WELCOME TO THE NAGMS COUNCIL FOR
SEPTEMBER.
IF YOU BEING ALL TURN YOUR
CAMERAS ON NOW WHILE WE DO
INTRODUCTIONS AND BUSINESS, AND
WHEN WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS IF
YOU CAN TURN YOUR CAMERAS OFF,
THAT MAKE ITS BETTER FOR THE
VIDEOCAST AND WHEN WE GO TO
DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS WE WILL
TURN THE CAMERAS BACK ON.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US,
I'M JOHN LORSCH, DIRECTOR OF
NAGMS, AND WE WILL START BY
GOING AROUND THE ROOM AND DOING
INTRODUCTIONS AND I WILL GO IN
ORDER OF THE ROSTER SO NATALIE,
DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST.
>> HI, EVERYONE, I'M NATALIE
AHN, DEPARTMENT OF BIOCHEMISTRY
AT THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO
BOULDER.
>> GREAT.
THANK YOU.
DARRIN.
>> I'M DAREIN AKINS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF OKLAHOMA HEALTH
SCIENCE CENTER WHERE I'M THE
ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT OF
RESEARCH AND OUR LAB WORKS ON 2
DIFFERENT TRANSPORT SYSTEMS AND
THE MECHANISMS THAT THEY USE TO
INSERT PROTEINS INTO EMBRAIN
BILAYERS.
>> ANGELLA BUYERS WINCE STON,.
>> GOOD MORNING I'M WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN MADISON.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANGELLA DEBASE.
>> SHE'S HASN'T JOINED US YET.
>> PETER ESPEN SHADE.
>> MORNING EVERYONE, I'M A
PROFESSOR OF CELL BIOLOGY AT
JOHNS HOPKINS SCHOOL OF MEDICINE
WHERE HIGH LAB STUDIES NUCLEAR
SENSING PARTICULARLY WITH AN
INTEREST IN CONTROLLING LIPID
STASIS AND THE ASSOCIATE DEAN
FOR GRADUATE STUDENTS.
>> GREAT.
FRED?
>> I'M FRED HEBERLE, WITH THE
UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE
KNOXVILLE, OUR LAB IS INTERESTED
IN THE LIPIDS SO WE WANT TO
UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFERENT TYPES
OF LIPIDS ARE FOUND IN MAMMALIAN
MEMBRANES AND STRUCTURE AND
SEPARATION.
>> GREAT.
TERRY.
>> MORNING I'M TERRY
[INDISCERNIBLE] WITH IL
UNIVERSITY.
>> ALEXIS,.
>> I'M ALEXIS I'M AN CYST ANT
PROFESSOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
CHEMIST RADIOY AND BIOCHEMISTRY
AT UC SAN DIEGO.
THE I'M 1 OF THE COUPLE ADHOC
MEMBERS OF THE JUNIOR AND THANK
YOU FOR HAVING ME.
>> WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AS
WELL.
>> DANIELLE, LEE, I AM WITH THE
SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT AND
STUDYING ECONOMIC AND SCIENCE
ADADVANCEMENT.
>> GREAT.
DAVID MATTHEWS.
>> DAVID MATTHEWS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF ROUGH ATOM CHESTER
DEPARTMENT OF BIOCHEMISTRY AND
BY O PHYSICS AND I DIRECT YOUR
GRADUATE PROGRAM IN BIOPHYSICS
AND DEVELOPS COMPUTATIONAL
METHODS TO STUDY RNA.
>> GREAT.
>> LESLIE.
>> HI, EVERYONE I'M LESLIE ROSE,
AT THE DEPARTMENT OF MOLECULAR
AND CELL BIOLOGY AT UNIVERSITY
OF CALIFORNIA DAVIS AND MY LAB
STUDIES [INDISCERNIBLE] IN
C.ELEGANS.
>> GREAT.
AMY.
>> HI, I'M AMY [INDISCERNIBLE]
I'M IN THE DEPARTMENT OF
MOLECULAR BIOSCIENCES AND
CHEMISTRY AT NORTHWESTERN
UNIVERSITY, I'M A BIOAND ORGANIC
CHEMIST AND STRUCTURAL
BIOLOGIEST AND WE'RE INTERESTED
IN METAL ENZYMES AND METAL
HOMEOSTATIC PRACTICES TEENS.
>> THANK YOU, NICOLE.
>> NICOLE SAMPSON, DEPARTMENT OF
CHEMISTRY AT STONY BROOK
UNIVERSITY AND ALSO DEAN OF ARTS
AND SCIENCES AND IN MY LAB WE
DEVELOP NEW POLYMER METHODS TO
INTERROGATE BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS
AS WELL AS STUDY METABOLIC
PATHWAYS IN MICROBACTERIUM IN TB
FOR DRUG DISCOVERY W.
>> GREAT.
MELANIE.
>> HI, MELANIE SAN FORD AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN AND I AM
AN ORGANIC CHEMIST AND WE WORK
ON DEVELOPING NEW SYNTHETIC
METHODS FOR SINICIZING BIOACTIVE
MOLECULES.
>> TERRIFIC IS SUSAN SMITH HERE?
>> NO, SHE HASN'T JOINED US JOHN
BUT ANGELLA DEBASE HAS.
>> OKAY, WE'LL GET TO HER IN
JUST A SECOND.
PAM?
>> GOOD MORNING PAM STACKS,
DEPARTMENT OF CHEMISTRY AT SAN
JOSE STATE UNIVERSITY, RECENTLY
RETIRE FRIDAY ASSOCIATE VICE
PRESIDENT FOR RESEARCH HERE.
GOOD TO BE HERE, THANKS.
>> GREAT.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
JEFF?
JEFF SUN PROFESSOR OF HIGHER
EDKACCT LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
LOUISVILLE AND I AM THE LAWYER
ON THIS COMMITTEE.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
ALSO AN EXPERT IN HIGHER
EDUCATION.
>> WENDY?
>> GOOD MORNING EVERYONE, I'M
WENDY YOUNG, I'VE BEEN IN
BIOPHARMA FOR 30 YEARS MOST
RECENTLY WAS THE SVP AT GIO
TECH, CURRENTLY I'M EXECUTIVE
PARTNER AT NEW CAPITAL, WE BUILD
NEW COMPANY US IN LIFE SCIENCES.
>> THANK YOU WENDY AND ANGELLA
DEBASE.
>> HI, EVERYONE I'M ANGELLA
DEPACE, I'M ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR
OF SYSTEM SYSTEM BIOLOGY AT
HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL WHERE MY
LAB STUDIES THE MECHANISM AND
EVOLUTION OF GENE REGULATION IN
DEVELOPMENT IN FRUIT FLIES AND I
ALSO SPEND A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT
OF MY TIME IMPROVING TRAINING,
MENTORING AND PROFESSIONAL
DEVELOPMENT FOR GRADUATE
STUDENTS.
>> EXCELLENT, ERICA BROWN.
>> I'M ERICA BROWN, DIRECTOR OF
THE DIVISION OF EXTRAMURAL
ACTIVITIES AT NAGMS AND THE
EXECUTIVE SECRETARY OF COUNCIL.
>> AND DARREN DO YOU WANT TO
INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>> DARREN [INDISCERNIBLE], I'M
THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF OUR
DIVISION OF EXTRAMURAL
ACTIVITIES AND HELP ORGANIZE THE
COUNCIL.
>> AND IF ANYONE HAS PROBLEMS OR
QUESTIONS PLEASE CONTACT ERICA
OR DARIN AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE
YOUR ISSUES GET ADDRESSED.
AND DORIT, LAST BUT NOT LEAST.
>> [INDISCERNIBLE] I SHOULD BE
LAST, RIGHT AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR
OF NAGMS.
>> GREAT.
>> OKAY KOWPEM OF ADMINISTRATIVE
ITEMS SO WE NEED TO CONFIRM
FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING DATES AND
I WILL JUST LET YOU KNOW ABOUT
THOSE.
THURSDAY FEBRUARY 2nd, 2023,
WE HAVE A VIRTUAL COUNCIL
MEETING AND THURSDAY MAY 18th,
2023, WE HOPE TO HAVE AN
IN-PERSON COUNCIL MEETING, SO
PLEASE PUT THAT ON YOUR
CALENDARS AS WE WILL BE HOPING
TO SEE YOU ALL HERE IN PERSON.
AND THEN THURSDAY,
SEPTEMBER 7th 2023 WE WILL
HAVE A VIRTUAL COUNCIL MEETING
AND WE HOPE THAT WILL BE THE
MOVING FORWARD FOR THE MAY
MEETING IN PERSON AND THEN WE
WILL DO THE WINTER AND FALL
MEETINGS AS VIRTUAL MEETINGS TO
SAVE TRAVEL ON ALL OF YOUR PARTS
WHICH WE THINK WILL MAKE THINGS
EASIER FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS
REGARDING THE COUNCIL MEETING
DATES.
>> SORRY COULD YOU JUST REPEAT
THE FEBRUARY DATE AGAIN, I
MISSED IT.
>> FEBRUARY 2nd, 2023 AND THAT
WILL BE VIRTUAL.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> EN THEN MAY 18th, 2023 AND
SEPTEMBER 7t SEVENTH.
NEXT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE
MINUTES SO I'M SURE YOU ALL READ
THEM THOROUGHLY BUT DOES ANYONE
HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR AMENDMENTS
TO THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST
MEETING?
OKAY, LOOKING AROUND, SEEING
SHAKING OF HEADS SO HEARING NO
CONCERNS WE WILL CONSIDER THE
MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING
APPROVED AND THEN WE WILL MOVE
ON TOED REGULAR THE
CONFIDENTIALITY AND CONFLICT OF
INTEREST PROCEDURES WHICH WE
PREVIOUSLY DID IN CLOSED SESSION
BUT WE WERE TOLD WE WERE
SUPPOSED DO IT IN OPEN SESSION
SO THAT'S WHY WE GRING TO DO AND
YOU HAVE THE GREAT JOY OF HAVING
ME READ THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST
STATEMENT NOW.
SO YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A
CONFLICT OF INTEREST FORM FROM
DEA.
IT IS ALSO POSTED IN THE
ELECTRONIC COUNCIL BOOK.
PLEASE SIGN IT AS I READ THE
CONFLICT OF INTEREST STATEMENT,
ELECTRONIC SIGNATURE WILL
SUFFICIENT AND RETURN IT VIA
E-MAIL TO LINDA SARDITH,
ADVISORS AND CONSULTS SERVING AS
MEMBERS OF PUBLIC ADVISORY
COMMITTEES MAY NOT PARTICIPATE
IN SITUATIONS IN WHICH ANY
VIOLATION OF CONFLICT OF
INTEREST LAWS OR REGULATIONS MAY
OCCUR.
STAFF SHALL INSURE THAT A
COMMITTEE MEMBER DOES NOT
PARTICIPATE IN AND IS NOT
PRESENT DURING REVIEW OFA
APPLICATIONS OF PROGECS IN WHICH
TO MEMBERS KNOWLEDGE ANY OF THE
FOLLOWING IS A FINANCIAL
INTEREST.
THE MEMBER, HIS OR HER SPOUSE,
MINOR CHILD PARTNER INCLUDING
CLOSE PROFESSIONAL SOCIETIES, OR
AN ORGANIZATION WITH WHICH THE
MEMBER IS CONNECTED.
IN ADDITION, CONFLICTS OF
INTEREST MAY OCCUR BECAUSE OF
OTHER PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATIONS
SUCH AS WITH THE RECENT
STUDENTS, COLLABORATORS,
PERSONAL FRIENDS OR SCIENTISTS
WITH WHOM THE MEMBER HAS HAD
LONG STANDING SCIENTIFIC OR
PERSONAL DIFFERENCES.
TO INSURE THAT A MEMBER DOES NOT
PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION OF
OR VOTE ON AN APPLICATION IN
WHICH HE OR SHE IS IN CONFLICK,
A WRITTEN CERTIFICATION IS
REQUIRED.
THIS STATEMENT WILL BECOME PART
OF THE MEETING FILE.
THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT ETHICS
HAS PROVIDED A WAIVER FOR
FEDERAL ADVISORY MEMBERS
EMPLOYED AT 1 UNIVERSITY OF A
STATE MULTIUNIVERSITY SYSTEM TO
REVIEW APPLICATIONS FROM A
SEPARATE UNIVERSITY AT OF THE
SAME SYSTEM PROVIDED THE MEMBER
HAS NO CONFLICTING
RESPONSIBILITIES.
IN ADDITION, THE FEDERAL
ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEMBER IS
EMPLOYED BY A PRIVATE
INSTITUTION OR AT A PRIVATE
INSTITUTION AND AT 1 OF ITS
AFFILIATES MAY PARDISSIPATE IN
THE REVIEW OF A GRANT
APPLICATION SUBMITTED BY OTHER
AFFILIATE OF THE PRIVATE
INSTITUTION IF HE OR SHE DOES
NOT HOLD A JOINT APPOINTMENT
WITH THE AFFILIATE THAT HAS
SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, DOES
NOT HAVE WIDE RESPONSIBILITY
EXPTION HAS A WAIVER TO DO SO.
WE AT NAGMS KEEP TRACK OF THE
EASY CONFLICTS FOR YOU, WE RELY
ON YOU TO IDENTIFY RPG
CONFLICTS, FOR THOSE WE ARE
UNLIKELY TO KNOW, SUCH AS
PERSONAL FRIENDS, STUDENTS, ET
CETERA.
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO LET US
KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY POTENTIAL
CONFLICTS.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE POLICY
AND RESPONSIBILITIES?
>> OKAY, HEARING NONE THEN WE
CAN MOVE ON, I THINK TO THE REST
OF THE AGENDA AND THAT IS GOING
TO START WITH MY DIRECTOR'S
REPORT.
SO IF ANYONE CAN TURN THEIR
CAMERAS OFF, NOW THAT WOULD BE
GREAT AND WE WILL TURN THEM BACK
ON WHEN WE GET TO THE DISCUSSION
PART OF THIS.
OKAY, SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL
FOR ATTENDING OUR FALL MEETING.
IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE AND
THANKS FOR ALL THE HARD WORK
YOU'VE DONE OVER THE LAST FEW
WEEKS ON BEHALF OF THE
INSTITUTE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I AM SAD TO ANNOUNCE SEVERAL
RETIRING COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE
FIRST IS DARREN AKINS WHO IS
HERE AND JUST INTRODUCE
THEMSELVES.
ALSO SCWIER BOOKER, WILL BE
RETIRING, SCWIER COULDN'T MAKE
IT TO THIS MEETING AND NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE, AND UNFORTUNATELY
PETER WILL BE RETIRING FROM OUR
COUNCIL AFTER THIS SESSION,
WE'RE VERY, VERY GRATEFUL TO
THEM FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE
DONE ON BEHALF OF THE INSTITUTE
IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.
IF THIS WERE AN INPERSON MEETING
WE WOULD PRESENT THEM WITH A
SIGNED CERTIFICATE SIGNED BY THE
SECRETARY OF HEALTH AND HUMAN
SERVICES, ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR
SERVICE BUT INSTEAD WE WILL HAVE
TO SEND IT TO THEM, SO THE
CERTIFICATES ARE IN THE MAIL FOR
YOU OR WILL BE SOON.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO WANT TO INTRODUCE OR
REINTRODUCE OUR ADHOC COUNCIL
PARTICIPANTS, NICOLE WHO JUST
INTRODUCED HERSELF TO YOU, WE
ALSO HOPE TO HAVE SUSAN SMITH
JOINING US AT SOME POINT IF
SHE'S ABLE, THERE WERE
COMPLICATIONS ON HER END BUT SHE
IS THE EXECUTIVE VICE CHANCELLOR
AND DEAN OF THE COLLEGE OF
MEDICINE ADDED THE UNIVERSITY OF
ARKANSAS FOR MEDICAL SCIENCES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND AS WE HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST
6 YEARS OR SO, EVERY COUNCIL
ROUND WE INVITE 2 EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATORS TO BE ADHOC
PARTICIPANTS ON COUNCIL AND YOU
JUST HEARD FRED AND ALEXIS
INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BUT WE'RE
VERY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEM AND
THE PERSPECTIVE OF EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATORS IN THESE
DISCUSSIONS AND ALSO THEIR
HEALTH IN LETTING THEIR
COLLEAGUES KNOW WHAT GOES ON AT
COUNCIL AND TO TRY TO DEMYSTIFY
THE PROCESS OF THE FEDERAL
ADVISORY COUNCIL, NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT SOME
PERSONNEL CHANGES AT NIGMS,S AND
FIRST WE'RE HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE
NEW HIRES, STARTING WITH
LAMISUCCESSES E [INDISCERNIBLE]
WHO IS A NEW PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN
OUR TWD DIVISION, AND PAULINE
CUPIT IS PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN OUR
RESEARCH CAPACITY BUILDING.
AND MARIE HARTON, IS A PROGRAM
DIRECTOR IN OUR PREDOCTORAL
DIVISION AND OLG KOVBASNJUK,
PROGRAM DIRECTOR ALSO IN THE
RESEARCH CAPACITY BUILDING.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO VERY PLEASED TO REWELCOME,
WELCOME BACK MERCEDES RUBEIO WHO
WAS A PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN TWD
AND HAS NOW TAKEN ON THE ROLE OF
THE CHIEF OF PREDOCTORAL
BIOMEDICAL AND BASIC MEDICAL
SCIENCE TRAINING PROGRAM IN TWD.
KALYNDA GONZALEZ STOKES IS A
PROGRAM OFFICER AT TWD AND
YOGESH WAIRKAR, YOGI TO THOSE OF
US HERE IS A PROGRAM DIRECTOR IN
DGMC, AND JEAN YUAN, CHIEF,
BIO-INFORMATICS AND
COMPUTATIONAL BIOSCIENCES.
THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS TO
ALL OF YOU.
NEXT SLIDE.
COUPLE PROMOTIONS TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF.
CLAUDIA GRON SWROL CLAUDIA GONZM
MANAGER FOR DIVISION OF
MANAGEMENT AND SHE'S BEEN THERE
FOR SOMETIME AND DONE TREMENDOUS
WORK THERE AND KEVIN LAWEDDER
DALE WHO MANY OF YOU ON COUNCIL,
PROBABLY ALL OF YOU ON COUNCIL
ARE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE HE
WORKS CLOSELY WITH OUR COUNCIL
IS NOW STAFF ASSISTANT IN THE
DIVISION OF EXTRAMURAL
ACTIVITIES AND IT WILL BE GREAT
TO HAVE HIS CONTINUED ASSISTANCE
IN DOING THIS THESE MEETINGS AND
EVERYTHING ELSE HE DOES IN DEA.
OF COURSE THERE HAVE BEEN
DEPARTURES AS WELL.
PETER LISTER, PROGRAM OFFICER IN
BBBC RETIRED AS DID RUTH ROSMAN
WHO WAS THE SCIENTIFIC OFFICER.
EILEEN ONI WHO WAS IN OUR DEMA
GROUP HAS MOVED TO THE OFFICE OF
THE NIH DIRECTOR, TAKEN A
PROMOTION THERE, AND ROMEO TENG
EY, ALSO TOOK A PROPOTION AND
MOVED TO THE OFFICE OF THE
DIRECTOR IN OER.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NIH WIDE SOME BIG COMINGS AND
GOINGS WERE ANNOUNCED AS WELL,
MOST OF YOU HEARD PRESIDENT
BIETDEN INTENDS TO APPOINT
MONICA BERTAGNOLLI, TO THE
DIRECTOR OF OF NCI, SEE IS A
SURGEON-ONCOLOGIST AT THE
RICHARD E. WILSON PROFESSOR OF
SURGERY IN THE FIELD OF SURGICAL
ONCOLOGY AT HARVARD MEDICAL
SCHOOL, SHE SPECIALIZES IN
GASTROINTESTINAL CANCERS AND HAS
BEEN A STRONG ADVOCATE OF
PATIENT ENROLLMENT IN CLINICAL
TRIALS.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH HER CLOSELY IN THE COMING
YEARS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALSO VERY PLEASED TO,A NOUNS A
NEW DIRECTOR FOR NIH'S OFFICE OF
EQUITY DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION,
KEVIN WILLIAMS, HE WAS SELECTED
ATSELECTEDAS THE DIRECTOR IN JUD
REPLACES DR. CHU, AND HE WILL
PROVIDE THE STRATEGIC DIRECTION
FOR NIH INTERNALOT INTERNAL
WORKFORCE ON DIVERSITY,
INCLUSION AND ACCESSIBILITY AND
WILL SERVE AS NIH'S EQUAL
EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY OFFICER.
HE COMES TO US FROM THE FEDERAL
TRADE COMMISSION WHERE HE WAS
THE DEPUTY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS, THAT
TONY FAUCI, AFTER A HISTORICALLY
LONG RUN AT THE NIH WILL BE
STEPPING DOWN AS DIRECTOR OF
NIAID AND THE LABORATORY OF
IMMUNO REGULATION AS WELL AS
CHIEF MEDICAL ADVISOR TO
PRESIDENT BIDEN IN DECEMBER.
HE HAS SERVED AS THE NIAID
DIRECTOR FOR 38 OF THE 54 YEARS
AT NIH, HAS ADVISED 7 U.S.
PRESIDENTS INCLUDING HIV/AIDS,
WEST NILE, ANTHRAX ATTACKS,
PANDEMIC INFLUENZ, EBOLA, ZEKEA
AND OF COURSE COVID-19 AND
THAT'S JUST THE TIP OF THE
ICEBERG MUCH WHAT TONY HAS
CONTRIBUTED TO THE NATION.
HE PLANS TO PURSUE THE NEXT
PHASE OF HER CAREER, WE ARE ALL
LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT,A
MAZING THING HE DOES AS HIS NEXT
PHASE AND WE ARE INCREDIBLY
GRATEFUL TO EVERYTHING HE HAS
DONE, HE HAS AIAN TREMENDOUS
COLLEAGUE FOR ME AND EVERYONE
ELSE AT NIH AND HIS SERVICE TO
THE NATION I THINK IS LEGENDARY
AT THIS POINT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
>> ALSO A BIG DEPARTURE SOMEONE
WHO WILL BE GREATLY MISSED.
