>>WELCOME TO NIGMS
COUNCIL MEETING THIS MAY.
I AM JOHN, DIRECTOR OF NIGMS
AND WE'RE GOING TO START BY
DOING INTRODUCTIONS AND I WILL
GO AROUND THE ROOM BASED ON
THE ROSTER BUT FIRST LET'S
INTRODUCE SOME OF THE NG I GM
S PEOPLE.
>> HI, I AM TERESA, DEPUTY
DIRECTOR OF NIGMS.
>> AND WE ALSO HAVE DAR RAIN
HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS
OR ISSUES, PLEASE SEND A NOTE
TO DAR RAIN OR ERICA AND THEY
CAN HELP RESOLVE THAT.
WHY DON'T WE START WITH
COUNCIL MEMBERS NATALIE, YOU
WANT TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> HI, I AM NATALIE AHN
UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO
DEPARTMENT OF BIOCHEMISTRY.
>> GREAT, DAR RAIN?
>> HI EVERYBODY, I AM DARRIN
AKINS, OKLAHOMA UNIVERSITY
SCIENCE CENTER, DIRECTOR OF
MICROBIOLOGY AND IMMUNOLOGY
AND WE WORK ON HOW PROTEINS
ARE TRANSPORTED AND INSERTED
IN THE LIPID BIOLAYERS.
>> THANK YOU, SQUIRE?
>> GOOD MORNING -- [
INDISCERNIBLE ] MEDICAL
INSTITUTE, DEPARTMENT OF
BIOCHEMISTRY, DEPARTMENT OF
CHEMISTRY, WE WORK WITH ENZYME
REACTION MECHANISMS,
PARTICULARLY ENZYMES THAT USE
COFACTORS AND CATHOLISIS AND
WORK ON BIOESSENCE OF NATIONAL
PRODUCTS.
>> THANK YOU, ANGELA?
>> GOOD MORNING, UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN MADISON, PROFESSOR
OF DEPARTMENT OF MEDICINE AND
MY RESEARCH IS FOCUSING ON THE
EFFECTIVE MENTORSHIP,
MULTICULTURAL ISSUES AND
FUNCTION THING IN.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SARAH?
>> HI, I AM SARAH COHEN,
ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT UNC
CHAPEL HILL AND WORK ON LIPID
TRAFFICKING IN BETWEEN CELLS.
>> THANK YOU, ANGELA?
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY, MY
NAME IS ANGELA DEPACE AND
ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AT BIO--
[INDISCERNIBLE]
AND MOST RECENTLY THROUGH
BEING A FACTOR DIRECTOR OF THE
SCIENTIFIC CITIZENSHIP
INITIATIVE WHICH TEACHES
STUDENTS SKILLS AND DISPOGZ
FOR EFFECTIVE --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
>> THANK YOU, PETER?
>> MORNING, I AM PETER ES
PENSHADE FROM JOHN HOPKINS
UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF BIOLOGY.
AND I AM ALSO THE DEAN OF THE
GRADUATE STUDENTS AT THE
SCHOOL.
>> THANK YOU, LAURA GIBSON?
>> GOOD MORNING, I'M AT WEST
VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY HEALTH
SCIENCE CENTER, PROFESSOR IN
THE DEPARTMENT OF
MICROBIOLOGY, IMMUNOLOGY AND
CELL BIOLOGY.
OUR LAST FOCUS IS ON
UNDERSTANDING HOW THE
MICROBIOLOGY DEPARTMENT
THERAPY --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
ON THE SIDE, I AM BC FOR
RESEARCH AND GRADUATES.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE, I
AM WITH UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN
CALIFORNIA, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSLATIONAL GENUINE MOMENT
MIX, THE SCHOOL OF MEDICINE.
MY FOCUS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT
WHICH IS THE ACTUAL
TRANSLATION AND
COMMERCIALIZATION OF
BIOMEDICAL PRODUCTS AND
SERVICES.
>> THANK YOU, ANDRE, GREAT TO
HAVE YOU HERE, TERRY KINSEY?
>> TERRY THERE YET?
ALL RIGHT, LOOKS LIKE TERRY IS
NOT HERE YET.
>> HE IS HERE.
I AM NOT SURE WHY SHE IS NOT
ANSWERING AT THE MOMENT.
>> WELL WE'LL COME BACK TO
TERRY IN A MINUTE --
>> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
>> THERE YOU ARE.
>> SORRY, I AM ON THE PHONE
TEMPORARILY, TERRY KINSEY,
PROFESSOR OF BIOLOGICAL
SCIENCES.
MY RESEARCH IS FOCUSED ON
TRANSLATIONAL ELONGATION.
>> EXCELLENT, THANK YOU,
TERRY.
DANIELLE LI?
>> HI, I AM ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR AT MIT SLOAN SCHOOL
AND --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
>> THANK YOU, DANIELLE, DAVID
MATTHEWS?
>> UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER,
DEPARTMENT OF OUTCOME STREAK
RECOMMENDS AND MICROSPACE RNA
USING COMPUTATIONAL METHODS.
>> THANK YOU, VERA?
>> FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF
SYSTEM FORM COLLING AND
THERAPEUTICS AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF PENN AND ON THE SIDE
STUDYING --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
>> THANK YOU, LESLIE RHODES?
>> GOOD MORNING, I AM A
PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
CALIFORNIA UC DAVIS AND MY LAB
STUDIES CLINICAL POSITION AND
POLE LATER IN ASYMMETRIC
DIVISION.
>> THANK YOU, AMY?
>> HI, I AM AMY ROSENZWEIG, IN
THE DEPARTMENTS OF
MICROBIOLOGY AND CHEMISTRY, A
BIOCHEMIST AND STRUCTURAL
BIOLOGIST AND WE'RE INTERESTED
IN META HOMEOSTASIS AND
ENZYMES.
>> THANK YOU, MELANIE SANFORD?
>> HEY, I AM IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF CHEMISTRY AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF MICHIGAN AND MY GROUP, I AM
AN ORGANIC CHEMIST AND MY
GROUP STUDIES --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
>> THANK YOU, CRIST -- CHRIS
MOORE?
>> HI, EVERYONE, CLINICAL
PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITY OF
PITTSBURGH, SPEND MY TIME AS
CHEMICAL --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
>> THANK YOU.
PAUL?
>> GOOD MORNING, IMPROV SORE
IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
BIOCHEMISTRY AT THE UNIVERSITY
OF UTAH SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
SALT LAKE CITY AND WE'RE
INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING
METABOLIC ADAPTATIONS AND
ORGAN FUNCTIONS IN.
>> PAM?
>> I AM NOT SEEING PAM YET.
>> OKAY, THEN WE GO TO JEFF.
>> PROFESSOR OF LAW AT
UNIVERSITY OF GOOGLE AND STUDY
THE INTERSECTION OF HIGHER
EDUCATIONAL LAW.
>> EXCELLENT, I THINK THAT IS
EVERYBODY WHO IS SUPPOSED TO
BE HERE, PAM ARE YOU HERE?
>> YES, GOOD MORNING, GOOD TO
BE WITH YOU ALTHOUGH LATE, I
AM A PROFESSOR EMERITUS AT SAN
JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY
DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY AND
FORMER ASSOCIATE
VICE-PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH.
GOOD TO BE HERE.
>> THANK YOU PAM AND WE
CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE TIME
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HERE AND
THE WEST COAST SO THANK YOU
FOR GETTING ON EARLY.
WE HAVE, LET'S SEE, ONE ORDER
OF ADMINISTRATIVE BUSINESS I
NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WHICH IS
CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES
FROM THE LAST MEETING.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE
MINUTES OR REQUESTS FOR
CHANGES?
OKAY, HEARING NONE, I WILL ASK
IF THERE IS ANYONE WHO
DISCENTS FROM APPROVING THE
MINUTES, RAISE YOUR HAND?
OKAY, I DON'T SEE ANY DISSENT
SO WE WILL CONSIDER THE
MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING
APPROVED AND WITH THAT, I MUST
TURN TO THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT
AND GIVE YOU UPDATES ON WHAT
HAS BEEN GOING ON AROUND THE
INSTITUTE IN THE LAST FEW
MONTHS.
THERE WE GO.
SO THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR
PARTICIPATING IN THE COUNCIL
ROUND THIS MAY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
JUST TO REINTRODUCE A COUPLE
OF PEOPLE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF
AD HOC COUNCIL PARTICIPANTS,
VERA AND CHRIS WHO JUST
INTRODUCED THEMSELVES AND
WELCOME TO THEM AND WE'RE
LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING
THEIR INPUT AND PERSPECTIVES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND AS WE HAVE DONE FOR YEARS
NOW, WE HAVE TWO EARLY
INVESTIGATORS PARTICIPANTS,
SARAH AND PAUL AND VALUE THE
INPUT OF HAVING THEM ON OUR
COUNCIL AND HOPE THEY WILL
HAVE US DISSEMINATE WHAT GOES
ON THE COUNCIL AND MAKE IT A
LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENT TO
EARLY CAREER INVESTIGATORS AND
TRAINEES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE DO HAVE SOME PERSONNEL
CHANGES AROUND THE INSTITUTE.
FIRST WE WANT TO WELCOME KEE
WING CHOW IN THE DIVISIONAL
GENETICS CELLULAR AND
DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGY --
CHI-WING CHOW.
WELCOME.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME
DEPARTURES, AND NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
AND TANYA HAS ALSO TAKEN A NEW
POSITION, A PROMOTION AT THE
NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF DENTAL
CRANIOFACIAL RESEARCH AND ALSO
GIVING GOODBYE TO GARY MARLOWE
WHO WILL BE MOVING ON TO NI GM
S.
WE WISH THEM THE BEST.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
A BIG DEPARTURE HAS BEEN NED
SHARPLETS WHO TOOK A 7-MONTH
HIATUS IN 2018 TO BE ACTING
COMMISSIONER OF THE FDA K-FPLT
HE WAS REALLY A GREAT
COLLEAGUE, ADVOCATED FOR
POLICIES TO INSURE MORE
SUPPORT FOR INVESTORS --
INVESTIGATIVE ISSUES IN CANCER
RESEARCH AS WELL AS DIVERSITY
IN CANCER RESEARCH AND SUPPORT
FOR EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATORS.
HE WILL BE MISSED, NOT JUST AT
NIH BUT I THINK FOR THE
GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL TO HAVE
NED RETURN TO NORTH CAROLINA
AND HOPEFULLY WILL CONTINUE, I
AM SURE, TO DO GREAT THINGS
THERE.
DOUG LOWR Y WILL, I THINK FOR
THE THIRD TIME, BE THE ACTING
DIRECTOR OF NCI WHILE A SEARCH
FOR NED'S REPLACEMENT TAKES
PLACE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
COUPLE OF SAVE THE DATES WE
WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF, THE
JUDITH GREENBURG EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATOR LECTURE, THAT
WILL BE SEPTEMBER 28TH,
1-2:00 P.M. AND BROADCAST VIA
VIDEOCAST AND RECORDED SO
PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT LATER IF
THEY CAN'T COME AT THAT TIME.
THE DEWITT STETTEN LECTURE
WILL BE GIVEN BY SALLY HODDER
FROM WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY
AND TALKING ABOUT CLINICAL
RESEARCH HER AND HER
COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN DOING AND
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO BUILD
CAPACITY AT THE INSTITUTION.
THAT WILL BE NOVEMBER 30TH,
3-4:00 P.M. AND WILL BE
RECORDED SO YOU CAN WATCH IT
AT A LATER DAY.
PUT THOSE ON YOUR CALENDAR.
I THINK THEY WILL BE TERRIFIC
TALKS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND A NEW RESOURCE THAT HAS
JUST BEEN STOOD UP WITH NEW
LEADERSHIP AT NIGMS IS A NEW
STEM TEACHING RESEARCH PORTAL
PROVIDING FREE AND EASY ACCESS
MATERIAL THAT EDUCATORS OR
PARENTS OR OTHERS CAN USE TO
ENGAGE K-12 STUDENTS IN
SCIENCE.
IT WAS LAUNCHED LAST MONTH AND
MANAGED BY NIGMS AND WE ALSO
STOOD UP A NIH-WIDE
COORDINATING STEM COMMITTEE
THAT NIH IS LEADING WITH HELP
FROM OTHER CENTERS.
THE SITE FEATURES A WHOLE LOT
OF EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL
INCLUDING RESOURCES FUNDED
THROUGH OUR SEPA PROGRAM WHICH
YOU WILL BE HEARING ABOUT
SOON.
THE SITE WAS FEATURED IN THE
NATIONAL SCIENCE TEACHING
ASSOCIATION NEWSLETTER WHICH
HAS CLOSE TO 250,000
SUBSCRIBERS SO THAT MAKES IT
PRETTY EXCITING THAT THEY WERE
ABLE TO PICK THAT UP AND WE
HAVE BEEN SHARING IT ON SOCIAL
MEDIA BUT PLEASE HELP MAKE
OTHERS AWARE OF THE WEBSITE
AND RESOURCES IT HAS, IT IS
GIVEN HERE AND I THINK THERE
ARE QUITE USEFUL SITES FOR
YOUNG PEOPLE TO GET ENGAGED
ABOUT LEARNING IN SCIENCE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
RELATED TO THAT WE HAVE PUT
OUT ANOTHER ISSUE OF PATHWAYS
MAGAZINE, THIS ONE WE DID IN
COLLABORATION WITH THE
VICE-PRESIDENT, KAMALA HARRIS
AND IT IS ON THE VIRUS,
VACCINES, PARTICULARLY THE
COVID-19 VIRUS.
IT REACHED AN ESTIMATED TWO
AND A HALF MILLION MIDDLE AND
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND
19,000 TEACHERS ACROSS ALL 50
STATES.
IT HAS A LOT OF ASSOCIATED
CONTENT IN THE MAGAZINE,
ONLINE INFORMATION THAT IS
FREE INCLUDING RESEARCH,
LESSON PLANS TO CURRICULUM
STANDARDS SO TEACHERS CAN USE
THEM IN THE CLASSROOM.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THAT,
YOU CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE
THERE AND SEE WHAT THAT IS ALL
ABOUT BUT THE IDEA WHICH WAS
THE VICE-PRESIDENT'S WAS TO
LEVERAGE THE PANDEMIC TO BE
SORT OF A SPUTNIK KIND OF A
MOMENT TO GET KIDS MORE
INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING
CAREERS IN BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE
VICE-PRESIDENT HERSELF HAS A
CONNECTION TO BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH BECAUSE HER MOTHER
WAS A CANCER RESEARCHER.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOW RELATED TO S EPA WHICH I
MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO, A
NEW INITIATIVE THAT COMES FROM
THE UNITE PROGRAM WHICH YOU
MAY RECALL FROM PREVIOUS
COUNCIL ROUNDS, AN NIH-WIDE
INITIALIVE TO COMBAT
STRUCTURAL RACISM IN
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH AND THE
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
ENTERPRISE.
THIS NEW INITIATIVE IS TO
EXPAND THE S EPA PROGRAM AND
PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM TO INCLUDE
OTHER NIH CENTERS.
SO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF
HUMAN GENETICS, HUMAN
GENOMICS, PUT OUT A NOTICE
THAT WAS ANNOUNCED BY THE
PARTICIPATION OF ADDITIONAL
NIH CENTERS IN S EPA AND THAT
WILL ALLOW THEM TO FUND
PROJECTS WHICH AGAIN ARE IN
THE PRE-K THROUGH 12 EDUCATION
SPACE.
SO FAR, 16NIH CENTERS HAVE
JOINED NIGMS AND WILL BE ABLE
TO FUND SEPA AWARDS.
APPLICATIONS WILL COME IN AS
THEY HAVE IN THE PAST THROUGH
NIGMS AND PARTICIPATING ICS
WILL BE ABLE TO SELECT THE
ONES THEY WILL INTERESTED IN
TO FUND AND THE SEPA AWARDEES
FUNDED BY ALL THE OTHER ICS
WILL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN
PROGRAM-WIDE ACTIVITIES THAT
NIGMS LEADS AND ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE FROM THE PAST SO
IT WILL BE SEEN FROM THE
GRANTEES POINT OF VIEW.
VERY IMPORTANTLY, THE GOAL
HERE IS TO FUND MORE SEPA
GRANTS SO NIGMS CONTINUES ITS
COMMITMENT ARE TO FUND THE S
EPA PROGRAM, AND THE
PARTICIPATION OF OTHER ICS
WILL ALLOW MORE TO BE FUNDED.
SO THAT MEANS WE NEED TO SEE
MORE SEPA APPLICATIONS SO WE
CAN HAVE A SUFFICIENT NUMBER
OF MER TORE -- MER TORE CROSS
APPLICATIONS TO AWARD SO THAT
MEANS WE WILL HAVE MORE FROM
EVERY STATE IN THE COUNTRY
HOPEFULLY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WANT TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF
UPDATE ON MOSAIC PROGRAM, A
PROGRAM LED BY IGMS AIMED AT
PROMOTING CAREER TRANSITION
FROM POSTDOC TO RESEARCH
INTENSIVE CAREERS OF DIVERSE
RESEARCHERS.
AND THE GOAL IS TO ENHANCE THE
DIVERSITY OF FACULTY AT
RESEARCH-INTENSIVE POSITIONS.
SO FAR, 23NIH INSTITUTE
CENTERS AND OFFICES NOW
PARTICIPATE IN MOSAIC MAKING
IT A TRUE ALIGNS PROGRAM AND
PART OF THE PROGRAM YOU MAY
RECALL ARE THE K99 AWARDS AND
WE JUST ANNOUNCED THE FIRST
GROUP OF AWARDEES IN 2022
SHOWN HERE.
APPLICATIONS COME IN THREE
TIMES A YEAR SO WE WILL BE
MAKING TWO MORE ROUNDS THIS
YEAR OF ADDITIONAL SCHOLARS.
YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT THE
PROGRAM ON THE URL GIVEN THERE
AND LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER
TREMENDOUS CLASS OF DIVERSE
RESEARCHERS AND HELPING THEM
FOLLOW THEIR CAREERS INTO
INDEPENDENT RESEARCH
POSITIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO IN THE TRAINING FRONT, WE
ARE LOOKING AT SEEKING INPUT
FROM STUDENTS AND TRAINEES TO
GENERALLY FIND OUT WHAT THEY
ARE FEELING AND EXPERIENCING
AND HOW TO IMPROVE THE
RESEARCH TRAINING SO THE
PROGRAM IS TRYING TO GET MORE
INFORMATION FROM TRAINEES, WE
PUT OUT OUR REQUEST FOR
INFORMATION ON IMPROVING
RESEARCH TRAINING, CAREER
PROGRESSION AND EDUCATIONA L
ENVIRONMENT, INTERESTED IN
HEARING FROM ALL TRAINEES BUT
ESPECIALLY THOSE INVOLVED WITH
THE NIGMS-FUNDED PROGRAMS AND
THE COMMENT DEADLINE IS MAY
28TH SO LET THOSE YOU KNOW IN
YOUR LAB AND ELSEWHERE ABOUT
THE OPPORTUNITY.
YOU CAN POINT THEM BACK TO THE
FEEDBACK LOOP BLOG POST AT THE
SUBJECT URL AND WE HOPE TO GET
ROBUST RESPONSE AND DIRECT
INPUT FROM TRAINEES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOW, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT SOME OF THE
WORK WE ARE DOING IN CLOUD
COMPUTING AND THE REASON I
THINK AS WE DISCUSSED IN
PREVIOUS COUNCIL ROUNDS THAT
WE'RE PARTICULARLY INTERESTED
AND EXCITED ABOUT THE
POSSIBILITIES OF CLOUD
COMPUTING ARE WE THINK IT HAS
A POTENTIAL TO DEMOCRATIZE
SCIENCE.
