALLY HELPED ME 2842 02:05:24,867 --> 02:05:28,104 WAS THE OFFICE OF THE SPONSORED RESEARCH 2843 02:05:28,104 --> 02:05:30,873 IN OUR UNIVERSITY'S CALLED DORED, 2844 02:05:32,041 --> 02:05:34,510 ONE THING THAT REALLY HELPED ME, 2845 02:05:34,510 --> 02:05:36,279 BOTH FOR NIH AND NSF, 2846 02:05:38,114 --> 02:05:41,584 WAS A WORKSHOP THAT WHEN I JOINED, 2847 02:05:41,584 --> 02:05:43,686 IT WAS LIKE ONE MONTH AFTER I JOINED, 2848 02:05:43,686 --> 02:05:44,520 THERE WAS A WORKSHOP, 2849 02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:46,389 IT WAS BEFORE THE COVID. 2850 02:05:46,389 --> 02:05:50,493 SO I WAS LUCKY THAT I COULD ATTEND THAT WORKSHOP. 2851 02:05:51,894 --> 02:05:52,862 THERE WAS A WORKSHOP, 2852 02:05:52,862 --> 02:05:55,865 AND A GENTLEMAN CAME AND GAVE A TALK 2853 02:05:57,066 --> 02:06:02,004 AND WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW TO WRITE A SUCCESSFUL PROPOSAL. 2854 02:06:02,004 --> 02:06:03,106 THAT REALLY HELPED, 2855 02:06:03,106 --> 02:06:06,342 I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 70% HELPED ME 2856 02:06:08,311 --> 02:06:09,145 IN THAT REGARD. 2857 02:06:09,145 --> 02:06:11,481 SO INSTITUTIONS, IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THAT, 2858 02:06:11,481 --> 02:06:14,050 THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL FOR THE PIS, 2859 02:06:14,050 --> 02:06:18,621 FOR THOSE THAT WANNA MOVE FORWARD AND DO THE RESEARCH. 2860 02:06:18,621 --> 02:06:20,523 I'M GONNA STOP AT THAT. 2861 02:06:23,526 --> 02:06:24,994 - THANK YOU, SO I'M MELISSA HARRINGTON 2862 02:06:24,994 --> 02:06:27,363 AT DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY. 2863 02:06:27,363 --> 02:06:29,999 AND I HAVE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 2864 02:06:29,999 --> 02:06:32,168 SO MY FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE TITLE, 2865 02:06:32,168 --> 02:06:35,104 WHICH WAS GIVEN TO ME BACK IN 2005, 2866 02:06:35,104 --> 02:06:37,406 WAS DIRECTOR OF BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH, 2867 02:06:37,406 --> 02:06:39,342 AND I WAS JUST THEN BARELY, 2868 02:06:39,342 --> 02:06:41,310 I HAD JUST BECOME AN ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR 2869 02:06:41,310 --> 02:06:45,915 AND HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH SOME NIH FUNDING. 2870 02:06:45,915 --> 02:06:50,553 AND THE DEAN AT THE TIME FROM MY COLLEGE SAID, 2871 02:06:50,553 --> 02:06:52,622 "OH, GREAT, NOW YOU'RE GONNA HELP ALL YOUR COLLEAGUES, 2872 02:06:52,622 --> 02:06:55,591 YOU NEED TO GET THEM SUCCESSFUL WITH NIH TOO," 2873 02:06:55,591 --> 02:06:58,828 AND SO THAT'S BEEN ACTUALLY A MAJOR PART 2874 02:06:58,828 --> 02:07:03,266 OF MY PROFESSIONAL PORTFOLIO EVER SINCE THEN. 2875 02:07:03,266 --> 02:07:05,868 RIGHT NOW I'M THE ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH, 2876 02:07:05,868 --> 02:07:08,671 WHICH AT DEL STATE IS THE SENIOR RESEARCH OFFICER, 2877 02:07:08,671 --> 02:07:12,809 AND I'M TRYING TO BROADEN THAT ACROSS ALL OUR DEPARTMENTS 2878 02:07:12,809 --> 02:07:15,845 AND FOR AGENCIES BESIDES NIH. 2879 02:07:15,845 --> 02:07:17,046 BUT NIH IS STILL THE ONE 2880 02:07:17,046 --> 02:07:20,016 THAT WE'VE BEEN THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AT 2881 02:07:20,016 --> 02:07:23,519 IN CHANGING OUR RELATIVE LEVEL OF FUNDING. 2882 02:07:23,519 --> 02:07:25,988 AND THERE'S SOME KEYS TO THAT. 2883 02:07:26,989 --> 02:07:29,892 SO I CAN SPEAK NOT JUST SO MUCH ABOUT MY SUCCESS 2884 02:07:29,892 --> 02:07:33,062 BUT HOW I HELPED MY COLLEAGUES BE SUCCESSFUL. 2885 02:07:33,062 --> 02:07:34,831 ONE OF THE BIG THINGS 2886 02:07:36,966 --> 02:07:41,304 THAT WAS TRANSFORMATIVE FOR US WAS THE IDEA PROGRAM, 2887 02:07:42,605 --> 02:07:44,807 OR THE MECHANISMS THROUGH THE IDEA PROGRAM, 2888 02:07:44,807 --> 02:07:47,310 SO I GOTTA GIVE A SHOUTOUT TO NIGMS. 2889 02:07:47,310 --> 02:07:49,445 SO DELAWARE, WE'RE AN IDEA STATE. 2890 02:07:49,445 --> 02:07:52,448 AND STARTED WITH THE BRIN GRANT, 2891 02:07:52,448 --> 02:07:53,850 WHICH WAS AN ACRONYM, OF COURSE, 2892 02:07:53,850 --> 02:07:54,817 AND THEN THERE WAS, 2893 02:07:54,817 --> 02:07:57,086 SUCCESSIVELY THE ACRONYM IS NOW INBRE, 2894 02:07:57,086 --> 02:08:01,057 AND WE'RE ON, STATEWIDE, VERSION FIVE. 2895 02:08:01,057 --> 02:08:03,726 UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE IS THE LEAD INSTITUTION, 2896 02:08:03,726 --> 02:08:08,097 AND THEN A BIG PART OF THE FUNDS GO TO SUPPORT PILOTS, 2897 02:08:08,097 --> 02:08:12,468 PROJECTS, AND CORE FACILITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE, 2898 02:08:12,468 --> 02:08:14,403 INCLUDING AT DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY. 2899 02:08:14,403 --> 02:08:18,074 AND WHEN I CAME TO DEL STATE IN 2001, 2900 02:08:18,074 --> 02:08:19,775 I WAS TOLD, 2901 02:08:19,775 --> 02:08:23,012 "STAY AWAY FROM UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE." (CHUCKLES) 2902 02:08:23,012 --> 02:08:24,647 "THEY JUST WANT OUR STUDENTS, 2903 02:08:24,647 --> 02:08:25,781 THEY'LL USE YOU TO GET A GRANT, 2904 02:08:25,781 --> 02:08:27,450 AND YOU WON'T GET ANYTHING." 2905 02:08:27,450 --> 02:08:30,519 AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INSTITUTIONAL DISTRUST. 2906 02:08:30,519 --> 02:08:34,290 I THINK THE IDEA PROGRAMS, THE INBRE GRANT, 2907 02:08:34,290 --> 02:08:37,693 AND THEN LATER THE CLINICAL/TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH, 2908 02:08:37,693 --> 02:08:39,195 THE CTR CENTERS, 2909 02:08:39,195 --> 02:08:42,465 REALLY TRANSFORMED THAT RELATIONSHIP 2910 02:08:42,465 --> 02:08:45,568 BECAUSE UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE CAME TO US AND SAID, 2911 02:08:45,568 --> 02:08:47,169 "OH, WE WANNA PARTNER ON A GRANT," 2912 02:08:47,169 --> 02:08:49,272 AND THEY HAD TO GIVE US MONEY TOO. 2913 02:08:49,272 --> 02:08:51,507 THEY HAD TO GIVE US A BIG CHUNK OF THE MONEY, 2914 02:08:51,507 --> 02:08:53,342 AND SO FOR ME, 2915 02:08:53,342 --> 02:08:55,478 MY FIRST NIH GRANT, 2916 02:08:55,478 --> 02:08:59,248 NIH GRANT, WAS A PILOT GRANT THROUGH THE BRIN. 2917 02:08:59,248 --> 02:09:00,416 AND THEN THAT, 2918 02:09:01,684 --> 02:09:03,252 I WAS ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT 2919 02:09:03,252 --> 02:09:06,422 TO THEN HAVE INDEPENDENCE NIH FUNDING. 2920 02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:11,160 AND THEN LEADING TO KIND OF INSTITUTIONALLY 2921 02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:12,962 WHAT WAS TRANSFORMATIVE, 2922 02:09:12,962 --> 02:09:16,299 THAT EVENTUALLY LED TO ME BEING A DIRECTOR 2923 02:09:16,299 --> 02:09:18,968 FOR AN NIGMS IDEA-FUNDED CENTER, 2924 02:09:19,802 --> 02:09:21,904 IT'S CALLED COBRE, THAT'S THE ACRONYM. 2925 02:09:21,904 --> 02:09:23,072 FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE IN IDEA STATES, 2926 02:09:23,072 --> 02:09:25,775 YOU KNOW, THE CENTERS OF BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH EXCELLENCE. 2927 02:09:25,775 --> 02:09:28,511 THIS IS INCLUDING INDIRECT COSTS, 2928 02:09:28,511 --> 02:09:33,215 THESE WERE OVER $10 MILLION FOR FIVE YEARS OF FUNDING 2929 02:09:33,215 --> 02:09:35,284 TO BUILD RESEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE 2930 02:09:35,284 --> 02:09:37,453 AND SUPPORT INVESTIGATORS. 2931 02:09:38,955 --> 02:09:42,024 WE PARTNERED WITH UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE, 2932 02:09:42,024 --> 02:09:43,826 BUT DEL STATE WAS THE LEAD INSTITUTION. 2933 02:09:43,826 --> 02:09:48,264 AND WE WERE THE ONLY HBCU TO HAVE ONE OF THESE COBRE GRANTS, 2934 02:09:48,264 --> 02:09:51,734 AND THIS WAS IN 2012 WHEN WE WERE FIRST AWARDED. 2935 02:09:51,734 --> 02:09:54,637 WE'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO YEAR 13, 2936 02:09:54,637 --> 02:09:56,906 WE'RE FINISHING UP YEAR 12, 2937 02:09:57,773 --> 02:10:01,777 AND WE'RE STILL THE ONLY HBCU WITH A COBRE GRANT. 2938 02:10:01,777 --> 02:10:05,047 I REALLY WISH THAT WERE NOT THE CASE. 2939 02:10:05,047 --> 02:10:08,017 WHAT ALLOWED US TO BE COMPETITIVE WAS THAT INTERACTION 2940 02:10:08,017 --> 02:10:10,653 WITH UNIVERSITY OF DELAWARE, 2941 02:10:10,653 --> 02:10:13,422 WHERE THEY CONTRIBUTED, YOU KNOW, 2942 02:10:13,422 --> 02:10:15,124 A COUPLE OF OUR INVESTIGATORS, 2943 02:10:15,124 --> 02:10:16,926 SOME OF THE PILOTS WERE FUNDED, 2944 02:10:16,926 --> 02:10:19,261 THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THE R01 GRANTS, 2945 02:10:19,261 --> 02:10:21,664 AND THAT GAVE US THE SCIENTIFIC CREDIBILITY 2946 02:10:21,664 --> 02:10:24,433 THAT THEN ALLOWED US TO BE, 2947 02:10:24,433 --> 02:10:26,669 AS A PARTNERSHIP, TO BE COMPETITIVE 2948 02:10:26,669 --> 02:10:29,178 EVEN WITH DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY AS THE LEAD 2949 02:10:29,178 --> 02:10:29,872 INSTITUTION. 2950 02:10:29,872 --> 02:10:32,041 AND I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN WE FIRST GOT FUNDED, 2951 02:10:32,041 --> 02:10:33,376 REVIEWERS DIDN'T LIKE IT, RIGHT? 2952 02:10:33,376 --> 02:10:34,777 THE REVIEWERS DIDN'T BELIEVE IT. 2953 02:10:34,777 --> 02:10:36,379 IN FACT, ONE REVIEWER, 2954 02:10:36,379 --> 02:10:39,148 TALKING ABOUT INSTITUTIONAL BIAS, 2955 02:10:41,083 --> 02:10:44,920 ONE OF OUR FIRST REVIEWS SAID THEY CAN'T AWARD THIS, 2956 02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:47,556 THIS INSTITUTION'S NOT A MEDICAL SCHOOL. 2957 02:10:47,556 --> 02:10:49,191 BUT IT WAS SIDNEY MCNARY, 2958 02:10:49,191 --> 02:10:51,227 SIDNEY MCNARY TOOK A CHANCE ON US, 2959 02:10:51,227 --> 02:10:53,829 AND WE'RE NOW IN YEAR 12, 2960 02:10:53,829 --> 02:10:56,465 AND IT'S BEEN REALLY SUCCESSFUL. 2961 02:10:59,035 --> 02:11:02,505 WE WERE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP THAT SUCCESS. 2962 02:11:02,505 --> 02:11:04,106 TWO YEARS AGO, IN 2022, 2963 02:11:04,106 --> 02:11:06,742 WE WERE FUNDED WITH AN RCMI GRANT, 2964 02:11:06,742 --> 02:11:09,311 SO ANOTHER BIG CENTER 2965 02:11:09,311 --> 02:11:11,881 THAT NOW IS JUST FOR DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY 2966 02:11:11,881 --> 02:11:14,383 THAT'S ALLOWING US TO FUND INVESTIGATORS 2967 02:11:14,383 --> 02:11:15,785 KIND OF AT THE PROJECT-LEAD LEVEL 2968 02:11:15,785 --> 02:11:17,219 AND AS WELL AS PILOTS 2969 02:11:17,219 --> 02:11:20,823 AND SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF CORE FACILITIES. 2970 02:11:21,657 --> 02:11:24,093 SOME THINGS THAT WERE REALLY, 2971 02:11:25,761 --> 02:11:29,198 I THINK ELEMENTS THAT WERE MOST HELPFUL 2972 02:11:29,198 --> 02:11:30,633 FOR THESE CENTER GRANTS, 2973 02:11:30,633 --> 02:11:32,535 PARTICULARLY FOR COBRE NOW THAT WE'RE 12 YEARS IN 2974 02:11:32,535 --> 02:11:35,171 AND WE KNOW WHAT WORKED, 2975 02:11:35,171 --> 02:11:38,140 THE REQUIREMENT FOR MENTORS, 2976 02:11:38,140 --> 02:11:40,242 AND NOT JUST, OH, THE PI, 2977 02:11:40,242 --> 02:11:41,744 YOU KNOW, THE PROJECT LEADS 2978 02:11:41,744 --> 02:11:44,113 AND THE PILOT PIS HAVE TO HAVE MENTORS, 2979 02:11:44,113 --> 02:11:47,316 BUT A STRUCTURED MENTORING PROGRAM. 2980 02:11:47,316 --> 02:11:48,751 SO I HELPED, 2981 02:11:48,751 --> 02:11:50,619 AND MY COLLEAGUES THAT WERE WORKING ON THE GRANT, 2982 02:11:50,619 --> 02:11:52,822 WE HELPED THE PILOT INVESTIGATORS 2983 02:11:52,822 --> 02:11:56,592 AND THE RESEARCH PROJECT LEADS IDENTIFY MENTORS. 2984 02:11:56,592 --> 02:11:58,260 ESPECIALLY COMING TO DEL STATE. 2985 02:11:58,260 --> 02:12:02,151 THESE ARE RESEARCHERS THAT AREN'T TERRIBLY CONNECTED, 2986 02:12:02,151 --> 02:12:02,665 RIGHT? 2987 02:12:02,665 --> 02:12:07,036 DON'T HAVE A BIG PROFESSIONAL NETWORK OF OTHER SCIENTISTS, 2988 02:12:07,036 --> 02:12:09,438 AND IT CAN BE VERY INTIMIDATING 2989 02:12:09,438 --> 02:12:12,141 TO HAVE TO REACH OUT TO SOMEBODY 2990 02:12:12,141 --> 02:12:14,877 AND HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, 2991 02:12:14,877 --> 02:12:16,445 ASK THEM TO BE A MENTOR. 2992 02:12:16,445 --> 02:12:18,714 SO AS THE COBRE DIRECTOR, 2993 02:12:18,714 --> 02:12:19,882 I TOOK THAT OFF OF THEM. 2994 02:12:19,882 --> 02:12:23,719 I SAID, "OKAY, IF YOU IDENTIFY WHO YOU THINK WOULD HELP, 2995 02:12:23,719 --> 02:12:24,920 I WILL REACH OUT." 2996 02:12:24,920 --> 02:12:27,890 AND WE HAD MONEY TO PAY THEM, 2997 02:12:27,890 --> 02:12:28,791 AND IT WAS, 2998 02:12:30,359 --> 02:12:31,961 YOU KNOW, PART OF AN HONORARY THING. 2999 02:12:31,961 --> 02:12:34,763 IT WAS NOT PUTTING IT ON THE INVESTIGATOR, YOU KNOW, 3000 02:12:34,763 --> 02:12:36,098 GO BEG SOMEONE FOR HELP, 3001 02:12:36,098 --> 02:12:37,833 IT'S REACHING OUT AND SAYING, 3002 02:12:37,833 --> 02:12:40,503 "YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PART OF THIS CENTER 3003 02:12:40,503 --> 02:12:42,271 THAT'S GONNA TRANSFORM OUR INSTITUTION 3004 02:12:42,271 --> 02:12:44,974 AND HELP DEVELOP THIS CADRE 3005 02:12:44,974 --> 02:12:48,477 OF DIVERSE NIH COMPETITIVE INVESTIGATORS." 3006 02:12:48,477 --> 02:12:53,149 SO I THINK THAT KIND OF STRUCTURED MENTORSHIP PROGRAM 3007 02:12:53,149 --> 02:12:53,983 WAS REALLY KEY, 3008 02:12:53,983 --> 02:12:58,387 AND THEN WHAT THE MENTORS PROVIDED FOR OUR INVESTIGATORS, 3009 02:12:58,387 --> 02:12:59,355 I THINK THE KEY THING, 3010 02:12:59,355 --> 02:13:02,558 AND THEY SAY TOO WHAT HELPED THEM, 3011 02:13:02,558 --> 02:13:04,126 WAS THE MENTORS WOULD GO 3012 02:13:04,126 --> 02:13:06,462 THROUGH THEIR PROPOSALS LINE BY LINE. 3013 02:13:06,462 --> 02:13:07,630 THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PAYING 'EM FOR, RIGHT? 3014 02:13:07,630 --> 02:13:11,400 IS FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROPOSALS LINE BY LINE 3015 02:13:11,400 --> 02:13:15,404 AND TURN IT INTO A FORM THAT CAN BE COMPETITIVE. 3016 02:13:17,506 --> 02:13:21,443 AND THAT REALLY HELPED THEM GET OVER THAT HUMP. 3017 02:13:23,045 --> 02:13:27,416 THE OTHER THINGS THAT FUNDING WAS REALLY KEY FOR, 3018 02:13:27,416 --> 02:13:30,586 AGAIN, HAS BEEN TO SUPPORT CORE FACILITIES. 3019 02:13:30,586 --> 02:13:31,887 WE HAVE A MICROSCOPY CORE, 3020 02:13:31,887 --> 02:13:33,622 WE HAVE A CELL ELECTROPHYSIOLOGY CORE 3021 02:13:33,622 --> 02:13:35,991 THAT'S UNIQUE IN THE STATE OF DELAWARE. 3022 02:13:35,991 --> 02:13:37,493 PATCH CLAMP, RIGHT? 3023 02:13:37,493 --> 02:13:40,033 YOU KNOW, NOT CARDIAC ELECTROPHYSIOLOGY BUT PATCH 3024 02:13:40,033 --> 02:13:40,396 CLAMP. 3025 02:13:40,396 --> 02:13:42,798 AND THEN OUR ANIMAL FACILITY. 3026 02:13:44,967 --> 02:13:46,902 THAT'S BEEN REALLY KEY. 3027 02:13:48,671 --> 02:13:49,605 AS WELL AS, 3028 02:13:53,709 --> 02:13:55,211 YEAH, I GUESS, SO. 3029 02:13:56,078 --> 02:13:56,912 NOW I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT, 3030 02:13:56,912 --> 02:13:59,949 BUT HAVING THESE CENTERS THAT CAN SUPPORT THE INVESTIGATORS, 3031 02:13:59,949 --> 02:14:04,386 OH, AND THE BIOINFORMATICS/BIOSTATS CORE 3032 02:14:04,386 --> 02:14:07,489 THAT'S PART OF THE CTR GRANT. 3033 02:14:07,489 --> 02:14:10,659 THE THING WE STRUGGLE WITH, RIGHT, IS PUBLICATION. 3034 02:14:10,659 --> 02:14:12,695 SO PILOT GRANTS ARE REALLY KEY, 3035 02:14:12,695 --> 02:14:14,763 THESE KIND OF TRAINING WHEELS ARE REALLY KEY 3036 02:14:14,763 --> 02:14:18,400 FOR ALLOWING INVESTIGATORS TO COLLECT SOME PRELIMINARY DATA. 3037 02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:20,236 BUT THEN THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT THING, RIGHT, 3038 02:14:20,236 --> 02:14:22,571 YOU CAN'T GET FUNDED IF YOU DON'T HAVE PUBLICATIONS, RIGHT, 3039 02:14:22,571 --> 02:14:25,341 IS GETTING THEM TO THE POINT 3040 02:14:25,341 --> 02:14:28,711 WHERE THEY CAN GET THEIR PUBLICATIONS, 3041 02:14:28,711 --> 02:14:30,312 OR GET THEIR RESEARCH IN PUBLICATIONS. 3042 02:14:30,312 --> 02:14:32,815 AND THAT'S WHERE THE MENTORS HELPED A LOT TOO. 3043 02:14:32,815 --> 02:14:36,051 IN SOME CASES, MENTORS WOUND UP COLLABORATING 3044 02:14:36,051 --> 02:14:37,186 ON PUBLICATIONS, 3045 02:14:37,186 --> 02:14:40,756 ON THOSE FIRST PUBLICATIONS WITH THE INVESTIGATORS. 3046 02:14:40,756 --> 02:14:43,225 WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, EH, IS THIS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST 3047 02:14:43,225 --> 02:14:45,160 AND WRESTLING RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, 3048 02:14:45,160 --> 02:14:45,995 BUT THEN WE THOUGHT, NO, 3049 02:14:45,995 --> 02:14:48,731 THIS IS HELPING OUR INVESTIGATORS BE SUCCESSFUL 3050 02:14:48,731 --> 02:14:50,132 SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEM OUT THERE. 3051 02:14:50,132 --> 02:14:51,734 AND TRAINING THE INVESTIGATORS, 3052 02:14:51,734 --> 02:14:54,303 OUR INVESTIGATORS, TO SAY, 3053 02:14:54,303 --> 02:14:56,939 ASK TO BE THE SENIOR AUTHOR. 3054 02:14:56,939 --> 02:14:58,507 YOU KNOW, DON'T JUST, 3055 02:14:58,507 --> 02:15:00,976 IF SOMEBODY'S GONNA WRITE A PAPER FOR YOU, 3056 02:15:00,976 --> 02:15:02,111 IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD. 3057 02:15:02,111 --> 02:15:03,145 WHEN YOU'RE A FACULTY MEMBER, 3058 02:15:03,145 --> 02:15:05,214 IT DOES YOU NO GOOD TO BE THE SECOND AUTHOR. 3059 02:15:05,214 --> 02:15:07,283 DOES YOU ONLY A LITTLE BIT MORE GOOD TO BE THE FIRST AUTHOR. 3060 02:15:07,283 --> 02:15:08,917 YOU NEED TO BE THE SENIOR AUTHOR, RIGHT? 3061 02:15:08,917 --> 02:15:12,755 AND SO GIVING THEM THE BACKING TO ASK FOR THAT 3062 02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:17,793 AND EXPECT THAT FROM THE PEOPLE THEY'RE WORKING WITH 3063 02:15:17,793 --> 02:15:21,664 AS A WAY TO HELP THEM BECOME MORE COMPETITIVE. 3064 02:15:21,664 --> 02:15:22,931 SO. 3065 02:15:22,931 --> 02:15:27,503 OH, AND THEN THE LAST THING IS PERSISTENCE, RIGHT? 3066 02:15:27,503 --> 02:15:30,539 THAT, I JUST CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH. 3067 02:15:30,539 --> 02:15:32,841 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COBRE GRANT HELPED WITH 3068 02:15:32,841 --> 02:15:35,010 AND OUR RCMI GRANT HELPED WITH 3069 02:15:35,010 --> 02:15:37,613 IS WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FIRST PROPOSAL, 3070 02:15:37,613 --> 02:15:39,748 AND THESE DAYS NOBODY, 3071 02:15:39,748 --> 02:15:42,351 ALMOST NOBODY GETS, YOU KNOW, 3072 02:15:42,351 --> 02:15:44,586 LUCKY ON THE FIRST TIME, RIGHT? 3073 02:15:44,586 --> 02:15:48,424 BUT IT'S GIVING THEM THE UNDERSTANDING 3074 02:15:48,424 --> 02:15:50,659 THAT THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS. 3075 02:15:50,659 --> 02:15:51,994 THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. 3076 02:15:51,994 --> 02:15:53,028 THEY'VE GIVEN YOU FEEDBACK, RIGHT? 3077 02:15:53,028 --> 02:15:56,365 THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE YOUR PROPOSAL SUCCESSFUL. 3078 02:15:56,365 --> 02:16:00,002 AND HAVING THAT STRUCTURE TO HELP SUPPORT THEM 3079 02:16:00,002 --> 02:16:01,303 TO KEEP TRYING, 3080 02:16:01,303 --> 02:16:02,604 TO TRY AGAIN, TO TRY AGAIN, 3081 02:16:02,604 --> 02:16:05,040 AND HOW TO MAKE THEIR PROPOSAL BETTER 3082 02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:09,611 HAS ALSO BEEN REALLY IMPORTANT FOR GETTING THEM FUNDED. 3083 02:16:09,611 --> 02:16:11,280 AND I'LL STOP THERE. 3084 02:16:20,389 --> 02:16:21,590 - GOOD AFTERNOON. 3085 02:16:21,590 --> 02:16:23,459 I'M LUCILE ADAMS-CAMPBELL, 3086 02:16:23,459 --> 02:16:26,295 AND I'M A PROFESSOR OF ONCOLOGY. 3087 02:16:26,295 --> 02:16:29,932 I'M AT GEORGETOWN LOMBARDI COMPREHENSIVE CANCER CENTER. 3088 02:16:29,932 --> 02:16:31,834 AND I AM NOT AT A HBCU. 3089 02:16:33,969 --> 02:16:37,039 HOWEVER, MY PATH TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY 3090 02:16:38,674 --> 02:16:43,178 WAS VIA MY TRAINING AT UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH. 3091 02:16:43,178 --> 02:16:48,150 GOING FROM THERE TO NEW ENGLAND RESEARCH INSTITUTE, 3092 02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:51,487 THEN COMING BACK TO DC, WHICH IS MY HOME. 3093 02:16:51,487 --> 02:16:53,489 BUT I CALLED NIH TO ASK, 3094 02:16:55,924 --> 02:16:57,893 SHOULD I COME TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY? 3095 02:16:57,893 --> 02:16:58,727 THEY'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT ME, 3096 02:16:58,727 --> 02:17:01,063 SO WAS JOHNS HOPKINS. 3097 02:17:01,063 --> 02:17:02,965 AND THEY REALLY CONVINCED ME 3098 02:17:02,965 --> 02:17:07,536 THAT GOING TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA 3099 02:17:07,536 --> 02:17:10,773 BECAUSE I WAS SO TRAINED IN DOING RESEARCH. 3100 02:17:10,773 --> 02:17:12,908 SO THEY SAID, "WELL, AT LEAST WE KNOW YOU 3101 02:17:12,908 --> 02:17:15,711 AND WE KNOW YOU'LL BE AT HOWARD, 3102 02:17:15,711 --> 02:17:17,679 AND THIS SHOULD WORK OUT QUITE WELL." 3103 02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:18,514 AND IT DID. 3104 02:17:18,514 --> 02:17:21,150 SO I SPENT 18 YEARS AT HOWARD, 3105 02:17:21,150 --> 02:17:22,351 ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN AT GEORGETOWN, 3106 02:17:22,351 --> 02:17:23,986 WE'RE GOING INTO MY 17TH YEAR, 3107 02:17:23,986 --> 02:17:26,121 BUT I WAS DIRECTOR OF HOWARD UNIVERSITY CANCER CENTER 3108 02:17:26,121 --> 02:17:27,823 FOR 13 YEARS. 3109 02:17:27,823 --> 02:17:31,527 AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHEN I STARTED, 3110 02:17:31,527 --> 02:17:33,462 I, AS A DIRECTOR, 3111 02:17:33,462 --> 02:17:35,664 I MADE EVERYBODY SIGN A DOCUMENT, 3112 02:17:35,664 --> 02:17:37,399 WHICH IS PROBABLY ILLEGAL, 3113 02:17:37,399 --> 02:17:38,233 (ATTENDEES LAUGHING) 3114 02:17:38,233 --> 02:17:42,237 THAT SAID THAT YOU HAD TO WRITE A GRANT EVERY CYCLE. 3115 02:17:42,237 --> 02:17:47,009 SO WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY THAT TALK ABOUT PERSISTENCE. 3116 02:17:47,009 --> 02:17:49,812 EVERY CYCLE, YOU HAVE TO WRITE A GRANT. 3117 02:17:49,812 --> 02:17:51,180 SO YOU SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE TWO GRANTS 3118 02:17:51,180 --> 02:17:52,981 OPERATING THE SAME TIME. 3119 02:17:52,981 --> 02:17:54,850 WE'RE WAITING FOR REVIEWS TO COME BACK, 3120 02:17:54,850 --> 02:17:55,884 THE SUMMARY STATEMENTS, 3121 02:17:55,884 --> 02:17:56,852 AND GO ON. 3122 02:17:56,852 --> 02:17:58,253 AND PEOPLE HAVE SAID TODAY, 3123 02:17:58,253 --> 02:17:59,655 THE FACULTY HAVE SAID TODAY, 3124 02:17:59,655 --> 02:18:01,657 TALKED ABOUT PERSEVERANCE. 3125 02:18:01,657 --> 02:18:02,991 I KNOW TOO MANY PEOPLE 3126 02:18:02,991 --> 02:18:04,927 WHEN THEY READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 3127 02:18:04,927 --> 02:18:07,796 THEY GIVE UP ON THAT PROJECT AND GO DO SOMETHING ELSE. 3128 02:18:07,796 --> 02:18:09,765 AND THAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO. 3129 02:18:09,765 --> 02:18:11,900 YOU REALLY HAVE TO FOLLOW YOUR IDEAS 3130 02:18:11,900 --> 02:18:15,471 AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT GRANT A BETTER GRANT. 3131 02:18:15,471 --> 02:18:17,072 BECAUSE IF YOU KEEP CHANGING GRANTS 3132 02:18:17,072 --> 02:18:18,440 EVERY TIME YOU GET A SUMMARY STATEMENT, 3133 02:18:18,440 --> 02:18:20,108 YOU'LL END UP NOWHERE. 3134 02:18:20,108 --> 02:18:24,246 AND THAT'S A BIG FALLACY I SEE IN MANY OF THE INSTITUTIONS. 3135 02:18:24,246 --> 02:18:25,647 WELL, I WROTE ON THIS TOPIC TODAY, 3136 02:18:25,647 --> 02:18:27,282 BUT THEY BASHED ME. 3137 02:18:27,282 --> 02:18:29,117 ACTUALLY READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 3138 02:18:29,117 --> 02:18:30,586 PUT IT AWAY, 3139 02:18:30,586 --> 02:18:31,820 AND THEN COME BACK TO IT 3140 02:18:31,820 --> 02:18:34,122 AND READ IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. 3141 02:18:34,122 --> 02:18:35,757 WHEN YOU FIRST READ IT, YOUR FEELINGS ARE HURT, 3142 02:18:35,757 --> 02:18:36,892 YOU'RE CRUSHED, 3143 02:18:36,892 --> 02:18:38,961 THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. 3144 02:18:38,961 --> 02:18:42,531 BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO KEEP PRESSING FORWARD. 3145 02:18:44,266 --> 02:18:45,801 BEING AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY, 3146 02:18:45,801 --> 02:18:47,936 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME INITIALLY 3147 02:18:47,936 --> 02:18:50,172 WAS THE COLLABORATIONS. 3148 02:18:50,172 --> 02:18:52,374 AND I ALWAYS HEARD FROM BASIC SCIENCE 3149 02:18:52,374 --> 02:18:55,143 JUST THAT THEY WILL STEAL MY SCIENCE. 3150 02:18:55,143 --> 02:18:57,145 MY RESPONSE WAS, 3151 02:18:57,145 --> 02:18:58,313 YOU'RE NOT PUBLISHING, 3152 02:18:58,313 --> 02:19:00,782 SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA STEAL ANYTHING. 3153 02:19:00,782 --> 02:19:04,620 IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOURS UNTIL YOU PUBLISH WHAT YOU'VE DONE. 3154 02:19:04,620 --> 02:19:07,923 SO WE STARTED ESTABLISHING COLLABORATORS 3155 02:19:08,957 --> 02:19:11,927 AND PARTNERS AND CONSULTANTS. 3156 02:19:11,927 --> 02:19:13,161 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A COLLABORATOR, 3157 02:19:13,161 --> 02:19:14,496 A FORMAL COLLABORATOR ALL THE TIME, 3158 02:19:14,496 --> 02:19:15,597 BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE CONSULTANTS. 3159 02:19:15,597 --> 02:19:17,566 I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY AND SAYING, 3160 02:19:17,566 --> 02:19:20,035 YOU CAN HAVE COLLABORATIVE, PARTNERS ON YOUR GRANT, 3161 02:19:20,035 --> 02:19:23,005 BUT YOU MIGHT NOT WANNA GIVE ANYBODY ANY MONEY 3162 02:19:23,005 --> 02:19:24,540 OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. 3163 02:19:24,540 --> 02:19:25,507 MAKE 'EM A CONSULTANT. 3164 02:19:25,507 --> 02:19:26,942 WHY DO YOU MAKE THEM A CONSULTANT? 3165 02:19:26,942 --> 02:19:30,579 BECAUSE THEIR BIOSKETCH MIGHT BE MUCH STRONGER 3166 02:19:30,579 --> 02:19:32,147 THAN YOUR BIOSKETCH. 3167 02:19:32,147 --> 02:19:35,884 AND IT BRINGS THAT NAME TO THE FRONT TO THE REVIEWERS. 3168 02:19:35,884 --> 02:19:37,486 IT'S A SHAME OF HOW THINGS WORK, 3169 02:19:37,486 --> 02:19:38,987 BUT IT'S REALITY. 3170 02:19:38,987 --> 02:19:41,757 YOU KNOW, NAME RECOGNITION SOMETIMES GOES A LONG WAY. 3171 02:19:41,757 --> 02:19:43,425 SOMETIMES IT GETS YOU KILLED, 3172 02:19:43,425 --> 02:19:44,293 BUT AT THE SAME TIME, 3173 02:19:44,293 --> 02:19:47,396 YOU HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP MOUND YOU OUT, 3174 02:19:47,396 --> 02:19:49,064 SO TO SPEAK. 3175 02:19:49,064 --> 02:19:51,500 THE IDEA OF PRELIMINARY DATA. 3176 02:19:52,568 --> 02:19:55,504 PEOPLE WANNA WRITE A GRANT WITH NO PRELIMINARY DATA. 3177 02:19:55,504 --> 02:19:57,573 IT DOESN'T WORK. 3178 02:19:57,573 --> 02:19:58,774 AND HOW DO YOU GET PRELIMINARY DATA? 3179 02:19:58,774 --> 02:20:01,476 THAT'S WHEN YOU NEED THE INSTITUTION TO HELP SOMETIMES, 3180 02:20:01,476 --> 02:20:03,679 TO GIVE SOME PILOT FUNDS OUT. 3181 02:20:03,679 --> 02:20:04,580 OR WORK WITH SOMEBODY 3182 02:20:04,580 --> 02:20:07,115 THAT YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME PRELIMINARY DATA 3183 02:20:07,115 --> 02:20:08,584 SO THAT YOU CAN WRITE A PUBLICATION. 3184 02:20:08,584 --> 02:20:10,319 OR THE FIRST THING I HAVE ANYBODY DO 3185 02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:14,323 WHEN THEY'RE WORKING WITH ME IS TO PICK A TOPIC 3186 02:20:14,323 --> 02:20:15,891 YOU WANNA WRITE A GRANT ON. 3187 02:20:15,891 --> 02:20:17,326 BUT THEN LET'S SIT DOWN 3188 02:20:17,326 --> 02:20:19,127 AND ACTUALLY SEE YOU WRITE OUT 3189 02:20:19,127 --> 02:20:21,763 AND HAND ME YOUR ONE-, TWO-, 3190 02:20:21,763 --> 02:20:24,266 OR THREE-PAGE PRELIMINARY DATA SECTION. 3191 02:20:24,266 --> 02:20:26,535 THAT'S WHAT GUIDES WHICH WAY YOU'LL GO 3192 02:20:26,535 --> 02:20:28,704 AND HOW STRONG YOUR PROJECT WILL BE 3193 02:20:28,704 --> 02:20:32,507 SO THAT YOU CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE THAT CAN WORK WITH YOU. 3194 02:20:32,507 --> 02:20:34,109 WE ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT THE R01S. 3195 02:20:34,109 --> 02:20:35,877 GOTTA GET AN R01, WE GOTTA GET AN R01, 3196 02:20:35,877 --> 02:20:40,115 BUT THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF MECHANISMS OUT THERE. 3197 02:20:40,115 --> 02:20:42,718 AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO START WITH AN R01. 3198 02:20:42,718 --> 02:20:45,654 MAYBE IF YOU'RE JUST STARTING AT R03 OR R21 3199 02:20:45,654 --> 02:20:47,889 OR SOME OTHER LEVEL, 3200 02:20:47,889 --> 02:20:49,524 AND BUILD UP. 3201 02:20:49,524 --> 02:20:52,361 BUT THE PRESSURE'S ALWAYS ON YOU TO GET AN R01. 3202 02:20:52,361 --> 02:20:53,662 AND THAT'S GREAT, 3203 02:20:53,662 --> 02:20:55,430 BUT SOMETIMES YOU'RE JUST NOT READY. 3204 02:20:55,430 --> 02:20:56,999 IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PRELIMINARY DATA, 3205 02:20:56,999 --> 02:20:59,668 YOU MIGHT NEED TO GO TO A SMALLER MECHANISM. 3206 02:20:59,668 --> 02:21:03,305 AND FROM THAT, YOU CAN BUILD FROM THERE. 3207 02:21:03,305 --> 02:21:06,608 I JUST WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PEER REVIEW PROCESS 3208 02:21:06,608 --> 02:21:08,944 THAT WAS ALREADY ALLUDED TO. 3209 02:21:10,979 --> 02:21:12,648 WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 3210 02:21:12,648 --> 02:21:15,717 AT THE BACK, IT LISTS EVERYBODY WHO REVIEWED YOUR GRANT. 3211 02:21:15,717 --> 02:21:18,153 AND YOU'LL SAY, THAT PERSON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT I DO, 3212 02:21:18,153 --> 02:21:20,422 THAT PERSON KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT WHAT I DO. 3213 02:21:20,422 --> 02:21:23,592 SO YOU HAVE TO BE SO CLEAR ON WHAT YOU DO 3214 02:21:23,592 --> 02:21:26,461 SUCH THAT ANYBODY CAN READ IT. 3215 02:21:26,461 --> 02:21:28,196 BUT STILL WE ARGUE, 3216 02:21:28,196 --> 02:21:29,097 IT'S NOT FAIR, 3217 02:21:29,097 --> 02:21:30,332 THEY'RE NOT IN THIS FIELD, 3218 02:21:30,332 --> 02:21:31,366 THEY'RE NOT IN THAT FIELD, 3219 02:21:31,366 --> 02:21:33,201 THEY'RE NOT IN THE RIGHT FIELD TO STUDY IT. 3220 02:21:33,201 --> 02:21:34,903 BUT MAYBE THE LUCK OF THE STRAW 3221 02:21:34,903 --> 02:21:38,040 OR THE WORST PART ABOUT THIS RANDOMNESS, 3222 02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:41,043 IT HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY AT ALL LEVELS, 3223 02:21:41,043 --> 02:21:43,045 THAT YOU WANNA GET A GREAT REVIEW, 3224 02:21:43,045 --> 02:21:45,480 BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR GRANT SO CLEAR AND CRISP 3225 02:21:45,480 --> 02:21:47,215 THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. 3226 02:21:48,950 --> 02:21:52,387 I WANNA GO BACK TO DON'T GIVE UP. 3227 02:21:52,387 --> 02:21:54,322 I THINK PEOPLE QUIT SO SOON. 3228 02:21:54,322 --> 02:21:55,257 I HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANNA GO 3229 02:21:55,257 --> 02:21:58,093 INTO ADMINISTRATION REALLY QUICKLY 3230 02:21:58,093 --> 02:22:02,264 SO THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WRITE ANY MORE GRANTS. 3231 02:22:03,131 --> 02:22:04,332 THERE'S A BRANCH CHIEF OUT HERE, 3232 02:22:04,332 --> 02:22:05,634 I WON'T CALL HER NAME, 3233 02:22:05,634 --> 02:22:08,870 SHE WAS AN OUTSTANDING POSTDOC OF MINE. 3234 02:22:10,772 --> 02:22:12,541 SHE'S A BRANCH CHIEF NOW. 3235 02:22:12,541 --> 02:22:15,010 SOMEBODY ELSE WAS OUTSTANDING, 3236 02:22:15,010 --> 02:22:17,312 AND THE PERSON WOULD SAY AT NIH, 3237 02:22:17,312 --> 02:22:18,947 "WELL, WE FIGURED IF YOU DIDN'T FIRE THEM, 3238 02:22:18,947 --> 02:22:20,682 THEY WERE GREAT TO HIRE." 3239 02:22:20,682 --> 02:22:24,386 SO THEY PLUCKED OFF A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY GOOD, 3240 02:22:24,386 --> 02:22:26,188 BUT EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANNA WRITE GRANTS. 3241 02:22:26,188 --> 02:22:28,056 WE WANT YOU TO WANT TO WRITE GRANTS 3242 02:22:28,056 --> 02:22:29,057 IN THIS MEETING. 3243 02:22:29,057 --> 02:22:33,729 WE HOPE YOU REALLY WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL IN WRITING GRANTS. 3244 02:22:33,729 --> 02:22:37,099 WE ALSO ESTABLISHED SOMETHING CALLED MOCK REVIEWS. 3245 02:22:37,099 --> 02:22:40,368 WHEN YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC AIMS PAGE, 3246 02:22:40,368 --> 02:22:43,071 WE CALL IT IDEA WHERE WE HAVE THE SPECIFIC AIMS PART. 3247 02:22:43,071 --> 02:22:44,172 HERE, IDEA. 3248 02:22:44,172 --> 02:22:46,775 SO YOU HAVE AN IDEA/CONCEPT, 3249 02:22:46,775 --> 02:22:49,578 BRING IT FORWARD, LET PEOPLE DISCUSS IT. 3250 02:22:49,578 --> 02:22:52,447 I DON'T THINK THE FEAR OF SOMEBODY STEALING YOUR IDEA 3251 02:22:52,447 --> 02:22:53,715 SHOULD BE SO PERVASIVE 3252 02:22:53,715 --> 02:22:56,084 OR MAKE CERTAIN YOUR CIRCLE IS CLOSED. 3253 02:22:56,084 --> 02:22:57,519 BUT IF YOU PUBLISH, 3254 02:22:57,519 --> 02:22:59,855 YOU GET MORE OWNERSHIP TO IT. 3255 02:22:59,855 --> 02:23:02,090 AND THEN HAVING A MOCK STUDY SECTION. 3256 02:23:02,090 --> 02:23:06,294 LET PEOPLE SIT AND REVIEW YOUR GRANTS IN FRONT OF YOU. 3257 02:23:06,294 --> 02:23:08,096 THAT'S A EYE-OPENER. 3258 02:23:08,096 --> 02:23:10,465 WE HAVE OUR COLLEAGUES SIT THERE, 3259 02:23:10,465 --> 02:23:12,834 WE SUBMIT THE GRANTS TO THEM MAYBE, 3260 02:23:12,834 --> 02:23:15,137 AND WE MAKE ALL OF OUR JUNIOR FACULTY DO THIS. 3261 02:23:15,137 --> 02:23:17,973 WE SUBMIT THE GRANTS TO THEM FOR LIKE SIX WEEKS, 3262 02:23:17,973 --> 02:23:20,408 NOT SIX WEEKS, THREE WEEKS IN ADVANCE. 3263 02:23:20,408 --> 02:23:21,376 AND THEN WE COME 3264 02:23:21,376 --> 02:23:24,746 AND WE'LL LINE UP LIKE THIS AND DO THE REVIEW. 3265 02:23:24,746 --> 02:23:28,250 AND WE ALSO WILL GIVE A WRITTEN REVIEW. 3266 02:23:28,250 --> 02:23:31,153 AND OUR CANCER PREVENTION AND CONTROL PROGRAM 3267 02:23:31,153 --> 02:23:32,687 HAS THE HISTORY OF DOING THIS 3268 02:23:32,687 --> 02:23:34,256 AND HAS DONE IT THE LONGEST. 3269 02:23:34,256 --> 02:23:38,193 AND WE HAVE A VERY GOOD TRACK RECORD OF GETTING FUNDED. 3270 02:23:38,193 --> 02:23:41,530 SO OUR MECHANISM REALLY, REALLY WORKS. 3271 02:23:41,530 --> 02:23:43,598 AND I THINK IF YOU GET OTHER PEOPLE TO BUY IN, 3272 02:23:43,598 --> 02:23:46,802 IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED THERE, 3273 02:23:46,802 --> 02:23:47,769 PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL 3274 02:23:47,769 --> 02:23:50,438 AND GET SOME PEOPLE FROM OTHER INSTITUTIONS 3275 02:23:50,438 --> 02:23:52,841 AND PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE KNOWN AND THAT YOU CAN TRUST. 3276 02:23:52,841 --> 02:23:55,544 BUT EVERYBODY DOESN'T WANNA STEAL YOUR IDEA, 3277 02:23:55,544 --> 02:23:57,312 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR IDEAS AS WELL. 3278 02:23:57,312 --> 02:23:59,381 AND I THINK PEOPLE GET LOST IN THAT IDEA 3279 02:23:59,381 --> 02:24:02,217 ABOUT WE NEED TO TAKE FROM PEOPLE. 3280 02:24:04,653 --> 02:24:05,487 WHAT ELSE? 3281 02:24:06,788 --> 02:24:09,925 THE DIFFERENT GRANTS AND MENTORING, 3282 02:24:09,925 --> 02:24:11,359 AS YOU TALKED ABOUT. 3283 02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:12,794 MENTORING IS SO IMPORTANT, 3284 02:24:12,794 --> 02:24:15,664 AND I STILL HAVE A MENTOR, 3285 02:24:15,664 --> 02:24:19,067 AND I'M AT THE END END TOWARDS MY CAREER. 3286 02:24:20,101 --> 02:24:22,637 AND I THINK THAT YOU DON'T NEED ONE MENTOR, 3287 02:24:22,637 --> 02:24:25,674 YOU NEED A LITTLE COHORT OF MENTORS. 3288 02:24:25,674 --> 02:24:28,143 IT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE, 3289 02:24:28,143 --> 02:24:31,046 BUT THEY MENTOR YOU IN DIFFERENT FACETS OF LIFE, 3290 02:24:31,046 --> 02:24:33,081 DIFFERENT THINGS. 3291 02:24:33,081 --> 02:24:36,218 ONE PERSON MIGHT WORK DIRECTLY ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING, 3292 02:24:36,218 --> 02:24:37,819 BUT SOMEBODY ELSE CAN COMPLIMENT YOU 3293 02:24:37,819 --> 02:24:40,589 IN TERMS OF HOW YOU KEEP YOUR CAREER GOING FORWARD. 3294 02:24:40,589 --> 02:24:43,191 AND I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE MENTORING TEAMS. 3295 02:24:43,191 --> 02:24:46,962 I DON'T THINK PEOPLE GET ALONG WELL WITHOUT MENTORING TEAMS. 3296 02:24:46,962 --> 02:24:48,430 AND MY MENTOR HAS BEEN, 3297 02:24:48,430 --> 02:24:50,665 FOR DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES, 3298 02:24:50,665 --> 02:24:54,502 THE CHAIR OF THE EPIDEMIOLOGY DEPARTMENT 3299 02:24:54,502 --> 02:24:55,937 AND THE BIOSTATISTICS DEPARTMENT 3300 02:24:55,937 --> 02:24:57,939 AT UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH. 3301 02:24:57,939 --> 02:24:59,808 I'VE KEPT IN TOUCH. 3302 02:24:59,808 --> 02:25:02,544 UNFORTUNATELY, MY CHAIR OF EPIDEM DIED RECENTLY, 3303 02:25:02,544 --> 02:25:04,579 BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE 3304 02:25:04,579 --> 02:25:06,848 THAT COULD ALWAYS ADVISE ME. 3305 02:25:06,848 --> 02:25:10,118 AND I THINK THAT IF I CAN SAY THAT I STILL HAVE MENTORS, 3306 02:25:10,118 --> 02:25:13,788 I THINK THAT MANY OF YOU CAN REACH OUT TO HAVE MENTORS 3307 02:25:13,788 --> 02:25:16,691 THAT YOU REALLY, REALLY NEED THAT COULD REALLY BENEFIT YOU. 3308 02:25:16,691 --> 02:25:17,726 AND EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE, 3309 02:25:17,726 --> 02:25:19,327 IF YOU DON'T DO IT, 3310 02:25:21,830 --> 02:25:25,667 YOUR INDEPENDENT, THE IDP, PERSONAL STATEMENT. 