1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,800 THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,360 TODAY'S NATIONAL LIBRARY OF 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:11,680 MEDICINE HISTORY TALK. 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,280 ANNUAL SERIES OF PROGRAMS DESIGN 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,600 TO PROMOTE AWARENESS AND USE OF 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,880 NLM AND HISTORICAL COLLECTIONS 7 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,240 FOR RESEARCH, EDUCATION AND 8 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:26,800 PUBLIC SERVICES IN BIO MEDICINE 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,320 AND SOCIAL TALKS AND TO 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,680 RECOGNIZE THE DIVERSITY OF 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,760 COLLECTIONS WHICH ENCOMPASS A 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,400 RANGE OF DIGITAL AND PHYSICAL 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,560 FORMATS AND ORIGINAL FROM NEARLY 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,840 EVERY PART OF THE GLOBE. 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,240 MOREOVER NLM HISTORY TALKS FORUM 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,360 DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS WHO VAL 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,760 THROUGH THE COLLECTIONS AND USE 18 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:50,520 THEM TO ADVANCE THE RESEARCH 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,680 THEY'RE TEACHING AND LEARNING. 20 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,280 WELCOME EVERYONE. 21 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,880 FOR THOSE ON TWITTER, THANK YOU 22 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,520 FOR FOLLOWING ALONG USING THE 23 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 HASH TAG NLM HISTORY TALK AND 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,080 USE THE LIVE FEEDBACK BUTTON 25 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 UNDER THE VIDEO SCREEN AND THE 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,560 QUESTIONS WILL COME TO ME AND 27 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,560 I'LL SHARE. 28 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,680 TODAY I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF 29 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,960 INTRODUCING PROFESSOR OF DREXEL 30 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,240 UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC 31 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,840 HEALTH IN THE DEPARTMENT OF 32 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 COMMUNITY HEALTH AND PREVENTION. 33 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,680 HE'S THE CO-AUTHOR OF DOZENS OF 34 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,720 SCHOLARLY ARTICLE WHICH IS 35 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,400 EXAMINE DEMOGRAPHIC VARIABLE. 36 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,920 THE WORK ORIGINATED ON DEFINING 37 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,320 AND MEASURING SEXUAL 38 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:31,920 ORIENTATIONS AND SAMPLING SEXUAL 39 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,560 MINORITIES FOR PUBLIC HEALTH 40 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:33,840 RESEARCH. 41 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,800 HE JOINS US TODAY TO TALK ABOUT 42 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,960 A DIMENSION MUCH HIS RESEARCH 43 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,720 WHICH TOOK HIM TO THE ARCHIVAL 44 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:42,920 COLLECTIONS OF THE NATIONAL 45 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,360 LIBRARY OF MEDICINE. 46 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 THE TIME IS WE'RE HERE, WE'RE 47 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,920 QUEER AND GET USED TO IT AND 48 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,680 STRUGGLES AND STORIES TO BE 49 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,040 HEARD TODAY, AND TOMORROW. 50 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,120 WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR 51 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:56,320 TALK. 52 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,640 >>THANK YOU, DR. REZ NICK THREW 53 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,400 FOR THE INTRODUCTION. 54 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,280 WHO RECOGNIZES THIS PICTURE? 55 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,920 I HOPE SOMEONE IN SOME ROOM 56 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:08,120 WATCHING IS RAISING THEIR HAND 57 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,760 BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN 58 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,720 IMPORTANT PICTURE TAKEN AT AN 59 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,760 IMPORTANT MOMENT. 60 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,680 A HINT IS THAT IT HAPPENED AT AN 61 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,520 AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION 62 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,960 CONFERENCE IN 1971. 63 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,520 I'LL COME BACK TO IT A LITTLE 64 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,040 BIT LATER. 65 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:34,040 DR. RESNIK MENTIONED MUCH OF MY 66 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,120 WORK CRITICALLY EXAMINES 67 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,120 DEMOGRAPHIC VARIABLES AND I'M 68 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,200 INTERESTED IN HOW KNOWLEDGE IS 69 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,120 CONSTRUCTED AND THE CONSEQUENCES 70 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:41,880 OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS 71 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,720 WHICH IN SCIENCE WE CALL 72 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,800 RESEARCH METHODS ON WHAT IS 73 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,120 CONSTRUCTED AND ULTIMATELY WHAT 74 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:51,680 WE KNOW. 75 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,520 WHAT WE KNOW AND HOW WE GET TO 76 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,520 KNOW IT WHICH IS ALMOST ENTIRELY 77 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,680 NON-RANDOM OR VICE VERSA IS OF 78 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,800 INTEREST BECAUSE IT 79 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,320 SIMULTANEOUSLY SUPPORTS AND 80 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,840 THREATENED THE EXISTENCE OF 81 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,160 QUEER PEOPLE. 82 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,680 FOR QUEER FOLK, UNDERSTANDING 83 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,360 THE PROCESSES INVOLVED IN 84 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,160 KNOWLEDGE CONSTRUCTION IS 85 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,040 CONSEQUENTLY ESSENTIAL. 86 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,360 I'VE COME TO UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU 87 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,800 CAN'T TAKE SOMETHING FOR GRANTED 88 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,280 SUCH AS MARRIAGE OR EMPLOYMENT 89 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,320 OR HOUSING OR PARENTAL RIGHTS OR 90 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,680 PUBLISHING OR SIMPLY BEING 91 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,040 REPRESENTED ON A LIBRARY SHELF, 92 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,640 YOU THINK BIT MORE CRITICALLY. 93 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:29,840 EXPLORING THE ROLE OF LIBRARIES 94 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:30,480 IN THE KNOWLEDGE CONSTRUCTION 95 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,960 PROCESS IS THE FOCUS OF THIS 96 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,360 TALK. 97 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,880 SO SOME QUICK BACKGROUND ABOUT 98 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:39,080 ME. 99 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,920 I CAME OUT SOMEWHAT IN HIGH 100 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:41,760 SCHOOL. 101 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,720 I STARTED COLLEGE IN 1982 AT THE 102 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,880 DAWN OF THE AIDS EPIDEMIC SO I 103 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,440 WAS OUT IN COLLEGE. 104 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,880 I STARTED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF 105 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:58,360 PENNSYLVANIA ORGANIZED THE FIRST 106 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,240 AIDS AWARENESS WEEK AT PROBABLY 107 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,160 ANY UNIVERSITY IN THE COUNTRY 108 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,640 AND IN 1988 I STARTED WORKING AT 109 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,760 THE PROJECT HOPE CENTER FOR 110 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:07,400 HEALTH AFFAIRS IN WASHINGTON, 111 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,440 D.C. WHERE I BEGAN WORKING ON 112 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,120 NUMEROUS PROJECTS EXAMINING THE 113 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,800 HEALTH OF GAY MEN IN 114 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,080 RELATIONSHIP TO AIDS ON SOME OF 115 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,200 THE FIRST GOVERNMENT-FUNDED AIDS 116 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:17,760 STUDIES. 117 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:22,200 ONE OF THESE PROJECTS WITH THE 118 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:22,800 INTERNATIONAL AIDS SURVEY. 119 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,280 IT LED ME TO UNDERSTAND THE 120 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,360 IMPORTANCE OF DATA IN VISIBILITY 121 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,360 AND HOW THE IMPACT AND HOW THAT 122 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:33,760 IMPACTS PROGRAMS AND FUNDING 123 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,120 WHICH LED ME TO IN 1989 FIRST 124 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,320 ASKING THE NATIONAL HEALTH 125 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,920 INTERVIEW SURVEY TO COLLECT 126 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,960 SEXUAL ORIENTATION DATA. 127 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,480 I WENT TO THE PEOPLE AND SAID 128 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,360 YOU NEED TO ADD A SEXUAL 129 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:47,880 ORIENTATION VARIABLE. 130 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,600 NO ONE REALLY LISTENED TO ME OF 131 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,520 COURSE BUT THAT SPURRED ME IN 132 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,720 1990 TO GO ON TO MY DOCTORAL 133 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,280 STUDIES WHERE I WROTE DOWN ON A 134 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,720 PIECE OF PAPER THE LAST THING 135 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,160 YOU'LL SEE ON THE SLIDE, DATA 136 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,760 EQUALS POWER. 137 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,200 I WAS STEALING OF COURSE FROM 138 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,240 SCIENCE EQUALS DATA AND I 139 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,040 PARTICIPATED IN THE LATE '80s 140 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,880 AND YOU CAN GENERALIZE 141 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,680 INFORMATION EQUALS POWER. 142 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,800 I BEGIN EXAMINING SO I BEGAN 143 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,120 EXAMINING HOW RESEARCHERS 144 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,720 HISTORICALLY STUDIED AND 145 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,680 CONSEQUENTLY CONSTRUCTED 146 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,160 KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GAY MEN. 147 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:33,720 WHICH LED KNOW SPEND A LOT OF 148 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,720 TIME IN LIBRARIES AND AT THE 149 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 TIME WHEN THERE WERE USED BOOK 150 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,680 STORES, USED BOOK STORES ALL 151 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,560 OVER BOSTON AND ANY CITY I 152 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:42,800 VISITED. 153 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,640 IN 1991 I CAME ACROSS ONE OF THE 154 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:53,080 BOOKS THAT INTRIGUED ME MOST 155 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,400 WHICH WAS THE AUTHOR JENNY JUNE 156 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:08,800 AND THE BIOGRAPHY OF AN 157 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:10,840 ANDRODINE. 158 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:11,680 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW GAY 159 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,200 MATERIALS GET IN LIBRARIES. 160 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,280 BY GAY I'M USING THE WORD GAY 161 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,720 STARTED WORKING ON THIS THE GAY 162 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,440 TASK FORCE LIBERATION FOUND IN 163 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,840 1971 USED THE WORD GAY AND TALK 164 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:27,840 ABOUT GAY MATERIALS. 165 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:36,280 DAY WE MAY CHANGE IT AND USE THE 166 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,880 WORD MINORITY BUT I'M TALKING 167 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,360 ABOUT ANY INTERSECTS YOU WANT TO 168 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:41,560 IMAGINE. 169 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,160 HOW THE MATERIALS GET IN 170 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,440 LIBRARIES? 171 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,440 THERE'S VARIOUS BARRIERS TO 172 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,400 GETTING IN THE LIBRARIES. 