JIM ANDERSON WHO WAS THE
DIVISION OF PROGRAM CLANKING AND
STRATEGIC INITIATIVES KNOWN AT
NIHAS DPC PSI, MOST FAMOUS FOR
RUNNING THE NIH COMOND FUND BUT
LIKE MOST OTHER OFFICERS, HAS
RETIRED FROM FEDERAL SERVICE AS
12 YEARS.
HE WAS THE FIRST NONACTING
DIRECTOR OF DPC PSI AND HELPED
CREATE THAT PART OF THE OFFICE
FOR THE DIRECTOR AT NIH AND
CURRENTLY I BELIEVE A SEARCH
WILL BE LAUNCHED SOON TO FILL
HIS VERY BIG SHOES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR HELP IN
MAKING AWARE WE HAVE 2 PROGRAM
DIRECTOR POSITIONS OPEN, 1 IS IN
THE DEVELOPMENT AND CELLULAR
PROCESSES BRANCH, LOOKING FOR
SOMEONE WITH DEVELOPMENTAL
BIOLOGY EXPERT OOZE AND A
PROGRAM DIRECTOR POSITION AND
BIO-INFORMATICS AND
COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY BRANCH
WITHIN BBCB, PARTICULARLY FOR
SOMEONE WITH EXPERIENCE AND
COMPUTATIONAL BIOLOGY,
BIO-INFORMATICS AND DATA
SCIENCE, THOSE SORTS OF AREAS.
THE POSITIONS WILL OPEN TO
SEPTEMBER 21st AND CLOSE ON
SEPTEMBER 30th AS PART OF
NIH'S GLOBAL RECRUITMENT FOR
HEALTH SCIENTISTS ADMINISTRATORS
AND THERE'S A LINK THERE TO FIND
OUT HOW TO APPLY AND WE WOULD
CERTAINLY BE ABLE TO GIVE PEOPLE
ADVICE ON NAVIGATING THIS
PROCESS WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS
COMPLETELY SIMPLE FOR PEOPLE
FROM OUTSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT.
BUT PLEASE MAKE COLLEAGUES AWARE
OF THESE 2 VERY IMPORTANT
POSITIONS AND TRY TO HELP DRUM
UP SOME EXCELLENT APPLICANTS FOR
YOU.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I TOLD YOU LAST TIME ABOUT A NEW
STEM TEACHING RESOURCE PORTAL
THAT NIGMS HAS BEEN LEADING AS A
WIDE COLLECTION OF FREE EASY TO
ACCESS MATERIALS THAT EDUCATORS
CAN USE FOR K12 STUDENTS IN
SCIENCE.
WE HAVE BEEN MANAGING IT WITH AN
NIH WIDE COORDINATING COMMITTEE
AND THE PORTAL FEATURES MATERIAL
FROM 11 DIFFERENT INSTITUTES AND
CENTERS AT THIS POINT INCLUDING
A WIDE VARIETY OF CEPA FUNDED
PROJECTS, SO GREAT THINGS FOR
TEACHER, STUDENTS, AT HOME, ET
CETERA, AND THE PORTAL ALREADY
RECEIVED 20,000 VISITORS SINCE
IT WAS LAUNCHED SO IT'S GETTING
A FAIR AMOUNT OF ATTENTION.
YOU CAN SEE MORE AT THE WEBSITE
SHOWN HERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ANOTHER THING WE'VE BEEN DOING
THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOUR HELP IN
ADVERTISING AND JUST TO MAKE YOU
AWARE OF IS A 3 PART GRANT
WRITING WEBINAR SERIES, THIS IS
DESIGNED FOR FACULTY AND/OR
SPONSOR RESEARCH PROGRAMS OR
PERSONNEL AT INSTITUTIONS THAT
ARE BUILDING THEIR RESEARCH
CAPACITY AND RESEARCH TRAINING
CAPACITY.
THESE TEND TO BE UNDERRESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS THAT LOOKING TO
DEVELOP THEIR STRENGTH IN A
RESEARCH AND RESEARCH TRAINING.
THE FIRST WEBINAR WAS HELD ON
AUGUST 16th, I THINK 1500
PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR IT, SO THAT
SHOWS THE DEPTH OF INTEREST AND
NEED IN THIS AREA.
THE REMAINING 2 WILL BE ON
SEPTEMBER 26th AND
NOVEMBER 1st, SO WE ASK FOR
YOUR HELP IN GETTING THE WORD
OUT ABOUT THOSE.
TOPICS INCLUDE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR
DETERMINING RESEARCH IDEA AND
GRANT WRITING READINESS,
SELECTING OPPORTUNITIES TO APPLY
FOR, EFFECTIVELY WRITING AN
APPLICATION AND SEEKING
APPROPRIATE FEEDBACK AS WELL AS
OTHER IMPORTANT TOPICS.
WE DO REQUIRE REGISTRATION AND
WE CAN LEARN MORE AT THIS
WEBSITE SHOWN HERE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
COUPLE OF IMPORTANT NAMED
LECTURES FROM NIGMS THAT I WOULD
LIKE YOUR HELP MAKING THE
COMMUNITY AWARE OF.
THE FIRST IS THE JUDITH GREEN
BERG OTHERS EARLY CAREER
INVESTIGATOR LECTURE AND THIS
YEAR THIS LECTURE WILL FEATURE
CESAR DE LA FUENTE, WHO IS WITH
THE DEPARTMENTS OF
BIOENGINEERING, MICROBIOLOGY,
AND PSYCHEISTRY AT UNIVERSITY OF
PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TALK WILL
BE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
APPROACHES FOR ANTIBIOTIC
DISCOVERY, THAT WILL BE
SEPTEMBER 28, 1-2:00 P.M.
EASTERN TIME, IT WILL BE A
LECTDURE THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED
BY A Q&A SESSION, HE GEAR TOWARD
UNDERGRADUATE STUDENTS AND THE
IDEA IS TO GET UNDERGRADUATE
STUDENTS INTERESTED IN CAREER
RESEARCH AND YOU CAN PARTICIPATE
REMOTELY EITHER VIA ZOOM OR YOU
CAN WATCH IT LIVE ON THE NIH
VIDEOCAST AND TELL BE RECORDED
SO THAT IF YOU CAN'T SEE IT IN
REALTIME YOU CAN SEE IT LATER.
YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT CESAR WAS
AN EARLY ADHOC PARTICIPANT ON
OUR COUNCIL AS WELL SO IT'S
GREAT TO SEE HIM IN THIS LECTURE
ROLE NOW.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THEN THE SECOND LECTURE IS THE
DEWIT STINTON LECTURE AND THIS
YEAR PLEASED TO,A NOUNS THAT
SALLY HOTTER FROM THE UNIVERSITY
OF VIRGINIA WILL BE THE SPEAKER.
SHE'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE WEST
VIRGINIA CLINICAL SCIENCES AND
ASSOCIATE VICE PRESIDENT FOR
CLINICAL AND TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH AND PROFESSOR OF
MEDICINE AT WEST VIRGINIA
UNIVERSITY AND HER TALK WILL BE
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH, ENROLL
AMERICA, MUCH ACCOMPLISHED, MUCH
TO DO.
AND REALLY HE HAS BEEN A LEADER
IN BUILDING RESEARCH CAPACITY
PARTICULARLY IN CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH IN WEST
VIRGINIA AND IN THE IDEA STATES
AND UNDERRESOURCED STATES IN
GENERAL AND ARE THINK SHE WILL
HAVE MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THAT
TOPIC AND WHAT WAS LEARNED DOING
THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC.
THIS WILL BE NOVEMBER 30th
FROM 3-4:00 P.M., AGAIN LECTURE
FOLLOWED BY Q&A SESSION AND THIS
WILL BE ON ZOOM AND ALSO ON
VIDEOCAST AND RECORDED SO YOU
CAN WATCH AND PARTICIPATE EITHER
AT THAT TIME OR LATER.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO GET
INTEREST A FEW TOPICS BOTH FOR
YOUR INFORMATION AND ALSO TO GET
YOUR FEEDBACK ON PARTICULARLY
IMPORTANT AREAS OF THE AREAS
THAT WE'RE WRESTLING WITH.
FIRST I WANT TO MENTION TO YOU
IN CASE YOU DIDN'T SEE IT THAT
WE PUT OUT A POSTOT MIRROR
PROGRAM AND MONITORING OUTCOMES
AND TRENDS IN TERMS OF
DEMOGRAPHICS BETWEEN 2019 AND
2021.
AND THIS IS WORK THAT WAS LED BY
TRAVIS DORSEY AND ANDREW MIKOLOS
FROM OUR DEMA GROUP.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH A FEW
SALIENT DATA TABLES IN IN POST
BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO THE
POST AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE
THING BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TO IT
THAN WHAT I WILL SHOW YOU.
BUT AGAIN, WE WERE LOOKING AT
THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF MIRA
APPLICATIONS AND AWARDEES
BETWEEN FISCAL YEARS 19 AND 21
AS A FOLLOW UP TO AN EARLIER
POST THAT LOOKED AT 2016 TO 2018
AND WE BROKE THE GROUPS INTO 2
COHORTS, THAT IS THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS, AND ALSO THE
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS AND I
WILL START BY SHOWING YOU DATA
FROM THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS.
IF WE LOOK AT THE APPLICANTS,
RECEIVED, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE
PERCENTAGE OF UNDERREPRESENTED
PEOPLE IDENTIFYING AS FROM
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS WAS ONLY
4% AMONGST THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS MIREMARKSs AND
ONLY 24% OF THE APPLICANTS WERE
FEMALE.
SO CLEARLY THE ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATOR POOL WHICH WAS SET
BY THE PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED
RO-1 INVESTIGATOR POOL FROM
NIGMS UNFORTUNATELY IS
CONSIDERABLY UNDERREPRESENTED IN
PEOPLE FROM GROUPS THAT
UNDERREPRESENTED IN BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH, MORE SO THAN SHOULD BE
THE CASE FOR PEOPLE GRADUATING
PH Ds AND THE LIFE SCIENCES
AND IS ALSO CERTAINLY NOT 50/50
IN TERMS OF MALE, FEMALE RATIO,
DESPITE THE FACT THAT FOR MANY
YEARS NOW, Ph.D. GRADUATES IN
THE LIFE SCIENCES HAVE BASICALLY
BEEN 50/50 MEN AND WOMEN.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IF WE LOOK AT THE PERCENT OF
EACH OF THESE GROUPS, WHOSE
APPLICATAPPLICATIONS WERE DISCUD
DURING THE PEER REVIEW MEETING,
YOU CAN SEE THAT ALTHOUGH WE
DIDN'T QUITE REACH THE
SIGNIFICANCE, IT IS CLOSE THAT
THERE IS A DISPARITY BETWEEN
WHITE APPLICANTS AND ASIANS AND
MEMBERS OF UNDERREPRESENTED
GROUPS WITH WHITE APPLICANTS
BEING DISCUSSED 76% OF THE TIME
AND MEMBERS OF ASIAN AND
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS BEING
DISCUSSED 69 OR 67% OF THE TIME.
WHEN WE LOOK AT MEN AND WOMEN,
THAT IS MUCH CLOSER ACTUALLY
DISCUSS SLIGHTLY LARGER, HIGHER
PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME, 77%
VERSUS 73% ALTHOUGH THAT DIDN'T
REACH STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WHEN WE LOOK AT MEAN SCORES WE
DO SEE STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT
DIFFERENCES IN TERMS OF RACIAL
AND ETHNIC GROUPS, WHITE
APPLICANTS DO STATISTICALLY DO
BETTER THAN THE REST OF THE
GROUP, PARTICULARLY ASIANS MEAN
SCORE OF 36 VERSUS A MEAN SCORE
OF ABOUT 41 AND MEMBERS OF
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS WITH A
MEAN SCORE OF 39 AND A HALF.
WHEN WE LOOK AT MEN VERSES
WOMEN, INTERESTINGLY, WOMEN DID
BETTER THAN MEN IN THE PEER
REVIEW SCORE WITH A MEAN SCORE
OF ABOUT 36 VERSUS A MEAN SCORE
FOR MEN OF 38 AND THAT DID REACH
STATISTICAL SIGNIFICANCE AS
WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THEN IF WE LOOK AT EITHER THE
PERCENTAGE MUCH THE SCORED
APPLICATIONS THAT WERE FUNDED,
AWARDED OR THE PERCENTAGE OF THE
REVIEWED APPLICATIONS
PRIMATESICATIONS THEY WERE
AWARDED, WE SEE THERE ARE
STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT
DIFFERENCES THERE AS WELL WITH
WHITE APPLICANTS DOING BETTER
THAN BOTH ASIAN AND
UNDERREPRESENTED APPLICANTS
CONSISTENT WITH A DINNERSS IN
SCORES THAT I NOTED PREVIOUSLY
AND AGAIN, INTERESTINGLY WITH
FEMALE OR WOMEN APPLICANTS DOING
BETTER THAN MEN APPLICANTS DOING
DIFFERENCES IN SCORES IF ARE
THOSE 2 GROUPS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO 1 POSITIVE I WOULD GIVE YOU
AMONG DISPARITIES AMONGST ETHNIC
GROUPS OPPOSE TO WELL
REPRESENTED GROUPS AND THE FACT
THAT INITIALLY WHEN WE'RE
SETTING UP TO MIRA PROGRAM THERE
WAS A LOT OF CONCERN THAT
BECAUSE THE REVIEW WAS GOING TO
FOCUS ON PEOPLE'S SELF-REPORTED
ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE
APPLICATION THAT THIS MIGHT
ACTUALLY BE BIASING IT AGAINST
FEMALE OR WOMEN APPLICANTS
BECAUSE THE PERCEPTION WAS THEY
MIGHT BE LESS LIKELY TO ADEQU
ADEQUATELY TRUMPET THEIR OWN
ACHIEVEMENTS RELATIVE TO MEN
APPLICANTS BUT THIS SEEMS AT
LEAST IN THE PERIOD OF TIME
WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE MIRA
PROGRAM NOT TO BE THE CASE AND
IN FACT WOMEN ARE OUTPERFORMNESS
MEN IN PEER REVIEW FOR THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR MIRA
PROGRAM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
MOVING INTO THE EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATOR MIRA COHORT, AGAIN
BETWEEN FISCAL YEARS 19 AND 21,
IF WE LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS
RECEIVED, YOU CAN SEE THAT NOW
INSTEAD OF 4% FROM
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS, WE HAVE
8 PERCENT, SO THAT IS BETTER,
IT'S TWICE THE PERCENTAGE, BUT
IT IS STILL ABOUT HALF OF WHAT
YOU WOULD EXPECT FOR GRADUATES
AND THE LIFE SCIENCES WHO ARE
FROM UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS, SO
THEREFORE CONTINUED OUTREACH TO
THOSE GROUPS TO INCREASE
APPLICATION NUMBERS IS
WARRANTIED.
IF WE LOOK AT MEN VERSUS WOMEN
KLF-TWO IS 25% WOMEN IN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR POOL,
IT'S NOW A THIRD WOMEN, SO THAT
ANN IMPROVEMENT BUT AGAIN IT IS
NOT THE 50/50 BASED ON Ph.D.
GRADUATES AND THE LIFE SCIENCES
SO CONTINUED WORK AND OUTREACH
IS WARRANTIED THERE AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENT
DISCUSSED WITHIN GROUPS AND THIS
IS IN CONTRAST TO WHAT WE SAW
FOR THE ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR
MIRA, CAN YOU SEE THERE ARE NO
STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT
DIFFERENCES, IN FACT, REALLY NO
NOTABLE NUMERICAL DIFFERENCES
AMONGST THE GROUPS EITHER IN
TERMS OF RACIAL ETHNIC GROUPS OR
MEN AND WOMEN.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THE SAME IS LARGELY TRUE AT
THE SCORE LEVEL, STATISTICALLY
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES AMONGST
THE RACIAL ETHNIC GROUPS OR
BETWEEN MEN AND WOMEN, NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND THAT TRANSLATES INTO THE
FUNDING RATES AS WELL FOR SCORED
APPLICATIONS AND REVIEWED
APPLICATIONS, NO STATISTICALLY
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES AMONGST
THE GROUPS THERE AS WELL, SO I
THINK THAT IS PROMISING WE
CERTAINLY WILL KEEP OUR EYES ON
AND REPORT THIS DATA TO YOU AS
WE MOVE ALONG, BUT IN CONTRAST
TO THE INVESTIGATOR POOL WHERE
WE DID SEE DISPARITIES AMONGST
THE GROUPS WE ARE NOT SEEING
THOSE DISPARITIES FOR THE EARLY
STAGE INVESTIGATOR MIRA COHORTS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE AND THIS
SHOWS THEREFORE, THE
DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE MIRAKAA
FUNDED INVESTIGATORS THAT WE END
UP WITH IN THIS FY19-21 COHORT
COMPARED TO RO-1 INVESTIGATORS
IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME.
SO I THINK THE MAIN SALIENT
FEATURE HERE IS AGAIN THAT THE
R35, THE MIRA ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATOR POOL IS MORE
DIVERSE THAN EITHER THE RO-1,
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATOR POOL OR
THE ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR
POOL EITHER FROM MIRA OR FROM
RO-1S.
ALTHOUGH, AGAIN, STILL, NOT AT
THE LEVEL EXPECTED BASED ON
Ph.D. GRADUATES AND THE LIFE
SCIENCES INDICATING MORE WORK TO
DO AND THAT'S TRUE FOR
INDIVIDUALS FROM
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS AS WELL
AS FOR MEN AND WOMEN.
THE OTHER NOTE WORTHY THING I
WILL POINT OUT AND WE DON'T KNOW
THE REASON FOR THIS BUT THERE IS
A HIGHER PROPORTION OF ASIAN
AWARDEES AND I THINK ALSO
APPLICANTS IN THE RO-1 EARLY
STAGE INVESTIGATOR POOL, 10 IN
THE MIRA EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATOR POOL, SO THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT WE WILL
INVESTIGATE FURTHER TO TRY TO
UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THAT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, OKAY, SO
JUST TO SUMMARIZE THESE
DEMOGRAPHIC ANALYSIS AND TELL
YOU SOME OF OUR NEXT STEPS BASED
ON IT.
REVIEW AND FUNDING DISPARITIES
FOR UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS AND
ASIANS THAT ARE PRESENT IN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR MIRA
PROGRAM ARE NOT EVIDENT IN THE
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATOR MIRA
PROGRAM, SO, YOU KNOW THAT IS
BOTH GOOD NEWS AND BAD NEWS.
THINGS ARE APPARENTLY BETTER IN
THE EARLY STAIMG INVESTIGATOR
MIRA PROGRAM ALTHOUGH STILL ROOM
TO IMPROVE BUT THAT MEANS THAT
THEY ARE WORSE IN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR POOL,
NEXT SLIDE ISSUES PLEASE.
>> WOMEN ARE DOING BETTER IN THE
REVIEW THAN MEN IN THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR PROGRAM
WHICH IS INTERESTING AND
CONTRADICTS OR AT LEAST
ALLEVIATES THE CONCERNS THAT
WERE PRESENT EARLY ON IN THE
MIRA PROGRAM THAT WOMEN WOULD BE
DISADVANTAGESSED RELATIVE TO
MEN, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE WILL CONDUCT A STRATEGIC
OUTREACH CAMPAIGN TO TRY TO
INCREASE APPLICATIONS FROM
UNDERREPRESENTED GROUPS, THE ESI
MIRA AND EI MIRA PROGRAMS.
ONE THING WE HAVE DONE AS YOU
MAY RECALL IS NOW HAVE NEW
INVESTIGATORS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR
THE PROGRAM AND OUR HOPE TO
BRING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT
PREVIOUSLY FUNDED BY NIH AND MAY
BE FROM DIFFERENT INSTITUTIONS,
DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS THAN OUR
WELL REPRESENTED CURRENTLY INTO
THE FUNDING STREAM.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE WITH
COLLABORATIONS FROM CSR, MIRA
REVIEWERS GET CSRs BIAS
AWARENESS TRAINING, THIS WAS
DEVELOPED INITIALLY IN
COLLABORATION WITH NIGMS,
PILOTED IN THE MIRA PROGRAM AND
CSR HAS ROLLED THIS OUT FOR ALL
REVIEWERS THAT THEY USE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
AND FINALLY, WE WILL CONTINUE
OUR MULTISTAGE FUNDING DECISION
PROCESS TO INSURE FAIRNESS
ACROSS ALL GROUPS AND TO INSURE
THAT THERE ARE NO BIASES
CREEPING INTO THE SYSTEM AT THE
FUNDING DECISION MAKING STAGE.
NEXT SLIDE.
ONE OTHER BRIGHT SPOT I WANT TO
MAKE YOU AWARE OF IS THAT IF WE
LOOK AT THE APPLICATIONS AND
AWARDS THROUGH EARLY STAGE
INVESTIGATORS IN THE MIRA
PROGRAM AND IDEA STATES, THOSE
HAVE BOTH INCREASED OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS, DATA FOR 2018
AND 2021 ARE SHOWN HERE AND SO I
THINK THAT MAY SUGGEST
INCREASING INTEREST IN THE
PROGRAM FROM IDEA STATE
INVESTIGATORS, INCREASING
FEELING THAT THEY CAN BE
SUCCESSFUL IF THEY APPLY AND THE
DATA ARE RIGHT HERE THAT IN
FACT, THAT IS TRUE, AND MORE AND
MORE OF THEM ARE GETTING AWARDS
WHICH IS REALLY TERRIFIC TO SEE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO END WITH A
COUPLE OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS
FOR YOU THAT I'M HOPING TO HAVE
SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, THESE ARE
THINGS THAT WE ARE THINKING
ABOUT AND WRESTLING WITH AT THE
INSTITUTE AND WOULD VALUE
COUNCILS INPUT ON AND THEY'RE
BOTH RELATED TO BUDGETS.
THE FIRST THOUGH I WILL TALK
ABOUT IS THE NATIONAL RESEARCH
SERVICE AWARD OR NRSA
PREDOCTORAL, THAT'S GRADUATE
STUDENTS AND PREBACCALAUREATE
UNDERGRADUATE STIPEND LEVELS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST
AND CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY
ABOUT POTENTIAL INCREASING,
PARTICULARLY THE PREDOCTORAL
LEVELS IS WHAT WE ARE HEARING
THE MOST ABOUT BUT WE'RE ALSO
CONCERNED ABOUT THE
PREBACCALAUREATE LEVELS AS WELL.
AND THEN PETER ESPEN SHADE AND
OTHERS ASKED AND RAISED THE
QUESTION OF RESEARCH GRANT
BUDGETS AND THE LOSS OF THE
BUYING POWER OF THOSE BUDGETS TO
INFLATION OVER TIME AND THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT WE ARE
CONSIDERING IN THE MIRA PROGRAM
IN TERMS OF INCREASING THE FLOOR
FOR ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS TO
TRY TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT LOSS,
I WILL DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO GOING TO THE NRSA STIPEND
LEVELS FIRST, THIS SHOWS THE
ACTUAL STIPEND LEVELS OVER TIME
FOR POST DOCS AND THAT'S THE
YEAR 0 POST DOCS AND THAT'S THE
STARTING POST DOC SALARIES
INCREASE AS THE EXPERIENCE
LEVELS INCREASE AND PREDOC, THE
GRADUATE STIPEND LEVELS AND THEN
THE PREBACK, THE COLLEGE
STATEMENT LEVELS AND THAT'S
BETWEEN 1996 AND I GUESS 2021 OR
2; I THINK 22 HERE.