3311 02:25:25,667 --> 02:25:29,104 YOU NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND SET GOALS FOR YOURSELF. 3312 02:25:29,104 --> 02:25:30,839 EVEN AS WE SIT HERE TODAY, 3313 02:25:30,839 --> 02:25:33,508 YOU MIGHT BE ASSISTANT, ASSOCIATE, FULL PROFESSORS. 3314 02:25:33,508 --> 02:25:34,409 WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS? 3315 02:25:34,409 --> 02:25:35,443 LIKE, DO YOU HAVE A GOAL 3316 02:25:35,443 --> 02:25:38,113 OF GETTING SO MANY PAPERS OUT IN A YEAR? 3317 02:25:38,113 --> 02:25:42,117 DO YOU HAVE A GOAL OF SUBMITTING A GRANT EVERY CYCLE? 3318 02:25:42,117 --> 02:25:45,086 DO YOU HAVE A GOAL OF LOOKING AT DIFFERENT MECHANISMS? 3319 02:25:45,086 --> 02:25:47,889 AND ONE THING THAT I NOTE THAT NIH DOES QUITE WELL, 3320 02:25:47,889 --> 02:25:49,357 THEY HAVE WEBINARS 3321 02:25:49,357 --> 02:25:51,526 ON THE MECHANISMS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT. 3322 02:25:51,526 --> 02:25:53,428 AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE MECHANISMS 3323 02:25:53,428 --> 02:25:55,997 AND ALSO MEET WITH YOUR PROGRAM OFFICER 3324 02:25:55,997 --> 02:25:59,200 THAT'S IN CHARGE OF THAT MECHANISM. 3325 02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:02,570 FOR EXAMPLE, I'M READING AN RFA 3326 02:26:02,570 --> 02:26:05,440 THAT SAYS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, 3327 02:26:05,440 --> 02:26:09,644 BUT I HAVE A MEETING WITH THE OFFICER AT NIH, 3328 02:26:09,644 --> 02:26:10,946 AND I GO AND MEET WITH THEM. 3329 02:26:10,946 --> 02:26:12,080 AND I SAID, "WE HAVE THIS." 3330 02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:14,282 THEY SAID, "BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IT MEANS." 3331 02:26:14,282 --> 02:26:16,551 I SAID, "BUT IT SAYS THAT." 3332 02:26:16,551 --> 02:26:18,787 "THAT'S WHY WE WANT YOU TO COME MEET WITH US." 3333 02:26:18,787 --> 02:26:22,223 AND THAT ONE THING ABOUT MEETING 3334 02:26:22,223 --> 02:26:25,260 WHERE THEY CLARIFY WHAT EVERYTHING MEANT 3335 02:26:25,260 --> 02:26:26,094 MEANT THE WORLD TO US. 3336 02:26:26,094 --> 02:26:27,829 AND DURING THAT CYCLE, 3337 02:26:27,829 --> 02:26:31,199 WE WERE THE ONLY PARTNERSHIP THAT WAS FUNDED. 3338 02:26:31,199 --> 02:26:34,903 AND I WORK CONTINUOUSLY WITH HOWARD UNIVERSITY, 3339 02:26:34,903 --> 02:26:36,805 HAVE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH UDC, 3340 02:26:36,805 --> 02:26:38,606 UNIVERSITY OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, 3341 02:26:38,606 --> 02:26:41,076 THE INTERFACE WITH NCCU. 3342 02:26:41,076 --> 02:26:44,312 SO I'M JUST SAYING I BELIEVE IN PARTNERING, 3343 02:26:44,312 --> 02:26:45,180 BUT WHEN YOU PARTNER, 3344 02:26:45,180 --> 02:26:48,083 ALSO YOU SHOULD BE PAID AND COMPENSATED 3345 02:26:48,083 --> 02:26:50,018 FOR WHAT YOU DO. 3346 02:26:50,018 --> 02:26:52,554 IT CANNOT BE ONE WAY. 3347 02:26:52,554 --> 02:26:54,255 IT WON'T BE 50/50, 3348 02:26:54,255 --> 02:26:56,358 I'LL TELL YOU STRAIGHT OUT, IT WON'T BE. 3349 02:26:56,358 --> 02:26:59,127 BUT FOR WHAT YOU ARE COMMISSIONED TO DO 3350 02:26:59,127 --> 02:27:02,397 OR WHAT YOU AGREE TO DO AND HOW YOU COLLABORATE, 3351 02:27:02,397 --> 02:27:04,833 YOU SHOULD BE PAID ACCORDINGLY. 3352 02:27:04,833 --> 02:27:07,369 AND THAT BRINGS ME TO THE LAST TOPIC WE WANNA TALK ABOUT, 3353 02:27:07,369 --> 02:27:09,371 AND THAT'S SUBCONTRACTS. 3354 02:27:09,371 --> 02:27:12,974 UGH, SUBCONTRACTS OFTEN ARE VERY DIFFICULT, 3355 02:27:13,842 --> 02:27:17,445 AND MAYBE YOUR HBCU IS VERY GOOD AT IT. 3356 02:27:17,445 --> 02:27:21,116 I'VE SEEN AND WITNESSED HOW AT THE END OF THE GRANT, 3357 02:27:21,116 --> 02:27:22,617 MONEY HAS NOT BEEN SPENT. 3358 02:27:22,617 --> 02:27:25,253 THE POST-AWARD SIDE HASN'T BEEN SPENT DOWN 3359 02:27:25,253 --> 02:27:29,157 BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T HIRE THE PEOPLE THEY NEED. 3360 02:27:30,058 --> 02:27:31,760 AND EVEN WHEN YOU SUBMIT A GRANT AND YOU SAY, 3361 02:27:31,760 --> 02:27:33,862 "I NEED A HALF FTE," 3362 02:27:33,862 --> 02:27:35,363 OR SOMEBODY ON THE REVIEW TEAM SAID, 3363 02:27:35,363 --> 02:27:37,232 "WELL, THAT PERSON ONLY NEEDS A HALF FTE." 3364 02:27:37,232 --> 02:27:39,100 AT MOST HBCUS, 3365 02:27:39,100 --> 02:27:41,236 THERE'S NOT THE OTHER HALF TO MATCH IT WITH. 3366 02:27:41,236 --> 02:27:43,371 YOU NEED THE FULL FTE. 3367 02:27:43,371 --> 02:27:45,440 BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THE PERSON. 3368 02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:47,942 AND OFTEN HIRING IS SLOW. 3369 02:27:47,942 --> 02:27:49,611 AND THEN IF IT'S SO SLOW, 3370 02:27:49,611 --> 02:27:51,279 THEN YOU DON'T SPEND THE MONEY, 3371 02:27:51,279 --> 02:27:53,314 AND THEN YOU TRY TO ASK FOR CARRY FORWARD, 3372 02:27:53,314 --> 02:27:55,350 AND THEN THEY QUESTION YOU ABOUT CARRY FORWARD, 3373 02:27:55,350 --> 02:27:57,485 SO IT BECOMES A VICIOUS CYCLE. 3374 02:27:57,485 --> 02:27:58,553 SO I DO THINK 3375 02:28:00,221 --> 02:28:03,024 EVERYBODY CAN FIND A NICHE 3376 02:28:03,024 --> 02:28:04,893 THAT THEY CAN PURSUE, 3377 02:28:04,893 --> 02:28:06,227 BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, 3378 02:28:06,227 --> 02:28:07,996 TRY TO COLLABORATE AND PARTNER 3379 02:28:07,996 --> 02:28:09,831 OR FIND CONSULTANTS TO WORK WITH YOU, 3380 02:28:09,831 --> 02:28:12,901 BECAUSE I THINK THAT EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE 3381 02:28:12,901 --> 02:28:15,804 TO MOUNT A LITTLE RESEARCH PROGRAM. 3382 02:28:17,372 --> 02:28:18,640 IT CAN GROW AND GROW, 3383 02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:21,543 AND I JUST DONE MANY PROJECTS THAT HAD, 3384 02:28:21,543 --> 02:28:24,846 LIKE THE MINORITY PARTNERSHIP GRANTS, THE RCMIS, 3385 02:28:24,846 --> 02:28:26,915 THEY HAVE SO MANY PROGRAMS OUT HERE 3386 02:28:26,915 --> 02:28:29,217 THAT REALLY COULD BENEFIT MANY, MANY PEOPLE. 3387 02:28:29,217 --> 02:28:30,285 SO I'LL STOP. 3388 02:28:35,857 --> 02:28:37,592 - OKAY, OKAY, WOW, THANK YOU. 3389 02:28:37,592 --> 02:28:39,561 FIRST OF ALL, A HAND FOR OUR PANEL. 3390 02:28:39,561 --> 02:28:42,664 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 3391 02:28:44,132 --> 02:28:44,966 THANK YOU SO MUCH, 3392 02:28:44,966 --> 02:28:48,703 I MEAN, AGAIN, A LOT OF RICH INFORMATION, 3393 02:28:48,703 --> 02:28:50,805 YOU KNOW, FROM VERY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, 3394 02:28:50,805 --> 02:28:54,342 OBVIOUSLY VERY DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS AS WELL. 3395 02:28:54,342 --> 02:28:56,578 LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR. 3396 02:28:56,578 --> 02:28:59,414 YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PANELISTS HAVE ALL BEEN VERY CANDID 3397 02:28:59,414 --> 02:29:03,551 AND HONEST AND REAL ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES 3398 02:29:03,551 --> 02:29:05,753 IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 3399 02:29:05,753 --> 02:29:07,222 THE DIALOGUE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE WITH THEM. 3400 02:29:07,222 --> 02:29:09,057 SO PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD, 3401 02:29:09,057 --> 02:29:12,494 USE YOUR MIC AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF WHEN YOU SPEAK, 3402 02:29:12,494 --> 02:29:14,329 AND IT'LL GIVE EVERYBODY SOME CONTEXT 3403 02:29:14,329 --> 02:29:16,431 FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 3404 02:29:16,431 --> 02:29:18,566 YES, IN THE BACK. 3405 02:29:18,566 --> 02:29:19,734 - GOOD AFTERNOON, TONJIA MAY, 3406 02:29:19,734 --> 02:29:23,204 NORTH CAROLINA AGRICULTURAL AND TECHNICAL STATE UNIVERSITY. 3407 02:29:23,204 --> 02:29:25,273 SPEAKING FROM A SPONSORED PROGRAMS PERSPECTIVE 3408 02:29:25,273 --> 02:29:28,776 IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN BETTER SUPPORT OUR FACULTY, 3409 02:29:28,776 --> 02:29:32,680 ONE THING THAT YOU'D NEVER WANNA RUN INTO IS A PROJECT TEAM 3410 02:29:32,680 --> 02:29:35,817 THAT RUNS OUTTA STEAM AT THE 11TH HOUR. 3411 02:29:35,817 --> 02:29:36,818 AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS 3412 02:29:36,818 --> 02:29:38,286 THAT I'VE TALKED TO MY TEAM ABOUT 3413 02:29:38,286 --> 02:29:41,389 IS HOW TO PROVIDE BETTER PROJECT MANAGEMENT 3414 02:29:41,389 --> 02:29:43,858 AND MAKING SURE THAT FACULTY UNDERSTAND 3415 02:29:43,858 --> 02:29:46,427 THE PI DOESN'T HAVE TO DO IT ALONE 3416 02:29:46,427 --> 02:29:48,530 AND THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE TOOLS 3417 02:29:48,530 --> 02:29:50,598 AS IT RELATES TO THE BUDGETS, 3418 02:29:50,598 --> 02:29:52,267 WHAT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY GO OUT THE DOOR. 3419 02:29:52,267 --> 02:29:54,002 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I FIND THE CHALLENGE IS, 3420 02:29:54,002 --> 02:29:55,603 THAT AT THE 11TH HOUR, 3421 02:29:55,603 --> 02:29:58,006 WE'RE TRYING TO HIT THE BUTTON TO GET A PROPOSAL OUT, 3422 02:29:58,006 --> 02:29:59,707 AND THEN WE HIT A LOT OF THESE ERRORS. 3423 02:29:59,707 --> 02:30:02,143 SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU DEBRIEF WITH YOUR TEAM. 3424 02:30:02,143 --> 02:30:02,977 I ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, 3425 02:30:02,977 --> 02:30:05,947 IT'S A HEARTBREAKER TO SEE A PROJECT TEAM WORK REALLY HARD 3426 02:30:05,947 --> 02:30:07,782 AND THE PROPOSAL DOESN'T GO OUT THE DOOR, 3427 02:30:07,782 --> 02:30:09,250 BUT IT IS A LESSON LEARNED. 3428 02:30:09,250 --> 02:30:10,618 SO HAVE A DEBRIEFING WITH THE TEAM, 3429 02:30:10,618 --> 02:30:12,220 FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED 3430 02:30:12,220 --> 02:30:14,088 SO AT THAT NEXT SUBMISSION, 3431 02:30:14,088 --> 02:30:17,358 YOU'VE ALREADY WORKED OUT THE KINKS, RIGHT? 3432 02:30:17,358 --> 02:30:19,294 AND PIS, YOU CAN'T DO IT ALONE. 3433 02:30:19,294 --> 02:30:21,729 YOU NEED TO LEVERAGE YOUR PROJECT TEAM, 3434 02:30:21,729 --> 02:30:26,067 ASSIGN SOMEONE TO LEAD EACH CORE AND PROJECT 3435 02:30:26,067 --> 02:30:29,704 SO THAT YOUR SPONSORED PROJECTS TEAM ACTUALLY KNOWS 3436 02:30:29,704 --> 02:30:30,705 WHO THEY SHOULD BE WORKING WITH, 3437 02:30:30,705 --> 02:30:31,873 AND I SEE THAT A LOT. 3438 02:30:31,873 --> 02:30:34,442 SOMETIMES THE PI WANTS TO DO EVERYTHING 3439 02:30:34,442 --> 02:30:36,411 AND THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS 3440 02:30:36,411 --> 02:30:38,213 TO THE SPONSORED PROGRAMS OFFICE, 3441 02:30:38,213 --> 02:30:39,380 AND IT'S A CHALLENGE. 3442 02:30:39,380 --> 02:30:41,649 SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS DEBRIEF. 3443 02:30:41,649 --> 02:30:43,585 TRY TO START AT LEAST A YEAR IN ADVANCE 3444 02:30:43,585 --> 02:30:44,586 AND START THINKING ABOUT IT. 3445 02:30:44,586 --> 02:30:46,154 HAVE SOME REGULAR MEETINGS 3446 02:30:46,154 --> 02:30:49,490 THAT INCLUDE YOUR GRANTS ADMINISTRATORS. 3447 02:30:50,458 --> 02:30:54,462 I DO NOT ASSIGN JUST ONE GRANT ADMIN TO WORK ON A LARGE, 3448 02:30:54,462 --> 02:30:55,897 FOR EXAMPLE, A U54, 3449 02:30:55,897 --> 02:30:57,899 IT'S TOO MUCH FOR ONE PERSON, RIGHT? 3450 02:30:57,899 --> 02:31:00,401 SO YOU NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST TWO GRANT ADMINISTRATORS 3451 02:31:00,401 --> 02:31:04,172 THAT IS GOING TO ASSIST WITH THAT PROPOSAL SUBMISSION. 3452 02:31:04,172 --> 02:31:07,775 ONE PERSON SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED TO HELP ON THE BUDGET SIDE 3453 02:31:07,775 --> 02:31:10,178 TO GET THAT BUDGET KEYED INTO ASSIST, 3454 02:31:10,178 --> 02:31:11,913 AND THEN THE OTHER PERSON IS GONNA BE WORKING 3455 02:31:11,913 --> 02:31:13,781 WITH THE FACULTY, THAT PROJECT TEAM 3456 02:31:13,781 --> 02:31:15,416 TO SECURE THE OTHER DOCUMENTS. 3457 02:31:15,416 --> 02:31:18,820 SO THAT'S A LESSON LEARNED FROM THE A&T'S PERSPECTIVE 3458 02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:21,889 IN THE SPONSORED PROGRAMS OFFICE. 3459 02:31:21,889 --> 02:31:24,892 - [JEAN] THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. 3460 02:31:26,027 --> 02:31:28,696 ARE THERE QUESTIONS EITHER FOR THE GROUP OR INDIVIDUALLY? 3461 02:31:28,696 --> 02:31:29,530 YES. 3462 02:31:31,799 --> 02:31:32,634 - HI, GOOD AFTERNOON. 3463 02:31:32,634 --> 02:31:34,983 I'M MICHELLE HOSPITAL FROM FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL 3464 02:31:34,983 --> 02:31:35,570 UNIVERSITY, 3465 02:31:35,570 --> 02:31:37,672 RCMI DOWN IN MIAMI, FLORIDA. 3466 02:31:37,672 --> 02:31:38,606 THANK YOU TO THE PANEL, 3467 02:31:38,606 --> 02:31:40,675 IT WAS GREAT ADVICE. 3468 02:31:40,675 --> 02:31:43,011 SOMETHING THAT ISN'T SPOKEN ABOUT A LOT 3469 02:31:43,011 --> 02:31:46,648 AND I STRUGGLE WITH MENTORING MY POSTDOCS ON 3470 02:31:46,648 --> 02:31:49,884 IS WHEN THEY RECEIVE THEIR SUMMARY STATEMENT 3471 02:31:49,884 --> 02:31:50,818 AND THEN THEY HAVE TO, 3472 02:31:50,818 --> 02:31:53,688 THEY FINALLY, YOU KNOW, PICK THEMSELVES OFF THE GROUND 3473 02:31:53,688 --> 02:31:56,157 AND START WRITING A RESUBMISSION, 3474 02:31:56,157 --> 02:31:59,394 IS HOW DO YOU TAKE 14 PAGES OF COMMENTS 3475 02:31:59,394 --> 02:32:01,863 AND PUT YOUR RESPONSE INTO ONE PAGE? 3476 02:32:01,863 --> 02:32:04,499 AND SO HOW DO YOU MAKE DECISIONS 3477 02:32:04,499 --> 02:32:06,934 ABOUT WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT 3478 02:32:06,934 --> 02:32:11,239 IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPLICITLY ADDRESS 3479 02:32:11,239 --> 02:32:13,274 IN YOUR RESPONSES? SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE PANEL 3480 02:32:13,274 --> 02:32:15,109 WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. 3481 02:32:15,109 --> 02:32:18,313 - ANYONE WANNA TAKE THAT FIRST? 3482 02:32:18,313 --> 02:32:20,982 LUCILE, I SEE YOU AND MICHELLE BOTH, 3483 02:32:20,982 --> 02:32:22,483 I'M SORRY, MELISSA, 3484 02:32:22,483 --> 02:32:24,952 BOTH REACHING FOR YOUR MIC. 3485 02:32:24,952 --> 02:32:25,853 - THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM, 3486 02:32:25,853 --> 02:32:28,022 NOT ONLY FOR POSTDOCS, FOR EVERYBODY, 3487 02:32:28,022 --> 02:32:30,224 NO MATTER WHAT THE GRANT MECHANISM IS. 3488 02:32:30,224 --> 02:32:32,026 YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, 3489 02:32:32,026 --> 02:32:34,295 I WOULD SAY, FOCUS ON THE AIMS. 3490 02:32:34,295 --> 02:32:36,064 STAY FOCUSED ON THE AIMS, 3491 02:32:36,064 --> 02:32:37,398 AND IF THEY'VE ADDRESSED THINGS 3492 02:32:37,398 --> 02:32:39,000 IN THE MAJOR PART OF YOUR AIMS, 3493 02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:40,735 I WOULD START THERE 3494 02:32:40,735 --> 02:32:43,404 AND GO DOWN TO WHAT THE MINOR THINGS ARE. 3495 02:32:43,404 --> 02:32:44,238 START WITH ALL, 3496 02:32:44,238 --> 02:32:46,774 JUST LEAD WITH ALL OF THE MAJOR ISSUES. 3497 02:32:46,774 --> 02:32:49,711 AND YOU MIGHT SAY THERE'RE 14 PAGES OF MAJOR ISSUES. 3498 02:32:49,711 --> 02:32:52,947 THEY KNOW THEY ONLY ALLOW ONE PAGE OF REVISION, 3499 02:32:52,947 --> 02:32:55,116 BUT THAT'S NOT THE WORST PART. 3500 02:32:55,116 --> 02:32:58,119 THE WORST PART IS WHEN YOU SUBMIT YOUR GRANT, 3501 02:32:58,119 --> 02:33:00,555 YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER SET OF REVIEWERS, 3502 02:33:00,555 --> 02:33:02,223 SO IT WON'T REALLY MATTER. 3503 02:33:02,223 --> 02:33:05,493 SO YOU JUST NEED TO ADDRESS EVERY ISSUE IN THE GRANT 3504 02:33:05,493 --> 02:33:09,564 REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU CAN ACTUALLY ANNOTATE IT 3505 02:33:09,564 --> 02:33:12,667 IN THE INTRODUCTION TO THE RESPONSE. 3506 02:33:12,667 --> 02:33:15,002 BUT WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN SO OFTEN, 3507 02:33:15,002 --> 02:33:16,337 THERE'S ANOTHER SET OF REVIEWERS, 3508 02:33:16,337 --> 02:33:19,006 SO THEY MIGHT EVEN THINK THOSE ISSUES WERE BIG ISSUES, 3509 02:33:19,006 --> 02:33:20,975 SO YOU PICK OUT WHAT YOU THINK ARE THE BIG ISSUES 3510 02:33:20,975 --> 02:33:23,311 AND HIGHLIGHT THEM IN THAT ONE PAGER. 3511 02:33:23,311 --> 02:33:25,847 BUT YOU TRY TO ADDRESS AS MANY 3512 02:33:25,847 --> 02:33:28,116 IF NOT ALL OF THOSE RESPONSES. 3513 02:33:28,116 --> 02:33:30,385 AND IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU THINK WERE TOTALLY WRONG, 3514 02:33:30,385 --> 02:33:32,053 THAT'S SOMETHING YOU SHOULD PUT IN THE INTRO. 3515 02:33:32,053 --> 02:33:36,157 LIKE, YOU KNOW, "REGARDING THIS COMMENT, 3516 02:33:36,157 --> 02:33:39,761 WE DO NOT AGREE BECAUSE OF THIS RATIONALE," 3517 02:33:41,295 --> 02:33:43,631 BUT THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT THAT. 3518 02:33:43,631 --> 02:33:44,732 BUT IT HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY, 3519 02:33:44,732 --> 02:33:46,234 NOT JUST POSTDOCS. 3520 02:33:47,235 --> 02:33:48,669 - [JEAN] MELISSA. 3521 02:33:48,669 --> 02:33:50,238 - SO, 3522 02:33:50,238 --> 02:33:53,975 SO YEAH, I HAVE HELPED MY COLLEAGUES 3523 02:33:53,975 --> 02:33:56,344 IN OUR COBRE GRANTS DEAL WITH THIS A LOT. 3524 02:33:56,344 --> 02:33:59,547 ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAY 3525 02:33:59,547 --> 02:34:02,550 IS FIRST TO FOCUS ON THE REVIEW SUMMARY, 3526 02:34:02,550 --> 02:34:05,653 BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE SCORE DRIVING, 3527 02:34:05,653 --> 02:34:10,324 THE THINGS THAT REALLY ROSE TO THE TOP OF THEIR CONCERNS 3528 02:34:11,325 --> 02:34:15,563 AND BECAME SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM HEARD. 3529 02:34:15,563 --> 02:34:17,398 THE OTHER THING, OF COURSE, IS THE APPROACH. 3530 02:34:17,398 --> 02:34:18,833 YOU FOCUS ON THE APPROACH 3531 02:34:18,833 --> 02:34:23,638 BECAUSE APPROACH SCORES ARE BASICALLY THE IMPACT SCORE. 3532 02:34:23,638 --> 02:34:28,543 SO, THE THINGS THAT REVIEWERS DISLIKED ABOUT THE APPROACH 3533 02:34:28,543 --> 02:34:31,512 ARE WHAT IS GONNA HAVE BEEN SCORE-DRIVING FOR THEM, 3534 02:34:31,512 --> 02:34:33,848 FOR THE MOST PART. 3535 02:34:33,848 --> 02:34:37,952 I AM MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE 3536 02:34:37,952 --> 02:34:39,520 ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, 3537 02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:40,555 WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, 3538 02:34:40,555 --> 02:34:42,323 THAT IT DOESN'T HELP TO REBUT 3539 02:34:42,323 --> 02:34:45,560 BECAUSE REVIEWERS AREN'T GONNA LIKE IT. 3540 02:34:46,961 --> 02:34:49,297 AND REMIND THE INVESTIGATORS 3541 02:34:50,798 --> 02:34:53,301 THAT WHEN THEY RESUBMIT, 3542 02:34:53,301 --> 02:34:56,003 THEIR NEW REVIEWERS WILL LOOK 3543 02:34:56,003 --> 02:34:58,239 AT THAT SUMMARY STATEMENT, RIGHT? 3544 02:34:58,239 --> 02:35:00,408 THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE. 3545 02:35:00,408 --> 02:35:02,777 SO THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT 3546 02:35:02,777 --> 02:35:05,680 TO ADDRESS THE SCORE-DRIVING THINGS. 3547 02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:07,448 NOW, REVIEWERS HAVE PLENTY OF OTHER THINGS TO READ. 3548 02:35:07,448 --> 02:35:09,717 THEY'RE NOT GONNA READ THROUGH IT IN DETAIL, RIGHT? 3549 02:35:09,717 --> 02:35:12,186 THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT THE SUMMARY STATEMENT WAS 3550 02:35:12,186 --> 02:35:15,156 AND THEN SKIM DOWN TO PROBABLY SEE THE PERSON 3551 02:35:15,156 --> 02:35:16,624 THAT SCORED IT THE HIGHEST 3552 02:35:16,624 --> 02:35:19,060 AND THEN SEE WHAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE ABOUT IT, RIGHT? 3553 02:35:19,060 --> 02:35:22,630 SO WE KIND OF FOCUS ON THOSE THINGS. 3554 02:35:22,630 --> 02:35:23,931 AND I ALSO TELL 'EM, 3555 02:35:23,931 --> 02:35:26,267 IDENTIFY THE STRENGTHS TOO, 3556 02:35:26,267 --> 02:35:28,102 THAT THE INTRODUCTION, 3557 02:35:30,571 --> 02:35:33,808 I THINK, SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST ONE SENTENCE 3558 02:35:33,808 --> 02:35:38,279 THAT CALLS OUT WHATEVER WAS THE COMMON STRENGTH 3559 02:35:38,279 --> 02:35:41,282 TO PUT A LITTLE MORE POSITIVE SPIN ON IT. 3560 02:35:41,282 --> 02:35:43,384 AND I HAVE SEEN, 3561 02:35:43,384 --> 02:35:45,786 I HAD ONE OF MY ADVISEES WENT 3562 02:35:48,155 --> 02:35:49,223 FROM NO SCORE 3563 02:35:51,025 --> 02:35:52,360 TO A SCORE OF 17 3564 02:35:54,362 --> 02:35:56,731 BASED ON THE RESPONSE TO THE REVIEW 3565 02:35:56,731 --> 02:35:59,767 BECAUSE THEY WERE ABLE TO DESIGN NEW EXPERIMENTS 3566 02:35:59,767 --> 02:36:04,572 THAT EXACTLY ADDRESSED THE MAJOR CONCERNS OF REVIEWERS. 3567 02:36:04,572 --> 02:36:07,808 AND IT CAN REALLY MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE 3568 02:36:09,777 --> 02:36:13,748 IN WHETHER A PROPOSAL GETS SCORED OR NOT, 3569 02:36:13,748 --> 02:36:15,316 GETS FUNDED OR NOT. 3570 02:36:18,719 --> 02:36:20,054 - [JEAN] OKAY. 3571 02:36:20,054 --> 02:36:22,056 YES, JENNIFER, GO AHEAD. 3572 02:36:23,157 --> 02:36:24,158 - SORRY, JENNIFER QUINLAN 3573 02:36:24,158 --> 02:36:26,294 FROM PRAIRIE VIEW A&M UNIVERSITY. 3574 02:36:26,294 --> 02:36:27,728 ALL MY FUNDING IS WITH USDA, 3575 02:36:27,728 --> 02:36:30,932 SO THIS, IT'S VERY SIMILAR BUT NOVEL. 3576 02:36:30,932 --> 02:36:33,501 CAN I ASSUME THAT ALL OF THE REVIEWERS, 3577 02:36:33,501 --> 02:36:36,470 THAT THE SECOND SET OF REVIEWERS DO SEE 3578 02:36:36,470 --> 02:36:39,407 ALL OF THE FIRST SET OF REVIEWERS' COMMENTS? 3579 02:36:39,407 --> 02:36:42,843 SO, LIKE, YOU CAN'T GET OUT OF THAT ONE PAGE, 3580 02:36:42,843 --> 02:36:46,948 THEY COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS. 3581 02:36:46,948 --> 02:36:49,584 - THAT'S CORRECT. - OKAY. 3582 02:36:49,584 --> 02:36:51,619 - CAN I JUST MAKE A FOLLOW-UP? 3583 02:36:51,619 --> 02:36:55,756 THERE'S SOME REVIEWERS THAT SKIM THE WHOLE GRANT 3584 02:36:55,756 --> 02:36:59,126 AND DON'T READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT 3585 02:36:59,126 --> 02:37:00,861 AND SIT THERE WITH PEOPLE. 3586 02:37:00,861 --> 02:37:05,099 SO THEIR JOB IS TO READ THE WHOLE GRANT THROUGH, 3587 02:37:05,099 --> 02:37:07,768 BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SKIM, 3588 02:37:07,768 --> 02:37:08,769 AND WE'VE WATCHED THAT, 3589 02:37:08,769 --> 02:37:10,771 SO JUST KNOW THAT 3590 02:37:10,771 --> 02:37:13,708 IT'S NOT AS KOSHER AS YOU MIGHT WANT IT TO BE, 3591 02:37:13,708 --> 02:37:15,042 BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT IS. 3592 02:37:15,042 --> 02:37:18,245 AND THE FIRST REVIEWER REALLY PUTS SO MUCH WEIGHT 3593 02:37:18,245 --> 02:37:20,381 ON EVERYONE ELSE WHEN THEY REVIEW IT, 3594 02:37:20,381 --> 02:37:23,384 UNLESS SOMEBODY JUST TOTALLY IS AGAINST WHAT THEY SAID. 3595 02:37:23,384 --> 02:37:24,518 THEY HAVE A LOT OF WEIGHT 3596 02:37:24,518 --> 02:37:27,521 IN TERMS OF HOW THE VOTE'S GONNA GO. 3597 02:37:30,057 --> 02:37:32,760 - [JEAN] YES, DEEPAK, GO AHEAD. 3598 02:37:32,760 --> 02:37:35,262 - DEEPAK KUMAR, NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL UNIVERSITY. 3599 02:37:35,262 --> 02:37:37,898 SEVERAL OF YOU HIGHLIGHTED THE ROLE 3600 02:37:37,898 --> 02:37:41,669 OF INTEGRATING RESEARCH INTO INSTITUTIONAL SYSTEMS. 3601 02:37:41,669 --> 02:37:43,537 YOU TALKED ABOUT HUMAN RESOURCES, 3602 02:37:43,537 --> 02:37:45,139 TALKED ABOUT THE SUBCONTRACT, 3603 02:37:45,139 --> 02:37:47,775 TALK ABOUT THE RESOURCES. 3604 02:37:47,775 --> 02:37:50,177 HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE, YOU KNOW, 3605 02:37:50,177 --> 02:37:53,881 THROUGH THE PROCESSES WHEN YOU ARE HIRED 3606 02:37:53,881 --> 02:37:57,284 AT INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE LOW IN RESOURCES 3607 02:38:00,821 --> 02:38:02,957 AND YOU'RE COMING FROM OTHER INSTITUTIONS 3608 02:38:02,957 --> 02:38:05,593 WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE OTHER ASPECTS, 3609 02:38:05,593 --> 02:38:08,929 SUCH AS BIOSKETCHES AND EVERYTHING ELSE 3610 02:38:08,929 --> 02:38:10,231 WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE GRANT? 3611 02:38:10,231 --> 02:38:13,100 AND ALSO WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT THE GRANT AS WELL, 3612 02:38:13,100 --> 02:38:14,869 HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE TO THE PROCESS? 3613 02:38:14,869 --> 02:38:16,570 THAT'S PART A. 3614 02:38:16,570 --> 02:38:19,306 AND PART B FOR DR. ADAMS-CAMPBELL, 3615 02:38:19,306 --> 02:38:23,010 I MEAN, YOU HAVE VERY SUCCESSFULLY COLLABORATED 3616 02:38:23,010 --> 02:38:26,113 WITH LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS, MSIS, 3617 02:38:27,548 --> 02:38:29,283 AND VARIOUS COLLABORATIONS, 3618 02:38:29,283 --> 02:38:30,451 AND YOU HIGHLIGHTED 3619 02:38:30,451 --> 02:38:34,522 WHAT SOME INSTITUTIONS ARE NOT ABLE TO DO. 3620 02:38:34,522 --> 02:38:38,259 BUT HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS AT YOUR INSTITUTIONS, 3621 02:38:38,259 --> 02:38:39,727 THE RESEARCH-INTENSIVE INSTITUTIONS, 3622 02:38:39,727 --> 02:38:43,831 TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARTNERSHIP IS ALIVE, 3623 02:38:43,831 --> 02:38:45,199 REMAINS ALIVE, 3624 02:38:45,199 --> 02:38:49,937 AND IS SUCCESSFUL DESPITE ALL THESE DEFICIENCIES 3625 02:38:49,937 --> 02:38:51,072 THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED? 3626 02:38:51,072 --> 02:38:52,139 SO TWO PARTS. 3627 02:38:53,474 --> 02:38:55,176 - LET ME TAKE THAT QUESTION FIRST, 3628 02:38:55,176 --> 02:38:56,010 AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE 3629 02:38:56,010 --> 02:38:58,879 ALL THE OTHER THINGS HE SAID. (MELISSA LAUGHS) 3630 02:38:58,879 --> 02:39:03,784 I PARTNER WITH MY FORMER STUDENTS THAT ARE NOW FACULTY, 3631 02:39:03,784 --> 02:39:06,921 SENIOR LEADERS, PEOPLE THAT I'VE HIRED, 3632 02:39:06,921 --> 02:39:08,556 LIKE, A LOT OF PEOPLE I'VE HIRED AT HOWARD 3633 02:39:08,556 --> 02:39:10,591 WHEN I WAS THERE FOR 18 YEARS, 3634 02:39:10,591 --> 02:39:12,626 SO THEY KNOW I WILL KILL THEM IF THEY MESS ME UP. 3635 02:39:12,626 --> 02:39:14,962 (ATTENDEES LAUGHING) 3636 02:39:14,962 --> 02:39:17,465 BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS PEOPLE WERE TRAINED UP, 3637 02:39:17,465 --> 02:39:18,699 I HIRED PEOPLE, 3638 02:39:18,699 --> 02:39:20,835 I DEPEND ON THOSE INDIVIDUALS. 3639 02:39:20,835 --> 02:39:23,170 SO THEY WANNA PARTNER WITH ME, THAT'S FINE, 3640 02:39:23,170 --> 02:39:25,673 IF THEY SAY THIS PERSON IS GOOD TO WORK WITH, 3641 02:39:25,673 --> 02:39:28,075 BUT THEY ALSO KNOW THAT THAT'S HOW I OPERATE. 3642 02:39:28,075 --> 02:39:29,210 IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE JOB, 3643 02:39:29,210 --> 02:39:31,212 YOU'RE GONNA GET CUT OUT REALLY QUICKLY. 3644 02:39:31,212 --> 02:39:32,613 SO IT'S BEEN VERY EFFECTIVE. 3645 02:39:32,613 --> 02:39:35,015 WE STILL HAVE A GRANT RIGHT NOW WITH HOWARD, 3646 02:39:35,015 --> 02:39:36,784 AND HOWARD'S ON THE CTSA. 3647 02:39:36,784 --> 02:39:39,787 AND, I MEAN, JUST BEEN WORKING CONSTANTLY 3648 02:39:39,787 --> 02:39:42,656 TO MAKE CERTAIN WE TRY TO KEEP PARTNERSHIPS GOING. 3649 02:39:42,656 --> 02:39:45,626 SO, WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT I TRUST, 3650 02:39:45,626 --> 02:39:47,828 WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT I KNOW HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, 3651 02:39:47,828 --> 02:39:50,631 AND WORK WITH PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WOULD ENJOY BENEFITING 3652 02:39:50,631 --> 02:39:53,000 FROM HAVING THE RESOURCES PLANTED ON THEM, 3653 02:39:53,000 --> 02:39:55,136 SO THAT'S HOW THAT'S DONE. 3654 02:39:58,205 --> 02:39:59,740 FORGOT THE OTHER QUESTION. 3655 02:39:59,740 --> 02:40:00,875 - [JEAN] YEAH, DEEPAK, 3656 02:40:00,875 --> 02:40:03,711 CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR FIRST QUESTION MAYBE FOR- 3657 02:40:03,711 --> 02:40:06,347 - WELL, I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION WAS FOR EVERYBODY 3658 02:40:06,347 --> 02:40:07,181 IN TERMS OF, LIKE, 3659 02:40:07,181 --> 02:40:10,351 HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THROUGH THE INSTITUTIONAL SYSTEMS 3660 02:40:10,351 --> 02:40:12,953 AS YOU BUILD YOUR RESEARCH? 3661 02:40:12,953 --> 02:40:16,457 LIKE HUMAN RESOURCES, TEACHING LOAD, 3662 02:40:16,457 --> 02:40:19,426 YOU KNOW, THE SPONSOR PROGRAMS. 3663 02:40:19,426 --> 02:40:21,929 AND SO YOU'RE BASICALLY TASKED 3664 02:40:21,929 --> 02:40:24,598 WITH NOT ONLY DOING RESEARCH, 3665 02:40:24,598 --> 02:40:26,734 NOT ONLY SUBMITTING GRANTS, 3666 02:40:26,734 --> 02:40:30,504 BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THINGS RUN SMOOTHLY 3667 02:40:32,239 --> 02:40:35,276 AND YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. 3668 02:40:35,276 --> 02:40:36,477 - [JEAN] YOU GUYS, GO AHEAD. 3669 02:40:36,477 --> 02:40:38,145 - YEAH. 3670 02:40:38,145 --> 02:40:41,882 I START THAT. (LAUGHS) 3671 02:40:41,882 --> 02:40:44,151 I THINK IT'S MOSTLY SKILLS, 3672 02:40:45,486 --> 02:40:46,754 DEVELOPING YOUR SKILLS, 3673 02:40:46,754 --> 02:40:49,423 SO THAT'S THE FACULTY NEED TO DO. 3674 02:40:49,423 --> 02:40:52,560 I THINK WHAT THE INSTITUTIONS CAN DO 3675 02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:56,964 IS TO PROVIDE WORKSHOPS FOR SKILL DEVELOPMENT. 3676 02:40:56,964 --> 02:40:59,066 ONE THING THAT I USUALLY SAY, 3677 02:40:59,066 --> 02:41:00,935 WHEN I TALK TO MY STUDENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, 3678 02:41:00,935 --> 02:41:03,304 I SAY IT'S BUSINESS OF SCIENCE. 3679 02:41:03,304 --> 02:41:06,040 YOU GOTTA KNOW MANY, MANY THINGS. 3680 02:41:06,040 --> 02:41:07,575 IN MANY INSTITUTIONS, 3681 02:41:07,575 --> 02:41:09,076 THE HIGHER-END INSTITUTIONS, 3682 02:41:09,076 --> 02:41:11,445 YOU DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF THINGS, 3683 02:41:11,445 --> 02:41:13,414 INCLUDING, FOR EXAMPLE, BUDGET. 3684 02:41:13,414 --> 02:41:14,715 YOU DON'T NEED TO MANAGE BUDGET, 3685 02:41:14,715 --> 02:41:16,917 THERE IS A PERSON THAT DOES THAT FOR YOU. 3686 02:41:16,917 --> 02:41:19,353 YOU DON'T NEED TO MANAGE DOCUMENTATIONS, 3687 02:41:19,353 --> 02:41:21,355 THERE'S A PERSON THAT DOES THAT FOR YOU. 3688 02:41:21,355 --> 02:41:23,424 BUT IN MY CASE, AT LEAST, 3689 02:41:24,258 --> 02:41:26,026 AND MANY INSTITUTIONS 3690 02:41:27,027 --> 02:41:30,130 THAT ARE PROBABLY THE TARGET OF THIS, 3691 02:41:31,498 --> 02:41:32,666 THIS WORKSHOP, 3692 02:41:34,001 --> 02:41:35,302 THAT DOESN'T EXIST, RIGHT? 3693 02:41:35,302 --> 02:41:38,772 SO THE PIS NEED TO KNOW SOME OF THAT SCALE. 3694 02:41:38,772 --> 02:41:42,376 SO I THINK WORKSHOPS FROM THE INSTITUTIONS, 3695 02:41:45,346 --> 02:41:48,148 THIS SORT OF WORKSHOPS DEFINITELY WORK. 3696 02:41:48,148 --> 02:41:51,719 BUT I THINK EACH INSTITUTION SHOULD PROBABLY THINK 3697 02:41:51,719 --> 02:41:54,655 ABOUT HOW TO HAVE THOSE MANAGEMENT, 3698 02:41:56,757 --> 02:41:58,859 YOU KNOW, WORK MANAGEMENT 3699 02:42:00,794 --> 02:42:05,766 SKILL DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOPS FOR THEIR FACULTY AS WELL. 3700 02:42:05,766 --> 02:42:07,701 SOME OF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU LEARN 3701 02:42:07,701 --> 02:42:10,371 THROUGH YOUR ACTIVITIES IN THE PAST. 3702 02:42:10,371 --> 02:42:13,707 I HAPPENED TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH MY PI 3703 02:42:13,707 --> 02:42:16,143 WHEN I WAS A POSTDOC, 3704 02:42:16,143 --> 02:42:19,813 AND HE GAVE ME A LOT OF EXPOSURE TO A LOT OF THESE THINGS 3705 02:42:19,813 --> 02:42:23,550 BECAUSE I WAS A POSTDOC IN A R02 INSTITUTION, 3706 02:42:24,385 --> 02:42:26,487 SO I HAD TO DO BUDGETING, 3707 02:42:26,487 --> 02:42:28,322 HELPING HIM BUDGET. 3708 02:42:28,322 --> 02:42:29,690 SO I LEARNED. 3709 02:42:29,690 --> 02:42:30,524 THAT HELPED A LOT. 3710 02:42:30,524 --> 02:42:31,358 BUT, 3711 02:42:32,359 --> 02:42:34,061 NOW, ONE THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND 3712 02:42:34,061 --> 02:42:35,963 AS WE WERE TALKING WAS, 3713 02:42:38,666 --> 02:42:40,401 I'M CHANGING THE GEARS, SORRY, 3714 02:42:40,401 --> 02:42:44,438 BUT THOUGHT THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 3715 02:42:44,438 --> 02:42:47,908 IT'S ABOUT THAT INITIAL PRELIMINARY RESULT 3716 02:42:49,209 --> 02:42:52,980 AND SOMETHING THAT THE FACULTY SHOW. 3717 02:42:52,980 --> 02:42:55,316 THERE IS A PRODUCTIVITY GOING ON, 3718 02:42:55,316 --> 02:42:57,718 THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROMISING, 3719 02:42:57,718 --> 02:42:59,820 SO YOU CAN BUILD BASED ON THAT. 3720 02:42:59,820 --> 02:43:04,458 I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE COULD THINK ABOUT SEED FUNDINGS 3721 02:43:04,458 --> 02:43:08,429 THAT COME FROM INSTITUTIONS LIKE NIH, FOR EXAMPLE. 3722 02:43:08,429 --> 02:43:10,731 AND THESE DON'T NEED TO BE VERY BIG. 3723 02:43:10,731 --> 02:43:14,034 BUT FACULTY THAT DON'T HAVE PRELIMINARY RESULTS 3724 02:43:14,034 --> 02:43:16,870 DON'T HAVE YET ESTABLISHED WORK, 3725 02:43:16,870 --> 02:43:20,174 THEY COULD APPLY FOR A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF FUNDING, 3726 02:43:20,174 --> 02:43:23,444 BUT THAT WOULD LIFT THEM UP A BIT 3727 02:43:23,444 --> 02:43:25,813 JUST TO DO THAT INITIAL WORK. 3728 02:43:25,813 --> 02:43:28,983 LIKE, SOMETIMES 5,000 GOES A LONG WAY. 3729 02:43:29,883 --> 02:43:31,218 JUST FRUIT FOR THOUGHT, 3730 02:43:31,218 --> 02:43:32,953 JUST CAME TO MY MIND. 3731 02:43:34,755 --> 02:43:37,992 - [JEAN] SO, KELLY, DID YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT? 3732 02:43:37,992 --> 02:43:42,129 - SO I AGREE WITH WHAT REZA SAID IN THE SENSE THAT, 3733 02:43:42,129 --> 02:43:44,798 YOU KNOW, ALSO AT MY TYPE OF INSTITUTION, 3734 02:43:44,798 --> 02:43:47,067 WE HAVE TO DO, THE FACULTY HAS TO, 3735 02:43:47,067 --> 02:43:48,836 THE PI HAS TO DO ALL THE BUDGETING, 3736 02:43:48,836 --> 02:43:50,004 ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK, 3737 02:43:50,004 --> 02:43:51,538 AND IT IS A LOT, 3738 02:43:51,538 --> 02:43:53,207 ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE ON YOUR FIRST GRANT 3739 02:43:53,207 --> 02:43:56,110 TRYING TO FIGURE EVERYTHING OUT. 3740 02:43:56,110 --> 02:43:57,778 BUT SO A LOT OF TIMES WHAT I WIND UP DOING 3741 02:43:57,778 --> 02:43:59,913 IS ACTUALLY I WOULD, YOU KNOW, 3742 02:43:59,913 --> 02:44:02,016 JUST TALK TO THE OTHER PEOPLE AT MY INSTITUTION 3743 02:44:02,016 --> 02:44:03,050 THAT HAVE GRANTS, TO SAY, 3744 02:44:03,050 --> 02:44:04,752 "WELL, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU HAVE, 3745 02:44:04,752 --> 02:44:06,353 YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS COMES UP?" 3746 02:44:06,353 --> 02:44:08,489 AND WHAT I FOUND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, 3747 02:44:08,489 --> 02:44:11,425 EVEN THOUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT, 3748 02:44:11,425 --> 02:44:12,726 YOU KNOW, IS LIMITED, 3749 02:44:12,726 --> 02:44:14,261 YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IS WILLING TO HELP, 3750 02:44:14,261 --> 02:44:16,697 AND YOU DO HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND BE PATIENT 3751 02:44:16,697 --> 02:44:19,900 BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO YOU. 3752 02:44:19,900 --> 02:44:21,535 AND THE OTHER THING I DO IS THEN 3753 02:44:21,535 --> 02:44:24,171 I ALSO REACH OUT TO MY OWN PROFESSIONAL NETWORK. 3754 02:44:24,171 --> 02:44:26,473 AND OFTENTIMES WHAT I FOUND IS THAT SOMETIMES 3755 02:44:26,473 --> 02:44:27,775 EVEN IF PEOPLE CAN'T HELP ME, 3756 02:44:27,775 --> 02:44:32,246 THEY'LL REFER ME TO OTHER PIS AT OTHER INSTITUTIONS. 3757 02:44:32,246 --> 02:44:35,049 AND WHAT'S REALLY SURPRISING TO ME IS THAT THE PIS 3758 02:44:35,049 --> 02:44:36,316 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW YOU 3759 02:44:36,316 --> 02:44:39,753 SOMETIMES ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MOST WILLING TO HELP TOO, 3760 02:44:39,753 --> 02:44:41,121 SO DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT 3761 02:44:41,121 --> 02:44:43,257 EVEN TO PEOPLE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY THINK, 3762 02:44:43,257 --> 02:44:45,826 YOU KNOW, MIGHT RESPOND TO YOU. 3763 02:44:48,662 --> 02:44:50,631 - AND I JUST WANNA ADD, 3764 02:44:50,631 --> 02:44:51,965 ONE THING ABOUT, 3765 02:44:53,033 --> 02:44:55,302 BACK TO ADDRESSING YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION 3766 02:44:55,302 --> 02:44:59,206 ABOUT HOW TO HELP BIS NAVIGATE INSTITUTIONALLY. 3767 02:45:00,474 --> 02:45:03,477 AND TO STRESS, AGAIN, TO THANK NIGMS 3768 02:45:05,279 --> 02:45:08,248 AND SAY FOR US IT WAS HAVING THE CENTER, 3769 02:45:08,248 --> 02:45:11,985 BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MY JOB WAS, 3770 02:45:11,985 --> 02:45:15,289 AS DIRECTOR, WAS TO BE THAT SUPPORT PERSON 3771 02:45:15,289 --> 02:45:18,258 TO HELP OUR PIS SUBMIT THAT GRANT. 3772 02:45:18,258 --> 02:45:22,062 AND WE HAD THE RESOURCES TO HAVE A PROGRAM COORDINATOR, 3773 02:45:22,062 --> 02:45:23,797 TO HAVE A GRANT ADMINISTRATOR 3774 02:45:23,797 --> 02:45:27,835 THAT COULD HELP PULL ALL THOSE PIECES TOGETHER. 3775 02:45:27,835 --> 02:45:30,404 WE HAD TEMPLATES FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS, 3776 02:45:30,404 --> 02:45:33,674 WE CONSTRUCTED TEMPLATES FOR FACILITIES. 