AS YOU KNOW, NIGMS SUPPORTS
CAPTAIN PAST BUILDING AND
TRAINING AT MANY INSTITUTIONS,
400 IN 24IDEA STATES AND 100
MINORITY SERVING INSTITUTIONS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE THEIR
OWN COMPUTING SYSTEMS THAT
SUPPORT THAT KIND OF RESEARCH
DIRECTLY WHICH IS A CHALLENGE
CERTAINLY GIVEN THE INCREASING
IMPORTANCE OF BIG DATA AND
DATA SCIENCE BUT THE CLOUD
REALLY PROVIDES A OPPORTUNITY
TO OPEN THAT RESEARCH UP TO
ANY INSTITUTION OF THE COUNTRY
BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO
SUPPORT -- INSTITUTIONS DON'T
HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN HIGH
PERFORMANCE COMPUTERS, ACCESS
TO DATA SCIENCE TOOLS OR THEIR
OWN STORAGE OF THE DATA.
THAT CAN ALL BE DONE IN THE
CLOUD AND ALL THEY REALLY NEED
IS A HIGH SPEED INTERNET
CONNECTION.
AND SO WE THINK THAT THE
OPPORTUNITY TO DRAMATICALLY
INCREASE ACCESS TO THESE KINDS
OF TOOLS AND DRAMATICALLY
INCREASE TRAINING AND RESEARCH
IN DATA SCIENCE AT
INSTITUTIONS WITH LESSER
RESOURCES IS REALLY TREMENDOUS
THROUGH THE CLOUD AND SO
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE TRYING
TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN FURTHER
LEVERAGE THE CLOUD IN THIS WAY
AND MAKE AVAILABLE THESE KINDS
OF RESEARCH AND TRAINING
OPPORTUNITIES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WE HAVE DONE A FEW THINGS.
ONE IS WE HAVE JUST ASKED THE
COMMUNITY FOR THEIR THOUGHTS
ON THIS GENERAL STRATEGY AND
SO WE HAD A CLOUD COMPUTING
REQUEST FOR INFORMATION LAST
SUMMER AS WELL AS A WORKSHOP
IN THE FALL.
THIS WAS IN COLLABORATION WITH
THE NIH OFFICE OF DATA SCIENCE
STRATEGY AND THE NATIONAL
INSTITUTE ON MINORITY HEALTH
AND HEALTH DISPARITIES.
THE RFI CLOSED IN SEPTEMBER
AND THEN WE HAD A WORKSHOP
ALSO IN SEPTEMBER WHERE WE
INVITED PEOPLE FROM
UNDERSERVED, UNDER RESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS, PARTICULARLY
MINORITY SERVING INSTITUTIONS
TO GET INPUT ON BOTH THEIR
OPPORTUNITIES THEY SEE
PROVIDED BY THE CLOUD AS WELL
AS CHALLENGES IN MEETING THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THAT WAS REALLY ONE CLEAR
NEED IDENTIFIED WHICH WAS THE
NEED FOR MORE TRAINING
OPPORTUNITIES IN CLOUD
COMPUTING AND HOW TO USE THE
CLOUD.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO WE HAVE BEEN PILOTING A
IDEA IN HOW TO, IN ONE WAY TO
DO THAT, WHICH IS TO ENABLE
THE CREATION OF TRAINING
MODULES, OF LEARNING MODULES
THAT BOTH HELP STUDENTS AND
RESEARCHERS LEARN A SPECIFIC
AREA OF DATA ANALYSIS,
PARTICULARLY USING THE CLOUD,
HOW TO DO DATA ANALYSIS IN
THAT AREA IN THE CLOUD, BUT AT
THE SAME TIME, LEARNING THE
BASIC FUNDAMENTALS OF WORKING
WITHIN THE CLOUD.
SO THEY LEARN THE SCIENTIFIC
AREAS OF THE DATA ANALYSIS
AREA, BUILD THE DATA SCIENCE,
ANALYTICS TOOLS AND ALSO LEARN
CLOUD COMPUTING TOOLS IN
GENERAL BECAUSE THE
ENVIRONMENT THEY ARE WORKING
IN IS IN THE CLOUD.
AND WE DID AS A PILOT SUPPORT
THE DEVELOPMENT OF TWO SUCH
LEARNING MODULES LAST YEAR.
THESE WERE A MASSPEC DATA
ANALYSIS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF
ARKANSAS AND THEN A RNA SEQ
ANALYSIS BY THE UNIVERSITY OF
MAIN.
SO THESE MODULES ALONG WITH
COMPLETING MODULES THAT WILL
BE HOUSED BY NIH AND THEIR
STRIDES PROGRAM WILL BE FREELY
AVAILABLE ON WHAT WE'RE
CALLING A SAND BOX, NIGMS
CLOUD SAND BOX SO ANY TRAINEE
OR RESEARCHER CAN LOG IN AND
DO THESE TRAINING COURSES,
DEVELOP THEIR SKILLS IN THOSE
AREAS AND ALSO LEARN THE CLOUD
COMPUTING SKILLS.
THIS YEAR WE'RE FUNDING TEN
MORE TEAMS TO BUILD ADDITIONAL
LEARNING MODULES AND THEN WE
WILL ALSO DEPLOY THOSE IN THIS
SAND BOX ENVIRONMENT SO THAT
WILL INVOLVE PRETTY RICH
EXPLORATION OF DIFFERENT KINDS
OF AREAS WE THINK, GIVE
DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR
PEOPLE TO LEARN THE SCIENTIFIC
DATA ANALYSIS AREAS AND ALSO
HOW TO WORK IN THE CLOUD
ENVIRONMENT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THIS SLIDE JUST GIVES YOU A
SENSE OF THOSE TEN MORE THAT
WE'RE IN PROCESS -- OR WE HAVE
FUNDED THIS WEEK ACTUALLY IN A
VARIETY OF DIFFERENT AREAS,
EVERYTHING FROM FUNDAMENTALS
OF BIOINFOMATICS TO DATA
ANALYSIS OF SPECIFIC AREAS TO
SERVING DATA SCIENCE
APPROACHES IN THIS CASE,
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND
MACHINE LEARNING, VARIOUS
TOOLS THERE, ET CETERA.
SO IT WILL PROVIDE A RICH
ARRAY OF DIFFERENT LEARNING
OPPORTUNITIES AND THEY ARE
BEING CONSTRUCTED BY
INSTITUTIONS THROUGHOUT THE
COUNTRY.
NOW WE HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY
OPEN TO INSTITUTIONS IN
MINORITY STATES AS WELL AS
MINORITY INSTITUTIONS FUNDED
THROUGH THE NWIT DIVISION.
WHAT YOU DO SEE HERE IS THE
RESPONSE WAS VERY STRONG, FROM
THE INGRAIN INSTITUTIONS, NOT
NEARLY AS STRONG FROM THE
OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND I
THINK IN DOES INDICATE AN
OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TRY TO
STRENGTHEN UNDERRESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS NOT IN IDEA
STATES.
ONE OF THE REASONS THE INGRAIN
OPPORTUNITIES WERE SO -- NOT
SURE WHAT HAPPENED TO MY
SLIDES.
CAN I GET THE SLIDES BACK,
MATT?
THANKS.
IS THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO
HAVE A DATA SCIENCE CORE, ONE
OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE
FOA.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED
TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF OUR
SUPPORT WITH UNDERSTAND
RESOURCED AND MINORITY SERVING
INSTITUTIONS, IS HOW TO HELP
THEM BUILD THEIR DATA SCIENCE
CAPACITY IN WAYS PERHAPS
MONITORING WHAT WE HAVE DONE
IN THE INGRAIN PROGRAM AND
MOVING THIS OPPORTUNITY
FORWARD.
SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO
THIS IN HAVING PEOPLE USE THE
MODELS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOW I WANT TO END BY TELLING
YOU A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE
ONGOING ANALYSIS WE'RE DOING
OF OUTCOMES OF THE MIRROR
PROGRAM -- MIRA PROGRAM, A
PARADIGM ON HOW WE CONDUCT AND
SUPPORT BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH.
I SHOWED YOU LAST FEBRUARY THE
DATA WE HAD COME UP WITH FOR
SEVERAL ASPECTS OF THE MIRA
PROGRAM WITH THOSE OUTCOMES
AND THAT FROM THE MATCHED
INVESTIGATORS AND THE
TAKEAWAYS ARE THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATOR, EIMIRA HOLDERS
AND WHAT WE CALL THE EARLY
STAGE EX-MIRA HOLDERS, PEOPLE
RENEWING THEIR GRANT WITH MIRA
AS WELL AS CONVERSIONS OF RO1S
TO MIRAS HAD HIGHER AWARD
RATES THAN THOSE TRYING TO
RENEW RO1.
BOTH RECEIVED BUDGETING
INCREASES SO THAT WAS A BIT OF
A MYTH THAT NIGMS WAS NOT
GIVING INCREASES TO MIRA
INVESTIGATORS, THAT WAS NOT
TRUE BASED ON OUR INITIAL
DATA.
EX EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS
RENEWING THEIR MIRAS AS WELL
AS PEOPLE WHO HAD LOWER BUDGET
MIRAS COMING IN RECEIVED THE
LARGEST INCREASES ALTHOUGH
MOST PEOPLE DID GET SOME KIND
OF INCREASE.
R01 INCREASES OVERALL, WE
SHOWED YOU THOSE DATA WITH PIS
THAT HAD RO1S WITH LESS THAN
250,000 IN DIRECT COSTS WERE
BROUGHT UP TO AT LEAST 250,000
IN DIRECT COSTS WHICH IS KIND
OF THE FLOOR WE'RE TRYING TO
MAINTAIN FOR INVESTIGATORS AND
PIS WITH LARGE BUDGETS IN
CONVERSE AND WE DEFINE LARGE
BUDGETS WITH GREATER THAN
$400,000 IN DIRECT COSTS WERE
GENERALLY CUT BY PERCENT AND
BY 12 PERCENT AND ARE THAT
ALLOWS US TO AWARD MORE
PROGRAMS.
AND THEY ARE NOT LOCKED IN TO
THE $250,000.
MOST GOT BUDGETING INCREASES,
SOME OF THEM GOT FAIRLY
SUBSTANTIAL BUDGETING
INCREASES.
SO THAT WAS WHAT I TOLD YOU
LAST MEETING, JUST A SUMMARY
OF THOSE DATA BUT I WANT TO
TELL YOU SOME ADDITIONAL DATA
ON MIRAS VERSUS RO1S NOW.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS AND AN ANALYSIS DONE
BY TRAVIS DORSEY.
SO NEXT QUESTION, NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE, WAS RPI STILL APPLYING
FOR MIRAS, A POPULAR PROGRAM
THAT PIS ARE INTERESTED IN
APPLYING FOR AND WE HAVE A
STRATEGIC GOAL IT THAT IS IN
OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT BY
2025 WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT
LEAST 60 PERCENT OF OUR RO1
EQUIVALENT POOL BE MIRAS.
SO WE WANT TO BE A MAJORITY, A
STRONG MAJORITY OF THAT POOL
AS MIRAS INSTEAD OF RO1S.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE
DEMOGRAPHICS OF MIRAS ARE AND
HOW THEY COMPARE TO THE RO1
DEMOGRAPHICS AND WHAT MAKES
MIRAS MORE LIKELY TO APPLY FOR
FUNDING THROUGH NIH CENTERS.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE
SEEN IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT
BECAUSE MIRA PIS ARE
RESTRICTED TO THAT ONE
RESEARCH GRANT, IT WAS GOING
TO FORCE THEM TO APPLY TO
OTHER NIH CENTERS IN ORDER TO
GET MORE FUNDING AND WE WANTED
TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER THAT
WAS TRUE OR NOT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND FINALLY WE ALSO WANT TO
KNOW HOW THE PRODUCTIVITY AND
SCIENTIFIC IMPORTANCE OF M
IRA PI RESEARCH COMPARE TO
SIMILAR FUNDED R01PIS, SO ARE
THEY DOING MORE IN TERMS OF
PRODUCTIVITY, OR LESS AND THAT
IS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION IN
EVALUATING THIS PROGRAM AND
ITS OUTCOMES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OKAY IN TERMS OF INTEREST IN
MIRA, THE GRAPH HERE SHOWS FOR
EIS, THE TOTAL OF PERCENTAGE
AWARDS COMPRISED IN DARK SOLID
BLUE, RO1, STRIPED PURPLE
BARS, THOSE ARE THE MIRAS AND
IN THE HASHED GREEN BARS,
OTHER RESEARCH PROGRAMS OR
RPGS.
SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2021, AFTER
STARTING FUNDING IN 2016, YOU
CAN SEE THE PERCENTAGE OF
MIRAS HAS BEEN STEADILY
GROWING EACH YEAR, RELATIVE TO
R01, GETTING CHOSE TO BEING
50 PERCENT OF THE COMPETING
RPGS WE AWARDED TO ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS AND THEN YOU CAN
SEE THE EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATORS IS EVEN MORE
POPULAR AND BY 2018, A
MAJORITY OF COMPETING RPGS FOR
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS AND
THIS YEAR BEING 70 PERCENT,
2021, OF THE AWARDS WE MADE TO
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS WERE
FROM MIRA.
SO IN CONCLUSION, MIRA HAS POM
AN INCREASINGLY LARGER
COMPONENT OF OUR PORTFOLIO AND
NOT ONLY HIGH BUT CONTINUES
GROWING AND PARTICULARLY
IMPORTANT AMONG EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATORS.
AND MORE THAN HALF OF THE
COMPETING AWARDS EACH YEAR ARE
NOW MIRAS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IN TERMS OF DEMOGRAPHICS,
FIRST COMPARING GENDER, ONE
CAN SEE THAT FOR R01S,
CURRENTLY ABOUT 21 PERCENT
FUNDED R01S ARE FOR WOMEN PIS,
79 PERCENT ARE FOR MEN PIS,
COMPARING THAT TO MIRAS, A
LITTLE BIT CLOSE TO PARITY
ALTHOUGH NOT A LOT OF PARITY,
27 PERCENT OF ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS ARE MIRAS ARE
WOMEN AND 73 PERCENT REPORTING
AS MEN.
IN TERMS OF THE ESIS IN BOTH
CATEGORIES, IT IS SOMEWHAT
CLOSER TO PARITY ALTHOUGH
AGAIN, STILL WE'RE NOT AT THAT
50 PERCENT LEVEL.
FOR ESI R01S, 27 PERCENT WOMEN
AND FOR MIRAS, ABOUT
32 PERCENT WOMEN.
THIS IS ENCOURAGING, SOMEWHAT
BETTER THAN THE R01 POOL BUT
CERTAINLY DISCOURAGING THAT
WE'RE NOT AT 50 PERCENT YET
WHICH IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE IN
TERMS OF THE GRADUATION
DEMOGRAPHICS.
NIH WIDE, I THINK SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN 25-30 PERCENT IS WHAT
THE DEMOGRAPHICS SHOW IN TERMS
OF THE APPLICANT POOL.
WE DO KNOW HAVING LOOKED AT
DATA IN THE PAST THERE IS NO
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE EITHER
FOR RO1S OR FOR MIRAS IN TERMS
OF SUCCESS RATES OR SCORES
BETWEEN WOMEN AND MEN SO THAT
AT LEAST IS ENCOURAGING.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF
DEMOGRAPHICS FROM A RACIAL AND
ETHNIC STANDPOINT, WE BROKE
THIS DOWN IN TERMS OF STRIPED
BARS BEING WHITE PIS, THE BLUE
DOTTED BARS BEING ASIAN PIS,
THE GREEN CROSS HASH BARS
BEING HISPANIC OR BLACK AND
YELLOW BEING THOSE WHO DIDN'T
REPORT OR OTHER.
ONE CAN SEE AS WE COMPARE THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS MIRA
TO THE RO1, THAT ONLY
3 PERCENT, 4 PERCENT
SELF-REPORT AS HISPANIC OR
BLACK WHICH IS QUITE A BIT
BELOW THE COLLEGE AGE
GRADUATES OR COLLEGE GRADUATES
IN LIFE SCIENCES BY SEVERAL
FOLD, A NUMBER FOLD.
IN TERMS OF THE EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATOR MIRA AND EARLY
INVESTIGATOR RO1, MIRA IS A
LITTLE BETTER AT 7 PERCENT
HISPANIC OR BLACK.
AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO
INCREASE THAT NUMBER 3-4-FOLD
TO GET TO THE POINT WE WOULD
EXPECT BASED ON COLLEGE
GRADUATION RATES IN THE LIFE
SCIENCES.
SO STILL MORE WORK TO BE DONE
THERE, PERHAPS ENCOURAGING
THAT, YOU KNOW, MIRA SLIGHTLY
BETTER THAN RO1S AND THE EARLY
STAGE INVESTIGATOR POOL IS A
LITTLE BETTER THAN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR POOL.
WE HAVE DONE SOME PRELIMINARY
ANALYSIS IN THE PAST LOOKING
AT SUCCESS RATES AND SCORING
AND DID NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE UNDER REPRESENTED
GROUP AT THAT POINT ALTHOUGH
WE'RE CONTINUING THAT ANALYSIS
AND WILL REPORT BACK TO YOU
WHEN WE HAVE DATA UP TO 2021
TO SHOW FOR THAT, BUT
SOMETHING WE'RE CERTAINLY
LOOKING AT.
BUT ANY WAYS, MORE WORK TO BE
DONE IN TERMS OF THE
DEMOGRAPHICS, BOTH R01 POOLS
AND MIRA POOLS IN THIS REGARD.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IN TERMS OF THE MYTH THAT
THE -- OR THE CONTENTION,
WHICH I WILL SHOW YOU TURNS
OUT TO BE A MYTH THAT THE MIRA
PROGRAM AND ITS CONSTRAINTS ON
GETTING ADDITIONAL NIGMS
RESEARCH GRANTS WAS FORCING
INVESTIGATORS TO GET FUNDING
AT OTHER NIH CENTERS AND WHEN
WE LOOKED AT THAT, IT TURNED
OUT THAT WAS NOT WHAT SEEMS
WAS HAPPENING.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH,
THE SOLID PURPLE LINES THE M
IRA INVESTIGATORS, THE DOTTED
GREEN LINES ARE MATCHED R01
INVESTIGATORS, MATCHED IN
TERMS OF HOW MUCH FUNDING THEY
HAVE IN TERMS OF THEIR CAREER
STAGE, DEMOGRAPHICS, ET
CETERA, AND THIS IS THE
PERCENTAGE OF THOSE
INVESTIGATORS WHO HAD POST
AWARD NET NEUTRALITY NIGMS
APPLICATIONS SO APPLIED TO
OTHER NIH CENTERS FOR RESEARCH
GRANTS AFTER THEY GOT THEIR M
IRA OR R01 AND YOU CAN SEE FOR
MOST YEARS, THE MIRA
INVESTIGATORS IN BOTH
ESTABLISHED AND EARLY
INVESTIGATOR CATEGORIES ARE
APPLYING FOR FEWER
APPLICATIONS -- OR GRANTS FROM
OTHER NIH INSTITUTES AND
CENTERS THAN WERE THE R01
INVESTIGATORS WHO WERE
APPLYING FOR MORE.