AND THESE ARE THE REAL DOLLAR
AMOUNTS, NOT CORRECTED FROM
INFLATION, SO YOU CAN SEE THAT
OVER TIME THESE LEVELS THAT
INCREASED, SO I THINK THERE IS A
BIT OF A MYTH OUT THERE MAYBE
THAT STIPEND LEVELS HAVE NOT
INCREASED OVER TIME BUT YOU CAN
SEE THAT EVERY YEAR, YEAR OVER
YEAR, THEY ACTUALLY DO INCREASE
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
WHEN THESE ARE ADJUSTED FOR
INFLATION AND WHAT WE USE HERE
IS THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, OUR
REASONING IS THAT STIPENDS ARE
DESIGNED TO PROVIDE FOR THE COST
OF LIVING FOR THESE TRAINEES AND
THEREFORE THE CONSUMER PRICE
INDEX IS PROBABLY THE MOST
RELEVANT INFLATIONARY INDEX TO
USE.
WHEN WE CORRECT THEM FOR THE
CONSUMER PRICE INDEX, YOU CAN
SEE THAT STIPEND LEVELS ADJUSTED
FOR 2021 LEVELS, INCREASE $2021,
ACTUALLY INCREASE QUITE
SUBSTANTIALLY IN THE PERIOD FROM
1996 TO ABOUT 2005 OR SO, SO
AROUND A BUDGET DOUBLING TIME
AND THEN REMAIN LARGELY FLAT IN
ADJUSTED DOLLARS.
POST DOCS, NIH INCREASED SEVERAL
YEARS AGO AS A TARGETED EFFORT
TO INCREASE POST DOC SALARIES,
THE TIME THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE
HAVING CHILDREN AND THINGS LIKE
THAT AND THERE WAS A REASONING
THAT THEY THEREFORE NEEDED SOME
ADDITIONAL STIPEND TO SUPPORT
THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.
IN CONTRAST, THE PREDOC LEVEL
HAS REMAINED INFLATION ADJUSTED
BASICALLY FLAT OVER THIS PERIOD
OF COURSE, EVERYTHING IN THE
LAST YEAR HAS DECREASED IN
INFLATION AND JUST IN TERMS
BECAUSE OF THE INCREASE IN
INFLATION IN THE LAST YEAR AND
THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THE
PREBAC LEVEL REMAINED FLAT OVER
THIS PERIOD WITH A BUMP IN 2018
OR SO, AND THAT THEN HAS GONE
DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF
INFLATION IN THE LAST YEAR.
OKAY, BUT THIS IS THE INFLATION
ADJUSTED NRSA LEVELS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO I WANT TO GIVE YOU
CONSIDERATIONS FOR THINKING
ABOUT NRA STIPEND LEVELS
INCREASE AGAIN, WE WILL FOCUS ON
REDOCTORAL STUDENTORRATE AND
LEVELS AND, SO GIVEN YOUR INPUT
THESE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER.
SO NEXT SLIDE.
SO DEMA IN OUR PUDGEET OFFICE
HAS DONE CALCULATIONS AND IF NIH
AND I SHOULD STRESS NIGMS CAN'T
READ THESE LEVELS OURSELVES,
THESE HAVE TO BE DONE NIH WIDE,
SO I'M GETTING YOUR INPUT SO WE
CAN BEGIN TO FORMULATE WHAT
ARGUMENT IS IN TERMS OF THE NIH
WIDE DISCUSSION ABOUT RAISING
THESE LEVELS.
SO RAISING THE PREDOCTORAL
STIPEND LEVEL TO 30 K, IT'S
CURRENTLY 26, 4, SO RAISING IT
TO 30 K WOULD COST NIGMS
$28 MILLION A YEAR, JUST NIGMS
IF SLOTS REMAIN CONSTANT.
NEXT SLIDE.
RAISING THE PREDOCTORAL STIPEND
LEVEL TO 35 K WOULD COST NIGMS
WOULD COST FRE COST $47 MILLIONF
THEY ARE ADJUSTED, SO THOSE ARE
SUBSTANTIAL SUMS OF MONEY.
THAT'S THE FESTER THING I WANT
TO MAKE CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SMALL
AMOUNTS OF MONEY, ALTHOUGH THE
CHANGE IN THE STIPEND LEVEL IS
NOT THAT BIG, IT TRANSLATES INTO
A VERY LARGE INCREASE IN NIGMS'S
TRAINING DOLLAR COMMITMENT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
NOW WE COULD OFFSET THESE LARGE
INCREASES BY CUTTING SLOTS SO
FUNDING FEWER TRAINING SLOTS BUT
THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF
STUDENTS RECEIVING SUPPORT AND
YOU KNOW 1 WOULD ARGUE THAT IF
OUR GOAL IS TO INCREASE FOR
INSTANCE THE DIVERSITY OF
TRAINEES IN THE BIOMEDICAL
RESEARCH ENTERPRISE THAT MIGHT
BE COUNTER TO THAT GOAL.
NEXT SLIDE ISSUES PLEASE.
NOW, A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO
CONSIDER IS THAT INCREASES IN
STIPENDS ARE PROPAGATED AS COSTS
TO RESEARCH GRANTS WITHOUT
CORRESPONDING BUDGET INCREASES
AT THE NONCOMPETING AWARD PHASE
AT LEAST.
SO IF WE INCREASE A STIPEND.
IF WE JUMP IT FROM 264 TO 30 OR
35 EVEN, THOSE COSTS WILL
PROPAGATE TO R01s OR MIRA
GRANTS UNTIL YOU COME IN FOR
RENEWAL YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
GET ANY INCREASE IN YOUR BUDGET.
AND OF COURSE, WHEN YOU COME IN
FOR RENEWAL, IF YOU DO GET AN
INCREASE IN YOUR BUDGET TO
COMPENSATE THESE COSTS WHICH
WOULD SEEM FAIR FOR SURE, THAT
WILL TRANSLATE INTO LESS MONEY
TO FUND RESEARCH GRANTS AND
THEREFORE FEWER PEOPLE WILL GET
RESEARCH GRANTS, SO I'M NOT
MAKING ARGUMENT 1 WAY OR THE
OTHER HERE BUT I'M TRYING TO LAY
EVERYTHING ON THE TABLE BECAUSE
HONESTLY, THIS IS A VERY
COMPLICATED DISCUSSION WITH A
LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND A LOT OF
CONSEQUENCES BOTH INTENDED AND
UNINTENDED.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
CO TRANSACTIVATOR THING TO
CONSIDER IS THAT WELL RESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS CURRENTLY
SUPPLEMENT PREDOCTORAL STIPEND
LEVELS ABOVE THE NRSA LEVELS IN
GENERAL.
I THINK SOMETHING AROUND 34, 35
IS KIND OF THE GOING RATE AT
MOST OF THE WELL RESOURCED
INSTITUTIONS THESE DAYS MPLET SO
TRAINEES AT THOSE INSTITUTIONS
MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY SEE AN
INCREASE IN THEIR STIPENDS EVEN
IF WE JUMP NRSALEVEL UP TO 35.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE
INSTITUTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THEY WOULD DO BUT THEY
COULD SAY, OH GOOD, WE DON'T
HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE AS MUCH OF
OUR MONEY ANYMORE AND THIS MONEY
WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO THE
INSTITUTIONS RATHER THAN TO THE
TRAINEES.
NOW, ON THE OTHER HAND
INSTITUTIONS COULD SAY, WE'RE
STILL GOING TO COMMITMENT THE
SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAN WE
GIVE TO THE TRAINEES AND
THEREFORE THEY WOULD SEE THE
INCREASE IN THEIR STIPEND, ABOUT
YOU THAT'S SOMETHING TO
CONSIDER.
INCREASING STIPENDS FOR
STUDENTSA WELL RESOURCED
TUITIONS MIGHT NOT LEAD TO AN
ACTUAL INCREASE IN STIPENDS IF
THAT MAKES SENSE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IN CONTRAST, LOWER RESOURCE
INSTITUTIONS TEND NOT TO HAVE
THE RESOURCES TO SUPPLEMENT THE
NRSA STIPEND LEVELS FOR TRAINING
GRANTS OR FOLLOW OSHIPS AND
THEREFORE, THE STUDENTS AT THOSE
INSTITUTIONS WOULD LIKELY GET
THE INCREASES IF THE STIPEND
LEVELS JUMPED SO THOSE ARE
THINGS TO CONSIDER.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO THAT IS INFORMATION ABOUT THE
NRSA STIPEND LEVELS, NOW I WILL
TELL BUT WHAT WE'RE THINKING IN
TERMS OF RAISING THE MIRA BUDGET
FOR ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS SO
HERE ARE DATA FOR NIGMS AVERAGE
AWARD SIZES FOR RO-1, R29S AND
THAT'S ARCHAIC INVESTIGATOR
GRANTS, R35S AND R37 GRANTS AND
THIS IS BETWEEN 1996 AND 2021.
THE BLUE LINE AT THE BOTTOM
SHOWS ACTUAL DOLLARS AND THEN
THE RED LINE AT THE TOP SHOWS
THE INFLATION ADJUSTED DOLLARS
RELATIVE TO $2021 AND WE USE THE
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT PRICE INDEX, BIRD
PIE AS IT'S CALLED TO DO THIS
BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE COST OF
DOING BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH AND
THEREFORE THAT SEEMED LIKE THE
BEST WAY TO ADJUST THE COST.
SO I MEAN YOU CAN SEE THAT
AGAIN, DURING THE BUDGET
DOUBLING PERIOD, THE AVERAGE
AWARD SIZE IN BRDPI ADJUSTED
DOLLARS DID INCREASE AND THEN IT
FELL AND IT HAS BEEN DECLINING
SOMEWHAT OVER TIME EVER SINCE
THEN SINCE BUYING POWER SINCE
1996 IS DOWN TO ABOUT 20%
RELATIVE TO THE $2021 DOLLARS.
IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE END FORT
PEAK AND THE BUDGET DOUBLING, SO
IT IS TRUE AS PEOPLE ARE SAYING
THAT BUYING POWER HAS
DIMINISHED.
I WILL SAY THAT YOU SEE THINGS
ON TWITTER AND ELSEWHERE THAT
CLAIM THAT THE BUYING POWER HAS
BEEN CUT IN HALF OR EVEN MORE IF
IT'S DOWN BY A THIRD OF WHAT IT
WAS, THAT'S NOT TRUE BUT IT HAS
GONE DOWN TO A NONTRIVIAL
AMOUNT.
SO THAT IS TRUE.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WITH WE ARE THINKING IS THAT
WE WOULD LIKE TO WITHIN THE MIRA
PROGRAM INCREASE THE FLOOR FOR
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATORS.
SO CURRENTLY NEW MIRA GRANTS TO
EIs HAVE A MEDIAN BUDGET OF
ABOUT $260,000 DIRECT COST WITH
A MODE OF 250 K, 250 K IS WHAT
WE SET THE FLOOR AT SO THAT MOST
GRANTS ARE EITHER AT 250 K OR IT
WOULD HAVE FOR ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS, ALMOST ALL GRANTS
OR EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS ARE
AT 250 K.
WE WOULD LIKE TO SET A TARGET OF
300 K DIRECT COSTS AS THE MEDIAN
AND THE MODE FOR ESTABLISHED
INVESTIGATORS IN THE MIRA
PROGRAM.
WE THINK THIS MIGHT BE FEASIBLE,
OF COURSE EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON
APPROPRIATIONS IF WE THINK THIS
MIGHT BE FEASIBLE.
I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT OUR
FOCUS IS ON RAISING THE FLOOR SO
THAT THE AVERAGE INVESTIGATOR IS
DOING BETTER AND HAS MORE MONEY
TO PROVIDE, TO PAY FOR RESEARCH
BUT OUR FOCUS IS NOT ON RAISING
THE CEILING, SO WE'RE NOT
LOOKING TO GIVE MORE FUNDING TO
PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY IN HIGH
LEVELS OF POSITION.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO NOW WE WILL GO TO DISCUSSION,
I WANT TO ASK YOUR HELP IN
GETTING THE WORD OUT THAT WE
HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE HAVE A
LOT OF INFORMATION OUT ON IT, WE
HAVE THE BLOGS IN PARTICULAR, I
THINK WE GET VERY SAD WHEN WE
SEE ON ON TWITTER PEOPLE SAYING
THINGS, YOU KNOW ABOUT NIGMS
THAT ARE JUST SIMPLY NOT TRUE
AND THEY HAD JUST TAKEN THE TIME
TO READ OUR LAST FEEDBACK WE
POST THEY WOULD ACTUALLY KNOW
THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS NOT
TRUE.
SO PLEASE ENCOURAGE YOUR FRIENDS
PARTICULARLY THOSE ON TWITTER TO
READ THE FEEDBACK LOOP POST
POSTS AND GET REAL TRUTHFUL
INFORMATION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE WILL
TAKE THE SLIDES DOWN AND WE WILL
GO TO A DISCUSSION, AND
HOPEFULLY SOME OF THOSE TOPICS
THAT I JUST BROUGHT UP FOR YOU.
SO LOOKS LIKE ANGELLA HAS HER
HAND UP.
>> ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FROM
THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE
ESTABLISHED MIRA POOL IF THAT'S
OKAY.
>> SURE.
SO IN THE FIRST SET OF
STATISTICS YOU NOTED ONLY 24%
FEMALE APPLICANTS IN THE
ESTABLISHED MIRA POOL, AND I WAS
WONDERING IF YOU'VE DONE ANY
ANALYSIS ON WHETHER THAT COULD
BE DUE TO OR COULD TRIBUTE TO
THE CONSTRAINT THAT PIs HAVE A
SINGLE PIR01 IN ORDER TO APPLY
FOR ESTABLISHED MIRA GRANTS AS
OPPOSE TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE FUND
THAGOREAN IS ALL CO PI OR
COLLABORATORS?
WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME IS
POTENTIALLY A DIFFICULT
CONSTRAINT GIVEN THAT YOU KNOW
COLLABORATIONS ARE OFTEN REALLY
HELPFUL FOR SORT OF IRPT
DISCIPLINARY RESEARCH THAT
PEOPLE ARE DOING?
>> YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY
INTERESTING POINT ANGELLA.
THAT NUMBER IS VERY SIMILAR TO
WHAT IT IS FOR THE RO-1
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR POOL SO
I THINK WHERE THEY COULD HAVE
DPI OR RO-1 GRANT, I THINK IT IS
SET BY DISPARITIES IN THE PROVE
ESTIMATE THADORUATE, ESPECIALLY
THE SENIOR PROVE ESESSORRIA
WHICH IS NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO
50/50 AND AT NIGMS INTERESTINGLY
IS A LITTLE WORSE IN THIS
REGUARD IN THE DISPARITY AND IN
THE EXPANDED INVESTIGATOR POOLS
AND NIH AS A WHOLE AND SEEMS TO
BE BECAUSE WE HAVE SCIENCE
FIELDS THAT ARE EVEN MORE IN
TERMS OF THE MEN, WOMEN AND
RATIO.
SO COMPUTER SCIENCE BASED
DISCIPLINES FOR EXAMPLE, AND IS
THERE ANYTHING ELSE--YOU
MENTIONED THE BROADENING OF THE
MIRA POOL THAT HADN'T HAD
FUNDING BEFORE, SO WHAT ABOUT
THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
CO-PIs AND HAD NIH FUNDING BUT
NOT A SINGLE PI OR RO-1 GRANT,
ARE THEY IN YOUR SIGHTS AS WELL?
>> VERY GOOD POINT ANGELLA, IT'S
DIFFICULT WHAT WE LEARNED AND
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO
DISENTANGLE THOSE PROGRAMS AND
HAVE THEM MOVE INTO MIRA IN A
WAY THAT MAKES SENSE BOTH FOR
THE PIs AND FOR THE INSTITUTE.
>> THAT MIGHT BE WORTH REALLY
FOCUSED DISCUSSION BECAUSE EVEN
IF THEY'RE AWARDED AND THEN AT
THE NORMAL RO-1 GRANT TRANSITION
THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE
DONE.
I BET PEOPLE WOULD BE OPEN TO
THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION
BECAUSE THE MIRA MECHANISM IS SO
STRONG AND PEOPLE WOULD REALLY
LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN IT.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA
AND WE WILL CERTAINLY DISCUSS
THIS FURTHER AND MAYBE IT WOULD
EVEN BE WORTH JUST YOU KNOW
HAVING PEOPLE FIND THE
TRANSITIONING, IF THE ENTIRE
TEAM WOULD,A PLIE WE COULD
TRANSITION THEM EACH TO THEIR
OWN MIRAs, THE TROUBLE IS IF 1
APPLIES OR THE OTHER 1 OR 2
DON'T THEN WE END UP WITH A
PROBLEM.
MAYBE THE AWAY TO,A PROACH IT
WOULD BE ALL OR NOTHING, IF YOU
ALL APPLY, WE WILL CONSIDER YOU
FOR MIRAs,.
>> OR OOM SURE THERE'S CREATIVE
SOLUTIONS IF IT'S A DOWN STREAM
DISENTANGLING OF A FINANCE
ISSUE, MY GUESS IS THAT ANYWAY,
I THINK PEOPLE WOULD--
>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.
WE WILL DEFINITELY CONSIDER
THAT.
THANK YOU.
NATALIE?
>> YEAH, THANKS JOHN.
WHAT IS THE PROJECTION OF THE
NUMBER OF T32 TRAINEES THAT
ARE--IT MIGHT BE EXPECTED TO BE
REACHED OVER THE LONG-TERM.
WILL IT STAY WHERE THE NUMBER IS
NOW OR IS THE IDEA THAT YOU KNOW
MORE INSTITUTIONS WILL BE
EXPECTED TO OBTAIN INSTITUTIONAL
TRAINING GRANTS AS THE FUNDING
MODEL FOR GRAD STUDENTS CHANGES.
>> SO, YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S
DIFFICULT TO SAY EXACTLY.
OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN
THE CURRENT LEVEL OR INCREASE
THE CURRENT LEVEL OF TRAINEES
THAT WE SUPPORT THROUGH TRAINING
GRANTS.
THAT CERTAINLY WOULD BE OUR
GOAL.
IF NIH DID INCREASE THE STIPEND
SUBSTANTIALLY, THAT COULD
REQUIRE US TO DECREASE IT.
IT'S ACTUALLY SOMEWHAT MORE
COMPLICATED THAN THIS BECAUSE WE
ARE TRANSITIONING PROGRAMS THAT
USED TO BE THROUGH THE R25
ACTIVITY CODE ON TO THE NRSAs,
THE T32s AND THE T34S WHICH
MEANS WE'RE INCREASING OUR
NUMBER OF NRSA SLOTS PRACTICES
JUDGE UOF THE FROM THAT ROLL
OUT.
IT'S A COMPLICATED DYNAMIC THERE
BUT OVERALL OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO
MAINTAIN OR INCREASE THE NUMBER
THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING ACROSS
THE COUNTRY.
>> SO THERE'S NO BALLPARK
ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH THAT
INCREASE MIGHT BE?
>> NO, BUT AGAIN IT WOULD BE
COMPLETELY OR SOMEWHAT DEPENDENT
ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE STIPEND
LEVELS.
LIKE IF THEY DO JUMP, WE WOULD
PROBABLY HAVE TO DECREASE THEM
SO THAT'S PART OF THIS
DISCUSSION IS THE TRADE-OFF
THERE.
LESLIE?
>> SO I ACTUALLY HAD A COMMENT
BACK ON THE MIRA THING SO I
DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO KEEP
GOING ON.
>> IT'S OKAY.
>> YEAH, SO, IT'S KIND OF A
FOLLOW-UP IN TERMS OF TALKING
ABOUT THE POOL SO I LIKE YOUR
NEXT STEPS FOR INCREASING THE
UNDERREPRESENTED BUT I NOTICE
YOUR COMPARING IT TO THE NUMBERS
FOR Ph.D.s AND DON'T YOU
REALLY NEED TO COMPARE IT TO THE
NUMBER OF PROFESSORS, RIGHT, THE
PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE IN THE POOL
THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE APPLYING
FOR GRANTS?
SO DO YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS?
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE Ph.D.s
MAY GO TO INDUSTRY, RIGHT, SO
THE WHOLE PROBLEM MAY BE
NOT--NOT NUMBER OF
GERONTOLOGYSTS'RE GETDING
AWARDED BUT THE NUMBER THAT ARE
EVEN THERE TO APPLY IN THE FIRST
PLACE.
>> CORRECT.
SO THIS IS A MULTICOMPONENT
PROCESS AND WE'RE TRYING TO
ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN
THE PROCESS THROUGH PROGRAMS
LIKE MOSAIC TO INCREASE THE
DIVERSITY OF PROVE ESTIMATE PRO
INSTITUTIONS NEED TO HIRE PEOPLE
BUT YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT.
WE ARE LIMITED BY WHAT THE POOL
LOOKS LIKE AT THE LEVEL OF
PEOPLE WHO WILL APPLY FOR THESE
GRANTS WHICH IS FACULTY MEMBERS,
YOU KNOW THAT GOES BACK TO THE
EARLIER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEN
VERSUS WOMEN RATIO.
BUT I THINK THE SUM OF ALL THE
PROGRAMS THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE AND NOW 1S WE'RE
LAUNCHING IS TRYING TO ADDRESS
EACH OF THESE POINTS IN TURN AT
LEAST IN 1 WAY IF NOT MULTIPLE
WAYS TO TRY TO MOVE YOU KNOW
APPROPRIATELY TO THE END POINTS,
RIGHT?
MELANIE?
>> SO MY QUESTION WAS AROUND THE
STIPEND ISSUE, I APPRECIATE THE
COMPLEXITY OF THIS GAME AND IT
FACT THAT IT'S A 0 SUM GAME, SO
IT'S COMPLICATED THAT BEING SAID
I WOULD SAY THAT THE CURRENT
VALUE STRIKES ME AS LOW, SO
RELATIVE TO THE SORT OF STIPENDS
AT LEAST IN CHEMISTRY SO JUST TO
SAY THAT, I GUESS ANOTHER
QUESTION IS HOW COMPLICATED, OR
HOW COMPLICATED DOES IT MAKE IT
TO INTRODUCE SPL SORT OF CAVEATS
OR ADJUSTMENTS, SO FOR EXAMPLE,
COST OF LIVING, VERY DIFFERENT
IN DIFFERENT PLACES, YOU KNOW
28,000 IN P A LO ALTO WILL NOT
GET YOU FAR BUT IT WILL BE GET
YOU FURTHER IN OTHER PLACES AND
IS THERE ANY FLEXIBILITY TO TELL
INSTITUTIONS IF WE RAISE THIS IT
HAS TO BE PASSED ON TO THE
STUDENTS RIGHT BECAUSE I AGREE
WITH THE INSTITUTIONS POCKETING
IS NOT THAT SATISFYING OF AN
OUTCOME SO DOES IT MAKE IT TOO
COMPLICATED TO INTRODUCE THOSE
KIND OF ASHES JUSTMENTS OR
CAVEATS ON THIS?