173 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,640 FIRST THEY HAVE TO GET PRODUCED. 174 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:54,280 ONE THING I FOCUSSED ON IS 175 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:55,400 PARTICULARLY WITH EARLIER 176 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,680 WRITERS WHAT'S THE INTERNAL 177 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,920 MOTIVATION THAT MAKES YOU WANT 178 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,320 TO WRITE SOMETHING AND I'LL GIVE 179 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,840 A HINT TO WHAT I THINK SOME OF 180 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,720 THE REASONS WHY MIGHT BE. 181 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,920 IF YOU WRITE SOMETHING HOW GET 182 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:10,160 PUBLISHED? 183 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,360 EARLY FOLKS GIVING A BOOK 184 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,760 CONTRACT THEN DISTRIBUTION IN 185 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:22,400 THE EARLY DAYS WAS OFTEN WITH 186 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:24,400 BOOKS PUBLISH ORDER WRITTEN WAS 187 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,160 DISTRIBUTED PERSON TO PERSON LET 188 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,400 ALONE THROUGH BOOKS OR LIBRARIES 189 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,440 AND WORKING LIBRARIES KNOW THESE 190 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,200 THINGS AREN'T FREE AND IF YOU 191 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,840 HAVE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO 192 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,600 ANYTHING HAPPENING IN THE WORLD 193 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,880 TODAY YOU KNOW THERE'S SOCIAL 194 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,960 AND POLITICAL COST TO ACQUIRE 195 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:52,680 THE DOCUMENTS AND HOW THEY'RE 196 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 CLASSIFIED AND SUBJECT HEADINGS 197 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:55,160 AND HOW THEY GET LABELLED FOR 198 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,440 SEARCHING. 199 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,640 IS THAT GOES TO WHERE THEY GET 200 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,720 SHELVED AND ALSO ONCE THEY'RE IN 201 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,640 A LIBRARY, HOW ARE THEY 202 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:06,880 RETAINED? 203 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,720 THEY'RE DE FACED, STOLEN I HAVE 204 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,200 A COUPLE STORIES ABOUT STEALING 205 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:15,480 I HOPE TO GET TO OR BANNED. 206 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 SO JENNIFER TERRY IN HER BOOK 207 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,640 TITLED AN AMERICAN OBSESSION 208 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,600 STATES FOR THE LATE 20th 209 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,200 CENTURIES WRITING IN SEXUALITY 210 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,560 EARTH THAN DESCRIBING IT WAS 211 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,640 DISCOURAGED IN THE UNITED 212 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:31,240 STATES. 213 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,040 AUTHORS MET WITH CENSORSHIP AND 214 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,680 PUBLIC CRITICISM AND EVEN 215 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:39,000 PERSECUTION ON OBSCENITY CHARGES 216 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,280 THUS LIMITING WHO WOULD SPEAK. 217 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,640 TODAY I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME 218 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:49,800 OR ALL OF THE THINGS ON THIS 219 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,680 SLIDE USING EXAMPLES OF THREE 220 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:52,160 PEOPLE. 221 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,320 TWO OF WHICH HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT 222 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:58,320 ARE IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF 223 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:58,600 MEDICINE. 224 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,200 THE FIRST WENT BY MANY NAMES 225 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,480 TODAY. 226 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,880 TODAY I'M GOING USE THE USE 227 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,640 WORTHER AND MALE PRONOUNS AND IN 228 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,040 OTHER PRESENTATIONS I'LL USE 229 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,440 FEMALE OR THEY PRONOUNS AND HERE 230 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:12,680 BECAUSE OF THE DOCUMENTS IN THE 231 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:15,440 NATIONAL LIBRARY OF MEDICINE, 232 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,920 THE WORTHER IS USED AND USES 233 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,400 MALE PRONOUNS ABOUT HIMSELF. 234 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,200 I'LL TELL THE STORY FROM THAT 235 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,800 PREVIOUS SLIDE USING WORTHER AND 236 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,320 THE DOCUMENT OF THE UNDER WORLD 237 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,840 IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF 238 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 MEDICINE COLLECTION, ALAN 239 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,160 BERNSTEIN AND HIS DOCUMENT IN 240 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,680 THE COLLECTION TITLED MILLIONS 241 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,040 OF QUEERS ARE HOMO AMERICA. 242 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,040 ONE OF MY FAVORITE TITLED BOOKS 243 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,680 OR MANUSCRIPTS. 244 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,400 BUT I'M ADDING BARBARA GIDDENS 245 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,920 FOR THE AMERICAN LIBRARY 246 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,720 ASSOCIATION TASK FORCE ON GAY 247 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,680 LIBERATION AND THE STUFF THAT 248 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:55,720 SHE WROTE AND WORKED ON. 249 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,400 FIRST, I WANT TO QUICKLY GIVE AN 250 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,480 EXAMPLE OF HOW POWERFUL A SINGLE 251 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:10,800 BOOK IN A LIBRARY CAN BE. 252 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,880 WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO HAVE A 253 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 BOOK IN A LIBRARY AND WHEN THEY 254 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,680 PUBLISHED SEXUAL INVERSION IN 255 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:25,120 GERM ANYONE 1896 IN ENGLISH IN 256 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,000 1897 WITH LATER ADDITIONS. 257 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,560 SEXUAL INVERSION TODAY I'LL 258 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:34,400 EQUATE WITH HOMO SEXUALITY IS 259 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,520 OFTEN EQUATED WITH IT. 260 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:41,800 ELL 261 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,680 ELLISS HAD TO FIGHT TO GET THE 262 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,400 BOOK PUBLISHED AND WORKED WITH 263 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:52,440 SIMON WHO SAID WAS A QUASATIVE 264 00:10:52,440 --> 00:11:02,280 HOMOSEXUAL. 265 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,480 IT WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN 266 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,200 GERMANY AND THE BOOK WAS 267 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:10,840 SUPPRESSED BY BRITISH 268 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,440 AUTHORITIES WHO EVEN CHARGED THE 269 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,800 BOOK SELLER FOR SELLING IT AND 270 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,080 THE BOOK SELLER JUST PLED GUILTY 271 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,520 RATHER THAN FIGHT THE CHARGES. 272 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,680 SIMONS' FAMILY TRIED TO SUPPRESS 273 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,680 THE BOOK MOSTLY TO PROTECT 274 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:31,720 THEMSELVES. 275 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,320 SIMOOONS -- BUT THE BOOK GOT 276 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,360 PUBLISHED AND GOING BACK TO THE 277 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:46,800 SAMPLE, WERTHER. 278 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,440 THEY AVAILED THEMSELVES TO THE 279 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,280 NEW YORK ACADEMY OF MEDICINE IN 280 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,040 THE 1890s. 281 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,280 SOME YEARS LATER I READ THE BOOK 282 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,120 SEXUAL INVERSION AND UNTIL 30 283 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,800 YEARS AGO AMERICAN AND BRITISH 284 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,000 PUBLIC OPINION WOULD NOT 285 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,920 TOLERATE THE FACTS EVEN FOR 286 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,640 CIRCULATION AMONG THE MEDICAL 287 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,320 PROFESSION. 288 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,400 AND THE SEXUAL INVERSION THE 289 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,640 EARLIEST PUBLIC BOOK IN THE 290 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,160 ENGLISH LANGUAGE WAS PROPERLY 291 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,720 SUPPRESSED BY THE BRITISH 292 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:25,920 GOVERNMENT. 293 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,840 WERTHER KNEW OF THE TROUBLES OF 294 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:35,680 THE PUBLICATION AND BERNSTEIN 295 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:38,040 CITES ELLIS. 296 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,440 TODAY THESE ARE THE STANDARDS, 297 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:49,360 IN THE 1930s, ELLIS' AND EVING 298 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:55,080 AND GETTENS STATES IN A GREAT 299 00:12:55,080 --> 00:13:03,160 REPORTING WITH ERIC MARCUS THE 300 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,240 MAKING GAY HISTORY PODCAST AND 301 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,440 SHE STATES THE CLOSEST I GOT TO 302 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,040 SOME SENSE OF GAY PEOPLE WITH 303 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:14,320 PERSONALITIES AND REAL LIVES WAS 304 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:15,920 IN ELLIS' BOOK. 305 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,920 IT WAS FULL OF GOOD STUFF 306 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,680 BECAUSE YOU COULD FIND SOMETHING 307 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,360 TO IDENTIFY WITH MOST OF EAST 308 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,160 ELLIS WROTE ABOUT EVEN IF THEY 309 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,080 SOUNDED PECULIAR. 310 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,200 LET ME DISCUSS GETTING GAY 311 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:32,080 MATERIALS IN THE LIBRARIES 312 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,280 VERSUS STARTING WITH WERTHER. 313 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:40,440 I CAME TO WERTHER AS I SAID 314 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:47,320 BECAUSE OF THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF 315 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:57,040 THE ANDROGYNE. 316 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,280 I LOOKED FOR THIS SECOND BOOK IN 317 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,480 THE SERIES. 318 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,720 THE FIRST IS AUTOBIO GRAPHY AND 319 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,720 THE SECOND WAS FEMALE 320 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,160 IMPERSONATORS AND A THOUGHT THE 321 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,480 RESULTS MUST BE IN THE THIRD 322 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,520 BOOK THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT 323 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,120 WERTHER TALKS ABOUT THE RIDDLE 324 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,240 OF THE UNDER WORLD WHERE WERTHER 325 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,720 DESCRIBES VARIOUS THINGS I 326 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:34,240 THOUGHT MIGHT ALSO INCLUDE THIS. 327 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,520 ALONG THE WAY I ENCOUNTERED 328 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,320 SOURCES STATING IT WAS NEVER 329 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,040 PUBLISHED ONLY BECAUSE THEY 330 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,320 NEVER FOUND A COPY. 331 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,880 IT HAD TO HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED OR 332 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,360 HAS TO BE A COPY SOMEWHERE. 