3777 02:45:33,674 --> 02:45:35,709 PEOPLE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN FACILITIES, 3778 02:45:35,709 --> 02:45:37,010 IT WOULD LIKE, HERE'S THE TEMPLATE, 3779 02:45:37,010 --> 02:45:38,345 PUT IN YOUR LAB, RIGHT? 3780 02:45:38,345 --> 02:45:39,813 ADD THE THINGS FOR YOUR LAB. 3781 02:45:39,813 --> 02:45:43,250 AND BEFORE WE RUN OUT OF TIME AND QUIT, 3782 02:45:43,250 --> 02:45:45,285 I WOULD JUST, 'CAUSE THIS IS A DIALOGUE, 3783 02:45:45,285 --> 02:45:47,554 IF I CAN JUST SPEAK TO NIH, 3784 02:45:48,822 --> 02:45:49,957 FOR INSTITUTIONS, 3785 02:45:49,957 --> 02:45:52,159 THESE EMERGING RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS 3786 02:45:52,159 --> 02:45:54,394 THAT AREN'T IN IDEA STATES, 3787 02:45:55,662 --> 02:45:56,530 THEY DON'T HAVE THAT, 3788 02:45:56,530 --> 02:45:57,798 THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS. 3789 02:45:57,798 --> 02:46:01,301 AND I WOULD SAY, IF THERE WAS ONE THING THAT COULD, 3790 02:46:01,301 --> 02:46:03,337 I MEAN, IT'S BEEN TRANSFORMATIVE FOR DEL STATE, 3791 02:46:03,337 --> 02:46:05,205 IT'S THAT COBRE GRANTS 3792 02:46:05,205 --> 02:46:08,308 AND THE SIMILAR THINGS THROUGH INBRE. 3793 02:46:09,877 --> 02:46:14,114 IF THERE WAS A WAY TO MAKE THOSE COBRE-TYPE CENTERS 3794 02:46:15,516 --> 02:46:19,052 FOR EMERGING RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS 3795 02:46:19,052 --> 02:46:22,055 AND A MECHANISM LIKE THAT FOR EMERGING RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS 3796 02:46:22,055 --> 02:46:24,691 BEYOND THE IDEA STATES, 3797 02:46:24,691 --> 02:46:27,961 I THINK THAT COULD TRANSLATE OUR SUCCESS 3798 02:46:27,961 --> 02:46:29,796 TO OTHER INSTITUTIONS. 3799 02:46:37,704 --> 02:46:38,705 - I WAS CHECKING WITH DR. LORSCH 3800 02:46:38,705 --> 02:46:41,275 TO SEE IF HE WANTED TO RESPOND. 3801 02:46:42,176 --> 02:46:43,010 OTHER QUESTIONS? 3802 02:46:43,010 --> 02:46:46,113 WE HAVE TIME FOR A COUPLE MORE BEFORE WE END. 3803 02:46:46,113 --> 02:46:46,947 YEAH. 3804 02:46:48,148 --> 02:46:49,983 OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS 3805 02:46:49,983 --> 02:46:51,852 OR OTHER FEEDBACK FROM ANYONE IN THE ROOM? 3806 02:46:51,852 --> 02:46:53,387 YEAH, DEEPAK, GO AHEAD. 3807 02:46:53,387 --> 02:46:56,323 - I CAN JUST ADD THAT I THINK WHAT, 3808 02:46:57,257 --> 02:46:58,959 AND WE'RE ALL STRUGGLING WITH THIS, 3809 02:46:58,959 --> 02:47:02,362 I THINK WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT HAVING CONVERSATION 3810 02:47:02,362 --> 02:47:05,065 WITH NON-RESEARCH FOLKS 3811 02:47:05,065 --> 02:47:07,668 AT OUR INSTITUTIONS HELPS. 3812 02:47:07,668 --> 02:47:09,403 IF WE REALLY WANT TO BUILD RESEARCH, 3813 02:47:09,403 --> 02:47:11,338 I THINK IT IS EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBILITY 3814 02:47:11,338 --> 02:47:16,109 AND NOT ONLY THE CENTER'S, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBILITY. 3815 02:47:16,109 --> 02:47:19,947 I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN WORKS VERY WELL. 3816 02:47:22,749 --> 02:47:25,986 AND ONE OF THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, 3817 02:47:25,986 --> 02:47:29,523 A&T, I HEARD BOTH FROM THE FACULTY SIDE 3818 02:47:29,523 --> 02:47:30,991 AND ALSO FROM THE SPONSORED PROGRAM SIDE, 3819 02:47:30,991 --> 02:47:34,127 I THINK MOVING TO R1 IS GREAT, 3820 02:47:34,127 --> 02:47:37,864 BUT ARE THERE ANY CONCESSIONS GIVEN TO THE FACULTY 3821 02:47:37,864 --> 02:47:41,268 TO DO RESEARCH FROM THE ADMINISTRATION 3822 02:47:41,268 --> 02:47:43,403 WITH THIS WHOLE STRATEGIC IDEA 3823 02:47:43,403 --> 02:47:47,207 OF MOVING TO AN R1 INSTITUTION SO FACULTY HAVE MORE TIME? 3824 02:47:47,207 --> 02:47:48,008 SO FOR EXAMPLE, 3825 02:47:48,008 --> 02:47:52,346 HAS THE TEACHING LOAD BEEN SLASHED INTO HALF BROADLY 3826 02:47:54,214 --> 02:47:56,216 OR SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, 3827 02:47:57,818 --> 02:48:00,120 INSTITUTIONAL INITIATIVES WHICH CAN HELP FACULTY? 3828 02:48:00,120 --> 02:48:01,688 HAS THAT BEEN DONE? 3829 02:48:03,223 --> 02:48:06,293 - CAN I JUST SAY, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, 3830 02:48:08,562 --> 02:48:09,896 BEING AT A HBCU, 3831 02:48:11,265 --> 02:48:12,666 TEACHING IS HUGE, 3832 02:48:14,434 --> 02:48:17,037 YOU KNOW, AND THAT TAKES UP A LOT OF TIME 3833 02:48:17,037 --> 02:48:19,539 FOR MANY FACULTY MEMBERS. 3834 02:48:19,539 --> 02:48:21,975 BUT THE INSTITUTION IS ALWAYS WILLING 3835 02:48:21,975 --> 02:48:23,710 TO WRITE IN THE LETTER, 3836 02:48:23,710 --> 02:48:27,447 PEOPLE WILL BE GIVEN FREE TIME TO DO RESEARCH 3837 02:48:29,182 --> 02:48:30,584 AND RELEASE TIME. 3838 02:48:31,551 --> 02:48:34,021 AND THAT OFTEN DOESN'T HAPPEN. 3839 02:48:34,021 --> 02:48:37,858 AND TO DO RESEARCH AND TEACH IS A LOT. 3840 02:48:37,858 --> 02:48:39,326 BEING IN A CANCER CENTER, 3841 02:48:39,326 --> 02:48:41,528 I DO SO LITTLE TEACHING, 3842 02:48:41,528 --> 02:48:42,963 I WOULDN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT I DID, 3843 02:48:42,963 --> 02:48:44,931 BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COUNT. 3844 02:48:44,931 --> 02:48:47,234 BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, 3845 02:48:47,234 --> 02:48:49,703 TO BE A VERY STRONG RESEARCHER, 3846 02:48:49,703 --> 02:48:53,840 A LOT OF IT'S GONNA BE DONE ON YOUR OWN BALL OF TIME. 3847 02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:55,842 AND I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT, 3848 02:48:55,842 --> 02:48:58,712 BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET GOING, 3849 02:48:58,712 --> 02:49:01,848 IT'S NOT GONNA BE WHAT YOU DO DURING YOUR REGULAR WEEKDAY, 3850 02:49:01,848 --> 02:49:04,384 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY BOGGED DOWN. 3851 02:49:04,384 --> 02:49:07,220 SO A LOT OF WORK IS DONE LATER 3852 02:49:07,220 --> 02:49:11,325 AND SEVEN DAYS A WEEK TO REALLY GET GET GOING, 3853 02:49:11,325 --> 02:49:13,026 SO PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, 3854 02:49:13,026 --> 02:49:14,127 BUT THAT'S HOW I ENVISION 3855 02:49:14,127 --> 02:49:18,165 HOW RESEARCH HAS REALLY CRAFTED THE WAY WE MOVE FORWARD, 3856 02:49:18,165 --> 02:49:19,566 EVEN TO THIS DAY. 3857 02:49:20,500 --> 02:49:22,069 - [JEAN] YEAH, ONE QUESTION, SHAWN, 3858 02:49:22,069 --> 02:49:24,304 AND THEN IN THE BACK TOO. 3859 02:49:24,304 --> 02:49:26,206 - SO. I CAN SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT 3860 02:49:26,206 --> 02:49:28,108 ABOUT RELEASE TIME AT HBCUS. 3861 02:49:28,108 --> 02:49:29,676 SO NORTH CAROLINA, 3862 02:49:29,676 --> 02:49:32,279 AS DR. KUMAR KNOWS, REZA KNOWS, 3863 02:49:33,980 --> 02:49:38,418 THE TEACHING HOURS HAVE GONE TO 12 HOURS PER SEMESTER 3864 02:49:39,453 --> 02:49:41,088 IN THE ACADEMIC YEAR. 3865 02:49:41,088 --> 02:49:43,657 SO THAT'S REQUIRED US TO UPDATE 3866 02:49:43,657 --> 02:49:45,926 OUR TEACHING LOAD POLICIES. 3867 02:49:48,061 --> 02:49:49,629 AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT, 3868 02:49:49,629 --> 02:49:51,598 AND I SUSPECT THE WAY A&T HAS DONE IT, 3869 02:49:51,598 --> 02:49:54,534 IS TO ALLOW THE DEANS TO HAVE SOME DISCRETION 3870 02:49:54,534 --> 02:49:58,939 OVER HOW RESEARCH GETS ACCOMMODATED FOR WITH FACULTY. 3871 02:50:01,108 --> 02:50:05,586 SO THERE'S NOT A STRICT EQUATION/CALCULATION THAT'S 3872 02:50:05,586 --> 02:50:06,113 DONE, 3873 02:50:08,648 --> 02:50:10,717 BUT IN GENERAL, 3874 02:50:10,717 --> 02:50:15,589 I THINK THAT IF FACULTY ARE BRINGING IN 60% OF THEIR SALARY, 3875 02:50:15,589 --> 02:50:17,557 THEY'RE GOING TO GET RELEASE TIME 3876 02:50:17,557 --> 02:50:21,628 FOR SIX OF THOSE EIGHT THREE-CREDIT-HOUR CLASSES. 3877 02:50:22,562 --> 02:50:24,865 SO THAT SORT OF THING IS HAPPENING, 3878 02:50:24,865 --> 02:50:26,933 AT LEAST IN NORTH CAROLINA. 3879 02:50:26,933 --> 02:50:28,969 AND ADMINISTRATIONS, 3880 02:50:28,969 --> 02:50:31,438 AS THEY TURN OVER AND CHANGE, 3881 02:50:31,438 --> 02:50:35,275 ARE REALIZING THAT ALTERNATIVE REVENUE STREAMS 3882 02:50:36,476 --> 02:50:38,311 LIKE RESEARCH AT HBCUS 3883 02:50:39,146 --> 02:50:42,149 IS REALLY AN IMPORTANT THING TO INVEST IN. 3884 02:50:42,149 --> 02:50:45,919 AND SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING THERE, 3885 02:50:45,919 --> 02:50:49,189 BUT WE'RE NOT ALL THE WAY THERE. 3886 02:50:49,189 --> 02:50:50,524 - [JEAN] THANK YOU. 3887 02:50:50,524 --> 02:50:52,626 GO AHEAD, PLEASE. 3888 02:50:52,626 --> 02:50:54,995 - SO IN TERMS OF NORTH CAROLINA A&T, 3889 02:50:54,995 --> 02:50:57,497 THE UNIVERSITY HAS A COMMITMENT, 3890 02:50:57,497 --> 02:51:00,000 SOME STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS 3891 02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:03,837 IN TERMS OF PUTTING RESEARCH ADMINISTRATORS IN THE COLLEGES 3892 02:51:03,837 --> 02:51:05,572 TO REDUCE THE BURDEN. 3893 02:51:05,572 --> 02:51:07,841 THAT'S PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE 3894 02:51:07,841 --> 02:51:10,043 THAT A LOT OF OUR FACULTY ARE DEALING WITH. 3895 02:51:10,043 --> 02:51:12,245 THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MANAGING THE LABS, 3896 02:51:12,245 --> 02:51:13,413 HIRING STUDENTS, 3897 02:51:13,413 --> 02:51:16,383 PROCESSING THEIR OWN PROCUREMENT REQUISITIONS. 3898 02:51:16,383 --> 02:51:19,753 WE ARE ALSO INVESTING IN TRAINING THE CURRENT STAFF 3899 02:51:19,753 --> 02:51:20,587 THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE 3900 02:51:20,587 --> 02:51:22,680 BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROFESSIONALIZE 3901 02:51:22,680 --> 02:51:24,157 RESEARCH ADMINISTRATION 3902 02:51:24,157 --> 02:51:26,026 NOT ONLY AT THE CENTRAL OFFICE 3903 02:51:26,026 --> 02:51:27,360 BUT ALSO WITHIN THE COLLEGES 3904 02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:30,363 SO THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE ADMINS, 3905 02:51:30,363 --> 02:51:33,366 BUT THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND NOT ONLY THE INSTITUTIONAL 3906 02:51:33,366 --> 02:51:34,367 AND STATE REQUIREMENTS 3907 02:51:34,367 --> 02:51:37,504 BUT ALSO THE FEDERAL REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS. 3908 02:51:37,504 --> 02:51:39,539 SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS 3909 02:51:39,539 --> 02:51:42,008 THAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR CAMPUS. 3910 02:51:42,008 --> 02:51:44,177 - [JEAN] THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 3911 02:51:44,177 --> 02:51:47,180 - AND ONE THING THAT I WANNA ADD IS, 3912 02:51:48,482 --> 02:51:52,519 AND THIS IS A WAY UPPER THAN MY POSITION, 3913 02:51:52,519 --> 02:51:53,753 BUT I WAS JUST THINKING 3914 02:51:53,753 --> 02:51:58,325 THAT CENTERS OF EXCELLENCE USUALLY HELP IN THIS REGARD, 3915 02:51:59,759 --> 02:52:01,761 BECAUSE THEY DO, 3916 02:52:01,761 --> 02:52:03,930 SO THEIR REGULATIONS ARE A BIT DIFFERENT, 3917 02:52:03,930 --> 02:52:06,032 SO YOU MAY CONSIDER THOSE 3918 02:52:07,634 --> 02:52:08,969 AS POSSIBLE WAYS 3919 02:52:11,338 --> 02:52:15,108 OF INCREASING THE RESEARCH FOR FACULTY. 3920 02:52:15,108 --> 02:52:16,042 - [JEAN] OKAY, THANKS, REZA. 3921 02:52:16,042 --> 02:52:17,944 THINK WE HAVE TIME FOR MAYBE ONE MORE, 3922 02:52:17,944 --> 02:52:19,779 AND, PLEASE, GO AHEAD. 3923 02:52:22,249 --> 02:52:24,117 - MY NAME IS MANSOUR MORTAZAVI, 3924 02:52:24,117 --> 02:52:28,488 I'M VICE CHANCELLOR FOR RESEARCH AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, 3925 02:52:28,488 --> 02:52:32,058 AND ALSO I'M PROFESSOR, STILL DO RESEARCH, 3926 02:52:32,058 --> 02:52:35,729 AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS AT PINE BLUFF. 3927 02:52:35,729 --> 02:52:37,564 I DON'T THINK I HAVE A QUESTION, 3928 02:52:37,564 --> 02:52:39,900 I HAVE JUST A COMMENT. 3929 02:52:39,900 --> 02:52:44,638 THOSE SCHOOLS THAT THEY CAN'T REALLY AFFORD THE RELEASE TIME 3930 02:52:44,638 --> 02:52:46,940 BECAUSE THIS IS VERY EXPENSIVE 3931 02:52:46,940 --> 02:52:50,844 COMPARED TO DO INDIRECT COST OR FRINGE BENEFIT, 3932 02:52:52,012 --> 02:52:54,614 ALL THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH. 3933 02:52:54,614 --> 02:52:57,050 THEY CAN'T EVEN AFFORD THAT. 3934 02:52:57,050 --> 02:53:00,754 HOWEVER, WHAT I DID WAS I JUST PLAYED THE POLITICS 3935 02:53:00,754 --> 02:53:02,355 OF THE UNIVERSITY. 3936 02:53:02,355 --> 02:53:05,959 I HAD HALF A MILLION DOLLARS GRANT FROM DOD 3937 02:53:06,993 --> 02:53:09,496 THAT WAS EQUIPMENT GRANT. 3938 02:53:09,496 --> 02:53:12,165 AND ONE OF THE EQUIPMENT WAS IN, 3939 02:53:13,466 --> 02:53:15,468 YOU KNOW, IN OUR SYSTEMS STUFF 3940 02:53:15,468 --> 02:53:20,206 THAT I HAD SUPPOSED TO SHARE WITH ALL THE FACULTY ANYWAY. 3941 02:53:22,042 --> 02:53:24,911 BUT I WENT TO CHAIRMAN, SAID, 3942 02:53:24,911 --> 02:53:27,247 "I GIVE THIS 150K INSTRUMENT 3943 02:53:29,015 --> 02:53:31,851 TO HELP ALL THE FACULTY HERE 3944 02:53:31,851 --> 02:53:34,788 IF YOU GIVE ME ONLINE COURSES." 3945 02:53:34,788 --> 02:53:38,291 BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU GET RELEASE TIME, 3946 02:53:38,291 --> 02:53:40,694 THAT DOESN'T REALLY HELP MUCH 3947 02:53:42,062 --> 02:53:45,298 BECAUSE RESEARCHERS NEED BLOCK OF TIME. 3948 02:53:46,533 --> 02:53:48,301 YOU CANNOT HAVE GO RESEARCH, 3949 02:53:48,301 --> 02:53:51,738 HAVE ONE HOUR OF HERE, ONE HOUR OF THERE. 3950 02:53:51,738 --> 02:53:52,906 THEN I WORK IT OUT, 3951 02:53:52,906 --> 02:53:55,709 THEY GAVE ME ONLINE COURSE, 3952 02:53:55,709 --> 02:53:57,477 WHICH I HAD DEVELOPED, 3953 02:53:57,477 --> 02:53:59,579 THEN IT GAVE ME A GOOD BLOCK OF TIME, 3954 02:53:59,579 --> 02:54:01,581 SIT AND THINK AND WRITE. 3955 02:54:03,283 --> 02:54:07,621 AFTER I GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE SUCCESS IN THESE THINGS, 3956 02:54:07,621 --> 02:54:10,056 I PICKED MY OWN CLASSES, 3957 02:54:10,056 --> 02:54:11,558 YOU KNOW, WHEN I WANNA TEACH, 3958 02:54:11,558 --> 02:54:12,892 WHEN I WANNA DO THINGS. 3959 02:54:12,892 --> 02:54:15,061 THIS MAY NOT WORK EVERYWHERE, 3960 02:54:15,061 --> 02:54:17,430 BUT THE FIRST THING, 3961 02:54:17,430 --> 02:54:19,466 I STARTED WITH THE CHAIR, 3962 02:54:19,466 --> 02:54:21,167 YOU KNOW, THEN D. 3963 02:54:21,167 --> 02:54:23,837 YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET A BIT OLD FOR A DOCTOR, 3964 02:54:23,837 --> 02:54:26,940 THEY ACTUALLY REALIZE THEY ACCOMMODATE YOU. 3965 02:54:26,940 --> 02:54:27,774 THAT'S IT. 3966 02:54:31,911 --> 02:54:34,147 - [JEAN] OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 3967 02:54:34,147 --> 02:54:35,281 JENNIFER, ONE MORE, YES? 3968 02:54:35,281 --> 02:54:36,282 - [JENNIFER] DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE? 3969 02:54:36,282 --> 02:54:37,717 - [JEAN] SURE, GO AHEAD. 3970 02:54:37,717 --> 02:54:39,386 - FIRST, LUCILE, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING 3971 02:54:39,386 --> 02:54:41,087 THIS IS A SEVEN-DAY-A-WEEK JOB, 3972 02:54:41,087 --> 02:54:42,822 'CAUSE IT'S NOT POPULAR, 3973 02:54:42,822 --> 02:54:44,457 AND THERE'S TIMES THAT I'M ABOUT 3974 02:54:44,457 --> 02:54:46,426 TO WRITE RIGHT THROUGH THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, 3975 02:54:46,426 --> 02:54:47,961 AND PEOPLE DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT, 3976 02:54:47,961 --> 02:54:49,996 AND ESPECIALLY THESE DAYS, 3977 02:54:49,996 --> 02:54:51,731 SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 3978 02:54:52,899 --> 02:54:54,334 BUT THEN THE OTHER THING, 3979 02:54:54,334 --> 02:54:57,237 I REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENT ON MENTORS. 3980 02:54:57,237 --> 02:55:00,373 AND I AM WALKING INTO A POSITION 3981 02:55:00,373 --> 02:55:03,276 AS A DIRECTOR OF A RESEARCH INSTITUTE, 3982 02:55:03,276 --> 02:55:06,112 AND THE UNIVERSITY IS TRANSITIONING 3983 02:55:06,112 --> 02:55:08,682 TO BE MORE RESEARCH-INTENSIVE, 3984 02:55:08,682 --> 02:55:10,483 AND THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT HISTORY 3985 02:55:10,483 --> 02:55:14,654 OF MENTORING AROUND RESEARCH SET UP WITHIN THE UNIVERSITY. 3986 02:55:14,654 --> 02:55:17,390 I MEAN, AND I CAN MENTOR A FEW PEOPLE, 3987 02:55:17,390 --> 02:55:18,491 BUT I CAN'T MENTOR, 3988 02:55:18,491 --> 02:55:21,194 I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND GOING ABOUT STARTING 3989 02:55:21,194 --> 02:55:23,863 TO SET UP THAT MENTORING MINDSET 3990 02:55:25,965 --> 02:55:26,966 WITHIN THE UNIVERSITY 3991 02:55:26,966 --> 02:55:30,270 WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE IN SENIOR POSITIONS 3992 02:55:30,270 --> 02:55:34,441 WHO WERE TENURED ON RESEARCH NECESSARILY? 3993 02:55:34,441 --> 02:55:37,610 - I HAVE TO SAY, WHEN I FIRST WENT TO HOWARD UNIVERSITY, 3994 02:55:37,610 --> 02:55:40,613 RESEARCH WAS NOT IN THE MISSION STATEMENT. 3995 02:55:40,613 --> 02:55:42,449 IT WAS ABOUT TEACHING 3996 02:55:42,449 --> 02:55:45,385 AND UNIVERSITY SERVICES AND CLINICAL SERVICES. 3997 02:55:45,385 --> 02:55:46,920 AND SO THE NEW PRESIDENT ADDED RESEARCH, 3998 02:55:46,920 --> 02:55:48,321 AND I WENT TO THEM AND SAID, 3999 02:55:48,321 --> 02:55:49,289 "SO NOW YOU'VE ADDED RESEARCH, 4000 02:55:49,289 --> 02:55:50,423 YOU HAVE ALL THESE TEACHERS, 4001 02:55:50,423 --> 02:55:51,858 WHAT DO YOU DO?" 4002 02:55:51,858 --> 02:55:53,893 YOU TRY TO MOLD THEM INTO RESEARCHERS. 4003 02:55:53,893 --> 02:55:56,062 BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT MENTORING, 4004 02:55:56,062 --> 02:55:59,165 I THINK THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO 4005 02:55:59,165 --> 02:56:01,735 BEYOND YOUR BORDERS, LITERALLY, 4006 02:56:03,036 --> 02:56:04,037 AND NETWORK. 4007 02:56:04,904 --> 02:56:07,407 NIH, THERE ARE SO MANY EVENTS AND MEETINGS 4008 02:56:07,407 --> 02:56:08,374 AND ALL THAT COME ABOUT, 4009 02:56:08,374 --> 02:56:11,044 EVEN THESE HERE RIGHT NOW, 4010 02:56:11,044 --> 02:56:14,247 THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY FOCUS ON NETWORKING. 4011 02:56:14,247 --> 02:56:16,916 NETWORKING HELPS YOU PICK UP MENTORS AS WELL. 4012 02:56:16,916 --> 02:56:18,685 AND PEOPLE, YOUR MENTEES, 4013 02:56:18,685 --> 02:56:21,087 THEY HAVE TO GO TO MEETINGS. 4014 02:56:21,087 --> 02:56:23,056 PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO GO AWAY TO MEETINGS. 4015 02:56:23,056 --> 02:56:24,858 THERE ARE MEETINGS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT CITIES 4016 02:56:24,858 --> 02:56:27,293 AND STATES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ALL THE TIME, 4017 02:56:27,293 --> 02:56:30,163 THEY HAVE TO BEGIN TO MENTOR. 4018 02:56:30,163 --> 02:56:32,699 FIND NETWORKS SO THEY CAN IDENTIFY MENTORS. 4019 02:56:32,699 --> 02:56:34,167 DON'T EXPECT IT ALL IN THAT ONE GROUP, 4020 02:56:34,167 --> 02:56:36,536 AND IF YOU HAVE A PLACE THAT YOU COLLABORATE WITH, 4021 02:56:36,536 --> 02:56:38,705 TRY TO GET A FEW PEOPLE AND START THAT. 4022 02:56:38,705 --> 02:56:41,241 WE HAVE MENTORING WRITING GROUPS 4023 02:56:41,241 --> 02:56:43,476 WHERE NOT THAT YOU HELP THEM WRITE, 4024 02:56:43,476 --> 02:56:45,345 BUT YOU BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER, 4025 02:56:45,345 --> 02:56:47,947 AND THEY MIGHT WRITE FOR ONE OR TWO HOURS. 4026 02:56:47,947 --> 02:56:49,415 AND THERE'S CHECK-INS AND ALL, 4027 02:56:49,415 --> 02:56:50,683 JUST LIKE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? 4028 02:56:50,683 --> 02:56:52,051 BUT IT GIVES THEM A TIME, 4029 02:56:52,051 --> 02:56:54,120 THE CAMARADERIE THAT THEY'RE TOGETHER, 4030 02:56:54,120 --> 02:56:56,089 BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR OWN PROJECTS. 4031 02:56:56,089 --> 02:56:58,691 SO THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESS THAT NOW, 4032 02:56:58,691 --> 02:57:02,328 BECAUSE EVERYBODY EVEN AT GEORGETOWN, 4033 02:57:02,328 --> 02:57:04,798 WE HAVE TO GET MENTORS FROM OTHER PLACES STILL 4034 02:57:04,798 --> 02:57:07,000 FOR CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW. 4035 02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:09,369 SO THAT'S, I WOULD SAY, 4036 02:57:09,369 --> 02:57:11,271 NETWORKING IS ONE WAY. 4037 02:57:11,271 --> 02:57:12,105 IT'S A BIG WAY, 4038 02:57:12,105 --> 02:57:14,407 AND I THINK THAT'S A POSITION 4039 02:57:14,407 --> 02:57:15,809 THAT YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE, 4040 02:57:15,809 --> 02:57:18,244 THAT WE NEED TO NETWORK MORE. 4041 02:57:20,246 --> 02:57:21,080 - OKAY, GREAT. 4042 02:57:21,080 --> 02:57:22,148 THANK YOU SO MUCH, AGAIN, 4043 02:57:22,148 --> 02:57:23,650 A HAND FOR OUR PANEL. 4044 02:57:23,650 --> 02:57:26,753 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 4045 02:57:28,688 --> 02:57:30,490 AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO EVERYONE 4046 02:57:30,490 --> 02:57:35,495 WHO SERVED A LOT OF GREAT DIALOGUE AND GREAT CONVERSATION. 4047 02:57:35,829 --> 02:57:37,630 WE'RE GONNA BE TRANSITIONING TO OUR NEXT SESSION, 4048 02:57:37,630 --> 02:57:39,232 SO IT'LL JUST BE A COUPLE MINUTES. 4049 02:57:39,232 --> 02:57:42,702 AND WOULD LIKE TO ASK DR. CRUMP, 4050 02:57:42,702 --> 02:57:44,804 DR. LASH ALSO TO COME UP. 4051 02:57:46,973 --> 02:57:47,807 THANK YOU. 4052 02:57:56,983 --> 02:57:59,219 (NO AUDIO) 4053 02:58:06,993 --> 02:58:09,229 (NO AUDIO) 4054 02:58:16,970 --> 02:58:19,239 (NO AUDIO) 4055 02:58:26,980 --> 02:58:29,215 (NO AUDIO) 4056 02:58:36,990 --> 02:58:39,225 (NO AUDIO) 4057 02:58:46,966 --> 02:58:49,235 (NO AUDIO) 4058 02:59:00,046 --> 02:59:05,084 OKAY, WE ARE TRANSITIONING RIGHT INTO OUR NEXT SESSION, 4059 02:59:05,084 --> 02:59:07,487 STRATEGIES FOR HELPING YOUR FACULTY DEVELOP 4060 02:59:07,487 --> 02:59:10,156 AND SUBMIT COMPETITIVE APPLICATIONS. 4061 02:59:10,156 --> 02:59:12,859 SO WE JUST HEARD FROM A PANEL OF, 4062 02:59:12,859 --> 02:59:15,929 AGAIN, YOUR PEER FACULTY AND ADMINISTRATORS. 4063 02:59:15,929 --> 02:59:17,530 NOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE PLEASURE 4064 02:59:17,530 --> 02:59:22,602 OF HAVING TWO EXPERIENCED PROGRAM DIRECTORS HERE AT NIH, 4065 02:59:22,602 --> 02:59:25,571 DR. TIFFANI BAILEY LASH FROM NIBIB 4066 02:59:25,571 --> 02:59:28,308 AND DR. ARIA CRUMP FROM NIDA. 4067 02:59:28,308 --> 02:59:30,343 AND THEY'RE GONNA BE SHARING WITH YOU 4068 02:59:30,343 --> 02:59:32,545 SOME OF THEIR THOUGHTS. 4069 02:59:32,545 --> 02:59:35,214 SO, DR. CRUMP IS GONNA GO FIRST. 4070 02:59:41,554 --> 02:59:43,022 - GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. 4071 02:59:43,022 --> 02:59:46,292 IT IS AN HONOR AND A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY. 4072 02:59:46,292 --> 02:59:48,428 THIS IS A VERY IMPRESSIVE GROUP, 4073 02:59:48,428 --> 02:59:50,930 AND I DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY 4074 02:59:50,930 --> 02:59:52,565 TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. 4075 02:59:52,565 --> 02:59:54,968 I THINK THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MEETING 4076 02:59:54,968 --> 02:59:57,937 AND THERE'S SO MANY GOOD IDEAS TO SHARE. 4077 02:59:57,937 --> 02:59:59,305 THIS IS TRULY A DIALOGUE, 4078 02:59:59,305 --> 03:00:02,508 WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASK YOU TO INTERRUPT 4079 03:00:02,508 --> 03:00:05,111 AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO INTERRUPT 4080 03:00:05,111 --> 03:00:08,848 AND ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT YOU NEED TO ASK OF US. 4081 03:00:08,848 --> 03:00:12,952 SO, YOU KNOW NIH MAKES AWARDS TO INSTITUTIONS 4082 03:00:12,952 --> 03:00:15,521 THROUGH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A VERY RIGOROUS 4083 03:00:15,521 --> 03:00:18,057 BUT NOT PERFECT PROCESS. 4084 03:00:18,057 --> 03:00:21,494 THE DATA SUGGESTS, AS WE HAVE BEEN ALREADY DISCUSSING TODAY, 4085 03:00:21,494 --> 03:00:24,163 THAT MANY INSTITUTIONS HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE 4086 03:00:24,163 --> 03:00:28,468 THAT LEAD TO EXTRAORDINARY SUCCESS IN THEIR AWARDS, 4087 03:00:28,468 --> 03:00:31,137 BUT THOSE INSTITUTIONS ARE NO DIFFERENT 4088 03:00:31,137 --> 03:00:33,072 FROM OTHER INSTITUTIONS 4089 03:00:34,340 --> 03:00:38,978 THAT ALSO ATTRACT HIGHLY ACCOMPLISHED SCIENTIFIC MINDS. 4090 03:00:38,978 --> 03:00:40,046 AND IN THIS SESSION, 4091 03:00:40,046 --> 03:00:43,049 WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW WE MAKE SURE 4092 03:00:43,049 --> 03:00:45,685 THAT ALL INSTITUTIONS HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES 4093 03:00:45,685 --> 03:00:48,755 TO HAVE GRANT SUCCESS WITH NIH. 4094 03:00:48,755 --> 03:00:51,190 SO, THE GOAL, THE TARGET HERE 4095 03:00:52,458 --> 03:00:54,627 IS REALLY HELPING YOU THINK ABOUT 4096 03:00:54,627 --> 03:00:56,262 WHAT TO TELL FACULTY 4097 03:00:56,262 --> 03:00:58,865 AND WHAT LESSONS, WHAT MESSAGES 4098 03:01:00,033 --> 03:01:02,201 TO SEND TO FACULTY PEOPLE. 4099 03:01:03,603 --> 03:01:06,939 AND SO IF YOU FEEL DAUNTED BY THAT CHALLENGE 4100 03:01:06,939 --> 03:01:11,177 OF BUILDING UP YOUR INSTITUTION'S SUCCESS WITH NIH, 4101 03:01:12,678 --> 03:01:16,315 I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE JUST HEARD A WONDERFUL PANEL 4102 03:01:16,315 --> 03:01:20,153 AND THERE ARE MANY OTHER SUCCESS STORIES AROUND 4103 03:01:20,153 --> 03:01:24,390 AND THAT WE SHOULD BE LEARNING FROM SUCCESS STORIES. 4104 03:01:24,390 --> 03:01:26,025 I THINK IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE 4105 03:01:26,025 --> 03:01:27,160 TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY 4106 03:01:27,160 --> 03:01:30,430 TO TALK TO OUR COLLEAGUES HERE IN THE ROOM 4107 03:01:30,430 --> 03:01:32,698 AS WELL AS AROUND THE COUNTRY 4108 03:01:32,698 --> 03:01:36,269 WHO ACTUALLY HAVE INCREDIBLE SUCCESS STORIES, 4109 03:01:36,269 --> 03:01:38,604 EVEN IF IT'S ONE GRANT, TWO GRANT, 4110 03:01:38,604 --> 03:01:40,139 10 GRANTS, RIGHT? 4111 03:01:40,139 --> 03:01:42,942 THEY'RE STILL, IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION, 4112 03:01:42,942 --> 03:01:45,044 REAL SUCCESS STORIES. 4113 03:01:45,044 --> 03:01:47,413 IF YOUR FACULTY FEELS SKEPTICAL 4114 03:01:47,413 --> 03:01:50,817 WHEN YOU GO TO THEM ABOUT GETTING AWARDS, 4115 03:01:50,817 --> 03:01:53,619 OR WORSE, IF THEY FEEL CYNICAL, 4116 03:01:53,619 --> 03:01:57,356 REMIND THEM TO REFLECT ON WHAT MADE THEM EXCITED 4117 03:01:57,356 --> 03:02:00,326 ABOUT GOING INTO A CAREER IN SCIENCE, 4118 03:02:00,326 --> 03:02:03,362 REMIND THEM NOT TO LOSE THAT PASSION, 4119 03:02:03,362 --> 03:02:04,664 AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND 4120 03:02:04,664 --> 03:02:08,668 HOW HAVING SUCCESS WITH NIH GRANTS CAN BE A PART 4121 03:02:09,936 --> 03:02:14,006 OF THEIR SUCCESS STORY AS A FACULTY PERSON. 4122 03:02:14,006 --> 03:02:16,809 AND I'VE HEARD THIS MULTIPLE TIMES TODAY, 4123 03:02:16,809 --> 03:02:18,611 AND I JUST WANNA SAY IT, 4124 03:02:18,611 --> 03:02:20,179 PLEASE SEND THE MESSAGE 4125 03:02:20,179 --> 03:02:23,316 THAT THEY SHOULD NOT SEE THEMSELVES AS AN ISLAND. 4126 03:02:23,316 --> 03:02:25,351 THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING, 4127 03:02:25,351 --> 03:02:26,919 THEY DON'T HAVE TO KNOW EVERYTHING, 4128 03:02:26,919 --> 03:02:28,955 AND THEY CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO KNOW EVERYTHING 4129 03:02:28,955 --> 03:02:31,624 WHEN THEY'RE FIRST STARTING OUT. 4130 03:02:31,624 --> 03:02:36,562 WHEN THEY GO THROUGH GRADUATE SCHOOL OR PROFESSIONAL SCHOOL 4131 03:02:36,562 --> 03:02:39,031 AND EXIT THEIR POSTDOCS, 4132 03:02:39,031 --> 03:02:41,501 THERE'S A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE THAT'S MISSING. 4133 03:02:41,501 --> 03:02:43,836 AND SO IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT 4134 03:02:43,836 --> 03:02:47,807 TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S TIME TO LEARN 4135 03:02:47,807 --> 03:02:50,576 AND THAT THERE IS A LEARNING CURVE 4136 03:02:50,576 --> 03:02:52,311 AND THAT THAT'S OKAY. 4137 03:02:54,413 --> 03:02:56,282 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMPETENCIES 4138 03:02:56,282 --> 03:02:58,584 THAT FOLKS WILL NEED TO PICK UP. 4139 03:02:58,584 --> 03:02:59,752 AND LET'S SEE. 4140 03:03:02,588 --> 03:03:04,724 I WANNA START TODAY BY TALKING A LITTLE, 4141 03:03:04,724 --> 03:03:06,459 WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 4142 03:03:06,459 --> 03:03:07,293 DO I HAVE? 4143 03:03:08,594 --> 03:03:09,495 THERE WE GO, 4144 03:03:09,495 --> 03:03:10,997 TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 4145 03:03:14,267 --> 03:03:15,101 OH. 4146 03:03:17,103 --> 03:03:18,171 THIS IS REALLY FANCY, 4147 03:03:18,171 --> 03:03:21,374 I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MOVE THE SLIDES WITH THIS. 4148 03:03:21,374 --> 03:03:22,375 YOU JUST, OH, I SEE IT, 4149 03:03:22,375 --> 03:03:24,744 OH, IT'S A TOUCH SCREEN! 4150 03:03:24,744 --> 03:03:27,747 OH MY GOSH, THIS IS FANCY, SORRY. 4151 03:03:27,747 --> 03:03:28,881 I'M NOT USED TO THIS. 4152 03:03:28,881 --> 03:03:32,718 OKAY, SO WHAT BASIC KNOWLEDGE DO FACULTY NEED? 4153 03:03:35,087 --> 03:03:36,956 WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THIS TODAY, 4154 03:03:36,956 --> 03:03:37,790 BUT I JUST WANTED 4155 03:03:37,790 --> 03:03:42,328 TO GO THROUGH IT VERY SUCCINCTLY AND CAPSULIZE. 4156 03:03:42,328 --> 03:03:46,332 WHAT IS IT THAT FACULTY NEED TO UNDERSTAND? 4157 03:03:46,332 --> 03:03:48,834 ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS IS HOW ARE WE ORGANIZED, 4158 03:03:48,834 --> 03:03:50,870 YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT INSTITUTES AND CENTERS. 4159 03:03:50,870 --> 03:03:52,205 MY INSTITUTE, BY THE WAY, 4160 03:03:52,205 --> 03:03:53,439 WE CALL OURSELVES NIDA, 4161 03:03:53,439 --> 03:03:55,775 BUT IT'S THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON DRUG ABUSE. 4162 03:03:55,775 --> 03:03:58,644 ALL OF THEM HAVE THESE LITTLE WEIRD ACRONYMS, 4163 03:03:58,644 --> 03:04:01,581 BUT THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN MISSIONS, 4164 03:04:01,581 --> 03:04:03,683 THEY ALL HAVE THEIR OWN BUDGETS, 4165 03:04:03,683 --> 03:04:06,552 THEY OFTEN HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RULES. 4166 03:04:06,552 --> 03:04:08,688 AND SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING WITH ONE INSTITUTE, 4167 03:04:08,688 --> 03:04:10,590 YOU'RE WORKING WITH ONE INSTITUTE. 4168 03:04:10,590 --> 03:04:13,559 AND IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND 4169 03:04:13,559 --> 03:04:16,762 THAT TALKING TO A PROGRAM PERSON 4170 03:04:16,762 --> 03:04:20,833 ISN'T ONLY ABOUT GETTING ADVICE ON THE FIT 4171 03:04:20,833 --> 03:04:24,036 FOR THEIR RESEARCH WITH THAT PARTICULAR INSTITUTE, 4172 03:04:24,036 --> 03:04:25,204 IT'S ALSO LEARNING 4173 03:04:25,204 --> 03:04:29,542 HOW THAT PARTICULAR INSTITUTE DOES ITS BUSINESS. 4174 03:04:29,542 --> 03:04:33,879 EACH INSTITUTE HAS ITS OWN STRATEGIC PLAN. 4175 03:04:33,879 --> 03:04:38,150 SO IF YOU KNOW YOUR WORK FALLS UNDER THE PURVIEW 4176 03:04:38,150 --> 03:04:39,885 OF A PARTICULAR INSTITUTE, 4177 03:04:39,885 --> 03:04:42,822 TAKE THE TIME AS A FACULTY PERSON 4178 03:04:42,822 --> 03:04:44,457 TO LOOK AT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN 4179 03:04:44,457 --> 03:04:45,625 AND GET A GOOD SENSE 4180 03:04:45,625 --> 03:04:49,428 OF HOW YOUR SPECIFIC SCIENTIFIC INTEREST FITS. 4181 03:04:50,296 --> 03:04:52,598 BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, 4182 03:04:52,598 --> 03:04:55,735 THAT INSTITUTE HAS A SET OF PRIORITIES, 4183 03:04:55,735 --> 03:04:57,770 AND THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THOSE PRIORITIES 4184 03:04:57,770 --> 03:05:00,039 WHEN THEY DECIDE WHAT TO FUND. 4185 03:05:00,039 --> 03:05:01,574 ONE THING THAT SURPRISED ME 4186 03:05:01,574 --> 03:05:04,977 AS A VERY JUNIOR PROGRAM DIRECTOR/PROGRAM OFFICIAL, 4187 03:05:04,977 --> 03:05:07,580 THOSE ARE INTERCHANGEABLE, 4188 03:05:07,580 --> 03:05:09,482 REALLY SURPRISED ME WAS LEARNING 4189 03:05:09,482 --> 03:05:13,152 THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN AMAZING PRIORITY SCORE. 4190 03:05:14,186 --> 03:05:17,757 BUT IF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IS TOTALLY OUTSIDE 4191 03:05:17,757 --> 03:05:20,626 OF THE SCOPE OF THAT INSTITUTE'S INTEREST, 4192 03:05:20,626 --> 03:05:22,228 PRIORITIES AT THAT MOMENT, 4193 03:05:22,228 --> 03:05:24,563 EVEN IF IT'S ASSIGNED TO THAT INSTITUTE, 4194 03:05:24,563 --> 03:05:26,565 THAT INSTITUTE COULD SKIP THAT GRANT. 4195 03:05:26,565 --> 03:05:28,200 THAT WAS A LESSON FOR ME. 4196 03:05:28,200 --> 03:05:30,703 BUT THE OTHER LESSON IS WHAT I JUST SAID, 4197 03:05:30,703 --> 03:05:33,205 IF YOU KNOW ONE INSTITUTE, YOU KNOW ONE INSTITUTE. 4198 03:05:33,205 --> 03:05:36,609 AND SOME INSTITUTES HAVE FUNDING PRACTICES 4199 03:05:36,609 --> 03:05:37,810 THAT ARE MORE CONDUCIVE 4200 03:05:37,810 --> 03:05:41,247 TO THAT TYPE OF DECISION-MAKING THAN OTHERS. 4201 03:05:41,247 --> 03:05:46,252 SO UNDERSTANDING INSTITUTES AND CENTERS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 4202 03:05:47,019 --> 03:05:48,287 FUNDING CYCLES. 4203 03:05:50,222 --> 03:05:52,558 I'M SURE EVERYONE IN THE ROOM IS AWARE 4204 03:05:52,558 --> 03:05:56,796 THAT WITH NIH WE HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES PER YEAR 4205 03:05:56,796 --> 03:05:59,699 THAT INVESTIGATORS CAN SUBMIT. 4206 03:05:59,699 --> 03:06:02,101 AND IF YOU'RE USING AN INVESTIGATOR-INITIATED 4207 03:06:02,101 --> 03:06:05,538 OR A PARENT NOFO, NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, 4208 03:06:05,538 --> 03:06:07,373 AS WE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER, 4209 03:06:07,373 --> 03:06:10,509 THEN YOU CAN JUST PICK YOUR DATE, HONESTLY. 4210 03:06:10,509 --> 03:06:13,779 SAY, IF YOU KNOW YOU'RE SUBMITTING A R21 4211 03:06:13,779 --> 03:06:16,282 AND YOUR PARTICULAR INSTITUTE PARTICIPATES, 4212 03:06:16,282 --> 03:06:19,385 YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE INSTITUTE 4213 03:06:19,385 --> 03:06:22,788 THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO BE FUNDED BY PARTICIPATES 4214 03:06:22,788 --> 03:06:25,591 IN THAT PARTICULAR PARENT MECHANISM, RIGHT? 4215 03:06:25,591 --> 03:06:27,793 THE R21, FOR EXAMPLE. 4216 03:06:27,793 --> 03:06:29,228 YOU CAN PICK YOUR DATE, 4217 03:06:29,228 --> 03:06:31,664 BUT WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU PULL UP THAT NOFO 4218 03:06:31,664 --> 03:06:33,699 AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE KEY DATES. 4219 03:06:33,699 --> 03:06:34,967 AND YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, 4220 03:06:34,967 --> 03:06:36,736 OKAY, WHAT IS MY TARGET? 4221 03:06:36,736 --> 03:06:38,404 YOU KNOW, YOU SET YOUR TARGET DATE 4222 03:06:38,404 --> 03:06:41,907 BASED ON WHAT THOSE RECEIPT DATES ARE. 4223 03:06:41,907 --> 03:06:43,209 AND YOU KNOW THAT, 4224 03:06:43,209 --> 03:06:46,812 AND I'M GONNA GO OFF SCRIPT A LITTLE AND SAY SOMETHING THAT, 4225 03:06:46,812 --> 03:06:49,315 YOU KNOW, NEVER REALLY WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE 4226 03:06:49,315 --> 03:06:51,217 BUT I KINDA WANTED TO TELL PEOPLE, 4227 03:06:51,217 --> 03:06:54,053 WHICH IS THE FEBRUARY FUNDING DATE 4228 03:06:57,089 --> 03:06:59,024 GOES TO A COUNCIL 4229 03:06:59,024 --> 03:07:02,395 THAT'S RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, 4230 03:07:02,395 --> 03:07:05,664 I'M SORRY, THE FEBRUARY RECEIPT DATE GOES TO A COUNCIL 4231 03:07:05,664 --> 03:07:08,868 THAT'S RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF A NEW FISCAL YEAR, 4232 03:07:08,868 --> 03:07:12,138 AND OFTEN THAT CAN LEAD TO SOME SLIGHTS DELAYS. 4233 03:07:12,138 --> 03:07:16,108 AND SO THERE ARE LITTLE NUANCES, RIGHT, 4234 03:07:16,108 --> 03:07:19,578 THAT YOU HAVE TO AT LEAST BE AWARE OF OR PREPARED FOR. 4235 03:07:19,578 --> 03:07:22,748 TYPICALLY, IT'S GONNA BE NINE MONTHS AT THE LEAST 4236 03:07:22,748 --> 03:07:24,517 FROM THE TIME YOU SUBMIT 4237 03:07:24,517 --> 03:07:27,586 TO THE TIME YOU WOULD SEE AN AWARD. 4238 03:07:27,586 --> 03:07:29,455 BUT THERE ARE LITTLE KIND OF WEIRD THINGS 4239 03:07:29,455 --> 03:07:32,792 THAT CAN HAPPEN RELATED TO BUDGETS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, 4240 03:07:32,792 --> 03:07:36,028 THAT MIGHT MAKE THAT GO A LITTLE LONGER. 4241 03:07:36,028 --> 03:07:37,696 SO GRANT MECHANISMS. 4242 03:07:38,864 --> 03:07:42,101 BACK TO UNDERSTANDING HOW NIH WORKS. 4243 03:07:42,101 --> 03:07:43,269 WE HEARD EARLIER, 4244 03:07:43,269 --> 03:07:44,970 THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT 4245 03:07:44,970 --> 03:07:46,338 WHAT WE CALL MECHANISMS. 4246 03:07:46,338 --> 03:07:49,475 IF IT'S A CAREER AWARD, WE CALL IT A K, 4247 03:07:49,475 --> 03:07:51,811 IF IT'S A CENTER AWARD, WE CALL IT P, 4248 03:07:51,811 --> 03:07:54,480 I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S A P IF IT'S A CENTER. 4249 03:07:54,480 --> 03:07:55,781 BUT IF IT'S A R AWARD, 4250 03:07:55,781 --> 03:07:58,083 IT'S A RESEARCH AWARD, RIGHT? 