>> SO HOW WOULD WE DO IT?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I MEAN COST OF LIVING, I
FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME
KIND OF FEDERAL COST OF LIVING
INDEX RIGHT SO YOU WOULD
BASICALLY SAY, THIS IS YOUR COST
OF LIVING, THE MINIMUM STIPEND
IS X AND THEN WE WILL GIVE
ADJUSTMENTS ACARDINGLY RIGHT AND
THAT WOULD EVEN IT OUT ACROSS
DIFFERENT PLACES IN EMERGINGS OF
THE INSTITUTIONS I DON'T KNOW
HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS EXACTLY
BUT BASICALLY JUST SAY WE'RE
GOING TO RAISE THIS BUT WE'RE
ONLY GOING TO RAISE IT FOR YOU
IF YOU PASS IT ON TO THE
STUDENTS, I GUESS?
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO THAT
OR NOT BUT THAT WOULD BE MY
PROPOSAL IF IT WERE POSSIBLE.
>> YEAH.
I MEAN THE COST OF LIVING ISSUE
IS ANOTHER 1 OF THESE
COMPLICATED ISSUES RIGHT?
BECAUSE SHOULD THE TAXPAYERS BE
PAYING MORE FOR SOMEONE BECAUSE
THEY CHOSE TO GO TO OR WENT TO
GRADUATE SCHOOL IN A VERY
EXPENSIVE PLACE AND THEY COULD
HAVE GONE IN A LESS EXPENSIVE
PLACE, THAT IS AN ARGUMENT YOU
WOULD HEAR IF YOU TRIED TO DO
THINGS THAT WAY, RIGHT?
SO, AGAIN I'M NOT PASSING
JUDGMENT ON IT BUT I ANTICIPATE
THAT AS PUSH BACK FROM TYING TO
DO A COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT
SO WE WOULD GIVE MORE MONEY IN
PALO ALTO OR NEW YORK CITY OR
SOMEWHERE ELSE.
>> YEAH, A HUNDRED% MORE TO LIVE
IN PALO ALTO YOU WON'T GIVE THEM
A HUNDRED PERCENT MORE BUT SOME
ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF THE FACT THAT
LIVING IN ANN ARBOR AND LIVING
IN PALO ALTO ARE NOT THE SAME
AND THOSE STUDENTS ARE SUFFERING
AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THAT, I
AGREE IT'S COMPLICATES, JUST
PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
>> YEAH, GOOD POINT.
PETER?
>> THANKS.
TREMENDOUS APPRECIATION TO YOU
AND THE STAFF FOR TAKING UP THIS
QUESTION ABOUT INFLATION IN GNL
PARTICULARLY AROUND, YOU KNOW
THE RESEARCH GRANTS.
ONE QUESTION: SO WITH YOUR PLAN
IF IT'S ROLLED OUT WHAT DOES
THAT CURVE LOOK LIKE IF IT'S
IMPLEMENTED SO YOU SHOW US THE
DECLINING OVERALL PURCHASING
POWER WITH, IF YOU ACHIEVE THAT,
DOES IT GET IT HALFWAY BACK UP
TO 300 OR IS THAT MEANT TO GIVE
YOU ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE 300
NUMBER?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION,
PETER.
I WILL GO BACK AND ACTUALLY
MODEL THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION.
>> SO YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SAY WHAT
YOUR OVERALL GOAL IS.
IF IT'S AN INCREMENTAL CHANGE
YOU MAY BE SPENDING A LOT OF
MONEY FOR LITTLE EFFECT.
>> I THINK, IT'S GOING BASED ON
HOW MUCH THE DIFFERENCE WAS.
I THINK IT WAS AROUND 300,000 IN
ADJUSTED DOLLARS, RIGHT SO I
THINK IT WOULD GET YOU BACK TO
WHERE YOU WANT TO BE.
>> YEAH, SO TREMENDOUSLY, I MEAN
REALLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
ONE OTHER PLUG JUST IF THERE'S
ANY KIND OF ACUTE RELIEF THAT'S
ALSO AN ISSUE, IT SEEMS TO ME
THAT COMPANIES ARE TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES
TO GAUGE PEOPLE, NOTED THERE WAS
A SUPPLY OF SOMETHING THAT'S
$200 IN OUR CORE STORE WHICH IS
OUT OF STOCK BUT I CAN BUY IT
FOR $1200 FROM THE COMPANY
DIRECTLY, SO YOU KNOW THERE'S A
LOT OF--I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE
ARE DOING, YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST
1 INSTANCE THAT'S ANECDOTAL BUT
AT THE END OF THE YEAR YOU MIGHT
DEPLOY THAT.
>> SO, 1 OTHER IDEA, IS IT
DOESN'T KNOW IF IT'S THERE OR
NOT, AT LEAST AT HOPKINS WE ARE
HEARING A LOT ABOUT STIPENDS AND
AND INFLATIONARY TAX AND DELAY
IN RENT INCREASES THAT ARE
BUMPED UP AND PASSED THROUGH
LIKE REALLY ACUTE ISSUES.
WITH EACH OF THESE TRAINING GANT
SPOTS THERE IS TUITION THAT'S
GIVEN TO THE INTUITION, SO, YOU
KNOW IF THERE'S THIS CONCERN,
YOU NOTED ABOUT THE INSTITUTION
ACTUALLY TAKING THAT MONEY, WHAT
ABOUT KEEPING IT COST NEUTRAL
AND TRANSFERRING THE CHANGE FROM
TUITION DOLLARS OVER INTO THE
STIPEND.
THAT IS A VERY INTERESTING IDEA.
I CAN ANTICIPATE THE PUSH BACK
WE WOULD GET FROM THE
INSTITUTIONS BUT IT'S AN
INTERESTING IDEA AND 1 THAT WE
CAN AT LEAST SUGGEST ON THE
TABLE.
>> AND THEN I PREFER THE 30
VERSUS 35 BECAUSE IF IT IS A BIG
JUMP FOR SOME STIPENDS IT
CREATES INEQUITY AMONG THAT
GROUP AND IT'S NICE TO CALL OUT
AND CELEBRATE THOSE WHO ARE THE
BEST IN THE COHORT BUT IT CAN
CREATE A LOT OF INEQUITY
DEPENDING ON THE BASE LINE
STIPEND IS.
I MEAN, DO YOU PETER AS A
GRADUATE DEAN HAVE A SENSE AT A
WELL RESOURCED INSTITUTION HAVE
A SENSE--DO YOU THINK DEAN'S
OFFICES WOULD CONTINUE TO PUT IN
THE MONITOR THEY ARE PUTTING IN
OR WOULD THEY JUST ABSORB THE
MONEY AND TAKE IT BACK AND LEAVE
THE STIPULATIONS PEBDS THE SAME?
>> IT PROBABLY DEPENDS ON HOW
THE FUNDS FLOW.
SO AT SOME INSTITUTION ITS
THERE'S ACTUALLY A BUDGET THAT
IS CONTROLLED AND THE GRADUATE
SCHOOL MAY ACTUALLY DISPENSE
THOSE FUNDS IN WHICH CASE IT
WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
I THINK AT OTHER INSTITUTIONS IT
MAY BE THAT THEY JUST SORT OF
CUT THOSE COSTS AND IT'S WHAT
YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE, BUT IT
DEPENDS ON REALLY WHO'S IN
CONTROL OF MONEY.
>> DANIELLE?
>> I [INDISCERNIBLE] SO I WAS
WONDERING IF YOU HAD A SENSE OF
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, IF THE
STIPENDS WERE DONE SHOULD I
THINK OF THIS HAS PEOPLE
SUFFERING OR SHOULD I THINK OF
THIS AS PEOPLE NOT GOING INTO
SCIENCE AND LOSING TALENT A
RESULT OF THAT.
IF IT'S THE LATTER MY BROAD
INTUITION IS THAT IT'S BETTER TO
KEEP--TO HAVE THE FUNDING LEVELS
AT A POINT WHERE YOU'RE NOT
LOSING TALENT AT THE EARLY
STAGES OF THE FUNNEL BECAUSE
ULTIMATELY KIND OF THE
PRODUCTION OF SCIENCES, IT'S NOT
LIKE MANUFACTURING IN THE SENSE
WHERE EVERYONE'S MARGINAL
SCIENCE MATTERS THE SAME, IN
SCIENCE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE
WHO WILL HAVE REALLY GOOD IDEAS
AND WE NEED TO FIND THEM AND
SUPPORT THEM AND THEN THE 30th
PERCENTILE PERCENT ACTUALLY
ISN'T MOVING IN THE SAME WAY SO
IT'S MORE OF A LOTTERY AND SO IN
THAT WORLD, YOU WANT TO GET MORE
PEOPLE IN AND THEN SO, IF IT
WERE REALLY A ANSWER SUM GAME,
MY SENSE WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD
WANT TO HAVE THE STIPENDS ALLOW
FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO ENTER AND
THEN TAKE THE MONEY THAT YOU
WOULD SAVE, YOU WOULD LOSE FROM
THAT AND CUT GRANTS AND FULL
GRANTS LATER ON, AS SOMEONE WHO
HAS LOOKED AT THE BROAD
DISTRIBUTION OF GRANTS AND WHAT
THEY PRODUCE, THERE'S A LOT OF
RESEARCH, THERE'S A LOT OF LABS
THAT SORT OF GET RO-1s YEAR
AFTER YEAR BUT THEY'RE PRODUCING
RESEARCH AND LIKE, LOW, MEDIUM
QUALITY NORMAL SCIENCE AND THAT
PROBABLY, THE MARGINAL VALUE OF
CUTTING THAT TO SUPPORT MORE
EXPLORATION IN THE BEGINNING IS
HIGHER.
AND 1 LAST POINT ON NON0
SOMETHINGS, HAS THE IN, IEKS H
THOUGHT THAT THE BARGAINING
PROCESS FOR MEDICARE BUT THEY
WILL BARGAIN DIRECTLY FOR DRUGS
AND SUPPLIES AND THINGS LIKE
THAT IS THAT AN ANALOGY THAT THE
NIH COULD DO IF NIH FUNDED
WORKFORCE WAS SORT OF THE
LARGEST BUY ARER OF CERTAIN
SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION AND
THINGS LIKE THAT BEING ABLE TO
DO ANYTHING COLLECTIVE SO THAT
INDIVIDUAL LABS AREN'T PAYING
REALLY HIGH PRICES?
>> I DON'T KNOW.
FOR THE LAST QUESTION, I DON'T
KNOW.
I'M SURE THERE'S LAWS GOVERNING
THOSE SORTS OF THINGS AS THEY
WERE FOR DRUG PRICES BUT IT'S A
GOOD QUESTION, AND I THINK
PETER'S COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW
VAST DIFFERENCES IN PRICES FOR
SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES IS 1 THAT I
THINK I WILL BRING BACK TO NIH
LEADERSHIP AND SEE IF THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT'S NOTED ELSEWHERE
AND WHETHER THERE'S ANYTHING WE
CAN DO ABOUT IT OR NOT, I DON'T
KNOW BUT IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
YOUR OTHER COMMENTS ARE VERY
WELL TAKEN.
ONE THING WE HEAR A LOT AND THIS
IS ANECDOTAL, WE DO HEAR THAT
PEOPLE ARE DECIDING SAY, NOT TO
DO POST DOCS IS OFTEN WITH WE
HEAR BUT ALSO NOT TO GO TO
GRADUATE SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE
LOW STIPE STIPENDS AND INSTEAD I
GO INTO INDUSTRY FOR EXAMPLE.
SMRKS MY STRONG INTUITION ABOUT
WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING INTO
POST DOCS, IS NOT BECAUSE OF THE
STIPEND IS THAT THEY'RE
PROJECTING POST DOC AFTER POST
DOC AFTER POST DOC, SO I DON'T
THINK IT'S THE STIPEND, BUT
PERFORMANCE IN TERMS OF CAREER
SORT OF LOOK FORWARD TO A GOOD
CAREER AFTERWARD, I THINK--YOU I
THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE WILLING TO
HAVE LOW STIPENDS EARLY ON IF
THEY TRULY BELIEVE THE CAREER
HAS POSSIBILITIES, I THINK THE
PROBLEM IS THAT IF THEY'RE
LOOKING AT SOMETHING WHERE YOU
KNOW THEIR CHANCE OF GETTING AN
RO-1 OR GETTING A FACULTY JOB
ARE VERY LOW AND YOU KNOW
THEY'RE DEFERRING A LOT OF THEIR
LIFE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE
STIPEND IS A GOOD THING, I THINK
IT'S THE ANTICIPATE OF A CAREER.
>> INTERESTING.
AND I ALSO WONDER THIS IS PART
OF THE POINT YOU WERE MAKING IS
SOMEONE IS MAKING A DECISION
BASED ON THEY COULD GET TWICE AS
MUCH SALARY IF THEY WENT TO
INDUSTRY AS OUR RAISING A
STIPEND BY $3600 A YEAR GOING TO
MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AND I WOULD
BE INTERESTED YOUR THOUGHTS
MAYBE LATER AND HOW DO YOU
CALIBRATE THOSE THINGS BECAUSE
WE CAN RAISE IT TO $3500,
BECAUSE $35,000, BUT THAT'S
STILL NOT GOING TO COMPETE WITH
INDUSTRY.
SO WILL SOMEONE'S PERCEPTIONS
AND THEIR CAREER DECISIONS
CHANGE BASED ON THEN, HOW MUCH
DO YOU HAVE TO RAISE SOMETHING
BEFORE IT ACTUALLY CHANGES
SOMEONE'S DECISIONS.
>> I CAN SEND YOU SOME PAPERS.
>> OKAY, I WOULD BE VERY
INTERESTED IN SEEING THOSE.
I THINK ANGELLA, AIM EXPE NICOLE
HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.
ANGELLA YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?
>> FORGIVE ME IT'S SORT OF AN
ASPIRATIONAL COMMENT, YOU KNOW
THE FIRST THING I NOTICE WHEN WE
STARTED DISCUSSING THE SIGNIFY
PEND LEVEL SYSTEM WHAT A TANGLED
PROBLEM IT IS, IT'S SUCH A
PROFOUNDLY DIFFICULT ECOSYSTEM
IN WHICH TO PULL A LEVER AND SEE
WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU
HAVE TRAINING GRANTS IN THE MIX,
BASICALLY ALL INDEPENDENT AWARDS
TO PIs THAT ARE FUNDING
STUDENTS ON THEIR AWARDS AND
ALSO NRSAs AND INDEPENDENT
[INDISCERNIBLE] FOR STUDENTS.
SO MY COMMENT IS WHETHER IT
MIGHT BE WORTH HAVING SORT OF
ASPIRATIONAL DISCUSSIONED ARO
AROUND--TRAINING ENVIRONMENT
ALSO GET-KIND OF LIKE A MIRA OR
SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THE
STUDENTS ARE CERTAINTIED ALL THE
WAY THROUGH AND IT'S PREOF
THEIGOUS TO BE PART OF IT AKIN
TO SORT OF AN INDEPENDENT
FELLOWSHIP.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW
SOMETHING LIKE THIS MIGHT WORK,
BUT IN THE SENSE IT MIGHT BE
INTERESTING KIND OF THOUGHT
EXERCISE FOR US BUT ALSO IF
IMPLEMENTED MIGHT GIVE YOU SOME
INTERESTING ABILITIES TO DO NEW
KINDS OF PILOTS BECAUSE THE
LIVERS WOULD BE MORE CLEAR,
RIGHT?
LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE A SORT OF
SELF-CONTAINED ECOSYSTEM,
RESEARCH FUNDING AND THE TRAINEE
OUTCOMES AND RUNNING THOSE
GROUPS.
SO ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO
THINK ABOUT IT, SORT OF 1 LEVEL
DOWN AND BE LIKE, MAYBE THERE'S
AN EXPERIMENTAL STRUCTURE IN
THINKING ABOUT IT?
>> IT'S A VERY INTERESTING IDEA,
I MEAN YOU REMEMBER YEARS AGO,
DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT MOVING ALL
STUDENTS TO TRAINING GRANTS
BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ON RESEARCH
GRANTS BUT YOUR IDEAS A MORE
LIKE INTERESTING MODEL, 1 THAT
MIGHT BE PILOTTABLE.
>> YEAH.
>> WE'LL THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING THING
TO SEE IF WE COULD DO SOME
EXPERIMENTS SO SEE IF YOU CAN
FIND A MOREENTIOUS FICIENT WAY
TO SUPPORT THE TRAINING WORK OF
GRADUATE STUDENTS.
WE WILL GIVE THAT SOME THOUGHT.
AMY?
>> WELL, FIRST REGARDING PETER'S
IDEA TAKING FROM THE TUITION, I
IMAGINE AT LEAST AT MY
UNIVERSITY THAT I WOULD BE ASKED
TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE IN
TUITION.
BUT WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO ASK
ABOUT WAS THE LAST POINT WHERE
YOU NOTED THAT AT HIGHER
RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS THE
STIPENDS ARE ALREADY UP AT LIKE
35 SO MAYBE IT WOULDN'T IMPACT
THAT MANY STUDENTS AND I'M
WONDERING IF YOU ACTUALLY HAVE
THE NUMBERS ON THAT?
LIKE, YOU KNOW ARE MOST OF THE
TRAINING GRANTS ALREADY AT THESE
HIGHER RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS?
SO, YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT IS THE
MAXIMUM IMPACT THAT RAISING THE
STIPEND COULD ACTUALLY HAVE?
>> WELL, THIS IS PART OF WHAT I
WAS SAYING BEFORE, IF YOU TALK
10 YEARS AGO, I WOULD SAY MOST
OF THE T32S THEY WERE AT HIGHER
RESOURCE INSTITUTIONS BUT
BECAUSE WE MOVED ALL OF OUR
DIVERSITY BUILDING PROGRAMS TO
THE NRSA MECHANISMS OR IN THE
PROCESS OF DOING THAT, THAT'S NO
LONGER THE CASE BY ANY MEANS, SO
I THINK YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT
BOTH THOSE GROUPS THAT MIGHT
HAVE LESS OF AN EFFECT ON A
STUDENT IN A HIGH RESOURCE
INSTITUTION BUT COULD HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT RESOURCE AT A LOWER
E SOURCE INSTITUTION AND WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN THAT STUDENT GOES
OFF THE TRAINING GRANT HOW IS
THE STIPEND LEVEL MAINTAINED?
>> WELL, SO THEN THEY ARE
USUALLY PAID OFF RESEARCH GRANT.
MOST PLACES OR THE STIPEND YOU
CAN BE PAID OFF THE RESEARCH
GRANT WILL BE SET BY THE NRSA
LEVEL, BUT THE INSTITUTION AGAIN
CAN CONTRIBUTE TO MAKE THAT
HIGHER WITH THEIR OWN FUNDS.
>> RIGHT, BUT IF THEY COME OFF
AND THERE AREN'T THE FUNDS THEN
THEY'RE--
>> EXACTLY.
>> YEARS 35 AND BACK DOWN TO 26
WHICH WOULD BE HORRIBLE.
>> WELL IF WE RAISE IT TO 35, IT
WOULD STAY AT 35, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT, BUT THEN AFTER THEY'RE
NOT ON THE TRAINING GRANT
ANYMORE WHO'S PAYING THEM THE
35?
>> IT WOULD COME OUT OF YOUR
RO-1.
>> RIGHT.
>> [LAUGHTER]
>> RIGHT AND THEN ESPECIALLY AT
THE UNDER RESOURCED INSTITUTIONS
THEY MAY NOT HAVE THOSE KIND OF
RO-1s SO THEN THEY'RE GOING TO
BE LIKE SORRY I DON'T HAVE MONEY
IN MY RO-1 SO YOU'RE BACK TO THE
STANDARD PROGRAM STIPEND COULD
COULD BE VERY HARD FOR SOMEONE
WHO'S PAYING RENT TO HAVE A CUT
LIKE THAT.
>> YES, THESE ARE ALL THE
COMPLEXITIES, I AGREE.
>> NICOLE.
SO I ACTUALLY LIKE, I THINK IT
WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT AN
ANALYSIS AND PETER'S QUESTION
ABOUT TUITION BECAUSE I SUSPECT
THE WAY IT'S SET UP THAT THERE'S
VERY DESPERATE AMOUNTS OF
TUITION FOR TRAINEE FLOWING TO
DIFFERENT INSTITUT INSTITUTIONSN
THEIR TUITION RIGHT?
IT'S KIND OF A HIDDEN COST THAT
IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
SECOND THING, THE OTHER PIECE OF
THIS IS, YOU KNOW CAN YOU LINK
WITH TRAINEE STIPENDS ARE TO THE
INVESTIGATOR SALARY CAPS OF NIH
AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IS
WHAT IS THE RATE--WE TALK ABOUT
CEOs VERSUS HOW MUCH THE
PERSON AT THE BENCH IS PAID,
WHAT'S THE RATIO OF SALARY AND
HOW THAT RATIO HAS INCREASED
OVER TIME.
WHAT'S THE SALARY CAP AND WHAT
PERCENT OF THE INVESTIGATOR
SALARY CAP SHOULD THE TRAINEE
LEVEL BE SET AT SO THAT THAT GAP
ISN'T GROWING OR DO YOU MAINTAIN
THE CAP AND GROW THE TRAINEE
STIPENDS BECAUSE THE FUTURE IS
AS IMPORTANT.
IS THAT A LEVER THAT CAN BE USED
TO GET THE INSTITUTIONS TO
CONTRIBUTE A BIT MORE TO THE
SELLSALARY LEVELS AS INFLATION S
UP BECAUSE I THINK THOSE ARE
HIGHLY LINKED AS WELL IN TERMS
OF HOW YOU'RE USING THE RO-1 OR
THE R35 MONEY.
>> INTERESTING QUESTION.
THE SALARY CAP IS SET BY
CONGRESS, NOT BY NIH.
BUT WE COULD LOOK AT THE RATIO
OVER TIME AND SEE, YOU KNOW THAT
GIVES US ANY INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S AN INTERESTING
QUESTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE
CONTROL OVER THAT THE WAY WE DO
AT THE NRSA LAB.
>> AND JUST THE LAST POINT, I'M
HEARING FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT
PEOPLE AND INSTITUTIONS THAT THE
POST DOCS ARE JUST EVABIATING
BECAUSE OF THE BIOTECH INDUSTRY
BUBBLE OF CASH.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S VERY
DIFFERENT, THEY'RE HIRING
Ph.D.s, AND THEY ARE HIRING
BACHELOR'S STUDENTS BUT THE
Ph.D. VERSUS THE BACHELOR'S IS
VERY DIFFERENT, INTERESTING HOW
LONG THE BUBBLE WILL LAST.