333 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,720 I WOULDN'T FIND A COPY BUT IT 334 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:54,640 WAS HARD TO BELIEVE IT WASN'T 335 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,680 AND YOU CAN SEE IN WERTHER'S 336 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,520 SECOND BOOK THEY EVEN SPECIFY 337 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,680 THE WORD LENGTH AND ILLUSTRATION 338 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:06,160 IN THE BOOK. 339 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,400 IN OTHER PLACES HE STATES IT'S 340 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,720 BEEN ELABORATED WITH THE FEMALE 341 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:20,840 IMPERSONATORS AND HOW THEY'RE 342 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,120 TALKING THEIR FOURTH BOOK I 343 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,720 IMAGINE MAYBE A HOUSE FIRE 344 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:41,080 HAPPENED ONE DAY WHILE SEARCHING 345 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,560 THE INTERNET FINDING INFORMATION 346 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,160 ABOUT VICTOR ROBINSON AND FOUND 347 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,200 NATIONAL ARCHIVES IN THE 348 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,480 NATIONAL LIBRARY OF MEDICINE AND 349 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,440 I DON'T KNOW WHY AND I THOUGHT 350 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,080 LET ME SEE WHAT I CAN FIND 351 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,720 ONLINE ABOUT VICTOR ROBINSON'S 352 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,400 ARCHIVES AND STARTED LOOKING 353 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,320 THROUGH THE COLLECTION. 354 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,680 BETWEEN TWO BOOKS -- BETWEEN THE 355 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:15,520 IN-BOX FIVE AGAIN ONE BOOK AND 356 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,000 THE HISTORY OF IDEATION MEDICINE 357 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,520 WAS THE RIDDLE OF THE UNDER 358 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,400 WORLD. 359 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,520 I THOUGHT THIS COULDN'T BE 360 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,880 HOWEVER, SO I REQUESTED IT. 361 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,800 IT WAS UPON REQUEST I FOUND 362 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:33,320 CHAPTERS. 363 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,320 NOT THE WHOLE BOOK IN THE 364 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 COLLECTION AND IT INCLUDED A 365 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,560 BOOK CONTRACT BETWEEN WERTHER 366 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:40,960 AND ROBINSON. 367 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,400 IT HAD BEEN LYING LARGELY 368 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:49,280 UNNOTICED NOT ENTIRELY BUT 369 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,680 LARGELY UNNOTICED IN THE 370 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 COLLECTION OF THE NATIONAL 371 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:57,760 LIBRARY OF MEDICINE. 372 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:58,880 THAT'S LOTS OF DOCUMENTATION 373 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,320 THAT GIVES US EVIDENCE WHY IT 374 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,280 MAY NOT AND WE'LL DISCUSS THE 375 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,120 DIFFICULTIES WITH PUBLISHING AND 376 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:10,400 USE THESE PEOPLE BELL, HERZOG 377 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,040 AND ROBINSON AND COMSTOCK. 378 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,800 WHY DON'T KNOW WHY THE RIDDLE OF 379 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,640 THE UNDER WORLD WASN'T PUBLISHED 380 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,120 WE KNOW ABOUT THE STRUGGLES AND 381 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:27,280 WERTHER STATES I MYSELF HAD TO 382 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,360 BEND THE KNEE FOR 18 YEARS TO 383 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:31,280 MEDICAL PUBLISHERS BECAUSE IT 384 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,400 WAS FED IN THE PRINTING PRESS. 385 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,080 18 YEARS. 386 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,160 WERTHER FURTHER STATES I WORKED 387 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,240 SEVEN HOURS A DAY -- THIS IS FOR 388 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,360 BELL, I WORKED SEVEN DAYS A WEEK 389 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:44,920 FOR A LEGAL JOURNAL BECAUSE 390 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,240 UNDER THAT NAME I CALLED UPON 391 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:54,000 ITS EDITOR TO PERSUADE HIM TO 392 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,800 PUBLISH MY AUTOBIOGRAPHY. 393 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,640 HE WENT TO BELL AND DIDN'T GET 394 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,040 IT PUBLISHED BUT GOT A JOB 395 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:07,680 WORKING WITH WELL -- TO BELL 396 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:14,680 AND BELL DIDN'T PUBLISH AND THIS 397 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:20,840 PICTURE WAS TAKEN BY SCHUFELDT 398 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,280 AND HE LIKED TO BE PHOTOGRAPH AS 399 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,680 STATUE AND IN THE BOOK THE PHOTO 400 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:38,160 CREDIT IS SCHUFELDT AND HE 401 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,600 WRITES ABOUT MEETING WERTHER AND 402 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,000 THIS IS THE TITLE, THE MEDICAL 403 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,920 AND LEGAL CONSIDERATION OF 404 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,120 PERVERTS AND INVERTS. 405 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:50,600 ON THE ARTICLE IN PERVERTS AND 406 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,400 INVERTS SCHUFELDT THOUGHT 407 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,960 WERTHER HAD COMMITTED SUICIDE 408 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,480 BECAUSE THE PERSON CAME TO HIM 409 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:07,600 AS EARL AND HE'S WHAT HE WROTE. 410 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,440 SO SCHUFELD SAYS WHEN HE 411 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,480 APPROACHED HIM HE SAID IT HAD 412 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:24,040 BEEN . -- POIGNANTLY DECLINED TO 413 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,000 THE SALE OF THE WORK OF THAT 414 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:27,280 CHARACTER. 415 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,440 THAT IS THE DANGER ARISING FROM 416 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,960 WHAT THE LAW MIGHT THINK OF IT 417 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,800 AND THE ACTION THE COURTS MIGHT 418 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:38,240 TAKE. 419 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,320 SO IN 1905 SCHUFELD SAYING THIS 420 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,920 IS DANGEROUS, ETCETERA. 421 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,400 HERZOG WHO IS THE PERSON THAT 422 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,400 EVENTUALLY PUBLISHED IT, WHEN 423 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,600 THEY DID PUBLISH IT TALKS ABOUT 424 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,320 THE DIFFICULTY THAT WERTHER HAD 425 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,000 IB NUMEROUS PLACES AND AT THE 426 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,160 INTRODUCTION SAYS I OFFER NO 427 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,440 APOLOGY FOR BRINGING AND SHOWING 428 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,800 HOW ENTHUSIASTIC THEY WERE ABOUT 429 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,880 OFFERING IT AND OFFERED NO 430 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,800 APOLOGY FOR BRINGING THE 431 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,880 AUTOBIOGRAPHY FOR THOSE TO WHOM 432 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,040 THE SALE IS RESTRICT AND 433 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,240 PUBLISHED THE SECOND BOOK AND 434 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,840 SAID THEY'RE DOING THAT OME 435 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,440 BECAUSE 10 PUBLICER -- 436 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,760 PUBLISHERS TURNED IT DOWN FOR 437 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,640 PUBLICATION. 438 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,000 ROBINSON IN THE CONTRACT BETWEEN 439 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,240 WERTHER AND ROBINSON, WHICH I 440 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,000 THINK WERTHER PROBABLY WROTE. 441 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,600 SO WERTHER WROTE THE UNDER WORLD 442 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,800 AUTOBIOGRAPHY AND GIVES THE 443 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,120 CONTRACT TO ROBINSON AND THE 444 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:55,680 CONTRACT SAYS THE RIDDLE OF THE 445 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,720 UNDER WORLD IS TO BE PUBLISHED 446 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,000 WITHOUT THE OMISSION OF CHANGE 447 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,760 OF WORD OR MARK OF PUNCTUATION 448 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,480 OR CAPITALIZATION. 449 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,200 THAT'S WHY I THINK IT WAS 450 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,960 WRITTEN BY WERTHER. 451 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,880 IT'S SO STRICT. 452 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,320 ACCEPTING ANYTHING DR. ROBINSON 453 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,240 WOULD AT MITT SOLELY ON THE 454 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:15,800 GROUNDS THAT IT WOULD CONFLICT 455 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,680 WITH THE LAW AGAINST OBSCENE 456 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:25,400 PUBLICATION. 457 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,400 THEY'RE THEY'RE SAYING I MAY NOT 458 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080 BE PUBLISHED BECAUSE IT COULD BE 459 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,320 OBSCENE AND THERE WAS AN 460 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,880 INTERACTION WITH ANTHONY 461 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,280 COMSTOCK AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE 462 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,400 KNOWS WHO HE IS AND IF NOT 463 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,680 GOOGLE AND HE'S STILL IN THE 464 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,400 NEWS TODAY. 465 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,040 COMSTOCK CREDITED HIMSELF WITH 466 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:54,640 DRIVING 15 PEOPLE TO SUICIDE 467 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,640 BECAUSE OF HIS PROSECUTIONS. 468 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,280 WERTHER STATES IN 1900 AS SOON 469 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,040 AS I HAVE THIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY 470 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480 READY FOR PUBLICATION I 471 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880 SUBMITTED IT TO MR. COMSTOCK TO 472 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:16,240 BE CIRCULATE AND HE WAS AN AN 473 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,440 INSPECTOR WITH PROSECUTING POWER 474 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 FOR SHIPPING. 475 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,560 COMSTOCK SAID I'LL SKIP SOME OF 476 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:29,160 WHAT HE SAYS BUT I'LL PUT ON THE 477 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:35,400 SCREEN WHEN WERTHER WALKS OUT 478 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,200 ROOST HE WRITES WHAT COMSTOCK 479 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,480 SAYS SAYING THE INVERTS ARE NOT 480 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:43,040 FIT TO WORK WITH THE REST OF 481 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:43,520 MANKIND. 482 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,160 THEY OUGHT TO HAVE BRAND ON 483 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,120 THEIR FOREHEADS UNCLEAN AND AS 484 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,040 THE LEPERS OF OLD UNCLEAN AS 485 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,960 THEY GO ABOUT AND INSTEAD OF THE 486 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,680 LAW MAKING 20 YEARS IMPRISONMENT 487 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,520 THEY OUGHT TO BE IMPRISONMENT 488 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,760 FOR LIFE AND THEY ARE ASSAULTED 489 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,680 AND BLACKMAILED? 490 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:16,400 THEY DESERVE TO BE. 491 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,320 YOU CAN SEE AND IN THE DOCUMENT 492 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,440 IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF 493 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,400 MEDICINE QUESTION THE RIDDLE OF 494 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,920 THE UNDER WORLD THE UNPUBLISHED 495 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,520 CHAPTERS. 496 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,600 WERTHER HAS THIS I THOUGHT THIS 497 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,880 WAS FUN DESPITE HAVING INTERACTS 498 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,640 WITH PEOPLE OR PERHAPS BECAUSE 499 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,600 OF INTERACTIONS SAYING IF AFTER 500 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:42,080 MY DEATH OR DURING MY LIFE TIME 501 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,760 I CANNOT EXPECT ATTENTION FROM 502 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,680 THE PUBLIC IF I ATTRACTED 503 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,160 SYMPATHETIC READERS IT WOULD BE 504 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,160 GOOD A GOOD JOKE FOR THEM TO PUT 505 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:58,400 A FIX TO THE FACADE OF THE 506 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,200 POLICE HEADQUARTERS. 507 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,480 THIS IS THE HEADQUARTERS. 508 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,560 IT STILL EXISTS. 509 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,040 IF ANYONE WANTS I WOULD LOVE TO 510 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,920 GO PUT A PLAQUE ON THERE. 511 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,400 IT'S NO LONGER A POLICE 512 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,080 HEADQUARTER IT'S AN ASSOCIATION 513 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,520 AND THERE'S CONDOS FOR SALE 514 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:22,400 RIGHT NOW FOR $7.5 MILLION. 