4251 03:07:58,083 --> 03:08:02,288 SO, UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS 4252 03:08:02,288 --> 03:08:05,758 THAT NIH PROVIDES GRANT FUNDING. 4253 03:08:05,758 --> 03:08:08,093 THERE ARE AWARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, 4254 03:08:08,093 --> 03:08:09,261 LIKE S'S, 4255 03:08:09,261 --> 03:08:10,529 DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT A S IS? 4256 03:08:10,529 --> 03:08:12,865 I MEAN, SO TAKE THE TIME 4257 03:08:12,865 --> 03:08:17,136 TO LOOK AT THE GUIDE FOR GRANTS AND CONTRACTS, 4258 03:08:17,136 --> 03:08:19,972 FOR EXAMPLE, AND UNDERSTAND THAT, 4259 03:08:19,972 --> 03:08:22,608 OH, OKAY, THIS IS THIS TYPE OF MECHANISM, 4260 03:08:22,608 --> 03:08:24,977 AND THEN LOOK AT THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY 4261 03:08:24,977 --> 03:08:27,715 TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PARTICULARS 4262 03:08:27,715 --> 03:08:29,648 ARE FOR THAT MECHANISM. 4263 03:08:29,648 --> 03:08:32,751 WE'VE HEARD ABOUT NOFOS AND NOSIS ALREADY TODAY. 4264 03:08:32,751 --> 03:08:35,054 JUST VERY BRIEFLY, 4265 03:08:35,054 --> 03:08:38,324 NOFO IS THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 4266 03:08:38,324 --> 03:08:40,893 WHENEVER A GRANT AWARD IS MADE, 4267 03:08:40,893 --> 03:08:42,862 IT'S GONNA BE MADE IN ASSOCIATION 4268 03:08:42,862 --> 03:08:45,664 WITH A NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 4269 03:08:45,664 --> 03:08:48,567 A NOSI DOES NOT HAVE MONEY ATTACHED, 4270 03:08:48,567 --> 03:08:53,339 BUT IT POINTS TO A NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? 4271 03:08:53,339 --> 03:08:56,275 SO YOU'RE NOT APPLYING TO A NOSI, 4272 03:08:56,275 --> 03:08:57,109 YOU'RE APPLYING 4273 03:08:57,109 --> 03:08:59,945 TO A PARTICULAR NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY. 4274 03:08:59,945 --> 03:09:02,815 BUT YOU CAN INDICATE THE NOSI, 4275 03:09:02,815 --> 03:09:04,216 BECAUSE THE NOSI'S TELLING YOU 4276 03:09:04,216 --> 03:09:07,386 ABOUT A PARTICULAR AREA OF SCIENTIFIC INTEREST 4277 03:09:07,386 --> 03:09:09,889 THAT AN INSTITUTE HAS. 4278 03:09:09,889 --> 03:09:11,357 AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, 4279 03:09:11,357 --> 03:09:14,527 PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO BRING THOSE UP. 4280 03:09:15,427 --> 03:09:17,663 NEW INVESTIGATOR POLICIES. 4281 03:09:17,663 --> 03:09:20,499 A NEW INVESTIGATOR IS AN INVESTIGATOR 4282 03:09:20,499 --> 03:09:24,003 WHO HAS NEVER HAD A SUBSTANTIAL NIH AWARD. 4283 03:09:25,804 --> 03:09:29,708 SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF AWARDS THAT YOU CAN HAVE 4284 03:09:29,708 --> 03:09:31,677 AND STILL BE CONSIDERED A NEW INVESTIGATOR, 4285 03:09:31,677 --> 03:09:34,680 LIKE A R21 OR A R34, SMALLER GRANTS. 4286 03:09:36,715 --> 03:09:39,852 AN ESI IS AN EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATOR, 4287 03:09:39,852 --> 03:09:42,988 AND THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S WITHIN 10 YEARS 4288 03:09:42,988 --> 03:09:45,057 OF THEIR TERMINAL DEGREE, 4289 03:09:46,458 --> 03:09:50,062 OR, YEAH, AND I THINK MY COLLEAGUE FROM CSR 4290 03:09:51,797 --> 03:09:53,732 WHO'S GONNA FOLLOW MAY TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE 4291 03:09:53,732 --> 03:09:55,334 ABOUT ESI POLICIES. 4292 03:09:56,368 --> 03:09:57,202 BUT WE'RE, 4293 03:09:59,805 --> 03:10:04,777 THE KEY HERE IS THAT THERE ARE BENEFITS IN REVIEW. 4294 03:10:04,777 --> 03:10:08,380 THERE ARE BENEFITS IN MAKING FUNDING DECISIONS 4295 03:10:08,380 --> 03:10:12,251 IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS A NEW INVESTIGATOR, OR ESI, 4296 03:10:12,251 --> 03:10:16,422 AND PARTICULARLY IF AN INDIVIDUAL IS A ESI. 4297 03:10:16,422 --> 03:10:19,158 YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THE ERA COMMONS, 4298 03:10:19,158 --> 03:10:22,094 THAT'S THE TOOL THAT WE'RE ALL USING NATURALLY 4299 03:10:22,094 --> 03:10:24,430 TO GET OUR GRANTS SUBMITTED. 4300 03:10:25,798 --> 03:10:29,802 WE'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF COLLABORATION 4301 03:10:29,802 --> 03:10:31,804 BETWEEN THE INVESTIGATOR 4302 03:10:32,938 --> 03:10:35,107 AND THE SPONSORED PROGRAM OFFICE. 4303 03:10:35,107 --> 03:10:36,609 THAT IS SO IMPORTANT 4304 03:10:36,609 --> 03:10:41,013 TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION AND HAVE THAT COLLABORATION. 4305 03:10:41,013 --> 03:10:42,514 AND SO, LET'S SEE. 4306 03:10:46,619 --> 03:10:49,121 SO, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT 4307 03:10:49,121 --> 03:10:51,457 ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW, 4308 03:10:53,092 --> 03:10:56,629 THE BASICS YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETTER. 4309 03:10:56,629 --> 03:10:59,531 WE BELIEVE THAT LEARNING THIS 4310 03:10:59,531 --> 03:11:03,335 CAN GIVE THE INVESTIGATORS CONFIDENCE 4311 03:11:03,335 --> 03:11:05,604 TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. 4312 03:11:07,439 --> 03:11:08,941 AND IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT, 4313 03:11:08,941 --> 03:11:10,476 AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, 4314 03:11:10,476 --> 03:11:13,178 TO SEEK CONSULTATION AND MENTORSHIP 4315 03:11:13,178 --> 03:11:15,581 FROM OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL 4316 03:11:15,581 --> 03:11:17,583 IN RECEIVING NIH AWARDS. 4317 03:11:18,951 --> 03:11:19,918 AND A LOT OF TIMES, 4318 03:11:19,918 --> 03:11:21,887 I LOVE THAT I HEARD PEOPLE SAY THIS, 4319 03:11:21,887 --> 03:11:23,822 THAT A LOT OF TIMES YOU'D BE SURPRISED 4320 03:11:23,822 --> 03:11:26,759 HOW WILLING THOSE FOLKS ARE 4321 03:11:26,759 --> 03:11:28,560 WHO MAY NOT EVEN KNOW YOU, 4322 03:11:28,560 --> 03:11:29,895 YOU KNOW, IF YOU REACH OUT TO THEM 4323 03:11:29,895 --> 03:11:33,499 TO GIVE YOU SOME ADVICE ON YOUR NEXT STEPS. 4324 03:11:35,868 --> 03:11:39,605 SO, ANOTHER THING I WANNA MENTION IS 4325 03:11:39,605 --> 03:11:43,108 THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE MISSIONS FOR NIH. 4326 03:11:43,108 --> 03:11:47,179 THERE'S CAREER DEVELOPMENT AND RESEARCH TRAINING. 4327 03:11:48,080 --> 03:11:50,082 THERE'S ALSO RESEARCH. 4328 03:11:50,082 --> 03:11:52,416 SO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT VARIOUS 4329 03:11:52,416 --> 03:11:52,951 MECHANISMS 4330 03:11:52,951 --> 03:11:54,887 TO RECOMMEND TO FACULTY 4331 03:11:54,887 --> 03:11:57,856 THAT THEY CAN BE THINKING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE DIRECTIONS. 4332 03:11:57,856 --> 03:12:00,826 IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONLY RESEARCH. 4333 03:12:02,695 --> 03:12:04,963 SO NEXT, I WANT TO GO TO... 4334 03:12:08,867 --> 03:12:10,069 THANK YOU. 4335 03:12:10,069 --> 03:12:13,939 SO THE NEXT THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS FOR, 4336 03:12:13,939 --> 03:12:16,842 YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE TALKING TO FACULTY, 4337 03:12:16,842 --> 03:12:17,676 HOW DO YOU TELL THEM 4338 03:12:17,676 --> 03:12:21,146 ABOUT MAKING THEIR APPLICATION COMPETITIVE? 4339 03:12:21,146 --> 03:12:23,849 PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE ASK THEM 4340 03:12:23,849 --> 03:12:26,685 TO REVIEW THE REVIEW CRITERIA. 4341 03:12:26,685 --> 03:12:29,455 SO IN SECTION V OF EVERY NOFO, 4342 03:12:29,455 --> 03:12:31,957 THEY WILL SEE REVIEW CRITERIA. 4343 03:12:32,958 --> 03:12:35,160 AND IT'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT 4344 03:12:35,160 --> 03:12:38,864 IF IT'S A FELLOWSHIP OR IF IT'S A RESEARCH GRANT. 4345 03:12:38,864 --> 03:12:42,167 IT COULD BE DIFFERENT IF IT'S A CAREER DEVELOPMENT AWARD. 4346 03:12:42,167 --> 03:12:44,169 BUT THE KEY IS THAT THESE ARE THE CRITERIA 4347 03:12:44,169 --> 03:12:46,739 THAT THE PEER REVIEWERS ARE USING 4348 03:12:46,739 --> 03:12:49,108 TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE VALUE, 4349 03:12:49,108 --> 03:12:51,977 THE SCIENTIFIC MERIT OF THE APPLICATION. 4350 03:12:51,977 --> 03:12:54,980 AND SO PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. 4351 03:12:56,181 --> 03:12:59,118 PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE PREMISE 4352 03:13:01,653 --> 03:13:03,655 OR THE FOUNDATION OF WHY 4353 03:13:05,224 --> 03:13:09,394 THIS PARTICULAR SCIENTIFIC PROPOSAL IS BEING MADE. 4354 03:13:12,097 --> 03:13:13,632 YOU WANNA HAVE PRELIMINARY DATA, 4355 03:13:13,632 --> 03:13:15,100 AS WE'VE ALREADY HEARD, 4356 03:13:15,100 --> 03:13:18,403 PARTICULARLY FOR R01 AND LARGER MECHANISMS. 4357 03:13:18,403 --> 03:13:20,172 THERE ARE MECHANISMS 4358 03:13:20,172 --> 03:13:23,108 WHERE PRELIMINARY DATA ARE NOT REQUIRED, 4359 03:13:23,108 --> 03:13:24,276 SUCH AS R21S, 4360 03:13:24,276 --> 03:13:28,313 BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT IF YOU HAVE PRELIMINARY DATA, 4361 03:13:28,313 --> 03:13:29,581 EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED, 4362 03:13:29,581 --> 03:13:31,283 A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE HELPFUL, 4363 03:13:31,283 --> 03:13:32,985 WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS. 4364 03:13:32,985 --> 03:13:37,222 THERE ARE MECHANISMS, SUCH AS THE KATZ R01, 4365 03:13:37,222 --> 03:13:39,992 WHERE PRELIMINARY DATA ARE NOT ALLOWED. 4366 03:13:39,992 --> 03:13:41,593 SO YOU HAVE TO, ONCE AGAIN, 4367 03:13:41,593 --> 03:13:43,695 READ, READ, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS 4368 03:13:43,695 --> 03:13:46,298 FOR EACH NOTICE VERY CAREFULLY. 4369 03:13:47,966 --> 03:13:53,005 YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR LITERATURE REVIEW IS THOROUGH 4370 03:13:53,005 --> 03:13:55,407 AND THAT THE WORK THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS WELL-GROUNDED 4371 03:13:55,407 --> 03:13:57,442 IN THE LITERATURE. 4372 03:13:57,442 --> 03:13:59,044 AND CRITICALLY YOU WANNA MAKE SURE 4373 03:13:59,044 --> 03:14:02,014 THAT THE IC PRIORITIES ALIGN 4374 03:14:02,014 --> 03:14:04,516 WITH YOUR PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. 4375 03:14:06,218 --> 03:14:08,187 SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, 4376 03:14:08,187 --> 03:14:09,655 THAT'S ONE WAY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, 4377 03:14:09,655 --> 03:14:12,257 BUT THE BIG THING TO DO IS REACH OUT 4378 03:14:12,257 --> 03:14:14,226 TO THE PROGRAM OFFICIAL. 4379 03:14:14,226 --> 03:14:17,963 SHARE A CONCEPT PAPER OR A SPECIFIC AIMS PAGE 4380 03:14:18,864 --> 03:14:20,332 AND ASK FOR THAT FEEDBACK, 4381 03:14:20,332 --> 03:14:22,367 IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOUR INSTITUTE 4382 03:14:22,367 --> 03:14:23,802 IS ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN? 4383 03:14:23,802 --> 03:14:24,870 AND ALSO UNDERSTAND 4384 03:14:24,870 --> 03:14:28,373 THAT THERE'S OVERLAP OFTEN BETWEEN INSTITUTES, 4385 03:14:28,373 --> 03:14:31,176 SO WHAT'S OF INTEREST TO ONE INSTITUTE 4386 03:14:31,176 --> 03:14:33,312 MAY ALSO BE OF INTEREST TO ANOTHER, 4387 03:14:33,312 --> 03:14:36,648 AND SO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE BEST FIT IS. 4388 03:14:37,683 --> 03:14:39,351 YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT NIH REPORTER, 4389 03:14:39,351 --> 03:14:41,053 YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT MATCHMAKER. 4390 03:14:41,053 --> 03:14:44,356 LOTS OF REALLY VERY USEFUL INFORMATION 4391 03:14:44,356 --> 03:14:46,992 IN THE NIH REPORT ITSELF. 4392 03:14:46,992 --> 03:14:47,893 AND IN REPORTER, 4393 03:14:47,893 --> 03:14:50,963 YOU CAN LEARN WHAT NIH FUNDS. 4394 03:14:50,963 --> 03:14:53,298 NIH DOES NOT WANNA FUND WORK 4395 03:14:53,298 --> 03:14:57,603 THAT IT'S ALREADY PAYING SIGNIFICANT FUNDING TO DO, 4396 03:14:57,603 --> 03:14:59,938 SO YOU WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE FUNDED 4397 03:14:59,938 --> 03:15:01,540 TO DO YOUR WORK. 4398 03:15:01,540 --> 03:15:05,410 YOU WANNA POTENTIALLY IDENTIFY COLLABORATORS EVEN 4399 03:15:05,410 --> 03:15:07,279 BY LOOKING AT WHO'S BEEN FUNDED 4400 03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:11,083 TO DO SOMETHING EVEN TANGENTIALLY RELATED 4401 03:15:11,083 --> 03:15:12,751 IN NIH REPORTER. 4402 03:15:12,751 --> 03:15:16,221 YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHICH INSTITUTES ARE INTERESTED 4403 03:15:16,221 --> 03:15:17,222 IN WHAT TYPE OF WORK. 4404 03:15:17,222 --> 03:15:20,626 ALL OF THAT CAN BE LEARNED THROUGH REPORTER. 4405 03:15:20,626 --> 03:15:22,895 AND FINALLY, INVESTIGATORS. 4406 03:15:24,129 --> 03:15:26,398 THINK ABOUT BUILDING YOUR DREAM TEAM 4407 03:15:26,398 --> 03:15:31,003 AS YOU THINK ABOUT PULLING TOGETHER YOUR GRANT APPLICATION. 4408 03:15:31,003 --> 03:15:34,306 A BIG PIECE OF WHAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN 4409 03:15:34,306 --> 03:15:37,976 IS KNOWING NOT THAT PEOPLE HAVE A REPUTATION, 4410 03:15:37,976 --> 03:15:40,145 BUT THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT SKILLS 4411 03:15:40,145 --> 03:15:42,781 AND CAPABILITIES AND PREPARATION 4412 03:15:45,851 --> 03:15:48,620 TO FULFILL THE ROLES THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED. 4413 03:15:48,620 --> 03:15:52,224 AND KEEP IN MIND THAT IT TAKES A TEAM 4414 03:15:52,224 --> 03:15:53,759 TO EXECUTE RESEARCH, 4415 03:15:53,759 --> 03:15:56,194 THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES FOR MOST OF US, 4416 03:15:56,194 --> 03:15:58,196 RESEARCH IS TEAM SCIENCE, 4417 03:15:58,196 --> 03:16:00,198 AND THAT YOU WANNA PUT TOGETHER 4418 03:16:00,198 --> 03:16:02,267 A VERY COMPLEMENTARY TEAM 4419 03:16:03,535 --> 03:16:07,439 IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROJECT GOES WELL. 4420 03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:10,108 AND I'M GONNA TURN THE MIC OVER TO DR. LASH 4421 03:16:10,108 --> 03:16:12,344 TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. 4422 03:16:13,745 --> 03:16:18,517 I'LL STEP OFF. (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 4423 03:16:18,517 --> 03:16:20,452 - THANK YOU, ARIA, 4424 03:16:20,452 --> 03:16:23,055 DR. CRUMP, FOR THAT PRESENTATION. 4425 03:16:23,055 --> 03:16:25,457 SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT PREPARING 4426 03:16:25,457 --> 03:16:28,894 TO SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION TO NIH. 4427 03:16:28,894 --> 03:16:33,298 SO I'VE BEEN A PROGRAM OFFICER FOR OVER 16 YEARS NOW, 4428 03:16:33,298 --> 03:16:36,468 AND IT ACTUALLY IS ONE OF MY GREATEST, 4429 03:16:37,669 --> 03:16:39,271 YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT I ENJOY DOING 4430 03:16:39,271 --> 03:16:40,839 BECAUSE IT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY 4431 03:16:40,839 --> 03:16:43,041 TO TALK DIRECTLY WITH THE PIS 4432 03:16:43,041 --> 03:16:46,745 AND LEARN WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE FIELD. 4433 03:16:46,745 --> 03:16:47,579 SO FIRST, 4434 03:16:47,579 --> 03:16:50,549 WE HAVE PUBLISH, PRESENT, AND PROMOTE YOUR IDEAS. 4435 03:16:50,549 --> 03:16:53,585 AND I ALSO GROUP THAT WITH COLLEAGUE, 4436 03:16:53,585 --> 03:16:56,254 YOU KNOW, EXPANDING YOUR COLLEAGUE NETWORK. 4437 03:16:56,254 --> 03:17:00,559 IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BUILD YOUR ACADEMIC IDENTITY. 4438 03:17:00,559 --> 03:17:02,728 YOU SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN COMMITTEES, 4439 03:17:02,728 --> 03:17:04,596 IN DIFFERENT CONFERENCES, 4440 03:17:04,596 --> 03:17:05,931 YOU KNOW, SHARING YOUR INFORMATION. 4441 03:17:05,931 --> 03:17:08,100 YOU DON'T WANNA SHARE ANYTHING THAT'S PROPRIETARY, 4442 03:17:08,100 --> 03:17:09,201 BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, 4443 03:17:09,201 --> 03:17:12,371 SHARE THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE WITH OTHERS 4444 03:17:12,371 --> 03:17:15,540 BECAUSE SOME MAY HAVE SIMILAR IDEAS. 4445 03:17:15,540 --> 03:17:19,678 I ALSO HAVE SEEK PROGRAM OFFICER, PO, ADVICE. 4446 03:17:19,678 --> 03:17:20,512 I DON'T KNOW WHY, 4447 03:17:20,512 --> 03:17:22,347 BUT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED 4448 03:17:22,347 --> 03:17:23,682 BY PROGRAM OFFICERS 4449 03:17:23,682 --> 03:17:26,151 OR DON'T WANNA TALK TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER. 4450 03:17:26,151 --> 03:17:27,719 BUT IN ACTUALITY, 4451 03:17:27,719 --> 03:17:30,989 OUR GOAL IS FOR THE PI TO GET A GRANT. 4452 03:17:30,989 --> 03:17:35,660 WE WANT THEM TO RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THEIR RESEARCH. 4453 03:17:35,660 --> 03:17:37,295 AS A PROGRAM OFFICER, 4454 03:17:37,295 --> 03:17:39,931 WE'RE CHARGED WITH BUILDING A PORTFOLIO, 4455 03:17:39,931 --> 03:17:45,037 SO WE CERTAINLY WANT THE BEST RESEARCH WITHIN OUR PORTFOLIO. 4456 03:17:45,037 --> 03:17:46,872 WITH THE PROGRAM OFFICER, 4457 03:17:46,872 --> 03:17:49,041 WE ALSO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 4458 03:17:49,041 --> 03:17:52,644 WE'RE INVOLVED WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING EVEN OUTSIDE OF NIH. 4459 03:17:52,644 --> 03:17:55,180 SO WE KINDA KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE FIELD. 4460 03:17:55,180 --> 03:17:59,284 SO WHEN THE PI TALKS TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER, 4461 03:17:59,284 --> 03:18:00,852 QUESTIONS CAN GO, YOU KNOW, 4462 03:18:00,852 --> 03:18:03,755 SIMILAR TO, WELL, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BEFORE? 4463 03:18:03,755 --> 03:18:05,724 HAVE YOU SEEN THIS TYPE OF RESEARCH? 4464 03:18:05,724 --> 03:18:06,792 ANYTHING THAT'S PUBLIC, 4465 03:18:06,792 --> 03:18:07,959 WE CERTAINLY CAN SHARE, 4466 03:18:07,959 --> 03:18:09,194 "NO, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT," 4467 03:18:09,194 --> 03:18:11,396 "I'VE SEEN SOMETHING SIMILAR," 4468 03:18:11,396 --> 03:18:13,598 THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA AS YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD 4469 03:18:13,598 --> 03:18:15,500 WITH SUBMITTING YOUR APPLICATION 4470 03:18:15,500 --> 03:18:20,072 IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE BEFORE OR NOT. 4471 03:18:20,072 --> 03:18:24,476 WE ALSO UTILIZE NIH PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES. 4472 03:18:24,476 --> 03:18:26,244 YOU PROBABLY HAVE HEARD SEVERAL 4473 03:18:26,244 --> 03:18:28,146 OF THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES WE HAVE HERE, 4474 03:18:28,146 --> 03:18:31,483 BUT I DO WANNA HAMMER THIS CONCEPT, 4475 03:18:31,483 --> 03:18:33,385 YOU WANT TO BE IN THE KNOW. 4476 03:18:33,385 --> 03:18:35,187 AND IT'S GOOD FOR THE PIS 4477 03:18:35,187 --> 03:18:36,988 AND PROBABLY YOU ALL AS WELL 4478 03:18:36,988 --> 03:18:40,559 JUST TO KINDA KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AT NIH. 4479 03:18:40,559 --> 03:18:43,161 THERE'S SOME WAYS, SOME SIMPLE WAYS. 4480 03:18:43,161 --> 03:18:45,997 THERE IS THE NIH EXTRAMURAL NEXUS, 4481 03:18:47,265 --> 03:18:50,902 WHICH IS, IT GIVES YOU THE UPDATES ABOUT THE NIH GRANTS, 4482 03:18:50,902 --> 03:18:51,870 THE POLICIES, 4483 03:18:51,870 --> 03:18:55,907 AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT IMPACT THE ENTIRE GRANTS COMMUNITY. 4484 03:18:55,907 --> 03:18:58,110 NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE SCIENTIFIC REALM 4485 03:18:58,110 --> 03:19:00,412 BUT ALSO THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT 4486 03:19:00,412 --> 03:19:02,514 AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. 4487 03:19:02,514 --> 03:19:07,018 THAT IS WHERE YOU HEARD DR. LAUER TALK THIS MORNING, 4488 03:19:07,018 --> 03:19:08,920 WHERE "OPEN MIKE" IS, 4489 03:19:08,920 --> 03:19:12,524 THAT'S A REALLY GOOD BLOG WHERE HE SHARES, 4490 03:19:12,524 --> 03:19:14,259 YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING 4491 03:19:14,259 --> 03:19:16,428 WITHIN THE NIH AS A WHOLE. 4492 03:19:17,929 --> 03:19:19,798 THERE'S ALSO, YOU PROBABLY HEARD, 4493 03:19:19,798 --> 03:19:22,467 THE NIH GUIDE TO GRANTS AND CONTRACTS. 4494 03:19:22,467 --> 03:19:24,269 I MEAN, THAT'S KINDA LIKE OUR HOLY GRAIL, 4495 03:19:24,269 --> 03:19:26,571 WHERE THERE IS ALL THE INFORMATION 4496 03:19:26,571 --> 03:19:28,306 ABOUT THE GRANTS AND CONTRACTS. 4497 03:19:28,306 --> 03:19:31,443 THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR NOFOS, YOUR NOSIS, 4498 03:19:31,443 --> 03:19:32,344 YOU CAN FIND THAT. 4499 03:19:32,344 --> 03:19:34,646 ALL OF THE DIFFERENT INSTITUTES HAVE TO PUBLISH 4500 03:19:34,646 --> 03:19:38,383 WITH THE GUIDE WITH THE GRANTS AND CONTRACTS. 4501 03:19:40,252 --> 03:19:42,354 WE ALSO HAVE A PODCAST, 4502 03:19:42,354 --> 03:19:44,689 WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING AND SOMETHING THAT, 4503 03:19:44,689 --> 03:19:46,825 YOU KNOW, THAT YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY LISTEN TO, 4504 03:19:46,825 --> 03:19:48,894 WHERE IT HAS NIH STAFF MEMBERS 4505 03:19:48,894 --> 03:19:52,397 WHO TALK ABOUT THE INS AND OUTS ABOUT NIH FUNDING. 4506 03:19:52,397 --> 03:19:55,734 AND IT IS DESIGNED FOR INVESTIGATORS AND FELLOWS, 4507 03:19:55,734 --> 03:19:57,536 STUDENTS, RESEARCH ADMINISTRATORS 4508 03:19:57,536 --> 03:20:00,972 WHO ARE JUST CURIOUS ABOUT CERTAIN TOPICS AND APPLICATIONS 4509 03:20:00,972 --> 03:20:02,908 AND EVEN AWARD PROCESS. 4510 03:20:04,409 --> 03:20:08,580 I THINK ONE OF OUR KEY TOOLS THAT WE HAVE 4511 03:20:08,580 --> 03:20:11,616 THAT IS REALLY HELPFUL TO INVESTIGATORS 4512 03:20:11,616 --> 03:20:15,487 IS THAT CSR EARLY CAREER REVIEWER PROGRAM. 4513 03:20:15,487 --> 03:20:17,355 THAT PROGRAM IS VERY HELPFUL 4514 03:20:17,355 --> 03:20:20,091 BECAUSE THE PI CAN WORK SIDE BY SIDE 4515 03:20:20,091 --> 03:20:22,360 WITH SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHED RESEARCHERS 4516 03:20:22,360 --> 03:20:24,296 THAT ARE IN THE FIELD 4517 03:20:24,296 --> 03:20:27,432 AND HELP IDENTIFY THOSE PROMISING GRANT APPLICATIONS. 4518 03:20:27,432 --> 03:20:28,500 SO YOU'RE WORKING, YOU KNOW, 4519 03:20:28,500 --> 03:20:30,135 YOU HAVE A KINDA INSIDE VIEW 4520 03:20:30,135 --> 03:20:32,504 OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH NIH. 4521 03:20:32,504 --> 03:20:34,039 AND THEN IT ALSO SHOWS, YOU KNOW, 4522 03:20:34,039 --> 03:20:37,943 KIND OF THE CULTURE OF THE NIH REVIEW PROCESS 4523 03:20:37,943 --> 03:20:42,180 BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN IT AS A CAREER REVIEWER. 4524 03:20:44,883 --> 03:20:46,084 I DON'T HAVE IT UP HERE, 4525 03:20:46,084 --> 03:20:49,888 BUT MY FAVORITE STILL IS THE NIH REPORTER. 4526 03:20:49,888 --> 03:20:51,690 WITH REPORTER, YOU CERTAINLY, 4527 03:20:51,690 --> 03:20:54,392 ANYTIME I GET AN INVESTIGATOR ASKING ME, 4528 03:20:54,392 --> 03:20:57,729 YOU KNOW, SIMPLY ABOUT THEIR AREA OF RESEARCH, 4529 03:20:57,729 --> 03:21:01,933 THE NIH REPORTER IS THE ONE THAT I DIRECTLY SEND THEM TO 4530 03:21:01,933 --> 03:21:05,670 BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU WHAT A GRANT WOULD LOOK LIKE 4531 03:21:05,670 --> 03:21:08,139 SIMILAR TO YOUR AREA OF RESEARCH, 4532 03:21:08,139 --> 03:21:09,841 IT TELLS YOU HOW MUCH WAS FUNDED, 4533 03:21:09,841 --> 03:21:14,479 WHAT INSTITUTES FUNDED THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF RESEARCH. 4534 03:21:14,479 --> 03:21:16,314 I MEAN, IT'S PUBLIC, 4535 03:21:16,314 --> 03:21:19,351 YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INFORMATION 4536 03:21:19,351 --> 03:21:21,753 JUST BY PLUGGING IN A FEW KEYWORDS 4537 03:21:21,753 --> 03:21:23,455 TO SEE WHO'S BEEN FUNDED. 4538 03:21:23,455 --> 03:21:24,990 I'VE EVEN HAD PIS 4539 03:21:24,990 --> 03:21:29,661 WHO ACTUALLY CONTACT ANOTHER FUNDED INVESTIGATOR 4540 03:21:29,661 --> 03:21:31,596 TO LEARN MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 4541 03:21:31,596 --> 03:21:33,131 WHAT WAS YOUR PROCESS, YOU KNOW. 4542 03:21:33,131 --> 03:21:34,733 AND THEY SHARE, YOU KNOW, 4543 03:21:34,733 --> 03:21:36,534 SO YOU WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED 4544 03:21:36,534 --> 03:21:39,004 ON HOW IMPORTANT IT IS 4545 03:21:39,004 --> 03:21:41,172 TO KINDA KNOW YOUR FIELD 4546 03:21:41,172 --> 03:21:45,510 AND WHAT'S BEEN FUNDED IN THAT FIELD AND WHAT'S NOT. 4547 03:21:49,447 --> 03:21:50,282 OKAY. 4548 03:21:55,020 --> 03:21:56,021 THANK YOU. 4549 03:21:56,021 --> 03:21:58,189 TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 4550 03:22:00,091 --> 03:22:01,893 SO THE THING IS, 4551 03:22:01,893 --> 03:22:04,262 SOMETIMES WE GET A GRANT, 4552 03:22:04,262 --> 03:22:06,164 AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T. 4553 03:22:07,265 --> 03:22:09,934 IF YOU DON'T GET THE FIRST TIME, 4554 03:22:11,069 --> 03:22:12,737 YOU KNOW, GET FUNDED THE FIRST TIME 4555 03:22:12,737 --> 03:22:15,106 THAT YOU SUBMIT A APPLICATION, 4556 03:22:15,106 --> 03:22:18,710 THE BIGGEST THING IS TO GO AHEAD AND RESUBMIT. 4557 03:22:18,710 --> 03:22:21,446 YOU KNOW, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT 4558 03:22:21,446 --> 03:22:23,682 BECAUSE THE PI HAS GONE THROUGH 4559 03:22:23,682 --> 03:22:26,084 ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, RIGAMAROLE 4560 03:22:26,084 --> 03:22:29,287 OF GETTING THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION OUT THE DOOR, 4561 03:22:29,287 --> 03:22:34,092 AND YOU RECEIVE A SCORE AND A SUMMARY STATEMENT. 4562 03:22:34,092 --> 03:22:38,129 SO WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO DISCUSS YOUR SUMMARY STATEMENT 4563 03:22:38,129 --> 03:22:41,433 WITH YOUR PROGRAM OFFICER OR DIRECTOR. 4564 03:22:41,433 --> 03:22:42,801 WE AS PROGRAM OFFICERS, 4565 03:22:42,801 --> 03:22:47,072 WE ACTUALLY MOST OF THE TIME MAY BE IN THAT REVIEW, 4566 03:22:47,939 --> 03:22:50,909 SO WE KINDA HEAR WHAT THE DISCUSSION SAID, 4567 03:22:50,909 --> 03:22:51,810 YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, 4568 03:22:51,810 --> 03:22:54,546 YOU SEE IT IN BLACK AND WHITE IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 4569 03:22:54,546 --> 03:22:56,047 BUT WE WERE ACTUALLY THERE. 4570 03:22:56,047 --> 03:22:58,516 YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS 4571 03:22:58,516 --> 03:23:01,986 OR, YOU KNOW, SOME CLARITY THAT MAY BE NEEDED 4572 03:23:01,986 --> 03:23:03,154 KIND OF FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, 4573 03:23:03,154 --> 03:23:05,023 WHAT WE HEARD, 4574 03:23:05,023 --> 03:23:08,426 WE CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH THE PI 4575 03:23:09,427 --> 03:23:12,697 AND THEN KINDA INFORMATION THAT MAY BE HELPFUL 4576 03:23:12,697 --> 03:23:15,800 AND KINDA RECAPPING OF WHAT HAPPENED. 4577 03:23:16,968 --> 03:23:21,406 THE RESUBMISSION IS FOR THOSE UNFUNDED APPLICATIONS, 4578 03:23:21,406 --> 03:23:24,976 AND IT CAN BE MODIFIED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. 4579 03:23:24,976 --> 03:23:26,277 AS A PROGRAM OFFICER, 4580 03:23:26,277 --> 03:23:28,246 THE FIRST THING THAT I ANSWER 4581 03:23:28,246 --> 03:23:31,216 WHEN I GET A CALL FROM A PI WHO SAYS, YOU KNOW, 4582 03:23:31,216 --> 03:23:33,818 "I'VE GOTTEN THIS SCORE, 4583 03:23:33,818 --> 03:23:35,387 DO YOU THINK IT CAN BE FUNDED?" 4584 03:23:35,387 --> 03:23:37,856 OR, "I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE FUNDED, 4585 03:23:37,856 --> 03:23:39,891 BUT I'D LIKE TO RESUBMIT." 4586 03:23:39,891 --> 03:23:42,494 SO THE FIRST THING THAT I ASK IS, 4587 03:23:42,494 --> 03:23:44,796 "DID YOU READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT?" 4588 03:23:44,796 --> 03:23:46,664 SO IF THEY READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 4589 03:23:46,664 --> 03:23:48,933 MY NEXT QUESTION IS, 4590 03:23:48,933 --> 03:23:51,403 "OKAY, SO IF YOU'VE READ THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 4591 03:23:51,403 --> 03:23:53,538 IS THERE ANYTHING IN THAT SUMMARY STATEMENT 4592 03:23:53,538 --> 03:23:55,039 THAT YOU CANNOT CHANGE 4593 03:23:55,039 --> 03:23:57,709 OR YOU CANNOT MAKE A MODIFICATION TO?" 4594 03:23:57,709 --> 03:23:59,377 BECAUSE THEN THAT'S WHEN WE HAVE, 4595 03:23:59,377 --> 03:24:00,712 YOU KNOW, SOME CONCERNS 4596 03:24:00,712 --> 03:24:02,981 BECAUSE YOU HAVE PUT THE INFORMATION IN 4597 03:24:02,981 --> 03:24:06,851 AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A DIRECTION IN WHICH TO GO 4598 03:24:06,851 --> 03:24:10,655 BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT YOU CANNOT MAKE A CHANGE. 4599 03:24:10,655 --> 03:24:12,424 WE WANT YOU IN THE RESUBMISSION, 4600 03:24:12,424 --> 03:24:14,325 OR THE PI IN THE RESUBMISSION 4601 03:24:14,325 --> 03:24:16,961 TO CAPITALIZE ON THOSE STRENGTHS. 4602 03:24:16,961 --> 03:24:19,631 YOU KNOW, THROW OUT THOSE REVISED PARTS 4603 03:24:19,631 --> 03:24:22,300 THAT THE REVIEWERS FELT WERE WEAK, 4604 03:24:22,300 --> 03:24:23,835 AND THEN CHECK AGAIN 4605 03:24:23,835 --> 03:24:26,805 THAT THE SPECIFIC AIMS FROM THE APPLICATION, 4606 03:24:26,805 --> 03:24:29,774 THEY ACTUALLY LINE UP WITH THE HYPOTHESIS. 4607 03:24:29,774 --> 03:24:33,178 ONE THING WE ASK WITH THE PIS WHO ARE RESUBMITTING, 4608 03:24:33,178 --> 03:24:34,946 JUST RESPOND POINT BY POINT. 4609 03:24:34,946 --> 03:24:35,847 A LOT OF TIMES, 4610 03:24:35,847 --> 03:24:38,650 I GET QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WHERE, 4611 03:24:40,218 --> 03:24:42,120 YOU KNOW, "I DON'T UNDERSTAND 4612 03:24:42,120 --> 03:24:44,689 WHAT THEY WERE SAYING HERE WITH THE REVIEWERS," 4613 03:24:44,689 --> 03:24:46,024 YOU KNOW, 4614 03:24:46,024 --> 03:24:48,092 BUT IT'LL BE SOMETHING SO SMALL 4615 03:24:48,092 --> 03:24:50,495 THAT JUST RESPOND POINT BY POINT. 4616 03:24:50,495 --> 03:24:53,898 EVEN IF YOU AGREE OR DO NOT AGREE WITH IT, 4617 03:24:53,898 --> 03:24:55,166 EVEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT, 4618 03:24:55,166 --> 03:24:56,668 STILL STATE THE CASE 4619 03:24:56,668 --> 03:24:57,969 AND WHY YOU DON'T AGREE 4620 03:24:57,969 --> 03:25:00,805 WITH WHATEVER THE REVIEW TEAM PUT. 4621 03:25:02,540 --> 03:25:04,976 IN THE INTRODUCTION, 4622 03:25:04,976 --> 03:25:06,511 WE WANT THE INTRODUCTION TO BE, 4623 03:25:06,511 --> 03:25:08,513 IT HAS A ONE-PAGE LIMIT, 4624 03:25:08,513 --> 03:25:11,716 BUT WE WANT THOSE ISSUES AND CRITICISMS 4625 03:25:11,716 --> 03:25:16,287 TO BE SUMMARIZED IN A SUCCINCT WAY IN THE INTRODUCTION. 4626 03:25:18,356 --> 03:25:21,960 WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THOSE RESUBMISSIONS 4627 03:25:21,960 --> 03:25:23,294 ANY NEW FINDINGS. 4628 03:25:23,294 --> 03:25:25,129 IF YOU'VE SEEN SOMETHING 4629 03:25:25,129 --> 03:25:28,466 SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS REVIEWED, 4630 03:25:28,466 --> 03:25:32,103 YOU AREN'T LIMITED TO REVISING ONLY THOSE ITEMS MENTIONED 4631 03:25:32,103 --> 03:25:33,638 IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT. 4632 03:25:33,638 --> 03:25:35,807 THIS IS THE PI'S CHANCE 4633 03:25:35,807 --> 03:25:38,877 TO REALLY SHARE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY KNOW 4634 03:25:38,877 --> 03:25:41,112 TO GET THIS PROJECT FUNDED. 4635 03:25:42,780 --> 03:25:45,350 I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 4636 03:25:48,219 --> 03:25:51,456 SO IN THE GREAT CASE OF WHAT WE WANNA SEE HAPPEN 4637 03:25:51,456 --> 03:25:56,394 AFTER THE INVESTIGATOR RECEIVES THEIR FIRST NIH AWARD, 4638 03:25:56,394 --> 03:25:59,831 NOW'S THE TIME TO ESTABLISH THAT PROGRAM OF RESEARCH. 4639 03:25:59,831 --> 03:26:02,800 YES, YOU'VE GOTTEN THIS ONE GRANT, 4640 03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:04,802 BUT THAT IS ONE GRANT. 4641 03:26:04,802 --> 03:26:09,107 YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR PROGRAM OF RESEARCH, 4642 03:26:09,107 --> 03:26:10,141 THINKING ABOUT, 4643 03:26:10,141 --> 03:26:12,176 THE PI THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S NEXT. 4644 03:26:12,176 --> 03:26:13,411 AND THIS IS ALSO A GOOD TIME 4645 03:26:13,411 --> 03:26:15,380 TO TALK WITH THE PROGRAM OFFICERS TOO. 4646 03:26:15,380 --> 03:26:17,815 YES, YOU HAVE A NIH GRANT, 4647 03:26:17,815 --> 03:26:19,317 BUT THE PROGRAM OFFICERS, 4648 03:26:19,317 --> 03:26:21,352 WE TALK WITH OUR SISTER AGENCIES, 4649 03:26:21,352 --> 03:26:22,186 FDA, USDA, 4650 03:26:23,755 --> 03:26:25,123 YOU KNOW, OUR SISTER AGENCIES 4651 03:26:25,123 --> 03:26:27,625 ABOUT OTHER FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE. 4652 03:26:27,625 --> 03:26:30,895 EVEN, YOU KNOW, THE GATES FOUNDATION, 4653 03:26:30,895 --> 03:26:33,164 WE'RE REALLY IN THE KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING 4654 03:26:33,164 --> 03:26:35,833 IN THAT BODY OF FIELD. 4655 03:26:35,833 --> 03:26:37,802 YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISSEMINATE, 4656 03:26:37,802 --> 03:26:40,438 OR THE PIS TO DISSEMINATE THE RESULTS. 4657 03:26:40,438 --> 03:26:41,839 SHARE THE INFORMATION. 4658 03:26:41,839 --> 03:26:43,875 YOU'VE NOW GOTTEN THIS GRANT, 4659 03:26:43,875 --> 03:26:45,209 SHARE IT WIDELY. 4660 03:26:46,244 --> 03:26:49,581 WE DO HAVE THE NIH PUBLIC ACCESS POLICY, 4661 03:26:50,415 --> 03:26:52,016 IT'S ACTUALLY MANDATED, 4662 03:26:52,016 --> 03:26:53,785 WHERE WE MAKE A PEER, 4663 03:26:55,153 --> 03:27:00,124 EXCUSE ME, WE ASK THAT ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S PUBLIC 4664 03:27:00,124 --> 03:27:04,529 TO BE PUBLISHED IN A PEER-REVIEWED ARTICLE. 4665 03:27:04,529 --> 03:27:08,199 AND THAT IS MADE PUBLICLY IN PUBMED CENTRAL. 4666 03:27:09,133 --> 03:27:13,237 WE ALSO SUGGEST MAINTAINING THOSE COLLABORATIONS 4667 03:27:13,237 --> 03:27:15,540 AND BUILDING NEW ONES. 4668 03:27:15,540 --> 03:27:17,642 ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS, 4669 03:27:17,642 --> 03:27:19,777 I'M IN THE BIOENGINEERING FIELD, 4670 03:27:19,777 --> 03:27:21,613 AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT, 4671 03:27:22,547 --> 03:27:25,016 ONE OF MY MANTRAS ARE 4672 03:27:25,016 --> 03:27:28,519 THAT A CLINICAL NEED NEEDS TO DRIVE THE TECHNOLOGY. 4673 03:27:28,519 --> 03:27:30,054 YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE UP SOMETHING, 4674 03:27:30,054 --> 03:27:31,522 AND PEOPLE WILL COME. 4675 03:27:31,522 --> 03:27:32,724 YOU HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 4676 03:27:32,724 --> 03:27:36,027 SOME TYPE OF CLINICAL NEED THAT WOULD DRIVE THAT TECHNOLOGY. 4677 03:27:36,027 --> 03:27:38,997 SO IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CLINICIANS, 4678 03:27:38,997 --> 03:27:41,599 FOR THOSE IN ENGINEERING TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. 4679 03:27:41,599 --> 03:27:43,635 THAT CAN ALSO FORMULATE NEW IDEAS 4680 03:27:43,635 --> 03:27:46,871 AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROGRAM OF RESEARCH. 4681 03:27:46,871 --> 03:27:50,975 AND THAT'S ALSO PART OF GROWING AND DEVELOPING THE SCIENCE. 4682 03:27:50,975 --> 03:27:55,146 ONE REALLY IMPORTANT AREA IS LEADING AND MENTORING. 4683 03:27:55,146 --> 03:27:56,314 THAT PI, YOU KNOW, 4684 03:27:56,314 --> 03:27:59,250 HAS RECEIVED THE AWARD AT THIS POINT. 4685 03:27:59,250 --> 03:28:00,585 AND WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO 4686 03:28:00,585 --> 03:28:03,254 IS TO SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH OTHERS. 4687 03:28:03,254 --> 03:28:04,422 I MENTIONED THE REPORTER, 4688 03:28:04,422 --> 03:28:06,388 WHERE YOU CAN FIND OUT INFORMATION 4689 03:28:06,388 --> 03:28:07,892 FROM OTHER INVESTIGATORS. 4690 03:28:07,892 --> 03:28:10,328 SO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, 4691 03:28:10,328 --> 03:28:11,562 THAT PERSON WOULD BE SERVING 4692 03:28:11,562 --> 03:28:13,464 IN THAT CAPACITY OF SHARING THE INFORMATION 4693 03:28:13,464 --> 03:28:15,199 THAT THEY HAVE AS WELL. 4694 03:28:15,199 --> 03:28:18,536 SO WE ASK FOR LEADERSHIP AND MENTORSHIP. 4695 03:28:19,370 --> 03:28:21,606 SO DR. CRUMP AND I, 4696 03:28:21,606 --> 03:28:24,442 WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS 4697 03:28:24,442 --> 03:28:27,278 YOU MAY HAVE FROM OUR GUESTS HERE. 4698 03:28:28,579 --> 03:28:32,950 ANYTHING THAT PROGRAM STAFF CAN CERTAINLY ANSWER 4699 03:28:32,950 --> 03:28:34,686 FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. 4700 03:28:34,686 --> 03:28:36,387 - [DORIT] SO YOU HAVE SOME REAL-LIFE PROGRAM OFFICERS 4701 03:28:36,387 --> 03:28:37,221 IN THE ROOM, 4702 03:28:37,221 --> 03:28:38,890 AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN SAYING ALL DAY, 4703 03:28:38,890 --> 03:28:39,924 TALK TO THEM, 4704 03:28:39,924 --> 03:28:42,060 SO HERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY. 4705 03:28:48,800 --> 03:28:49,801 - HI, SO MELISSA HARRINGTON, 4706 03:28:49,801 --> 03:28:51,469 DELAWARE STATE UNIVERSITY. 4707 03:28:51,469 --> 03:28:54,972 CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CO-FUNDING? 4708 03:28:56,441 --> 03:28:57,875 PARTLY FOR THE IDEA PROGRAM, 4709 03:28:57,875 --> 03:29:00,745 BUT WE HAD A CASE WHERE AN INVESTIGATOR, 4710 03:29:00,745 --> 03:29:04,415 HER GRANTS BEING REVIEWED WITH MULTIPLE INSTITUTES, 4711 03:29:04,415 --> 03:29:05,516 AND THEN WE'VE BEEN TOLD 4712 03:29:05,516 --> 03:29:07,218 THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY OF CO-FUNDING, 4713 03:29:07,218 --> 03:29:11,122 BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DETAILS FOR HOW IT WORKS. 