>> SO WE DID ACTUALLY
SUBSTANTIALLY INCREASE THE POST
DOC SALARY RECENTLY BUT AS I WAS
MENTIONING, IT'S A DROP IN THE
BUCKET RELATIVE TO WHAT INDUSTRY
CAN PAY AND THERE'S NO WAY WE
WILL GET TO A LEVEL OF INDUSTRY.
>> LESLIE AND THEN I THINK WE
WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
SESSION.
>> YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO
SOME OF AMY'S COMMENTS BECAUSE
YOU HAD KIND OF ASKED HOW IT
MIGHT WORK AND I THINK DIFFERENT
INSTITUTIONS ARE VERY DIVERSE
WHICH IS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND
SO FOR EXAMPLE AT UC DAVIS
BECAUSE OF THE COST OF LIVING
LIKE WE HAVE A RULE THAT WE HAVE
TO PAY THE GRAD STUDENTS THE
STIPEND OF 35,000, SO, IF THE
TRAINING GRANT IS ONLY PAYING A
CERTAIN AMOUNT, THAT WILL COME
OUT OF OUR GRANTS AND EVEN IF
THE TRAINING GRANT HAS FIGURED
OUT HOW TO PAY THE STUDENTS THAT
STIPEND, WHEN THEY COME OFF,
THEY WILL STILL GET THAT SAME
AMOUNT BUT THAT MEANS OUR
GRANTS, YOU KNOW GO LESS FAR
THAN IN OTHER PLACE.
MONEY'S STILL COMES OUT OF NIH
AT SOME POINT, BUT IN TERPS OF
THE TUITION--TERMS OF THE
TUITION, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO
PAY THE TUITION IF THE TRAINING
GRANT ISN'T PAYING IT AND
ACTUALLY WE HAVE WEIRD RULES
LIKE YOU CAN'T PAY THE TUITION,
IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING THE
STUDENT'S STIPEND.
SO THERE'S LIKE IF YOU TOOK THE
MONEY OUT OF THE TUITION TO PAY
THE STIPEND, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE
A MESS AT DAVIS, I DON'T KNOW IF
OTHER PLACES HAVE THESE WEIRD
RULES OR NOT.
AND THEN ALSO--
>> I THINK EVERYWHERE HAS WEIRD
RULES, I CAN TELL YOU THAT.
>> TO DANIELLE'S COMMENT
APPROXIMATE AND THEN EARLIER
ABOUT THE COST OF LIVING YEAH,
SO I KNOW IT'S TRICKY BUT I LIKE
THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME KIND OF
COST OF LIVING FOR DIFFERENT
INSTITUTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S A
REAL THING AND SO, YEAH, TO
ATTRACT STUDENTS AND GET THEM TO
DAVIS, RIGHT?
WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH
MONEY TO SUPPORT THEMSELVES
WHILE THEY'RE HERE BUT THIS IS
TRAINING, RIGHT?
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMPETING
WITH COMPANIES AT THIS LEVEL, I
THINK THAT IS TRUE OF THE POST
DOC LEVEL MPLET BUT WE HAVE TOR
THAT SUPPORT OR WE'RE NOT GOING
TO GET THE STUDENTS HERE.
SO, YEAH IT'S COMPLICATED.
>> THE COST OF LIVING ARGUMENT
BEFORE, EXACTLY.
>> YEAH.
>> I LIKE THE IDEA BUT I
UNDERSTAND.
>> NOTLY I WILL GIVE YOU THE
LAST WORD.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE
OF ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF
EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF STUDENT
SUPPORTED BY T32s, AND
INSTITUTIONS WHO GET THEM IN
DECISION MAKING, SO, SO IN MY
OPINION, THE VALUE OF T32s
GOES WAY BEYOND HOW MUCH THE
STUDENT GETS FROM NIH.
YOU KNOW AS MANY PEOPLE SAID,
YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCES IS
ALREADY SUPPORTED.
FROM THE INSTITUTION'S POINT OF
VIEW, THE T32s MAKE A HUGE
DIFFERENCE IN MY OPINION IN
THEIR ABILITY TO RECRUIT FACULTY
AND ALSO RECRUIT GRAD STUDENTS,
BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A
PERCEPTION OF INSTITUTIONS THAT
DON'T HAVE T32s, YOU KNOW
THERE'S KIND OF SOMETHING WRONG.
THE STUDENTS I DON'T DON'T THINK
CARE WHERE THE MONEY COMES, I
DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHERE THE
MONEY COMES FROM, WHAT THEY GET
IN THE VALUE OF THE T32s IS
THE TRAINING THEY GET AS A
RESULT OF THE T32s, SORT OF
THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY FORM AND
I THINK ALSO THE CHANGES THAT
HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE T32
EVALUATION METHODS, I THINK IT'S
FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THE WAY
STUDENTS ARE MENTOR TED AND I
THINK THIS IS A GREAT CARROT
THAT NIGMS HAS TO CHANGE THE WAY
STUDENTS ARE TRAINED AND IT'S A
HUGE VALUE AND IT WOULD ARGUE
FOR MORE INSTITUTIONS BEING ABLE
TO COMPETE FOR THE GRANTS SO
JUST WANT TO GET THAT ACROSS.
>> THANK YOU.
I THINK THAT'S VERY CONSISTENT
WITH OUR PHILOSOPHY AND OUR
GOALS.
SO, I APPRECIATE YOUR PUTTING A
PLUG IN FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT
REALLY IS I THINK THE WAY WE
LIKE TO HEAD.
ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT
DISCUSSION, EXACTLY WHAT I HOPED
WE WOULD GOET OUT OF THIS
SESSION AND IT'S A COMPLICATED
SITUATION AND IF SOMETHING COMES
FORWARD, SEND US AN E-MAIL AND
GIVE US ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS IF
YOU HAVE THEM.
OKAY, WE WILL NOW--LET'S SEE, WE
WILL DO SOME QUICK CONCEPT
CLEARANCES THEN WE WILL TAKE A
BREAK AND DO MORE CONCEPT
CLEARANCES.
SO, THIS IS THE PORTION WHERE WE
TELL YOU ABOUT EITHER RENEWALS
OF PROGRAMS THAT HAVE EXISTS
BEFORE AND GET YOUR APPROVAL TO
CONTINUE THOSE AND RIGHT THE
FOAs, AND/OR NEW PROGRAMS THAT
WE WILL LAUNCH AND WE TELL YOU
ABOUT, GET DISCUSSION, YOUR
INPUT AND AGAIN, HOPEFULLY GET
YOUR APPROVAL AS TO MOVE FORWARD
WITH IT.
I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ABOUT
SEVERAL RENEWAL PROGRAMS THAT
HAVE MINIMAL CHANGES AND WE'RE
JUST ASKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL TO
RENEW THOSE PROGRAMS AGAIN.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE FIRST IS THE IDEA CENTER AS
A BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH EXCELLENCE
OTHERWISE KNOWN AS COBRE PHASE
3.
THE COBRE PURPOSE OVERALL IS A
PROGRAM THAT HAS 3 SEQUENTIAL 5
YEAR PHASES, THE FIRST IS THAT
PHASE 1 ESTABLISH, PHASE 2
DEVELOP AND PHASE 3 SUSTAIN AND
MOVE INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF
OTHER FUNDING FROM OTHER
SOURCES.
INNOVATIVE CENTERS AND
STATE-OF-THE-ART RESEARCH
CENTERS IN IDEA ELIGIBLE STATES.
THEIR GOAL IS TRAINING AND
MENTORING JUNIOR FACULTY TO THE
POINT WHERE THEY CAN OBTAIN
THEIR OWN INDEPENDENT RESEARCH
FUNDING AND ALSO TO PROVIDE
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE FORM OF
CORE FACILITIES TO THE
INSTITUTION TO SUPPORT RESEARCH
IN THE AREA OF THE COBRE'S
CENTER INTEREST.
THE PHASE 3 PURPOSE IS TO
PROVIDE RESOURCES TO TRANSITION
COBRE'S TO SELF-SUSTAINMENT IN
TERMS OF GETTING FUNDING FOR
OTHER SOURCES, TO ALLOW THEM TO
CONTINUE DOING WHAT THEY'RE
DOING, MOSTLY IN TERMS OF
PROVIDING RESEARCH CORES AND A
PILOT PROGRAM TO ALLOW AGAIN
MOSTLY JUNIOR INVESTIGATORS TO
TEST OUT NEW CONCEPTS AND GET
PRELIMINARY DATA TO APPLY FOR
GRANT APPLICATIONS.
THERE ARE NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES
FROM THE PREVIOUS FOA THAT WE'RE
PROPOSING, EXCEPT TO ALIGN THE
PHASE 3 FOA WITH THE MOST RECENT
PHASE 1 AND 2 FOAs, THE 3
SALIENT TH THINGS ARE THE APPLIT
TYPES, ONLY NEW APPLICATIONS
WILL BE ACCEPTED AND NOT
RESUBMISSIONS.
THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL BE
COMBINED SUCH THAT THE INTERNAL
AND EXTERNAL COMMITTEES, WILL
MAKE 1 ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH 1
INSTITUTIONAL LEADER, 1 IN
TERNAL SENIOR FACULTY MEMBER AND
3 EXTERNAL SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS.
AND THEN, FINALLY, EVALUATION,
WE WILL MAKE THREER CLEAR THAT
THE ADMINISTRATIVE CORE SHOULD
BE PERFORMING EVALUATIONS AND
THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED BY THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
DO I HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS
ON THE PHASE 3 COBRE?
GO AHEAD AND RAISE YOUR HAND IF
YOU HAVE ANY.
ERICA WILL YOU TAKE A VOTE.
>> YES, SO TO KEEP THE VOTING
PROCEDURE STREAMLINED IN THE
VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT, I WILL BE
CALLING FOR A MOTION AND THEN
ASKING FOR ANY OPPOSITION TO THE
MOTION.
SO WHAT YOU WILL DO IS YOU WILL
RAISE YOUR HAND USING THAT
RAISED HAND FEATURE TO LET US
KNOW IF YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION TO
THE MOTION.
SO FOR THIS CONCEPT, I MOVE THAT
WE APPROVE FOR FURGTY
DEVELOPMENT AS AN FOA ARE ANY
OPPOSED?
AGAIN JUST RAISE YOUR HAND TO
INDICATE THAT YOU ARE OPPOSED?
OKAY, THE MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED.
>> EXCELLENT.
THANK YOU.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
>> THE NEXT 1 IS MODULES FOR
ENHANCING BIOMEDICAL WORKFORCE
TRAINING.
THIS IS A PROGRAM WE LAUNCHED
SOME YEARS AGO THAT STARTED OUT
TO FOCUS ON DEVELOPING TRAINING
MODULES TO THE COMMUNITY AND
EASILY ACCESSIBLE PARTICULARLY
IN THE AREA OF RIGOR AND
REPRODUCIBILITY RESEARCH BUT
THAT PROVED SO POPULAR THAT WE
COULD CHANGE THE YEARS OF
INTEREST YEAR BY YEAR TO GET
DIFFERENT TRAINING MODULES FOR
TRAINEES AND DIFFERENT
COMMUNITY.
OVERALL THEY SUPPORT THE
DEVELOPMENT OF TRAINING MODULES
THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT NO
COST TO THE BROADER COMMUNITY TO
ENHANCE TRAINING OF THE RESEARCH
WORKFORCE.
THE WAY WE DO IT NOW WE HAVE 1
FOR THIS PROGRAM, AND EVERY YEAR
WE PUT OUT A NOSI THAT SAYS WHAT
THE PARTICULAR TOPICS ARE.
WE WANT TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS
IN THAT YEAR.
SO WE CAN CHANGE IT FROM 1 YEAR
TO THE NEXT SOME OF THE RECENT
TOPIC AREAS WE'VE HAD THROUGH
THESE NOSIs WERE CREATING
SAFE, INCLUSIVE AND SUPPORTIVE
RESEARCH ENVIRONMENTS, ENHANCING
WELLNESS, AND ADDRESSING
STRUCTURAL RACISM AND
DISCRIMINATION IN THE TRAINING
ENVIRONMENT.
WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY SUBSTANTIVE
CHANGES FROM THE FOA AND TWD IS
THE DIVISION THAT MANAGES THIS.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT
THIS 1.
I SHOULD SAY THAT WE ARE
ACTUALLY DEVELOPING PART OF OUR
WEBSITE WHERE THESE NEW TRAINING
MODULTIMATELYS WILL BE LINKED SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN FIND THEM
EASILY.
ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
OKAY, ERICA, LESLIE.
>> SORRY, YEAH, I'M JUST CURIOUS
WITH PUTTING THEM ON THE
WEBSITE, LIKE IS THERE
ANY--GOING TO BE ANY WAY OF
GETTING THE CERTIFICATE THAT YOU
DID IT BECAUSE, RIGHT?
WE WANT TO INCORPORATE THESE
KINDS OF THING INTO OUR GRADUATE
PROGRAM BUT WE WANT SOME KIND OF
PROOF THAT SOMEBODY REALLY DID
SOMETHING.
AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE THESE 3
MODULES.
>> THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, WE WILL
THINK ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A
WAY WE CAN DO IT OR IT WOULD BE
ENCOURAGED THAT THE BACK END OF
PEOPLE WHO DEVELOPMENT OR SOME
OTHER WAY WE CAN DO IT.
IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS?
OKAY, ERICA?
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR URGTER DEVELOPMENT
FOR FOA, ANY OPPOSED?
>> OKAY, MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY
APPROVED.
>> THANKS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
>> NEXT IS RING THE MI RA FOR
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS AND
YOU HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT OUR
ANALYSIS OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC
TRENDS IN MIRA AND THE PURPOSE
OF MIRAKAA IS TO PROICIDE
SUPPORT FOR A PROGRAM O RESEARCH
IN THE LABORATORY IN THE
DIVISION OF NIGMS AND THE GOAL
IS TO INCREASE EFFICIENCY AND
EFFICACY OF OUR FUNDING AND THE
PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO ENABLE
INVESTIGATORS TO APPLY EARLIER
IN THEIR CAREERS, WE WOULD LIKE
TO THEM APPLY RIGHT AS SOON AS
THEY BECOME AN INDEPENDENT
RESEARCHER, ENHANCE THEIR
ABILITY TO MOVE INTO RESEARCH
AREAS THAT ARE DISTINCT FROM
THOSE OF THEIR POST DOCTORAL
MENTORS, INCREASE THE STABILITY
OF FUNDING FOR INVESTIGATORS
WHICH WE HOPE WILL ENHANCE THEIR
ABILITY TO TAKE THE SCIENTIST
PROJECTS AND APPROACH PROGRAMS
MORE CREATIVELY AS WELL AS
FOLLOW NEW RESEARCH DIRECTIONS
AND REDUCE THE TIME SPENT BY
RESEARCHERS WRITING AND
REVIEWING GRANT APPLICATIONS
ALLOWING THEM TO SPEND MORE TIME
CONDUCTING RESEARCH AND DEVOTE
MORE TIME AND ENERGY TO
MENTORING TRAINEES.
THERE ARE NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES
FROM THE PREVIOUS FOA EXCEPT FOR
2 THINGS.
ONE IS THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY
GOING TO GO FROM 1 RECEIPT DATA
A YEAR, TO 2 RECEIPT DATES A
YEAR, THIS IS DUE TO THE REALLY
WONDERFUL POPULARITY OF THE THIS
PROGRAM.
WE RECEIVED MANY, MANY
APPLICATIONS EACH YEAR OVER THE
PAST, REALLY SINCE THE INCEPTION
OF THE PROGRAM AND THEREFORE TO
ALLEVIATE BURDEN ON THE CENTER
FOR SCIENTIFIC REVIEW AND ALSO
SPREAD OUT THE WORK FOR OUR
STAFF AND OUR GRANTS MANAGEMENT
STAFF GOING TO 2 RECEIPT DATES
FOR YEAR WOULD BE HELPFUL AND I
THINK ALSO FOR THE COMMUNITY
HAVING 2 OPTIONS OF DATES TO
APPLY WILL BE A GOOD THING.
WE ALSO PLAN TO ENHANCE--TO ADD
AS WE HAVE DONE TO THE
ESTABLISHED INVESTIGATOR, MIRA,
A PLAN FOR ENHANCING DIVERSE
PERSPECTIVES WHICH WILL BE
REQUIRED ATTACHMENT TO THE
APPLICATION, IT ASKS ABOUT HOW
THE APPLICATIONSLICANT WILL BE
INCORPORATING ANY ELEMENTS OF
DIVERSITY, IT COULD BE DIVERSITY
IN THE RESEARCH PROGRAM, IT
COULD BE DIVERSITY OF THE
INVESTIGATOR'S, TRAINEES OR THE
INSTITUTIONS OR THE REGIONS, OR
THE QUESTIONS, BUT HOW THEY'LL
BE INCORPORATING DIVERSE
PERSPECTIVES INTO THE PROGRAM,
THIS WILL BE REVIEWED AND SCORED
AND TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION
MAKING THE FUNDING DECISIONS.
AND I THINK I DESCRIBED THAL TO
COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY, IT WAS
SOMETHING THAT WAS DWEFFED BY
THE BRAIN INITIATIVE AND THEY'RE
USING IT IN THEIR FOAs AND
WE'RE PUTTING IT INTO ALL OF OUR
RESEARCH AND RESOURCE FOAs.
ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MIRA
THE?
AX LEXIS?
>> YEAH, I JUST WANT TO BRING
THE JUNIOR FACULTY PERSPECTIVE,
SO I'M A YOUNG INVESTIGATOR IN
MIRA AND I'M VERY, VERY GRATEFUL
BUT WE KIND OF STARTED TALKING
AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE 51%
EFFORT IN COMBINATION WITH THE
MODULAR BUDGET IS ACTUALLY
PRETTY CONSTRAINING ESPECIALLY
FOR THOSE OF US DOING MORE
BIOLOGICALLY ORIENTED RESEARCH
THAT INHERENTLY COSTS A LOT MORE
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO YOU KNOW
FULLY FUND OUR STUDENTS WHEREAS
MY CHEMISTRY COLLEAGUES, IT
ACTUALLY WORKS GREAT FOR THEM.
THERE'S A CULTURE OF THEIR
STUDENTS TA EVERY ONCE IN A
WHILE AND THEIR RESEARCH IS A
LITTLE BIT CHEAPER BUT I TALKED
WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST
STARTED AND THEY'RE THINKING
ABOUT GOING THE RO-1 ROUTE
BECAUSE YEAH, THE 51% EFFORT
COMBINED WITH THE MODULAR
BUDGET, IT'S NOT REALLY FEASIBLE
FOR THEM TO FUND HALF THEIR LAB
WITH ONLY $250,000 A YEAR.
SO I'M WONDER FIGURE YOU THOUGHT
ABOUT CHANGING EITHER 1 OF
THOSE?
>> SO THANKS FOR THE COMMENTS
THOSE ARE CERTAINLY USEFUL TO
HEAR.
ONE THING I WOULD JUST SAY AND
SUGGEST MAYBE TAKE BACK TO YOUR
COLLEAGUES THAT YOU ARE TALKING
TO IS THAT HISTORICALLY AND THIS
IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST MOVING
FORWARD, VERY, VERY FEW ALMOST
VANISHINGLY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF
EARLY INVESTIGATOR HAVE GOTTEN A
SECOND NIGMS RO-1 DURING THEIR
FIRST 5 YEARS SO IF THE PLAN IS
THEY ARE GOING TO GO THE RO-1
GROUP WITH THE HELP OF GETTING A
SECOND 1, I WOULD SAY THE
STATISTICS ARE STRONGLY NOT IN
FAVOR OF THAT BEING A REALISTIC
PLAN.
THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS
THAT ESI MIRA AWARDS ARE ABOUT
$40,000 IN DIRECT COSTS BIGGER
THAN NIGMS RO-1s FOR ESIs SO
THEY'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE
MONEY THAN THEY WILL IF THEY
APPLY TO NIGMS AS AN RO-1
INVESTIGATOR.
SO I WOULD JUST ARGUE THAT THEY
ARE MUCH BETTER OFF DESPITE THE
CONSTRAINTS IN THE MIRA PROGRAM
AND YOU WEREN'T HERE BUT LAST
ROUND WE RENEWED THE DATA ON
RENEWALS AND THE RENEWAL RATES
ARE MUCH HIGHER HEAR MIRAs SO
FAR THAN RO-1S SO YOU'RE ALSO
MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A
STABLE FUNDING STREAM MOVING
FORWARD.
SO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT IT
WOULD BE, YOU KNOW DESIRABLE FOR
MANY PEOPLE TO HAVE MORE MONEY
BUT--
>> THE OPTION OF THE 51% EFFORT
BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO AT LIKE
REALLY HIGH STRESS LEVELS TO GET
THESE OTHER LIKE YOUNG
INVESTIGATOR GRANTS BUT AND THEN
THEY KIND OF ALL BUILD UP, YOU
KNOW IF WE DON'T GO TRY TO GET
SOME OF THESE DPLAMMOR GRANTS
THEN OUR DEPARTMENT IS KIND OF
LIKE, OH, WELL THEY DON'T HAVE
ANY SPECIAL AWARDS.
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
>> I JUST PUT MY TWO-CENTS IN.
>> NO, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND
AND YOUR POINTS ARE VERY WELL
TAKEN.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF FRUSTRATIONS
WITH THOSE GLAMOUR AWARDS THAT
YOU MENTIONED.
IT'S JUST THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS
TO ME THE SAME PEOPLE GET ALL OF
THEM SO, YEAH, SEEMS TO BE AN
EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT WAY TO USE
THEM.
IF THEY LIMITED THEM THAT HAVE
YOU 1 AND YOU HAVE 1, THEY COULD
IN THE SYSTEM FUND A LOT MORE
EARLY STAGE INVESTIGATORS BUT
INSTEAD THEY SEEM TO GIVE 3 OR 4
OF THEM TO THE SAME PERSON AND
WE DO SEE THEM COMING THROUGH
OUR COUNCIL AS YOU KNOW THIS
PERSON'S UP FOR AN ESI MIRA BUT
ALREADY HAS 3 OF THE PRESTIGIOUS
5 YEAR FELLOWSHIP AWARDS FROM
THESE ORGANIZATIONS.
SO, COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING, WE APPRECIATE THE
INPUT AND WE WILL SEE IF THERE'S
SOME WAY WE CAN, YOU KNOW DO
MORE.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD JUST URGE YOU
TO BRING THE DATA BACK TO YOUR
COLLEAGUES THAT THEY REALLY ARE
ALMOST CERTAINLY GOING TO DO
BETTER IN THE MIRA PROGRAM THAN
APPLYING FOR RO-1s.