515 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,040 WERTHER HAD A LOT OF 516 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,120 DIFFICULTIES GETTING WHAT THEY 517 00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:31,680 DID PUBLISH, PUBLISHED. 518 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:32,560 ALAN BERNSTEIN WROTE IN 519 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,400 DOCUMENTS I FOUND LATER BUT THE 520 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,200 DOCUMENT IN AND FOCUSSING FOR A 521 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,680 LITTLE WHILE ON THE DOCUMENT IN 522 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,040 THE QUESTION OF THE NATIONAL 523 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,400 LIBRARY OF MEDICINE, MILLIONS IT 524 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,680 WAS TITLED MILLIONS OF QUEERS 525 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,240 ARE HOMO AMERICA. 526 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,280 AND BERNSTEIN STATES HE SENT THE 527 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,200 MILLIONS MANUSCRIPT TO THE ARMY 528 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:57,600 MEDICAL LIBRARY. 529 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,640 AS THE PRECURSOR TO THE NATIONAL 530 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,400 LIBRARY OF MEDICINE IN THE 531 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800 SPRING OF 1941 TWO LETTERS ON 532 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,920 MAY 26, 1943, HE TALKED ABOUT 533 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:11,880 SENDING IT IN 1941. 534 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,520 IN A LETTER TO A FAN, HE 535 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,720 ACTUALLY HAD A FAN WHO READ IT 536 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:24,680 IN THE LIBRARY HE SAID FANS TO 537 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,160 HIM IN THE SPRING OF 1941 WHICH 538 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,480 MEANS IT OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN IN 539 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,400 THE COLLECTION BECAUSE THE FAN 540 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,080 WROTE TO HIM. 541 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,920 FAN HE SAID, LEARNED OF THIS 542 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,800 DOCUMENT FROM MILLIONS OF QUEERS 543 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:39,360 IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY 544 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,400 COLLECTION AND LEARNED OF IT 545 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,680 THROUGH "CONGENIAL ACQUAINTANCES 546 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,160 WORKING IN THE ARMY MEDICAL 547 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,440 LIBRARY." 548 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:55,240 CONGENIAL ACQUAINTANCES WORKING 549 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,520 IN THE ARMY MEDICAL LIBRARY. 550 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,640 IT REFERS TO AN INFORMAL MEDICAL 551 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,640 LIBRARIAN THING GOING ON WHICH 552 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,920 OFTEN KEPT SECRET BIBLIOGRAPHIES 553 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,080 OF QUEER MATERIALS AND MY 554 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 SUSPICION IS THE MANUSCRIPT WAS 555 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:13,440 STOLEN. 556 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600 IT WAS ALSO BERNSTEIN'S 557 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,720 SUSPICION HE SAID IN 1941 WAS 558 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,880 STOLEN AND WROTE TO A FRIEND 559 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,760 SAYING THE ONE COPY I GAVE TO 560 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,280 THE THEN ARMY MEDICAL LIBRARY 561 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,600 VANISHED VIA INTERESTED READER 562 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,320 AND PUTS INTERESTED READER IN 563 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,520 QUOTES. 564 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,000 AND IN IN A LETTER TO THE 565 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,360 MEDICAL LIBRARY ASKED FOR A 566 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,400 REFERENCE NUMBER TO THE 567 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,000 MANUSCRIPT TO TRY TO GET IT INTO 568 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,000 ARMY COURSES. 569 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,360 HE WANTED TO GET INTO CERTAIN 570 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:46,200 COURSES AND SAYING LOOK I WROTE 571 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,200 THIS GREAT DOCUMENT. 572 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,000 HE NEED THE REFERENCE NUMBER TO 573 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,080 GIVE TO HIS SUPERIORS WHICH TO 574 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:59,440 ME IS A WHOLE ANOTHER STORY IS 575 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,280 HE WAS USING HIS ADDRESS IN THE 576 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:03,760 ARMY WHILE DOING THIS. 577 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,120 THE ARMY RESPONDED THEY DIDN'T 578 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,200 HAVE IT. 579 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,560 WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WENT. 580 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,720 THEY SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A 581 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:10,920 COPY. 582 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,760 SO HE SENT A COPY AND AFTER BACK 583 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,160 AND FORTH HE GOT THIS LETTER 584 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:26,440 FROM THE ARMY MEDICAL LIBRARY. 585 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,400 I'LL READ A LITTLE BIT OF THIS. 586 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,400 IN 1944 SAID I'M NATURALLY 587 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,560 DISTURBED TO LEARN YOU NOT ONLY 588 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,280 SENT A PREVIOUS COPY TO THE 589 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,880 LIBRARY BUT RECEIVED AN 590 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,720 ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ON OUR POST CARD 591 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,840 FORM. 592 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,760 IN VIEW OF THE FACT THE ITEM 593 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,040 ESCAPED MY ATTENTION I EXPECT TO 594 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,680 INVESTIGATE THE MISAPPROPRIATION 595 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,160 I'M ABLE AND CAN ONLY ONLY 596 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,800 VENTURE A GUEST AND THE 597 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,280 MANUSCRIPT STRIKES ME AS THE 598 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,200 SORT OF THING WE SHOULD FIND A 599 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,840 PLACE FOR IN THE COLLECTION 600 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,840 REGARDLESS OF THE USE AND IN THE 601 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,720 FUTURE SOMEONE LIKE ME MAY FIND 602 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,080 FUTURE USE. 603 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,800 THAT'S THE GREAT THING ABOUT 604 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,520 ARCHIVES. 605 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,160 WHAT STRIKES ME MOST WITH THE 606 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,040 DOCUMENT IS ALLEN'S USE OF HIS 607 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,400 REAL NAME WHICH WAS UNHEARD OF 608 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,440 AT THE TIME. 609 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,360 WHILE HE USED PSEUDONYMS 610 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:30,640 ELSEWHERE HE DIDN'T WRITING 611 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,440 MILLIONS OF QUEERS ARE HOMO 612 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,680 AMERICA TO THE MEDICAL LIBRARY 613 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,680 FROM THIS ADDRESS IN THE ARMY. 614 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,200 THAT TAKES SOME NERVE. 615 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:50,920 YOU CAN LEARN ABOUT ALLEN 616 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,360 BERNSTEIN AND BUT IT TOOK ME 617 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,280 FOUR YEARS TO FIND OUT THERE WAS 618 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,560 SOMEONE NAMED ALLEN BERNSTEIN 619 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:03,400 WHO HAD WRITTEN A BUNCH OF OTHER 620 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,360 THINGS AND I FOUND THE TITLE 621 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,400 MILLIONS OF QUEERS ARE HOMO 622 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080 AMERICA IN A BOOK THE SURGEON 623 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,560 GENERALS PUT OUT EVERY YEAR IN 624 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,800 1945 THEY PUT OUT THE 625 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:17,760 ACQUISITIONS FOR '44 AND IT'S 626 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,760 LISTED THERE. 627 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,440 I SAW THE TITLE AND THOUGHT IT 628 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,320 HAD TO BE SOMETHING TERRIBLE 629 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:21,960 ABOUT GAY PEOPLE. 630 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,480 IT TURNED OUT TO BE THIS AND 631 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,080 POSITIVE. 632 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,920 THE DOCUMENT IS ONE OF THE 633 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400 EARLIEST KNOWN DEFENSES OF HOMO 634 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960 SEXUALITY IN ENGLISH WITH AN 635 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,160 EARLIER SHORTER DEFENSE, HE 636 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,440 WROTE, I FOUND ONCE I CONTACTED 637 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,960 HIS FAMILY THEY HAD OTHER 638 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,400 MATERIALS. 639 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,520 ANOTHER HE TRIED TO PUBLISH 640 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,120 ENTITLED A PERVERT FIGHTS BACK. 641 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,640 AND HE WROTE AND AT AGE '95 IN 642 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 2008 IT INCLUDED ORGANIZING 643 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,080 ACTIVITIES CLAIMED TO HAVE BEEN 644 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,240 AN EARLY NUMBER OF WHEN GAYS 645 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,800 WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DONATE AND 646 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,160 EVEN SAME-SEX MARRIAGE AFTER. 647 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,360 AND HE WAS LIKE THE FOREST GUMP 648 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,080 AND YOU CAN WRITE ABOUT HIS 649 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880 FIGHT TO HAVE HIS DISHONORABLE 650 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,400 DISCHARGE MADE HONORABLE. 651 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,720 TO MOVE ON TO MY LAST EXAMPLE, 652 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,360 BARBARA GITENS I HOPE SOME 653 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,040 RECOGNIZE THE PICTURE WHEN I PUT 654 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,160 IT UP EARLIER. 655 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:38,560 IT WAS TAKEN BY HER PARTNER. 656 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,880 THE WOMAN ON THE LEFT SHE'S 657 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:50,200 KISSING IS ISABEL IN JUNE 1971. 658 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,040 THIS IS A 1971 CONFERENCE BUT 659 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,080 THEY HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL BOOTH. 660 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,400 THE BOOTH WAS RUN BY THE 661 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,600 AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION'S 662 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,000 SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY 663 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,280 ROUNDTABLES TASK FORCE ON GAY 664 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,560 LIBERATION. 665 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,040 TASK FORCE ON GAY LIBERATION. 666 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,440 I LOVE THAT. 667 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,360 LATER KNOWN AS THE GAY AND 668 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,520 LESBIAN TASK FORCE WHICH IS NOW 669 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,400 KNOWN AS THE RAINBOW ROUNDTABLE. 670 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,520 THE TASK FORCE WAS CREATED IN 671 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,400 1970 BY JANET COOPER ISRAEL 672 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,560 FISHMAN AND THE FIRST TIME GAY 673 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,720 PEOPLE IN ANY PROFESSIONAL 674 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,800 ORGANIZATION HAD COME TOGETHER 675 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:37,760 TO ADVANCE THE PROFESSIONAL AND 676 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,280 THEY WERE EAGER TO CHANGE GAY 677 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,520 ALL RIGHT AND GAY PEOPLE'S LIVED 678 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,320 AND OPEN INFLUENCE LIBRARY 679 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,120 HOLDINGS AND THAT'S A QUOTE FROM 680 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,800 AN OPENLY INFLUENCE LIBRARY 681 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,480 HOLDINGS. 