4714 03:29:14,692 --> 03:29:16,794 - SURE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 4715 03:29:16,794 --> 03:29:18,796 SO WHENEVER YOU SUBMIT A GRANT, 4716 03:29:18,796 --> 03:29:21,733 THERE'S ALWAYS A PRIMARY ASSIGNMENT, 4717 03:29:21,733 --> 03:29:24,235 BUT THERE CAN BE SECONDARY ASSIGNMENTS 4718 03:29:24,235 --> 03:29:28,139 TO OTHER INSTITUTES IF THERE'S COMMON INTEREST. 4719 03:29:28,139 --> 03:29:29,974 SO, AND IN SOME CASES, 4720 03:29:30,875 --> 03:29:33,044 IN SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL CASES, 4721 03:29:34,112 --> 03:29:37,281 THERE ARE MULTIPLE INSTITUTES ASSIGNED 4722 03:29:38,883 --> 03:29:40,885 ACROSS A PARTICULAR FOA, 4723 03:29:42,854 --> 03:29:45,156 BECAUSE THE DECISION 4724 03:29:45,156 --> 03:29:47,925 ABOUT WHO THE LEAD INSTITUTE IS GONNA BE 4725 03:29:47,925 --> 03:29:50,995 FOR EACH APPLICATION HAS NOT YET BEEN MADE. 4726 03:29:50,995 --> 03:29:53,397 BUT IN TERMS OF CO-FUNDING, 4727 03:29:53,397 --> 03:29:57,168 MOST GRANTS ARE FUNDED BY A SINGLE INSTITUTE. 4728 03:29:58,269 --> 03:30:02,073 BUT THERE ARE CASES WHERE THERE MAY BE COLLABORATION 4729 03:30:02,073 --> 03:30:04,008 AMONG THE PROGRAM STAFF 4730 03:30:04,976 --> 03:30:07,145 AND THERE'S A COMMON INTEREST, 4731 03:30:07,145 --> 03:30:09,080 AND THEY MAKE ARRANGEMENTS 4732 03:30:09,080 --> 03:30:13,017 SO THAT A SECOND INSTITUTE TRANSFERS MONEY 4733 03:30:13,017 --> 03:30:15,520 TO THE ADMINISTERING INSTITUTE 4734 03:30:16,654 --> 03:30:20,057 SO THAT MULTIPLE INSTITUTES ARE FUNDING THAT APPLICATION. 4735 03:30:20,057 --> 03:30:24,128 MOST OF THAT SHOULD BE SOMEWHAT INVISIBLE TO YOU, 4736 03:30:25,196 --> 03:30:27,565 EXCEPT IN UNUSUAL CASES. 4737 03:30:27,565 --> 03:30:30,168 IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, 4738 03:30:31,102 --> 03:30:33,204 I WOULD ABSOLUTELY REACH OUT 4739 03:30:33,204 --> 03:30:35,873 TO THE MAIN PROGRAM OFFICIAL 4740 03:30:35,873 --> 03:30:38,042 WHO'S GONNA BE IN ERA COMMONS 4741 03:30:38,042 --> 03:30:41,946 FOR THE ADMINISTERING INSTITUTE AND ASK ABOUT IT. 4742 03:30:41,946 --> 03:30:43,080 - [DORIT] CAN I JUST ADD TO THAT A SEC? 4743 03:30:43,080 --> 03:30:44,382 - SURE. - BECAUSE THERE'S 4744 03:30:44,382 --> 03:30:45,650 ONE SPECIAL CASE OF THIS, 4745 03:30:45,650 --> 03:30:47,985 WHICH IS THE IDEA CO-FUNDING PROGRAM, 4746 03:30:47,985 --> 03:30:52,356 WHICH, THOSE OF YOU HAVE WHO COME FROM IDEA STATES, 4747 03:30:52,356 --> 03:30:56,828 ONE OF THE IDEA PROGRAMS IS CO-FUNDING RESEARCH GRANTS 4748 03:30:58,162 --> 03:31:01,199 THAT CAME IN THROUGH THE R01 MECHANISM, 4749 03:31:01,199 --> 03:31:03,234 THE R15 MECHANISM, 4750 03:31:03,234 --> 03:31:05,069 AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE 4751 03:31:05,069 --> 03:31:07,839 ON THE IDEA WEBSITE HOW IT WORKS. 4752 03:31:10,908 --> 03:31:14,545 - I WAS ALSO GONNA SAY THAT'S A TIME 4753 03:31:14,545 --> 03:31:16,414 WHEN YOU SPEAK TO YOUR PROGRAM OFFICERS 4754 03:31:16,414 --> 03:31:18,716 BEFORE YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, 4755 03:31:18,716 --> 03:31:20,518 BECAUSE AS A PROGRAM OFFICER, 4756 03:31:20,518 --> 03:31:22,320 WE CAN RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, 4757 03:31:22,320 --> 03:31:24,822 YOU MAY NEED TO, FOR INSTANCE, 4758 03:31:25,690 --> 03:31:27,525 FOR NIBIB, WHERE I AM, 4759 03:31:28,559 --> 03:31:30,995 WE ARE ENGINEERING INSTITUTE, 4760 03:31:30,995 --> 03:31:32,763 SO WE'RE DISEASE-AGNOSTIC. 4761 03:31:32,763 --> 03:31:34,799 BUT THERE MAY BE A APPLICATION 4762 03:31:34,799 --> 03:31:37,268 THAT YOUR PI WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT 4763 03:31:37,268 --> 03:31:39,270 THAT ANOTHER INSTITUTE WOULD BE ABLE 4764 03:31:39,270 --> 03:31:42,073 TO HAVE INTEREST IN AS WELL. 4765 03:31:42,073 --> 03:31:43,674 SO HAVING A PRIMARY 4766 03:31:43,674 --> 03:31:46,510 AND A SECONDARY INSTITUTE IS ALWAYS, 4767 03:31:46,510 --> 03:31:48,279 IN MY OPINION, ALWAYS RECOMMENDED 4768 03:31:48,279 --> 03:31:49,847 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, 4769 03:31:49,847 --> 03:31:54,185 WHO WOULD HAVE THAT INTEREST AND BE ABLE TO SUPPORT. 4770 03:31:58,756 --> 03:31:59,657 - [DORIT] JUST USE IT. 4771 03:31:59,657 --> 03:32:00,658 - [QUINCY] OKAY. 4772 03:32:00,658 --> 03:32:01,959 SO A REALLY- - YEAH, SORRY. 4773 03:32:01,959 --> 03:32:04,428 - YEAH, OKAY, SO A REALLY QUICK QUESTION. 4774 03:32:04,428 --> 03:32:07,331 JUST REACHING OUT TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER'S BECOME 4775 03:32:07,331 --> 03:32:08,165 SORT OF A THEME HERE, 4776 03:32:08,165 --> 03:32:10,134 AND I AGREE WITH THAT. 4777 03:32:10,134 --> 03:32:11,903 I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS 4778 03:32:11,903 --> 03:32:13,871 THAT I WOULD MAYBE WANT YOU TO ADDRESS, 4779 03:32:13,871 --> 03:32:15,840 AND YOU CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL PROGRAM OFFICERS, 4780 03:32:15,840 --> 03:32:17,942 I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, 4781 03:32:17,942 --> 03:32:19,076 BUT WHAT HAPPENS A LOT OF TIMES 4782 03:32:19,076 --> 03:32:21,646 IS THE INVESTIGATORS WILL REACH OUT TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER, 4783 03:32:21,646 --> 03:32:25,149 THE PROGRAM OFFICERS JUST RECITE THE SUMMARY STATEMENT 4784 03:32:25,149 --> 03:32:26,651 THAT THEY'VE GOTTEN FROM THE VIEWERS. 4785 03:32:26,651 --> 03:32:29,754 I MEAN, AND THERE'S JUST THAT MUCH GAINED 4786 03:32:29,754 --> 03:32:32,290 FROM AN INVESTIGATOR'S STANDPOINT FROM THAT. 4787 03:32:32,290 --> 03:32:33,624 SO I'M NOT SURE, 4788 03:32:35,293 --> 03:32:36,594 YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, 4789 03:32:36,594 --> 03:32:39,897 AND I THINK THE PROFESSOR FROM GEORGETOWN 4790 03:32:39,897 --> 03:32:40,831 WAS SAYING THE SAME THING, 4791 03:32:40,831 --> 03:32:44,435 THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP FROM PEOPLE BEING DISCOURAGED. 4792 03:32:44,435 --> 03:32:45,503 SO YOU HAVE A SUMMARY STATEMENT HERE 4793 03:32:45,503 --> 03:32:46,704 YOU'RE TRYING TO RESPOND TO, 4794 03:32:46,704 --> 03:32:49,674 YOU'RE DISCOURAGED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE YOUR PROPOSAL. 4795 03:32:49,674 --> 03:32:51,075 THEN YOU REACH OUT TO THE PROGRAM OFFICER, 4796 03:32:51,075 --> 03:32:53,945 THEY'RE RECITING WHAT'S IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT. 4797 03:32:53,945 --> 03:32:56,981 THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO TRY TO OVERCOME, 4798 03:32:56,981 --> 03:32:58,616 YOU KNOW, PSYCHOLOGICALLY. 4799 03:32:58,616 --> 03:33:01,052 SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? 4800 03:33:01,052 --> 03:33:02,353 AND AGAIN, PLEASE, 4801 03:33:02,353 --> 03:33:04,455 I KNOW YOU CANNOT SPEAK FOR ALL PROGRAM OFFICERS. 4802 03:33:04,455 --> 03:33:05,856 - YEAH, NO, NO, I THINK IT'S A FAIR, 4803 03:33:05,856 --> 03:33:07,925 I THINK IT'S A VERY FAIR QUESTION. 4804 03:33:07,925 --> 03:33:11,429 THERE WAS A OPEN MIC PUBLISHED A COUPLE YEARS BACK 4805 03:33:11,429 --> 03:33:14,999 WHICH TALKED ABOUT WHAT A PO CAN DO FOR YOU. 4806 03:33:14,999 --> 03:33:18,970 AND THE TRUTH IS THAT PROGRAM FOLKS ARE LIMITED 4807 03:33:18,970 --> 03:33:22,340 IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR ROLE IS. 4808 03:33:22,340 --> 03:33:25,242 SOME PROGRAM OFFICIALS MAY TAKE THIS VERY, 4809 03:33:25,242 --> 03:33:28,145 VERY, VERY STRICTLY TO MEAN THAT, 4810 03:33:28,145 --> 03:33:30,081 OH, LET ME JUST TELL YOU 4811 03:33:30,081 --> 03:33:32,783 WHAT THIS SUMMARY STATEMENT SAID. 4812 03:33:32,783 --> 03:33:34,418 MOST PROGRAM OFFICIALS 4813 03:33:34,418 --> 03:33:38,155 THAT I AM AWARE OF WILL DO MORE THAN THAT. 4814 03:33:38,155 --> 03:33:42,827 AND SO WHAT I THINK AS AN APPLICANT YOU SHOULD BE ASKING 4815 03:33:42,827 --> 03:33:43,160 IS, 4816 03:33:45,363 --> 03:33:49,400 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK, "WERE YOU PRESENT?" 4817 03:33:49,400 --> 03:33:51,068 IF YOU WERE PRESENT. 4818 03:33:51,902 --> 03:33:52,903 DO YOU HAVE, 4819 03:33:54,672 --> 03:33:58,209 IF YOU AS AN APPLICANT HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS 4820 03:33:58,209 --> 03:34:00,144 ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S THERE, 4821 03:34:00,144 --> 03:34:02,880 YOU CAN KIND OF CHECK YOUR UNDERSTANDING 4822 03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:05,916 OF SOMETHING IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 4823 03:34:05,916 --> 03:34:08,853 IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE. 4824 03:34:08,853 --> 03:34:09,854 YOU CAN SAY, 4825 03:34:10,688 --> 03:34:14,091 YOU KNOW, "CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE PROCESS WORKS 4826 03:34:14,091 --> 03:34:15,826 FOR YOUR INSTITUTE?" 4827 03:34:15,826 --> 03:34:18,195 YOU KNOW, "I HAVE A PRIORITY SCORE HERE, 4828 03:34:18,195 --> 03:34:20,598 WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN YOUR INSTITUTE?" 4829 03:34:20,598 --> 03:34:24,301 I MEAN, YOU CAN ASK DIRECTED QUESTIONS, 4830 03:34:24,301 --> 03:34:27,438 AND IF A PO IS NOT ABLE TO ANSWER, 4831 03:34:27,438 --> 03:34:28,906 THEY CAN TELL YOU THAT. 4832 03:34:28,906 --> 03:34:30,908 SO YOU SHOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE 4833 03:34:30,908 --> 03:34:34,678 TO ASK WHATEVER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 4834 03:34:34,678 --> 03:34:38,182 AND I WOULD COME TO THAT MEETING PREPARED, 4835 03:34:38,182 --> 03:34:40,818 YOU KNOW, WITH QUESTIONS LIKE, 4836 03:34:40,818 --> 03:34:44,188 YOU KNOW, DID YOU GET THE SENSE 4837 03:34:44,188 --> 03:34:46,457 THAT THERE ARE FATAL FLAWS, 4838 03:34:49,126 --> 03:34:50,694 FOR EXAMPLE. 4839 03:34:50,694 --> 03:34:52,596 YOU KNOW, "WAS THAT THE SENSE, 4840 03:34:52,596 --> 03:34:54,765 THAT THIS IS A SITUATION 4841 03:34:54,765 --> 03:34:57,068 WHERE IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA TO RESUBMIT 4842 03:34:57,068 --> 03:35:00,704 BUT INSTEAD TO MAKE A MAJOR REVISION?" 4843 03:35:00,704 --> 03:35:03,874 I MEAN, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK. 4844 03:35:04,842 --> 03:35:07,445 SO I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. 4845 03:35:07,445 --> 03:35:10,247 - AND IN PRACTICAL TERMS, YOU KNOW, 4846 03:35:10,247 --> 03:35:12,349 I RECEIVE QUESTIONS LIKE, 4847 03:35:13,751 --> 03:35:18,222 IS THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT 4848 03:35:18,222 --> 03:35:20,991 THAT WAS IN THE SUMMARY STATEMENT, 4849 03:35:20,991 --> 03:35:22,893 IS THIS, YOU KNOW, 4850 03:35:22,893 --> 03:35:26,931 WHAT SHIFTED, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL SCORE? 4851 03:35:26,931 --> 03:35:28,532 WE CAN SHARE THINGS LIKE, 4852 03:35:28,532 --> 03:35:31,035 "THAT DID NOT APPEAR TO BE THE DEAL BREAKER." 4853 03:35:31,035 --> 03:35:32,770 SO YOU CAN IMAGINE, 4854 03:35:32,770 --> 03:35:34,738 IN THE PI'S, IN THEIR HEAD, 4855 03:35:34,738 --> 03:35:35,639 THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, 4856 03:35:35,639 --> 03:35:39,009 I HAVE TO CHANGE ALL OF THIS BECAUSE OF THIS ONE STATEMENT. 4857 03:35:39,009 --> 03:35:41,245 AS A PROGRAM OFFICER, WE CAN SAY, 4858 03:35:41,245 --> 03:35:42,079 "THAT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, 4859 03:35:42,079 --> 03:35:44,181 THAT WAS NOT MY INTERPRETATION, 4860 03:35:44,181 --> 03:35:46,817 IT DID NOT SEEM THAT THAT WAS THE DEAL BREAKER 4861 03:35:46,817 --> 03:35:49,787 IN MOVING THAT SCORE THAT HARD," SO. 4862 03:35:51,021 --> 03:35:54,458 - YEAH, AND I WILL JUST ADD THAT WE CAN'T BE IN THERE, 4863 03:35:54,458 --> 03:35:56,160 IN THE HEADS OF THE FOLKS 4864 03:35:56,160 --> 03:35:57,795 MAKING THE DECISIONS. - RIGHT, MM-HMM. 4865 03:35:57,795 --> 03:35:59,463 - SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, 4866 03:35:59,463 --> 03:36:02,833 WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, 4867 03:36:02,833 --> 03:36:04,869 BUT I KNOW I'M ALWAYS VERY GUARDED 4868 03:36:04,869 --> 03:36:09,874 AND BEING VERY CLEAR THAT THE FINAL DECISION IS YOURS. 4869 03:36:09,874 --> 03:36:11,108 I STRONGLY RECOMMEND 4870 03:36:11,108 --> 03:36:14,545 THAT YOU DON'T TAKE THE PROGRAM OFFICIAL AS SOMEONE 4871 03:36:14,545 --> 03:36:17,381 WHERE YOU'RE JUST FOLLOWING EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU TO DO. 4872 03:36:17,381 --> 03:36:20,918 YOU KNOW, REALLY WE'RE HERE TO ADVISE, 4873 03:36:20,918 --> 03:36:22,920 YOU KNOW, NOT TO DIRECT. 4874 03:36:23,854 --> 03:36:26,590 SO, AGAIN, I HOPE THAT'S HELPFUL. 4875 03:36:27,758 --> 03:36:32,029 - CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STUDY SECTIONS THAT CSR HAS, 4876 03:36:32,930 --> 03:36:36,167 THE STANDING STUDY SECTIONS, THE AD HOC, 4877 03:36:36,167 --> 03:36:38,169 AND IF AS APPLICANTS, 4878 03:36:38,169 --> 03:36:40,905 HOW MUCH CAN WE SUGGEST, REQUEST, 4879 03:36:41,772 --> 03:36:44,942 AND WHAT ROLE STUDY SECTIONS MAY PLAY? 4880 03:36:46,243 --> 03:36:47,478 - YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, (TIFFANI CHUCKLES) 4881 03:36:47,478 --> 03:36:49,780 CSR IS COMING UP TO SPEAK. 4882 03:36:49,780 --> 03:36:52,082 WE COULD JUST VERY BRIEFLY SAY 4883 03:36:52,082 --> 03:36:54,952 THAT YOU GO TO THE CSR WEBSITE, 4884 03:36:54,952 --> 03:36:56,654 YOU CAN SEE A LIST. 4885 03:36:56,654 --> 03:37:01,192 AND THERE'S A FORM THAT IS A PART OF THE APPLICATION FORM 4886 03:37:01,192 --> 03:37:05,129 WHERE YOU CAN REQUEST A SPECIFIC STUDY SECTION. 4887 03:37:05,129 --> 03:37:08,966 AND I'LL ALSO MENTION THAT I THINK IT'S ALSO FAIR GAME, 4888 03:37:08,966 --> 03:37:10,868 YOU MAY OR MAY NOT GET AN ANSWER, 4889 03:37:10,868 --> 03:37:13,370 BUT IT'S FAIR GAME TO ASK A PO, 4890 03:37:13,370 --> 03:37:14,972 "IS THERE A PARTICULAR STUDY SECTION 4891 03:37:14,972 --> 03:37:17,141 THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, 4892 03:37:17,141 --> 03:37:19,577 GIVEN THIS PARTICULAR CONCEPT 4893 03:37:19,577 --> 03:37:21,478 FOR THE APPLICATION I'M PREPARING?" 4894 03:37:21,478 --> 03:37:25,149 THINK THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO. 4895 03:37:25,149 --> 03:37:28,519 - AND FROM THE PROGRAM OFFICER'S PERSPECTIVE, 4896 03:37:28,519 --> 03:37:31,522 YOU KNOW, I CAN SHARE, WITHIN THIS PORTFOLIO, 4897 03:37:31,522 --> 03:37:33,390 A LOT OF MY APPLICATIONS GO 4898 03:37:33,390 --> 03:37:35,659 TO THIS PARTICULAR STUDY SECTION. 4899 03:37:35,659 --> 03:37:37,161 I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, 4900 03:37:37,161 --> 03:37:40,631 BUT I'M JUST SHARING THAT WITHIN THIS PORTFOLIO, 4901 03:37:40,631 --> 03:37:42,099 THESE APPLICATIONS, 4902 03:37:42,099 --> 03:37:46,437 MAJORITY OF THEM GO TO THIS PARTICULAR STUDY SECTION. 4903 03:37:46,437 --> 03:37:48,606 - AND ONE THING I WANNA ADD ALSO IS, 4904 03:37:48,606 --> 03:37:49,607 AS A PO, 4905 03:37:49,607 --> 03:37:52,276 ONE THING THAT I OFTEN WOULD DO 4906 03:37:52,276 --> 03:37:55,846 IS IF I CAN TELL YOUR APPLICATION IS HIGHLY LIKELY 4907 03:37:55,846 --> 03:37:58,749 TO GO TO A PARTICULAR STUDY SECTION, 4908 03:37:58,749 --> 03:38:00,784 I WOULD RECOMMEND, 4909 03:38:00,784 --> 03:38:02,419 GO LOOK AT THE ROSTER, 4910 03:38:02,419 --> 03:38:04,722 UNDERSTAND WHO YOUR AUDIENCE IS. 4911 03:38:04,722 --> 03:38:06,390 YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES END UP 4912 03:38:06,390 --> 03:38:09,159 IN THIS PARTICULAR STUDY SECTION, 4913 03:38:10,261 --> 03:38:12,863 THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU'RE SPEAKING TO. 4914 03:38:12,863 --> 03:38:17,935 THEY'RE NOT ALL EXPERTS IN YOUR EXACT FIELD NECESSARILY, 4915 03:38:17,935 --> 03:38:20,170 AND SO THAT HELPS YOU THINK ABOUT, 4916 03:38:20,170 --> 03:38:23,073 YOU KNOW, WHAT LEVEL OF DETAIL 4917 03:38:23,073 --> 03:38:25,042 AND WHAT LEVEL OF CLARITY 4918 03:38:25,042 --> 03:38:27,378 THAT YOU NEED TO WRITE WITH. 4919 03:38:31,248 --> 03:38:34,818 - [DORIT] ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? MELISSA? 4920 03:38:34,818 --> 03:38:37,655 - SO, I WANNA MAKE AN OBSERVATION, 4921 03:38:39,223 --> 03:38:42,960 AND YOU GUYS WILL PROBABLY REINFORCE THAT. 4922 03:38:42,960 --> 03:38:45,462 WHEN I'M TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NEW TO NIH 4923 03:38:45,462 --> 03:38:49,566 AND EXPLAINING THE PROCESS TO NEW INVESTIGATORS, 4924 03:38:49,566 --> 03:38:52,970 ONE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE INCREDULOUS ABOUT 4925 03:38:52,970 --> 03:38:54,938 AND JUST HAVE A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IS, 4926 03:38:54,938 --> 03:38:56,340 AND I TELL THEM, 4927 03:38:56,340 --> 03:38:57,908 WHEN YOU WRITE YOUR PROPOSAL, 4928 03:38:57,908 --> 03:39:00,911 THERE'S AN AUDIENCE OF THREE. 4929 03:39:00,911 --> 03:39:03,547 THE THREE PEOPLE WHO ARE REVIEWING IT. 4930 03:39:03,547 --> 03:39:05,883 BUT THERE COULD BE 30 PEOPLE IN THE ROOM 4931 03:39:05,883 --> 03:39:08,185 WHO ARE GOING TO GIVE IT A SCORE. 4932 03:39:08,185 --> 03:39:11,455 AND SO THE PEOPLE WHO READ YOUR GRANT, 4933 03:39:11,455 --> 03:39:16,393 THEIR SCORES HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON YOUR OVERALL SCORE. 4934 03:39:18,495 --> 03:39:22,733 WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL IS WHAT'S GONNA HAVE, 4935 03:39:22,733 --> 03:39:23,801 NUMERICALLY, RIGHT, 4936 03:39:23,801 --> 03:39:24,935 I CAN SEE YOU SAY, NUMERICALLY, 4937 03:39:24,935 --> 03:39:26,904 WHEN YOU AVERAGE IT ALL TOGETHER, RIGHT? 4938 03:39:26,904 --> 03:39:29,907 THERE ONLY COULD BE 3 OUTTA 30, RIGHT, 4939 03:39:29,907 --> 03:39:30,908 THAT ARE GIVING SCORES. 4940 03:39:30,908 --> 03:39:33,143 IT'S WHAT YOU SAY, 4941 03:39:33,143 --> 03:39:36,113 WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT YOUR PROPOSAL 4942 03:39:36,113 --> 03:39:39,883 IS WHAT'S GONNA DETERMINE THE SCORES FOR EVERYONE ELSE. 4943 03:39:39,883 --> 03:39:43,387 SO I THINK THAT GETS A LITTLE GLOSSED OVER 4944 03:39:45,923 --> 03:39:49,293 WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT HOW WE DO WORKS AT NIH. 4945 03:39:49,293 --> 03:39:51,428 - CAN I JUST SAY THAT I DON'T THINK, 4946 03:39:51,428 --> 03:39:55,399 I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S EXACTLY THE WAY IT WORKS, 4947 03:39:55,399 --> 03:39:57,301 MEANING, IN MOST CASES, 4948 03:39:59,103 --> 03:40:01,238 AND I'VE LISTENED TO A WHOLE LOT OF STUDY SECTIONS, 4949 03:40:01,238 --> 03:40:02,439 A WHOLE LOT. 4950 03:40:02,439 --> 03:40:04,074 IN MOST CASES, 4951 03:40:04,074 --> 03:40:07,044 ONCE THOSE THREE PEOPLE FINISH TALKING, 4952 03:40:07,044 --> 03:40:10,314 THEY GIVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR FINAL SCORES, 4953 03:40:10,314 --> 03:40:12,216 AND THAT SETS A RANGE. 4954 03:40:12,216 --> 03:40:13,183 AND THOSE OTHER PEOPLE 4955 03:40:13,183 --> 03:40:15,352 WHO ARE NOT THE MAIN PEOPLE 4956 03:40:15,352 --> 03:40:18,322 ALMOST ALWAYS ARE VOTING WITHIN THAT RANGE. 4957 03:40:18,322 --> 03:40:20,924 AND SO THERE ARE CASES WHERE FOLKS WILL SAY, 4958 03:40:20,924 --> 03:40:22,292 "NO, I'M OUTSIDE THE RANGE," 4959 03:40:22,292 --> 03:40:23,594 "NO, I'M OUTSIDE THE RANGE," 4960 03:40:23,594 --> 03:40:24,561 "NO, I'M OUT." 4961 03:40:24,561 --> 03:40:26,430 THERE ARE CASES LIKE THAT, 4962 03:40:26,430 --> 03:40:29,166 BUT THAT'S NOT TYPICAL. 4963 03:40:29,166 --> 03:40:31,001 THAT'S NOT TYPICAL, SO- 4964 03:40:31,001 --> 03:40:33,370 - [MELISSA] WELL, BUT IF THE RANGE IS TWO TO SIX 4965 03:40:33,370 --> 03:40:34,204 OR TWO TO FIVE. 4966 03:40:34,204 --> 03:40:35,205 - BUT I'LL TELL YOU, (MELISSA CHUCKLES) 4967 03:40:35,205 --> 03:40:38,609 I'VE LISTENED TO A LOT OF STUDY SECTIONS, 4968 03:40:38,609 --> 03:40:40,344 AND THE TWO TO SIX ONES, 4969 03:40:40,344 --> 03:40:42,279 THOSE ARE SOME EXCITING DISCUSSIONS, 4970 03:40:42,279 --> 03:40:45,649 BUT THAT'S NOT THE NORM, IN MY EXPERIENCE. 4971 03:40:45,649 --> 03:40:46,750 IN MY EXPERIENCE, 4972 03:40:46,750 --> 03:40:48,752 I'M OFTEN AMAZED AT HOW, 4973 03:40:49,753 --> 03:40:53,957 YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IT'S MORE LIKE TWO TO FOUR, 4974 03:40:53,957 --> 03:40:55,159 THREE TO SIX. 4975 03:40:55,159 --> 03:40:56,560 IT'S MORE LIKE, YOU KNOW, 4976 03:40:56,560 --> 03:40:59,830 MAYBE THERE'S A TWO TO SEVEN EVERY ONCE IN A BLUE MOON. 4977 03:40:59,830 --> 03:41:02,633 REVIEWERS TEND TO AGREE. 4978 03:41:02,633 --> 03:41:04,468 I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY, 4979 03:41:05,736 --> 03:41:07,471 WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME? 4980 03:41:07,471 --> 03:41:09,473 - MOST OF THE TIME. 4981 03:41:09,473 --> 03:41:12,776 BUT THERE IS A CULTURE OF DIFFERENT STUDY SECTIONS. 4982 03:41:12,776 --> 03:41:15,045 - THAT'S TRUE, SO THAT IS VERY TRUE 4983 03:41:15,045 --> 03:41:17,781 THAT DIFFERENT STUDY SECTIONS OPERATE DIFFERENTLY. 4984 03:41:17,781 --> 03:41:18,882 IN MY EXPERIENCE, 4985 03:41:18,882 --> 03:41:21,552 AND I'VE LISTENED TO A LOT OF THEM, 4986 03:41:21,552 --> 03:41:22,820 MOST OF THE TIME, 4987 03:41:22,820 --> 03:41:24,955 REVIEWERS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE, 4988 03:41:24,955 --> 03:41:26,490 AT LEAST WHEN THEY'RE DISCUSSED. 4989 03:41:26,490 --> 03:41:29,092 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN THEY'RE NOT DISCUSSED. 4990 03:41:29,092 --> 03:41:30,694 BUT WHEN THEY'RE DISCUSSED, 4991 03:41:30,694 --> 03:41:33,297 THEY'RE OFTEN ON THE SAME PAGE. 4992 03:41:35,065 --> 03:41:38,035 - SO, AS PROGRAM OFFICERS, 4993 03:41:38,035 --> 03:41:40,871 I'M SURE YOU RECEIVE A LOT OF SPECIFIC AIMS PAGE 4994 03:41:40,871 --> 03:41:44,541 AND INTEREST FROM A LOT OF INSTITUTIONS. 4995 03:41:44,541 --> 03:41:46,710 WHAT IS THE RATIO, IF YOU HAVE TO, 4996 03:41:46,710 --> 03:41:50,180 BETWEEN THE RESEARCH-INTENSIVE INSTITUTIONS 4997 03:41:50,180 --> 03:41:51,482 AND THE LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS, 4998 03:41:51,482 --> 03:41:54,885 HOW MANY INQUIRIES AND AIMS PAGES YOU RECEIVE 4999 03:41:54,885 --> 03:41:58,188 FROM THE LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS, 5000 03:41:58,188 --> 03:42:00,057 I MEAN, SUCH AS WE HAVE IN THIS ROOM? 5001 03:42:00,057 --> 03:42:00,891 A. 5002 03:42:00,891 --> 03:42:05,362 AND B, CAN YOU POINT OUT ANY MAJOR DIFFERENCES 5003 03:42:05,362 --> 03:42:06,763 BETWEEN THE INQUIRIES, 5004 03:42:06,763 --> 03:42:08,832 THE KIND OF INQUIRIES, 5005 03:42:08,832 --> 03:42:12,269 AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN USE, YOU KNOW, 5006 03:42:12,269 --> 03:42:13,537 TO STAND ON IT? 5007 03:42:15,772 --> 03:42:17,908 - THAT QUESTION STRUCK A CHORD WITH ME. 5008 03:42:17,908 --> 03:42:21,211 I'VE BEEN AT NIH FOR 22 YEARS, 5009 03:42:21,211 --> 03:42:22,446 AND IT IS RARE, 5010 03:42:23,647 --> 03:42:26,483 EXCEPT, AND I'LL ARGUE IT'S CHANGING, 5011 03:42:26,483 --> 03:42:29,653 BUT IT HAS BEEN RARE OVER THE 22 YEARS 5012 03:42:29,653 --> 03:42:32,389 TO GET A LARGE NUMBER OF CONCEPTS 5013 03:42:34,391 --> 03:42:35,292 FROM LOW RESOURCE. 5014 03:42:35,292 --> 03:42:39,363 IT'S LIKE THE HIGHER-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS MENTOR 5015 03:42:40,864 --> 03:42:43,534 THEIR PEOPLE TO CONTACT PROGRAM. 5016 03:42:45,469 --> 03:42:48,105 THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE CASE. 5017 03:42:48,105 --> 03:42:49,540 I CAN'T, 5018 03:42:49,540 --> 03:42:50,440 I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA, 5019 03:42:50,440 --> 03:42:51,842 BUT THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE CASE, 5020 03:42:51,842 --> 03:42:52,676 'CAUSE I DON'T, 5021 03:42:52,676 --> 03:42:57,047 I HAVE NOT OVER THE YEARS GOTTEN MANY CONCEPTS EXCEPT, 5022 03:42:57,047 --> 03:43:00,117 AND HONESTLY, I THINK SINCE UNITE, 5023 03:43:00,117 --> 03:43:01,818 IT'S CHANGED SOME. - MM-HMM. 5024 03:43:01,818 --> 03:43:03,420 - BUT BEFORE UNITE, 5025 03:43:04,454 --> 03:43:06,823 I DON'T THINK WE REALLY GOT A WHOLE LOT. 5026 03:43:06,823 --> 03:43:09,726 - I AGREE WITH DR. CRUMP, SAME HERE. 5027 03:43:09,726 --> 03:43:11,962 IT JUST, YOU KNOW, 5028 03:43:11,962 --> 03:43:13,664 IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. 5029 03:43:13,664 --> 03:43:16,967 TO GET A VIEW OF WHAT THE SPECIFIC AIMS 5030 03:43:16,967 --> 03:43:19,469 THAT WOULD BE COMING THROUGH THE DOOR 5031 03:43:19,469 --> 03:43:21,638 IS SOMETHING THAT ANYONE CAN DO. 5032 03:43:21,638 --> 03:43:24,441 YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEND IT TO YOUR PROGRAM OFFICERS, 5033 03:43:24,441 --> 03:43:27,444 BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE PURPOSE 5034 03:43:27,444 --> 03:43:28,979 OF THIS WORKSHOP HERE, 5035 03:43:28,979 --> 03:43:32,583 IS TO GET THAT INFORMATION BACK OUT TO THE PIS 5036 03:43:32,583 --> 03:43:35,185 TO REACH OUT TO THE PROGRAM OFFICERS, 5037 03:43:35,185 --> 03:43:37,120 SEND THOSE SPECIFIC AIM PAGES 5038 03:43:37,120 --> 03:43:40,257 OR ONE PAGERS TO THE PROGRAM OFFICERS. 5039 03:43:40,257 --> 03:43:41,592 SO WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT 5040 03:43:41,592 --> 03:43:45,095 THAT'S WHAT THIS PARTICULAR WORKSHOP IS, 5041 03:43:45,095 --> 03:43:49,199 IS WHAT YOU GUYS WILL DO AND SHARE WITH YOUR PIS. 5042 03:43:53,837 --> 03:43:55,672 - [DORIT] ANYONE ELSE? 5043 03:43:57,074 --> 03:43:58,575 GO AHEAD. 5044 03:43:58,575 --> 03:44:02,045 - AND HOW THAT MAY INFLUENCE YOUR RESPONSE. 5045 03:44:02,045 --> 03:44:05,949 SO IF YOU HAVE 60 SPECIFIC AIMS PAGES FROM PWIS 5046 03:44:07,250 --> 03:44:10,621 OR RESEARCH-INTENSIVE INSTITUTIONS, 5047 03:44:10,621 --> 03:44:13,657 AND THEN YOU HAVE A FEW COMING 5048 03:44:13,657 --> 03:44:16,226 FROM LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS, 5049 03:44:17,060 --> 03:44:18,562 AND, I DON'T KNOW, 5050 03:44:19,763 --> 03:44:20,597 IT MAY NOT BE, 5051 03:44:20,597 --> 03:44:23,967 BUT IF THE NARRATIVE IS DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO, 5052 03:44:23,967 --> 03:44:27,804 IS THERE A TRAINING ON PROGRAM OFFICER'S SIDES 5053 03:44:29,206 --> 03:44:31,274 OR SOME SORT OF DIRECTION 5054 03:44:32,442 --> 03:44:36,113 ON HOW TO NAVIGATE LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS 5055 03:44:37,714 --> 03:44:39,616 TOWARDS A CERTAIN PATH? 5056 03:44:42,452 --> 03:44:43,954 - SO, WELL, 5057 03:44:43,954 --> 03:44:45,288 I MEAN, I WOULD SAY, 5058 03:44:45,288 --> 03:44:46,757 YOU KNOW, AS A PROGRAM OFFICER, 5059 03:44:46,757 --> 03:44:49,259 I READ ALL OF THE SPECIFIC AIMS THAT COME MY WAY. 5060 03:44:49,259 --> 03:44:52,162 SO IT'S NOT THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, 5061 03:44:52,162 --> 03:44:54,231 DECIDING WHOSE I'M GOING TO READ. 5062 03:44:54,231 --> 03:44:57,300 YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS TO MOVE FORWARD A AREA 5063 03:44:57,300 --> 03:44:58,535 OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH, 5064 03:44:58,535 --> 03:45:00,203 A BODY OF SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH. 5065 03:45:00,203 --> 03:45:02,806 SO IF A SPECIFIC AIM COMES TO ME, 5066 03:45:02,806 --> 03:45:05,042 IT LOOKS LIKE IT STAYS IN MY INSTITUTE, 5067 03:45:05,042 --> 03:45:07,077 I'M GONNA READ THE SPECIFIC AIMS. 5068 03:45:07,077 --> 03:45:10,580 AND WHEN I HAVE THE DIALOGUE WITH THE PI, 5069 03:45:10,580 --> 03:45:11,748 I CAN ADVISE, YOU KNOW, 5070 03:45:11,748 --> 03:45:15,252 "HEY, THIS LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE A GOOD SUBMISSION 5071 03:45:15,252 --> 03:45:17,254 FOR THIS PARTICULAR NOSI 5072 03:45:18,522 --> 03:45:20,657 OR AREA OF RESEARCH," 5073 03:45:20,657 --> 03:45:23,460 OR MAYBE NOT, IT MAY NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, 5074 03:45:23,460 --> 03:45:24,461 BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, 5075 03:45:24,461 --> 03:45:26,663 I HAVE READ THE SPECIFIC AIMS. 5076 03:45:26,663 --> 03:45:30,534 SO ALL OF THE POS SHOULD BE READING ANY SPECIFIC AIMS 5077 03:45:30,534 --> 03:45:31,435 THAT COMES TO THEM 5078 03:45:31,435 --> 03:45:33,970 AND IT BELONGS IN THEIR INSTITUTE. 5079 03:45:33,970 --> 03:45:34,971 - AND LET ME JUST ADD, 5080 03:45:34,971 --> 03:45:36,773 FOR ME PERSONALLY, 5081 03:45:36,773 --> 03:45:39,509 I DEAL WITH PEOPLE AS INDIVIDUALS. 5082 03:45:39,509 --> 03:45:42,112 SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, 5083 03:45:42,112 --> 03:45:43,180 SOUNDS A LITTLE CLICHE, 5084 03:45:43,180 --> 03:45:45,148 BUT WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS 5085 03:45:45,148 --> 03:45:47,651 IF SOMEBODY'S ASKING ME EXTRA QUESTIONS, 5086 03:45:47,651 --> 03:45:49,886 I ANSWER EXTRA QUESTIONS. 5087 03:45:49,886 --> 03:45:51,455 IF SOMEBODY'S, YOU KNOW, 5088 03:45:51,455 --> 03:45:53,457 AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE THEY'RE FROM, 5089 03:45:53,457 --> 03:45:56,426 I THINK IT'S MORE OFTEN THAT THERE ARE INVESTIGATORS 5090 03:45:56,426 --> 03:45:59,429 WHO EITHER DON'T HAVE REALLY GOOD MENTORING 5091 03:45:59,429 --> 03:46:01,198 OR ARE FROM INSTITUTIONS 5092 03:46:01,198 --> 03:46:03,033 WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT 5093 03:46:03,033 --> 03:46:04,835 WHERE THEY MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. 5094 03:46:04,835 --> 03:46:08,004 IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M GONNA ANSWER 'EM. 5095 03:46:08,004 --> 03:46:10,774 SO I THINK THAT GETS TO WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING, 5096 03:46:10,774 --> 03:46:12,242 IS THAT ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, 5097 03:46:12,242 --> 03:46:14,377 ARE YOU GETTING THE SAME TREATMENT 5098 03:46:14,377 --> 03:46:15,846 IF YOU'RE NOT FROM, 5099 03:46:15,846 --> 03:46:17,314 YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HIGH FLYERS? 5100 03:46:17,314 --> 03:46:18,782 AND MY ANSWER IS, 5101 03:46:18,782 --> 03:46:20,684 AT LEAST IN MY OFFICE YOU ARE. 5102 03:46:20,684 --> 03:46:22,352 AND I THINK THAT'S TRUE FOR MOST, 5103 03:46:22,352 --> 03:46:25,455 I BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE FOR MOST OF US. 5104 03:46:30,727 --> 03:46:32,796 - [DORIT] YEAH, GO AHEAD. 5105 03:46:34,097 --> 03:46:35,232 - IT'S OKAY, THANK YOU. 5106 03:46:35,232 --> 03:46:37,667 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR EXCELLENT ADVICE. 5107 03:46:37,667 --> 03:46:40,070 I'M WONDERING WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE 5108 03:46:40,070 --> 03:46:44,508 TO EARLY-STAGE FACULTY WHO DO GET AN R01-LEVEL AWARD 5109 03:46:44,508 --> 03:46:45,942 IN TERMS OF MAKING DECISIONS 5110 03:46:45,942 --> 03:46:48,545 ABOUT MAYBE APPLYING FOR ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPLEMENTS. 5111 03:46:48,545 --> 03:46:50,881 THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPING A PROGRAM OF RESEARCH, 5112 03:46:50,881 --> 03:46:53,550 WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE THEM? 5113 03:46:55,719 --> 03:46:57,487 - SO I'LL JUMP IN FIRST AND SAY, 5114 03:46:57,487 --> 03:46:58,989 FIRST OFF IS, 5115 03:46:58,989 --> 03:47:01,725 I THINK IF YOU'RE GETTING YOUR FIRST R01 5116 03:47:01,725 --> 03:47:03,193 AS AN EARLY-CAREER PERSON, 5117 03:47:03,193 --> 03:47:05,662 FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU KNOW, 5118 03:47:05,662 --> 03:47:08,031 EYES ON THE PRIZE, RIGHT? 5119 03:47:08,031 --> 03:47:10,033 WHAT IS ON YOUR PLATE? 5120 03:47:10,033 --> 03:47:11,234 FOCUS ON MAKING SURE 5121 03:47:11,234 --> 03:47:14,337 THAT YOU CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT GRANT 5122 03:47:14,337 --> 03:47:17,073 AND WITH YOUR OTHER INSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITIES. 5123 03:47:17,073 --> 03:47:18,909 MAKE SURE YOU KNOW YOUR PRIORITIES. 5124 03:47:18,909 --> 03:47:23,113 I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS IN ACADEMIA, YOU KNOW, 5125 03:47:23,113 --> 03:47:26,583 ALSO HAVE A LOT OF MENTORING RESPONSIBILITIES, 5126 03:47:26,583 --> 03:47:27,918 AND THEY LOVE THAT 5127 03:47:27,918 --> 03:47:31,488 AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THEM. 5128 03:47:31,488 --> 03:47:35,358 YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME YOU TAKE ON ANOTHER GRANT, 5129 03:47:35,358 --> 03:47:39,462 ANOTHER SUPPLEMENT, ANOTHER THIS, ANOTHER THAT, 5130 03:47:39,462 --> 03:47:41,364 YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED 5131 03:47:42,566 --> 03:47:45,135 TO WORK THAT INTO YOUR WORKFLOW. 5132 03:47:45,135 --> 03:47:47,470 AND I THINK, SO LET ME BE VERY CLEAR 5133 03:47:47,470 --> 03:47:48,305 THAT I THINK, 5134 03:47:48,305 --> 03:47:51,608 ABSOLUTELY, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY OPPORTUNITY, 5135 03:47:51,608 --> 03:47:54,344 BUT MAKE SURE YOU DON'T BITE OFF MORE THAN YOU CAN CHEW 5136 03:47:54,344 --> 03:47:56,213 AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE ARRANGEMENTS 5137 03:47:56,213 --> 03:47:58,248 TO WORK THAT INTO YOUR WORKFLOW, 5138 03:47:58,248 --> 03:48:00,817 BECAUSE YOU WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT R01. 5139 03:48:00,817 --> 03:48:03,453 YOU DON'T WANNA GET TO THE END OF THAT R01 5140 03:48:03,453 --> 03:48:05,288 AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PAPERS, 5141 03:48:05,288 --> 03:48:06,790 YOU HAD DELAYS 5142 03:48:06,790 --> 03:48:09,192 SO YOU'RE NOT SHOWING PRODUCTIVITY. 5143 03:48:09,192 --> 03:48:11,761 THAT'S NOT HELPING YOU BUILD YOUR CAREER. 5144 03:48:11,761 --> 03:48:14,364 SO THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE. 5145 03:48:14,364 --> 03:48:16,366 - [TIFFANI] I AGREE. 5146 03:48:16,366 --> 03:48:18,168 NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. 5147 03:48:19,603 --> 03:48:20,904 - SO, SHAWN HOLT, 5148 03:48:20,904 --> 03:48:23,073 WINSTON-SALEM STATE UNIVERSITY. 5149 03:48:23,073 --> 03:48:25,508 SO YOU MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, 5150 03:48:26,543 --> 03:48:30,313 "IF THE PROGRAM OFFICER IS IN THE ROOM." 5151 03:48:30,313 --> 03:48:33,750 WHY WOULDN'T YOU BE IN THE ROOM? 5152 03:48:33,750 --> 03:48:35,685 - GREAT QUESTION! (TIFFANI LAUGHS) 5153 03:48:35,685 --> 03:48:36,519 I LOVE THAT QUESTION. 5154 03:48:36,519 --> 03:48:37,954 SO, FIRST OF ALL, 5155 03:48:39,289 --> 03:48:41,491 NOWADAYS IT'S A VIRTUAL ROOM. 5156 03:48:41,491 --> 03:48:42,826 IT USED TO BE PHYSICALLY, 5157 03:48:42,826 --> 03:48:43,693 WHEN I FIRST STARTED, 5158 03:48:43,693 --> 03:48:45,929 YOU WERE PHYSICALLY SITTING IN THE ROOM WITH THE REVIEWERS. 5159 03:48:45,929 --> 03:48:48,398 NOW, TYPICALLY YOU'RE ON THE PHONE 5160 03:48:48,398 --> 03:48:50,100 OR LOOKING AT A VIDEO, 5161 03:48:50,100 --> 03:48:51,501 TYPICALLY LOOKING AT A VIDEO. 5162 03:48:51,501 --> 03:48:56,373 THE REASON THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT THERE IS BECAUSE, 5163 03:48:56,373 --> 03:48:58,942 I KNOW WHEN I WAS IN PROGRAM, 5164 03:48:58,942 --> 03:49:00,944 I HAD MAYBE APPLICATIONS 5165 03:49:02,545 --> 03:49:05,782 IN ABOUT 10 DIFFERENT STUDY SECTIONS 5166 03:49:05,782 --> 03:49:07,617 IN ANY GIVEN ROUND, 5167 03:49:07,617 --> 03:49:09,786 AND SOMETIMES THEY CONFLICT. 5168 03:49:09,786 --> 03:49:12,956 AND SOMETIMES I HAD A COLLEAGUE COVER 5169 03:49:12,956 --> 03:49:14,257 THAT OTHER STUDY SECTION 5170 03:49:14,257 --> 03:49:16,860 BECAUSE MAYBE MY COLLEAGUE HAD A GRANT 5171 03:49:16,860 --> 03:49:18,428 IN THAT STUDY SECTION TOO. 5172 03:49:18,428 --> 03:49:23,433 SO THAT'S WHY PERSONALLY I MIGHT NOT BE IN THE ROOM. 5173 03:49:23,433 --> 03:49:25,702 I THINK IT CAN VARY FROM INSTITUTE TO INSTITUTE 5174 03:49:25,702 --> 03:49:27,203 HOW THAT'S HANDLED. 5175 03:49:27,203 --> 03:49:30,340 - RIGHT, SO SIMILAR TO WHAT DR. CRUMP SAID, 5176 03:49:30,340 --> 03:49:34,511 THERE MAY BE CONFLICTING TIMES FOR THE SCHEDULING. 5177 03:49:35,745 --> 03:49:38,114 THERE MAY BE A U54 THAT'S BEING REVIEWED 5178 03:49:38,114 --> 03:49:40,984 VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LIKE A R21. 5179 03:49:40,984 --> 03:49:45,755 SO, YOU KNOW, OUR ATTENTION HAS TO BE AT THAT U54. 5180 03:49:45,755 --> 03:49:47,324 WE ALSO HAVE, 5181 03:49:47,324 --> 03:49:48,491 WE MAY HAVE A ANALYST, 5182 03:49:48,491 --> 03:49:50,427 OR LIKE DR. CRUMP SAID, 5183 03:49:50,427 --> 03:49:51,861 A COLLEAGUE IN THE ROOM. 5184 03:49:51,861 --> 03:49:53,496 BUT 9 TIMES OUTTA 10, 5185 03:49:53,496 --> 03:49:54,764 THEY'RE TAKING NOTES, YOU KNOW, 5186 03:49:54,764 --> 03:49:57,734 THEY SHARE THEIR INFORMATION BACK WITH THE PROGRAM OFFICER. 5187 03:49:57,734 --> 03:49:58,902 IF THERE'S ANYTHING, 5188 03:49:58,902 --> 03:50:01,504 LIKE IF THERE'S A APPLICANT WHO ASKED ME A QUESTION 5189 03:50:01,504 --> 03:50:02,672 AND I WASN'T THERE, 5190 03:50:02,672 --> 03:50:04,674 I WILL CERTAINLY REFER BACK TO THE NOTES. 