SO THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE
MYTHOLOGY THAT IS OUT THERE
THAT IT WOULD BE THE OTHER WAY
AROUND AND YOU CAN READ MORE
ABOUT THIS ANALYSIS IN THE
FEEDBACK TO THE POST.
SO THE CONCLUSION HERE, MIRA
INVESTIGATORS SUBMIT COMPETING
AWARDS TO ANOTHER NIH CENTERS
LESS OFTEN THAN NIGMS R01
INVESTIGATORS WHICH IS COUNTER
TO THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IN
THE COMMUNITY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN FINALLY WE WANTED TO
LOOK AT PRODUCTIVITY AND
SCIENTIFIC IMPACT OF
INVESTIGATORS AND THIS AGAIN
IS LOOKING AT MIRA
INVESTIGATORS VERSUS MAX
COHORTS OF R01 COME PARROT
TORSION, MATCHED WITH FUNDING,
CAREER STAINING, ET CETERA, SO
JUST YOU KNOW FROM THE INITIAL
ANALYSIS FOR SIMPLICITY, WE
HOOKED AT PUBLICATION RATES,
CITATION RATES AND FIELD
NORMAL CITATION RATES USING
THE RCR METRICS AND WHAT I AM
SHOWING HERE ARE THE MIRA
RATES THAT ARE VERY SIMILAR TO
THIS.
SO WHAT IS SHOWN IN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR MIRA,
ESTABLISHED MIRA COME PARROT
TORE, THE TOP TWO, OR THE
BOTTOM TWO AND WE ACTUALLY --
OR TRAVIS BROKE THEM INTO
EARLY COHORTS VERSUS THE LATER
COHORTS BECAUSE FOR THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR
COHORTS, THERE WERE DIFFERENT
ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR
THOSE WHO APPLIED FOR MIRA SO
WE WANTED TO ESTABLISH THOSE
COHORTS AND ALSO THEY HAD
DIFFERENT LENGTHS OF TIME TO
PUBLISH SO THAT BREAKS THEM
INTO THE TWO DIFFERENT
COHORTS.
WHAT YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU
COMPARE THE CURVES
PARTICULARLY FOR ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS IS THE MIRA
COHORTS ARE SHIFTED TO THE
RIGHT MEANING MORE
PUBLICATIONS IN THE TIME
PERIOD AND THE PERCENTILE
SHOWN IN THE TOP SO THE
RIGHT-SHIFTING IS ACTUALLY
SIGNIFICANT WITH BOTH COHORTS
BUT THE MIRA INVESTIGATORS
WERE PUBLISHING MORE PAPERS IN
THE TIME PERIOD THAN THE
MATCHED COMPARATIVE
INVESTIGATORS OF R01.
IT YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE TIM
LAR TREND BUT NOT MUCH OF
DIFFERENCE FOR LATER COHORT TO
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS BUT
THEY HAVE HAD VERY LITTLE TIME
TO PUBLISH PARROT AND YOU CAN
SEE ONLY PUBLISHED ONE OR TWO
IN THE TIME THEY HAD.
SO IN GENERAL I THINK THE
CONCLUSION FROM THIS IS THAT
THE ESTABLISHED VEST FATIVE
MIRAS AND AT LEAST POTENTIALLY
ONE OF THE EARLY COHORT OF
EARLY INVESTIGATOR MIRAS DID
HAVE HIGHER PUBLICATION RIGHTS
THAN MATCHED COMPARATOR GROUPS
AND AS I SAID SIMILAR TRENDS
WERE SEEN WITH CITATIONS AND
FIELD NORMALIZED CITATIONS
USING RCR.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THE KEY FINDINGS THERE,
NEXT SLIDE, MIRA HAS BECOME
AN INCREASINGLY LARGE PORTION
OF OUR PORTFOLIO AND CONTINUES
TO BE HIGH AMONG EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATORS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
MIRAEIS A LITTLE MORE DIVERSE,
BUT STILL WELL BELOW THE LEVEL
FOR PH.D. GRADUATES IN LIFE
SCIENCES AS WELL AS UNDER
GRADUATES GRADUATING IN LIFE
SCIENCES SO THIS IS AN AREA WE
NEED TO CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON,
BOTH TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT
SEEING DISPARITIES IN THE
LEVEL OF FUNDING BUT ALSO
IMPORTANTLY TO MAKE SURE WE
GET INCREASING NUMBER OF
APPLICATIONS FROM RESEARCHERS
FROM DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
MIRA INVESTIGATORS HAVE
SUBMITTED SUBSEQUENT
APPLICATIONS AFTER THEY GOT
THEIR M IRA TO OTHER NIH ICS
THAN THE MATCHED GROUP OF RO1
INVESTIGATORS COUNT TO COMMON
WISDOM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATIVE
MIRA INVESTIGATORS SR-R
SLIGHTLY HIGHER PRODUCTIVITY
IN CITATIONS THAN COMPARABLE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR RO1
RESEARCHERS.
SO THAT, I THINK THE TAKE HOME
FROM THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE
MIRA FUNDED INVESTIGATORS ARE
DOING AT LEAST AS WELL IN
TERMS OF THEIR PRODUCTIVITY
AND SCIENTIFIC IMPACT AS R01
INVESTIGATORS IF NOT SLIGHTLY
BETTER SO THAT CERTAINLY
SUGGESTS THAT THEY HAVE NOT,
YOU KNOW, GONE OFF ON VACATION
BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN
ADDITIONAL FREEDOM AND THEY
ARE CONTINUING TO DO IMPORTANT
AND IMPACTFUL SCIENCE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
FINALLY I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU, IF YOU
HAVEN'T, TO SUBSCRIBE TO OUR
FEEDBACK LOOP POST.
SOME OF THE ANALYSIS I TOLD
YOU ABOUT HAVE ALREADY
APPEARED ON THE FEEDBACK LOOP
AND MORE WILL APPEAR IN THE
FUTURE SO IT IS A GOOD WAY
FOR YOU TO KEEP UP WITH THE
ANALYSIS, THE RESEARCH AND
FUNDING AND IMPORTANT IDEAS TO
GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND
HAVE THE COMMUNITY THINKING
ABOUT.
YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE IN TWO WAYS.
EVERY TIME A POST COMES OUT
YOU CAN GET A E-MAIL
NOTIFICATION OR YOU CAN JUST
GET THE DIGEST OF POSTS AFTER
A NUMBER HAVE ACCUMULATED SO
IT DOESN'T CLUTTER YOUR INBOX
AS MUCH.
SO PLEASE SUBSCRIBE YOURSELF,
SUGGEST TO OTHERS THAT THEY
SUBSCRIBE.
I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF
MYTHS OUT THERE IN THE
COMMUNITY THAT COULD BE
DISPELLED MUCH MORE EASILY IF
PEOPLE WOULD READ THE FEEDBACK
POST LOOP AND INFORMATION WE
PUT UP THERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
YOU CAN FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL
MEDIA SO PLEASE DO THAT AS
WELL IN ADDITION TO
SUBSCRIBING TO THE FEEDBACK
POST, NEXT SLIDE.
AND I AM HAPPY TO TAKE
QUESTIONS.
SQUIRE, GO AHEAD.
>> HI, JON, REALLY VERY
INFORMATIVE.
SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF
QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT YOU SAID
THAT ESIS WHEN THEY RENEWED
THEIR MIRA GOT BUDGET
INCREASES AND UNTIL CASES,
SUBSTANTIAL BUDGET INCREASES.
CAN YOU SORT OF CLARIFY WHAT
SUBSTANTIAL MEANS IN THAT?
>> YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD
QUESTION.
SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A
FEEDBACK LOOP POST ABOUT THAT
AND WE CAN POINT YOU TO THAT,
A LOT OF DATA ON THE SUBJECT.
THE AVERAGE INCREASE FOR
EVERYBODY WAS ABOUT 3 PERCENT.
>> I GOTCHA.
>> THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO
GOT MORE, YOU KNOW,
10 PERCENT, MAYBE AS HIGH AS
20 PERCENT INCREASES, RIGHT?
>> WOW.
>> SO SOME HAD THEIR BUDGET
DOUBLE, SOME MAY HAVE GONE
FROM 250K TO 300K FOR EXAMPLE
IF THEIR PRODUCTIVITY AND WORK
THEY WERE DOING REALLY SEEMED
TO MERIT THAT BUDGET INCREASE.
>> RIGHT.
SO MY OTHER QUESTION CONCERNS
THE MOSAIC PROGRAM.
SO I AM ON THE STEERING
COMMITTEE AND I JUST MET WITH
THE SCHOLARS LAST WEEK AND
THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, A NUMBER
OF QUESTIONS AND SOME -- A
COUPLE OF THEM CONFUSING.
FIRST OF ALL WHEN THEY GO INTO
R00 PHASE, RIGHT, IT IS MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY EACH
GET $249,000 AND THAT'S TOTAL.
THAT'S DIRECT PLUS INDIRECT.
SO WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE
GOING TO END UP RECEIVING
DEPENDS ON WHAT THE INDIRECT
IS AS THEIR INSTITUTIONS WHEN
THEY GET THERE.
>> I AM GOING TO DEFER THAT TO
MAYBE ALISON JANNE.
SO YOUR CONCERN IS IF THEY
HIRE INDIRECT, THEY ARE
GETTING LESS MONEY?
>> EXACTLY.
>> ALISON, YOU WANT TO COMMENT
ON THAT?
>> YES, SORRY, COMING OFF
MUTE.
I AM GOING TO SEE IF PENNY,
ARE YOU IN THE -- WE'RE DOING
A --
>> PENNY IS NOT ON, ALISON.
>> SHE SAYS IT IS THE SAME AS
IT FOR THE PARENT, K99 R00.
AND SHE IS STILL TYPING.
>> RIGHT, IT IS THE SAME OF
WHATEVER THE PARENT R00 WORKS,
THAT PHASE.
>> BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WHEN
YOU MOVE TO THE 00, IT IS WITH
A DIFFERENT INSTITUTION WITH
DIFFERENT INDIRECT RATES AND
SUFFICIENT LIKE THAT.
I JUST ASSUMED THAT NUMBER
WOULD BE DIRECT BUT IT IS NOT,
IT IS DIRECT PLUS WHATEVER THE
INDIRECT IS.
SO WHILE THEY ARE SEARCHING
FOR THAT QUESTION --
[LAUGHTER]
-- I HAVE A SECOND QUESTION.
SO IF THEY -- SAY THEY ARE IN
THEIR R00 PHASE AND THEY GET
AN R35, DO THEY HAVE TO GIVE
UP THE 00?
>> I BELIEVE SO, YES.
I THINK WE USUALLY RUN THAT
OUT FOR THE YEAR AND THEN THEY
MOVE TO THE 35, YEAH.
>> BUT DO YOU THINK THAT IS
RIGHT?
I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT
COMPARABLE PROGRAMS, FOR
EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU
HAVE THIS TRANSITION FOR
GRANTS LIKE HANNAH GRAY, WOULD
THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP THE 35?
>> THAT IS AN INTERESTING
QUESTION.
NO, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A
NIGMS --
>> THAT IS WHAT I FIGURED BUT
I WOULD THINK WE WANT OUR
PROGRAM TO BE ON PAR WITH
OTHER PROGRAMS OR IT MAKES
OURS IMFEAR. I M -- INFERIOR.
>> THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD
THINK ABOUT.
>> IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN
VOTE ON?
>> WHAT'S THAT?
>> IS THIS SOMETHING COUNCIL
CAN DISCUSS AND VOTE ON?
>> WELL, WE ARE TAKING THAT
COMMENT VERY SERIOUSLY TO LOOK
AT SO --
[OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS]
>> RIGHT, SO THANKS SO MUCH
PENNY FOR BEING ONLINE AND
REMINDING ME THAT THE -- THIS
IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM THE
RESEARCH PROJECT IN THE
8 PERCENT STANDARD AMOUNT, SO
THEY GET A STANDARD AMOUNT AND
IT WILL VARY ACCORDING TO THE
HE HAS INSTITUTION BEFORE
THEY TRANSITION TO THE 00S.
>> THE PERCENT IS THE SAME.
>> SO IT DOESN'T VARY AND THIS
IS NIH-WIDE POLICY AND SO
WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING ALL OF
THE NIH-WIDE POLICIES.
WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE THINGS
INTO CONSIDERATION AND I THINK
ANY POLICY WE MAKE FOR MOSAIC
WOULD HAVE TO BE CONFIGURED
ALL THE WAY THROUGH NIH.
AND LET'S SEE, KENNY -- WOW,
HE IS GIVING A LOT --
[LAUGHTER]
LET'S SEE.
SORRY, YEAH.
NO, AT ANY RATE, I THINK WE
CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK TO YOU.
I AM GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE
MAYBE A SIDE CONVERSATION WITH
PENNY AND COME BACK TO --
>> OKAY, WE WILL COME BACK TO
YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SORRY ABOUT
THAT, OKAY.
>> DANIELLE?
>> SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS,
ONE IS MORE LIKE A SOAP BOX
STYLE QUESTION/COMMENT AND THE
OTHER IS A LITTLE MORE
SPECIFIC.
SO SORT OF ON THE SOAP BOXING
I WAS THINKING OF THESE MIRA
AND CONVERSION RATES WHICH WE
TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME AND
THEY ARE QUITE HIGH AND THE
QUESTION I HAD LAST TIME WHICH
I KIND OF WANT TO PUSH AGAIN
AS RELATED TO THIS IS WE HAVE
BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF OUR
CONVERSATIONS TALKING
ESSENTIALLY ABOUT THINGS
RELATED TO THE PIPELINE ISSUES
AND ALSO THE VP PIPELINE
ISSUES ARE ABOUT DEMOGRAPHICS
SO LIKE MINORITIES SEEKING OUT
MORE AND THAT KIND OF
UNDERLINES THE PHILOSOPHY
BEHIND ALL OF THESE
DISCUSSIONS IS THAT WE WANT TO
PLUG IN THESE BUT IN A BROAD
WORLD SENSE, WE DON'T WANT THE
PIPELINE TO LEAK AT ALL, WE
JUST DON'T WANT IT TO
DIFFERENTIALLY LEAK.
LIKE EVERY KID THAT ENTERS
SAOEUBZ SCHOOL CLASS SHOULD
NOT END UP BEING LIKE A NIH
FUNDED INVESTIGATOR.
AND SO MY SORT OF BROADER
POINT IS IT SHOULD BE EASY TO
ANALYZE WHERE WOMEN LEAK MORE
OR WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS
ACROSS DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS
BECAUSE THAT IS MORE AMENABLE
TO THE ANALYSIS.
BUT ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I
FEEL I HAVE LESS CLARITY ABOUT
IS WHAT THE NIH AND NIGMS
THINKS ABOUT AS LEAK CAGE FROM
ONE PART TO THE OTHER.
SO THE RENEWAL RATE SHOULDN'T
BE 0 BUT SHOULDN'T BE
100 PERCENT BECAUSE
100 PERCENT IS EITHER TOO
PICKY AND NOT GIVING PEOPLE
MUCH OPPORTUNITY AND THEN THE
R01 PERCENT IS WHERE PEOPLE
ARE JUST GETTING FUNDED AND
FUNDED AND FUNDED.
SO IS THERE SOME THOUGHT -- I
MEAN WHAT I SAW WAS LIKE
70 PERCENT OR SOMETHING, VERY
HIGH RATE AND YOU WOULDN'T
WANT TO -- LIKE WE DON'T TAKE
OUT 25 PERCENT GRADUATE SCHOOL
PROGRAMS SO LIKE 75 PERCENT
SHOULD BE HIGHER BUT YOU
WOULDN'T KEEP 75 PERCENT OF
THE PORTFOLIOS FROM ONE PAGE
TO THE NEXT AND SO LIKE WHAT
ARE THE THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT
SORT OF IS THE RIGHT LEVEL ON
AVERAGE FOR EVERYONE BEFORE WE
THINK ABOUT WOMEN VERSUS
MINORITIES ARE SORT OF
DIFFERENTIALLY DIFFERENT ON
THAT LEVEL.
>> I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT
QUESTION.
THE FRAMEWORK YOU LAYOUT IS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE M
IRA PROGRAM ALLOWS, RIGHT,
BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE FUNDED
BY BASICALLY ONE NIGMS GRANT
AND THE FUNDING THAT SUPPORTS
THEIR LAB, IT SIMPLIFIES THE
SYSTEM BECAUSE THEIR IN-FLOW
AND OUTFLOW, WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING, YOU DON'T HAVE
MULTIPLE GRANTS WHICH WOULD
COMPLICATE THAT ANALYSIS.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS
STRIKING WHEN YOU WERE LOOKING
AT THE ANALYSIS, YOU WERE SORT
OF COMPARING LIKE MIRA VERSUS
NONMIRA WITHIN ESTABLISHED AND
THEN SEPARATELY EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATORS BUT THE COHORT
WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THAT GROUP,
LOOKS LIKE THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS WERE PUBLISHED
AS MUCH AS EARLY INVESTIGATORS
SO CONSIDERING ESTABLISHED AND
NONESTABLISHED AND IT SEEMS AS
THOUGH ONE WAY TO DO READ
THAT DATA IS THERE IS TOO MANY
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK
AND LOOK AT THE DATA AND I
THINK THEY ARE SHIFTED OFF OF
EACH OTHER BUT TO YOUR EARLIER
POINT, THERE NEEDS TO BE A
OUTFLOW, IF YOU WILL, AND THAT
IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
YOU CAN'T -- IF THERE WAS A
100 PERCENT RENEWAL RATE, THAT
CANNOT BE A HEALTHY SYSTEM
BECAUSE HOW COULD YOU HAVE
ANYONE COMING INTO THE SYSTEM?
SO AT SOME LEVEL THE OUTFLOW
RATE NEEDS TO MATCH THE RATE
YOU WANT NEW PEOPLE COMING
INTO THE SYSTEM, THE PRIMARY
GROUP COMING IN AS NEW, RIGHT,
UNLESS YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNTS OF NEW FUNDING TO
INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE POOL.
RIGHT?
SO THOSE ARE THE PARTS OF THE
EQUATION WE'RE TRYING TO
BALANCE OF CAN I GIVE YOU THE
EXACT NUMBER OF WHAT THE
OUTFLOW RATE NEEDS TO BE.
WE HAVE MODELED IN THE PAST
BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF
VARIABLES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND
WHAT EXACTLY IT SHOULD BE.
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT,
100 PERCENT OBVIOUSLY -- OR
ZERO PERCENT ATTRITION IS NOT
AT ALL HEALTHY AND NOT GOING
TO WORK.
30PERCENT A YEAR, I MEAN --
[OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS]
-- TOO HIGH WHEN YOU ARE
TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE
GONE THROUGH A LOT OF VETTING
TO GET TO THE STAGE THEY ARE
AT, RIGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT
DEGREES, THEY GOT HIRED BY
ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS, THEY
THEN WERE SELECTED TO GET A
GRANT WITH THIS PEER REVIEW
PROCESS, SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN
THOSE TWO NUMBERS, I THINK, IS
THE RIGHT NUMBER.
>> OKAY.
>> BUT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS MAY
BE YOU BEING INTERESTED IN
MODELING, RIGHT?
IT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
WHAT DO YOU NEED THE RATE OF
PEOPLE LEAVING TO BE TO HAVE
THE SYSTEM HEALTHY?