682 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,720 I INCLUDE THE PICTURE BECAUSE TO 683 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,560 ME IT REPRESENTS THE BEFORE AND 684 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,520 AFTER MOMENT FOR GAY AND LESBIAN 685 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,240 CIVIL RIGHTS I HOPE OTHERS START 686 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,760 TO THINK OF IN THAT WAY. 687 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,600 AND MORE SPECIFICALLY BEFORE AND 688 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,000 AFTER FOR GAY LITERATURE AND 689 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,040 FROM AN IMPACT ON LITERATURE 690 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,200 THAT WAS ABOUT TO BE PRODUCED TO 691 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,000 HOW THIS LITERATURE WOULD BE 692 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,200 EXPERIENCED BY FOLLOWING 693 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,840 GENERATIONS IN BOOK STORES AND 694 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960 LIBRARIES. 695 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,280 SEVERAL DAYS AGO I SPOKE WITH 696 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,240 JOHN CUNNINGHAM WHO I HOPE IS ON 697 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,200 AND LISTENING. 698 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,480 HE WAS A CLOSE FRIEND OF 699 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,320 BARBARA'S AND KAY'S AND HE 700 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,440 HIMSELF HAS DONE AMAZING THINGS 701 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,680 WHERE ELSE WITH THE ALA IN THE 702 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,680 1970s AND '80s. 703 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,480 HE SAID I'LL TELL YOU WHY THIS 704 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,720 IS IMPORTANT. 705 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,720 BARBARA HAD READ ABOUT THE TASK 706 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,160 FORCE SOON AFTER IT WAS CREATED, 707 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,840 LIKE MONTHS AFTER IT WAS CREATED 708 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,360 IN 1970 AND IT CLICKED FOR HER. 709 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560 A LIGHT BULK WENT ON BECAUSE SHE 710 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,240 KNEW THEY COULD ACCOMPLISH SO 711 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,160 MUCH BASED ON HER EXPERIENCE AS 712 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,000 A YOUTH AND IN COLLEGE LOOKING 713 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,320 FOR BOOKS IN LIBRARIES SUCH AS 714 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,600 THE EXAMPLE I GAVE WITH HER 715 00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,880 EXPERIENCE WITH ELLIS I POINTED 716 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,440 OUT. 717 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,840 SHE KNEW AS A NON-LIBRARIAN SHE 718 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,000 DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 719 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,240 LOSING HER JOB OR CAREER WHICH 720 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,680 I'LL COME BACK TO. 721 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,840 SHE AND KAY, A PARTNER CAME UP 722 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,760 WITH THE IDEA FOR BOOTH TO GET 723 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,400 PUBLICITY AND BARBARA SAID ABOUT 724 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680 THE HOMOSEXUAL STRATEGY AND 725 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000 KISSING BOOTH AT A LIBRARIAN 726 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,400 CONFERENCE? 727 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,160 A GAY KISSING BOOTH? 728 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,440 WHAT ON EARTH ARE THOSE PEOPLE 729 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,480 UP TO? 730 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,960 THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT SHE WAS 731 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,520 HEARING FROM PEOPLE WHO PASSED 732 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:37,800 BY. 733 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,440 THE TASK FORCE ON GAY LIBERATION 734 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,960 WAS MUCH MORE THAN A KISSING 735 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,480 BOOTH. 736 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,480 I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THE 737 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,720 PODCAST ON MAKING GAY HISTORY 738 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,280 AND LOOKING THEM UP. 739 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,800 BARBARA COLLECTED A LOT OF THIS 740 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,160 STUFF AND IT'S EASY TO FIND 741 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,360 ONLINE. 742 00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,680 FOR EXAMPLE, THE TASK FORCE 743 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,400 ADDRESSED ALL THE CONCERNS THAT 744 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,280 ARE INCLUDED ON THE SLIDE. 745 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,200 THE SLIDE WHICH I TITLED HOW DO 746 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,840 GAY MATERIALS GET IN LIBRARIES. 747 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,800 THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS ALL THE 748 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,320 CONCERNS IN THE PAMPHLET YOU SEE 749 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,200 HERE WHICH I STOLE -- YOU'LL SEE 750 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,120 ON THE BOTTOM IT SAYS HOW TO GET 751 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,680 GAY MATERIALS INTO LIBRARIES I 752 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,680 STOLE THAT TITLE FROM THEM. 753 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,160 THEY ADDRESSED ALL OF THEM OVER 754 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,960 THE FIRST DECADE AND FOR EXAMPLE 755 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,600 INFLUENCED WHAT WAS PRODUCED. 756 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,360 BARBARA BECAME AN INFORMAL MATCH 757 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,680 MAKER BETWEEN PUBLISHERS AND 758 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,040 AUTHORS AND ENCOURAGED A GENRE 759 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,360 AND SIMULTANEOUSLY REDEFINED IT. 760 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,240 YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT 761 00:34:45,240 --> 00:34:51,080 AWARDS DO AND THE SYMBOLISM OF 762 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,280 THEM. 763 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,280 IT'S LEGITIMACY AND REDEFINING 764 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,680 WHAT IT MEANT. 765 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,680 WHEN MATERIALS WEREN'T AVAILABLE 766 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,760 THEY CREATED THEM THEMSELVES AND 767 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,840 A PRIMER CALLED FUN WITH OUR GAY 768 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840 FRIENDS AND DICK AND JANE AND 769 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,000 PLAYMATES MET SAME-SEX COUPLES 770 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,360 AS PART OF THE NATURAL WORLD 771 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,200 AROUND THEM AND JOHN CAN TELL 772 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,200 YOU OTHER PROGRAMS THEY 773 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:20,480 PRODUCED. 774 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,440 THE TASK FORCE INFLUENCE THE 775 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,600 DISTRIBUTION AND ACQUISITION BY 776 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,200 SUPPORTING THE CREATION AND 777 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,800 GROWTH OF GAY AND LESBIAN 778 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,680 SPECIFIC ARCHIVES AN CREATING 779 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:37,200 BIBL -- BIBLIOGRAPHIES TO FIND 780 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,600 BOOKS AND BY 1980 THERE WERE 263 781 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,240 AND ADVISED OTHER ORGANIZATIONS 782 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:51,120 WITH PARENTS OF GAYS AND ADVISED 783 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,360 ORGANIZATIONS AND LAWMAKERS. 784 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,720 THEY ALSO PRODUCED PAMPHLETS 785 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:01,720 LIKE THE ONE SHOWN HERE AND THE 786 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:02,800 TASK FORCE INFLUENCED 787 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,720 CLASSIFICATION AND SHELVING. 788 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:07,520 I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS. 789 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,800 I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME SO I'LL 790 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,240 SKIP SOME OF THIS BUT THEY WERE 791 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,400 CONCERNED WITH HOW MATERIALS 792 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,680 WERE CLASSIFIED. 793 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:24,040 IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND GOT 794 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,880 TIRED OF READING ABOUT HERSELF 795 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,280 AS SEXUAL PERVERSION AND 796 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,520 WONDERING AND LEARNING. 797 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,440 AND AMELIA CRAWFORD WRITES 798 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,640 DESCRIPTION AND WHEN BOOKS ARE 799 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,960 IN A LIBRARY ARE CLASSIFIED AND 800 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,320 SUBJECT DESCRIPTION IS VALUABLE 801 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,320 AND POLITICAL. 802 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,800 SUBJECT HEADINGS CANNY ENFORCE 803 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200 OR SUBVERT HIERARCHIES OF SOCIAL 804 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,680 DOMINATION. 805 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,320 TO CONFRONT THESE CONCERNS THE 806 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,040 ORGANIZATION HAD MANY TALKS. 807 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,680 I'LL MENTION ONE, STEVE WOLF IN 808 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:00,040 1971 AT THE '71 CONFERENCE WHERE 809 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,680 THEY WERE DOING PRESENTING GIVE 810 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,440 A TALK AND IN THAT TALK STATES 811 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,920 THAT THE CURRENT LIBRARY 812 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,720 CLASSIFICATION SUBJECT FITTING 813 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:09,480 SYSTEMS DO NOT REEFFECT THE 814 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,360 CHANGE IN SOCIAL ATTITUDES. 815 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960 15 MILLION GAY MEN AND WOMEN 816 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,680 REFUSED TO BE CALLED SEXUAL 817 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,800 ABERRATION, ETCETERA. 818 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,320 THEN THAT CHANGED AND SAID IT 819 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,000 SHOULD BE GAY. 820 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680 THEY ALSO WORKED WITH PLACES 821 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:36,960 SAYING THE BOOK SHOULDN'T BE 822 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,920 HIDDEN BUT SHOULD BE EQUALLY 823 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:39,840 AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET ON 824 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,040 THE SHELVES. 825 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,560 THEY GAVE A TALK ABOUT SERVING 826 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,520 THE FEARFUL READER AND IF A 827 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,120 READER IS FEARFUL, HOW DO YOU 828 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,760 DEAL WITH THAT AND THIS I WOULD 829 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,680 HAVE LOVED TO HAVE SEEN. 830 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:51,880 . 831 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,800 IN 1976 THEY DID A SKIT ENTITLED 832 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160 NOW YOU SEE IT, NOW YOU DON'T 833 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,680 ABOUT BOOKS GETTING STOLEN FROM 834 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,080 LIBRARIES USUALLY BY FRIENDS, 835 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,240 GAY PEOPLE WHEN WANTED TO HAVE 836 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,680 SOMETHING TO TAKE HOME AND READ 837 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,920 IT AT HOME BUT WERE AFRAID TO 838 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040 READ IT IN THE LIBRARY OR 839 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,080 SOMETHING. 840 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,520 ONCE AGAIN THE FORMATION OF THE 841 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,120 TASK FORCE ON GAY LIBERATION'S 842 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080 ROOTS CAN BE SEEN TODAY IN SUCH 843 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,400 THINGS AS CRITICAL CATALOGING. 844 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,320 I WANT TO THANK MY NEIGHBOR WHO 845 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,200 TURNED ME TON CRITICAL 846 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,480 CATALOGING. 847 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,960 THIS IS ALL THE ROOTS OF THIS 848 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:42,040 STUFF AND I LOVE COMMUNITY 849 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,280 ACTIVITY. 850 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:52,840 LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE PRODUCED A 851 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,360 HOMOSAURUS. 852 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,000 I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH 853 00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,680 TIME BUT THERE'S IMPORTANT 854 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:00,720 THERE'S A BOOK AWARD. 