>> SURE, KNOWING WHAT I KNOW
NOW, WOULD STILL GO THE SAME
ROUTE, I LOVE MY MIRA,
APPRECIATIVE HUNDRED PERCENT.
>> APPRECIATE THE INPUT.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
OKAY, WE WILL TAKE ALEXIS'
COMMENTS IN CONSIDERATION,
ERICA?
>> WE MOVE THAT WE MOVE THIS
FOA, ANYONE OPPOSED?
THE CONCEPT IS,A PROVED.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE ACCORD
NATION CENTER FOR THE MODELS FOR
INFECTIOUS DISEASE AGENT STUDY
OR MIDAS PROGRAM, THE MIRROR MIS
SERVES AS A RESEARCH PRODUCTS
FROM THE MIDAS INVESTIGATOR
NETWORK SO THESE ARE RESEARCHERS
FUNDED BY NIGMS BUT ALSO FUNDED
BY MANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS BOTH
IN THE U.S. AND ABROAD WHO STUDY
MODELING OF INFECT YOWZ DISEASE
SPREAD WHICH OBVIOUSLY GIVEN
RECENT AND CURRENT EVENTS IS AN
AREA OF PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT
RESEARCH.
THE CENTER SERVES AS THE PRIMARY
REPOSITORY FOR DATA SETS, MODELS
AND SOFTWARE, MAINTAINS,
PROMOTES AND MAXIMIZES UIT AND
USE OF SHARED RESOURCES, IT
DEVELOPS COLLABORATIVE
ACTIVITIES AND EDUCATIONAL
OPPORTUNITIES TO ENHANCE THE
UTILITY OF THE RESOURCES AND IT
IMPROVING TRAINING EXPERIENCES
FOR MIDAS NETWORK MEMBERS AND
THEIR GRADUATE STUDENTS AND POST
DOCTORAL RESEARCHERS.
THE CENTER REALLY PROVIDED A
PIVOTAL SORT OF NEXUS FOR
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RESEARCH ON
INFECTIOUS DISEASE MODELING,
MANY IMPORTANT THINGS ARE GOOD
LUCK DONE BY MEMBERS OF NETWORK
AND COORDINATION WITH THE
NETWORK, THEY HAD A LOT OF
DIFFERENT ONLINE WEBINARS THEY
HOSTED THAT WERE HEAVILY
ATTENDED AND THE MEMBERS OF THE
NETWORK THROUGH MULTIPLE FOLDS
DURING THE COURSE OF THE
PANDEMIC.
SO I THINK THIS MODEL REALLY
SHOWED ITS IMPORTANCE AND
EFFICACY WHEN IT WAS STRESS
TESTED BY THE PANDEMIC.
>> WE DON'T PROPOSE ANY
SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES FROM THE
PREVIOUS FOA AND BBCB IS THE
DIVISION OF MANAGING THE MIDAS
PROGRAM.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ABOUT
MIDAS?
OKAY, ERICA?
>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS AN F OA.
OPPOSED?
MOTION IS APPROVED.
>> AWESOME.
NEXT SLIDE ISSUES PLEASE AND THE
LAST I WANT TO ACTUALLY DO A
CONCEPT CLEARANCE WHICH IS ON
BEHALF OF NIH AS A WHOLE BUT WE
WILL CLEAR IT THROUGH NIGMS
COUNCIL FOR REASONS YOU WILL SEE
IN A MINUTE AND THIS IS THE
REISSUANCE OF THE NIH RESEARCH
EVALUATION AND COMMERCIALIZATION
HUB OR REACH AWARDS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THE REACH AWARDS PURPOSE IS TO
FACILITATE AND HELP PRODUCTS
THAT IMPROVE PATIENT CARE AND
PUBLIC HEALTH, THEY PROVIDE
INSTITUTIONS WITH FUNDS TO
CREATE ACADEMIC ENTREPRENEUR SLP
HUBS THAT WILL PROVIDE
INNOVATORS WITH BOTH INITIAL
INVESTMENT AND RESOURCES TO
SUPPORT PROOF OF CONCEPT WORK
AND MENTORSHIP IN PRODUCT
DEVELOPMENT AND
COMMERCIALIZATION.
FUNDED HUBS ARE INTENDED TO WORK
WITH THE CONSORTIUM AND IN FACT
THEY WORK WITH OUR IDEA
TECHNOLOGY TRANSPERHUBS TO
PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR
IDENTIFYING THE MOST PROMISING
TECHNOLOGIES, FUNDING PRODUCT
DEFINITION STUDIES, ACCESS TO
EXPERTISE IN AREAS REQUIRED FOR
EARLY STAGE TECHNOLOGY
DEVELOPMENT AND SKILLS
DEVELOPMENT AND HANDS ON
EXPERIENCE IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION OF
THE REACH PROGRAM STARTED WITH
STTR LEGISLATION AND SMALL
BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION, SBIR,
STTR POLICY DIRECTIVES WHICH
AUTHORIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OF
WHAT ARE CALLED PHASE 0, PROOF
OF CONCEPT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS
TO SUPPORT SBIR AND STTR
PROGRAMS AND THEY'RE FUNDED WITH
UP TO $5 MILLION A YEAR IN NIH
STTR FUNDS.
THE FUNDS ARE COLLECTED FROM ALL
OF THE NIH INSTITUTES AND
CENTERS FROM THEIR STTR PROGRAMS
TO SUPPORT THE REACH PROGRAM,
THE HUBS ARE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT
INNOVATIONS ACROSS THE ENTIRE
NIH MISSION SPACE BECAUSE
THEY'RE NIH WIDE PROGRAM AND THE
IDEA NOW IS TO MOVE THIS PROGRAM
WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY BEING
MANAGED BY NATIONAL HEART LUNG
AND BLOOD INSTITUTE TO NIGMS,
WHERE WE WOULD PROVIDE THE
GRANTS MANAGEMENT SUPPORT AND
SCIENTIFIC OVERSIGHT OF THE
PROGRAM IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
SMALL BUSINESS EDUCATION AND
ENTREPRENEURIAL DEVELOPMENT OR
SEED OFFICE WHICH IS IN THE
OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL RESEARCH
AND THE OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR
AT NIH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THE REISSUE AND MAINTAIN
LEGISLATIVELY MANDATED STRUCTURE
OF THE PROGRAM BUT THERE ARE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PROPOSED
BASED ON THE PROGRAM EVALUATION
INPUT FROM FEDERAL STAFF BOTH
THE NIH AND SMALL BUSINESS
ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS
CONGRESSIONAL FEEDBACK.
SO THE FIRST IS, THE PROGRAM
WILL INCREASE ITS FOCUS ON
DIVERSITY, DIVERSITY BOTH IN
TERMS OF REGIONS, INSTITUTIONS
AND POPULATIONS WITH A STRONGER
FOCUS ON INCLUSION OF
UNDERREPRESENTED INNOVATORS AND
GEOGRAPHICAL REGIONS THAT ARE
NOT EFTHIMIOS AREICALLY WELL REP
RESENTED IN BIOMEDICAL
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT.
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, A
STRONGER FOCUS ON MENTORING AND
TRAINING OF JUNIOR INNOVATORS,
INCREASE IMPACT OF THE HUBS BY
ENCOURAGING THEM TO SUPPORT
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND
TRAINING FOR INNOVATORS WITHIN
THEIR REGIONS WHO ARE NOT
AFFILIATED WITH THE AWARD,
AWARDED INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE
PARTICIPATING DIRECTLY IN THE
REACH PROGRAM AND FINALLY
ENCOURAGE PROPOSALS THAT ADDRESS
UNMET MEDICAL NEEDS WITHIN NIH,
THE SMALL BUSINESS RESEARCH AND
DEVELOPMENT PORTFOLIO.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE
REACH HUB CONCEPT CLEARANCE.
I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE
RATIONAL FOR MOVING IT TO NIGMS
FOR MANAGEMENT IS THAT THE FOCUS
WILL BE SHIFTING TO ARE MORE ON
TRAINING, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
AND DIVERSITY WHICH ARE WELL
WITHIN OUR WHEEL HOUSE.
NICOLE.
>> GREAT PROGRAM, I JUST HAD A
QUESTION AND MAYBE YOU ANSWERED
IT BUT WHERE THE SORT OF
PREVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF
FOCUS CLINICAL SORT OF BEING
ABLE TO TRANSLATE INTO CLINIC
AND MY UNDERSTAND SUGGEST THAT
ISN'T REALLY PART OF NIGMS'S
WHEEL HOUSE AS CLINICAL TRIALS.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST COMMENT ON
HOW THE INTERFACING REACH
INVESTIGATORS TO MOVING INTO
CLINICAL TRIALS COULD BE
APPROACHED?
>> YEAH, SO AGAIN, THIS IS A
TRANSNIH PROGRAM AND WE WOULD
TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT,
IN SEED OFFICE IN THE OFFICE OF
THE DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW IN MANY
WAYS FRONT AND CENTER, SO MANY
ISSUES LIKE CLINICAL TRIALS,
WITHIN COMMERCIAL ENTITIES, ET
CETERA, THEY WOULD HELP MANAGE
AND OTHER INSTITUTES AND CENTERS
THAT PARTICIPATE WOULD ALSO BE
INVOLVED IN THOSE THINGS.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S AN
OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THE FOCUS
BEYOND, YOU KNOW JUST WHAT'S
IMMEDIATELY CLINICALLY RELEVANT
TO OTHER AREAS SUCH AS, YOU KNOW
WHAT'S RELEVANT FOR ADVANCING
BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH ITSELF
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPMENT FOR
EXAMPLE.
AND OF COURSE GIVEN, YOU KNOW
THE IDEA PROGRAM FOR EXAMPLE, IN
OUR HEAVY INVESTMENT STAKE IN
THAT, I THINK IT MAKES US WELL
POISED TO TRY TO HELP LEVERAGE
THE REACH PROGRAM TO INCREASE
THE BIOTECHNOLOGY AND
ENTREPRENEURSHIP IN REGIONS THAT
HISTORICALLY VBT HAD MUCH IN
THAT SPACE.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
ALL RIGHT ERICA?
>> I MOVE THIS CONCEPT FOR
FURTHER DEVELOPMENT VIA F, ONA?
ANY OPPOSED?
APPROVED THANK YOU.
>> TERRIFIC WE WILL TAKE THAT
AND HOPEFULLY GET THE PROGRAM
OFF THE GROUND IN THE NEXT YEAR.
ALL RIGHT, SO I THINK AT THIS
POINT WE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK,
SO LET'S TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK
AND COME BACK AT 11:22 IF YOU
COULD AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUE
WITH CONCEPT CLEARANCES FOR NEW
PROGRAMS.
SO IF EVERYONE COULD COME BACK
AT 11:22, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
>> WE NEED TO GET STARTED
AGAIN, BEFORE WE DO I WANT TO
ASK SUSAN SMITH IF SHE WILL
INTRODUCE HERSELF SINCE WE
MISSED HADDMISSED HER IN THE FI.
ARE YOU BACK SUSAN.
>> SHE IS IN THE MEETING BUT NOT
ACTIVATED HER CAMERA, SO WE WILL
GO TO MING WHO WILL INTRODUCE 4
CONCEPT CLE CLEARANCES, SO HOLDR
BREATH.
>> YES, WELCOME BACK FOR MORE
CONCEPTS, I HAVE 4 OF THEM
COVERING 2 SEPARATE TOPICS SO I
WILL PRESENT THEM IN 2 SETS EACH
FOLLOWED BY A DISCUSSION.
THE FIRST SET INCLUDES 2
CONCEPTS TO SUPPORT CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH AND IDEA
STATEMENTS.
NEXT SLIDE.
ONE IS TO RENEW THE IDEA
CLINICAL AND TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH THAT WILL EXPEER INDEED
MONTH.
THE IDEA CTR PROGRAM FUNDS
STATEWIDE OR REGIONAL NETWORK OF
ACADEMIC HEALTH SCIENCE CENTERS
AFFILIATED HOSPITALS AND
COMMUNITY CLINICS THAT BRING
STRONG PATIENT REACH LEVERAGE,
RESOURCES AND GENERATE RESEARCH
SYNERGY.
THEIR 12 ACTIVE AWARDS IN
LOCATIONS SHOWN ON THIS MAP.
THEY EACH SUPPORT MULTIPLE
PARTNER INSTITUTIONS, WE SEEING
1 OR 2 STATES, WITH THE
EXCEPTION OF THE MOUNTAIN WEST
CTR WHICH IS LED BY UNLV BUT
SUPPORTS INSTITUTIONS IN NEVADA,
IDAHO, WYOMING, MONTANA AND
ALASKA.
THOSE NETWORKS DEVELOP CLINICAL
AND TRANSLATIONAL INVESTIGATORS
THROUGH SUPPORTING RESEARCH,
MENTORING AND TRAINING.
LEAD RESEARCH AND ADDRESS HEALTH
CONCERNS OF THEIR STATE AND THE
EVENTS HEALTH SCIENCE, THE
LATTER POINT IS HIGHLIGHTED BY
THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO SEVERAL
NATIONAL STUDIES IN RESPONSE TO
THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC INCLUDING
RAD X UP WHICH IS A LARGE SCALE
TESTING AND VACCINATION
INTERVENTION STUDY FOR UNDER
SERVED POPULATIONS.
THE NATIONAL COVID-19 COHORT,
COLLABORATIVE ALSO KNOWN AS
[INDISCERNIBLE] EHR STUDIES THE
RECOVERY INITIATIVE FOR LONG
COVID STUDIES AND THE
THERAPEUTIC VACCINE TRIALS KNOWN
AS ACTIV.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
IN LIEU OF THE SUCCESS, WE
PROPOSE TO REISSUE THE FOA WITH
FOE CHANGE TO THE PROGRAM GOALS
THE RENEWED PROGRAM WILL
CONTINUE TO SUPPORTING NETWORKS
THAT DEVELOP INFRANCIS COLLINS
STRUINFRASTRUCTURE AN
HUMAN RESOURCE FOR CLINICAL
ELECTRONICSALATIONAL RESEARCH
AND RESEARCH AND LEAD
COLLABORATIONS IN IDEA STATES.
LIKE THAT IN THE CURRENT FOA THE
NETWORKS ARE EXPECTED TO ENGAGE
PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIANS,
COMMUNITY CLINICS THROUGH THE
PRACTICE BASED RESEARCH NETWORK
KNOWN AS PBRN.
AND TO ADDRESS THE BROAD
SPECTRUM OF HEALTH CHALLENGES OF
THE STATE OR REGIONS
POPULATIONS.
WE DO PROPOSE TO CHANGE THE
TITLE OF THE PROGRAM FOR NETWORK
FOR CLINICAL AND TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH TO IDEA CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH NETWORK
OR CTRN, AWARDS.
THE MAIN REASON FOR THIS CHANGE
IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD A
NEW PROGRAM IN THIS SPACE WHICH
WILL BE DISCUSSED NEXT.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WHILE THE CTR NETWORKS ARE
VERY SUCCESSFUL, THERE ARE UNMET
NEEDS IN IDEA STATES.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE 5
WESTERN IDEA STATES ARE
CURRENTLY SUPPORTED BY A SINGLE
CTR THAT IS A MOUNTAIN WEST CTR
AND MOST INSTITUTIONS IN IN VERY
LARGE AND STATES HAVE LIMIT TD
CLINICAL RESEARCH INFRASTRUCTURE
AND WORKFORCE.
THEY HAVE STRONG NEEDS TO BUILD
FROM THE GROUND UP.
THERE ARE ALSO 6 IDEA STATES
THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY CTRs
CURRENTLY.
BUT EACH HAS A CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL SCIENCE AWARD
KNOWN AS THE CTSA SHOWN BY THE
YELLOW TRIANGLES BY THE YELLOW
TRIANGLES ON THE SLIDE, THEY ARE
BELLING RESEARCH CAPACITY LIKE
THE CCTRC AND THEY'RE NOT
STRUCTURED STATEWIDE NETWORKS
WHICH LEAVES SOME INSTITUTIONS
IN THIS STAGE NOT BEING
SUPPORTED AND THIS INSTITUTIONS
ALSO HAVE THE NEED TO DEVELOP
GREATER CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH CAPACITY.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE TO ADDRESS
THIS NEED WE PROPOSE A NEW
MECHANISM IDEAL CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH
DEVELOPMENTMENT AWARDS SHORT FOR
CTRD TO SUPPORT CLINICAL
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH
INFRASTRUCTURE AND WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT THIS AWARD AS
MENTIONED EARLIER WILL BE FOR
IDEA INSTITUTIONS DESCRIBED JUST
ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, INCLUDING
THOSE IN STATES THAT DON'T LEAD
A CTRN AWARD AND THOSE IN STATE
THAT HAVE CTSAs BUT NOT BEING
SUPPORTED BY THE CTSAs.
SO THIS AWARD WILL SUPPORT
INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR
EXAMPLE, PROVIDE SERVICES,
SUPPORT RESEARCH CORES THAT
PROVIDE SERVICES OF
BIOSTATISTICS EPIDEMIOLOGY,
RESEARCH DESIGN, DATA SCIENCE
FOR EHR BASED STUDIES AND
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND
OUTREACH.
OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT WORKFORCE
DEVELOPMENT INCLUDING
RECRUITMENT AND TRAINING OF KEY
PERSONNELS AS WELL AS THROUGH
PILOT RESEARCH PROGRAM TO
SUPPORT A RESEARCH ACTIVITIES.
THE NETWORK, THOSE AWARDS ALSO
ENCOURAGE TO ENGAGE PBRN.
SO COMPARED TO THE CTRNs, THE
CTRD HAVE MORE OF A FOCUS ON
DEVELOPMENT.
THEY ALSO DON'T NEED TO CARRY A
STATEWIDE NETWORK AS A CTRNs
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
SO WITH THE CTRD AND CTRN IN
PLACE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO
SUPPORT CLINICAL TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH IN ALL IDEA STATES.
NEXT, PLEASE.
WE'RE ALSO PREPARED TO FUND IDEA
CLINICAL RESEARCH RESOURCE
CENTER, OR UPON IKR, TO PROVIDE
CLINICAL SURVEY TRIALS IN THE
NEAR FUTURE.
WITH THE 3 PROGRAMS TOGETHER WE
WILL BE IN AN EVEN STRONGER
POSITION TO SUPPORT CLINICAL AND
TRANSLATIONAL RESEARCH IN IDEA
STATES.
SO, WITH THAT WE ARE HOPE FOR
DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.
>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR
MING?
>> TERRY.
>> JUST A QUESTION, THERE ARE
STATES WHERE THERE'S A CTSA BUT
INSTITUTIONS THAT DON'T
PARTICIPATE SO I GUESS THE
QUESTION IS WILL THAT--HAVE WE
LOST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A
PARTNERSHIP WHERE THE MORE
MATURE CTSA CAN HELP THESE NEWER
NETWORKS EVOLVE?
MAYBE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND
SOMETHING EXACTLY BUT IT DOES
SEEM LIKE 1 ROLE OF AN
ESTABLISHED CTSA SHOULD BE TO
HELP US CREATE THIS
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTRY
FOR CLINICAL AND TRANSLATIONAL
RESEARCH?
>> GREAT QUESTION.
SO FROM A SCIENTIFIC
COLLABORATION STANDPOINT, THEY
ARE STILL ENKOIRAGED TO DO THAT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE
VERY ROBUST COLLABORATION RIGHT
NOW ON THE GROUND.
THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED IS
THAT ENABL IN APRIL WE PROVIDE G
THORS THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND GET
FUNDING FROM THE CTSA AWARDS SO
I HOPE THIS ANSWERED YOUR
QUESTIONS.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
>> OKAY, ERICA?
>> OKAY, I MIGHT HAVE THAT WE
APPROVE THIS CONCEPT FOR FURTHER
DEVELOPMENT AS FOAs OR ANY
OPPOSED?
>> MOTION IS APPROVED.
THANK YOU.
>> MING, CARRY ON.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> SO NOW I WILL MOVE TO THE
SECOND SET THAT IS TO SUPPORT
THE TRIBAL INSTITUTIONAL REVIEW
BOARDS OR IRBs.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO, NIGMS HAS BEEN SUPPORTING
AMERICA, INDIA AND ALASKA NATIVE
HEALTH RESEARCH THROUGH THE
NATIVE AMERICAN RESEARCH CENTERS
FOR HEALTH OR NARCH FOR A LONG
TIME.
LAST YEAR WE COMPLETED A
COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION OF THE
PROGRAM WHICH LED TO A 6-POINT
PLAN TO EXPAND NIEXPH GM'S
SUPPORT FOR AI/AN RESEARCH.
THE PLAN WAS OUTLINED BY JOHN
LAST SEPTEMBER.
AT THE MAY COUNCIL MEETING
EARLIER THIS YEAR, I PRESENT TD
AND YOU APPROVED A REVAMPED
LARGE CONCEPT THAT WAS
SIGNIFICANTLY STRENGTHEN THE
PROGRAM AND THE NEW CONCEPT TO
FUND PAYING GRANT FOR TRIBES
THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE BUT
INTEND TO APPLY FOR AWARDS.
THE PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR NEW
MECHANISMS TO ENHANCE RESEARCH
STRUCTURE INCLUDING IRBs AND
TRAINING AT AI/AN TRIBES M TRIB.
I WILL PRESENT THE CONCEPT ON
IRBEXPZ MY COLLEAGUE WILL
PRESENT ON TRAINING AFTER THAT.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO WHY TRIBAL IRBs NEED TO BE
SUPPORTED.
DURING THE MARCH PROGRAM
EVALUATION, TRIBAL LEADERS
CONVEYED THEIR STRONG REQUEST TO
HAVE NIH SUPPORTED AI/AN HEALTH
RESEARCH BE CONDUCTED BY TRIBAL
NATION AND COMMUNITIES.
TO GO FORWARD IN THIS DIRECTION,
TRIBAL NATIONS PARENTED THE NEED
TO HAVE THEIR OWN IRBs TO GET
STARTED AND TO INSURE NATIVE
CULTURE AND PERSPECTIVES,
RESPECTED IN THE RESEARCH.
HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT, MOST
TRIBAL NATIONS DON'T HAVE THEIR
OWN IRBs AND MANY OF THEM
ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE
PERSONNEL TO START ON IRB.
SO THERE IS A PRESCRIBING
PRESSING NEED TO STRENGTHEN NIH
SUPPORT IN THIS AREA.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WE PROPOSE TO START AN IRB
TRAINING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM TO
SUPPORT KEY PERSONNEL WHO WILL
LEAD AND SERVE ON THE TRIBAL
IRBs.
PARTICIPANTS OF THIS TRAINING
PROGRAMS WILL BE TRIBAL IRB
COORDINATORS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO
WILL SERVE ON IRB AS MEMBERS.