>> YEAH, AND I THINK THAT IS
LESS ABOUT GETTING THE NUMBERS
MATCHING ON THE INSIDE AND THE
OUTSIDE, IT IS MORE LIKE
PEOPLE SHOULD LEAVE ONCE THEIR
RESEARCH POTENTIAL IS REVEALED
AS OPPOSED TO LOWERING THE
OPPORTUNITY.
>> AND IT SOUNDS VERY HARSH TO
SAY THAT BUT I THINK ONE OF
THE THINGS WE HAVE TO
RECOGNIZE IN THE PARADIGM OF
MIRA PROGRAM IS ALTHOUGH WE'RE
TRYING TO MAKE THINGS MUCH
MORE STABLE FOR INVESTIGATORS,
I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, THE
LEAVING PART IS PROBABLY GOING
TO BE MORE FINAL.
>> YEAH, I MEAN I THINK --
>> IT SHOULD BE RO1 PARADIGM,
YOU KEEP APPLYING AND YOU ARE
BOPPING IN AND OUT OF THE
SYSTEM ALL THE TIME AND THAT
IS PROBABLY NOT A VERY HEALTHY
PARADIGM FOR ANYBODY.
>> YEAH, AND THE SECOND SORT
OF PROXY POINT, YOU ARE MAKING
THESE MODULES AND PEOPLE WATCH
THESE BUT I FEEL A LOT OF
TIMES, LIKE WHEN I THINK OF
MYSELF AS A ENGINEER, THERE IS
THIS LOOMING TRANSITION FOR
OVERFLOW SO PART ONE OF THE
QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOME
STACK OVERFLOW FOR THESE SORT
OF CLOUD COMPUTING APPLIES TO
LIFE SCIENCE ISSUES AND ARE
THERE WAYS TO LIKE CREATE
RESOURCES THAT GET PEOPLE TO
BE MORE EFFICIENT INDEPENDENT
GOOGLERS?
>> GOOGLERS, IS THAT YOUR --
>> LIKE PROGRAMMING DATA
COUNT, JUST TO GET BETTER AT
GOOGLING WHAT I NEED INSTEAD
OF RIGHT NOW I CAN'T GOOGLE
ANYTHING BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW
WHAT I NEED AND HOW TO PROCESS
IT.
SO ANOTHER WAY TO KEEP IN MIND
WHAT ARE THE RESOURCES OUT
THERE AND CAN WE GET PEOPLE
TECHED UP TO A POSITION WHERE
THEY BECOME MORE INDEPENDENT
IN LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS?
>> GOOD QUESTION.
PART OF THE SAND BOX APPROACH
IS THAT THEY WILL ACTUALLY
INCORPORATE POSITIONS ON
THINGS YOU WILL WATCH,
INCORPORATE HANDS-ON WHERE
PEOPLE WILL BE I GUESS WRITING
CODE AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO
SEE HOW IT WORKS, SO THEY WILL
BE GETTING FAMILIAR.
WHERE WE LIKE TO EXPAND INTO
MORE THAN THAT, THERE IS REAL
DATA SETS THEY ARE LINKED TO
AND THEN THEY ARE ACTUALLY
TRYING TO DEVELOP WAYS TO
PROCESS THE DATA AS THEY ARE
LEARNING, RIGHT?
SO KIND OF MORE WHAT YOU ARE
SAYING, IS LIKE YOU KNOW
TESTING OUT YOUR OWN IDEAS AS
PART OF THE LEARNING PROCESS
IN A ENVIRONMENT THAT ALLOWS
YOU TO DO, YOU KNOW,
"EXPERIMENTS", IF YOU WILL,
AND SEE IF IT WORKS.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE WOULD LIKE
TO HEAD AS AN INTERMEDIATE
STAGE WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THE
ABILITY TO DO SOME OF THAT BUT
IN A MORE CONTROLLED WAY LIKE
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, TESTING
OUT TO SEE WHAT WORKS.
IN TERMS OF FINDING THE
RESOURCES YOU NEED,
ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW I THINK THERE ARE A
LOT OF RESOURCES OUT THERE
ALREADY THAT PEOPLE COULD FIND
BUT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE
MORE THAN ARE TARGETED TO THE
SCIENTIFIC THINGS THAT THEY
ARE DOING.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE
HEARD WAS THERE ARE RESOURCES
THAT ARE VERY GENERIC BUT TO
THE THING YOU WANT TO DO
SPECIFICALLY THAT IS
SCIENTIFIC, IT IS HARD TO MAKE
THE TRANSITION FROM THE
GENERIC ONE TO THE MORE
SPECIFIC ONE.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BRIDGE THAT
GAP AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANKS, DAVID?
>> THANKS, I WANTED TO ASK A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE
CLOUD COMPUTING WHICH I THINK
IS A REALLY NICE INITIATIVE.
AND IN PARTICULAR, I AM
CONCERNED IN A YOU HAVE THE
NICE TRAINING MODULES THAT
WILL GET PEOPLE INTO THE
RESEARCH BUT THEN THE NEXT
BARRIER IS PAYING FOR THE
CLOUD COMPUTING COSTS.
>> RIGHT.
>> AND SOMETHING WE HAVE
TALKED ABOUT IS WHETHER THERE
COULD BE A ADMINISTRATIVE VIEW
OF GRANTS THAT COULD BE
PROVIDED TO INVESTIGATORS TO
DO THE NEXT PHASE TO COVER THE
CLOUD COMPUTING COSTS AND IS
THAT ABLE TO BE WORKED ON AND
THOUGHT ABOUT?
>> YES, I THINK IT IS MORE
COST EFFECTIVE VERSUS WHAT IS
SAFE.
SO PART OF THIS PILOTING WE'RE
DOING IS TO SEE HOW DO WE GET
THE GUARDRAILS IN PLACE, IS IT
MORE EFFECTIVE FOR US TO, YOU
KNOW, SOMEHOW PAY THE
CLASSIFIER UPFRONT WITH A
CERTAIN AMOUNT AND THEN METER
THAT OUT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE
TO USE, IS IT MORE EFFECTIVE
TO GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE IN
THEIR GRANTS OR YOU ARE SAYING
IT IS SUPPLEMENTAL OR
ADDITIONAL GRANTS SO YOU ARE
ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE DON'T KNOW THE
RIGHT ANSWERS YET AND THAT IS
WHY WE'RE TRYING TO DO THESE
PILOTS TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST
WAY TO DO IT.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME IF NIH AND
NIGMS CAN BUY THE TIME AND
DOLE IT OUT TO INVESTIGATORS,
THAT SEEMS LIKE THE MORE COST
EFFECTIVE APPROACH.
>> IT MAY BE.
WE'LL SEE.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MODEL ON
SOME LEVEL IS EXPLORING,
RIGHT?
BUT DOES THAT SCALE, RIGHT?
I MEAN FOR A SMALL NUMBER OF
USERS, LIKE TRAINEES, IT MAY
WORK.
BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT,
YOU KNOW ACTUAL PEOPLE DOING
REAL COMPUTING INTENSIVE
RESEARCH WHERE THEY ARE GOING
TO BE USING A LOT OF COMPUTING
TIME, THAT MAY NOT SCALE AND
YOU MAY HAVE TO DO IT A
DIFFERENT WAY.
SO IT MAY NOT BE ONE SIZE FITS
ALL FOR EVERY KIND OF THING
YOU ARE TRYING TO DO.
>> I IMAGINE BECAUSE OF THE
DEM MOSTCRATIZATION IDEA AND
TRYING TO HELP OUT
INVESTIGATORS IN IDEA STATES,
MANY OF THEM PROBABLY DON'T
HAVE A HUGE REQUIREMENT FOR
COMPUTING AND SO -- BUT IT
STILL REPRESENTS A BARRIER SO
I THINK MAYBE TARGETING TO
INVESTIGATORS, YOU KNOW, WHO
NEED THAT ADDITIONAL HELP, ARE
IT MAY NOT COST A LOT BUT
WOULD REALLY OPEN OUT UP THE
ABILITY TO DO NICE RESEARCH.
>> YES, GREAT POINT, THANK
YOU.
>> THANKS.
>> NATALIE?
>> WELL, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE
YOU SOME FEEDBACK FROM
INVESTIGATORS I HAVE BEEN
TALKING TO ABOUT MIR AV.
IT IS BROADLY SUCCESSFUL, VERY
BROADLY VIEWED AS BEING ONE OF
THE MOST STABILIZING FORCES
FOR BASIC SCIENCES.
BUT IT IS VERY -- MOST OF THE
DISCUSSIONS I HAVE ARE PEOPLE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
GET INTO THE SYSTEM GIVEN THAT
THEY -- AND SO TO THE EXTENT
THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE
NUMBER OF ESTABLISHED MIRA
INVESTIGATORS, YOU KNOW, SOME
SORT OF WAY TO ALLOW PEOPLE
WHO PREVIOUSLY HAD R01S AND
WHO ARE IN THE AREA OF BASIC
SCIENCES TO QUALIFY FOR
APPLICATION AND ONE SPECIFIC
EXAMPLE I SAW WAS AN
INVESTIGATOR WHO HAD ACTUALLY
MADE IT TO NIGMS R01S BUT THEY
WERE MPIS AND EXCLUDED FROM
APPLYING AND IT WAS SORT OF
LIKE -- HE SAW IT AS A
CATCH-22 BECAUSE THE REASON HE
SET IT UP AS A MPI IS HE
THOUGHT NIH WANTED THE
COLLABORATION AND THEN GOT
BITTEN IN THE BUTT BECAUSE ALL
OF HIS GRANTS WERE DENIED.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER
THERE'S A MECHANISM TO DEAL
WITH THAT.
MY SUGGESTION TO HIM WAS
DURING THE NONCOMPETITIVE AS A
RULE, CHANGE HIS STATUS AND I
DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A DO
BELIEVE THING BUT IT PRECLUDED
HIM FROM ENTERING THE MIRA
PROGRAM.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THAT
IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE, THE
MPIS WE RECOGNIZE.
THEY DO MAKE THINGS
COMPLICATED FOR US BECAUSE
WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE MPI
INVESTIGATORS -- YOU KNOW,
WOULD WE DID HAVE A ROUND
WHERE WE WERE CONVERTING THEM
TO MIRAS AND THEN REALIZED
THAT WOULD BE MUCH TOO
COMPLICATED BECAUSE THERE WERE
THE OTHERS WHO DIDN'T GET M
IRA GRANTS AND DO WE GIVE ALL
THE MONEY TO THEM AND INCREASE
COSTS IN A WAY THAT ISN'T
NECESSARILY RIGHT SO WE WILL
KEEP WORKING ON THAT.
AND IN TERMS OF GETTING NEW
PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM,
COMPLETELY AGREE.
YOU MAY RECALL WE ARE
EXPANDING ELIGIBILITY IN THE
NEXT ROUND TO INCLUDE NEW
INVESTIGATORS SO THAT WON'T
GET AT THE POOL YOU MENTIONED
OF PEOPLE WHO PREVIOUSLY HAD
GRANTS BUT IT WILL, WE HOPE,
DIVERSIFY THE POOL SO PEOPLE
WHO AREN'T ESIS BUT HAVE NOT
HAD A MAJOR NIH GRANT WILL BE
ELIGIBLE.
>> AND I CAN SEE THE
HESITATION BECAUSE SORT OF
OPENING IT UP FURTHER ALLOWS
PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING --
[GARBLED] JUMP IN AND THEN
PUSH IT OUT TO BASIC SCIENCES.
I DON'T KNOW, MY SUGGESTION
MIGHT BE TO IDENTIFY THOSE WHO
ARE IN THAT SITUATION OF
HAVING 100 PERCENT MPI GRANTS
AND OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION
ON HOW IT MIGHT BE DONE.
>> THANK YOU TO ARE THAT AND
THE LAST WORD TO ALISON.
>> MY APOLOGIES, I MISSPOKE
EARLIER SO THE 8 PERCENT
INDIRECT COSTS IS FOR THE F --
FOR THE --
[INDISCERNIBLE]
, R00 USER DIRECT COSTS ARE
INSTITUTIONAL SO WHEN THEY
SUBMIT A TAILED BUDGET AT THE
TIME OF THE TRANSITION,
TYPICALLY THIS TRANSLATES INTO
100 TO $150,000 FOR DIRECT
COSTS.
WE WILL CERTAINLY TAKE BACK
YOUR COMMENT TO NIH CENTRAL
WHICH IS WE DON'T HAVE ANY
CONTROL OVER THIS POLICY ABOUT
HOW THIS CAN CAUSE DISCREPANCY
ACROSS INSTITUTIONS DEPENDING
ON WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL
TRANSITIONS SO THAT IS A GOOD
POINT.
IN TERMS OF THE JUST TYPICALLY
WHEN SOMEBODY DOES GET A
RESEARCH PROJECT GRANT, IT
TENDS TO HAPPEN IN THE FINAL
YEAR OF THE -- OF THE R00 SO
THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO FINISH
IT OUT AND TRANSITION TO
THE -- SO THAT IS MOSTLY HOW
IT HAPPENS ON THE WHOLE.
SO I -- THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN
A FEW MORE QUESTIONS I MISSED
AND I REALLY APOLOGIZE, I AM
SORT OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.
SO DOES THAT ANSWER ALL OF
YOUR QUESTIONS?
I KNOW THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT
ARE UNADDRESSED BUT WE CAN
TAKE THOSE CONCERNS BACK TO
NIH.
>> YEAH, I JUST WANTED A
CLARIFICATION ON THE INDIRECT
RATE ONCE YOU GET TO R00.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE I AM CORRECT
THAT --
>> YEAH, YOU ARE CORRECT,
YEAH.
>> IT IS VERY SPECIFIC
DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR SNA IS
WILL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH MONEY
YOU WILL GET BECAUSE YOUR
TOTAL COST CANNOT BE MORE THAN
$249,000 AND ANOTHER ISSUE I
THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK ON
IS WHETHER PEOPLE IN THE R00
HAVE TO GIVE UP THE R -- HAVE
TO GIVE UP THE -- PEOPLE WHO
APPLY AND GET AN R35 IF THEY
HAVE TO GIVE UP THE R00.
THAT CAUSES CONFUSION AMONG
THE MOSAIC SCHOLARS BECAUSE
THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO APPLY FOR THE R35,
YOU KNOW?
>> SURE.
>> BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE
GIVING UP MONEY.
>> RIGHT, GOT IT, SO I CAN
TAKE THAT -- THAT IS ON US, WE
REALLY NEED TO BETTER
ADVERTISE THAT, HOW TO DO
THOSE TRANSITIONS AND WHEN TO
APPLY AND ALSO SORT OF WHICH
CYCLES TO COME IN.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN
COMMUNICATE A LITTLE BETTER --
>> BUT I THINK THE EASIEST
THING IS JUST TO LET THEM
FINISH OUT THE R00, KEEP THE
MONEY, LIKE HANNAH GRAYS AND
OTHER TYPES OF SKILLS AND WE
DON'T WANT THE PROGRAMS TO BE
LOW RISK, YOU WANT IT ON PAR
AS THE OTHER PROGRAMS SO THAT
IS MY POINT.
>> GREAT POINT.
THANK YOU, SQUIRE.
OKAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON
NOW AND THANK YOU FOR THAT
VERY RICH DISCUSSION.
I THINK THAT WAS, AS ALWAYS,
VERY USEFUL.
SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO
CONCEPT CLEARANCES AND WE HAVE
QUITE THE NUMBER OF THEM AND I
AM GOING TO START WITH THE
ONES THAT ARE JUST REISSUANCES
OF CURRENT PROGRAMS WITH MINOR
OR NO CHANGES AND ERICA,
SHOULD WE TAKE A VOTE AFTER
EACH ONE OR AT THE END?
>> I WILL NEED TO GET A VOTE
ON EACH ONE.
>> OKAY, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OKAY, FIRST ONE IS A PROGRAM
YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT.
SCIENCE EDUCATION PROGRAM
AWARDS, SUPPORTS PRE-K THROUGH
12 CLASSROOM BASED AND
INFORMAL SCIENCE ACTIONIVITY
TO ENHANCE THE DIVERSITY OF
THE BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
WORKFORCE AND FOSTER A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH FUNDED BY NIH.
THERE ARE SEVERAL HIGH PROGRAM
AREAS TO S EPA THIS PERIOD.
FIRST IS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS
THAT PROVIDE ACCESS TO
RESEARCH GENERATED DATA TO
TRAIN STUDENTS IN THINGS YOU
WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE,
INFORMATICS, BIOINFORMA TICS
AND DATA SCIENCE CAREERS,
PROJECTS WITH EMBEDDED MATH
AND READING CONTENT FOR P-8
STUDENTS AND ADAPTATIONS OF
SUCCESSFUL SEPA PROGRAMS IN
NEW LOCATIONS OR POPULATIONS.
THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MAJOR
CHANGES FROM FOA, ONE I TOLD
YOU ABOUT THAT THEY
INCORPORATE OTHER NIH CENTERS
AND OFFICES THAT MAY
PARTICIPATE IN FUNDING
APPLICATIONS.
SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?
DON'T SEE ANY, ERICA, YOU WANT
TO CALL FOR THE VOTE?
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT OF FOA.
ARE ANY OPPOSED?
AND FOR VOTING, WE ASK YOU
RAISE YOUR HAND USING THE ZOOM
MODULES SO WE CAN SEE IT.
OKAY IT, LOOKS LIKE THE MOTION
IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED -- OH
WAIT, WE HAVE A COMMENT FROM
PAUL.
>> NO, SORRY, I WAS JUST
VOTING.
>> THE HAND RAISE IS TO
OPPOSE, TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
THANK YOU.
>> SO ARE YOU OPPOSING OR
VOTING FOR?
>> I AM VOTING FOR, SORRY.
>> SO I WILL CONCLUDE AGAIN,
THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
THEN THE SECOND ONE IS AN
ACOMPLIMENT TO THE MAIN SEPA
PROGRAM WHICH IS THE SMALL
BUSINESS PORTION OF SEPA WHICH
IS AN SIR AND SDIRFOA, IT
PROVIDERS OPPORTUNITIES FOR
ELIGIBLE SMALL BUSINESS
CONCERNS TO DEVELOP
INTERACTIVE DIGITAL MEDIA
SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
ENGINEERING AND MATH
MATHEMATICS, PRODUCTS THAT
ADDRESS STUDENT CAREER CHOICE
AND HEALTH AND MEDICINE
TOPICS.
TRANSLATION OF NEW OR EXISTING
HEALTH AND MEDICINE-BASED STEM
CURRICULA INTO EDUCATIONAL IDM
PRODUCTS THAT WILL PROVIDE
HANDS-ON AND LEARNING BY
EXPERIENCES FOR PRE-K TO GRADE
12 AND GENERAL PUBLIC.
NO SPWAPBTIVE CHANGES FROM
PREVIOUS FOA.
ERICA?
>> ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED TO
THE MOTION?
RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU ARE
OPPOSED.
IT IS EASIER TO CAPTURE IT
THIS WAY.
THANK YOU, THE MOTION IS
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
>> NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE RENEWALS
OF OUR PREDOCTORAL
INSTITUTIONAL TRAINING AWARDS
AND ARE THERE ARE TWO FLAVORS
OF THOSE, THE MAIN ONE WHICH
ARE THE BIOMEDICAL ONES
ALLOWING GRANTEES TO GET
FUNDING IN BIOMEDICAL PROGRAMS
AND THEN THERE IS THE DUAL
DEGREE SCIENTIST TRAINING
PROGRAMS.
THE PURPOSE OF BOTH PROGRAMS
IS TO DEVELOP A DIVERSE POOL
OF WELL TRAINED SCIENTISTS TO
MEET THE NATION'S BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH NEEDS AGENDA.