855 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,720 THIS IS A PICTURE OF ISABELLA 856 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,840 MILLER WHO WON THE FIRST BOOK 857 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,200 AWARD AND ISABEL WAS TYPICAL OF 858 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,360 WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE TIME 859 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,120 AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENED OVER 10 860 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,680 YEARS FROM THIS AWARD TO THE 861 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,440 NEXT. 862 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,480 IT WAS HER REAL NAME, HER BIRTH 863 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:20,680 NAME. 864 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,680 IT WAS THE NAME SHE USED FOR HER 865 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,360 OTHER BOOKS THAT WERE NON-QUEER 866 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,040 RELATED WERE ALMA ROOTSONG BORN 867 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,720 IN 1924 AND WENT TO A LIBRARY IN 868 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,760 MICHIGAN AND IT INSPIRED HER. 869 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040 SHE ENDED UP GOING INTO WORLD 870 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,680 WAR II AND GOT MARRIED AND HAD 871 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,040 FOUR CHILDREN AND WROTE SEVERAL 872 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,840 NOVELS AND THEN MET A WOMAN AT 873 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,920 CHURCH AND ENDED UP LEAVING HER 874 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:50,800 HUSBAND AND MOVING TO GREENWICH 875 00:39:50,800 --> 00:40:01,360 VILLAGE AND WROTE A PLACE FOR US 876 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,840 WHICH WAS USING THE WORD LESBIAN 877 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,440 AND HER MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME. 878 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,680 I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS BUT 879 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:21,520 MICHAEL McCONNELL ANDOCK -- AND 880 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,120 JACK BAKER AND McCONNELL GOT 881 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,000 FIRED FROM HIS JOB BECAUSE HE 882 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,000 AND HIS PARTNER APPLIED FOR A 883 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,640 MARRIAGE LICENSE. 884 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,720 HIS EMPLOYER FOUND OUT HE WAS 885 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:34,160 WORKING AS A LIBRARIAN AND GOT 886 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,040 FIRED AND FOUGHT IT AND WON IT 887 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,240 AND THE FIRST CASE WHERE SOMEONE 888 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,160 SUES TO GET THEIR JOB BACK WHEN 889 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,760 THEY WERE FIRED BECAUSE THEY'RE 890 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,840 GAY AND GOT MARRIED AND 891 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,040 CONSIDERED THE FIRST LEGALLY 892 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,800 MARRIED COUPLE IN 1971 AND EVEN 893 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,560 THE AMERICAN LIBRARY ASSOCIATION 894 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,640 DIDN'T SUPPORT HIM IN FIGHTING 895 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:04,280 HIS DISMISSAL FROM BEING FIRED. 896 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,280 I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LOOK THAT 897 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,120 UP AND READ THAT STORY. 898 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,440 IT'S HARD TO TALK ABOUT WERTHER, 899 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,520 DERBSTEIN OR THE TASK FORCE FOR 900 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,400 GAY LIBERATION WITHOUT 901 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:22,040 RECOGNIZING WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 902 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,240 COMSTOCK'S CONVERSATION I WAS 903 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,560 HESITANT TO PUT ON THE SCREEN 904 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,160 BECAUSE IT'S SO HURTFUL WHEN YOU 905 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,000 READ IT, COMSTOCK'S CONVERSATION 906 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,680 WITH WERTHER STILL SEEMS 907 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,280 FAMILIAR. 908 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,520 HERE'S NEWSPAPER HEADLINES. 909 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:52,000 YOU CAN PUT AND -- THERE WERE 910 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,440 CONCERNS OVER VIOLATION AND THEY 911 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,400 WERE TALK ABOUT TRANS GENDER 912 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,440 HISTORY BUT THEIR CONCERN WAS 913 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,720 THE INDIVIDUAL SPEAKING 914 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:13,760 IDENTIFIED AS TWO SPIRIT. 915 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,360 I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO HEAVY AND 916 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,800 THE BAN THE BOOK, THIS BOOK IS 917 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,680 GAY. 918 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:30,200 I WOULD PROBABLY BAN THAT TOO. 919 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,280 A RECENT REPORT FOUND BOOK BANS 920 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,880 REACHED A HIGH IN 2002 WITH MORE 921 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,200 THAN 200 CHALLENGES. 922 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,520 THE DIRECTOR OF THE ALAs OFFICE 923 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,680 FOR INTERNATIONAL FREEDOM SAID 924 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,840 THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN 925 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,280 EXHAUSTING, FRIGHTENING AND 926 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,760 OUTRAGE ENDUCING WITH OVER 2500 927 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,160 BOOKS OBJECTED TO.NDUCING WITH 928 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,400 BOOKS OBJECTED TO.INDUCING WITH 929 00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,880 BOOKS OBJECTED TO. 930 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,240 WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON 931 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:03,440 RIGHT NOW WITH LIBRARIES AND 932 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,720 BOOKS BUT WANTED TO TAKE A 933 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:04,960 MOMENT. 934 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,080 I KNOW I'VE BEEN SPEAKING 935 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,560 QUICKLY BUT I WANTED TO TAKE A 936 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,160 MOMENT TO PUT THE TITLES UP ON 937 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,120 THE SCREEN OF THE BOOKS THAT 938 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,200 I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND LET 939 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,440 YOU THINK ABOUT THEM. 940 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,840 WERTHER WAS TRYING TO PUBLISH AN 941 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,200 AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A TRANSGENDER 942 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,960 PERSON WRITE BOOK CALLED THE 943 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,720 FEMALE IMPERSONATOR MANY PEOPLE 944 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,240 TODAY MAY THINK OF DRAG QUEEN 945 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:34,920 AND WHERE IEDAL OF THE UNDER 946 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,640 WORLD AND MILLIONS OF QUEERS ARE 947 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:44,720 HOMO AMERICA. 948 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,160 AND PRODUCING FUN WITH OUR GAY 949 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,720 FRIENDS AND WHAT SEEMS MORE 950 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,640 RELEVANT THAN EVER, HOW TO GET 951 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,200 GAY MATERIALS INTO LIBRARIES 952 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560 WHEN GAY MATERIALS ARE BEING 953 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,080 TAKEN OUT OF LIBRARIES. 954 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,720 SO AS I SAID, TWO OF THESE 955 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,840 DOCUMENTS ARE IN THE COLLECTION 956 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,720 AT THE NATIONAL LIBRARY OF 957 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:04,800 MEDICINE. 958 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,240 THANKFULLY THEY EXIST THERE AND 959 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,840 THANKFULLY THEY'VE BEEN 960 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,400 PRESERVED. 961 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,440 TODAY, I WANTED TO END ON A NOTE 962 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,600 OF OPTIMISM BEFORE ONE FINAL 963 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,400 THOUGHT. 964 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,040 HERE'S A VALEDICTORIAN IN SIOUX 965 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,400 CITY IN IOWA WHERE LAWS HAVE 966 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,400 BEEN PASSED AND SIOUX CITY CLASS 967 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,400 OF 1990 -- CLASS OF 2023 ENDING 968 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,000 HIS COMMENCEMENT SPEECH LESS 969 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:43,480 THAN TWO WEEKS. 970 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400 >>TODAY I'D LIKE TO HAVE A 971 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:51,680 STORY OF CLASS OF 2023. 972 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,760 A SHARED LOVE OF OUR CLASS. 973 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,840 A STORY OF HOW WE MADE DREAMS 974 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,320 OUR OWN REALITY AND AN ENCOURAGE 975 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,480 EVERYONE TO FIGHT FOR YOUR 976 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,200 DREAMS. 977 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,760 TO FIGHT FOR THE WORLD YOU WANT 978 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:04,000 TO SEE. 979 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,800 LIFE IS WHAT WE MAKE IT AND 980 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,200 WE'RE GOING TO EXCEL. 981 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,400 SO, IN FINAL WORDS, I WOULD LIKE 982 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,680 TO THROW THE FIRST BRICK INTO 983 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040 OUR FUTURE, BREAK THE GLASS 984 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,600 CEILING AND STAND UP FOR THE 985 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,800 RIGHTS OF OTHERS. 986 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,920 I'VE BEEN MEANING TO DO THIS ALL 987 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,200 DAY. 988 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,720 SUPPORT TRANS RIGHTS AND DON'T 989 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:29,040 LET THEM TAKE AWAY OUR LOVE. 990 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,720 DON'T LET THEM BAN THE BOOKS OF 991 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:32,960 THE PEOPLE WE LOVE. 992 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,360 AND DON'T STOP FIGHTING FOR WE 993 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,520 ARE THE CLASS OF 2023 AND NO 994 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,960 MATTER WHAT THEY SAY, WHAT THEY 995 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,520 DO, THEY CANNOT STOP US. 996 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,520 THEY CAN BAN THIS BOOK BUT THEY 997 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:55,000 CANNOT TAKE IT AWAY FROM US. 998 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,440 I LOVE YOU ALL. 999 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,560 SO I WAS TRYING TO NOT LISTEN TO 1000 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,520 IT BECAUSE IT WOULD PROBABLY GET 1001 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,720 ME CHOKED UP. 1002 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:09,240 I KNOW I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A 1003 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,600 TRIGGER WARNING BEFORE THE 1004 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:13,960 PRESENTATION. 1005 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,400 WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE, 1006 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,680 GETTENS, WERTHER, BERNSTEIN I 1007 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:27,560 DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MOST OF IT BUT 1008 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,080 I WANTED TO END WITH THIS. 1009 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,160 FINALLY THROUGH ALL MY RESEARCH, 1010 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,440 I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED WHY ARE GAY 1011 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:35,880 MATERIALS EVER PRODUCED AND 1012 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,880 AVAILABLE FOR DISTRIBUTION FROM 1013 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,240 PERSON TO PERSON IN BOOK STORES 1014 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,440 OR LIBRARIES IN ANY WAY? 1015 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,440 THAT IS WHAT MOTIVATED PEOPLE 1016 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:50,440 LIKE WERTHER, BERNSTEIN AND 1017 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,240 GITENS TO WORK TIRELESSLY 1018 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:53,960 AGAINST ALL ODDS. 1019 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,840 THERE'S A CONGRESS OF LIBRARY 1020 00:46:55,840 --> 00:47:00,320 INTERVIEW WITH HIM TALKING ABOUT 1021 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,480 BEING GAY IN WORLD WAR II. 1022 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,640 I WAS RE-LISTENING TO THAT TWO 1023 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,480 DAYS AGO. 1024 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,720 BERNSTEIN ANSWERED IT FOR ME 1025 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,360 WHEN IN THE RECORDING WITH THE 1026 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,600 CHUCKLE, STUPID PERSISTENCE. 