5191 03:50:04,674 --> 03:50:06,109 AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING I NEED TO ASK 5192 03:50:06,109 --> 03:50:07,277 WHO WAS THERE IN THE ROOM, 5193 03:50:07,277 --> 03:50:08,511 I'LL GO BACK AND ASK THEM 5194 03:50:08,511 --> 03:50:11,214 TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION TO THE PI. 5195 03:50:11,214 --> 03:50:16,052 - SO, INFORMATION FROM THE SRO WOULD BE APPROPRIATE OR NOT? 5196 03:50:16,052 --> 03:50:17,354 NOT TO THE INVESTIGATOR, 5197 03:50:17,354 --> 03:50:18,288 BUT TO YOU ALL. 5198 03:50:18,288 --> 03:50:19,689 - NOPE. - OH. 5199 03:50:19,689 --> 03:50:23,426 - NO, THE SRO REALLY HAS HIS OR HER ATTENTION 5200 03:50:24,494 --> 03:50:27,731 OR THEIR ATTENTION FULLY ON THE REVIEW. 5201 03:50:28,631 --> 03:50:32,102 THE PROGRAM REALLY WORK WITH ONE ANOTHER 5202 03:50:32,102 --> 03:50:35,105 TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR NEEDS ARE MET. 5203 03:50:36,873 --> 03:50:39,409 THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF DIVIDE OURSELVES. 5204 03:50:39,409 --> 03:50:44,414 WE (CHUCKLES) DEFINITELY HAVE A DIVISION OF LABOR. 5205 03:50:46,850 --> 03:50:48,151 - [DORIT] OKAY. 5206 03:50:48,151 --> 03:50:49,686 OKAY, GO AHEAD. 5207 03:50:49,686 --> 03:50:52,422 WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MORE MINUTES FOR THIS ONE, 5208 03:50:52,422 --> 03:50:54,257 SO THERE'S STILL TIME. 5209 03:50:54,257 --> 03:50:56,659 - JUST BROUGHT UP YOUR DISCUSSION 5210 03:50:56,659 --> 03:50:59,662 ABOUT THE VIRTUAL REVIEW NOW, 5211 03:50:59,662 --> 03:51:01,998 IS THAT GONNA BE COMPLETELY GOING FORWARD? 5212 03:51:01,998 --> 03:51:04,300 JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, 5213 03:51:04,300 --> 03:51:05,368 IN MY EXPERIENCE, 5214 03:51:05,368 --> 03:51:07,504 THOSE WERE GREAT PLACES IN PERSON 5215 03:51:07,504 --> 03:51:08,972 TO SPEND TIME WITH PEOPLE, 5216 03:51:08,972 --> 03:51:10,240 TO GET TO KNOW COLLEAGUES, 5217 03:51:10,240 --> 03:51:13,043 TO BE ABLE TO FIND PEOPLE TO WRITE THE LETTERS 5218 03:51:13,043 --> 03:51:15,578 THAT YOU OR YOUR MENTEES NEED, 5219 03:51:15,578 --> 03:51:18,481 AND YOU JUST DON'T GET THAT ON VIRTUAL. 5220 03:51:18,481 --> 03:51:19,416 SO, I JUST, 5221 03:51:20,917 --> 03:51:22,852 IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE, YEAH, 5222 03:51:22,852 --> 03:51:25,789 SO THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, 5223 03:51:25,789 --> 03:51:27,891 IS THAT IT OBVIOUSLY SAVES A LOT OF MONEY, 5224 03:51:27,891 --> 03:51:28,992 AND I GET IT, 5225 03:51:28,992 --> 03:51:32,462 BUT IT REALLY IS A PLACE TO DEVELOP THOSE CONTACTS 5226 03:51:32,462 --> 03:51:35,265 TO GET THOSE LETTERS, IN MY EXPERIENCE. 5227 03:51:35,265 --> 03:51:36,266 - YEAH. - EVEN BETTER 5228 03:51:36,266 --> 03:51:38,268 THAN CONFERENCES. - YEAH. 5229 03:51:39,769 --> 03:51:42,172 - YES. - YEAH, PLEASE, PLEASE. 5230 03:51:43,573 --> 03:51:44,641 - HI, I'M BRETT SPEAR, 5231 03:51:44,641 --> 03:51:45,608 I'M AT UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY, 5232 03:51:45,608 --> 03:51:48,978 I CO-DIRECT THE SURE RESOURCE CENTER. 5233 03:51:48,978 --> 03:51:50,914 I'VE BEEN ON A LOT OF STUDY SECTIONS, 5234 03:51:50,914 --> 03:51:54,050 I'M CHAIRING A STUDY SECTION RIGHT NOW. 5235 03:51:54,050 --> 03:51:57,854 STUDY SECTION'S A LOT MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN YOU'RE IN PERSON. 5236 03:51:57,854 --> 03:51:59,956 AND FOR OUR STUDY SECTION, 5237 03:51:59,956 --> 03:52:01,357 WE MEET ONE OUT OF EVERY THREE, 5238 03:52:01,357 --> 03:52:02,992 WE MEET IN PERSON ONCE, 5239 03:52:02,992 --> 03:52:04,094 AND THEN WE HAVE TWO VIRTUALS, 5240 03:52:04,094 --> 03:52:07,163 I THINK THAT'S PRETTY COMMON NOW. 5241 03:52:07,163 --> 03:52:08,965 - YEAH, IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE SRO, 5242 03:52:08,965 --> 03:52:10,300 AS I UNDERSTAND IT. 5243 03:52:10,300 --> 03:52:11,334 HOW- - THAT MAY BE 5244 03:52:11,334 --> 03:52:12,502 ANOTHER QUESTION FOR BRUCE. 5245 03:52:12,502 --> 03:52:13,369 - RIGHT. - YEAH, YEAH. 5246 03:52:13,369 --> 03:52:15,004 - YEAH. - YEAH, YEAH. 5247 03:52:15,004 --> 03:52:15,839 YES, YES. 5248 03:52:15,839 --> 03:52:18,108 - BUT YEAH, THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF VALUE 5249 03:52:18,108 --> 03:52:19,776 TO HAVING IN-PERSON STUDY SECTIONS. 5250 03:52:19,776 --> 03:52:22,112 BUT, AGAIN, I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOR OPPORTUNITIES 5251 03:52:22,112 --> 03:52:23,847 FOR NEW FACULTY TO BE, YOU KNOW, 5252 03:52:23,847 --> 03:52:25,248 A PANEL ON A STUDY SECTION. 5253 03:52:25,248 --> 03:52:27,417 ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOUR FACULTY 5254 03:52:27,417 --> 03:52:29,886 TO SIT ON A STUDY SECTION IF THEY CAN. 5255 03:52:29,886 --> 03:52:32,322 IT'S AN INCREDIBLY GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE, 5256 03:52:32,322 --> 03:52:33,490 ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN PERSON, 5257 03:52:33,490 --> 03:52:34,324 BUT EVEN IF NOT, 5258 03:52:34,324 --> 03:52:36,392 SO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THAT. 5259 03:52:38,862 --> 03:52:39,762 - [DORIT] ANY MORE QUESTIONS? 5260 03:52:39,762 --> 03:52:42,198 GO AHEAD. - WELL, JUST A COMMENT, 5261 03:52:42,198 --> 03:52:44,701 BECAUSE A LOT OF THE PERSONS HERE 5262 03:52:44,701 --> 03:52:46,402 ARE FROM MINORITY-SERVING INSTITUTIONS 5263 03:52:46,402 --> 03:52:48,171 THAT MIGHT NOT GET THIS. 5264 03:52:48,171 --> 03:52:50,039 BECAUSE WE'RE RESOURCE-LIMITED, 5265 03:52:50,039 --> 03:52:54,744 WE ALWAYS FIGURE OUT OR ASSUME THAT THERE'S NO MONEY. 5266 03:52:54,744 --> 03:52:55,979 SO THE FACULTY MEMBERS 5267 03:52:55,979 --> 03:52:57,347 OR THE PROFESSORS FROM THE INSTITUTIONS 5268 03:52:57,347 --> 03:52:59,048 THAT WANT TO GO SIT ON STUDY SECTIONS, 5269 03:52:59,048 --> 03:53:02,318 THEY WILL PAY, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S IN PERSON. 5270 03:53:02,318 --> 03:53:03,987 SO I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I WAS INVITED, 5271 03:53:03,987 --> 03:53:06,122 I DIDN'T GO BECAUSE I'M SAYING, "I'M NOT PAYING FOR THIS, 5272 03:53:06,122 --> 03:53:07,490 AND THE INSTITUTION DOESN'T HAVE MONEY." 5273 03:53:07,490 --> 03:53:08,424 BUT NOBODY EVER TOLD ME, 5274 03:53:08,424 --> 03:53:10,093 NOT EVEN MY MENTORS, 5275 03:53:10,960 --> 03:53:13,630 DAVID INCLUDED, (CHUCKLES) (ATTENDEES LAUGHING) 5276 03:53:13,630 --> 03:53:16,166 THAT THE NIH WOULD PAY FOR YOUR TRAVEL. 5277 03:53:16,166 --> 03:53:17,834 SO, THEY WILL PAY FOR YOUR TRAVEL 5278 03:53:17,834 --> 03:53:22,071 AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU AN HONORARIUM FOR YOUR TIME. 5279 03:53:25,909 --> 03:53:26,743 - OKAY. 5280 03:53:31,014 --> 03:53:32,582 ANY MORE QUESTIONS? 5281 03:53:36,419 --> 03:53:37,320 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 5282 03:53:37,320 --> 03:53:39,088 YEAH, PLEASE JOIN ME. 5283 03:53:40,356 --> 03:53:42,859 THANKS, DR. CRUMP AND DR. LASH, 5284 03:53:42,859 --> 03:53:45,461 OR OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TIFFANI AND ARIA. 5285 03:53:45,461 --> 03:53:46,863 I'M ALLERGIC TOO. 5286 03:53:48,831 --> 03:53:53,036 AND THANK YOU FOR REALLY ALL THE WORK YOU DO 5287 03:53:53,036 --> 03:53:56,506 AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION YOU'VE IMPARTED TODAY. 5288 03:53:56,506 --> 03:53:58,942 WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW. 5289 03:53:58,942 --> 03:54:00,009 BRUCE REED WILL BE BACK 5290 03:54:00,009 --> 03:54:02,412 TO TALK ABOUT THE CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW, 5291 03:54:02,412 --> 03:54:06,382 AND YOU CAN ASK HIM ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AT THREE O'CLOCK, 5292 03:54:06,382 --> 03:54:08,718 SO WE'LL RECONVENE AT THREE. 5293 03:54:16,392 --> 03:54:18,628 (NO AUDIO) 5294 03:54:25,068 --> 03:54:26,970 WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE. 5295 03:54:27,971 --> 03:54:29,639 - ONE MORE SESSION. 5296 03:54:29,639 --> 03:54:31,407 TWO SPEAKERS TO GO. 5297 03:54:31,407 --> 03:54:34,110 IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD DAY SO FAR, 5298 03:54:34,110 --> 03:54:36,713 AND I'M HAPPY TO WELCOME BACK BRUCE REED, 5299 03:54:36,713 --> 03:54:39,882 THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW. 5300 03:54:39,882 --> 03:54:40,717 ALL YOURS. 5301 03:54:40,717 --> 03:54:41,718 - ALL RIGHT. 5302 03:54:44,020 --> 03:54:45,154 THANK YOU. 5303 03:54:45,154 --> 03:54:46,389 LET'S SEE HERE. 5304 03:54:48,524 --> 03:54:50,860 WHERE ARE OUR SLIDES? 5305 03:54:50,860 --> 03:54:51,694 OKAY. 5306 03:54:53,563 --> 03:54:54,397 ALL RIGHT. 5307 03:54:55,465 --> 03:54:56,299 OKAY. 5308 03:54:59,369 --> 03:55:01,871 SO I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES 5309 03:55:01,871 --> 03:55:06,042 ON OUR EFFORTS TO PROMOTE FAIRNESS IN PEER REVIEW. 5310 03:55:10,513 --> 03:55:12,582 I DON'T WANT IT TO BE FORMAL. 5311 03:55:12,582 --> 03:55:14,250 IF YOU WANNA INTERRUPT WITH QUESTIONS 5312 03:55:14,250 --> 03:55:15,618 ALONG THE WAY, THAT'S FINE, 5313 03:55:15,618 --> 03:55:17,053 I'M GONNA TRY TO LEAVE PLENTY OF TIME 5314 03:55:17,053 --> 03:55:18,955 FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END. 5315 03:55:18,955 --> 03:55:21,024 AND JUST TO REMIND YOU, 5316 03:55:21,024 --> 03:55:24,260 WE DO HAVE A BREAKOUT SESSION TOMORROW AS WELL 5317 03:55:24,260 --> 03:55:25,795 THAT FOCUSES ON PEER REVIEW. 5318 03:55:25,795 --> 03:55:28,398 AND SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THEN, 5319 03:55:28,398 --> 03:55:31,000 COME BACK TO THEM THEN AS WELL. 5320 03:55:34,237 --> 03:55:37,740 LET ME JUST START WITH AN OVERVIEW, WHICH, 5321 03:55:41,110 --> 03:55:43,046 YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ROSTER 5322 03:55:43,046 --> 03:55:45,648 OF THE SCHOOLS THAT ARE REPRESENTED HERE, 5323 03:55:45,648 --> 03:55:48,751 THERE'S A REALLY WIDE RANGE IN EXPERIENCE. 5324 03:55:48,751 --> 03:55:50,153 AND SO, YOU KNOW, 5325 03:55:51,254 --> 03:55:52,722 I GUESS THAT'S A WAY OF SAYING, 5326 03:55:52,722 --> 03:55:54,390 EXCUSE ME IF IT SEEMS TOO BASIC, 5327 03:55:54,390 --> 03:55:58,094 EXCUSE ME IF IT'S MAKING ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU KNOW, 5328 03:55:58,094 --> 03:55:59,529 IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO GUESS, 5329 03:55:59,529 --> 03:56:02,665 BUT LET ME KNOW WITH YOUR QUESTIONS. 5330 03:56:02,665 --> 03:56:04,000 SO JUST QUICKLY, 5331 03:56:04,967 --> 03:56:09,172 YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN FOCUS ON THE REVIEW OF R01S 5332 03:56:09,172 --> 03:56:11,474 AND BIG RESEARCH PROJECT GRANTS, 5333 03:56:11,474 --> 03:56:13,710 AND JUST TO REMIND YOU ALL, 5334 03:56:14,844 --> 03:56:16,245 IT SEEMED LIKE YOU WERE AWARE 5335 03:56:16,245 --> 03:56:17,447 IN THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, 5336 03:56:17,447 --> 03:56:18,748 IT'S NOT ALL R01S, 5337 03:56:18,748 --> 03:56:20,650 IT'S NOT ALL EVEN R21S, 5338 03:56:22,085 --> 03:56:27,090 THERE ARE A WHOLE VARIETY OF SMALLER GRANT MECHANISMS 5339 03:56:27,090 --> 03:56:31,160 THAT DON'T NECESSARILY INVOLVE THE SAME LEVEL OF RESOURCES, 5340 03:56:31,160 --> 03:56:32,895 THE SAME LEVEL OF PRELIMINARY DATA, 5341 03:56:32,895 --> 03:56:36,933 THE SAME STRUCTURES THAT THESE BIGGER AWARDS DO. 5342 03:56:36,933 --> 03:56:40,670 THERE'S ALSO THE SMALL BUSINESS AWARDS, 5343 03:56:40,670 --> 03:56:44,107 AND THOSE ARE BY DEFINITION COMING OUT OF SMALL BUSINESSES. 5344 03:56:44,107 --> 03:56:45,842 AND THEN THERE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL 5345 03:56:45,842 --> 03:56:48,644 AND INSTITUTIONAL TRAINING GRANTS. 5346 03:56:52,348 --> 03:56:55,918 THIS IS PERHAPS A POINT THAT'S BEEN MADE, 5347 03:56:55,918 --> 03:56:59,088 BUT WHEN YOU APPLY FOR FUNDING 5348 03:56:59,088 --> 03:57:02,058 TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE ON HEALTH, 5349 03:57:04,460 --> 03:57:06,095 YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY APPLYING TO NIH, 5350 03:57:06,095 --> 03:57:07,930 YOU APPLY TO ONE OF THE INSTITUTES. 5351 03:57:07,930 --> 03:57:11,033 THERE'S, WHAT, 24 FUNDING INSTITUTES, 5352 03:57:12,568 --> 03:57:15,738 AND YOU'RE APPLYING TO ONE OF THOSE. 5353 03:57:15,738 --> 03:57:20,143 SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S IMPORTANT 5354 03:57:20,143 --> 03:57:21,511 TO TALK TO A PROGRAM OFFICER, 5355 03:57:21,511 --> 03:57:22,678 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME, 5356 03:57:22,678 --> 03:57:25,348 THEY DON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME PRIORITIES. 5357 03:57:25,348 --> 03:57:30,052 YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU ARE INTERESTED 5358 03:57:30,052 --> 03:57:33,055 IN WORKING ON IS OF INTEREST TO THEM 5359 03:57:33,923 --> 03:57:36,659 AND THAT YOU'RE PURSUING A MECHANISM 5360 03:57:36,659 --> 03:57:38,861 THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN FUNDING. 5361 03:57:38,861 --> 03:57:43,099 SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT FUNDING INSTITUTES. 5362 03:57:46,269 --> 03:57:49,539 MOST OF THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN SMALL REVIEW OPERATIONS. 5363 03:57:49,539 --> 03:57:51,040 AS I TOLD YOU THIS MORNING, 5364 03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:54,944 CSR DOES THE LION'S SHARE OF THE REVIEW FOR ALL OF NIH, 5365 03:57:54,944 --> 03:57:57,880 AND WE SERVE ALL OF THE INSTITUTES. 5366 03:58:02,385 --> 03:58:06,823 KNOWING WHAT NIH WANTS TO FUND IS A REALLY COMPLICATED THING 5367 03:58:06,823 --> 03:58:11,027 BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU GOT 24 FUNDING INSTITUTES. 5368 03:58:11,027 --> 03:58:13,162 THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN PRIORITIES. 5369 03:58:13,162 --> 03:58:15,798 YOU KNOW, THEY ANNOUNCE THEM IN VARIOUS WAYS, 5370 03:58:15,798 --> 03:58:17,266 YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE NOFOS, 5371 03:58:17,266 --> 03:58:20,603 THROUGH THE NOTICES OF SPECIAL INTEREST. 5372 03:58:22,772 --> 03:58:24,674 JUST BROADLY, YOU KNOW, 5373 03:58:26,042 --> 03:58:29,779 I THINK PEOPLE NEED TO BALANCE BEING OPPORTUNISTIC 5374 03:58:29,779 --> 03:58:31,747 WITH WHAT STRENGTHS YOU HAVE. 5375 03:58:31,747 --> 03:58:33,349 YOU WANNA LOOK AT WHAT'S THERE, 5376 03:58:33,349 --> 03:58:37,487 BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY NEED TO PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS. 5377 03:58:37,487 --> 03:58:39,288 AND SO, AGAIN, 5378 03:58:39,288 --> 03:58:40,189 WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, 5379 03:58:40,189 --> 03:58:42,458 TALK TO PROGRAM IN ADVANCE, 5380 03:58:45,761 --> 03:58:48,097 SO LET ME TURN TO JUST A LITTLE BIT 5381 03:58:48,097 --> 03:58:51,100 ABOUT THE PEER REVIEW SYSTEM WE USE. 5382 03:58:54,170 --> 03:58:56,506 NIH USES A TWO-LEVEL SYSTEM. 5383 03:58:58,641 --> 03:58:59,709 SO, YOU KNOW, 5384 03:58:59,709 --> 03:59:01,310 MOST OF THE TIME WHEN YOU THINK OF PEER REVIEW, 5385 03:59:01,310 --> 03:59:03,346 YOU'RE THINKING OF REVIEW PANELS, 5386 03:59:03,346 --> 03:59:06,916 AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST LEVEL OF PEER REVIEW. 5387 03:59:06,916 --> 03:59:10,253 THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THOSE STUDY SECTIONS 5388 03:59:12,255 --> 03:59:14,390 IS TO EVALUATE THE SCIENTIFIC 5389 03:59:14,390 --> 03:59:16,926 AND TECHNICAL MERIT OF THE APPLICATIONS. 5390 03:59:16,926 --> 03:59:20,530 SO PANELS ARE NOT MAKING FUNDING DECISIONS. 5391 03:59:21,464 --> 03:59:25,067 PANELS ARE SIMPLY JUDGING SCIENTIFIC MERIT. 5392 03:59:27,203 --> 03:59:29,916 FUNDING DECISIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FUNDING GET 5393 03:59:29,916 --> 03:59:30,172 MADE 5394 03:59:30,172 --> 03:59:31,574 AT THE SECOND LEVEL OF REVIEW, 5395 03:59:31,574 --> 03:59:34,010 SO THESE ARE THE NATIONAL ADVISORY COUNCILS 5396 03:59:34,010 --> 03:59:36,412 FOR EACH OF THOSE 24 FUNDING INSTITUTES 5397 03:59:36,412 --> 03:59:38,814 THAT I WAS REFERRING TO. 5398 03:59:38,814 --> 03:59:39,649 SO, AGAIN, 5399 03:59:40,550 --> 03:59:44,220 THE PROCESSES VARY FROM INSTITUTE TO INSTITUTE. 5400 03:59:44,220 --> 03:59:46,856 SOME ARE WHAT WE CALL SORT OF A HARD PAYLINE, 5401 03:59:46,856 --> 03:59:51,627 SO IF YOU GOT A SCORE THAT'S BETTER THAN THE PAYLINE, 5402 03:59:51,627 --> 03:59:54,797 IT'S EXTREMELY LIKELY YOU'LL GET FUNDED. 5403 03:59:54,797 --> 03:59:58,467 OTHERS USE THAT AS A BROAD SUGGESTION, 5404 03:59:58,467 --> 04:00:01,370 AND THEIR OWN INSTITUTE PRIORITIES, 5405 04:00:02,305 --> 04:00:03,639 SCIENTIFIC PRIORITIES 5406 04:00:03,639 --> 04:00:06,309 AND OTHER KINDS OF PRIORITIES COME INTO PLAY, 5407 04:00:06,309 --> 04:00:09,178 AND THEY MOVE QUITE A BIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 5408 04:00:09,178 --> 04:00:12,248 THEY SKIP SOME OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE BELOW THAT 5409 04:00:12,248 --> 04:00:17,253 AND THEY GO AND GET SOME OF THEM THAT ARE SCORED ABOVE THAT. 5410 04:00:19,522 --> 04:00:21,524 SO BOTH OF THOSE LEVELS. 5411 04:00:25,394 --> 04:00:27,496 SO EVERY APPLICATION THAT GETS FUNDED HAS TO GO 5412 04:00:27,496 --> 04:00:28,631 THROUGH BOTH OF THOSE LEVELS, 5413 04:00:28,631 --> 04:00:31,534 AND BOTH OF THEM HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT 5414 04:00:31,534 --> 04:00:34,136 ON WHAT GETS FUNDED IN THE END. 5415 04:00:35,104 --> 04:00:37,873 SO, AGAIN, THE FIRST LEVEL OF PEER REVIEW 5416 04:00:37,873 --> 04:00:40,276 IS TO JUDGE SCIENTIFIC MERIT. 5417 04:00:41,310 --> 04:00:43,713 SO THAT'S THE MISSION OF CSR. 5418 04:00:44,680 --> 04:00:48,417 IT'S TO ENSURE THAT NIH GRANT APPLICATIONS RECEIVE FAIR, 5419 04:00:48,417 --> 04:00:52,355 INDEPENDENT, EXPERT, TIMELY SCIENTIFIC REVIEWS, 5420 04:00:52,355 --> 04:00:54,924 FREE OF INAPPROPRIATE INFLUENCES, 5421 04:00:54,924 --> 04:00:58,094 SO THAT NIH CAN FUND THE MOST PROMISING RESEARCH. 5422 04:00:58,094 --> 04:00:59,562 THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 5423 04:00:59,562 --> 04:01:00,730 AND AS I SHOWED YOU THIS MORNING, 5424 04:01:00,730 --> 04:01:02,398 WE DO THAT ON A LARGE SCALE, 5425 04:01:02,398 --> 04:01:04,000 60,000 APPLICATIONS, 5426 04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:05,401 20,000 REVIEWERS, 5427 04:01:07,136 --> 04:01:09,538 1,200 REVIEW MEETINGS A YEAR. 5428 04:01:13,275 --> 04:01:15,811 SO THE REST OF WHAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT 5429 04:01:15,811 --> 04:01:18,481 IS VARIOUS INITIATIVES 5430 04:01:18,481 --> 04:01:21,150 THAT CSR AND NIH HAVE UNDERTAKEN 5431 04:01:22,551 --> 04:01:24,487 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, 5432 04:01:24,487 --> 04:01:27,990 ALL AIMED AT MAKING THE REVIEW PROCESS MORE FAIR 5433 04:01:27,990 --> 04:01:28,824 AND MORE EFFECTIVE. 5434 04:01:28,824 --> 04:01:30,459 AND I JUST MAKE THE POINT 5435 04:01:30,459 --> 04:01:32,962 THAT THOSE ARE CLOSELY LINKED. 5436 04:01:35,931 --> 04:01:40,169 SO A PROCESS THAT'S UNFAIR IS INEFFECTIVE, RIGHT, 5437 04:01:40,169 --> 04:01:41,904 BY DEFINITION. 5438 04:01:41,904 --> 04:01:43,873 AND THE MORE EFFECTIVE YOU MAKE A PROCESS, 5439 04:01:43,873 --> 04:01:45,007 THE MORE FAIR IT IS. 5440 04:01:45,007 --> 04:01:47,877 SO IF YOU'RE REALLY JUDGING SCIENTIFIC MERIT, 5441 04:01:47,877 --> 04:01:49,812 IT'S A FAIR PROCESS. 5442 04:01:49,812 --> 04:01:52,081 IF YOU'RE JUDGING OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, 5443 04:01:52,081 --> 04:01:54,650 THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES UNFAIR. 5444 04:01:56,085 --> 04:02:00,022 SO THERE'S A VARIETY OF STEPS THAT WE'VE TAKEN. 5445 04:02:00,923 --> 04:02:03,592 ONE IS TO MAKE SUSTAINED EFFORTS 5446 04:02:05,194 --> 04:02:07,430 TO DIVERSIFY REVIEW PANELS. 5447 04:02:08,964 --> 04:02:10,700 WHEN I SAY DIVERSIFY, 5448 04:02:11,634 --> 04:02:13,736 I MEAN ALONG MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS. 5449 04:02:13,736 --> 04:02:16,539 SO THIS IS THE STRATEGY, 5450 04:02:16,539 --> 04:02:17,740 OR THESE ARE THE STRATEGIES 5451 04:02:17,740 --> 04:02:20,276 THAT WE'VE PURSUED IN TRYING TO DO THIS. 5452 04:02:20,276 --> 04:02:23,212 IT REALLY STARTS WITH TRYING TO PERSUADE PEOPLE, 5453 04:02:23,212 --> 04:02:25,181 INCLUDING, MOST IMPORTANTLY, OUR OWN PEOPLE, 5454 04:02:25,181 --> 04:02:26,248 OUR OWN SROS, 5455 04:02:28,417 --> 04:02:31,420 MAKING SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE CRITICAL NEED 5456 04:02:31,420 --> 04:02:35,257 FOR NIH TO HEAR DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES. 5457 04:02:35,257 --> 04:02:38,327 AND IT'S ONLY BY HAVING THOSE DIVERSE PERSPECTIVES 5458 04:02:38,327 --> 04:02:41,697 THAT WE CAN FULFILL THE MISSION OF PEER REVIEW, 5459 04:02:41,697 --> 04:02:45,434 WHICH IS TO IDENTIFY THE BEST SCIENCE. 5460 04:02:45,434 --> 04:02:49,405 SO THE MOST EFFECTIVE REVIEW COMMITTEES ARE DIVERSE 5461 04:02:49,405 --> 04:02:50,940 ALONG MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS. 5462 04:02:50,940 --> 04:02:53,776 SO THAT INCLUDES THE SCIENTIFIC BACKGROUND, 5463 04:02:53,776 --> 04:02:56,612 THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE REVIEWERS, 5464 04:02:56,612 --> 04:02:59,348 ALSO, DEMOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY, 5465 04:02:59,348 --> 04:03:01,484 GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY, 5466 04:03:01,484 --> 04:03:03,886 A RANGE OF CAREER STAGES, 5467 04:03:03,886 --> 04:03:07,490 AND A RANGE OF PRIOR PEER REVIEW PERFORMANCE, 5468 04:03:07,490 --> 04:03:09,458 OR EXPERIENCE. 5469 04:03:09,458 --> 04:03:13,362 WE WANT ALL THOSE THINGS TO BE REPRESENTED ON REVIEW PANELS. 5470 04:03:13,362 --> 04:03:17,166 SO, AN ASPECT OF THAT IS TO GET OUR SROS AWAY 5471 04:03:17,166 --> 04:03:19,001 FROM THE SORT OF MENTAL ROLODEX, 5472 04:03:19,001 --> 04:03:20,469 WHICH IS JUST TO SAY 5473 04:03:20,469 --> 04:03:22,671 WE DON'T WANT THEM USING FAMILIAR PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. 5474 04:03:22,671 --> 04:03:23,539 WE DON'T WANT THEM SAYING, 5475 04:03:23,539 --> 04:03:26,442 "OKAY, WHO CAN COVER THIS TOPIC?" 5476 04:03:26,442 --> 04:03:29,311 SO WE'VE WORKED AT CREATING TOOLS 5477 04:03:29,311 --> 04:03:33,079 TO HELP THEM IDENTIFY LESSER-KNOWN, LESS-USED 5478 04:03:33,079 --> 04:03:33,916 REVIEWERS 5479 04:03:33,916 --> 04:03:36,585 AND BRING THEM INTO THE PROCESS. 5480 04:03:37,820 --> 04:03:40,956 WE'VE ALSO TAKEN STEPS TO LIMIT EXCESSIVE SERVICE, 5481 04:03:40,956 --> 04:03:44,627 SO IF YOU GO BACK FIVE, SIX YEARS, 5482 04:03:44,627 --> 04:03:46,629 YOU'D SEE TOO MANY CASES 5483 04:03:47,496 --> 04:03:51,433 WHERE SOME PEOPLE WERE SERVING AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT 5484 04:03:51,433 --> 04:03:52,835 ON PEER REVIEW. 5485 04:03:52,835 --> 04:03:55,738 AND, YOU KNOW, JUST PHILOSOPHICALLY, 5486 04:03:55,738 --> 04:03:58,774 REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD A SCIENTIST THEY ARE 5487 04:03:58,774 --> 04:04:01,443 OR HOW GOOD A REVIEWER THEY ARE, 5488 04:04:02,444 --> 04:04:03,913 THAT'S ONE PERSPECTIVE, 5489 04:04:03,913 --> 04:04:07,249 AND YOU NEED TO ROTATE PERSPECTIVES OVER TIME. 5490 04:04:07,249 --> 04:04:11,453 AND SO WE REALLY DO NOW LIMIT THE EXTENT OF SERVICE 5491 04:04:11,453 --> 04:04:14,557 THAT ANY SINGLE REVIEWER CAN PROVIDE, 5492 04:04:15,825 --> 04:04:19,762 AND THIS CONTRIBUTES TO TURNOVER ON THE PANELS. 5493 04:04:21,497 --> 04:04:26,168 SO THESE STEPS IN CONCERT HAVE BEEN MAKING A DIFFERENCE. 5494 04:04:27,469 --> 04:04:29,972 SO IF YOU LOOK AT THESE LINES, 5495 04:04:31,273 --> 04:04:34,376 LET'S LOOK AT THE BOTTOM SET OF LINES THERE 5496 04:04:34,376 --> 04:04:36,478 WITH UNDERREPRESENTED MINORITIES. 5497 04:04:36,478 --> 04:04:38,714 SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT? 5498 04:04:40,549 --> 04:04:41,717 LET'S SEE, SO, 5499 04:04:41,717 --> 04:04:45,187 WELL, OKAY, SO THE DARK GREEN LINE THERE, 5500 04:04:45,187 --> 04:04:49,592 THAT SHOWS YOU THE PERCENT OF PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATORS 5501 04:04:51,493 --> 04:04:55,097 WHO ARE UNDERREPRESENTED MINORITIES. 5502 04:04:55,097 --> 04:04:56,866 SO IN 2020, THAT WAS, 5503 04:05:00,069 --> 04:05:02,571 THAT WAS WHAT, 8%? 5504 04:05:02,571 --> 04:05:04,573 AND THIS YEAR, 5505 04:05:04,573 --> 04:05:08,143 IT'S STAYED ABOUT FLAT, IT'S 9%. 5506 04:05:08,143 --> 04:05:11,380 IN CONTRAST, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENT 5507 04:05:12,348 --> 04:05:16,685 OF APPOINTED MEMBERS ON OUR STANDING STUDY SECTIONS 5508 04:05:16,685 --> 04:05:18,687 WHO ARE UNDERREPRESENTED MINORITIES, 5509 04:05:18,687 --> 04:05:20,556 THAT'S 16%. 5510 04:05:20,556 --> 04:05:24,126 AND IF YOU LOOK AT SPECIAL EMPHASIS PANELS, 5511 04:05:25,060 --> 04:05:27,863 THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ALL SERVE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, 5512 04:05:27,863 --> 04:05:29,198 THAT'S 13%, 5513 04:05:30,199 --> 04:05:32,401 SO THEY'RE OVERREPRESENTED. 5514 04:05:32,401 --> 04:05:34,169 AND IF YOU LOOK BACK, 5515 04:05:35,437 --> 04:05:39,608 IT'S GRADUAL PROGRESS ON BOTH OF THOSE SINCE 2020. 5516 04:05:42,177 --> 04:05:44,179 AND SIMILARLY FOR WOMEN, 5517 04:05:45,547 --> 04:05:49,151 AGAIN, THE REALLY DARK LINE IS THE PERCENT 5518 04:05:49,151 --> 04:05:51,720 OF PIS WHO ARE WOMEN, 34%. 5519 04:05:56,191 --> 04:05:58,027 AND IN CONTRAST, 5520 04:05:58,027 --> 04:05:59,528 41% OF THE REVIEWERS 5521 04:05:59,528 --> 04:06:01,797 ON OUR SPECIAL EMPHASIS PANELS ARE WOMEN, 5522 04:06:01,797 --> 04:06:05,367 AND 45% OF THE APPOINTED MEMBERS ARE WOMEN. 5523 04:06:05,367 --> 04:06:06,869 SO, IN BOTH CASES, 5524 04:06:08,604 --> 04:06:10,606 WE'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO, 5525 04:06:11,640 --> 04:06:14,443 IN A SENSE, OVERREPRESENT THESE GROUPS 5526 04:06:14,443 --> 04:06:16,512 THAT HAVE BEEN TRADITIONALLY UNDERREPRESENTED 5527 04:06:16,512 --> 04:06:18,113 ON OUR STUDY SECTIONS. 5528 04:06:18,113 --> 04:06:21,984 SO, THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE THERE, 5529 04:06:21,984 --> 04:06:24,753 BUT THESE EFFORTS ARE CONTINUING. 5530 04:06:26,388 --> 04:06:27,589 LET ME SHOW YOU ANOTHER AREA 5531 04:06:27,589 --> 04:06:29,591 IN WHICH YOU SEE CHANGE, 5532 04:06:30,426 --> 04:06:33,762 YOU SEE INCREASED DIVERSITY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. 5533 04:06:33,762 --> 04:06:35,264 WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE 5534 04:06:35,264 --> 04:06:37,533 IS THE COMPOSITION OF REVIEW PANELS. 5535 04:06:37,533 --> 04:06:40,235 THESE ARE STANDING STUDY SECTION MEMBERS. 5536 04:06:40,235 --> 04:06:43,872 AND THIS SHOWS MEMBERS ACCORDING TO THEIR ACADEMIC RANK. 5537 04:06:43,872 --> 04:06:46,542 SO IF YOU LOOK OVER ON YOUR LEFT 5538 04:06:48,610 --> 04:06:50,679 AT WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 2019, 5539 04:06:50,679 --> 04:06:54,149 THE LIGHT BLUE THERE IS FULL PROFESSORS. 5540 04:06:54,149 --> 04:06:55,484 SO 74, AT THAT TIME, 5541 04:06:55,484 --> 04:06:58,454 74% OF THE MEMBERS WERE FULL PROFESSORS, 5542 04:06:58,454 --> 04:07:02,524 AND THE DARKER BLUE, 21%, WERE ASSOCIATES, 5543 04:07:02,524 --> 04:07:06,528 AND THAT INVISIBLE GRAY AT THE BOTTOM WAS THE 1% 5544 04:07:06,528 --> 04:07:08,397 WHO WERE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS. 5545 04:07:08,397 --> 04:07:11,066 AND SO THEN IF YOU LOOK 5546 04:07:11,066 --> 04:07:14,069 OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE GRAPH, 5547 04:07:15,971 --> 04:07:17,072 YOU SEE THE CHANGE. 5548 04:07:17,072 --> 04:07:20,342 SO THE PERCENT OF PROFESSORS IS DISTINCTLY LOWER, 5549 04:07:20,342 --> 04:07:22,077 IT'S 45% NOW. 5550 04:07:22,077 --> 04:07:23,879 IT'S ABOUT 44% ASSOCIATES, 5551 04:07:23,879 --> 04:07:26,615 AND ABOUT 8% ARE ASSISTANTS. 5552 04:07:30,152 --> 04:07:34,289 SO DIVERSIFICATION OF THE STUDY SECTION MEMBERSHIP 5553 04:07:35,591 --> 04:07:38,594 IS ONE AREA THAT WE'VE MADE CHANGES. 5554 04:07:38,594 --> 04:07:39,762 WE TALKED A LITTLE THIS MORNING 5555 04:07:39,762 --> 04:07:43,098 ABOUT THE EARLY-CAREER REVIEWER PROGRAM. 5556 04:07:44,266 --> 04:07:46,502 THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE, 5557 04:07:48,203 --> 04:07:51,173 I THINK, MAKE AN INVESTMENT IN OUR FUTURE REVIEWERS. 5558 04:07:51,173 --> 04:07:55,110 THIS IS A PROGRAM BY WHICH EARLY-STAGE PEOPLE, 5559 04:07:55,110 --> 04:07:57,146 PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE AN NIH GRANT YET, 5560 04:07:57,146 --> 04:07:58,514 THEY'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, 5561 04:07:58,514 --> 04:08:00,949 BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN AWARDED A GRANT, 5562 04:08:00,949 --> 04:08:04,453 THEY CAN SERVE ON STUDY SECTIONS IN A LIMITED CAPACITY. 5563 04:08:04,453 --> 04:08:06,088 AND FEW YEARS AGO, 5564 04:08:06,088 --> 04:08:08,624 WE REVAMPED THIS PROGRAM. 5565 04:08:08,624 --> 04:08:10,125 WE USED TO REQUIRE 5566 04:08:11,660 --> 04:08:15,030 JUST ONE EARLY-CAREER REVIEWER ON A PANEL, 5567 04:08:15,030 --> 04:08:16,231 NOW WE REQUIRE TWO, 5568 04:08:16,231 --> 04:08:18,434 THAT MEANS THAT EVERY ROUND OF REVIEW, 5569 04:08:18,434 --> 04:08:22,771 WE'RE INVITING ABOUT 400 OF THESE EARLY-CAREER PEOPLE 5570 04:08:22,771 --> 04:08:24,273 TO SERVE ON PANELS 5571 04:08:27,409 --> 04:08:31,413 AND REALLY GET THAT SORT OF VALUABLE EXPERIENCE. 5572 04:08:33,849 --> 04:08:35,350 YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE 5573 04:08:35,350 --> 04:08:37,252 THAT THIS WILL HELP PEOPLE SCIENTIFICALLY 5574 04:08:37,252 --> 04:08:38,954 AND WE THINK IT'LL FORM THE FOUNDATION, 5575 04:08:38,954 --> 04:08:40,389 AS THEY SAY, IN A FEW YEARS, 5576 04:08:40,389 --> 04:08:43,725 PAYS OFF IN A MORE DIVERSE POOL 5577 04:08:43,725 --> 04:08:46,462 FOR OUR STUDY SECTION MEMBERSHIP. 5578 04:08:48,964 --> 04:08:49,765 OKAY. 5579 04:08:51,266 --> 04:08:53,969 LET ME GO OVER A FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE 5580 04:08:53,969 --> 04:08:56,672 TO TRY TO MITIGATE BIAS. 5581 04:08:56,672 --> 04:08:58,841 SO, AGAIN, THIS MORNING 5582 04:08:58,841 --> 04:09:02,945 WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF REPUTATIONAL BIAS. 5583 04:09:04,446 --> 04:09:07,055 AND REPUTATIONAL BIAS IS CERTAINLY 5584 04:09:07,055 --> 04:09:09,051 WHAT YOU SEE MOST CLEARLY 5585 04:09:09,051 --> 04:09:10,385 IN STUDY SECTION MEETINGS. 5586 04:09:10,385 --> 04:09:12,354 YOU OFTEN HEAR IT, 5587 04:09:12,354 --> 04:09:14,857 IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY BLATANT. 5588 04:09:14,857 --> 04:09:18,160 YOU CAN HEAR THE FIRST ASSIGNED REVIEWER 5589 04:09:19,061 --> 04:09:20,562 SOMETIMES SAY THINGS LIKE, 5590 04:09:20,562 --> 04:09:23,599 "THIS APPLICATION COMES FROM A CRYO-EM SUPERSTAR," 5591 04:09:23,599 --> 04:09:25,667 THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY SAY. 5592 04:09:25,667 --> 04:09:27,269 THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE SCIENCE, 5593 04:09:27,269 --> 04:09:29,638 THEY'VE JUST TOLD YOU WHO IT IS, 5594 04:09:29,638 --> 04:09:31,006 AND THAT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, 5595 04:09:31,006 --> 04:09:35,210 THAT PUTS EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IN A CERTAIN LIGHT. 5596 04:09:35,210 --> 04:09:39,047 THAT'S THE KIND OF BIAS WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE 5597 04:09:40,549 --> 04:09:42,017 AND TRY TO MITIGATE. 5598 04:09:42,017 --> 04:09:42,951 SO IN 2021, 5599 04:09:44,686 --> 04:09:48,624 CSR CREATED BIAS AWARENESS MITIGATION TRAINING. 5600 04:09:51,093 --> 04:09:55,497 IT'S SPECIFICALLY TARGETED TOWARDS THAT FORM OF BIAS. 5601 04:09:56,598 --> 04:09:59,501 IT'S NOT AN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING. 5602 04:10:01,336 --> 04:10:03,438 THIS SAYS 25,000 REVIEWS, 5603 04:10:03,438 --> 04:10:07,543 IT'S ACTUALLY MORE LIKE 34,000 HAVE TAKEN THIS TRAINING 5604 04:10:07,543 --> 04:10:09,344 AT THIS POINT. 5605 04:10:09,344 --> 04:10:12,648 IT HAS NOW BECOME REQUIRED BY THE NIH 5606 04:10:12,648 --> 04:10:15,817 SO THAT ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SERVE ON A PANEL, 5607 04:10:15,817 --> 04:10:17,886 BEFORE THEY SERVE FOR THE FIRST TIME, 5608 04:10:17,886 --> 04:10:21,056 THEY HAVE TO TAKE THIS TRAINING. 5609 04:10:21,056 --> 04:10:23,458 THE TRAINING HAS BEEN REALLY WELL REGARDED. 5610 04:10:23,458 --> 04:10:24,426 IF YOU LOOK AT IT, 5611 04:10:24,426 --> 04:10:27,029 PEOPLE SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT IT. 5612 04:10:27,029 --> 04:10:29,431 THAT'S NICE, BUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT 5613 04:10:29,431 --> 04:10:31,066 IS WHETHER IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE. 5614 04:10:31,066 --> 04:10:33,502 IF YOU ASK THEM IF IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE, 5615 04:10:33,502 --> 04:10:34,803 THEY SAY THAT IT IS. 5616 04:10:34,803 --> 04:10:36,538 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, 5617 04:10:36,538 --> 04:10:37,773 THAT GRAPH, 5618 04:10:37,773 --> 04:10:39,641 IT'S HOW PEOPLE RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS 5619 04:10:39,641 --> 04:10:44,646 ABOUT HOW MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE DID THE TRAINING MAKE YOU 5620 04:10:44,846 --> 04:10:47,616 IN INTERVENING WHEN YOU HEAR SOMETHING BIASED. 5621 04:10:47,616 --> 04:10:51,320 AND SO 90% OF THE PEOPLE WHO TOOK THE TRAINING SAY 5622 04:10:51,320 --> 04:10:52,888 THAT IT WAS EITHER MODERATELY 5623 04:10:52,888 --> 04:10:55,824 OR TO A LARGE EXTENT MADE THEM MORE COMFORTABLE, 5624 04:10:55,824 --> 04:10:57,492 SO THAT'S GOOD AS WELL. 5625 04:10:57,492 --> 04:11:00,896 BUT THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE DOING. 5626 04:11:02,564 --> 04:11:05,200 I'LL SAY THAT WE DO SEE THIS IN STUDY SECTIONS. 5627 04:11:05,200 --> 04:11:07,302 WE ACTUALLY SEE STUDY SECTIONS 5628 04:11:07,302 --> 04:11:09,972 WHERE PEOPLE WILL SAY SOMETHING 5629 04:11:09,972 --> 04:11:11,773 THAT'S FAIRLY OBVIOUSLY BIASED, 5630 04:11:11,773 --> 04:11:15,577 AND ONE OF THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS WILL PIPE UP AND SAY, 5631 04:11:15,577 --> 04:11:18,280 "HEY, YOU KNOW, DID YOU NOT TAKE THE TRAINING? 5632 04:11:18,280 --> 04:11:20,782 THAT'S JUST WHAT WE TOLD YOU NOT TO DO." 5633 04:11:20,782 --> 04:11:23,118 YOU KNOW, SO WE DO GET THAT. 5634 04:11:24,753 --> 04:11:27,589 SO IT'S TAKING HOLD AT THAT LEVEL. 5635 04:11:31,526 --> 04:11:35,030 AND WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND 5636 04:11:36,465 --> 04:11:38,000 THAT APPLICANTS, REVIEWERS, 5637 04:11:38,000 --> 04:11:42,304 ANYBODY CAN REPORT INSTANCES OF BIAS DIRECTLY TO CSR. 5638 04:11:42,304 --> 04:11:45,907 THAT'S THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT YOU CAN USE. 5639 04:11:45,907 --> 04:11:47,376 THIS IS A BOX WE MONITOR. 5640 04:11:47,376 --> 04:11:50,379 WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT COMES IN. 5641 04:11:52,948 --> 04:11:55,517 SO WHEN SOMETHING COMES IN, 5642 04:11:55,517 --> 04:11:57,252 WE INVESTIGATE IT. 5643 04:11:57,252 --> 04:12:00,922 AND IF WE THINK THAT THE COMPLAINT IS RIGHT, 5644 04:12:01,990 --> 04:12:04,526 AND WE DO SOMETIMES THINK THAT THE COMPLAINT IS RIGHT, 5645 04:12:04,526 --> 04:12:06,695 THAT THE REVIEW IS BIASED, 5646 04:12:06,695 --> 04:12:09,998 WE WILL RE-REVIEW THAT APPLICATION 5647 04:12:09,998 --> 04:12:11,566 IN THE SAME COUNCIL ROUND. 5648 04:12:11,566 --> 04:12:13,835 SO WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN 5649 04:12:13,835 --> 04:12:15,604 TO NOT DISADVANTAGE THE APPLICANT. 5650 04:12:15,604 --> 04:12:17,272 GET THEIR APPLICATION REVIEWED, 5651 04:12:17,272 --> 04:12:18,373 GET IT REVIEWED RIGHT, 5652 04:12:18,373 --> 04:12:20,542 GET IT REVIEWED IN THAT COUNCIL ROUND. 5653 04:12:20,542 --> 04:12:23,445 SO THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL APPEALS PROCESS. 5654 04:12:23,445 --> 04:12:24,713 THIS ISN'T ANYBODY GOING THROUGH IT 5655 04:12:24,713 --> 04:12:29,718 THAT'S JUST SENDING US AN EMAIL SAYING SOMETHING WENT WRONG. 5656 04:12:30,252 --> 04:12:31,253 WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE, 5657 04:12:31,253 --> 04:12:32,421 AND IF WE DON'T AGREE, 5658 04:12:32,421 --> 04:12:34,556 WE LET PEOPLE KNOW, EXPLAIN IT. 5659 04:12:34,556 --> 04:12:35,891 BUT PEOPLE ARE THEN FREE 5660 04:12:35,891 --> 04:12:39,027 TO PURSUE THE NORMAL APPEALS PROCESS. 5661 04:12:39,027 --> 04:12:41,563 BUT THIS IS A PROCESS PEOPLE CAN GO THROUGH 5662 04:12:41,563 --> 04:12:44,199 THAT'S MUCH MORE NIMBLE. 5663 04:12:44,199 --> 04:12:46,201 THE OTHER THING TO NOTE ABOUT THIS 5664 04:12:46,201 --> 04:12:48,937 IS WE DON'T JUST TRY TO FIX THE APPLICATION, 5665 04:12:48,937 --> 04:12:51,206 WE TRY TO FIX THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. 5666 04:12:51,206 --> 04:12:53,742 SO IF SOME REVIEWER WROTE SOMETHING 5667 04:12:53,742 --> 04:12:56,611 THAT WAS BIASED IN A CRITIQUE, 5668 04:12:56,611 --> 04:13:00,382 WE ASK ONE OF OUR DIVISION DIRECTORS TO CALL THEM UP 5669 04:13:00,382 --> 04:13:02,451 AND TO HAVE A CHAT ABOUT IT. 5670 04:13:02,451 --> 04:13:07,456 AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO MAKE IT NOT A SCOLDY CONVERSATION 5671 04:13:07,889 --> 04:13:09,424 BUT AN INFORMATIVE CONVERSATION. 