THEY SUPPORT ELIGIBLE DOMESTIC
INSTITUTIONS TO DEVELOP
APPROACHES FOR BIOSCIENCE
TRAINING AND THE GOAL IS TO
KEEP PACE WITH RAPID EVOLUTION
TO THE ENTERPRISE AND DON'T
JUST KEEP USING THE SAME MODEL
BUT H*EUPB KNOW STATE AND
EXPLORE NEW AND OPTIMIZED
MODELS AS THE SITUATION
EVOLVES.
WE EXPECT THE TRAINING
PROGRAMS TO INCORPORATE
DIDACTIC RESEARCH AND CAREER
DEVELOPMENT ELEMENTS THAT
PREPARE TRAINEES FOR CAREERS
THAT WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT
IMPACT ON THE HEALTH RELATED
RESEARCH AND NEEDS OF THE
NATION AND THAT IS THAT THEY
DON'T JUST PICK GOOD STUDENTS
BUT TRAIN THEM IN WAYS TO MAKE
THEM MORE EFFECTIVE
RESEARCHERS.
THE CHANGES THEY ARE PROPOSING
ARE MINOR AND JUST TO ALIGN
THE T32'S WITH OUR OTHER
TRAINING FOAS, SPECIFICALLY
THE RECRUITMENT PLAN TO
ENHANCE DIVERSITY AND THE
TRAINING AND RESPONSIBLE
PRODUCT RESEARCH PLAN FOR
SCORE DRIVING.
IN THE PAST THEY WERE
COMMENTED ON AS ACCEPTABLE OR
NOT ACCEPTABLE BUT NOW WILL BE
SCORE DRIVING WHICH WE ARE
DOING IN OTHER PROGRAMS AND
ACTUALLY SOMETHING THE
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PRESSING US
TO DO SO THIS IS GOING ALONG
WITH COMMUNITY INPUT.
SO ANY COMMENTS ON THOSE?
OKAY, DON'T HEAR ANY SO ERICA?
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE COPS
SEPTEMBER FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT OF FOA.
ARE ANY OPPOSED?
I
I THINK THE MOTION IS
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
THANK YOU.
>> NEXT SLIDE.
NOW WE HAVE A CONCEPT
CLEARANCE FOR A NEW PROGRAM
AND ACTUALLY NOT A NIGMS
PROGRAM BUT A PROGRAM COMING
OUT OF THE UNITE E COMMITTEE
WHICH I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY,
THE PART OF UNITE THAT IS
FOCUSING ON THE EXTRAMURAL
ECOSYSTEM AND COMBATING
STRUCTURAL RACISM IN THAT
ECOSYSTEM AND THE UNITE E
COMMITTEE IS CO-CHAIRED BY
MYSELF, ERICA BOONE AND AND
ORDONEZ.
SO JUST TO REMIND YOU, NEXT
SLIDE PLEASE, THE COMMITTEE
HAS THREE DIFFERENT -- OR FOUR
DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS OR
COMPONENTS.
THE ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
TODAY IS LOWER LEFT, RESEARCH
AND CAPACITY BUILDING AT
MINORITY INSTITUTIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO I THINK NO ONE WILL ARGUE,
I DON'T THINK, WITH THE FACT
THAT CUTTING-EDGE
INSTRUMENTATION IS ESSENTIAL
FOR AN INSTITUTION TO BE ABLE
TO CONDUCT BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
AND BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
TRAINING SO THIS REPRESENTS A
SIGNIFICANT BARRIER BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, PURCHASING AND
MAINTAINING THAT EQUIPMENT AND
OPERATING THAT EQUIPMENT IS
OFTEN NOT SOMETHING THAT THEY
HAVE THE RESOURCES IMMEDIATELY
TO DO.
AND SO THE COMMITTEE FELT
THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT OBSTACLE
TO ENHANCING THE RESEARCH AND
THE RESEARCH TRAINING
ENVIRONMENT AT UNDER RESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS AND PARTICULARLY
UNDERRESOURCED MINORITY
SERVING INSTITUTIONS.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO NIH RECENTLY STARTED A
PROGRAM WHICH IS CALLED THE
BASIC INSATION GRANT S-10
PROGRAM AND USES THE S-10
ACTIVITY CODE WHICH IS OPEN TO
INSTITUTIONS INCLUDING
LOWER-RESOURCED MINORITY
SERVING I BELIEVE SO R
INSTITUTIONS AND THE HOPE WAS
THAT IT WOULD INCREASE THE
NUMBER OF S-10 EQUIPMENT
GRANTS THESE KIND OF
INSTITUTIONS COULD COMPETE
FOR.
THIS IS MANAGED BY ORIP, A
LIMITED COMPETITION SO IT IS
ONLY OPEN TO INSTITUTIONS THAT
HAVE NOT RECEIVED 110
GRANTS -- 110 GRANTS OVER
$250,000 IN THE PAST THREE
YEARS, THE AWARDS RANGE 25,000
TO 250,000, A GROUP OF THREE
MAJOR USERS MUST BE MAINTAINED
WITH AN ACTIVE NIH RESEARCH
AWARD.
THAT IS A BARRIER TO MANY
UNDER RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS
WHO WANT TO USE A SPECIFIC
PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, ALL MUST
HAVE AN ACTIVE NIH RESEARCH
GRANT.
AND IN ADDITION, MAJOR USERS
SHOULD USE THE INSTRUMENT
25 PERCENT OR GREATER OF
ACCESSIBLE USER TIME SO THEY
HAVE TO BE VERY HEAVY USERS OF
THIS EQUIPMENT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA SO
FAR, KIND OF A NEW PROGRAM BUT
SO FAR FROM 2019 TO 21, ONLY
SIX ORIP AWARDS GIVEN TO
MINORITY SERVING INSTITUTIONS
THAT HAD LESS THAN $25 MILLION
IN NIH RESEARCH PROJECT GRAND
FUNDS SO THAT IS ONLY
1.6 PERCENT OF ALL S-10 AWARDS
AND ARE LESS THAN A THIRD OR
APPROXIMATELY A QUARTER OF
S-10 AWARDS THAT WENT TO MINOR
SERVING INSTITUTIONS, THOSE
LESS THAN 25 MILLION IN R RPG
FUNDING AND I WILL POINT OUT
28 PERCENT IS QUITE A
SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT SO
INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE NOT
ALREADY FAIRLY WELL
ESTABLISHED IN GETTING NIH
FUNDING, NOT GETTING MANY
EQUIPMENT GRANTS FROM NIH TO
SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THAT
RESEARCH CAPACITY AND
INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESEARCH
TRAINING INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO BASED ON THIS, THE
GROUP FELT THAT A TARGETED
PROGRAM WOULD ENCOURAGE
APPLICATIONS FROM LOWER
RESOURCED MINORITY SERVING
INSTITUTIONS AND HELP THEM
BUILD THEIR RESEARCH CAPACITY
AND THAT IN TURN WILL HELP
ENHANCE RESEARCH AND
EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES FOR
STUDENTS FROM UNDER
REPRESENTED GROUPS WHO ARE
ATTENDING THE MINORITY SERVING
INSTITUTIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO DEVELOP
AN EQUIPMENT GRANT FOA
TARGETED TO MINORITY SERVING
INSTITUTIONS WITH LIMITED
RESOURCES.
THE FOA WOULD HELP PRO VIED
INSATION TO HELP THEIR
RESEARCH CAPACITY, NIGMS HAS
AGREED TO SERVE AS LEAD IC TO
SUPPORT OVERALL COURT NATION
OF THE PROGRAM AND THE IDEA IS
OTHER ICS AT OTHER CENTERS
WOULD PARTICIPATE BY SIGNING
ON TO FOAS AND FUNDING AWARDS
ON THEIR OWN.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
A COUPLE OF OTHER
CONSIDERATIONS AND I THINK
RATIONALIZATIONS FOR WHY A
SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR EQUIPMENT
GRANTS TO UNDERRESOURCE
MINORITY SERVING INSTITUTIONS
ARE WARRANTED WOULD BE THAT
THE INSTRUMENTS MUST BE HOUSED
AT THE ELIGIBLE MINORITY
SERVING INSTITUTION SO THEY
WOULD BE THE OWNERS AND
OPERATORS OF IT.
BUT LOCAL COLLABORATIONS WITH
OTHER INSTITUTIONS WOULD NOT
JUST BE ALLOWED BUT
ENCOURAGED.
SO THE MAJOR USERS COULD BE
RESOURCED RESEARCHERS AT THE
MINORITY SERVING INSTITUTION,
OTHER THE SAME DEPARTMENT OR
SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS OR
DIVISIONS BUT ALSO FROM NEARBY
OR REGIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND
SO THAT REQUIREMENT OF THREE
MAJOR USERS OF NIH GRANTS AT
THE INSTITUTION WOULD BE
EASIER TO MEET BECAUSE
RESEARCHERS AT OTHER
INSTITUTIONS COULD BE SOME OF
THOSE MAJOR USERS BUT SHIFT OF
THE BALANCE THAT THE CENTER OF
GRAVITY IS SHIFTED FROM THE
INSTITUTIONS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE LOWER
RESOURCED INSTITUTION BECAUSE
THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE
EQUIPMENT AND THE BETTER
RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS WOULD
BE COMING TO THEM AND HAVING
TO COLLABORATE FROM THAT
ANGLE.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL USERS IN
THIS NEW VERSION PROGRAM
WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PRINCIPLE
INVESTIGATORS, THEY COULD BE
PEOPLE PARTICIPATING IN
TRAINING OR RESEARCH
EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS,
STUDENTS, POSTDOCS, ET CETERA,
AND THEREFORE WE WOULD BE
SPECIFICALLY RECOGNIZING
IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE NOT
JUST FOR THE RESEARCH PART OF
THE INSTITUTION BUT ALSO FOR
THE TRAINING AND EDUCATION
PART OF THE INSTITUTION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY
COMMENTS ON THIS PROPOSAL?
LESLIE?
>> OKAY, YEAH, WITH ANY BIG
EQUIPMENT, THERE ARE OFTEN THE
MAINTENANCE ASPECT, RIGHT,
SERVICE CONTRACTS, SO IS THERE
A MECHANISM WORKED INTO THAT
BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE EVEN AT
DAVIS WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH THE
SERVICE CONTRACTS FOR OUR
FANCY MARC SCOPES SO AT NSI,
IT WOULD BE EVEN HARDER TO
MAINTAIN THESE THINGS AFTER
THEY GET THEM.
>> YEAH, I THINK THAT IS
SOMETHING WE WILL HAVE TO BE
LOOKING AT.
IT IS AN EXCELLENT POINT AS WE
DEVELOP THE FO FOA AND COULD
SERVICE CONTRACTS BE
IMPLEMENTED AS PART OF THE FOA
WOULD BE PART OF THAT.
AND I THINK ANCILLARY
PROGRAMS, WAYS TO FUND
SERVICE, TECHNICIANS WITHIN
THE INSTITUTION WOULD BE
SOMETHING TO THINK OF AS WELL.
WHEN I WAS AN UNDERGRADUATE,
SOMEONE IN THE CHEMISTRY
DEPARTMENT WAS THE GURU OF ALL
THE ININS MULTIPLES
INSTRUMENTS AND KNEW HOW TO
SUPPORT THEM AND I WAS
INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL THERE WAS
THAT.
AND THERE MAY BE COLLABORATION
BETWEEN THE UNDER RESOURCED
INSTITUTION AND MAJOR
INSTITUTION TO PROVIDE
ECONOMIES OF SCALE IN THOSE
CAPACITIES TO CERTAINLY
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AS WE
DEVELOP THE PROGRAM.
DAVID?
>> SO ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM
OF FUNDING MAJOR USERS I THINK
IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND I
HYPOTHESIZE THAT MAY BE THE
BIGGEST BARRIER TO HIS TANS
TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.
SO YOU HAVE ON THE SLIDE THAT
USERS COULD BE A EDUCATIONAL
PROGRAM OR ENDEAVOR, COULD THE
UNDER USER BE THE EDUCATIONAL
MEMBER OR MEMBER FROM THE LAB?
>> I THINK THAT IS A GOOD IDEA
AND WOULD BE A UNIQUE ASPECT
OF THIS PROGRAM IN PARTICULAR.
>> I THINK THAT IS GREAT AND
IF YOU ARE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT
THAT AN ONGOING TEACHER
PROGRAM COULD BE A MAJOR
USER --
>> I THINK THAT IS VERY
IMPORTANT AND MAKE SURE THAT
GETS SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT,
A GREAT POINT.
SQUIRE?
>> YES, AS LONG AS WE ARE
FACTORING, IT IS HARD TO SAY
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DID
YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE
AT LEAST THREE PEOPLE WITHIN
NIH GRANTS TO APPLY?
>> THAT IS THE CURRENT PROGRAM
AT ORIP.
ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THE
PROGRAMMING IS TO MODIFY AND
HAVE DIFFERENT ONES.
>> SO NOBODY WOULD HAVE TO
HAVE A NIH GRANT?
>> WE COULD --
>> I MEAN, I DON'T -- AT A RO1
INSTITUTION WHERE NOBODY HAS A
NIH GRANT, RIGHT, I THINK THAT
IS A POTENTIAL BARRIER.
>> YEAH, I THINK YOU ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
I AGREE.
>> OKAY.
>> AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE TO
THINK ABOUT HOW TO BALANCE
WHAT LESLIE SAID, MAKING SURE
THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES TO
SUPPORT THE INSTRUMENT AND
MAINTAIN IT AND --
>> ABSOLUTELY, THAT IS A VERY
GOOD POINT, YEAH.
[OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS]
YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T
WANT TO INVEST AND THEN CAN'T
MAINTAIN IT.
>> EXACTLY RIGHT OR NOBODY IS
ACTUALLY GOING TO USE IT AND
IT WILL JUST SIT THERE SO I
THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT
POINTS ABOUT IT, TO MAKE SURE
THAT, YOU KNOW, CORRECT
INFORMATION IS REQUESTED IN
THE APPLICATION AND ASSESSED
BY THE PANEL TO MAKE SURE
THOSE THINGS ARE ALL MET.
>> YEAH, IT IS A BIT OF A
SLIPPERY SLOPE BECAUSE
EDUCATORS, YOU DO IT FOR
EDUCATION AND THAT WOULD BE A
WIN FOR EVERYBODY BUT THERE IS
NO MONEY THEN FOR THE STUDENTS
THAT ARE BEING TRAINED TO
ACTUALLY DO REAL RESEARCH
PROJECTS.
>> YEAH.
>> SO ALL BECAUSE SORT OF
ALMOST, YOU KNOW,
ARTIFICIAL -- SO THEY KIND
OF -- THIS IS HOW YOU WOULD
USE THE MACHINE IF WE ACTUALLY
COULD USE THIS TO DO AN ACTUAL
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH PROJECT.
>> BUT THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES
OF MONEY THESE PEOPLE HAVE.
>> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING,
SO IF THEY COULD JUSTIFY WHAT
FUNDS AND PROJECTS WOULD BE
ENHANCED, YEAH.
>> YEAH AND ENGINE WE CAN
CERTAINLY BROADEN THE NIH
FUNDING AND I THINK THOSE ARE
EXCELLENT POINTS AND WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RIGHT
BALANCE IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING
FOR IN PUTTING IN THE FOA.
PAMELA?
>> YES, THANK YOU.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- SO A
LOT OF THESE ADVANCES REALLY
MAKE IT POSSIBLE SO THAT'S
REALLY TO BE APPLAUDED.
THE OTHER JUST SORT OF
COMPARING SOME OF THE NSF
MAJOR RESEARCH INSATION INS
INSTRUMENTATION PROGRAMS THAT
ARE POSSIBLE DON'T HAVE
25 PERCENT USAGE OF THE
EQUIPMENT AND YET YOU COULD
HAVE AS SQUIRE I WANTED
INDICATED, YOU COULD HAVE A
PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS
REALLY MAJOR IMPACT BUT IN
SECTIONS OF MULTIPLE PROJECTS.
AND THAT MODEL HAS BEEN
IMMENSELY HELPFUL TO
INCREASING THE CAPACITY OF
SOME OF THE INSTITUTIONS OF
THE NSIS.
>> EXCELLENT AND I THINK AGAIN
THAT IS WHY THIS NEW FOA IS
WARRANTED SO THAT WE WOULD NOT
HAVE TO HAVE THAT 25 PERCENT
USAGE REQUIREMENT, ARE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. LAURA?
>> THERE IS OBVIOUSLY
ENTHUSIASM FOR IT SO THAT IS
COOL.
I AM WONDERING IF THE USER
JUSTIFICATION COULD BE A TEAM
OF INVESTIGATORS THAT ARE
REALLY CLEARLY ALIGNED WITH
AN INSTITUTIONAL PRIORITY AREA
BECAUSE THAT WAY THERE COULD
BE OTHER INVESTMENT FROM AN
INSTITUTIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO
AMPLIFY YOUR INVESTMENT AND
SPRING BOARD THAT POTENTIALLY
AND THEN MIGHT ALSO
COLLECTIVELY STIMULATE A
REASONABLE AMOUNT OF FUNDING
FROM OTHER FOUNDATIONS OR
RESOURCES OUTSIDE OF NIH OF
THAT CRITICAL MASS.
MAKE ANY SENSE?
>> MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
YOU COULD THINK OF PROJECTS TO
DO SURVEILLANCE FOR VIRUSES
AND JUSTIFYING SEQUENCING, YOU
KNOW, EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA.
YEAH.
AND I THINK IT ALSO BRINGS UP
THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHO
ELSE COULD BE USING THAT
FACILITY?
COULD IT BE STATE LABS THAT
HAVE A NEED FOR SOME KIND,
COULD IT BE INDUSTRY, LOCAL
SMALL BUSINESSES, I THINK WE
NEED TO EXPLORE SOME OF THESE
POTENTIALS TO SEE WHO ELSE
COULD HELP SUPPORT IT AND USE
IT.
GREAT POINT.
OKAY, THAT WAS A GREAT
DISCUSSION.
ERICA?
DO YOUR THING.
>> OKAY, I MOVE WE APPROVE
THIS CONCEPT FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT AS AN FOA.
ARE ANY OPPOSED?
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED, THANK
YOU.
>> AND THOSE WERE EXTREMELY
HELPFUL COMMENTS WE HAVE
CAPTURED AND WILL DEFINITELY
INCORPORATE AS WE MOVE FORWARD
WITH THE -- SO THANK YOU ALL
VERY MUCH.
I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WILL
TAKE A SHORT BREAK SO WHY
DON'T WE COME BACK AT 11: 15
AND WE WILL CONTINUE WITH SOME
MORE CONS ZEST -- CONCEPT
CLEARANCES SO THANK YOU ALL
AND WE'LL SEE YOU AT 11: 15.
WELCOME BACK.
WE ARE NOW GOING TO KEEP GOING
WITH THE CONCEPT CLEARANCES AND
WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM
DOROTHY BECKETT WHO IS GOING TO
TALK TO US ABOUT THE
BTDD PROGRAM WHICH IS NOT A NEW
PROGRAM BUT THERE ARE SOME
CHANGES WE'RE PROPOSING AND WE
MOSTLYT TO JUST REMIND
PEOPLE OF THE PROGRAM.
DOROTHY?