1027 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,600 I JUST WANT TO THANK JOHN 1028 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,200 CUNNINGHAM AND DILLON DANGER AND 1029 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,440 MY FRIENDS AT THE NEW YORK CITY 1030 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,680 LGBTQ COMMUNITY CENTER AND 1031 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,840 NATIONAL HISTORY ARCHIVES FOR 1032 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,680 SUPPORTING ME AND HELPING ME 1033 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,480 WITH THIS. 1034 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,160 THANK YOU. 1035 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,400 TIME FOR QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE 1036 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,800 ANY. 1037 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,120 >>DR. SELL, THANK YOU VERY 1038 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:46,760 MUCH. 1039 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:47,240 FANTASTIC TALK. 1040 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,400 WE APPRECIATE YOU PREPARING IT 1041 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400 AND ALL OF OUR CONVERSATIONS 1042 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:51,720 BEFORE HAND. 1043 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:52,160 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 1044 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,080 WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT 1045 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:59,240 HAVE COME IN AND I'LL REMIND 1046 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:01,440 THOSE WATCHING PLEASE USE THE 1047 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,200 SEND LIVE FEEDBACK BUTTON FOR 1048 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,440 QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR 1049 00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,480 DR. SELL AND I'LL SHARE THOSE 1050 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,080 WITH HIM. 1051 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,080 THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR 1052 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,480 EXPERIENCES AND RESEARCH IN THIS 1053 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,480 WONDERFUL TALK. 1054 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,640 IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF 1055 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,440 BACKLASH WHEN THE ARMY MEDICAL 1056 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,520 LIBRARY INCLUDED MILLIONS OF 1057 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,640 QUEERS ON ITS ACQUISITIONS LIST 1058 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,800 IN 1943? 1059 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:23,800 IF NOT, DO YOU HAVE ANY THEORIES 1060 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,440 AS TO WHY? 1061 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,440 >>I DON'T KNOW OF ANY BACKLASH. 1062 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:35,680 TODAY, IT'S INTERESTING IF 1063 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,080 YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A 1064 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,640 LONG TIME YOU KNOW YOU CAN 1065 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,200 SEARCH ANYTHING ONLINE AND 1066 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,800 THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF AND 1067 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680 GOVERNMENT-FUNDED GRANTS ON GAY 1068 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,720 HEALTH FOR A LONG TIME ANYTIME 1069 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:50,800 ANYTHING WAS PUBLISHED AND 1070 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,120 ORGANIZATION S WOULD SEARCH AND 1071 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,920 SEE CERTAIN WORDS AND THERE'D BE 1072 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,200 BACKLASH AND THE GOVERNMENT FOR 1073 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,680 A LONG TIME WHEN SUBMITTING A 1074 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,400 GRANT WOULD TELL YOU TO USE 1075 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,080 DIFFERENT WORDS. 1076 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,800 WORDS NOT BEING SEARCHED FOR. 1077 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,440 BACK THEN I DON'T THINK PEOPLE 1078 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,240 WERE SEARCHING AND FINDING STUFF 1079 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,960 AS EASILY. 1080 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,000 IF SOMEONE SAW IT -- MOST PEOPLE 1081 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,680 NON-GAY PROBABLY WOULDN'T KNOW 1082 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:19,720 WHAT IT MEANT. 1083 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:21,720 IF THEY DID THEY PROBABLY WOULD 1084 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:22,720 HAVE THOUGHT IT WAS ANYTHING 1085 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:32,880 NEGATIVE. 1086 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,920 THAT'S MY THEORY OF WHY THERE 1087 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,440 WASN'T ANY I SAW THOUGH I EVENT 1088 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:41,840 SEARCHED FOR THAT. 1089 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:43,200 >>SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS REMARKED 1090 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,440 HOW WONDERFUL YOUR TALK WAS AND 1091 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,280 THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING 1092 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:46,920 IT AND ALL THE RESEARCH BEHIND 1093 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,080 IT. 1094 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,240 CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 1095 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,000 HOW ORAL HISTORY AND INTERVIEWS 1096 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:56,920 FACTORED INTO YOUR RESEARCH. 1097 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,320 MENTIONED PEOPLE YOU SPOKE WITH. 1098 00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,040 WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTION THAT 1099 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,640 HAVE COME IN ABOUT THE USING OF 1100 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,720 ORAL HISTORIES IN INTERVIEWS. 1101 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,600 >>ORAL HISTORY IS EXTREMELY 1102 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,400 IMPORTANT. 1103 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,320 ALLEN BERNSTEIN, MOST THEY 1104 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,800 TALKED ABOUT ARE ONES I DIDN'T 1105 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:15,680 DO. 1106 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,800 MARCUS WHO HAS DONE AMAZING 1107 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,480 INTERVIEWS WITH THE EARLY PEOPLE 1108 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,800 INCLUDING BARBARA GETTENS AND 1109 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,480 THE ARMY OF CONGRESS IS JUST 1110 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,840 INTERVIEWING PEOPLE OF WORLD WAR 1111 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,800 II AND SOMEONE NAMED ALLEN 1112 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:34,760 BERNSTEIN WAS INTERVIEWED BY 1113 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,360 CONGRESS AND STARTED LISTENING 1114 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,720 AND I THOUGHT THIS PERSON IS 1115 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:40,440 GAY. 1116 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,200 MAYBE IS THE ALLEN BERNSTEIN I 1117 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,680 WAS LOOKING FOR. 1118 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,160 SO OTHER PEOPLE HAD DONE THEM. 1119 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:51,680 I ACTUALLY TALKED AND MET WITH 1120 00:50:51,680 --> 00:51:00,280 BARBARA AND WISH I HAD TIME TO 1121 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,840 TALK TO PEOPLE AND MY 1122 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,920 CONVERSATION WITH JOHN 1123 00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,120 CUNNINGHAM THIS WEEK SHOULD HAVE 1124 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:05,960 RECORDED. 1125 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,120 I APOLOGIZE TO JOHN FOR NOT. 1126 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,840 I WAS MOSTLY TRYING TO CONFIRM 1127 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,080 WHETHER I WAS GETTING THE STORY 1128 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,520 RIGHT OR NOT AND AS I TALKED TO 1129 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,600 HIM I FOUND OUT ABOUT SO MANY 1130 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,680 OTHER AMAZING THINGS I DIDN'T 1131 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:20,880 KNOW ABOUT. 1132 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,040 ORAL HISTORIES ARE IMPORTANT. 1133 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,400 AND I THANK EVERY HISTORIAN WHO 1134 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,880 HAS COLLECTED THEM AND THERE'S 1135 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960 BEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON 1136 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,960 GAY HISTORY THAT HAVE COLLECTED 1137 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,640 STUFF SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHY 1138 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,080 THIS IS IMPORTANT TODAY BUT MAY 1139 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:33,680 BE IMPORTANT SOME TIME IN THE 1140 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,120 FUTURE. 1141 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,520 >>THANK YOU. 1142 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,400 SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD CALL A 1143 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,040 REFLECTIVE QUESTION. 1144 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,760 WHEN DID YOU REALIZE, DR. SELL, 1145 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:51,680 YOU WERE A PART OF CREATING GAY 1146 00:51:51,680 --> 00:52:01,600 HISTORY? 1147 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,480 >>WHEN PEOPLE STARTED 1148 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,480 INTERVIEWING ME. 1149 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:05,360 GRAD STUDENTS STARTED 1150 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,000 INTERVIEWING ME AND AS A 1151 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,200 RESEARCHER SOMEONE WHO THINK A 1152 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,560 LOT ABOUT RESEARCH, STUDENTS 1153 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:14,880 STARTED COMING TO ME AND A KNOW 1154 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,480 ABOUT HUMAN SUBJECTS AND 1155 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:17,200 PROTECTING HUMAN SUBJECTS AND 1156 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,120 THE IMPORTANCE OF IT AND CAN 1157 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,800 TALK ABOUT AND CAN GIVE TWO-HOUR 1158 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,680 TALK ABOUT HOW GAY PEOPLE THE 1159 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,200 TERRIBLE THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO 1160 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,840 GAY PEOPLE THROUGH RESEARCH SO I 1161 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,800 UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF 1162 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,680 HUMAN SUBJECTS AND BOARDS 1163 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,600 HOWEVER, MOST BOARDS ARE OVER 1164 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,000 PROTECTIVE PEOPLE WOULD COME TO 1165 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,680 SAY I WANT TO INTERVIEW AND 1166 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,320 PROTECT YOUR ANONYMITY. 1167 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,720 NO ONE WILL KNOW IT WILL YOU AND 1168 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:47,560 A SAID NUMEROUS TIMES EVERYONE 1169 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,640 WILL KNOW IT'S ME. 1170 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,160 YOU HAVE TO KNOW THIS IS ME. 1171 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:51,680 THESE ARE MY WORDS. 1172 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:58,760 SO BACK TO YOUR STUPID HUME JUN 1173 00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,400 SUBJECTS COMMITTEE AND TELL THEM 1174 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,560 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THE IN 1175 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,040 THE CLOSET. 1176 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840 THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE INSIGHTS 1177 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,680 I'VE HAD ABOUT RESEARCH. 1178 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,120 AND HOW WE CONDUCT IT AND WHEN 1179 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,080 ARE WE PROTECTING -- I THOUGHT 1180 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,480 WHEN ARE WE PROTECTING SUBJECTS. 1181 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,120 WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT QUEER 1182 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,960 PEOPLE THERE'S A LOT OF 1183 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,480 DOCUMENTS COLLECTED IN WAYS IN 1184 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,200 MEDICAL SETTINGS FOR EXAMPLE AND 1185 00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,120 YOU THINK THIS IS DISCLOSING 1186 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,560 MEDICAL STUFF AND WOULD A PERSON 1187 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,160 60 YEARS LATER WOULD THEY 1188 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,440 APPRECIATE I'M TELLING THEIR 1189 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,960 STORY OR AM I INVADING THEIR 1190 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:38,800 PRIVACY? 