5672 04:13:09,424 --> 04:13:10,258 SAY, "HEY, YOU KNOW, 5673 04:13:10,258 --> 04:13:12,527 LOOK, THIS IS WHAT YOU SAID. 5674 04:13:12,527 --> 04:13:13,562 THIS WAS PROBLEMATIC, 5675 04:13:13,562 --> 04:13:16,531 DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY IT WAS PROBLEMATIC? 5676 04:13:16,531 --> 04:13:17,933 YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO SAY? 5677 04:13:17,933 --> 04:13:20,268 WAS IT SOMETHING MISPLACED?" 5678 04:13:21,203 --> 04:13:23,405 WE GO THROUGH A CONVERSATION WITH THEM. 5679 04:13:23,405 --> 04:13:27,075 AND MOST OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE PRETTY PRODUCTIVE, 5680 04:13:27,075 --> 04:13:30,145 AND THE WHOLE POINT IS TO TRY TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR 5681 04:13:30,145 --> 04:13:34,916 AND ULTIMATELY CHANGE THE CULTURE ON THESE REVIEW PANELS. 5682 04:13:37,486 --> 04:13:38,653 THEN, BRIEFLY, 5683 04:13:40,689 --> 04:13:44,092 I WANNA TALK ABOUT TWO OTHER INITIATIVES. 5684 04:13:46,161 --> 04:13:48,063 SO CSR TOOK INITIATIVES 5685 04:13:50,599 --> 04:13:53,201 TO CHANGE THE REVIEW FRAMEWORKS 5686 04:13:55,103 --> 04:13:57,839 THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE REVIEW CRITERIA 5687 04:13:57,839 --> 04:14:00,942 THAT ARE USED IN EVALUATING APPLICATIONS, 5688 04:14:00,942 --> 04:14:03,678 BOTH FOR RESEARCH PROJECT GRANTS, 5689 04:14:04,746 --> 04:14:06,281 AND THEN IN A SEPARATE EFFORT, 5690 04:14:06,281 --> 04:14:11,186 THE PROCEDURES FOR EVALUATING FELLOWSHIP APPLICATIONS. 5691 04:14:11,186 --> 04:14:13,455 SO THERE ARE TWO OF THEM. 5692 04:14:13,455 --> 04:14:16,525 THESE WERE BOTH ADAPTED BY NIH, 5693 04:14:16,525 --> 04:14:18,760 THEY'RE BOTH GOING INTO EFFECT. 5694 04:14:18,760 --> 04:14:21,196 THEY'RE COMING FAIRLY SOON. 5695 04:14:21,196 --> 04:14:24,566 THEY GO INTO EFFECT FOR APPLICATIONS THAT HIT 5696 04:14:24,566 --> 04:14:26,635 AFTER JANUARY 25TH, 2025. 5697 04:14:28,703 --> 04:14:29,838 SO, THE REVIEW, 5698 04:14:29,838 --> 04:14:34,009 THE SIMPLIFIED REVIEW FRAMEWORK AFFECTS MOST RPGS, 5699 04:14:35,110 --> 04:14:37,879 SO THAT'S R01S, R03S, R21S, R15S. 5700 04:14:39,548 --> 04:14:41,516 IT DOES NOT AFFECT SMALL BUSINESS GRANTS, 5701 04:14:41,516 --> 04:14:45,420 BUT OTHERWISE MOST OF OUR MECHANISMS. 5702 04:14:45,420 --> 04:14:48,824 IT DOESN'T CHANGE HOW YOUR FACULTY NEED 5703 04:14:48,824 --> 04:14:50,992 TO WRITE APPLICATIONS 5704 04:14:50,992 --> 04:14:52,360 OTHER THAN THE FACT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD 5705 04:14:52,360 --> 04:14:55,430 TO BE AWARE OF HOW YOUR APPLICATION'S GONNA BE REVIEWED. 5706 04:14:55,430 --> 04:15:00,335 BUT IT DOESN'T FORCE ANY CHANGES IN THE APPLICATION ITSELF. 5707 04:15:01,503 --> 04:15:03,338 AND THEN THE SECOND CHANGE, 5708 04:15:03,338 --> 04:15:05,974 AS I SAY, IT'S A SEPARATE EFFORT, 5709 04:15:05,974 --> 04:15:09,444 BUT THERE IS NOW A REVIEW FRAMEWORK 5710 04:15:09,444 --> 04:15:13,415 AND A REVISED APPLICATION FOR FELLOWSHIP GRANTS. 5711 04:15:14,850 --> 04:15:17,285 SO THESE INCLUDE PRE-DOCS, 5712 04:15:17,285 --> 04:15:18,753 LIKE THE F31S, 5713 04:15:18,753 --> 04:15:22,190 POSTDOC, AND DUAL-DEGREE FELLOWSHIPS. 5714 04:15:22,190 --> 04:15:24,326 THEY'RE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS. 5715 04:15:24,326 --> 04:15:27,095 AND I'LL GO OVER THIS IN JUST A BIT MORE DETAIL, 5716 04:15:27,095 --> 04:15:30,131 BUT IT CHANGES BOTH THE CRITERIA 5717 04:15:30,131 --> 04:15:33,602 BY WHICH REVIEWERS ARE GONNA BE EVALUATING IT 5718 04:15:33,602 --> 04:15:38,540 AND IT MAKES SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE APPLICATION ITSELF. 5719 04:15:40,408 --> 04:15:44,513 SO, JUST A COUPLE MORE WORDS ABOUT THESE CHANGES. 5720 04:15:46,314 --> 04:15:49,317 SO, THE SIMPLIFIED REVIEW FRAMEWORK. 5721 04:15:51,987 --> 04:15:56,091 THIS CAME ABOUT FROM CONCERNS OUT OF THE COMMUNITY 5722 04:15:56,091 --> 04:16:00,595 ABOUT THE INCREASED COMPLEXITY OF NIH REVIEW CRITERIA. 5723 04:16:02,831 --> 04:16:04,432 BASICALLY, THE CONCERN WAS 5724 04:16:04,432 --> 04:16:07,669 THAT REVIEWERS WERE GETTING DISTRACTED 5725 04:16:07,669 --> 04:16:10,772 AND NOT REALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO THEIR CORE JOB 5726 04:16:10,772 --> 04:16:13,375 OF JUDGING SCIENTIFIC MERIT. 5727 04:16:13,375 --> 04:16:14,676 AND THEN, AGAIN, 5728 04:16:14,676 --> 04:16:16,244 WE HEARD LOTS OF CONCERNS 5729 04:16:16,244 --> 04:16:19,114 ABOUT THE UNDUE INFLUENCE OF REPUTATION, 5730 04:16:19,114 --> 04:16:21,550 AND THESE SET OF CHANGES ARE REALLY INTENDED 5731 04:16:21,550 --> 04:16:22,817 TO AFFECT BOTH. 5732 04:16:26,555 --> 04:16:31,126 SO, THE INTENTION IS TO REFOCUS FIRST-LEVEL PEER REVIEW 5733 04:16:32,394 --> 04:16:35,564 ON ITS SINGULAR ROLE OF PROVIDING ADVICE TO THE AGENCY 5734 04:16:35,564 --> 04:16:38,033 REGARDING THE SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL MERIT 5735 04:16:38,033 --> 04:16:39,568 OF THE APPLICATIONS. 5736 04:16:39,568 --> 04:16:42,804 SO IT DOES THIS BY REFRAMING THE CRITERIA 5737 04:16:42,804 --> 04:16:46,174 TO TRY TO GET REVIEWERS TO THINK ABOUT THREE KEY QUESTIONS: 5738 04:16:46,174 --> 04:16:48,343 SHOULD IT BE DONE? 5739 04:16:48,343 --> 04:16:50,111 CAN IT BE DONE WELL? 5740 04:16:50,111 --> 04:16:51,780 AND WILL IT BE DONE? 5741 04:16:52,681 --> 04:16:56,952 AND IT TAKES AWAY CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLIANCE ITEMS 5742 04:16:56,952 --> 04:16:59,621 THAT REVIEWERS USED TO HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO 5743 04:16:59,621 --> 04:17:02,591 SO THEY COULD REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE. 5744 04:17:02,591 --> 04:17:04,659 AND IT ADDRESSES CONCERNS 5745 04:17:05,827 --> 04:17:09,064 ABOUT THE UNDUE INFLUENCE OF REPUTATION 5746 04:17:10,632 --> 04:17:12,767 BY CHANGING THE EVALUATION 5747 04:17:13,668 --> 04:17:16,237 OF INVESTIGATOR AND ENVIRONMENT 5748 04:17:18,506 --> 04:17:21,910 TO ONE OF APPROPRIATE OR NOT APPROPRIATE. 5749 04:17:22,877 --> 04:17:24,779 IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S SOME GAP. 5750 04:17:24,779 --> 04:17:28,049 SO IT'S NOT SCORED ONE TO NINE ANYMORE, 5751 04:17:29,618 --> 04:17:32,220 IT'S JUST THIS BINARY JUDGMENT. 5752 04:17:34,255 --> 04:17:35,890 AND AS I WAS SAYING THIS MORNING, 5753 04:17:35,890 --> 04:17:37,525 IT'S ESSENTIALLY, 5754 04:17:37,525 --> 04:17:40,762 LOOK AT THE WORK THAT'S BEING PROPOSED. 5755 04:17:40,762 --> 04:17:44,699 DO THE APPLICANTS HAVE THE NECESSARY BACKGROUND 5756 04:17:46,134 --> 04:17:47,469 TO ACCOMPLISH THIS? 5757 04:17:47,469 --> 04:17:51,673 DO THEY HAVE THE NECESSARY RESOURCES TO GET IT DONE? 5758 04:17:51,673 --> 04:17:54,809 AND IF THEN IT'S RATED AS APPROPRIATE, 5759 04:17:54,809 --> 04:17:56,978 THAT'S HOW THAT'S HANDLED. 5760 04:18:02,851 --> 04:18:03,685 SO. 5761 04:18:06,287 --> 04:18:07,756 IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, 5762 04:18:07,756 --> 04:18:10,825 YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO GO OVER THAT IN MORE DETAIL. 5763 04:18:10,825 --> 04:18:12,961 LET ME SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES TALKING 5764 04:18:12,961 --> 04:18:16,665 ABOUT THE CHANGES TO FELLOWSHIPS AND FELLOWSHIP REVIEW. 5765 04:18:16,665 --> 04:18:17,499 SO, 5766 04:18:20,035 --> 04:18:23,772 THE GOALS OF CHANGING THE FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM, 5767 04:18:24,973 --> 04:18:26,174 THERE WERE SEVERAL. 5768 04:18:26,174 --> 04:18:29,778 AGAIN, REALLY WANTING TO BETTER FOCUS REVIEWERS 5769 04:18:29,778 --> 04:18:33,314 ON THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT THEY OUGHTA BE THINKING ABOUT 5770 04:18:33,314 --> 04:18:35,583 ON THESE TRAINING APPLICATIONS. 5771 04:18:35,583 --> 04:18:39,421 AGAIN, THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN REDUCING BIAS, 5772 04:18:40,455 --> 04:18:45,160 REDUCING THE INAPPROPRIATE IMPACT THAT SOME BIG NAMES 5773 04:18:45,160 --> 04:18:48,496 AND BIG INSTITUTIONAL NAMES WERE HAVING. 5774 04:18:49,731 --> 04:18:52,567 THERE WAS INTEREST IN GETTING THE APPLICATION 5775 04:18:52,567 --> 04:18:56,004 AND THE REVIEW CRITERIA TO ALIGN MORE CLEARLY, 5776 04:18:56,004 --> 04:18:59,507 TO CLARIFY THE INSTRUCTIONS TO APPLICANTS, 5777 04:19:01,009 --> 04:19:03,078 WITH THE SORT OF FUNDAMENTAL GOAL 5778 04:19:03,078 --> 04:19:06,514 OF GIVING MORE EQUAL ACCESS TO CANDIDATES 5779 04:19:08,883 --> 04:19:11,486 ACROSS A BROAD RANGE OF ORGANIZATIONS 5780 04:19:11,486 --> 04:19:13,655 AND RESEARCH ENVIRONMENTS. 5781 04:19:17,492 --> 04:19:18,326 SO. 5782 04:19:22,130 --> 04:19:25,300 SO, THERE'S A LOT TO COMMUNICATE HERE, 5783 04:19:26,201 --> 04:19:28,703 AND I'M NOT GONNA GO OVER IT ALL NOW. 5784 04:19:28,703 --> 04:19:30,538 GO OVER IT IN WHATEVER DETAIL YOU WANT. 5785 04:19:30,538 --> 04:19:33,041 BUT IN THESE SLIDES, 5786 04:19:33,041 --> 04:19:36,711 WHICH I'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET COPIES OF, 5787 04:19:38,012 --> 04:19:40,215 THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES LIKE, 5788 04:19:40,215 --> 04:19:43,384 YOU KNOW, THERE ARE CENTRAL WEBSITES FOR THE CHANGES 5789 04:19:43,384 --> 04:19:45,520 FOR THE SIMPLIFIED REVIEW FRAMEWORK, 5790 04:19:45,520 --> 04:19:47,455 THERE'S ONE ON THE FELLOWSHIP. 5791 04:19:47,455 --> 04:19:48,890 INCLUDES THE DETAILS OF IT 5792 04:19:48,890 --> 04:19:52,994 AND LOTS OF OTHER INFORMATION THAT'LL HELP PEOPLE 5793 04:19:54,095 --> 04:19:57,098 IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. 5794 04:19:59,300 --> 04:20:02,237 WITH THE FELLOWSHIPS IN PARTICULAR, 5795 04:20:03,538 --> 04:20:06,641 WELL, BOTH OF THESE CREATE A BIG CHALLENGE 5796 04:20:06,641 --> 04:20:09,577 IN TERMS OF OUTREACH, COMMUNICATION, 5797 04:20:09,577 --> 04:20:12,147 AND, OF COURSE, TRAINING, 5798 04:20:12,147 --> 04:20:13,882 TRAINING OF OUR OWN STAFF. 5799 04:20:13,882 --> 04:20:16,284 BUT PARTICULARLY WITH THE FELLOWSHIPS, 5800 04:20:16,284 --> 04:20:18,186 WE RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, 5801 04:20:18,186 --> 04:20:22,357 ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO BRING NEW INSTITUTIONS IN, 5802 04:20:22,357 --> 04:20:24,425 BRING NEW SCHOOLS IN. 5803 04:20:24,425 --> 04:20:26,261 AND SO AS WE REACH OUT 5804 04:20:27,595 --> 04:20:31,633 AND AS WE PUSH INFORMATION ABOUT THESE CHANGES OUT, 5805 04:20:31,633 --> 04:20:34,269 WE WILL BE MAKING SPECIAL EFFORTS 5806 04:20:34,269 --> 04:20:38,907 TO REACH SCHOOLS THAT HAVE A VERY LIMITED EXPERIENCE 5807 04:20:38,907 --> 04:20:40,842 WITH FELLOWSHIP APPLICATIONS. 5808 04:20:40,842 --> 04:20:44,179 'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW IS, 5809 04:20:44,179 --> 04:20:46,848 WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHO SUBMITS APPLICATIONS, 5810 04:20:46,848 --> 04:20:48,449 FELLOWSHIP APPLICATIONS, 5811 04:20:48,449 --> 04:20:49,918 THERE'S A SMALL NUMBER OF SCHOOLS 5812 04:20:49,918 --> 04:20:51,719 THAT JUST SUBMIT A TON OF THEM. 5813 04:20:51,719 --> 04:20:55,490 AND THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOOLS THAT SUBMIT JUST A HANDFUL, 5814 04:20:55,490 --> 04:20:58,693 LIKE ONE OR TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE A YEAR. 5815 04:20:58,693 --> 04:21:01,396 AND SO IT'S REALLY THOSE SCHOOLS 5816 04:21:01,396 --> 04:21:03,932 THAT SUBMIT VERY FEW AT THIS POINT 5817 04:21:03,932 --> 04:21:08,570 THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE ARE AWARE OF THESE CHANGES, 5818 04:21:08,570 --> 04:21:10,104 WHICH, AS I SAY, 5819 04:21:10,104 --> 04:21:14,442 I THINK, WILL HELP LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD 5820 04:21:14,442 --> 04:21:16,845 IN TERMS OF THEIR EVALUATION. 5821 04:21:19,981 --> 04:21:20,815 AND THEN, 5822 04:21:22,116 --> 04:21:25,787 AGAIN, AS I INVITED YOU THIS MORNING, 5823 04:21:25,787 --> 04:21:29,023 WE'D, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU TODAY, 5824 04:21:29,023 --> 04:21:30,058 BUT IT'S NOT JUST TODAY. 5825 04:21:30,058 --> 04:21:34,362 WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON AN ONGOING BASIS. 5826 04:21:34,362 --> 04:21:37,732 AGAIN, THESE ARE SOME RESOURCES THAT YOU CAN GO TO 5827 04:21:37,732 --> 04:21:42,370 TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE APPLICATION PROCESS, 5828 04:21:42,370 --> 04:21:44,572 CHANGES THAT ARE COMING, 5829 04:21:44,572 --> 04:21:47,575 HOW TO GO THROUGH THE GRANTS PROCESS. 5830 04:21:47,575 --> 04:21:50,411 BUT THAT EMAIL THERE ALWAYS WORKS, 5831 04:21:51,579 --> 04:21:53,281 GOES TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICE, 5832 04:21:53,281 --> 04:21:56,484 SHE IS REALLY GOOD AT GETTING IT TO THE RIGHT PERSON. 5833 04:21:56,484 --> 04:21:57,652 AND SO, AGAIN, 5834 04:21:59,654 --> 04:22:01,723 ENCOURAGE YOUR QUESTIONS, 5835 04:22:03,091 --> 04:22:05,093 ENCOURAGE YOUR COMMENTS. 5836 04:22:06,628 --> 04:22:09,430 I WENT OVER THESE INITIATIVES REALLY QUICKLY. 5837 04:22:09,430 --> 04:22:11,733 THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. 5838 04:22:11,733 --> 04:22:14,269 THERE'S A PAGE THAT'S DEVOTED 5839 04:22:14,269 --> 04:22:17,805 TO DESCRIBING THE DIFFERENT INITIATIVES 5840 04:22:17,805 --> 04:22:18,973 THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE 5841 04:22:18,973 --> 04:22:22,377 ABOUT TRYING TO ADDRESS BIAS IN PEER REVIEW, 5842 04:22:22,377 --> 04:22:23,578 SO THAT'S THIS PAGE. 5843 04:22:23,578 --> 04:22:24,846 AGAIN, YOU'LL GET THESE SLIDES, 5844 04:22:24,846 --> 04:22:26,547 YOU CAN GO TO THAT AND TAKE A LOOK. 5845 04:22:26,547 --> 04:22:30,885 THERE'S A LOT MORE DATA AND OTHER INFORMATION THERE. 5846 04:22:30,885 --> 04:22:32,053 SO, WITH THAT, 5847 04:22:34,822 --> 04:22:35,857 I THINK I'LL PAUSE. 5848 04:22:35,857 --> 04:22:37,025 IN ADDITION TO, OF COURSE, 5849 04:22:37,025 --> 04:22:38,693 TO THAT GENERAL COMMUNICATIONS, 5850 04:22:38,693 --> 04:22:39,594 YOU CAN WRITE TO ME, 5851 04:22:39,594 --> 04:22:42,196 WRITE TO KRISTIN, OUR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, 5852 04:22:42,196 --> 04:22:44,632 AND NONI'S ALWAYS HAPPY TO GET QUESTIONS, 5853 04:22:44,632 --> 04:22:48,236 SHE'LL MAKE SURE THEY GET RESPONDED TO, SO. 5854 04:22:49,604 --> 04:22:51,539 - [DORIT] AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOUR SLIDES ARE POSTED 5855 04:22:51,539 --> 04:22:52,373 TO THE WEBSITE. 5856 04:22:52,373 --> 04:22:53,274 - YEP, YEP. 5857 04:22:54,709 --> 04:22:56,544 SO, OPEN TO QUESTIONS. 5858 04:22:59,614 --> 04:23:00,448 YES. 5859 04:23:02,016 --> 04:23:04,819 - SO, AT OUR INSTITUTION, 5860 04:23:04,819 --> 04:23:05,753 SO AN HBCU, 5861 04:23:06,587 --> 04:23:08,856 WE'VE NOT ENCOURAGED PEOPLE 5862 04:23:09,991 --> 04:23:14,162 TO SUBMIT FOR INDIVIDUAL NRSAS OR F GRANTS 5863 04:23:14,162 --> 04:23:17,899 BECAUSE THE REVIEW FOR SO LONG HAS BEEN BASED 5864 04:23:19,233 --> 04:23:20,702 ON TRAINING ENVIRONMENT. 5865 04:23:20,702 --> 04:23:23,071 WE SAID IT'S NOT WORTH YOUR TIME 5866 04:23:23,071 --> 04:23:25,206 BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE TRAINING ENVIRONMENT 5867 04:23:25,206 --> 04:23:26,474 THAT'S COMPETITIVE. 5868 04:23:26,474 --> 04:23:28,810 SO, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT, 5869 04:23:28,810 --> 04:23:30,511 SO, THIS IS JUST SO WELCOME, 5870 04:23:30,511 --> 04:23:31,946 AND CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT 5871 04:23:31,946 --> 04:23:35,116 ABOUT THE PLANS FOR TRAINING REVIEWERS 5872 04:23:36,184 --> 04:23:38,553 AND HOW THINGS WILL BE PRESENTED TO REVIEWERS 5873 04:23:38,553 --> 04:23:39,554 IN A DIFFERENT WAY 5874 04:23:39,554 --> 04:23:44,158 TO GET THEM TO NOT JUDGE BY TRAINING ENVIRONMENT, 5875 04:23:44,158 --> 04:23:47,095 WHICH WAS, LIKE, THE MAJOR CRITERIA? 5876 04:23:47,095 --> 04:23:49,197 - WELL, SO LET ME REFRAME 5877 04:23:52,000 --> 04:23:52,967 WHAT YOU SAID 5878 04:23:52,967 --> 04:23:57,638 AND SEE IF (CHUCKLES) YOU'D AGREE WITH THIS, 5879 04:23:57,638 --> 04:23:59,507 BUT, YOU KNOW, 5880 04:23:59,507 --> 04:24:04,012 THEY DO HAVE TO EVALUATE THE TRAINING ENVIRONMENT 5881 04:24:04,012 --> 04:24:06,080 IN THE SENSE OF WHETHER THE ENVIRONMENT 5882 04:24:06,080 --> 04:24:08,583 WILL PROVIDE THE STUDENT WITH WHAT THEY NEED. 5883 04:24:08,583 --> 04:24:10,651 SO THE WAY THESE ARE STRUCTURED 5884 04:24:10,651 --> 04:24:12,453 IS THAT THE CANDIDATE, 5885 04:24:15,056 --> 04:24:16,891 IN ADDITION TO TELLING US ABOUT THEIR BACKGROUND, 5886 04:24:16,891 --> 04:24:18,026 TELLS US WHAT THEY NEED, 5887 04:24:18,026 --> 04:24:21,529 WHAT THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THE FELLOWSHIP. 5888 04:24:21,529 --> 04:24:24,832 AND THEN IT SHOULD BE THE TASK OF THE SPONSOR 5889 04:24:24,832 --> 04:24:27,502 AND THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT 5890 04:24:27,502 --> 04:24:30,138 TO SHOW HOW THOSE NEEDS ARE GONNA BE MET. 5891 04:24:30,138 --> 04:24:32,040 AND ONE OF THE CHANGES, 5892 04:24:34,575 --> 04:24:36,344 ONE OF THE CHANGES IN BOTH THE APPLICATION 5893 04:24:36,344 --> 04:24:39,313 AND IN THE REVIEW CRITERIA 5894 04:24:39,313 --> 04:24:41,449 IS TO TRY TO GET REVIEWERS 5895 04:24:42,817 --> 04:24:44,619 TO FOCUS ON THAT VERY SPECIFICALLY. 5896 04:24:44,619 --> 04:24:46,254 SO IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, 5897 04:24:46,254 --> 04:24:47,922 SO IT'S A BIG SCHOOL, 5898 04:24:47,922 --> 04:24:51,426 IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY NECESSARILY HAVE 5899 04:24:53,661 --> 04:24:56,731 WHAT THAT PARTICULAR CANDIDATE NEEDS. 5900 04:24:57,799 --> 04:24:59,233 THEY CAN'T JUST PUT IN, 5901 04:24:59,233 --> 04:25:01,903 IF THEY JUST PUT IN BOILERPLATE, 5902 04:25:03,171 --> 04:25:05,373 WE WANT THE REVIEWERS TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, 5903 04:25:05,373 --> 04:25:06,774 "NO, WHAT WE WANNA KNOW 5904 04:25:06,774 --> 04:25:09,744 IS HOW YOU'RE GOING TO TRAIN THIS PARTICULAR STUDENT," 5905 04:25:09,744 --> 04:25:13,247 AND THE SAME THING WITH THE SPONSORS, 5906 04:25:13,247 --> 04:25:15,083 WITH THE MENTORS. 5907 04:25:15,083 --> 04:25:18,352 THEY MAY HAVE A FABULOUS SCIENTIFIC REPUTATION, 5908 04:25:18,352 --> 04:25:19,687 BUT THE QUESTION IS, 5909 04:25:19,687 --> 04:25:23,391 HOW ARE YOU GOING TO TRAIN THIS STUDENT? 5910 04:25:23,391 --> 04:25:26,761 AND THE IDEA IS THAT THEY CAN'T JUST DO IT 5911 04:25:26,761 --> 04:25:29,897 BY DROPPING IN A TABLE OF PAST TRAINEES 5912 04:25:29,897 --> 04:25:31,165 AND SAYING THESE ARE THE PEOPLE 5913 04:25:31,165 --> 04:25:33,634 THAT I'VE TRAINED IN THE PAST, 5914 04:25:33,634 --> 04:25:34,469 YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 5915 04:25:34,469 --> 04:25:38,339 YOU HAVE TO PUT IN AN A SPECIFICALLY TAILORED STATEMENT 5916 04:25:38,339 --> 04:25:41,909 ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THIS PARTICULAR STUDENT. 5917 04:25:41,909 --> 04:25:44,579 AND YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IN A LIST 5918 04:25:45,847 --> 04:25:47,381 OF YOUR NIH FUNDING, 5919 04:25:47,381 --> 04:25:49,884 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT EVEN GONNA BE ASKED FOR 5920 04:25:49,884 --> 04:25:52,987 AS A PART OF THE APPLICATION, 5921 04:25:52,987 --> 04:25:56,891 THAT'S NOT GONNA BE LOOKED AT BY THE REVIEWERS. 5922 04:25:56,891 --> 04:25:59,293 THE QUESTION WILL BE INSTEAD, 5923 04:26:05,032 --> 04:26:07,168 IS THE SCIENCE GONNA BE SUPPORTED SOMEHOW? 5924 04:26:07,168 --> 04:26:08,536 AND SHOW US, YOU KNOW, 5925 04:26:08,536 --> 04:26:09,904 THAT THESE GRANTS DON'T HAVE MONEY 5926 04:26:09,904 --> 04:26:13,074 FOR SUPPORT OF THE PROJECTS, REALLY, 5927 04:26:13,074 --> 04:26:14,709 YOU KNOW, THEY SUPPORT THE STUDENT, 5928 04:26:14,709 --> 04:26:16,911 SO WE NEED TO SEE THAT THE SCIENCE IS GONNA BE SUPPORTED. 5929 04:26:16,911 --> 04:26:19,380 BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE NIH, 5930 04:26:19,380 --> 04:26:21,682 DOESN'T NEED TO BE NIH R01S. 5931 04:26:21,682 --> 04:26:24,018 WHEREVER IT'S COMING FROM, THAT'S FINE. 5932 04:26:24,018 --> 04:26:24,852 SO, 5933 04:26:26,020 --> 04:26:28,523 AND HOW DO WE TRAIN REVIEWERS? 5934 04:26:32,059 --> 04:26:34,395 WE START WITH TRAINING SROS. 5935 04:26:35,496 --> 04:26:37,965 CSR ACTUALLY HAS A TRAINING OFFICE 5936 04:26:37,965 --> 04:26:40,768 THAT WE'VE STOOD UP IN THE LAST THREE YEARS. 5937 04:26:40,768 --> 04:26:42,103 THEY HAVE PEOPLE 5938 04:26:44,038 --> 04:26:46,774 SO THERE'S COORDINATED OVERSIGHT, 5939 04:26:46,774 --> 04:26:49,644 BUT THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOCUSED ON REVIEWER TRAINING 5940 04:26:49,644 --> 04:26:52,146 AND WE ACTUALLY HIRED TWO PEOPLE IN THE LAST YEAR 5941 04:26:52,146 --> 04:26:54,415 DEVOTED TO TRAINING OF REVIEWERS 5942 04:26:54,415 --> 04:26:55,750 BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG TASK 5943 04:26:55,750 --> 04:26:59,220 AND BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE TWO INITIATIVES UNDERWAY 5944 04:26:59,220 --> 04:27:00,054 AT THIS POINT. 5945 04:27:00,054 --> 04:27:03,624 SO IT'S THEIR JOB TO DEVELOP THE RESOURCES, 5946 04:27:05,860 --> 04:27:08,429 WHICH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE WILL BE SORT OF, 5947 04:27:08,429 --> 04:27:12,099 YOU KNOW, MASS MARKET, IF YOU WANNA SAY, 5948 04:27:12,099 --> 04:27:14,902 YOU KNOW, BIG WEBINARS, THAT KIND OF THING. 5949 04:27:14,902 --> 04:27:18,673 BUT A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO BE MAKING SURE 5950 04:27:18,673 --> 04:27:22,043 THAT OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC REVIEW OFFICERS UNDERSTAND IT, 5951 04:27:22,043 --> 04:27:23,311 THAT THEY HAVE THE MATERIALS, 5952 04:27:23,311 --> 04:27:27,515 AND THAT THEY WORK WITH THEIR REVIEWERS ONE-BY-ONE 5953 04:27:27,515 --> 04:27:28,749 IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETINGS. 5954 04:27:28,749 --> 04:27:31,085 AND THEN, YOU KNOW, 5955 04:27:31,085 --> 04:27:33,888 THERE'S A FEEDBACK PROCESS AS YOU GO THROUGH PEOPLE. 5956 04:27:33,888 --> 04:27:36,891 YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT OUR REVIEW OFFICERS 5957 04:27:36,891 --> 04:27:38,292 TO BE LOOKING AT THE CRITIQUES, 5958 04:27:38,292 --> 04:27:40,294 LOOKING AT WHAT PEOPLE SAY. 5959 04:27:40,294 --> 04:27:45,166 AND IF PEOPLE ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH REVIEW CRITERIA, 5960 04:27:45,166 --> 04:27:47,635 WE EXPECT THEM TO BE WORKING WITH THEM 5961 04:27:47,635 --> 04:27:50,972 TO GET THEM ALIGNED WITH THOSE CRITERIA. 5962 04:27:54,809 --> 04:27:55,743 YEAH. 5963 04:27:55,743 --> 04:27:58,913 - SO, SROS WILL BE TRAINING REVIEWERS. 5964 04:28:01,582 --> 04:28:03,918 WILL THAT BE AS CRITIQUES ARE COMING IN? 5965 04:28:03,918 --> 04:28:07,588 WILL IT BE CRITIQUE MONITORING OVER THE COURSE OF- 5966 04:28:07,588 --> 04:28:10,291 - IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, 5967 04:28:10,291 --> 04:28:14,962 AND IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AS THE CRITIQUES COME IN. 5968 04:28:14,962 --> 04:28:17,632 - [SHAWN] WHICH IS TYPICALLY LAST MINUTE, RIGHT? 5969 04:28:17,632 --> 04:28:19,233 I MEAN, FOR ANY 5970 04:28:19,233 --> 04:28:20,334 SELF-RESPECTING SCIENTIST. - YEAH, WELL, OKAY, 5971 04:28:20,334 --> 04:28:22,336 SO HERE'S WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS. 5972 04:28:22,336 --> 04:28:24,038 I MEAN, THEY DO COME IN LAST MINUTE, 5973 04:28:24,038 --> 04:28:25,906 BUT LAST MINUTE IS SET 5974 04:28:25,906 --> 04:28:29,677 TO BE SEVERAL DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. 5975 04:28:31,078 --> 04:28:33,914 AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASON 5976 04:28:33,914 --> 04:28:36,584 THAT WE SET IT SEVERAL DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING 5977 04:28:36,584 --> 04:28:40,921 IS SO THAT SROS CAN GO THROUGH AND READ THE CRITIQUES 5978 04:28:40,921 --> 04:28:42,089 AND, WHEN NECESSARY, 5979 04:28:42,089 --> 04:28:45,359 GO BACK AND GET CLARIFICATION, GET MODIFICATIONS. 5980 04:28:45,359 --> 04:28:48,262 SO THERE IS A WINDOW IN THERE 5981 04:28:48,262 --> 04:28:50,898 WHERE THEY'VE GOT TIME TO WORK WITH PEOPLE, 5982 04:28:50,898 --> 04:28:54,702 BUT IT'S A LAYERED SORT OF THING WE DO, YOU KNOW, 5983 04:28:54,702 --> 04:28:58,372 SO, AS I SAY, STARTING WITH BROAD PUBLICITY, 5984 04:28:59,940 --> 04:29:03,277 WORKSHOPS, GIVING TOOLS FOR SROS TO USE. 5985 04:29:06,547 --> 04:29:08,749 SROS TYPICALLY TRAIN THEIR REVIEWERS 5986 04:29:08,749 --> 04:29:10,217 IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING. 5987 04:29:10,217 --> 04:29:13,154 YOU KNOW, THEY DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS, 5988 04:29:13,154 --> 04:29:14,155 SOME HOLD ONE SESSION, 5989 04:29:14,155 --> 04:29:17,224 SOME HOLD 10, YOU KNOW, SMALL GROUPS. 5990 04:29:18,225 --> 04:29:19,293 BUT THEY DO IT DIFFERENT WAYS, 5991 04:29:19,293 --> 04:29:21,195 BUT THEY TALK WITH THEIR REVIEWERS 5992 04:29:21,195 --> 04:29:22,697 IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING, 5993 04:29:22,697 --> 04:29:24,398 ALERTING THEM TO WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. 5994 04:29:24,398 --> 04:29:29,136 AND THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY FOCUSED EFFORT ON THEIR PART, 5995 04:29:30,037 --> 04:29:30,871 SO, YEAH. 5996 04:29:32,673 --> 04:29:34,175 YEAH. 5997 04:29:34,175 --> 04:29:35,810 - THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE CHANGES. 5998 04:29:35,810 --> 04:29:39,046 SO, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW YOU HAVE MADE THE CHANGES 5999 04:29:39,046 --> 04:29:41,949 IN TERMS OF THE ASSISTANT PROFESSORS, 6000 04:29:41,949 --> 04:29:45,252 THE PROFESSORS AND BRINGING MORE JUNIOR FACULTY TO THE MIX. 6001 04:29:45,252 --> 04:29:48,255 DO YOU ALSO HAVE THESE GRAPHS FOR INSTITUTIONS? 6002 04:29:48,255 --> 04:29:51,459 LIKE HOW YOU HAVE BROUGHT IN THE LOW-RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS 6003 04:29:51,459 --> 04:29:52,727 INTO THE STUDY SECTION, 6004 04:29:52,727 --> 04:29:57,223 BECAUSE THAT'S ONE WAY OF ADDRESSING THE ADAPTATIONAL 6005 04:29:57,223 --> 04:29:57,732 BIAS. 6006 04:29:57,732 --> 04:30:00,234 SO DO YOU HAVE SIMILAR GRAPHS? 6007 04:30:02,203 --> 04:30:04,271 - I DON'T HAVE THOSE GRAPHS WITH ME TODAY, 6008 04:30:04,271 --> 04:30:05,973 I CAN GET THOSE DATA FOR YOU. 6009 04:30:05,973 --> 04:30:09,443 WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THOSE CHANGES LOOK LIKE 6010 04:30:09,443 --> 04:30:12,146 OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. 6011 04:30:12,146 --> 04:30:14,148 - AND HOW HAVE THEY CHANGED? 6012 04:30:14,148 --> 04:30:18,319 BUT ALSO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS MAINTAINING THAT RIGOR 6013 04:30:19,720 --> 04:30:21,589 IN THOSE STANDING STUDY SECTIONS 6014 04:30:21,589 --> 04:30:25,526 OR OTHER STUDY SECTIONS INCLUDING THOSE FACULTY? 6015 04:30:25,526 --> 04:30:27,094 - YEAH. - WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING 6016 04:30:27,094 --> 04:30:30,865 YOUR PROFESSOR AND ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR RATIO. 6017 04:30:30,865 --> 04:30:31,699 - YEAH. 6018 04:30:36,537 --> 04:30:40,107 YEAH, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE CHANGE? 6019 04:30:40,107 --> 04:30:41,809 WELL, WE MONITOR THEM. 6020 04:30:41,809 --> 04:30:44,678 WE'VE DEVELOPED A LOT OF TOOLS. 6021 04:30:44,678 --> 04:30:47,348 WE NOW HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION 6022 04:30:48,816 --> 04:30:51,552 THAT WE CAN LOOK AT VERY QUICKLY. 6023 04:30:52,520 --> 04:30:53,354 SO, 6024 04:30:55,489 --> 04:30:56,824 SO, FOR EXAMPLE, 6025 04:30:58,058 --> 04:31:02,630 I CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THE 400 WHATEVER MEETINGS 6026 04:31:02,630 --> 04:31:05,866 THAT ARE COMING UP FOR THIS SUMMER, 6027 04:31:05,866 --> 04:31:08,002 AND I CAN GO THROUGH THEM 6028 04:31:08,002 --> 04:31:10,438 AND I CAN SEE THE ONES 6029 04:31:10,438 --> 04:31:15,109 THAT ARE LOW IN REPRESENTATION ALONG CERTAIN DIMENSIONS. 6030 04:31:16,310 --> 04:31:20,548 AND THOSE ARE PROVIDED TO OUR REVIEW BRANCH CHIEFS, 6031 04:31:22,650 --> 04:31:25,052 AND THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THEY CAN LOOK AT THOSE 6032 04:31:25,052 --> 04:31:29,423 AND THAT THEY CAN ENCOURAGE SROS AND HELP SROS, 6033 04:31:29,423 --> 04:31:30,424 YOU KNOW, WHEN NECESSARY 6034 04:31:30,424 --> 04:31:33,561 TO TRY TO GET THOSE THINGS FIXED. 6035 04:31:33,561 --> 04:31:35,596 SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT, 6036 04:31:35,596 --> 04:31:37,398 IT NEEDS ONGOING ATTENTION. 6037 04:31:37,398 --> 04:31:39,800 ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT 6038 04:31:42,803 --> 04:31:46,140 IT REALLY IS MULTIDIMENSIONAL DIVERSITY. 6039 04:31:47,741 --> 04:31:51,512 AND, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MANY DEGREES OF FREEDOM, 6040 04:31:51,512 --> 04:31:54,548 YOU KNOW, IN A SMALL PANEL. 6041 04:31:54,548 --> 04:31:58,252 SO YOU DON'T SEE CHANGES ALWAYS GOING IN ONE DIRECTION 6042 04:31:58,252 --> 04:32:00,688 ALONG ONE OF THOSE DIMENSIONS. 6043 04:32:00,688 --> 04:32:01,522 BUT WE DO, 6044 04:32:03,023 --> 04:32:05,092 AS I SAY, WE DO MONITOR IT. 6045 04:32:05,092 --> 04:32:07,294 WE DO MAKE ONGOING EFFORTS 6046 04:32:07,294 --> 04:32:09,530 TO BRING NEW PEOPLE INTO THE PROCESS. 6047 04:32:09,530 --> 04:32:11,332 WE MAKE CONTINUING EFFORTS 6048 04:32:11,332 --> 04:32:13,400 TO GIVE SROS BETTER TOOLS 6049 04:32:15,302 --> 04:32:17,872 FOR IDENTIFYING NEW PEOPLE, 6050 04:32:17,872 --> 04:32:19,807 BRINGING IN NEW PEOPLE. 6051 04:32:21,075 --> 04:32:25,079 SO, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THOSE ONGOING EFFORTS. 6052 04:32:29,250 --> 04:32:31,485 YEAH, RIGHT IN THE BACK. 6053 04:32:31,485 --> 04:32:33,254 - [ESTELA] YES. 6054 04:32:33,254 --> 04:32:35,723 I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S CHANGING, 6055 04:32:35,723 --> 04:32:37,258 AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. 6056 04:32:37,258 --> 04:32:41,529 I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE EARLY-CAREER REVIEWER PROGRAM. 6057 04:32:41,529 --> 04:32:45,032 YOU MENTIONED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A GRANT. 6058 04:32:45,032 --> 04:32:47,101 THEY CAN BE EARLY CAREER, 6059 04:32:48,569 --> 04:32:49,803 IS THAT CORRECT? 6060 04:32:49,803 --> 04:32:53,574 - RIGHT, SO THE EARLY CAREER ACTUALLY CANNOT HAVE A GRANT. 6061 04:32:53,574 --> 04:32:54,842 - OKAY. - SO THESE ARE PEOPLE 6062 04:32:54,842 --> 04:32:57,845 IN HOPEFULLY A SHORT WINDOW OF TIME, 6063 04:33:00,180 --> 04:33:03,450 BUT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR FUNDING 6064 04:33:03,450 --> 04:33:06,086 AND THEY'VE GOTTEN A SUMMARY STATEMENT, 6065 04:33:06,086 --> 04:33:08,556 BUT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED. 6066 04:33:08,556 --> 04:33:10,424 AND SO AT THAT POINT, 6067 04:33:10,424 --> 04:33:12,726 WE INVITE THEM TO SERVE ON A REVIEW PANEL. 6068 04:33:12,726 --> 04:33:15,563 AND THE RATIONALE FOR THIS IS THAT 6069 04:33:16,564 --> 04:33:18,632 IF THEY'VE SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION, 6070 04:33:18,632 --> 04:33:20,501 THEY'VE GOTTEN THAT LEVEL OF FAMILIARITY 6071 04:33:20,501 --> 04:33:22,836 WITH THE REVIEW PROCESS, SO. 6072 04:33:25,105 --> 04:33:29,243 AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO BE PRESUMABLY A USEFUL TIME 6073 04:33:29,243 --> 04:33:30,411 FOR THEM TO LEARN MORE 6074 04:33:30,411 --> 04:33:33,213 ABOUT HOW REVIEW PANELS ACTUALLY WORK, 6075 04:33:33,213 --> 04:33:35,749 WHAT GOES ON IN THOSE STUDY SECTIONS. 6076 04:33:35,749 --> 04:33:38,519 AND SO THAT'S THE GROUP THAT'S TARGETED. 6077 04:33:38,519 --> 04:33:41,021 - OKAY, SO IT'S BY INVITATION. 6078 04:33:42,456 --> 04:33:45,159 - NO, WELL, (CHUCKLES) IT'S BOTH. 6079 04:33:45,159 --> 04:33:47,528 I MEAN, WE DO INVITE PEOPLE, 6080 04:33:47,528 --> 04:33:49,296 BUT PEOPLE CAN APPLY. 6081 04:33:50,564 --> 04:33:51,732 IF YOU GO TO OUR WEBSITE, 6082 04:33:51,732 --> 04:33:52,800 THERE'S A PAGE FOR- 6083 04:33:52,800 --> 04:33:54,234 - OH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, 6084 04:33:54,234 --> 04:33:55,669 YOU'RE DISSEMINATING THE PROGRAM. 6085 04:33:55,669 --> 04:33:57,304 - YEAH, YEAH, RIGHT, 6086 04:33:57,304 --> 04:33:59,406 THERE IS, YEAH, YEAH. 6087 04:33:59,406 --> 04:34:02,242 WE DO MAKE A LOT OF EFFORTS TO PUSH IT OUT, 6088 04:34:02,242 --> 04:34:04,178 AND IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE, 6089 04:34:04,178 --> 04:34:06,513 AND PEOPLE CAN APPLY DIRECTLY TO IT. 6090 04:34:06,513 --> 04:34:07,881 YOU DON'T NEED ANY PERMISSION 6091 04:34:07,881 --> 04:34:10,618 OR, YOU KNOW, INVITATION FROM US. 6092 04:34:11,652 --> 04:34:14,455 AND WE DO A MINIMAL LEVEL OF VETTING OF PEOPLE 6093 04:34:14,455 --> 04:34:17,992 JUST TO MAKE SURE THEY MEET BROAD REQUIREMENTS. 6094 04:34:17,992 --> 04:34:22,663 BUT YEAH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE PEOPLE APPLY. 6095 04:34:22,663 --> 04:34:24,832 - OKAY, THANK YOU. - YEAH, 6096 04:34:26,166 --> 04:34:27,301 - LET'S SEE, I THINK 6097 04:34:27,301 --> 04:34:28,369 IN THE GREEN THERE. - YES. 6098 04:34:28,369 --> 04:34:29,703 - THANK YOU, OMONIKE OLALEYE, 6099 04:34:29,703 --> 04:34:31,705 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION 6100 04:34:31,705 --> 04:34:35,676 AND ALL THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'RE LEADING WITH THIS CHANGE. 6101 04:34:35,676 --> 04:34:36,810 MY QUESTION IS, 6102 04:34:36,810 --> 04:34:37,845 I'M FROM TEXAS, 6103 04:34:37,845 --> 04:34:42,249 SO YOU KNOW HOW WE DO HAVE A LOT OF POLITICAL CHANGES, 6104 04:34:42,249 --> 04:34:43,550 LAWS BEING IN PLACE, 6105 04:34:43,550 --> 04:34:45,185 AND JUST NOT IN TEXAS, 6106 04:34:45,185 --> 04:34:46,854 SOME OTHER STATES AS WELL. 6107 04:34:46,854 --> 04:34:48,389 AND IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US 6108 04:34:48,389 --> 04:34:51,025 WHAT MAYBE THE NIH LEADERSHIP IS DOING 6109 04:34:51,025 --> 04:34:53,794 IN TERMS OF HOW TO WORK WITH INSTITUTIONS NAVIGATING THIS. 6110 04:34:53,794 --> 04:34:56,630 I KNOW RIGHT NOW MOST INSTITUTIONS ARE WORKING 6111 04:34:56,630 --> 04:34:58,198 WITH THEIR GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE, 6112 04:34:58,198 --> 04:35:01,035 BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE 6113 04:35:01,035 --> 04:35:02,336 OR ANY OF THE LEADERS HERE, 6114 04:35:02,336 --> 04:35:05,005 LIKE, WHAT EXACTLY IS NIH DOING? 6115 04:35:05,005 --> 04:35:07,875 BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG THREAT TO SOME OF THE MISSIONS 6116 04:35:07,875 --> 04:35:10,811 YOU ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN PURSUING FOR YEARS. 6117 04:35:10,811 --> 04:35:12,946 THE SECOND QUESTION IS, 6118 04:35:12,946 --> 04:35:13,947 HOW HAS THIS, 6119 04:35:13,947 --> 04:35:17,117 OR HAS THIS STARTED TO IMPACT YOUR REVIEW? 6120 04:35:17,117 --> 04:35:18,952 AND NOW DO WE NEED TO ADD SOME MORE 6121 04:35:18,952 --> 04:35:21,021 TO YOUR TRAINING FOR THOSE REVIEWERS? 6122 04:35:21,021 --> 04:35:22,222 BECAUSE JUST THINKING, 6123 04:35:22,222 --> 04:35:25,459 OH, IF THIS APPLICATION IS COMING FROM TEXAS, 6124 04:35:25,459 --> 04:35:27,561 THEY CAN'T GET THIS DONE BECAUSE OF THE NEW CHANGES, 6125 04:35:27,561 --> 04:35:29,563 SO HOW ARE WE EDUCATING REVIEWERS 6126 04:35:29,563 --> 04:35:32,332 TO KNOW ABOUT THE EXEMPTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT 6127 04:35:32,332 --> 04:35:35,002 SO THAT THEY DON'T BRING THAT BIAS INTO THE REVIEW? 6128 04:35:35,002 --> 04:35:38,772 - YEAH, LET ME START WITH THE SECOND QUESTION 6129 04:35:40,174 --> 04:35:43,644 BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS IT'S EASIER. 6130 04:35:43,644 --> 04:35:45,145 WE TELL REVIEWERS, 6131 04:35:46,013 --> 04:35:48,282 YOU'RE NOT LAWYERS. 6132 04:35:48,282 --> 04:35:50,651 DON'T MAKE JUDGEMENTS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT 6133 04:35:50,651 --> 04:35:52,753 THIS IS LEGALLY FEASIBLE. 6134 04:35:53,854 --> 04:35:55,355 ASSUME THAT IT IS, 6135 04:35:56,623 --> 04:36:00,160 ASSUME THAT THE APPLICANTS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS 6136 04:36:00,160 --> 04:36:01,762 AND HAVE IT WORKED OUT. 6137 04:36:01,762 --> 04:36:04,298 DON'T YOU BE DECIDING, YOU KNOW, 6138 04:36:04,298 --> 04:36:06,967 DON'T YOU TAKE THAT ON AND SAY, 6139 04:36:06,967 --> 04:36:07,868 OH, YOU KNOW, 6140 04:36:07,868 --> 04:36:09,136 LIKE YOU SAY, THAT'S IN TEXAS, 6141 04:36:09,136 --> 04:36:10,237 THEY CAN'T DO THAT. 6142 04:36:10,237 --> 04:36:11,638 WE VERY EXPLICITLY, 6143 04:36:11,638 --> 04:36:13,073 AND WE, YOU KNOW, 6144 04:36:13,907 --> 04:36:15,342 THAT COMES UP FROM TIME TO TIME, 6145 04:36:15,342 --> 04:36:18,178 AND WE HAVE TO EXPLICITLY TELL COMMITTEES, 6146 04:36:18,178 --> 04:36:19,413 "NO, THAT'S OUT OF BOUNDS, 6147 04:36:19,413 --> 04:36:22,282 JUST YOU FOCUS ON THE SCIENTIFIC MERIT, 6148 04:36:22,282 --> 04:36:24,485 YOU DON'T MAKE THOSE KIND OF JUDGEMENTS ABOUT THAT, 6149 04:36:24,485 --> 04:36:25,486 JUST DON'T." 6150 04:36:27,588 --> 04:36:29,523 SO THE BROADER QUESTION 6151 04:36:31,925 --> 04:36:36,830 ABOUT HOW THE NIH IS RESPONDING TO THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS, 6152 04:36:37,865 --> 04:36:40,601 I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE BEST PERSON (CHUCKLES) 6153 04:36:40,601 --> 04:36:43,437 TO ADDRESS THOSE KIND OF ISSUES. 