>> OKAY, SO, MY NAME'S DOROTHY
BECKETT AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF
THE DCBG HERE AT NIGMS AND TODAY
I WILL TALK ABOUT THE REISSUANCE
OF FUNDING ANNOUNCEMENT FOR THE
BTDD PROGRAM, SO THE
BTDD PROGRAM IS THE BIOMEDICAL
TECHNOLOGY AND DEVELOPMENT AND
DISSEMINATION.
I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THE
PURPOSE AND HOW THIS PROGRAM
WORKS AND THE CHANGES WE WILL
MAKE IN THE FOA, OR WE'RE
PLANNING TO.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THESE
CENTERS?
AS PART OF OUR TECHNOLOGY
DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE AND THE
IDEA IS TO SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT
OF LATE STAGE TECHNOLOGIES THAT
HAVE BROAD UTILITY FOR
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH, ONCE THEIR
FEASIBILITY HAS BEEN
ESTABLISHED.
AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT THE
PURPOSE IS TO DISSEMINATE THESE
TECHNOLOGIES TO THE WIDER
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH COMMUNITY SO
THAT THEY COULD USE THEM.
SO THE IDEA IS TO ESTABLISH A
MEANS OF SUPPORTING CENTERS THAT
ARE AT THE MEETING EDGE OF THEIR
FIELDS WITH RESPECT TO BOTH
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT AND
ENGAGEMENT WITH RELEVANT
RESEARCH COMMUNITIES AND
FINALLY, IS TO DISSEMINATE THESE
TECHNOLOGIES IN A SUSTAINABLE
MANNER AND PROVIDE USER
TRAINING, SO, ULTIMATELY, THE
IDEA IS THAT THESE CENTERS WILL
PUT THEMSELVES OUT OF BUSINESS
BY MAKING--BY BRINGING THE
TECHNOLOGY TO A STAGE AT WHICH
IT CAN BE BROADLY UTILIZED BUT
EQUALLY IMPORTANT BY PROVIDING
USER TRAINING IN THE CORRECT USE
OF THE TECHNOLOGY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO HOW DO THESE CENTERS WORK?
THEY ARE--IT'S INTEGRATION OF 3
COMPONENTS, BUT IT IS A SINGLE
RESEARCH EFFORT THAT
INCORPORATES TECHNOLOGY
DEVELOPMENT, BY O MEDICAL
RESEARCH PROJECTS AND COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT.
SO FIRST I'M GOING TO DISCUSS
HOW THE TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT
IS INTEGRATED WITH THE RESEARCH
PROJECTS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THE IDEA IS THAT THROUGH THE
COUPLING OF THE TECHNOLOGY
DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH
DRIVING BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH
PROJECTS, YOU REFINE AND
OPTIMIZE THE TECHNOLOGY.
AND ON THE TECHNOLOGY
DEVELOPMENT PROJECT SIDE, THE
TDDs, THIS MUST--THEY SHOULD
BE LATE STAGE TECHNOLOGIES THAT
ARE AT THE STAGE OF
OPTIMIZATION.
THE FOCUS CAN BE ON A SINGLE
SECNOLOGY OR AN INTEGRATED
TECHNICAL APPROACH.
AND THE CENTERS MAY UTILIZE
SHORT-TERM TECHNOLOGY
PARTNERSHIPS TO ACCELERATE THE
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT.
AND ON THE DRIVING BIOMEDICAL
PROJECT SIDE, THESE ARE TEST
BEDS, SO BASICALLY, THE
TECHNOLOGY IS CHALLENGED BY THE
DRIVING BIOMEDICAL PROJECTS.
THEY SHOULD ADDRESS A RANGE OF
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH QUESTIONS,
OBVIOUSLY RELEVANT TO THE
TECHNOLOGY AND THE BTDD SHOULD
HAVE A GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION
AND THESE PROJECTS SHOULD BE
INDEPENDENTLY FUNDED SO AGAIN,
THROUGH THE ITERATIVE
INTERACTION, THE INTERACTION
BETWEEN THE TDPs AND THE
DDPs, YOU OPTIMIZE THE
TECHNOLOGY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND A VERY LARGE COMPONENT OF
THESE CENTERS IS COMMUNITY
ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, POINT
IS TO BROADLY DISSEMINATE THIS
TECHNOLOGY AND YOU'RE GOING TO
DISSEMINATE IT THROUGH TRAINING,
THROUGH MECHANISMS OF
DISSEMINATION AND ALSO THERE IS
AN OPTIONAL COMPONENT WHICH IS
THAT YOU CAN ENGAGE THE BROADER
COMMUNITY THROUGH COLLABORATIONS
AND SERVICE PROJECTS WITH THE
MORE MATURE COMPONENTS OF THE
TECHNOLOGY.
SO IN THE TRAINING, THE IDEA IS
TO ENHANCE THE USER
UNDERSTANDING OF THE TECHNOLOGY,
IT SHOULD BE GEARED TOWARD BOTH
EXPERTS AND NONEXPERTS AND THE
IDEA OF COURSE IS TO CREATE A
LARGE USER COMMUNITY OF
NONSPECIALISTS AND RESEARCHERS.
DISSEMINATION CAN TAKE MANY
FORMS.
THESE CENTERS CAN DIRECTLY
TRANSFER THEIR TECHNOLOGIES TO
OTHER LABORATORIES.
THEY SHOULD PUBLICIZE THE
TECHNOLOGY THROUGH USER FRIENDLY
WEBSITES AND OTHER MECHANISMS
AND THEY CAN HAVE PARTNERSHIPS
OR THEY CAN FILE PATENTS, THEY
CAN ALSO LICENSE THE TECHNOLOGY
TO INDUSTRIAL PARTNERS.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHAT ARE THEIR CHANGES THAT
WE'RE PROPOSING IN THE PROGRAM.
THE PROGRAM AS YOU SAW, THE
ORIGINAL ANNOUNCEMENT WAS
RELEASED IN 2020.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IN
THE NEXT RELEASE IS TO CLARIFY
THE MEANING OF OR THE INTENT OF
LATE STAGE TECHNOLOGIES, YOU
KNOW WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN EARLY AND LATE STAGE.
ADVERTISE THE BREDTH OF THE
TECHNOLOGY AREAS THAT ARE
SUPPORTED BY THE NIGMS
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS,
IN ORDER TO--THE SECOND POINT IS
IN ORDINANCE NUMBER TORE
EMPHASIZE THE LATE STAGE NATURE
OF THE TECHNOLOGY, WE WANT TO
CHANGE THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM
FROM BTDD TO BTOD WHICH IS
BIOMEDICAL TECHNOLOGY
OPTIMIZATION AND DISSEMINATION
AND LIKEWISE CHANGE THE TDPs
TO TECHNOLOGY OPTIMIZATION
PROJECTS OR TOPs.
AND FINALLY WE WOULD LIKE TO
SIMPLIFY THE REVIEW PROCESS AS
MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
NEXT SLIDE.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR ATTENTION.
IF HAVE YOU ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR
HAND.
>> THANK YOU DOROTHY.
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
>> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS,
THEN ERICA IT'S IN YOUR HANDS.
>> OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE MAKE A
MOTION TO MOVE THESE, ANY
OPPOSE?
>> MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED.
THANK YOU MUCH.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH DOROTHY.
NEXT ALEXANDRA AINSZTEIN IS
GOING TO TALK TO ABOUT THE TEAM
SCIENCE COLLABORATIVE GRANT.
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, THIS
IS THE REISSUANCE OF P A R2103,
THE NIGMS COLLABORATIVE PROGRAM
GRANT FOR MULTIDISCIPLINARY
TEAM.
I AM ALEXANDRA AINSZTEIN, AND
I'M THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR FOR
THIS PROGRAM.
SO JUST A BIT OF BACKGROUND
FIRST.
WE ARE NOT INTENDING ANY MAJOR
CHANGES TO THIS PROGRAM BUT
WE'RE USING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO
REMIND THE COMMUNITY OF THIS
PROGRAM AND THE KEY FEATURES OF
IT.
THIS PROGRAM WAS FIRST STARTED
IN 2017 AND THIS IS THE SECOND
REISSUANCE, THIS PROGRAM COVERS
ALL THE RESEARCH WITHIN THE
NIGMS MISSION AND A LINK TO THE
COMPLETE LIST OF AWARDED GRANTS
AND RESOURCES INCLUDING WEBINARS
AND FAQs CAN BE FOUNDOT NIGMS
WEBSITE, AT THIS LINK.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO
SUPPORT AMBITIOUS AND
CHALLENGING PROJECTS THAT WILL
SOLVE SIGNIFICANT BIOMEDICAL
PROBLEMS THAT CANNOT BE
ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH INDIVIDUAL
AWARDS LIKE RO1s.
MULTIDISCIPLINARY TEAM IS KEY TO
THIS PROGRAM WITH TEAMS COMPOSED
OF 3 TO 6 INVESTIGATORS WITH
SHARED SCIENTIFIC LEADERSHIP AND
MANAGEMENT RESPONSIBILITIES,
CONSIDERABLE TEAM INTERACTIONS
ARE REALLY KEY A SINGLE WELL
IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD GREATED SET
OF AIMS AND A BUDGET SHOULD BE
PRESENTED.
THERE ARE NO SUBPROJECTS
PERMITTED.
THERE SHOULD BE CO
COLLABORATIONS FUNDED.
THERE IS AN OPTION TO ADD NEW
ESI TEAM MEMBERS IN FUTURE YEARS
AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND
THEIR INITIAL GOALS OF THE GRANT
AND THE EXPERTISE OF THE TEAM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO JUST A FEW FEATURES OF
AWARDED APPLICATIONS.
EACH PI SHOULD BE COMMITTED TO
TEAM SCIENCE AND BE WILLING TO
DEVOTE A MAJOR PART OF THEIR
RESEARCH EFFORT TO THIS TEAM
PROJECT.
TEAM SCIENCE APPROACH MUST BE
ESSENTIAL FOR ACHIEVING THE
GOALS IN THE APPLICATION.
AIMS AND GOALS MUST BE WITHIN
THE NIGMS MISSION INCLUDING
GENERALIZABLE, FUNDAMENTAL BASIC
RESEARCH AND A LIMITED NUMBER OF
CLINICAL AREAS THAT AFFECT
MULTIPLE ORGAN SYSTEMS.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S AVAILABLE, OUR
MISSION IS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE
FIRST LINK THAT I SHOWED YOU ON
OUR WEBSITE.
A COHESIVE TEAM WITH AN
INTEGRATIVE APPROACH FOR EACH
BIOLOGICAL QUESTION POSED AND AN
EFFECTIVE TEAM MANAGEMENT
STRUCTURE TO ACHIEVE THESE
PROGRAM GOALS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THIS IS THE ESTIMATED
TIMELINE OF THE FOA, WILL EXPIRE
IN JANUARY OF 2023.
THE CONCEPT CLEARANCE IS BEING
DONE TODAY, THE FIRST RECEIVED
IN MAY OF 2023 WITH THE FIRST
AWARDS BEING DONE IN APRIL OF
2024.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR
ALEXANDRA?
>> I THINK 1 TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER
I WILL JUST NOTE IS THAT WE FEEL
LIKE WE FUNDED A NUMBER OF
THINGS THAT WE DO MEET THAT
ALEXANDRA LAID OUT BUT WE ALSO
FEEL THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF
APPLICATIONS THAT DON'T MEET
THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND SO, PART
OF THE GOAL HERE WAS TO TRY TO
HELP GET OUT TO THE COMMUNITY
AGAIN, WHAT IT IS WE ARE LOOKING
FOR AND WHAT IT IS WE'RE NOT
LOOKING FOR SO I THINK SHE DID A
NICE JOB LAYING THAT OUT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
OKAY.
ERICA?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS AN FOA, ARE THERE ANY
OPPOSED?
OKAY, THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED.
>> GREAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH ALEXANDRA.
NEXT WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM
MING WHO IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT
A COUPLE OF CONCEPT CLEARANCES,
1 FOR THE NARCH PROGRAM ITSELF
AND THE FIRST OF WHAT WILL BE
SEVERAL ANCILLARY PROGRAMS
RELATED TO NARCH THAT CAME FROM
THE TRIBAL EVALUATION AND
CONSULTATION.
MING?
>> THANK YOU, JOHN.
HELLO EVERYONE.
AS JOHN JUST MENTIONED, I AM
GOING TO--FOR HEALTH OR NARCH,
FOA, THE SECOND IS ISSUANCE OF
THE NEW FOA TO SUPPORT PLANNING
GRANTS THAT HELP DEVELOP NARCH
APPLICATIONS.
SO YOU MAY--NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
YOU MAY RECALL THAT NIGMS
CONDUCTED AN EVALUATION OF THE
NARCH PROGRAM FOR THE PURPOSE OF
STRENGTHENING THE PROGRAM.
THE EVALUATIONS STARTED WITH A
COLLECTION OF A COMPREHENSIVE
SET OF DATA ON NARCH PROGRAM
PERFORMANCE AND OUTCOMES.
THEN, A COUNCIL WORKING GROUP
LED BY DARREN AKENS AND THE
[INDISCERNIBLE] ANALYZED THE
DATA AND DEVELOPED
RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEN THEY PRESENTED THEIR
FINDINGS AND A RECOMMENDATIONS
TO THE [INDISCERNIBLE] EDGE
TRIBAL ADVISORY COMMITTEES FOR
INPUT.
AFTER THAT NIGMS DIRECTOR JOHN
LORSCH HELD A FORMAL
CONSULTATION WITH TRIBAL
LEADERS.
FOLLOWING THE CONSULTATION, THE
TRIBAL LEADERS PROVIDED THEIR
FORNLAL FEEDBACK IN WRITING
WHICH HELPED GM DEVELOP
IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WAS
PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BY JOHN
LAST SEPTEMBER AND THE PLAN HAS
BEEN POSTED ON GM WEBSITE WHICH
IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE
TRIBAL LEADERS FEEDBACK.
WE RECOGNIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF
NARCH AS THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT'S PREMIER PROGRAM
THAT IT CAN HOUSE RESEARCH FOR
AMERICAN INDIANS AND ALASKA
NATIVES AND IT ASKED US TO
EXPAND THE PROGRAM IN SEVERAL
IMPORTANT ASPECTS.
FIRST, IS TO INSURE THAT
RESEARCH AND THE CAPACITY
BUILDING SUPPORTED BY THE
PROGRAM ARE PRIMARILY CONDUCTED
BY TRIBAL NATIONS OR
ORGANIZATIONS INSTEAD OF THEIR
ACADEMIC COLLABORATORS.
THEY ALSO WANT TO SEE AN
EXPANSION IN APPLICANT AND
GRANTEE POOLS.
REMIND YOU THERE ARE 574
ELIGIBLE TRIBAL NATIONS IN THE
COUNTRY, ALSO THAT THIS
EXPANSION IS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED
BY REDUCING THE COMPLEXITY OF
APPLICATIONS AND EFFORTS TO
DEVELOP NEW APPLICANTS AND OF
COURSE, THEY EXPECT ADDITIONAL
FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE BIGGER
GRANTEE POOL.
THEY ALSO WANT TO SEE LARGE
PROGRAM TO SUPPORT A/AN TRAINEES
STARTING HIGH SCHOOL AND
STRENGTHEN ITS SUPPORT OF LEVELS
OF COLLEGE AND ABOVE.
AND IMPORTANTLY THEY EXPECT THE
CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE REVIEWED
GUIDELINES LISTED AT THE BOTTOM
OF THE SLIDES THAT WAS DEVELOPED
BY NIH AFTER THEY ARE FULLY
IMPLEMENTED IN FUTURE AND LARGE
APPLICATION REVIEW.
AND FINALLY, THEY WANT TO HAVE
TRIBAL CONCELTATION AS A REGULAR
ACTIVITY OF NARCH PROGRAM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO IN RESPONSE TO THE TRIBAL
LEADERS REBUT, GM PLANS TO
STRENGTHEN THE NARCH PROGRAM
WITH A COLLECTION OF NEW FUNDING
INITIATIVES THAT ADDRESS VARIOUS
NEED.
AS PART OF THE PLAN, I WILL
DISCUSS THE TOP 2 ON THE LIST,
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO FIRST THE NARCH PROGRAM.
THE OBJECTIVE OF THE PROGRAM
HAVE BEEN AND WILL REMAIN TO BE
TO SUPPORT HEALTH RESEARCH
PRIORITIZED BY AI/AN
COMMUNITIES.
TO PROMOTE HEALTH EQUITY FOR
AI/AN POPULATIONS, TO BUILD
CAPACITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE
WITHIN TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS TO
ENGAGE IN HEALTH RESEARCH AND TO
DEVELOP A CADRE OF SCIENTISTS
AND RESEARCH RESEARCH
PROFESSIONALS COMMITTED TO AI/AN
HEALTH RESEARCH.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OBJECTIVES OF THE PROGRAM REMAIN
THE SAME.
WE WILL CONSIDER A NUMBER OF
PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES IN THE NEW
FOA FOR IMPROVEMENT EXPECTED BY
THE TRIBAL LEADERS.
ONE IS TO ENCOURAGE AI/AN
ORGANIZATIONS TO LEAD AND
CONDUCT A NARCH SUPPORTED
ACTIVITIES BY INCREASING THE
PORTION OF AWARD BUDGET TO BE
SPENT FOR AI/AN ORGANIZATIONS.
CURRENTLY THAT NUMBER STANDS AT
30% AND WE'RE TO CONSIDER
INCREASE THAT.
ANOTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS TO
PROVIDE CLEAR INSTRUCTION TO
BOTH APPLICANTS AND THE
REVIEWERS THAT ENCOURAGE
RESEARCH APPROACHES THAT ARE
CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE FOR AI/AN
COMMUNITIES.
WE WILL ALSO CONSIDER EXPANDING
EVALUATION CRITERIA TO INCLUDE
NONTRADITIONAL ACADEMIC
INDICATORS SUCH AS APPLICATIONS,
IMPACT ON TRIBAL HEALTH AND
HEALTH POLICY AND APPLICANT AND
GRANTEES COMMUNITY SERVICE AND
TRIBAL LEADERSHIP ROLE AS FOR
SUCCESSFUL MEASURES.
WE WILL SUPPORT K-12 STEM
EDUCATION ACTIVITIES IN ADDITION
TO SUPPORT TO COLLEGE LEVEL AND
ABOVE TRAINING.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE WILL MAKE AN EFFORT TO
INCLUDE CULTURALLY APPROPRIATE
REVIEW LANGUAGE IN REVIEW
CRITERIA OF THE NEW FOA AND TO
WORK WITH OUR COLLEAGUES IN CSR,
TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY--THOSE
NEW GUIDELINES ARE ADAPTED OR
IMPLEMENTED.
FURTHER MORE, WE WILL MAKE SURE
THAT RESEARCH, CAPACITY BUILDING
AND CAREER ENHANCEMENT, THOSE
ARE 3 PILLARS OF THE NARCH
PROGRAM, THE EXPERTISE IN ALL 3
AREAS, ALL REPRESENTED IN REVIEW
[INDISCERNIBLE].
FURTHER MORE, WE WILL MAKE THE
FOA ACTIVITY EVERY YEAR IN OTHER
WORDS TO ACCEPT APPLICATIONS,
EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF THE
CURRENT 2 YEARS ON, 2 YEARS OFF
ARRANGEMENT AND EXTEND AWARD
FROM 4-5 YEARS.
IT WILL SIMPLIFY APPLICATION
WITH CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS AND
STREAMLINE REQUIREMENT FOR
APPLICATIONS AND FINALLY, WE
WILL ALSO STREAMLINE
ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS TO SPEED
UP THE WORK ISSUING TO THE
GRANTEE INSTITUTIONS.