THE PROGRAM WILL OFFER BY THAT
TRAINING THAT COVERS THE
SCIENTIFIC REGULATORY AND
OPERATIONAL KNOWLEDGE TO
ESTABLISH AND SUSTAINING IRBs
AND EMERCKIVE EXPERIENCE THAT
ALLOW PARTICIPANT TO OBSERVE
PROCEEDINGS OF IRB MEETINGS NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO, TO MEET THE DIFFERENT NEEDS
OF THE TRIBAL IRB COORDINATORS
AND THE IRB MEMBERS, WE ENVISION
THAT THE PROGRAM, THE TRAINING
PROGRAM CAN BE STRUCTURED AS
MULTIPLE MODULES, SO DIFFERENT
PEOPLE CAN TAKE DIFFERENT AMOUNT
OF TRAINING.
THE GRANT WILL PAY FOR
OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THE PROGRAM
AS WELL AS PARTICIPANT SALARY AS
WELL AS TIME TO THE TRAINING.
THE PARTICIPANTS ARE EXPECTED TO
GRADUATE WITH CERTIFICATE AND
MORE IMPORTANTLY THE KNOWLEDGE
TO LEAD, OR SERVE ON TRIBAL
IRBs.
AFTER THAT I WE WOULD LIKE TO
START A TRIBAL IRB GRANT PROGRAM
THAT WOULD SUPPORT TRIBAL
NATIONS TO STAND UP IRBs OR TO
OPERATE IRBs THAT CAN PROVIDE
SERVICE TO A BROAD USE OF
SURVEYS.
THE GRANT OR COVER COST FOR
TRAINED PERSONNEL AND OPERATING
FUNCTIONAL IRBs HERE ON THE
SLIDE ARE EXAMPLES OF ACTIVITIES
THAT GRANTS HAVE PAID.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
TO SUMMARIZE GM'S LARGE PLAN,
THE LARGE GRANT WILL INCLUDE
COMPONENTS THAT SUPPORT GRANTEES
EFFORT TO ASSESS THE NEED FOR
IRBs AND IS THAT FEW IRBs OR
STRENGTHEN EXISTING IRBs.
WITH THE IRB DEVELOPMENT GRANT
THAT TRAINED KEY PERSONNELS FOR
IRBTHOSE PERSONNELS TO TRAIN THE
PERSONNELS, MAY HELP THE EFFORT
OF THIS GRANTEE INSTITUTIONS
CONSIDER AWARDS.
NEXT, PLEASE.
WHEN THE TRIBAL IRB GRANT
PROGRAM IS LAUNCHED LATER,
IRBs SUPPORTED BY THIS GRANT
WILL PROVIDE DIRECT HEALTH TO
TRIBAL NATIONS IN COMPETING FOR
LARGE PLANNING GRANT AND
CONDUCTING HEALTH RESEARCH.
WITH THAT, IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS
OR COMMENTS?
>> QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR
MING?
OKAY, I'M NOT SEEING
ANY--APOPTOTIC, PAM?
>> THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE
PRESENTATION MING, 1 OF THE
THINGS THAT WAS REALLY--THIS
REALLY IS A GREAT WAY TO ADDRESS
1 OF THE ASPECTS THAT PEOPLE HAD
TALKED ABOUT THE CHALLENGES OF
DOING THE RESEARCH WAS DELAYS IN
IRB APPROVAL AND SO TO BUILD
BOTH THE CAPACITY AND THEN THE
ONGOING STRENGTHENING, I THINK
IS REALLY GOING TO HAVE VERY
STRONG REPERCUSSIONS FOR THOSE
INVOLVED IN NEEZ IMPORTANT
PROGRAMS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REALLY
CLEAR PRESENTATION.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
TO SORT OF ECHOING THE
CHALLENGES YOU HIGHLIGHTED,
THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND OUR
APPROACH OF TAKING MULTIPLE
MECHANISM, MULTIPLE APPROACHES
TO HELP IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS.
>> ALL RIGHT, ERICA?
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE IN CONCEPT
FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AS
FOASHS,--FOAs, ANYONE OPPOSED?
MOTION IS APPROVED.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU MING, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO ALLYSON WHO
WILL TELL US ABOUT THE TRIBAL
T32 AND T32 CONCEPT.
>> THANKS, JOHN.
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.
SO AS JOHN MENTIONED, I WILL
DISCUSS THE CONCEPT THAT'S
DIVERSITY ENHANCING NATIONAL
RESEARCH SERVICE AWARD
INSTITUTIONAL TRAINING PROGRAM
FOR TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO FIRST I WANT TO START, I'M
SURE MANY OF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND
THE NEED FOR THE PROGRAM BUT
JUST TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A
LITTLE DATA.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
THIS IS DATA FROM THE NATIONAL
CENTER FOR SCIENCE AND
ENGINEERING STATISTICS AND WHAT
YOU CAN SEE IS THE RACIAL ETHNIC
DEMOGRAPHICS ACROSS DIFFERENT
POPULATIONS STARTING AT THE TOP
WITH THE U.S. POPULATION OF
20-34 YEAR-OLDS, THEN ASSOCIATE
DEGREE RECIPIENTS, BATCHER'S ALL
THE WAY UP TO DOCTORAL DEGREE
RECIPIENTS.
AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE THE KEY
FOR THE DIFFERENT RACIAL ETHNIC
GROUPS AND IN PARTICULAR I WOULD
LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO
THE AMERICAN INDIAN, ALASKA
NATIVE GROUP SHOWN IN ORANGE AND
I PUT A LITTLE ARROW JUST TO
POINT OUT THIS THIN SLIVER THAT
IS SHOWN ON THE VARIOUS GRAPHS
AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THAT THE
AMERICAN INDIAN ALASKA NATIVE
STUDENTS COMPRISE ABOUT 8% OF
THE POPULATION OF THE 20-34
YEAR-OLDS BUT YOU CAN SEE AS YOU
PROGRESS THROUGH THE EDUCATIONAL
PATHWAY YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT
UNDERREPRESENTATION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
FURTHER DATA FROM THE POST
SECONDARY NATIONAL POLICY
INSTITUTE HAS ALSO SOME
REVEALING DATA IN THAT 17% OF
NATIVE AMERICAN STUDENTS
CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION AFTER
HIGH SCHOOL AND THIS IS COMPARED
TO 60% OF THE U.S. POPULATION IN
GENERAL.
FORTY-ONE% OF NATIVE AMERICAN
BACHELOR'S DEGREE-SEEKING
STUDENTS GRADUATED WITHIN 6
YEARS AND THIS IS IN COMPARISON
TO 63% OF WHITE STUDENTS.
FINALLY, 8.7% OF ALL NATIVE
AMERICAN COLLEGE STUDENTS
ATTENDED A TRIBAL COLLEGE OR
UNIVERSITY ALSO KNOWN AS TCU, IN
THE FALL OF 2010 AND THAT ALSO
HIGHLIGHTS IS THAT OVER 90% OF
NATIVE AMERICAN COLLEGE STUDENTS
ARE ENROLLED IN INNS TUITIONS
THAT ARE NOT CONSIDERED TRIBAL
COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITIES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO YOU CAN SEE JUST THAT THERE'S
A REAL NEED TO REACH THIS
POPULATION OF STUDENTS AND JUST
TO HIGHLIGHT WHAT ARE WE DOING
AT THE MOMENT, THE NEXT SLIDE
WILL SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE--NEXT
SLIDE, PLEASE--THAT WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF PROGRAMS THAT SPAN THE
CAREER PATHWAY STARTING AT PREK
UP TO THE FACULTY LEVEL FOCUSING
AT DIFFERENT STAGES IN THE
CAREER PATHWAY AND YOU KNOW THAT
MANY OF THESE ARE DIVERSITY
ENHANCING PROGRAMS BUT IF YOU
ADVANCE TO THE NEXT BULLET
PLEASE, YOU WILL SEE THAT
CURRENTLY IN OUR TRAINING
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND
DIVERSITY PORTFOLIO WE DON'T
HAVE ANY TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS OR
TRIBAL COLLEGES IN UNIVERSITIES
WHERE THERE'S A PRIMARY GRANT
HOLDER ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE MANY
PARTNERSHIP PROGRAMS IN WHICH A
TRIBAL COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY IS
THE PARTNER INSTITUTION, WE
DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE ANY AWARDS
IN WHICH THEY'RE THE PRIMARY
GRANT HOLDER.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WHAT SHOULD WE BE DOING, IF
YOU ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE,
PLEASE.
GOING BACK TO WHAT MING
REFERENCED IN HIS PREVIOUS
PRESENTATION THAT RECENTLY THERE
WAS AN EVALUATION OF THE NATIVE
AMERICAN RESEARCH CENTERS FOR
HEALTH AND THERE WERE
RECOMMENDED FOLLOW UP ACTIONS IF
YOU WILL ADVANCE THE SLIDE,
PLEASE.
YEAH, YOU CAN JUST KEEP GOING
FOR A SECOND.
THERE WE GO, PERFECT.
SO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS
WHAT THIS CONCEPT IS ABOUT TO
PROVIDE TRAINING GRANTS FOR
TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS AND THIS IS
TO ROUGH ATOM VIED SUPPORT FOR
STUDENTS WHO ARE SELECTED BY
TRIBES OR TRIBAL ORGANIZATIONS
TO PAYING DEGREES IN
BIOMEDICALLY RELATED FIELDS.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE.
THIS WOULD INCLUDE UNDERGRADUATE
TRAINING, INCLUDING TUITION
REMISSION, STIPENDS OR STUDIES
TOWARD BACHELOR'S DEGREES.
THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE
BEGINNING AT THE 2 YEAR COLLEGE
LEVEL AS FOR ALL OUR TRAINING
PROGRAMS IT'S RESEARCH
EXPERIENCES AS WELL AS
MENTORING.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE.
AT TD GRADUATE LEVEL AS WELL,
WHICH AGAIN REMISSION AND
STIPENDS BUT THIS TIME TOWARDS
EARNING A Ph.D. DEGREE AND
ONCE AGAIN THERE ARE MENTOR
RESEARCH TRAINING EXPERIENCES.
NEXT BULLET PLEASE.
SO THE GOAL THAT WAS PUT FORWARD
IN THIS EVALUATION WOULD BE TO
DEVELOP A FUTURE AMERICAN INDIAN
ALASKA NATIVE RESEARCHERS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
OH, SORRY, 1 MORE.
AND 1 CAVEAT TO THIS IS THAT
EACH GRANT WOULD NEED TO SUPPORT
STUDENTS FROM MULTIPLE TRIBES.
SO IT WOULD BE A--BITS
ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD SERVE A
LARGE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT
STUDENTS FROM DIFFERENT TRIEPS.
NOW WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT
SLIDE.
AND IN ORDER TO JUST
CONCEPTUALIZE THAL WOULD BE
SOMETHING OF A DISTRIBUTED MODEL
FOR TRAINING DEVELOPMENT IN
WHICH YOU HAVE THE TRIBAL
ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE AS
RESEARCH HUBS OR RESEARCH
TRAINING HUBS, FIRST BULLET
PLEASE.
AND THEN THE HUBS WOULD RECRUIT
AND SUPPORT STUDENTS AT VARIOUS
INTUITIONS, NEXT BULLET PLEASE
AND YOU CAN KIND OF JUST ROLL
WITH ME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE
QUITE A FEW HERE, ALSO PROVIDING
RESEARCH SKILLS DEVELOPMENT
ACTIVITIES, EMPHASIZE CAREER
AWARENESS AND PREPAREDNESS,
PROMOTE CO HO COHORT BUILDING ST
OVERSIGHT, FACILITATE AND
FACILITATE ENGAGEMENT AND
UNDERSTANDING AND OFFER
MENTORING AND NETWORKING
OPPORTUNITYS, FINALLY AN
IMPORTANTLY PROVIDE INFORMATION
TO THE VARIOUS SITES WHERE THE
STUDENTS ARE TO INCREASE
CULTURAL AWARENESS AND HELP THEM
UNDERSTAND HOW TO BETTER ENGAGE
THE STUDENTS IN RESEARCH
ACTIVITIES.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE SO JUST TO
KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT THESE
POTENTIAL MODELS MIGHT LOOK
LIKE, NEXT, IF YOU COULD ADVANCE
THE SLIDE?
SO AT THE UNDERGRADUATE LEVEL,
WE ENVISION THAT THE
PARTNERSHIP, A PARTNERSHIP MODEL
MIGHT BE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY
THOSE RESEARCH ORIENTED STUDENTS
AND ALSO TO REINFORCE AN
INCLUSIVE RESEARCH TRAINING
ENVIRONMENT AT THE EDUCATION
SITE.
SO NEXT BULLET BUT THIS WOULD
LOOK LIKE IF YOU HAVE THE TRIBAL
HUB, AND THEY HAVE VARIOUS
PARTNER INSTITUTIONS WHERE THEY
CAN REALLY INSURE THAT THE
STUDENTS ARE GETTING AUTHENTIC
RESEARCH EXPERIENCES AND
RESEARCH TRAINING.
AT THE GRADUATE LEVEL TO,A LOW
FOR BROADER, ALLOW FOR BROADER
MORE DISTRIBUTED MODEL ACROSS A
RANGE OF INSTITUTIONS BECAUSE BY
DEFINITION MOST Ph.D. PROGRAMS
HAVE A RESEARCH TRAINING PROGRAM
IN PLACE IT CAN INVOLVE MORE
INSTITUTIONS SO NEXT BULLET WITH
THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WE HAVE
THE TRIBAL ORGANIZATION HUB AND
STUDENTS FROM VARIOUS
INSTITUTIONS TO KEEP TOGETHER BY
THE TRIBAL ORGANIZATION HUB.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO WHAT WE'RE ENVISIONING ARE 2
DIFFERENT TYPES OF AWARDS, 1
WOULD BE A PHASED PROGRAM WHERE
YOU COULD FIRST BUILD CAPACITY
SO THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A
STAND ALONE TRAINING PROGRAM FOR
SITES THAT ALREADY HAVE THIS
CAPACITY IN THAT WOULD BE A MORE
TRADITIONAL RESEARCH TRAINING
PROGRAM SO, WHICH WOULD ALLOW
SITES TO HIRE PERSONNEL, DEVELOP
PROGRAMMING AND ESTABLISH THOSE
IMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT
PARTNERSHIPS, FOR THE SECOND
FACE OF THE T+ AND THEN FOR THE
STAND ALONE TPROGRAM, THERE IS
THE TRAINING ELEMENT WHICH IS A
MORE TRADITIONAL AND THAT'S
WHERE THE SITES RECRUIT AND
APPOINT MECHANISMS AND SWITCH IN
REMISSION BUT THEY HAVE THIS
ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF ACTIVITY
WHICH WE ALREADY DESCRIBED
INCLUDING TRAINING MENTORING AND
WORKING ACTIVITIES AND ALSO THIS
IS A TIME TO STRENGTHEN ANY
PARTNERSHIPS.
SO,.
>> THANK YOUALISON, DO WE HAVE
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR
ALLYSON?
>> THIS ALL FEEDS OFF AS WAS
MENTIONED THE EVALUATION AND
TRIBAL CONSULTATION WE DISCUSSED
MULTIPLE TIMES WITH COUNCIL.
DID EMPLOY DARIN?
>> YEAH, I WANT TO SAY, I'M
THRILLED TO SEE THESE NEW
PROGRAMS WHICH IS WAWE WERE
HOPING WOULD HAPPEN AND WHAT WE
WERE ENVISIONING WHEN WE DID THE
NARCH REVIEW, ALL I CAN SAY IS
KUDOS AND THANKS TO YOU MING AND
ALLYSON.
IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THIS.
>> TERRY?
>> THANKS JOHN, I REMEMBER WHEN
WE HEARD THE RESULTS OF THE
EVALUATION THAT WAS DONE THAT
THERE FERS A REAL INTEREST IN
MORE COLLABORATION WITH TRIBAL
LEADERS SO IN WHAT WAYS CAN THEY
GIVE FEEDBACK ON THIS PROCESS TO
MAKE SURE IT WAS NEATING THE
NEEDS.
>> I CAN ADDRESS THAT, MAYBE, SO
AS PART OF THE NARCH EVALUATION
WE HAD A FORMAL PRESENTATION
WITH PRESCRIBAL LEADERS AND THIS
CONCEPT WAS MENTIONED AT THAT
CONSULTATION AND SO, IT WAS, YOU
KNOW DISCUSSED IN THAT CONTEXT,
PREVIOUS TO THAT, WE ALSO
DISCUSSED THE EVALUATION WITH
NIH'S TRIBAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
WHICH DOES INCLUDE TRIBAL
LEADERS AND THEY WERE
PARTICULARLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT
THIS CONCEPT AT THIS TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> PAM?
>> YES AND 1 OF THE THINGS SO
THIS IS NEAT AND THANKS TERRY
FOR BRINGING UP THE QUESTION
ABOUT THE TRIBAL INPUT.
IT'S--SORRY, THE SO THE IDEA OF
HAVING THE HUBS AND HAVING THE
MORE REGIONAL IMPACT
PARTICULARLY WITH THE LOWER
NUMBERS OF STUDENTS AT DIFFERENT
INTUITIONS.
HOW TO ENGAGE FACULTY AS WELL.
PARTICULARLY THOSE OF SIMILAR
BACKGROUNDS.
IS THERE A WAY TO SORT OF
ENHANCE THAT BOTH IN TERMS OF
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT KIND OF
COMPONENT TO SEE THAT THERE'S A
PATH FORWARD IN TERMS OF GETTING
FACULTY JOBS AND SO ON.
>> YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT AND WE CAN LOOK--1 OF
THE MODELS WE USE IS THE MOSAIC
MODEL THAT IS ALSO 1 OF THE
DISTRIBUTED MODEL WHERE THE HOPE
IS THAT THERE WILL HAVE SOME
IMPACT ON THE INSTITUTIONS OF
THE SCHOLARS BOTH AT THE K99
LEVEL AND THE R00 LEVEL.
WE'RE HOPING TO ENCOURAGE THE
SAME, YOU KNOW THERE'S ONLY SO
MUCH YOU CAN DO BUT YOU CAN
STRONGLY STROKLY ENCOURAGE THAT
AND THOSE ACTIVITIES.
THE IDEA IS THAT THERE WILL BE
CHANGES AT THE VARIOUS
INSTITUTIONS AS THEY UNDERSTAND
HOW TO BEST SUPPORT THESE
STUDENTS AND THERE'S OPEN LINES
OF COMMUNICATION ABOUT WHAT THE
STUDENTS NEED AND WHAT THEY'RE
USING.
IN TERMS OF THE END POINT AND
ROLE MODELS AND FEELING AS
THOUGH THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM
IN ACADEMIA AND I THINK THAT'S A
CRUCIAL POINT AND POTENTIALLY
THE HUBS CAN WORK TOGETHER TO
TRY TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT ROLE
MODELS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO CAN
HELP THE STUDENTS NAVIGATE THEIR
CAREER PATHWAYS.
SO, IT'S A GREAT POINT, IT'S AN
IMPORTANT POINT, THANK YOU.
>> OKAY, WELL, ERICA, TAKE IT
AWAY.
>> I MOVE MOVERY APREV THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS FOAs, ANYONE OPPOSED?
MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
>> THANK YOU ALLYSON AND NOW WE
WILL MOVE TO SOMETHING DIFFERENT
WHICH IS TO TALK ABOUT FUTURES
OF THE NATIONAL CENTERS FOR
CRYOELECTRON MICROSCOPY PROGRAM
AND PAULA FLICKER WILL LEAD
THAT.
>> OKAY.
WELL, I HAVE MY FIRST SLIDE.
SO I WILL PRESENT OUR IDEAS FOR
NEW CONCEPT FOR NATIONAL CENTERS
FOR CRYOEM, NEXT SLIDE.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THESE CENTERS
WILL BE TO INCREASE RESEARCH
CAPACITY AND KRIER O ELECTRON
MICROSCOPY BY PROVIDING
NATIONWIDE ACCESS TO AND
TRAINING IN ADVANCED CRYOEM
TECHNOLOGIES.
WE WANT TO LOWER THE BARRIER TO
ENTRY, IN ORDER TO SERVE, BROAD
DIVERSE RANGE OF USERS AND
INSTITUTIONS AND PROVIDE ECONOMY
OF SCALE BY CONCENTRATING
EXPERTISE AND STATE-OF-THE-ART
EQUIPMENT AT CENTERS.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO THERE CURRENTLY ARE THERE
CENTERS PROVIDING ACCESS AND
TRAINING IN CRYOEM AND THEY ARE
SUPPORTED BY THE COMMON FUND,
THE COMOND FUND SUPPORTED START
INDEED 2018 AND WILL END AT THE
END OF APRIL 2024.
THE CENTERS ARE THE NCCAT
CENTER, STANFORD SLACK AND
PACIFIC NORTHWEST CRYOEM CENTER
WHICH IS AT THE ORGHEALTH
SCIENCES UNIVERSITY AND PACIFIC
NORTHWEST NATIONAL LABORATORY.
EACH CENTER PROVIDES 4
CRYOELECTRON MICROSCOPES.
THEY HAVE 2 SCREENING CRYOELECT
ROB MICROSCOPES DEDICATED STAFF
AND EXTENSIVE USER FACILITY
INFRASTRUCTURE AND THEIR
PROVIDING FREE ACCESS TO THE
RESEARCH COMMUNITY VIAAN
APPLICATION AND REVIEW PROCESS.
SOME OF THE METRICS OF THEIR
SUCCESS ARE SHOWN HERE IN THE
SLIDE AND INCLUDE 9000 HOURS OF
SUPERVISED TRAINING AND 32,800
HOURS EVER DATA COLLECTION IN
2021.
THEY RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 980
APPLICATIONS FOR PROJECTS FOR
ACCESS OR TRAINING BETWEEN 2019
AND 2021.
OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF WHICH
ARE ACCEPTED TO GO FORWARD;
DURING COVID LOCK DOWNS, THE
CENTERS MANAGED TO STAY OPEN
WITH RESTRICTED ACCESS FOR THEIR
STAFF AND OF COURSE NO OUTSIDE
USERS COMING IN AND THEY
PRIORITIZE RESEARCH RELATED TO
SARS COVR 2 AND TODAY THERE HAVE
BEEN 19 PARENTS RELATED TO
SARS-COV-2 PUBLISHED USING DATA
COLLECTED AT 1 OF THE CENTERS.
ALL THE CENTERS HAVE WORKED ON
OUTREACH, ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND
THEY HAVE INCREASED IDEA STATE
INVESTIGATOR PARTICIPATION.
NEXT SLIDE PLEASE SO WE WOULD
LIKE TO CONTINUE SUPPORT AT
CRYOEM TO SHOW THESE POINTS AT
RIGHT SHOW THE NUMBER OF
RELEASED PROTEIN DATA BANK
STRUCTURES PER YEAR BY TECHNI
TECHNIQUE.