6154 04:36:43,437 --> 04:36:45,339 IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING 6155 04:36:47,341 --> 04:36:51,712 AND OBVIOUSLY RAISES CONCERN FOR ALL OF US. 6156 04:36:51,712 --> 04:36:54,715 WE DON'T WANNA BE REINED IN, 6157 04:36:54,715 --> 04:36:57,284 WE DON'T WANT ANY OF OUR APPLICANTS TO BE REINED IN 6158 04:36:57,284 --> 04:36:59,453 BY THOSE KIND OF CONCERNS. 6159 04:37:03,724 --> 04:37:04,625 QUESTION HERE, YEAH. 6160 04:37:04,625 --> 04:37:09,029 - YEAH, PAUL MURPHY, UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY. 6161 04:37:09,029 --> 04:37:10,531 I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ASK THIS, 6162 04:37:10,531 --> 04:37:14,334 AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE EASY WAY IS TO KEEP IT SHORT. 6163 04:37:14,334 --> 04:37:16,570 SO, WHAT I'M REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT 6164 04:37:16,570 --> 04:37:18,605 IS THERE'S THIS PILOT PROGRAM THAT THEY'RE RUNNING 6165 04:37:18,605 --> 04:37:21,775 FOR THE TRANSFORMATIVE RESEARCH GRANTS, 6166 04:37:21,775 --> 04:37:24,278 WHERE THEY'RE SEPARATING THE REVIEW 6167 04:37:24,278 --> 04:37:26,680 OF THE INVESTIGATOR IN THE INSTITUTION 6168 04:37:26,680 --> 04:37:29,817 FROM THE REVIEW OF THE BODY OF THE GRANT ITSELF. 6169 04:37:29,817 --> 04:37:31,185 ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO EXTEND THAT 6170 04:37:31,185 --> 04:37:34,021 TO OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS AS A PILOT TO SEE IF IT'S EFFECTIVE? 6171 04:37:34,021 --> 04:37:39,026 'CAUSE THE TRANSFORMATIVE ONE IS QUITE UNUSUAL AND SMALL. 6172 04:37:39,459 --> 04:37:41,662 - SO, SO YOU'RE COMPLETELY RIGHT, 6173 04:37:41,662 --> 04:37:42,496 AND JUST, 6174 04:37:46,266 --> 04:37:50,237 I'M GONNA MAKE YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT LONGER. (CHUCKLES) 6175 04:37:50,237 --> 04:37:51,271 - [PAUL] WELL, I COULD'VE ASKED- 6176 04:37:51,271 --> 04:37:52,272 - YEAH, I KNOW YOU COULD'VE, 6177 04:37:52,272 --> 04:37:56,276 BUT (CHUCKLES) JUST IN THE INTEREST MAYBE 6178 04:37:56,276 --> 04:37:59,780 OF MAKING SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT'S ABOUT, 6179 04:37:59,780 --> 04:38:01,181 SO, YOU KNOW, 6180 04:38:01,181 --> 04:38:04,551 SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE GET SOMETIMES IS, 6181 04:38:04,551 --> 04:38:05,953 WHY DON'T YOU DO BLINDED REVIEW? 6182 04:38:05,953 --> 04:38:08,255 YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU BLIND REVIEWERS 6183 04:38:08,255 --> 04:38:11,258 TO THE INSTITUTION AND INVESTIGATOR? 6184 04:38:12,259 --> 04:38:14,061 AND THE SHORT ANSWER TO THAT IS, 6185 04:38:14,061 --> 04:38:16,129 WELL, WE CAN'T BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ILLEGAL, 6186 04:38:16,129 --> 04:38:18,165 BECAUSE UNDER FEDERAL LAW, 6187 04:38:18,165 --> 04:38:20,467 WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE INVESTIGATOR 6188 04:38:20,467 --> 04:38:24,805 AND THE ENVIRONMENT IN JUDGING SCIENTIFIC MERIT. 6189 04:38:24,805 --> 04:38:26,707 SO ONE APPROACH TO THAT 6190 04:38:28,375 --> 04:38:30,811 IS TO CONSIDER PARTIALLY BLINDED REVIEW, 6191 04:38:30,811 --> 04:38:32,212 AND, AS YOU SAY, 6192 04:38:32,212 --> 04:38:33,413 THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF EFFORTS 6193 04:38:33,413 --> 04:38:35,082 TO DO THIS ON A PILOT BASIS 6194 04:38:35,082 --> 04:38:37,551 WHERE ESSENTIALLY JUDGEMENTS 6195 04:38:37,551 --> 04:38:40,954 ABOUT THE OTHER CRITERIA ARE MADE 6196 04:38:40,954 --> 04:38:43,257 WHILE THE GROUPS ARE BLINDED 6197 04:38:43,257 --> 04:38:46,326 TO THE INVESTIGATOR AND THE INSTITUTION. 6198 04:38:46,326 --> 04:38:48,762 AND THEN AT THE VERY LAST STAGE, 6199 04:38:48,762 --> 04:38:51,031 THEY GET THAT INFORMATION. 6200 04:38:51,031 --> 04:38:54,434 SO THE TRANSFORMATIVE AWARDS ARE ONE PLACE 6201 04:38:54,434 --> 04:38:55,903 THAT THAT'S BEEN DONE. 6202 04:38:55,903 --> 04:38:59,706 THEY'VE RUN THIS FOR THREE YEARS NOW. 6203 04:38:59,706 --> 04:39:04,344 THEY'RE JUST WRAPPING UP AN EVALUATION OF THAT. 6204 04:39:04,344 --> 04:39:06,480 I HAVEN'T SEEN THE RESULTS YET. 6205 04:39:06,480 --> 04:39:08,048 AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, 6206 04:39:08,048 --> 04:39:09,316 I THINK THE LEVEL OF INTEREST 6207 04:39:09,316 --> 04:39:11,251 IN EXPANDING IT'S GONNA DEPEND PARTLY 6208 04:39:11,251 --> 04:39:14,087 ON WHAT WE SEE IN THAT EVALUATION. 6209 04:39:15,956 --> 04:39:18,725 - [DORIT] OKAY, WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE QUESTION. 6210 04:39:18,725 --> 04:39:20,260 - [PAUL] SO, WITH ALL THESE CHANGES, 6211 04:39:20,260 --> 04:39:23,230 HOW WELL HAVE THEY BEEN RECEIVED 6212 04:39:23,230 --> 04:39:28,368 BY THOSE INSTITUTIONS THAT GET BUCKETS OF NIH MONEY? 6213 04:39:28,368 --> 04:39:31,138 (BRUCE CHUCKLES) 6214 04:39:36,009 --> 04:39:38,011 - WELL, I WILL SAY THAT, 6215 04:39:40,147 --> 04:39:44,318 SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIMPLIFIED REVIEW FRAMEWORK, 6216 04:39:46,753 --> 04:39:48,789 IT CHANGES THINGS SO THAT, 6217 04:39:48,789 --> 04:39:53,026 SO WE ASK REVIEWERS TO SCORE THREE FACTORS. 6218 04:39:53,026 --> 04:39:54,428 ONE IS IMPORTANCE OF THE SCIENCE, 6219 04:39:54,428 --> 04:39:56,196 THE SECOND IS THE RIGOR AND FEASIBILITY, 6220 04:39:56,196 --> 04:39:59,066 AND THE THIRD IS THE INVESTIGATOR, 6221 04:39:59,066 --> 04:40:02,102 AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S SCORED ON THE, 6222 04:40:02,102 --> 04:40:04,905 YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE OR NOT. 6223 04:40:04,905 --> 04:40:06,740 WE GET A FAIR NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, 6224 04:40:06,740 --> 04:40:08,875 OR, SHOULD I SAY, 6225 04:40:08,875 --> 04:40:10,410 QUESTIONING THE WISDOM OF THAT 6226 04:40:10,410 --> 04:40:12,913 FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE GENERALLY, 6227 04:40:15,849 --> 04:40:18,652 YOU KNOW, HIGHLY ESTABLISHED AND SENIOR, 6228 04:40:18,652 --> 04:40:20,921 WHO THINK THAT THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING 6229 04:40:20,921 --> 04:40:24,024 THAT WE OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERING. 6230 04:40:24,024 --> 04:40:25,959 SO WE DO HEAR ABOUT IT, 6231 04:40:27,427 --> 04:40:31,064 BUT THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE GONNA DO IT. 6232 04:40:31,064 --> 04:40:35,035 - THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BRUCE. (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 6233 04:40:40,941 --> 04:40:43,744 OKAY, SO WE'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE END OF THE DAY, 6234 04:40:43,744 --> 04:40:45,479 IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. 6235 04:40:46,947 --> 04:40:48,982 YOU'VE FIGURED OUT HOW TO APPLY FOR AWARDS, 6236 04:40:48,982 --> 04:40:51,284 YOU'VE FIGURED OUT ACTUALLY HOW TO GET SOME AWARDS, 6237 04:40:51,284 --> 04:40:52,986 BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO MANAGE THEM. 6238 04:40:52,986 --> 04:40:55,455 AND FOR THAT, WE'RE BRINGING THE EXPERT AT NIH 6239 04:40:55,455 --> 04:40:58,225 TO TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE AWARDS. 6240 04:40:58,225 --> 04:41:00,894 AND I'M HANDING THIS OVER TO MICHELLE BULLS, 6241 04:41:00,894 --> 04:41:01,928 THE DIRECTOR OF THE, 6242 04:41:01,928 --> 04:41:03,330 AND I'M GONNA GET THIS WRONG, 6243 04:41:03,330 --> 04:41:07,367 OFFICE OF POLICY FOR EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH ADMINISTRATION. 6244 04:41:07,367 --> 04:41:08,635 - [MICHELLE] YAY! 6245 04:41:08,635 --> 04:41:10,337 - OH, I GOT IT RIGHT. 6246 04:41:10,337 --> 04:41:14,841 TO TELL US ALL ABOUT HOW TO OPTIMIZE AWARD MANAGEMENT. 6247 04:41:23,984 --> 04:41:26,186 - HELLO, EVERYONE. 6248 04:41:26,186 --> 04:41:29,656 I HOPE YOU ALL ARE ENJOYING THE PRESENTATIONS, 6249 04:41:29,656 --> 04:41:31,425 LEARNING LOTS. 6250 04:41:31,425 --> 04:41:35,729 I'M GONNA STEAL A PAGE FROM BRUCE'S PRESENTATION, 6251 04:41:35,729 --> 04:41:37,197 HIS INTRODUCTORY, BY SAYING, 6252 04:41:37,197 --> 04:41:38,965 I DO NOT COME 6253 04:41:38,965 --> 04:41:43,537 TO GIVE YOU PLAIN JANE THINGS THAT YOU ALREADY KNOW. 6254 04:41:43,537 --> 04:41:45,372 SO I'M GONNA KINDA SPICE IT UP A LITTLE BIT, 6255 04:41:45,372 --> 04:41:46,306 JUST A LITTLE BIT, 6256 04:41:46,306 --> 04:41:50,911 SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN TAKE AWAY SOME REALLY CRITICAL AREAS 6257 04:41:50,911 --> 04:41:52,913 WITHIN THE PRESENTATION. 6258 04:41:55,582 --> 04:41:59,252 AND SO WHAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IS THE FUNDING. 6259 04:42:02,756 --> 04:42:04,157 SO, IS THIS MINE? 6260 04:42:06,726 --> 04:42:08,528 (CHUCKLES) WHAT? 6261 04:42:08,528 --> 04:42:09,729 WAIT. 6262 04:42:09,729 --> 04:42:11,465 OKAY. ALL RIGHT, YES. 6263 04:42:11,465 --> 04:42:13,233 ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT 6264 04:42:13,233 --> 04:42:14,568 IS HOW THE FUND, 6265 04:42:15,735 --> 04:42:18,638 HOW DOES NIH FUND RESEARCH? 6266 04:42:18,638 --> 04:42:21,475 AND WE HAVE THE GRANTS, OF COURSE, 6267 04:42:22,709 --> 04:42:23,677 YOU KNOW THAT, 6268 04:42:23,677 --> 04:42:26,680 YOU KNOW COOPERATIVE AGREEMENTS, CONTRACTS, 6269 04:42:26,680 --> 04:42:29,015 AND WE'VE INTRODUCED ANOTHER MECHANISM, 6270 04:42:29,015 --> 04:42:31,618 WHICH ARE YOUR OTHER TRANSACTIONS. 6271 04:42:31,618 --> 04:42:33,920 I'M NOT GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY, 6272 04:42:33,920 --> 04:42:35,422 BUT I HOPE I CAN GET YOU TO COME BACK 6273 04:42:35,422 --> 04:42:37,290 AND HEAR ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT. 6274 04:42:37,290 --> 04:42:40,827 SO FOR THE FUNDING INSTRUMENT TYPES, 6275 04:42:40,827 --> 04:42:43,396 GRANTS ARE GRANT IN AID. 6276 04:42:43,396 --> 04:42:45,098 AND SO, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 6277 04:42:45,098 --> 04:42:46,466 THAT MEANS THAT WE ARE PARTNERING 6278 04:42:46,466 --> 04:42:49,035 WITH OUR RESEARCH RECIPIENTS 6279 04:42:49,035 --> 04:42:52,205 TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO SUPPORT RESEARCH 6280 04:42:54,207 --> 04:42:56,109 AND PRIORITIES. 6281 04:42:56,109 --> 04:42:58,311 AND SO A GRANT IN AID MEANS 6282 04:42:58,311 --> 04:43:00,147 THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPAY THE MONEY, 6283 04:43:00,147 --> 04:43:02,182 'CAUSE IT'S NOT A LOAN. 6284 04:43:02,182 --> 04:43:04,684 BUT WE DO EXPECT FOR YOU 6285 04:43:04,684 --> 04:43:07,287 TO PROVIDE US WITH STEWARDSHIP, 6286 04:43:08,321 --> 04:43:09,856 ACCOUNTABILITY, 6287 04:43:09,856 --> 04:43:11,625 AND OUTLINE FOR US 6288 04:43:11,625 --> 04:43:14,861 FROM YOUR RESEARCH PERFORMANCE PROGRESS REPORTS 6289 04:43:14,861 --> 04:43:17,097 HOW YOU'RE MANAGING YOUR PROJECT. 6290 04:43:17,097 --> 04:43:19,633 AND THEN, ONCE YOU IDENTIFY 6291 04:43:19,633 --> 04:43:21,868 HOW YOU'RE SCIENTIFICALLY COMING ALONG, 6292 04:43:21,868 --> 04:43:24,704 THEN WE WANNA HEAR ABOUT HOW YOU'RE MANAGING THE FUNDS, 6293 04:43:24,704 --> 04:43:26,373 BECAUSE THEY GO HAND IN HAND. 6294 04:43:26,373 --> 04:43:29,376 AND SO YOU SUBMIT YOUR FEDERAL FINANCIAL REPORT. 6295 04:43:29,376 --> 04:43:32,712 AND SO THAT'S JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU GUYS 6296 04:43:32,712 --> 04:43:36,216 TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHILE WE PROVIDE GRANTS, 6297 04:43:37,284 --> 04:43:38,385 THEY ARE A GRANT IN AID, 6298 04:43:38,385 --> 04:43:40,887 AND WE DO NOT, YOU KNOW, EXPECT ANYTHING. 6299 04:43:40,887 --> 04:43:42,255 IT'S NOT A GIFT, IT'S NOT A LOAN, 6300 04:43:42,255 --> 04:43:45,292 BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXPECTATION 6301 04:43:45,292 --> 04:43:49,796 THAT YOU ALL GIVE US A PROGRESS REPORT AND FINANCIALS. 6302 04:43:51,898 --> 04:43:54,801 A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT IS A GRANT, 6303 04:43:55,902 --> 04:44:00,006 BUT THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL PROGRAMMATIC INVOLVEMENT. 6304 04:44:00,006 --> 04:44:02,142 AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? 6305 04:44:02,142 --> 04:44:05,845 THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE RESPONSIBILITIES 6306 04:44:05,845 --> 04:44:08,281 ON BEHALF OF THE NIH STAFF. 6307 04:44:08,281 --> 04:44:09,849 YOU HAVE YOUR PROJECT COORDINATOR 6308 04:44:09,849 --> 04:44:11,151 OR YOUR PROJECT SCIENTIST, 6309 04:44:11,151 --> 04:44:14,454 WHO KINDA MANAGES THE STEERING COMMITTEE 6310 04:44:14,454 --> 04:44:15,522 AND THAT KINDA THING. 6311 04:44:15,522 --> 04:44:17,257 YOU HAVE YOUR PROGRAM OFFICIAL, 6312 04:44:17,257 --> 04:44:20,894 WHO INTERACTS WITH THE PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR 6313 04:44:20,894 --> 04:44:24,898 AND OVERSEES THE SCIENTIFIC ASPECT OF THE PROJECT. 6314 04:44:24,898 --> 04:44:26,499 AND THEN YOU HAVE STEERING COMMITTEES 6315 04:44:26,499 --> 04:44:28,468 AND OTHER SUCH LIKE THINGS. 6316 04:44:28,468 --> 04:44:30,737 AND SO ICS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY 6317 04:44:30,737 --> 04:44:35,442 TO REALLY IDENTIFY AND LAY OUT IN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS 6318 04:44:35,442 --> 04:44:37,844 AND IN THE NOTICES OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY 6319 04:44:37,844 --> 04:44:39,879 WHAT THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES LOOK LIKE, 6320 04:44:39,879 --> 04:44:42,382 WHAT THOSE EXPECTATIONS ARE. 6321 04:44:42,382 --> 04:44:47,287 AND THEY HIGHLIGHT THE JOINT RESPONSIBILITIES AS WELL, 6322 04:44:47,287 --> 04:44:49,856 SO YOU DON'T JUST GET TO SEE WHAT WE EXPECT 6323 04:44:49,856 --> 04:44:51,157 OR WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING 6324 04:44:51,157 --> 04:44:54,794 AS HAVING THAT SUBSTANTIAL PROGRAMMATIC INVOLVEMENT. 6325 04:44:54,794 --> 04:44:59,833 YOU'LL ALSO SEE WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THE RECIPIENT COMMUNITY. 6326 04:44:59,833 --> 04:45:02,902 AND TYPICALLY WHEN YOU LOOK IN OUR NOFOS, 6327 04:45:02,902 --> 04:45:06,306 THEY ARE WHAT WE CALL OUR U MECHANISMS. 6328 04:45:06,306 --> 04:45:10,510 SO THAT'S THE COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT MECHANISM 6329 04:45:10,510 --> 04:45:11,745 IS THE U AWARD. 6330 04:45:14,114 --> 04:45:16,216 AND THEN A CONTRACT, OF COURSE, 6331 04:45:16,216 --> 04:45:18,318 IS A DIRECT BENEFIT 6332 04:45:18,318 --> 04:45:21,254 TO THE GOVERNMENT PURCHASING SERVICES AND GOODS, 6333 04:45:21,254 --> 04:45:23,356 AND WE BENEFIT FROM THAT. 6334 04:45:27,093 --> 04:45:29,696 SO THE AWARD HAS BEEN MADE, 6335 04:45:29,696 --> 04:45:30,697 WHAT'S NEXT? 6336 04:45:32,966 --> 04:45:35,068 SO, A LOT OF TIMES, 6337 04:45:35,068 --> 04:45:38,805 WE ALWAYS HEAR IN OUR GRANTS POLICY INBOX, 6338 04:45:38,805 --> 04:45:42,375 WE HEAR FROM OUR PROGRAM OFFICIALS, SAYING, 6339 04:45:43,677 --> 04:45:47,714 THE PI WANTS TO KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET THEIR AWARD. 6340 04:45:47,714 --> 04:45:48,548 THIS IS THEIR AWARD, 6341 04:45:48,548 --> 04:45:50,950 AND THEY WANNA KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET IT. 6342 04:45:50,950 --> 04:45:54,754 AND WE OFTENTIMES HAVE TO REMIND FOLKS 6343 04:45:54,754 --> 04:45:59,326 THAT NIH IS IN A LEGAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE RECIPIENT, 6344 04:46:00,560 --> 04:46:02,862 NOT WITH THE PRINCIPAL INVESTIGATOR. 6345 04:46:02,862 --> 04:46:06,032 SO THE AWARDS ARE MADE TO THE RECIPIENT 6346 04:46:06,032 --> 04:46:07,534 AND NOT TO THE PI. 6347 04:46:08,768 --> 04:46:11,905 THE AUTHORIZED ORGANIZATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE 6348 04:46:11,905 --> 04:46:14,974 IS THE DESIGNATED CONTACT PERSON 6349 04:46:14,974 --> 04:46:17,110 OR PEOPLE FOR NIH. 6350 04:46:17,110 --> 04:46:21,681 SO TYPICALLY WHEN THERE ARE PRIOR APPROVAL REQUESTS, 6351 04:46:21,681 --> 04:46:23,683 THERE ARE CARRYOVER REQUESTS 6352 04:46:23,683 --> 04:46:25,418 AND DIFFERENT KINDS OF ACTIVITIES 6353 04:46:25,418 --> 04:46:30,457 THAT GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE RECIPIENT AND NIH, 6354 04:46:30,457 --> 04:46:32,625 THE POINT OF CONTACT REALLY SHOULD BE 6355 04:46:32,625 --> 04:46:36,596 THE AUTHORIZED ORGANIZATIONAL REPRESENTATIVE. 6356 04:46:36,596 --> 04:46:38,998 AND TYPICALLY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TRY TO DO 6357 04:46:38,998 --> 04:46:41,267 IS SAY THAT THIS IS YOUR BUSINESS OFFICIAL. 6358 04:46:41,267 --> 04:46:42,102 AND SO, 6359 04:46:43,670 --> 04:46:45,739 MOST OFTEN WE WANNA MAKE SURE 6360 04:46:45,739 --> 04:46:47,307 THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE RULES, 6361 04:46:47,307 --> 04:46:48,575 THE REGULATIONS, 6362 04:46:48,575 --> 04:46:51,778 AND THE NIH GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT. 6363 04:46:51,778 --> 04:46:53,380 WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE 6364 04:46:53,380 --> 04:46:57,050 THAT THERE'S PROPER CONDUCT UNDER THE AWARD, 6365 04:46:59,018 --> 04:47:01,154 BECAUSE THE PI, OF COURSE, 6366 04:47:01,154 --> 04:47:04,257 SHOULD NOT BE DIRECTLY INTERACTING 6367 04:47:04,257 --> 04:47:06,793 AND MAKING FISCAL DECISIONS. 6368 04:47:06,793 --> 04:47:08,695 THEY HAVE THAT SCIENTIFIC OVERSIGHT, 6369 04:47:08,695 --> 04:47:10,196 AND THAT'S KIND OF THE AREA 6370 04:47:10,196 --> 04:47:13,600 WHERE WE WANT TO KEEP THEM IN THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT 6371 04:47:13,600 --> 04:47:14,834 OF THE PROJECT. 6372 04:47:18,338 --> 04:47:19,172 AND SO, 6373 04:47:20,073 --> 04:47:22,509 DIRECT COSTS ARE COSTS 6374 04:47:22,509 --> 04:47:24,944 THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY CHARGED 6375 04:47:26,246 --> 04:47:28,915 AND BENEFIT THE PROJECTS, 6376 04:47:28,915 --> 04:47:29,749 BACK UP. 6377 04:47:29,749 --> 04:47:32,719 THE DIRECT COSTS ARE COSTS THAT ARE CHARGED DIRECTLY 6378 04:47:32,719 --> 04:47:34,754 TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 6379 04:47:34,754 --> 04:47:37,724 AND THEN IT'S DIRECTLY ASSIGNED 6380 04:47:37,724 --> 04:47:39,459 TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. 6381 04:47:39,459 --> 04:47:41,528 AND IT HAS A HIGH DEGREE OF ACCURACY 6382 04:47:41,528 --> 04:47:43,997 THAT THERE IS NOT ANYTHING IN THAT COST 6383 04:47:43,997 --> 04:47:47,434 THAT WOULD NOT BE READILY ASSIGNED TO THAT PROJECT. 6384 04:47:47,434 --> 04:47:49,269 AND SO WE TALK ABOUT SALARIES, 6385 04:47:49,269 --> 04:47:51,604 TRAVEL, EQUIPMENT, 6386 04:47:51,604 --> 04:47:54,207 AND SUPPLIES THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, 6387 04:47:54,207 --> 04:47:56,643 BECAUSE WE WILL FIND ON THE OTHER SLIDE 6388 04:47:56,643 --> 04:48:00,079 THAT THERE ARE COSTS THAT ARE IN THE SUPPLY CATEGORY 6389 04:48:00,079 --> 04:48:04,317 THAT COULD BE ASSIGNED TO AN INDIRECT COST, RIGHT? 6390 04:48:04,317 --> 04:48:08,888 AND SO CHARGING THE GRANT WITH INDIRECT COSTS, 6391 04:48:08,888 --> 04:48:10,757 THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR FACILITIES 6392 04:48:10,757 --> 04:48:12,358 AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. 6393 04:48:12,358 --> 04:48:14,461 AND SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FACT 6394 04:48:14,461 --> 04:48:19,299 THAT IT'S LIKE YOUR LIGHTS AND YOUR TELEPHONE AND MAILING 6395 04:48:19,299 --> 04:48:22,669 AND THAT KINDA THING, YOUR UTILITIES. 6396 04:48:22,669 --> 04:48:25,505 AND YOU CAN CHARGE OFFICE SUPPLIES 6397 04:48:28,241 --> 04:48:32,111 TO THE GRANT INDIRECTLY AND BE REIMBURSED. 6398 04:48:32,111 --> 04:48:35,615 SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE OFTEN GET IS, 6399 04:48:37,217 --> 04:48:41,454 "NIH IS NOT GIVING US THE RIGHT INDIRECT COST RATE. 6400 04:48:42,322 --> 04:48:44,290 OUR COSTS ARE NOT RIGHT. 6401 04:48:44,290 --> 04:48:46,726 AND WE HAVE APPLIED FOR AN INDIRECT COST, 6402 04:48:46,726 --> 04:48:50,930 AND WE JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE RATE IS ACCURATE." 6403 04:48:50,930 --> 04:48:51,831 WELL, GUESS WHAT? 6404 04:48:51,831 --> 04:48:56,135 NIH DOES NOT REVIEW NOR APPROVE YOUR INDIRECT COSTS. 6405 04:48:57,804 --> 04:49:01,641 THAT COMES FROM THE DIVISION OF COST ALLOCATION AT HHS, 6406 04:49:01,641 --> 04:49:04,477 WHO HAVE EXPERTS THAT ARE ASSIGNED 6407 04:49:04,477 --> 04:49:07,146 TO REVIEW COST ALLOCATION PLANS. 6408 04:49:08,915 --> 04:49:11,317 NIH IS REQUIRED, THOUGH, 6409 04:49:11,317 --> 04:49:15,088 THAT ONCE THOSE RATES ARE ESTABLISHED, 6410 04:49:15,088 --> 04:49:17,257 WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THEM, 6411 04:49:17,257 --> 04:49:20,393 AND THAT'S A PART OF OUR REGULATIONS. 6412 04:49:20,393 --> 04:49:22,829 AND SO FOR THOSE RATES, 6413 04:49:22,829 --> 04:49:27,834 FOR THOSE RECIPIENTS THAT DON'T HAVE A INDIRECT COST RATE, 6414 04:49:28,334 --> 04:49:32,639 WE TYPICALLY ALLOW THEM TO USE A DE MINIMIS RATE, 6415 04:49:32,639 --> 04:49:35,241 AND THAT WAS AT ONE POINT 10%, 6416 04:49:35,241 --> 04:49:36,643 BUT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 6417 04:49:36,643 --> 04:49:38,978 IT WILL BECOME 15%. 6418 04:49:38,978 --> 04:49:41,748 AND THEN WE HAVE OUR TRAINING GRANTS 6419 04:49:41,748 --> 04:49:44,083 THAT ARE CHARGED AT 8%. 6420 04:49:44,083 --> 04:49:46,686 AND WE HAVE OUR FOREIGN INSTITUTIONS 6421 04:49:46,686 --> 04:49:50,123 THAT CHARGE 8% MODIFIED TOTAL DIRECT COSTS 6422 04:49:50,123 --> 04:49:52,525 FOR THE COST OF COMPLIANCE. 6423 04:49:52,525 --> 04:49:54,227 AND WE'VE OFTEN BEEN ASKED, YOU KNOW, 6424 04:49:54,227 --> 04:49:58,932 WILL NIH BE INCREASING THE, YOU KNOW, TRAINING GRANTS 6425 04:49:58,932 --> 04:50:02,669 AND THE FOREIGN GRANT RATE TO THE DE MINIMIS, 6426 04:50:03,703 --> 04:50:05,338 AND AT THIS TIME, 6427 04:50:05,338 --> 04:50:06,839 WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DOING THAT. 6428 04:50:06,839 --> 04:50:09,409 THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS HANDLED TYPICALLY 6429 04:50:09,409 --> 04:50:12,979 AT THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET, OMB LEVEL. 6430 04:50:12,979 --> 04:50:14,847 AND WHAT WE ARE GONNA TRY TO DO 6431 04:50:14,847 --> 04:50:17,750 IS TRY TO WORK WITH THEM OVER TIME 6432 04:50:17,750 --> 04:50:19,719 TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SOME WIGGLE ROOM 6433 04:50:19,719 --> 04:50:22,088 FOR TRAINING GRANTS. 6434 04:50:22,088 --> 04:50:26,693 AND THE FOREIGN GRANTS WILL LIKELY STAY AT THE 8%, 6435 04:50:26,693 --> 04:50:27,961 BUT THIS IS ON THE TABLE, 6436 04:50:27,961 --> 04:50:29,963 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. 6437 04:50:32,498 --> 04:50:35,168 SO, WHAT MAKES A COST ALLOWABLE? 6438 04:50:37,003 --> 04:50:38,805 FIRST OFF, EVERYBODY SAYS, 6439 04:50:38,805 --> 04:50:43,142 "WELL, I LOOKED IN THE COST PRINCIPLES IN 2 CFR 200, 6440 04:50:44,444 --> 04:50:48,114 AND I DON'T SEE THE PARTICULAR COST THAT I'M LOOKING FOR." 6441 04:50:48,114 --> 04:50:51,818 I OFTEN ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO PAY ATTENTION 6442 04:50:51,818 --> 04:50:54,821 TO YOUR NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY ANNOUNCEMENT. 6443 04:50:54,821 --> 04:50:56,322 AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE 6444 04:50:56,322 --> 04:50:59,092 NOT EVERY COST IS GOING TO BE OUTLINED 6445 04:50:59,092 --> 04:51:00,760 IN THOSE COST PRINCIPLES. 6446 04:51:00,760 --> 04:51:03,262 AND THERE ARE COSTS THAT CAN BE CHARGED, 6447 04:51:03,262 --> 04:51:05,031 ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S, 6448 04:51:06,199 --> 04:51:08,935 YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE RESEARCH, 6449 04:51:08,935 --> 04:51:13,072 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ALLOW FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF COSTS. 6450 04:51:13,072 --> 04:51:15,308 AND THERE MAY BE COSTS IN THE COST PRINCIPLES 6451 04:51:15,308 --> 04:51:19,012 THAT ARE NOT ALLOWABLE BY THE COST PRINCIPLES 6452 04:51:19,012 --> 04:51:22,315 BUT MAY BE ALLOWABLE IN THE NOFO. 6453 04:51:22,315 --> 04:51:26,686 AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT PROJECT IS BASED ON 6454 04:51:26,686 --> 04:51:28,755 AND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE. 6455 04:51:29,889 --> 04:51:32,825 THE MAIN THING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER 6456 04:51:32,825 --> 04:51:35,328 IS THAT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THE FOUR TESTS 6457 04:51:35,328 --> 04:51:37,530 TO DETERMINE ALLOWABILITY. 6458 04:51:37,530 --> 04:51:39,699 IS THE COST REASONABLE? 6459 04:51:39,699 --> 04:51:41,768 I MEAN, ARE YOU OVERCHARGING, UNDERCHARGING 6460 04:51:41,768 --> 04:51:43,770 FOR SPECIFIC COSTS? 6461 04:51:43,770 --> 04:51:44,604 IS IT ALLOCABLE? 6462 04:51:44,604 --> 04:51:47,674 CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, ASSIGN IT TO A COST CATEGORY 6463 04:51:47,674 --> 04:51:50,243 TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT? 6464 04:51:50,243 --> 04:51:52,278 ARE YOU CONSISTENTLY APPLYING THE COST 6465 04:51:52,278 --> 04:51:53,880 REGARDLESS OF THE SOURCE OF FUNDS? 6466 04:51:53,880 --> 04:51:56,115 IF YOU WERE GETTING A GRANT FROM NSF, 6467 04:51:56,115 --> 04:51:59,152 CHARGING A CERTAIN COST FOR SALARIES, 6468 04:51:59,152 --> 04:52:01,821 WOULD YOU CHARGE NIH THE SAME THING? 6469 04:52:01,821 --> 04:52:03,222 CONSISTENCY. 6470 04:52:03,222 --> 04:52:06,993 AND DOES IT CONFORM TO THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS 6471 04:52:06,993 --> 04:52:09,996 OF THE AWARD AND TO THE NIH GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT, 6472 04:52:09,996 --> 04:52:14,934 WHICH IS THE STANDARD TERM AND CONDITION OF THE AWARD? 6473 04:52:14,934 --> 04:52:17,770 THE MAIN THING THAT I THINK WE WALK AWAY WITH THIS SLIDE 6474 04:52:17,770 --> 04:52:19,272 IS TO REMIND FOLKS 6475 04:52:21,340 --> 04:52:24,444 THAT IT IS THE RECIPIENT'S RESPONSIBILITY 6476 04:52:24,444 --> 04:52:27,947 TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE COSTS ARE TREATED 6477 04:52:27,947 --> 04:52:32,185 USING THE FOUR TESTS TO DETERMINE THE ALLOWABILITY. 6478 04:52:33,986 --> 04:52:36,689 IF NIH IDENTIFIES NON-COMPLIANCE, 6479 04:52:36,689 --> 04:52:40,827 OF COURSE WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE TOWARD REMEDIES 6480 04:52:40,827 --> 04:52:42,261 FOR NON-COMPLIANCE 6481 04:52:42,261 --> 04:52:45,331 AS WELL AS MAYBE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS, 6482 04:52:45,331 --> 04:52:47,266 BUT WE DON'T WANNA EVER GET TO THAT POINT. 6483 04:52:47,266 --> 04:52:49,202 WE WANNA BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU 6484 04:52:49,202 --> 04:52:50,903 AND TO WORK WITH THE INSTITUTIONS 6485 04:52:50,903 --> 04:52:54,340 TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE COSTS ARE 6486 04:52:54,340 --> 04:52:55,942 AND WHETHER THEY MEET THE FOUR TESTS. 6487 04:52:55,942 --> 04:52:57,977 AND IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION, 6488 04:52:57,977 --> 04:53:00,947 ALWAYS REACH OUT TO YOUR GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICIAL, 6489 04:53:00,947 --> 04:53:02,048 WHO WILL BE ABLE TO HELP YOU, 6490 04:53:02,048 --> 04:53:05,985 AND THEY ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE NOTICE OF AWARD. 6491 04:53:07,186 --> 04:53:08,421 SO, I'M GONNA TELL YOU 6492 04:53:08,421 --> 04:53:13,025 THAT THE NIH GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT IS OUR BIBLE. 6493 04:53:13,025 --> 04:53:14,460 IT'S YOURS. 6494 04:53:14,460 --> 04:53:16,195 AND THE REASON WHY 6495 04:53:16,195 --> 04:53:20,500 IS BECAUSE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THAT AWARD 6496 04:53:20,500 --> 04:53:21,868 AND ABOUT WHAT'S ALLOWABLE 6497 04:53:21,868 --> 04:53:25,371 AND ABOUT NOT GETTING INTO NON-COMPLIANCE 6498 04:53:25,371 --> 04:53:28,508 IS GONNA BE IN THE GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT. 6499 04:53:28,508 --> 04:53:33,379 AND WE ACTUALLY UPDATE THE POLICY STATEMENT ANNUALLY. 6500 04:53:33,379 --> 04:53:36,415 AND EVER SINCE THE BUDGETS STARTED 6501 04:53:36,415 --> 04:53:37,750 BEING APPROVED A LITTLE LATER, 6502 04:53:37,750 --> 04:53:40,753 YOU MIGHT SEE WE USED TO DO IT IN OCTOBER. 6503 04:53:40,753 --> 04:53:44,123 AS THE BUDGETS (CHUCKLES) HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED ON TIME, 6504 04:53:44,123 --> 04:53:47,627 YOU MIGHT SEE 'EM IN APRIL OR MAY THIS TIME. 6505 04:53:47,627 --> 04:53:50,763 AND SO I JUST WANNA REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS 6506 04:53:50,763 --> 04:53:54,133 TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE GRANTS POLICY STATEMENT 6507 04:53:54,133 --> 04:53:58,604 AND MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, 6508 04:53:58,604 --> 04:54:00,339 YOU JUST REFER TO THAT. 6509 04:54:00,339 --> 04:54:02,642 AND IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED THERE, 6510 04:54:02,642 --> 04:54:06,379 THEN, AGAIN, CONTACT YOUR GRANTS MANAGEMENT OFFICIAL 6511 04:54:06,379 --> 04:54:10,983 OR FEEL FREE TO CALL OR EMAIL THE GRANTS POLICY OFFICE. 6512 04:54:14,687 --> 04:54:16,856 AND I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. 6513 04:54:18,491 --> 04:54:21,661 - [DORIT] THANKS, MICHELLE. QUESTIONS? 6514 04:54:31,170 --> 04:54:32,738 - (CHUCKLES) I HAVE A QUESTION, 6515 04:54:32,738 --> 04:54:34,207 I ALWAYS HAVE A QUESTION. 6516 04:54:34,207 --> 04:54:36,442 SO, ONE OF THE THINGS 6517 04:54:36,442 --> 04:54:40,446 THAT WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH IS OUR COMPLIANCE, 6518 04:54:42,081 --> 04:54:44,884 OUR SPONSORED PROGRAMS AND COMPLIANCE 6519 04:54:44,884 --> 04:54:50,022 IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE PART OF THE UNIVERSITY FROM FINANCE. 6520 04:54:50,022 --> 04:54:50,990 - [MICHELLE] MM, MM-HMM. 6521 04:54:50,990 --> 04:54:55,127 - WE HAVE NO SUPERVISORY ABILITY OVER THEM AT ALL, 6522 04:54:55,127 --> 04:54:56,229 AND VICE VERSA. 6523 04:54:56,229 --> 04:54:58,965 AND IT'S REALLY BEEN A CHALLENGE, 6524 04:55:01,267 --> 04:55:02,401 I'M ON THE OSP SIDE, IT'S LIKE, 6525 04:55:02,401 --> 04:55:03,636 "THEY'RE THE PROBLEM!" 6526 04:55:03,636 --> 04:55:07,406 - RIGHT, RIGHT. (MELISSA LAUGHS) 6527 04:55:07,406 --> 04:55:10,543 - BUT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TURNOVER, 6528 04:55:10,543 --> 04:55:15,548 AND IT'S BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT WHEN EVERYTHING COMES TO OSP 6529 04:55:16,215 --> 04:55:19,151 AND THE PROBLEMS ARE ON THE FINANCE SIDE. 6530 04:55:19,151 --> 04:55:21,487 SO IS THERE SOME WAY 6531 04:55:21,487 --> 04:55:26,058 THAT YOU GUYS COULD CONSIDER MOVING TO HAVING TWO AORS 6532 04:55:26,058 --> 04:55:30,229 OR HAVING A DIVISION BETWEEN THE FINANCIAL CONTACT 6533 04:55:31,631 --> 04:55:34,567 AND THE KIND OF COMPLIANCE CONTACT? 6534 04:55:34,567 --> 04:55:36,269 - SO- (MIC RUMBLING) 6535 04:55:36,269 --> 04:55:37,570 - (CHUCKLES) SORRY. 6536 04:55:37,570 --> 04:55:40,439 - OOH, THAT WAS A DIFFERENT VOICE. (LAUGHS) 6537 04:55:40,439 --> 04:55:41,807 SO, THAT WOULD BE HARD. 6538 04:55:41,807 --> 04:55:43,809 NIH CANNOT, YOU KNOW, 6539 04:55:43,809 --> 04:55:46,913 REALLY DICTATE THE ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE. 6540 04:55:46,913 --> 04:55:49,315 BUT WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE IS THAT 6541 04:55:49,315 --> 04:55:52,785 YOU COULD HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SIGNING OFFICIALS 6542 04:55:52,785 --> 04:55:55,688 WHERE WHEN YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION 6543 04:55:55,688 --> 04:55:59,859 OR WHEN YOU'RE RESPONDING TO THE RPPR OR THE FFR, 6544 04:55:59,859 --> 04:56:01,527 YEAH, FFR, 6545 04:56:01,527 --> 04:56:04,797 THAT YOU WORK TOGETHER THROUGH THIS NEUTRAL PERSON 6546 04:56:04,797 --> 04:56:08,634 TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE MAPPING. 6547 04:56:08,634 --> 04:56:11,804 WE HEAR THIS QUITE OFTEN, QUITE OFTEN, 6548 04:56:13,172 --> 04:56:15,041 AND IT REALLY BECAME AN ISSUE 6549 04:56:15,041 --> 04:56:19,578 WHEN WE HAD THE FEDERAL CASH TRANSACTION REPORTS 6550 04:56:19,578 --> 04:56:21,080 AND WE WERE HAVING FOLKS SUBMIT 6551 04:56:21,080 --> 04:56:23,582 THE FEDERAL FINANCIAL REPORTS, 6552 04:56:24,650 --> 04:56:26,652 AND THE ACCOUNTING OFFICE 6553 04:56:26,652 --> 04:56:28,988 AND THE FINANCE OFFICE WERE NOT TALKING, 6554 04:56:28,988 --> 04:56:32,558 AND SO THINGS WERE QUITE OFF. BUT WHAT WE OFTEN TRY TO DO 6555 04:56:32,558 --> 04:56:35,628 IS JUST REALLY WORK WITH EACH SIDE 6556 04:56:35,628 --> 04:56:38,064 TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN MAINTAIN COMPLIANCE, 6557 04:56:38,064 --> 04:56:42,234 BUT IT'S REALLY HARD FOR NIH TO REACH IN THAT WAY. 6558 04:56:44,937 --> 04:56:46,872 - I HAVE A QUESTION 6559 04:56:46,872 --> 04:56:49,308 WHICH YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER RIGHT NOW, 6560 04:56:49,308 --> 04:56:52,345 BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE RESOURCES. 6561 04:56:52,345 --> 04:56:55,381 IF YOU'RE FROM A LOWER-RESOURCE INSTITUTION, 6562 04:56:55,381 --> 04:56:57,183 HOW DO YOU FIND TRAINING 6563 04:56:57,183 --> 04:56:59,385 FOR PEOPLE THAT YOU WANNA HIRE 6564 04:56:59,385 --> 04:57:01,187 FOR THE OFFICE OF SPONSORED PROGRAMS 6565 04:57:01,187 --> 04:57:03,556 OR TO DO GRANTS COMPLIANCE? 6566 04:57:03,556 --> 04:57:05,891 IS THERE A TRAINING IN THIS? 6567 04:57:07,893 --> 04:57:11,630 - SO, WE DO HAVE OUR ANNUAL TRAININGS, 6568 04:57:11,630 --> 04:57:13,165 AND WE HAVE NCURA 6569 04:57:13,165 --> 04:57:17,470 I'M SURE YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THAT, SRA, 6570 04:57:17,470 --> 04:57:20,406 AND THEN THE FEDERAL DEMONSTRATION PARTNERSHIP. 6571 04:57:20,406 --> 04:57:21,974 AND I THINK FOR US, 6572 04:57:22,942 --> 04:57:26,278 THAT'S WHERE WE REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN 6573 04:57:26,278 --> 04:57:28,080 AND TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES. 6574 04:57:28,080 --> 04:57:29,482 AND ESPECIALLY AT FDP, 6575 04:57:29,482 --> 04:57:31,584 BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKING GROUPS 6576 04:57:31,584 --> 04:57:35,354 WHERE WE HAVE MANY OF OUR RESEARCH ADMINISTRATORS COME, 6577 04:57:35,354 --> 04:57:39,358 SIT, LISTEN, AND PARTICIPATE IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS 6578 04:57:39,358 --> 04:57:42,228 AND RAISE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE RAISING. 6579 04:57:42,228 --> 04:57:44,764 AND WE DO TRAIN IN THOSE WORKING GROUPS AS WELL. 6580 04:57:44,764 --> 04:57:46,065 WE HAVE, 6581 04:57:46,065 --> 04:57:49,668 FDP IS THE FEDERAL SIDE OF THE PARTNERSHIP. 6582 04:57:50,970 --> 04:57:54,774 AND SO WHAT THEY DO IS SUBMIT DIFFERENT TOPICS, 6583 04:57:54,774 --> 04:57:58,511 LIKE WE'RE GONNA BE DOING A TOPIC ON AUDITS, 6584 04:57:58,511 --> 04:58:02,915 AND SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THAT AT THE FDP NEXT WEEK 6585 04:58:02,915 --> 04:58:06,085 AND TRAINING ON HOW YOU CAN IDENTIFY 6586 04:58:06,085 --> 04:58:08,554 WHERE THOSE COST COMPLIANCE ISSUES ARE 6587 04:58:08,554 --> 04:58:10,990 OR ANY KIND OF COMPLIANCE ISSUE 6588 04:58:10,990 --> 04:58:14,794 AND HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. 6589 04:58:14,794 --> 04:58:18,597 AND A LARGE PART OF WHAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE OF 6590 04:58:18,597 --> 04:58:21,967 WITH THE AUDITS AND THAT KIND OF THING 6591 04:58:21,967 --> 04:58:23,069 IS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE 6592 04:58:23,069 --> 04:58:26,505 THAT IF YOU ALL ARE FACING AN AUDIT FINDING, 6593 04:58:26,505 --> 04:58:28,340 WE'RE GONNA BE FACING IT AS WELL. 6594 04:58:28,340 --> 04:58:29,442 SO IT'S THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, 6595 04:58:29,442 --> 04:58:32,011 SO WE DO TRAIN THAT WAY. 6596 04:58:32,011 --> 04:58:36,482 - [DORIT] OKAY, WE'LL TRY AND ADD SOME LINKS TO NCURA, SRA, 6597 04:58:36,482 --> 04:58:38,751 AND FDP'S RESOURCE DOCUMENT. - YEAH. 6598 04:58:38,751 --> 04:58:40,019 YES. - I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU, 6599 04:58:40,019 --> 04:58:42,788 AND WE'LL DO THAT. - YEAH. 6600 04:58:42,788 --> 04:58:45,291 - [DORIT] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 6601 04:58:49,328 --> 04:58:50,529 - THEY'RE TIRED. 6602 04:58:50,529 --> 04:58:51,964 - [DORIT] (LAUGHS) I'M TIRED. 6603 04:58:51,964 --> 04:58:55,067 - (LAUGHS) THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. 6604 04:58:55,067 --> 04:58:58,137 (ATTENDEES CLAPPING) 6605 04:59:03,008 --> 04:59:04,777 - OKAY, THANKS, MICHELLE. 6606 04:59:04,777 --> 04:59:08,881 THANK YOU ALL FOR PAYING LOTS OF ATTENTION TODAY, 6607 04:59:08,881 --> 04:59:11,250 AND I'D SPECIFICALLY LIKE TO THANK THE FOLKS 6608 04:59:11,250 --> 04:59:13,252 WHO HAVE BEEN JOINING US ON ZOOM ALL DAY, 6609 04:59:13,252 --> 04:59:16,722 AND I HOPE YOU'VE FOUND THE INFORMATION USEFUL.