WITH THE NEW FOA WILL MAKE A
SERIES OUTREACH EFFORT TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY IS WELL
INFORMED ABOUT ALL THE CHANGES
IN THE NEW FOA FOR THEIR
OPERATION FOR THE NEXT
APPLICATION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THAT'S FOR NARCH.
I WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND
CONCEPT THAT IS FOR THE NEW
INITIATIVE TO FUND PLANNING
GRANTS FOR NARCH APPLICATIONS
FOR TRIBEs OR TRIBAL COMMUNITY
ORGANIZATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE
NARCH AWARD CURRENTLY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THE GOAL FOR THIS NEW
INITIATIVE IS TO INCREASE MEMBER
OF THIS NEW NARCH APPLICATIONS
SO THE TARGET AUDIENCE APPLICANT
WILL BE THE FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED
TRIBES AND TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS
THAT DON'T HOLD ACTIVE NARCH
AWARD CURRENTLY.
THE INITIATIVE OR NEW AWARD MAY
SUPPORT ACTIVITIES INCLUDE
EFFORT TO DEFINE RESEARCH
QUESTIONS AND DEVELOP PLANS TO
ANSWER THEM, NEEDS ASSESSMENT
FOR CAPACITY-BUILDING AND CAREER
ENHANCEMENT BY THE NARCH
PROGRAM, EFFORT TO STRENGTHEN
OFFICE OF TO SPONSOR PROGRAMS TO
SUPPORT APPLICATION SUBMISSION
AND GRANTS MANAGEMENT AND EFFORT
TO SECURE EXTERNAL SUPPORT FOR
DEVELOPING NARCH APPLICATIONS
INCLUDING IDENTIFYING CONSULTING
CONTRACTORS AND COLLABORATORS AS
WELL AS TRAVEL AND MEETINGS.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL BE HAPPY
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> THANKS, MING.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS?
TERRY?
>> HI, MING, IF I REMEMBER
CORRECTLY WHEN WE HEARD THE
ORIGINAL PRESENTATION, THERE WAS
ALSO AN ISSUE THAT WHEN AN
ORGANIZATION RECEIVED THE AWARD
THEY ALMOST NEVER WENT IN FOR
RENEWAL, IF I REMEMBER THAT
CORRECTLY, IF SOMEONE HAS A
LAPSED FORMER AWARD, THEY WOULD
BE ELIGIBLE TO STILL GET THE
PLANNING GRANT BECAUSE I HAPPEN
TO BE A BIG FAN OF PLANNING
GRANTS.
I THINK THEY ARE REALLY
INSPIRATIONAL IN GETTING PEOPLE
TOGETHER THAT MIGHT NOT BE
WILLING TO PUT IN THE EFFORT ON
A BIG GRANT.
>> YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.
THE 1S WHO HAD 1 WHO IS
CURRENTLY GAP OR THE 1S WITH
APPLIED ACTUALLY NEVER
SUCCEEDED, THEY ARE ALL ELIGIBLE
FOR THE PLANNING GRANT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> DARRIN?
>> YEAH, AS A CO-CHAIR OF THIS
COMMITTEE WHICH WAS A VERY LONG
PROCESS, I JUST WANT TO THANK
MING, YOU AND JOHN AND THE WHOLE
STAFF, I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE
EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED OVER A
VERY LONG TOWARD HAS BEEN I
THINK INCORPORATED IN A VERY
SUCCINCT VERY WELL WAY SO I WANT
TO GIVE YOU KUDOS, THIS IS
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS HOPING TO
SEE.
SO, I AM BEHIND IT.
>> AND I WOULD SAY DARIN, WE'RE
VERY GRATEFUL TO THE GREAT WORK
AND RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE
WORKING GROUP LED BY YOU AND
PAM.
>> ABSOLUTELY, SPEAKING OF PAM,
PAM?
>> THANKS.
YES, DITTO TO DARIN'S COMMENTS.
ADDITIONALLY, IT JUST FELT LIKE
THERE WERE A LOT OF LESSONS, A
LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED IN TERMS
OF THE--HOW WE THINK ABOUT
PARTNERSHIPS, AND THE CLEAR
NOTION ABOUT HOW TO BUILD
CAPACITY CERTAINLY THERE'S
NUANCES IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT
KINDS OF COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE
SEEKING TO PROVIDE HEALTH EQUITY
ISSUES AND RESEARCH, BUT I WAS
THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER
PROGRAMS THAT WE WILL BE
DISCUSSING LATER HOW TO INSURE
THAT THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE
SERVING ACTUALLY HAVE THE
ABILITY TO BUILD THAT RESEARCH
CAPACITY AND HAVING THESE
PLANNING GRANTS, I THINK WITH
THE EXTENSIVE ROLE OF OUTREACH
AS WELL IS GOING TO BE REALLY
CRITICAL.
SO I REALLY APPLAUD THE EFFORTS
OF NIGMS ON THIS.
THANK YOU.
>> THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT, PAM.
I STATED THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO
A SERIES OUTREACH TO INFORM THE
COMMUNITY ABOUT THE CHANGES FOR
THE NARCH PROGRAM.
OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO DO THE
SAME FOR THE PLANNING GRANTS TO
INSURE THE LARGE NUMBER OF
ELIGIBLE TRIBES AND
ORGANIZATIONS WHERE AND WELL
INFORMED ABOUT THIS NEW
OPPORTUNITY.
?
GREAT, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS?
OKAY, DON'T HEAR ANY.
ERICA?
>> OKAY, I MOVE THAT WE,A PROVE
THESE CONCEPTS FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT AS FOAs, IS ANYONE
OPPOSED?
>> THANK YOU, THE MOTION IS
UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
>> THANK YOU.
GREAT, SO I THINK THAT ACTUALLY
CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS OF THE
OPEN SESSION.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT
ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP OR
FOR A FUTURE CONSIDERATION OR
QUESTIONS THEY HAVE NOW?
>> SO JOHN THIS IS SCWIER, YOU
KNOW, I THINK AT THE LAST
COUNCIL MEETING, WE GOT ANI MAIL
ABOUT TOPICS FOR DISCUSSION AND
I THINK IT WAS PETER ESPEN
SHADE, SORRY PETE FER IT WASN'T
YOU, BROUGHT UP THIS ISSUE OF
YOU KNOW THE GRANTS JUST NOT
GOING AS FAR AS THEY USED TO GO
IN TERMS OF AMOUNTS, RIGHT?
ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE
EXPERIENCING THIS INFLATION
THING, OUR GRANTS ARE EASILY 20%
LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE, YOU
KNOW A YEAR AGO, BUT I GUESS THE
QUESTION I HAVE IS I DON'T THINK
WE EVER HAD THAT DISCUSSION
ABOUT THAT TOPIC LAST TIME?
>> PART OF IT WAS TO SHOW THE
DATA FROM THE RENEWALS THAT
BUDGET INCREASES DO HAPPEN, I
THINK--
>> YEAH, I SAW THAT.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN STATEMENTS IN
THE COMMUNITY THAT THERE HAS
BEEN NOTHING TO KEEP UP WITH
INFLATION AND BUDGET VS BEEN
FLAT, OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS AND
THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE DATA.
BUDGETS HAVE ACTUALLY INCREED
MORE OR LESS KEPT UP WITH
INFLATION AT SOME LEVEL UNTIL
RECENTLY, RIGHT WHEN INFLATION'S
GOTTEN BIGGER.
BUT WE COULD HAVE A MORE INDEPTH
DISCUSSION ABOUT--WITH,A
DITIONAL DAT DATA.
>> RIGHT, BUT IT WASN'T ALWAYS
JUST INFLATION, IT WAS YOU KNOW
NEW PAY LEVELS FOR EXAMPLE THAT
WERE INSTITUTED BY NIH FOR POST
DOCKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT
SEEMED LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT,
YOU KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT PEOPLE
TYPICALLY GET FOR AN RO1 FOR
EXAMPLE, IT USED TO BE SOMETHING
LIKE 192 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT
AND IT HAD BEEN THE SAME FOR
QUITE SOMETIME IF I CAN REMEMBER
AND IT HASN'T KEPT UP WITH THE
RECENT COSTS, NOT JUST
INFLATION.
>> SO WE COULD CERTAINLY HAVE A
MORE INDEPTH DISCUSSION WITH
MORE DATA, WOULD PROBABLY BE THE
BEST THING TO DO.
>> SO TELL ME THIS, SO TYPICALLY
WHEN YOU ASK FOR 250, THE
STANDARD AMOUNT THAT 1 USED TO
GET WAS LIKE SOMEWHERE AROUND
192, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
HAS THAT CHANGED?
>> YES, THAT HAS GONE UP,.
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
>> IN THE LOW 200S NOW.
>> OH, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT.
>> BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ARE CORRECT
THAT OTHER COSTS DO INCREASE.
YOU CAN LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE
OF THIS, OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE
WHERE IT'S GOING.
>> WITH A LIMITED POOL OF
MONEY,.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
I UNDERSTAND.
>> PETER?
>> YEAH, THANKS JOHN AND THANKS
SCWIER FOR BRINGING THAT UP, I
THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO
HAVE A DISCUSSION OF LOOKING
OVER THE 20 YEAR TIMELINE FOR
THAT FUNDING, IT'S NOT
NECESSARILY NIGMS, IT'S AN NIH
WIDE ISSUE, SO WHEN I BRING IT
UP I'M NOT CALLING OUT NIGMS
SPECIFICALLY ON THAT.
BUT 1 THING I DO IS I WORK
CLOSELY WITH OUR STUDENTSA THE
HOPKINS SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AND I
CAN SAY THIS, WHETHER IT'S YOUR
STAFF, POST DOCS, YOUR STUDENTS
THAT INFLATION'S VERY REAL FOR
THESE INDIVIDUALS AND JUST WANT
TO PUT IT ON GM'S RADAR THAT
THESE COSTS ARE GOING TO GET
PASSED THROUGH, SO TYPE ENDS FOR
ALL GRADUATE STUDENTS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY WILL BE INCREASING,
GRANTS PAY FOR THOSE IN LARGE
PART.
SO THAT MEANS THERE'S GOING TO
BE FURTHER PRESSURES ON THE
BUDGETS OF YOU KNOW EVERY NIH
GRANT, SAME LIKELY HAPPEN TO
POST DOC GRANTS SO I JUST WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE
ACTIVELY THINK BEING HOW, YOU
KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS THAT NEED,
SINCE THOSE PERSONNEL COSTS ARE
PROBABLY THE LARGEST PART OF THE
GRANTS THAN EQUIP AND SUPPLIES
WOULD BE DROPPING.
>> ABSOLUTELY MPLET UNDERSTOOD.
WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN DEVELOP
SOME ADDITION DATA TO HELP GUIDE
A CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE.
TERRY?
>> I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW UP
ON YOUR COMMENT ABOUT GRADUATE
STUDENTS IN PARTICULAR.
AS WE'RE SEEING INCREASING
UNIONIZATION OF GRADUATE
STUDENTS, IT IS DEFINITELY
AFFECTING THE COST, SO ANYTHING
THAT--WHETHER IT'S WORKING WITH
THE COUNCIL ON GRADUATE SCHOOLS
OR MONITORING WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST
INFLATION, IT'S ALSO INCREASING
MUCH LARGER REQUESTS FOR HEALTH
INSURANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
THAT ARE PUSHING SOME OF THE
COSTS WHICH WOULD ALSO IMPACT
TRAINING GRANTS, AND
FELLOWSHIPS, ET CETERA, IT'S
SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON
BEFORE BEFORE IT PERCOLATES UP
AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> VERA SO IN THE UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA 1 OF MY GRADUATE
STUDENTS, SHE'S BASICALLY A
PRESIDENT OF THE STUDENT
ASSOCIATION AND WHAT I LEARNED
RECENTLY IS THE STUDENTS
ACTUALLY THE UNIVERSITY OF
STUDENTS INCREASE RECENTLY TYPE
END TO 36 OR 37,000, BUT AGAIN
IT GOES TO RO1s.
THEY ACTUALLY GO INTO FOOD
PANTRIES AND DOING SOME THINGS
THAT I'M SO SHOCKED AND THE
OTHER BIG PORTION IS THAT NOW ON
A LOT OF THINGS WE DO AS
STRUCTURAL BIOLOGIST AND CRYOEM,
WE CAN'T FIND PEOPLE ANYWHERE,
THOAR GOING TO POST DOCTORALS,
NOW, THEY SAID THAT $55,000 AS A
TYPE END IS NOT GOING TO CUT IT
MUCH AND THEY'VE BEEN GOING TO
OTHER PLACES AND WE DISCUSS THIS
AT SEVERAL MEETINGS THAT WHEN WE
SEE EACH OTHER IN PERSON AGAIN
THAT WE CANNOT FIND PEOPLE AND
THE REASON IS THE INFLATION,
COST OF LIVING AND ALL THAT.
I WILL BRING IT UP WITH WHAT WE
ARE SEEING HERE ON OUR SIDE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANKS FOR BRINGING THOSE
POINTS UP.
QUITE TROUBLING.
>> AMY?
>> TWO THINGS, FIRST OF ALL, I
THINK SOMETIMES EARLY
INVESTIGATORS DON'T REALIZE THAT
CAN DO THINGS LIKE APPLY FOR
ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPLEMENTS TO
GET INSTRUMENTS THEY NEED AND SO
MAYBE SOME MORE DISSEMINATION OF
OTHER WAYS TO GET MONEY ON TOP
OF THE LIMITED BUDGET BECAUSE I
AGREE WITH SQUIRE, I DON'T FEEL
LIKE IT'S CHAIMPLE THAD MUCH
OVER THE YEARS SO THOSE TYPES OF
THINGS MIGHT BE MORE PUBLICIZED.
THE OTHER THING I WAS WONDERING
WHICH HAS PROBABLY BEEN
DISCUSSED BEFORE BUT WHY DOES
NIGMS HAVE PREDOCTORAL
FELLOWSHIPS?
>> WE HAVE DIVERSITY F38.
>> RIGHT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO
APPLY FOR AN F--IS IT AN F30?
>> IT WAS AN F31.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM FOR
A COUPLE OF YEARS, WHAT WE FOUND
WAS FIRST OF ALL THAT, YOU KNOW
IT'S A SET POOL OF MONEY SO THAT
MONEY WAS COMING OUT OF THE
T32s AND WE THINK IT'S MUCH
MORE VALUABLE FOR US TO INVEST
OUR MONEY IN INSTITUTIONAL
TRAINING GRANTS BECAUSE WE HAVE
SO MUCH OF A MULTIPLIER EFFECT
IN GIVING INSTITUTIONAL TRAINING
GRANT RELATIVE TO JUST AN
INDIVIDUAL FELLOWSHIP.
FURTHER MORE, I WILL TELL YOU
THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO
IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE F31s
WAS TO GIVE IT TO PEOPLE WHO
OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
ABLE TO YOU KNOW CONDUCT
GRADUATE RESEARCH OR CONDUCT IT
IN THE LAB THEY WANTED TO WORK
IN, BUT THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT
WE SAW.
WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT BASED ON
WHAT CAME OUT OF THE STUDY
SECTIONS, THE PEOPLE WHO WERE
GETTING THEM WERE PEOPLE IN
EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED LABS AT
EXTREMELY WELL FUNDED
INSTITUTIONS WHO WERE ABSOLUTELY
GOING TO HAVE NO PROBLEM
CONDUCTING, YOU KNOW THEIR
GRADUATE RESEARCH IN THE LAB,
THEY WANT TO DO IT IN, WITHOUT
THE FELLOWSHIP, SO IT WAS
BASICALLY, WE WERE GIVING MONEY
TO PUT A LINE ON SOMEONE'S CV,
THAT'S WHAT IT ENDED UP BEING
AND THERE'S JUST--WE COULD NOT
RATIONALIZE THOSE 2 THINGS FOR
CONTINUING TO GIVE F31s.
IF--YOU KNOW IF WE HAD BEEN
GIVING THEM TO PEOPLE WHO AGAIN
WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
CONDUCT RESEARCH OR WHERE THEY
WANTED TO DO IT WITHOUT THE
FELLOWSHIP, I THINK WE WOULD
HAVE THOUGHT VERY HARD ABOUT
CONTINUING IT, BUT IT JUST--IT
JUST DID NOT SEEM MONEY WORTH
GIVING.
JUST TO BE FRANK.
THAT'S WHAT WE SAW.
>> THAT MAKES SENSE BUT THAT'S
ANOTHER WAY TO HELP DEFRAY THESE
EXPENSES THAT ARE GETTING HIGHER
AND HIGHER.
>> AGAIN, YOU KNOW I THINK THAT
GOES BACK TO THE POINT I WAS
JUST MAKING THAT, IF THE
FELLOWSHIPS WERE GOING TO LABS
THAT WERE OPERATING ON A SINGLE
GRANT, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR
POINT BUT THEY WEREN'T, THEY
WERE GOING TO LABS THAT HAD, YOU
KNOW HHMI, PLUS MULTIPLE GRANTS
PLUS, YOU KNOW WHATEVER ELSE AND
IT WAS MORE MONEY TO LABS THAT
ALREADY HAD A LOT OF MONEY TO BE
HONEST.
>> LAURA?
>> SO THE TYPE END ISSUE I KNOW
PUSHES ON ALL OF US IT SOUNDS
LIKE.
SO WE LOOKED RECENTLY, WE'RE
ALWAYS--WE CHECKED TWICE A YEAR
BECAUSE THE STUDENTS PUSH US TO
CHECK TWICE A YEAR.
WHERE DO WE RANK NATIONALLY?
SO WE LOOK AT BIG INSTITUTIONS
AND LAND AND GET A SENSE OF PEER
INSTITUTIONS, I WONDER IF YOU
MAY HAVE SHARED WITH US BEFORE
AND I FORGET, WHETHER WE HAVE
IDEA STATE VERSUS NONIDEA STATE
AFFILIATED INSTITUTIONS IN TERMS
OF WHERE TYPE ENDS ARE LANDING
BECAUSE I--
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, I
HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE DATA.
WE CAN LOOK INTO WHETHER THEY'RE
AVAILABLE.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN GET
THEM EASILY OURSELVES BECAUSE
YOU KNOW THOSE ARE INSTITUTIONAL
DECISIONS.
WE WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO
THROUGH AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE
BEING PAID OFF OF GRANTS TO DO
IT.
IT MAY BE POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD
DO IT BUT--
>> YEAH, IT MIGHT BE REALLY
TEDIOUS, BUT PART OF THE REASON
I ASK IS MY GUT FEELING, YOU
KNOW OBVIOUSLY STUDENTS ARE
HUMAN AND WE ROUTINELY LOSE THEM
TO HIGHER STIPEND PLAYING,
PAYING, PLACES.
AND THEN RIGHT BEHIND THAT IS A
FEW OFFSET FEES WHICH IS SOME
KIND OF BLACK HOLE HERE THAT I
JUST CAN'T FIGURE OUT.
YOU KNOW IT'S ALLOWABLE IN
CERTAIN WAYS, NOT OTHER WAYS SO
WE JUST DIG AROUND IN THERE BUT
I CAN'T FIND GOOD SOLUTIONS, SO
I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE IT
FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT BE PUSHING
AGAINST SOME OF THE NIGMS GOALS.