THE GREEN LINE AND CRYOEM
POSITIONS AND IN TWEBT 2021, THE
NUMBER OF STRUCTURES DEPOSITED
BY CRYOEM WAS MORE THAN 10 TIMES
HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER DEPOSITED
IF 2015.
STEPHAN MASS WHO USED TO BE AT
THE [INDISCERNIBLE] AND USE IS
NOW AT THE NATIONAL CANCER
INSTITUTE, PROPOSED
POSSIBILITIES.
SO THESE ARE STRUCTURAL BIOLOGY
FOCUSED OPERATING
GLOBALLYLICATIONS THAT DO NOT
HAVE A AIM OR SUBAIM DRUCTED AT
CRYOEM BUT DO PROPOSE THAT
CRYOEM MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATIVE
APPROACH FOR THEM AND STEPHAN
FOUND THAT THE PERCENT INCREASE
FROM 2% TO 7% WHEN HE COMPARED
APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED 2015, TO
2017 WITH THOSE SUBMITTED 2020
TO-2022.
A CRITICAL MASS OF
INSTRUMENTATION STAFF AND
EXPERTISE, AND AT THE CENTER
PROVIDES SUFFICIENCY FOR
TRAINING AND DATA COLLECTION.
OF COURSE, ELECTRON MICROSCOPES,
BREAK DOWN AND SO IF YOU HAVE
MULTIPLE MICROSCOPES THEN YOU
HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO
BE COLLECTING DATA EVEN THOUGH
YOU MAY HAVE 1 OR 2 INSTRUMENTS
IN THAT FUNCTION.
ALSO, CENTERS ARE A COST
EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVE TO
PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR EM
FACILITY USER FEES, VIA RO-1S.
A TYPICAL RATE PER DAY TO ACCESS
TO A CRYOMICROSCOPE IS
1000-$2000 TO INSTITUTIONS THAT
HOUSE THE MICROSCOPE, THE COST
WOULD GENERALLY BE TWICE THAT
MUCH FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AT
THAT INSTITUTION.
NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO OUR PLAN AND OBJECTIVES WILL
BE TO ISSUE A PROGRAM
ANNOUNCEMENT OPEN TO ANY
EXISTING CENTERS THAT HAVE AT
LEAST 4 HIGH RESOLUTION DATA
COLLECTION CRYOEM SYSTEMS AS
WELL AS CRYOEM SCREENING
MICROSCOPES AT A SINGLE SITE,
THEY A SHOULD HAVE USER FACILITY
INFRASTRUCTURES SUCH AS WORK
SPACE, COMPUTING FACILITIES
NEARBY LODGING, ET CETERA AND
APPLICANTS SHOULD HAVE AN EQUAL
OPPORTUNITY, OPEN ACCESS PEER
REVIEWED APPLICATION PROCESS IN
PLACE.
THIS IS FOR USE IN LABORATORIES,
AND CAPACITIES WE WOULD EXPECT
WOULD BE ONSITE, REMOTE ACCESS,
MAIL IN DATA COLLECTION
SERVICES, TRIEWMENTMENTATION AND
DATA QUALITY EQUAL 2 OR SETTING
CURRENT STATE-OF-THE-ART
STANDARDS AND WE WANT CENTERS
THAT PROVIDE SERVICES THAT
ENABLE INVESTIGATORS TO WORK
INDEPENDENTLY RATHER THAN
SOLVING STRUCTURES FOR THEM.
IN ADDITION, WANT TO INCREASE
THE NUMBER OF WELL QUALIFIED
CRYOEM PRACTITIONERS BY CROSS
TRAINING LABORATORY, ADDRESS THE
COMMUNITY WIDE NEED FOR
PREPARING DAT TO MAKE A VIABLE
APPLICATION FOR ACCESS FOR
ADDITIONAL DATA COLLECTION AND
THEN WE WANT CENTERS TO PROPOSE
OUTREACH ACTIVITIES TO INSURE
ACCESS FOR A BROAD RANGE OF
USERS AND INSTITUTIONS.
NEXT SLIDE.
SO THAT'S WHAT OUR IDEAS ARE AND
I'M HOPING TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS.
>> FANTASTIC.
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, AMY?
COMMENT AND A QUESTION, THE
COMMENT IS I JUST WANT TO SAY
I'VE USED ALL 3 CENTERS AND
THEY'VE BEEN REALLY GREAT AND
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WORK THAT
WE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO
DO ON OUR OWN.
SO, I'M ALL FOR THIS.
THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO
ASK ABOUT WAS CRYOELECTRON TOM
AGRAPHY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL
TRYING TO GO NOW, CAN WE SEE THE
STRUCTURE INSIDE THE CELL AND I
FEEL LIKE THERE'S A HUGE DEMAND
FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DO
THAT IS BEING INCORPORATED INTO
FUTURE PLANS?
>> WELL, WE CURRENTLY, THE
COMMON FUND IS SUPPORTING A
NETWORK OF CRYOELECTRON
TOMOGRAPHY CENTERS AND THEY'RE
JUST STARTING THEIR THIRD YEAR
OF FUNDING SO THEY WILL--FUND IT
BY THE COMMON FUND FOR A FEW
MORE YEARS AND THEN THE REVIEW
FOR THE THEM POSSIBLY GETTING 2
MORE YEARS AFTER YEAR 4 WILL
HAPPEN THE NEXT YEAR AND
THEN--OKAY.
>> SO OUR HOPE AMY WOULD BE, YOU
KNOW BUDGET PERMITTING THAT YOU
WOULD PROBABLY HEAR A CRYY ET,
PROPOSAL FROM US FOR CENTERS IN
A COUPLE YEARS FROM THAT TO
CONTINUE TO FUNDING ASSUMING
THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL BUT YOU'RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, CRYOET SEEMS
TO BE THE NEXT THING AND WE'RE
VERY MUCH ENGAGED IN TRYING TO
PROMOTE IT.
>> GREAT, THANK YOU.
>> DAVID.
>> SO THIS ALSO SOUNDS GREAT TO
ME, I'M CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU
ARRIVED AT THE NUMBER OF
TRIEWMENTS NEEDED BEFORE ANDIME
WONDERING HOW MANY SIGHTS YOU
THINK ALREADY HAVE MORE OF THESE
INSTRUMENTS AND WOULD BE ABLE TO
APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS?
>> WELL WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH THE
CENTERS SUPPORTED THAT DO HAVE 4
MICROSCOPES, IT SEEMS TO BE
WORKING AND IN FACT WE WERE IN
TOUCH WITH THEM ALL THE TIME OF,
QUITE FREQUENTLY AND WE HAVE
SPOKEN TO THEM ON OCCASIONS
WHERE 2 MICROSCOPES WEREN'T
RUNNING.
WE NEED A SOSMLE WITH THOSE
SITTING AROUND, IF YOU HAVE 4
YOU HAVE 2 RUNNING AT ANY GIVEN
TIME, YOU DON'T HAVE 3, YOU ONLY
HAVE 1 RUNNING POSSIBLY SO,.
>> BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE AS
TO HOW MANY SITES HAVE 4 AND
WOULD BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY,
WOULD THERE BE TWICE AS MANY
APPLICATIONS IF YOU ALLOWED 3--
>> YEAH, I'M THINKING I HAVE NO
SENSE AS HO HOW MANY SIGHTS
MIGHT HAVE 4 READY TO GO, JUST
WONDERING IF YOU DID.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR
PAULA.
SO I NOTICED THESE GEOGRAPHIC
CENTERS NOW, IS THERE ANYTHING
WE CAN HELP WITH THE IDEA STATES
OR SOME OTHER TARGETED FOCUS.
>> [INDISCERNIBLE]
>> WHAT WAS THAT SOME.
>> AMY SAID THE MIDWEST.
>> YEAH, THE MIDWEST
PARTICULARLY, MIDWEST AND SOUTH
WAS WHAT I WAS THINKING.
>> THE CRYOET CENTERS WAS THE
HUB FOR THEM THAT IS IN MADISON
WISCONSIN AND WE ALSO HAVE AND
WE ALSO HAVE A CENTER IN
COLORADO, THE UNIVERSITY OF
COLORADO AT BOULDER.
THESE THESE ARE DOING A LOT TO
THE STATES AND WE ARE STARTING
TO SEE INVESTIGATORS FROM THOSE
STATES.
THEY ARE SETTING 1 OF THE
CENTERS IS SETTING UP A LOANER
PROGRAM WHERE THEY WOULD LOAN
THE APPARATUS FROM FREEZING THE
GRIDS.
AND MONTANA STATE IS SETTING UP
A MICROSCOPE AND I KNOW MONTANA
STATE AND UNIVERSITY WILL HAVE
ACCESS TO IT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT
BROADER ACCESS.
ALSO I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER
MIDWEST RATES APPLYING FOR--I
MEAN THERE ARE CERTAINLY OTHER
CRYOMICROSCOPES IN THE MIDWEST
AND UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN FOR
EXAMPLE, AND THEY REALLY JUST
NEED THE SCREENING MICROSCOPE.
THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH THE
SAMPLES AND THEN THEY CAN GO TO
A CENTER AND COLLECT IT THERE.
>> YEAH, THANKS.
I WILL ADD TO WHAT PAULA SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW IN PART BECAUSE
NIGMS MANAGES THE PROGRAM BUT
THE CENTERS HAVE BEEN REALLY
GREAT IF TERMS OF WORKING ON
OUTREACH WITH IDEA STATES.
YOU KNOW THEY'VE GONE TO
MEETINGS AND DONE TARGETED
OUTREACH SO IT'S HELPING BUT I
THINK MORE CAN BE DONE.
MING IS GIVING IT UP THUMBS UP
SO HE'S APPARENTLY HAPPY WITH
IT.
THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH THE
IDEA STATES.
WE'VE.
>> WE'VE GIVEN THEM SUPPLEMENTS
IN USING THE TRAINING AND
TRIEWMENTSA THE THIS CENTER.
>> TECHNOLOGICALLY IF THIS
EVOLVES IT IS WAY WE THINK WE
HOPE IT WILL AS PAWLG PAULA
SAID, EVENTUALLY WE WOULD LIKE
TO SEE IT BE LIKE THE SINK TRONS
FOR X-RAY CRYSTALLOGRAPHY WHERE
PEOPLE MAIL THEIR SAMPLES IN, SO
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE
AND YOU CAN OPERATE THE
INSTRUMENTS OVER YOUR COMPUTER,
AND THEN THE GEOGRAPHY OF WHERE
THE ACTUAL CENTERS ARE PONENT
MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE YOU
CAN DO EVERYTHING JUST BY
MAILING YOUR SAMPLES IN.
THAT'S WHAT WE HOPE WILL
EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> GEOGRAPHY INDEPENDENT
SCIENCE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
NICOLE?
>> JUST--JUST WHEN WE THINK
ABOUT THIS HOW DOES THIS FIT IN
WITH THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST LAB
FACILITY AND THE BROOK HAVEN
CRYOFACILLITY AND THEIR PLANS
BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE IN MAIL-IN
SAMPLES AT THIS JUNCTURE?
AND YOU KNOW THEY ARE--
>> THE INTEREST WE HAVE NOW,
COULD BE FURTHER DEVELOP THEIR
REMOTE ACCESS CAPABILITIES DUE
TO COVID.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> TWO OF THEM ARE QUITE CLOSE
TO 2 OF YOUR CENTERS ACTUALLY.
>> PACIFIC NORTHWEST IS PART OF
THEM.
>> OKAY, AND THAT'S PART OF THAT
BUT THE PNNL MONEY FROM D. O. E.
IS NOT NECESSARILY BI ONY
LOGIONY--BIOLOGICAL RESOURCE.
NBROOK HAVEN.
>> BROOK HAVEN HAS 1 MICROSCOPE
AND THEY'RE RUNNING IT AS A
CENTER FOR FOR THEIR DOE FUNDED
RESEARCH.
>> YEAH.
>> OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
OKAY, ERICA.
>> I MOVE WE APPROVE THIS
CONCEPT FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT
AS A FOA, IS ANYONE OPPOSED?
THE CONCEPT IS APPROVED, THANK
YOU.
>> GREAT.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL VERY
MUCH, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL,
GREAT DISCUSSIONS AND GREAT TO
BE ABLE TO MOVE THESE FORWARD.
AT THIS STAGE, I THINK WE CAN
OPEN FLOOR IF ANYONE HAS ANY
TOPICS THEY WANT TO PUT ON THE
TABLE EITHER FOR DISCUSSION NOW
OR FOR FUTURE MEETINGS WE'RE
HAPPY TO HEAR THEM.
OTHERWISE WE CAN BREAK FOR
LUNCH.
BUT WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES SO IF
ANYONE WANTS TO RAISE ANYTHING,
PLEASE FEEL FREE.
ANGELA?
>> YEAH, I WAS WONDERING WHAT
KIND OF DATA COLLECTION YOU GUYS
ARE DOING ON COVID IMPACTS
ACROSS THE TRAINING PIPELINE AND
ALSO THE FACULTY STAGES IF ANY?
ANECDOTALLY I'M HEARING A LOT SO
I WOULD BE CURIOUS IF THERE ARE
SYSTEMATIC EFFORTS IN IN
DIRECTION.
>> NO THIS, IS SOMETHING THAT
THE OFFICE OF EXTRAMURAL
RESEARCH HAS BEEN THINKING ABOUT
AND WORKING ON FOR THE ENTIRE
NIH FUNDED ECOSYSTEM.
WE FOR OUR PART, YOU KNOW ARE
ALWAYS MONITORING THE TRAINEES
THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING AND THE
NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS WE GET
FROM DIFFERENT GROUPS, ET
CETERA, ET CETERA SO THAT'S I
THINK PRIMARILY MOVING FORWARD
HOW WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THE
IMPACTS.
WE ALSO HAVE BEEN GIVING FUNDED
SUPPLEMENTS TO FELLOWSHIP AND K
AWARDEES WHO HAD PARTICULARLY
HARDSHIPS DURING THE PANDEMIC SO
WE'VE BEEN MONITORING THE NUMBER
OF THOSE WE'VE GOTTEN, I THINK
ALLYSON CAN CORRECT ME BUT THE
NUMBER HAS DECLEESED
DRAMATICALLY RECENTLY.
YEAH, SHE'S NODDING.
BUT THE LONGER TERM IMPACTS WILL
HAVE TO CONTINUE TO AGAIN WATCH
FOR TRENDS AND TO SEE IF WOO CAN
DISCERN ANY DOWNWARD TRENDS
WOULD BE WHAT YOU WOULD
UNFORTUNATELY.
>> YEAH, IT MIGHT BE--MIGHT BE
USEFUL TO ALSO LOOK AT SOME
FEATURES IN THE REVIEW PROCESS,
RIGHT?
LIKE HOW PRODUCTIVITY IN THE
LAST FUNDING PERIOD SPREADS AS
A--YOU KNOW ACROSS DIFFERENT
DEMOGRAPHICS, I MEAN IT'S VERY
HARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SORT
OF SYSTEMATICALLY LOOK AT THESE
ISSUES BUT, ANYWAY, I WOULD
JUST--I WOULD ENCOURAGE SORT OF
A THOUGHTFUL MULTIPRONGED
APPROACH KIND OF ALMOST IN THE
WEEDS OF SORT OF THE QUALITATIVE
DATA THAT YOU GUYS SEE AS WELL,
IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
>> YEAH, YEAH.
I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THOUGH, YOU
WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF
CAUSE AND EFFECT AND WHETHER A
TREND YOU SEE IS BECAUSE OF
COVID OR BECAUSE OF SOMETHING
ELSE.
>> YEAH, IT'S COMPLICATED BUT
I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT IT'S ON
THE ARRA DART--DAR RADAR AND YOG
IT.
>> PAM?
SO I REALLY APPRECIATED TODAY'S
SESSION, 1 THING THAT SORT OF
HAS BEEN SWIMMING AROUND IN MY
MIND IS ISSUES AROUND REGIONAL
IMPACT AND SEEING HOW PROMISING
THE IDEA STATES HAVE BEEN IN
TERMS OF THOSE ASPECTS AND THEN
THE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH
RESPECT PARTICULARLY SORT OF
RURAL AREAS WHERE THE
POPULATIONS AREN'T AS GREAT AND
HOW TO MAXIMIZE THE ENGAGEMENT
OF PEOPLE.
THE SAME THING BEING TRUE IN
TERMS OF THE TRIBAL ADVANCES AND
TERMS OF THE NARCH AWARDS AND
TRAINING GRANTS THAT ALLYSON WAS
PRESENTING TODAY.
AND SO ON HER SLIDE, IT WAS
SHOWING WITH A PARTICULAR FOCUS
ON AI AND NATIVE ALASKA ANS BUT
IF WE ALSO LOOK AT THE HISPANIC
CONTRIBUTIONS, THERE'S GOOD
PROGRESSION TO THE ASSOCIATES
DEGREES AND THEN IT STARTS TO
DROP OFF.
AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S
BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO LOOKING AT
SOME OF THE PERHAPS GEOGRAPHIC
CONSTRAINTS ENCOUNTERED BY
HISPANIC OR LATIN X STUDENTS AND
WHETHER OR NOT THERE MAY BE SOME
KINDS OF REGIONAL KINDS OF
PROGRAMS THAT CAN ASSIST US IN
INSURING THAT WE DON'T GET THAT
FALL OFF OF THIS POPULATION AS
WELL.
YOU MAY ALREADY BE THINKING
ABOUT THAT.
>> WELL YOUR GENERAL POINT
DEFINITELY AND I CAN TURN TO
ALLYSON MORE SPECIFICS IN THE
CASE OF HISPANIC STUDENTS BUT,
YOU KNOW YOUR GENERAL POINT THAT
THAT PEOPLE MAY BE ABLE TO MOVE
AND TRYING TO ADDRESS THROUGH
PROGRAMS LIKE IDEA, CERTAINLY, I
MEAN THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL
PRINCIPAL AND IDEA, RIGHT?
BUT, I THINK THERE IS SOMETIMES
AN ASSUMPTION IN ACADEMIA THAT
ANYONE CAN MOVE ANYWHERE THEY
WANT TO GO TO GRADUATE SCHOOL OR
TO GO TO COLLEGE OR YOU KNOW TO
GO TO POST DOC AND THAT'S REALLY
FREQUENTLY NOT TRUE AND CAN
ACTUALLY BE UNTRUE FOR PEOPLE
FROM MARGINALIZED BACKGROUNDS
FROM LOW SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS
BACKGROUNDS, ET CETERA, AND SO
WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRYING TO
INCORPORATE INTOURE THINKING AND
PROGRAMS THAT LOCALITY CAN
REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND IF
YOU'RE NOT THINK BEING IT, YOU
COULD LOSE A LOT OF TALENT FROM
THE SYSTEM.
ALLYSON DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS MPLET.
>> JOHN I THINK IT'S A GREAT
POINT AND THE OTHER THING WE DO
IS WE JUST SAY THAT IT'S REALLY
KEY FOR TRAINING TO GO TO NEW
INSTITUTIONAL ENVIRONMENTS AND
WE'RE SENDING THAT MESSAGE OUT
BUT YOU KNOW HOW MUCH DATA DO WE
ACTUALLY HAVE ON THIS AND WHO
ARE WE LOSING BY THAT.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE
REALLY BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT
AND THERE IS MORE DATA ON FAMILY
ENGAGEMENT AND REALLY HELPING
FAMILIES UNDERSTAND WHAT IT
REQUIRES TO SORT OF TRANSITION
THROUGH THE CAREER PATHWAY AND
THAT THIS IS NOT A REJECTION OF
FAMILY OR YOU KNOW THAT IT
REALLY IS PART OF THE PROCESS,
AND THAT--AND HELPING FOLK BOTH
THE STUDENTS DEAL WITH IT AND
THE FAMILIES AS WELL TO SAY
THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS
THAT ARE REQUIRED TO TRANSITION
THROUGH THE PATHWAY, THIS
INCLUDES GOING AWAY TO THE
SUMMER FOR RESEARCH OR OTHER
SUCH THINGS AND SO IT'S JUST
HELPFUL AND IT'S PROVEN TO BE
VERY EFFECTIVE AND HOPING TO
HAVE MORE OF THESE STUDIES
PUBLISHED AND MORE OF THIS TAKEN
UP SO THAT PEOPLE REALLY
CONSIDER THAT STUDENTS ARE
STRUGGLING WITH A LOT OF THINGS
WHEN THEY MAKE THEIR CAREER
DECISIONS.
SO IT'S A GREAT POINT AND THANK
YOU FOR RAISING IT.
IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
>> CAN I JUST CYCLE THIS BACK TO
THE STIPEND DISCUSSION REALLY
BRIEFLY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS
1 OF THE WAYS TO PUSH BACK ABOUT
THE COST OF LIVING ISSUE.
I MEAN SO JOHN, YOU SAID WELL
PEOPLE ARE GOING IT SAY, WELL,
JUST MOVE TO WHERE IT'S CHEAPER,
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT
CAN'T DO THAT.
THEY'VE GOT FAMILY OBLIGATIONS
IN A SPECIFIC PLACE OR WHATEVER,
AND I THINK THAT I WOULD JUST
PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON THE
RESPONSE OF JUST GO SOMEWHERE
CHEAPER, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR A
LOT OF PEOPLE ESPECIALLY PEOPLE
FROM UNDER REPRESENTED GROUPS SO
JUST TO GIVE THAT AS A
POTENTIALLY USE AS A KIND OF
COUNTER TO THAT ARGUMENT.
>> YEP, THAT'S A POINT FOR SURE.
OTHERS COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
THINGS PEOPLE WANT TO BRING UP?
OKAY, WELL WE'VE HAD A VERY,
RICH DISCUSSION.
I REALLY THANK EVERYONE FOR
THEIR INPUT, IT WAS REALLY
TERRIFIC AND WE WILL BE TAKING
ALL THESE THINGS INTO
CONSIDERATION AS WE MOVE
FORWARD.
AT THIS POINT WE WILL BREAK FOR
LUNCH PLEASE REMEMBER COUNCIL
MEMBERS WHEN YOU COME BACK TO
THE CLOSED SESSION IT'S A
DIFFERENT LINK.
IT'S NOT THE SAME LINK AS THIS
AND I WOULD SAY, WE SHOULD
PROBABLY COME BACK ABOUT 1:15,
DOES THAT WORK, DARIN?
>> SURE, IF IT WORKS WITH ALL
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF?
>> WORK FOR EVERYBODY?
>> OKAY, TERRIFIC.
THUMBS UP FROM TERRY.
PRESIDENT THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR THE THUMBS UP.
WE WILL SEE YOU ALL COUNSEL
ILLEGALS MEMBERS AT 1:15 ON A
DIFFERENT LINK.
SEE YOU THERE, HAVE A GOOD
LUNCH.