IF WE HAVE AN EFFLUX OF
OPPORTUNITIES FROM IDEA STATE TO
INSTITUTIONS TO OTHER AREAS
BECAUSE THERE'S JUST SUCH A
FABULOUS TALENT POOL.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> I THINK THE EFFORT IN THE
EQUATION OF COURSE IS THE COST
OF LIVING WHICH, YOU KNOW WOULD
BE SOMETHING THAT'S STUDENTS
PROBABLY SHOULD BE EDUCATED IN
BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO A--YOU
KNOW.
>> YEAH, WE PUT THAT--
>> THE SCHOOLS, THE COST OF
LIVING COULD EASILY BE 50% OR
MORE, MORE THAN WHAT IT IS, YOU
KNOW SAY IN MORGAN TOWN, RIGHT?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
WE'RE TRYING TO HIT HARD ON ALL
OF THOSE.
SO I'M JUST CURIOUS PARTLY TO
KEEP--
>> WE CAN LOOK AT IT.
>> --STUDENTS INTO--INTO THE
PROGRAM.
TO THE OTHER POINT YOU TALKED
ABOUT IN TERMS OF NIGMS
INDIVIDUAL FELLOWSHIPS, WE GET
IT, YEE JUST DID AN ANALYSIS OF
ALL OUR SUMMARY STATEMENTS
BECAUSE OUR INDIVIDUAL
FELLOWSHIP SUBMISSIONS WE'VE
PUSHED UP AND UP, THAT ARE HIT
RATE, I WILL ADMIT IS FLAT.
RIGHT?
SO NOW WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH
COMPETITIVENESS AND WHEN WE
ELECTRIC AT THOSE CRITIQUES IT
WAS ALMOST ENTIRELY DRIVEN BY
FUNDING OF THE PI, IT WAS SO
INTERESTING, AND SO SIMPLE AND A
LITTLE FRUSTRATING IN A WAY.
BUT FRUSTRATION'S GONE, NOW
WE'RE JUST GOING TO FIGURE IT
OUT BUT THAT'S THE DRIVING
FORCE.
>> THAT MAKES MY POINT EXACTLY,
THE MORE MONEY THE PI HAS, THE
MORE LIKELY THEIR STUDENT IS TO
GET A FELLOWSHIP.
>> THAT IS LITERALLY TRUE AND
YOU JUST CONFIRMED, YOU KNOW--
>> IT WAS REALLY STRAIGHT
FORWARD.
>> YEAH.
>> IN A WAY WE WERE HOPING WAS
NOT THE CASE.
>> AGREED.
AGREED.
>> BUT IT IS.
>> DANIELLE?
>> SO I FEEL LIKE I ALWAYS HAVE
THESE LONG STANDING QUESTIONS
ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PAYING IN LONG
STANDING SALARY SUPPORT AND
THESE UNIVERSITIES BUT LEADING
OFF THAT ASIDE AND LEADING OFF
THE OF HOW MUCH COSTS ARE
INCREASING IS THERE SOME KIND OF
PLAN TO THINK ABOUT INCREASING
APPROPRIATIONS AND KIND OF
MARKETING THE IMPACT OF NIGMS
RESEARCH IN A WAY THAT--I'M
HAPPY TO VOLUNTARY LABOR ON THIS
ANALYSIS TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR
TO CONGRESS, THE IMPABLGHT OF
THIS MONEY TO TRY TO RAISE THE
APPROPRIATIONS?
SO THAT'S --
>> SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE
CAN COMMENT ON OR DO, IT'S NOT
PART OF OUR JOB TO INFLUENZ
APPROPRIATIONS, WE HAVE TO USE
WHAT CONGRESS GIVES US.
LUCKILY THEY HAVE BEEN GENEROUS
OVER THE PAST 5 YEARS OR SO SO
THAT'S BEEN QUITE POSITIVE BUT
WE CAN'T--WE CANNOT ADDRESS THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE OURSELVES.
>> NEXT QUESTION.
PRESUMABLY CONGRESS LIKE TAKES
INFORMATION AND MAKES A DECISION
BASED ON HOW VALUABLE THEY THINK
THAT INVESTMENT IS.
WHAT IS THE ORGANIZATION THAT
INFORMATION PRESUMABLY,
INFORMATION PROVIDED TO CONGRESS
AND THAT HELPS MACK A DETERMINE
NATION.
>> I THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL
PEOPLE ON COUNCIL WHO HAVE HAD
OR HAVE ROLES IN PROFESSIONAL
SOCIETIES FOR EXAMPLE.
I THINK TERRY'S GOT HER HAND UP,
MAYBE SHE HAS A COMMENT.
>> THIS IS MY ONLY--
>> JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT
MANY SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES HAVE
COMMITTEES SUCH AS A PUBLIC
AFFAIRS ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT
MEMBERS CAN JOIN AND THEY
FREQUENTLY WILL DO VERY POSITIVE
HILL DAYS FOR MEDICAL SCIENCE
AND NOT JUST NIH AND ASSESS EOE,
AND HOW THOSE GO TOGETHER AND
HOW THAT PUT IT TOGETHER AND
PARTICULARLY FUNDAMENTAL
SCIENCE, AND IF YOU WANT TO
CONTACT ME DIRECTLY, I CAN GET
YOU INFORMATION AND GET YOU
INVOLVED, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO
FAR BUT THERE'S A LOT OF
SOCIETIES.
>> PART OF MY JOB.
>> OKAY, AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR
BIOSOCIETY FOR IN LEC BAR
BIOLOGY HAS A PARTICULARLY
ROBUST COMMITTEE I USED TO CHAIR
IT, I'M ROTATING OFF THE
COMMITTEE AND THEY JUST DID A
HILL DAY AND I'LL ADD THESE
SOCIETIES OFTEN BRING IN
STUDENTS AND POST DOCS AND TRAIN
THEM ABOUT THE APPROPRIATION
PROCESS ALONG WITH FACULTY AND
SOMETIMES PEOPLE FROM INDUSTRY
SO IT IS A ROBUST SYSTEM TO
EDUCATE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF
FUNDMENTAL RESEARCH FOR THE
ECONOMY FOR PUBLIC HEALTH, SO,
WE ARE THE BEST ADVOCATES FOR
NIH OURSELVES.
>> THANKS.
AND TO YOUR POINT DANIELLE, TO
YOUR COMMENT ABOUT SALARY
SUPPORT, I AGREE WITH YOU
ENTIRELY.
THAT IS AN ISSUE.
I HAVE TRIED TO PUSH ON THIS AS
MUCH AS I CAN, IT'S NOT CLEAR
HOW MANY LEVERS WE HAVE TO
AFFECT IT BUT I THINK IT IS A
DRAG ON THE SYSTEM IS THE AMOUNT
OF SALARY THAT--THE AMOUNT OF
SALARY SUPPORT THAT MANY
INVESTIGATORS ARE BEING REQUIRED
TO TAKE OFF THEIR GRANTS AS
OPPOSED TO WHAT IT USED TO BE
WHICH IS MORE INSTITUTIONAL
SUPPORT FOR SALARY.
SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S AN AREA
THAT MORE DATA ARE NEEDED TO
UNDERSTAND FULLY.
>> IF THERE'S ANYTHING I CAN DO.
>> GOOD.
THANK YOU.
PETER?
>> YEAH, THANKS.
AT THE RISK OF SORT OF BEATING
THIS TOO MUCH, I JUST WANT TO
SAY THAT IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THAT
APPROPRIATIONS ARE INCREASING,
THAT'S WONDERFUL, WE ALWAYS WANT
TO DO NEW THINGS WHEN WE HAVE
NEW RESOURCES AND I JUST WANT TO
CONVEY THAT I THINK BASIC
SCIENCES IN GENERAL ARE REALLY
SUFFERING AND THAT BEING ABLE TO
INVEST ACROSS THE BOARD IN
INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING
TO EXISTING GRANTS WOULD BE
REALLY WISE DECISION ALTHOUGH
NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW AS
EXCITING AS LAUNCHING NEW THINGS
BUT IT'S REALLY TOUGH.
THERE ARE SOME INSTITUTIONS THAT
HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC AT RAISING
MONEY FOR PHILANTHROPY FOR BASIC
SCIENCE IT'S IT'S A HARD SELL
FOR OTHER AREAS OF BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
AND POINT WELL TAKEN.
AND 1 OF THE THINGS IN THE
FUNDING LEVELS IS THAT THAT IS A
PRIORITY FOR US IN THE MIRA
PROGRAM IS TO FLOAT ALL BOATS
AND TO BRING THE MINIMUM LEVEL
OF FUNDING UP SO, YOU KNOW FROM
THE START, WE HAVE SAID THAT TO
BE 250, I MEAN SQUIRE WAS NIGHT,
RO1s USED TO BE 190 AND NOW
IT'S 210 BUT STILL WELL BELOW
WHAT YEAR SHOOTING FOR IN MIRA,
THE FLOOR UP EVEN FURTHER, I
THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR THE GOOD
SO,--BUT AGAIN, I DO WANT TO
MAKE CLEAR THAT OUR FOCUS IS AT
THE SORT OF--THE LEVEL OF THE
TIDE NOT THE LEVEL--THE LEVEL OF
LOW TIDE, NOT THE LEVEL OF HIGH
TIDE, IF YOU WILL, RIGHT?
SO INVESTIGATORS WHO ALREADY
HAVE, YOU KNOW PRETTY DIG 95
CANT AWARD CHESTS AND JUST WANT
TO MAINTAIN THE SAME NUMBER OF
STAFF THEY HAVE IN THEIR LAB,
YOU KNOW AT 15 OR 20 OR WHATEVER
THEY HAVE, WE'RE NOT TERRIBLY
SYMPATHETIC TO THAT, I'M MUCH
MORE SYMPATHETIC TO SOMEONE
TRYING TO RUN THEIR LAB OFF OF 1
GRANT WITH A MODEST SIZE LAB
THAT WE COULD BRING THAT LEVEL
UP HIGHER.
PAUL?
>> YEAH, I JUST HAD PART
PERSPECTIVE, PART QUESTION ON
THIS TOPIC OF TRAINEE SUPPORT
THAT I THINK ALSO RELATES TO THE
OVERALL GOAL OF ENHANCING
DIVERSITY IN THE SCIENTIFIC
WORKFORCE AND THAT IS IN 1 ISSUE
THAT I NEVER REALLY APPRECIATED
UNTIL BECOMING A PI WAS WHERE
INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS AND
TRAINEES FIT INTO OVERALL
TRAINING SUPPORT ISSUES AT LEAST
HERE IN UTAH, 25% OF OUR
GRADUATE STUDENTS IN HEALTH
SCIENCES ARE INTERNATIONAL AND
THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR T32
AND OTHER THINGS AND TO SOME
EXTENT ALTHOUGH THEY CAN BE
SUPPORTED OFF RESEARCH GRANTS
ARE A LITTLE BIT INVISIBLE TO
THE NIH'S RADAR AND I ASSUME
THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO
CHANGE ANYTIME SOON, SO WE'VE
BEEN LOOKING FOR WAYS HERE
INSTITUTIONALLY TO MOBILIZE
INTERNAL SUPPORT TO ALLIFE ON
EARTH TO EXISTING T32s TO HELP
SUPPORT THEM BUT I GUESS THIS
RELATES TO DIVERSITY IN BETTER
WAYS BECAUSE I ASSUME MANY
INSTITUTIONS ARE KIND OF WHERE
INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS ARE
COMING FROM IS SHIFTING A BIT
AND WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF TRENDS
TOWARDS COUNTRY THAT THESE ARE
STUDENT FIST THEY CONTINUE IN
THE PIPELINE BECOME U.S.
RESIDENTS AND BECOME U.S.
CITIZEN SO CERTAINLY, OUR 1
CONDUIT TOWARDS ADDRESSING AN
OVERALL CHALLENGE THAT WE
CERTAINLY BRING TREMENDOUS
DIVERSITY THERE, SO, MY QUESTION
IS WITHIN CURRENT CONSTRAINTS
THAT EXIST AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE
LIKELY TO CHANGE, ARE THERE
OTHER CREATIVE WAYS THAT NIGMS
AND NIH MORE BROADLY CAN LOOK TO
SUPPORT AND ENHANCE THE ROLE
THAT INTERNATIONAL TRAINEES PLAY
IN OVERALL WELCOMER FORCE
DEVELOPMENT.
>> YEAH, I THINK THOSE ARE
FREQUENT TOPICS OF DISCUSSION,
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT,
PAUL, THERE ARE SOME PROGRAMS
LIKE TD PARENT K99 R00 WHERE
THAT CAN SUPPORT INTERNATIONAL
STUDENTS.
THE NRSA, THE T32s, THE Fs,
THAT'S IN LAW THAT THEY ARE FOR
U.S. CITIZEN AND PERMANENT
PRESIDENTS SO CAN'T CHANGE THAT.
YOU KNOW I THINK THE BALANCE
HERE ON YOUR POINTS ARE
EXTREMELY WELL TAKEN, THE
BALANCE OF COURSE IS THAT 1
DOESN'T WANT TO IF YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT DIVERSITY FOR
EXAMPLE, FOCUS ON THAT AS THE
SOLUTION AS OPPOSE TO SUPPORTING
UNDERREPRESENTED STUDENTS WHO
ARE, YOU KNOW U.S. BORN BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW IT'S PERCEIVED AS BEING
EASIER TO DO THE FORMER THAN THE
LATTER, WE DON'T WANT TO FALL
INTO THAT TRAP, I THINK SO WE
NEED TO MAKE SURE WE BALANCE
THOSE 2 THINGS.
OTHER COMMENTS?
ANGELA?
>> YEAH THIS, IS MOSTLY FOR
OBSERVATION AND I HAVEN'T YET
BEEN ABLE TO CRAFT IT INTO AN
INTERESTING QUESTION, BUT IT'S
AN INTERESTING TOPIC WHICH IS TO
THINK ABOUT THE LOCAL
ENVIRONMENT OF THE PRIVATE
SECTOR AND HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT
ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HOW IT
MIGHT BE INFLUENCING TRAINING
BOTH IN TERMS OF TRAINING GOALS
AND ALSO ALUMNI NETWORK ACCESS
BECAUSE THIS SEEMS TO BE A
REALLY BIG DRIVER OF POST
GRADUATION PLACEMENT AND GIVEN
HOW CLUSTERED PRIVATE SECTOR
OPPORTUNITIES ARE ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, I COULD IMAGINE THAT
MIGHT JUST BE A PIECE THAT'S
SORT OF UNDERAPPRECIATED AND HOW
IT'S IMPACTING T32S AND OTHER
KINDS OF TRAINING PROGRAMS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT
THERE, YOU KNOW I'M IN BOSTON SO
THERE'S A HUGE LIFE SCIENCES
PRIVATE SECTOR HERE AND
IT'S--IT'S VERY VISIBLE TO THE
STUDENTS BOTH IN TERMS OF SALARY
PRESSURES AND OPPORTUNITIES POST
GRADUATION SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT
KIND OF ROLE NIGMS COULD PLAY IN
ANALYZING THAT LAND CAPE AND
THINKING ABOUT IT BUT IT'S VERY
REAL.
>> IT IS A VERY GOOD POINT AND
IT IS SOMETHING WE'RE VERY
INTERESTED IN BECAUSE OF OUR
FOCUS ON UNDERRESOURCED STATES
AND INSTITUTIONS LIKE THE IDEA
STATES OR MINORITY SERVING
INSTITUTIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY
AND TRYING TO BUILD THAT
ENTREPRENEURIAL CULTURE AND THAT
BIOTECH SECTOR AND THOSE PLACES,
I THINK YOUR POINT FEEDS THAT
QUESTION EXACTLY, HOW DO
YOU--HOW DO YOU GET THE BENEFITS
THAT YOU HAVE IN BOSTON OR
SAN FRANCISCO, YOU KNOW IN OTHER
PLACES AND YOU POINTED TO IT,
VERY SPECIFIC 1 THAT BENEFIT FOR
STUDENTS IN THERE, SAY,
INTERNSHIPS OR POTENTIAL JOB
PROSPECTS WHICH IS A VERY GOOD 1
BUT ALL KINDS OF CIALGHT 1S AS
WELL, RIGHT?
>> ABSOLUTELY AND I THINK IT'S
JUST SOMETHING THAT'S HARD FOR
NECESSARILY ACADEMIC
INSTITUTIONS TO ASSESS
SYSTEMATICALLY AND
LONGITUDINALLY AND THOUGHTFULLY
SO I DON'T KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A
GOOD PLACE TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS AND GET
THE RIGHT DATA.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
LAURA DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
>> JUST A FOLLOW UP TO PAUL'S
COMMENTS AROUND INTERNATIONALLY
STUDENTS WHICH I THOUGHT WERE
SPOT-ON AND 1 STRATEGY THAT
WE'VE UNDERTAKEN HERE WAS AS
ADDITIONAL T32s HIT AND IT
LIGHTENED UP, A PUSH ON MY
OFFICE BUDGET A LITTLE, WE
CREATED A PEER REVIEW
INTERNATIONAL INDIVIDUAL
FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM OUT OF THE
OFFICE.
AND THAT WAS IN PART TO--BECAUSE
THOSE ARE FABULOUS STUDENTS AND
AS WE ALL KNOW NOT QUITE AS MANY
OPPORTUNITIES AND THEY WERE
FEELING OUT OF THE MAIN STREAM
AS THEIR COLLEAGUES WERE
PARTICIPATE NOTHING WRITING
GROUPS AND PUTTING IN THEIR
INDIVIDUAL FELLOWSHIPS AND THERE
WEREN'T EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES.
SO THAT'S BEEN REALLY HIGHLY
SUBSCRIBED AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE
AND WE MADE IT MATCH AS IF THEY
HAD GONE EXTERNAL AND PUSHED
HARD ON REALLY ROBUST PEER
REVIEW FOR THE EDUCATIONAL
COMPONENT OF THE EXERCISE AS
WELL.
SO IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM
IN ANY WAY BUT IT WAS A WAY WE
WERE TRYING TO PICK AT IT A
LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
OF COURSE, THERE ARE SOME
INTERNATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES YOU
KNOW PEOPLE'S HOME COUNTRIES OR
THE HUMAN FRONTIER SCIENCE
PROGRAM WHICH NIH ACTUALLY
CONTRIBUTES FUND BEING TOWARDS,
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S WELL
KNOWN BUT 1 OF THE FUNDERS OF
HFSP IS THE NIH, YOU KNOW, SO 1
COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT
WITH THOSE PROGRAMS AS WELL,
IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA.
>> GREAT.
WELL, THIS IS A VERY ROBUST
DISCUSSION AT THE END AND I
APPRECIATE THAT.
WE ARE A LITTLE EARLY IN ENDING.
THERE WAS A MOTION TO MAYBE
START THE CLOSED SESSION A
LITTLE EARLY, MAYBE 1:15.
WOULD THAT BE A PROBLEM FOR
ANYBODY IF WE STARTED AT 1:15
INSTEAD OF 1:30?
LET PEOPLE OUT A BIT EARLIER?
OKAY, SO WHY DON'T WE START AT
1:15 AND JUST REMEMBER, PLEASE
THAT THAT'S A DIFFERENT LINK
THAN THIS 1 BECAUSE IT'S THE
CLOSED SESSION.
SO DON'T--DON'T TRY TO COME BACK
TO THIS MEETING, IT WILL BE
CLOSED.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE GREAT
DISCUSSION, AND EVERYONE WHO
HELPED ORGANIZE THIS, AND ALL OF
YOU FOR DOING ALL THIS HARD
WORK, SO WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN
AT 1:15 CLOSED SESSION.