1191 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:45,080 THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT ME SO. 1192 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,280 NEXT QUESTION, SORRY. 1193 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,000 SORRY I RAMBLED. 1194 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,560 >>ANOTHER REMEMBER WRITES THANK 1195 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,680 YOU FOR THE IMPORTANT AND 1196 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,360 INFORMATIVE TALK ABOUT AN OFTEN 1197 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,400 TOO OVERLOOKED ASPECT OF OUR 1198 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,080 HISTORY. 1199 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,280 NOTE THE VALUE OF LIBRARY AND 1200 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,720 ARCHIVAL COLLECTIONS AND THE 1201 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,760 PROACTIVE COLLECTION OF 1202 00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:06,840 MATERIALS WITHOUT IMMEDIATE USE 1203 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,680 BASED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF 1204 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:08,680 FUTURE RESEARCH VALUE. 1205 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,440 HOW OFTEN IN YOUR HISTORICAL 1206 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,560 RESEARCH HAVE YOU ENCOUNTERED 1207 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,480 EXAMPLES OF LIBRARIANS AND 1208 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,480 ARCHIVISTS RECOGNIZING THE 1209 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,920 POTENTIAL VALUE IN MATERIALS 1210 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:25,000 THEY MAY FIND PERSONALLY 1211 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:25,320 OBJECTIONABLE? 1212 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,560 >>I WAS ABOUT TO GIVE EXAMPLES. 1213 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,520 I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW THE 1214 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:30,880 IMPORTANCE. 1215 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,680 PEOPLE WERE FIGHTING STUFF 1216 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:44,920 DURING COVID. 1217 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,680 THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW GAY 1218 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,440 PEOPLE EXPERIENCED COVID AND 1219 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,280 STUFF THAT'S OBJECTIONABLE, IT'S 1220 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,480 COLLECTED ALL THE TIME. 1221 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,360 I HOPE IT IS AT LEAST. 1222 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,440 I WENT TO UNIVERSITY OF 1223 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:06,160 PENNSYLVANIA AND STARTED THE 1224 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,960 UNDERGRAD GROUP AND I COLLECTED 1225 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:16,800 SIGNS, LGAP LESBIANS AND GAYS 1226 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,480 ATTEND AND THEY USED OTHER SIGNS 1227 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,520 AND I TORE THEM DOWN. 1228 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:32,520 I REMEMBER SOMEONE SAYING ME YOU 1229 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,920 SHOULD KEEP THIS STUFF. 1230 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,520 I DON'T KNOW WHO THINKS OF THAT 1231 00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,600 BUT I HAVE THE PHONE NUMBERS OF 1232 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:49,280 EVERYONE FROM THE FIRST MEETING. 1233 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,040 OBJECTIONABLE, I HOPE AND KNOW 1234 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,400 AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES I 1235 00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:59,280 SAID QUICKLY BEFORE, THE NEW 1236 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:06,760 YORK CITY LGBT COMMUNITY CENTER 1237 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,320 THEY'RE TRYING TO COLLECT THE 1238 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,920 STORIES OF INDIVIDUALS AND 1239 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,560 ORGANIZATIONS IN NEW YORK CITY 1240 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,480 AND THEY'VE HAD LOTS OF STUFF. 1241 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,000 I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT YOU 1242 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,040 MEANT BY OBJECTIONABLE. 1243 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:17,800 IT CAN MEAN SO MANY THINGS. 1244 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,720 >>CERTAINLY. 1245 00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:23,640 WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE OR TWO MORE 1246 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:23,920 QUESTIONS. 1247 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:24,480 WHAT'S NEXT FOR YOU IN YOUR 1248 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:31,480 RESEARCH? 1249 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,240 WHAT ASPECTS DO YOU EXPECT TO 1250 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:35,280 EXPLORE FURTHER AND DO YOU HAVE 1251 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:44,360 A BOOK IN MIND? 1252 00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,240 I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S NEXT. 1253 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:50,120 I THOUGHT ABOUT PUBLISHING. 1254 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,640 I'M ALWAYS WAITING FOR SOMEONE 1255 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,840 TO WRITE THE BOOK FOR ME TO 1256 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:55,040 READ. 1257 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:55,680 THIS STUFF, AS YOU CAN SEE, I 1258 00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,600 LOVE. 1259 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:01,920 YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE SHELVES 1260 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,600 NEXT TO ME BUT THERE'S A HUGE 1261 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,600 COLLECTION OF STUFF I WOULD LOVE 1262 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,320 TO USE FOR THE PRODUCTION OF THE 1263 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,840 BOOK AND THERE WERE PEOPLE DOING 1264 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:24,760 AS FAR AS IN THE '60s 1265 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,000 PRE-STONEWALL THE SOCIETY FOR 1266 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,040 INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY WERE 1267 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,640 COLLECTING DATA AND A LOVE HOW 1268 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:30,920 THE GAY COMMUNITY WAS DOING 1269 00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,160 RESEARCH ON THEM SELVES AND 1270 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,040 TRYING TO COLLECT INFORMATION 1271 00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,400 TELLING THEIR STORIES RATHER 1272 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:43,680 THAN HAVING STORIES TOLD ABOUT 1273 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,640 THEM. 1274 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,440 THAT'S WHAT FASCINATES ME. 1275 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,960 >>WHAT ASPECTS OF THE STORIES 1276 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,840 YOU HAVE SHARED OR NOT SHARED 1277 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,480 WISH YOU CAN INVESTIGATE? 1278 00:57:54,480 --> 00:58:00,360 ARE THERE ASPECTS OF THE 1279 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,040 STORIES YOU WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS 1280 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,720 MORE ON IN YOUR NEXT RESEARCH 1281 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:13,520 STEPS IF SOURCES ALLOW? 1282 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:14,080 >>I WANT SOMEONE ELSE -- 1283 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:14,720 SOMEONE LISTENING, WHERE'S THE 1284 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:15,320 REST OF THE RIDDLE OF THE UNDER 1285 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:15,840 WORLD, THE FOURTH BOOK. 1286 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:26,360 IF YOU THE FIRST TWO BOOKS THE 1287 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,960 AUTOBIOGRAPHY AND FEMALE 1288 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,680 IMPERSONATORS BOOKS AND THE 1289 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,360 CHAPTERS IN THE NATIONAL LIBRARY 1290 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:44,680 OF MEDICINE. 1291 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,080 THIS PERSON, THIS PERSON WAS 1292 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,720 OFFENSIVE WITH WRITING AND 1293 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,720 PUBLISHING AND GETTING THEIR 1294 00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,360 STUFF PUBLISHED. 1295 00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,560 UNLESS THERE WAS A FIRE OR 1296 00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:56,920 SOMETHING, THIS STUFF HAS TO BE 1297 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,320 LAYING SOMEWHERE. 1298 00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,560 PLEASE FIND IT AND GIVE IT TO ME 1299 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,320 OR JUST SHOW IT TO ME. 1300 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,240 >>FAIR ENOUGH. 1301 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,080 VERY IMPORTANT. 1302 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:10,680 WHEN ANYONE CAN IDENTIFY THINGS 1303 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,880 THAT THEY KNOW ARE HISTORICALLY 1304 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:14,680 SIGNIFICANT OR BELIEVE ARE 1305 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,880 HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR 1306 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,640 THROUGH A CONVERSATION WITH 1307 00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,280 EXPERTS LIKE YOU CAN GLEAN 1308 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,280 THEY'RE HISTORY SIGNIFICANT TO 1309 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,040 BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THOSE THINGS 1310 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,720 IS SO IMPORTANT. 1311 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,080 ONE FINAL QUESTION. 1312 00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,040 AN INDIVIDUAL WRITES THANK YOU 1313 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:29,880 FOR THE TALK. 1314 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,240 I ALWAYS ENJOY HEARING YOUR 1315 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:32,160 PERSPECTIVE AND INSIGHTS. 1316 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,080 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE 1317 00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:40,120 BIGGEST LESSON FROM QUEER 1318 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:40,640 ORGANIZING HISTORY AND 1319 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,680 DOCUMENTING WE CAN HOLD ON TO IN 1320 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:43,920 THESE CURRENT TIMES? 1321 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,280 >>QUEER ORGANIZING HISTORY AND 1322 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,680 DOCUMENTATION? 1323 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:52,800 I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE ANSWER 1324 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,520 TO YOUR QUESTION BUT THIS IS 1325 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,320 WHAT I'LL SAY. 1326 00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,680 IS THAT LIBRARIANS AND LIBRARIES 1327 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,800 HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL AND QUEER 1328 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,840 LIBRARIANS HAVE BEEN INTEGRAL TO 1329 01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,160 THIS PROCESS SINCE THE 1330 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:08,400 BEGINNING. 1331 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,400 YOU CAN READ ABOUT QUEER 1332 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,520 LIBRARIANS FROM THE BEGINNING OF 1333 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:13,400 LIBRARIES. 1334 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,240 AND THE WAY INFORMATION WAS 1335 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,600 PRESERVED AND WHEN PEOPLE WANTED 1336 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,480 SOMETHING REMOVED HOW THEY 1337 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,280 PROTECTED IT. 1338 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,680 AND SO MY FAVORITE PEOPLE IN THE 1339 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,680 WORLD ARE LIBRARIANS. 1340 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,560 AND SECOND IS HISTORIANS. 1341 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,960 I LOVE LIBRARIANS AND ARCHIVISTS 1342 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,280 AND THE WORK THEY DO BUT SO MANY 1343 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,000 OF THEM ARE OPENLY QUEER AND 1344 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:48,240 HAVE BEEN FOR A CENTURY AND I 1345 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,640 DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CONNECTION 1346 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,920 IS BUT IT'S SPECIAL AND I 1347 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:52,920 APPRECIATE IT. 1348 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,920 >>THANK YOU, DR. SELL. 1349 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,520 AND I'LL STATE THE OBVIOUS WHICH 1350 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,520 DESERVES TO BE STATED, WE 1351 01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,600 APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR RESEARCH 1352 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,920 AND YOUR TAKING TIME THIS 1353 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,200 AFTERNOON TO PREPARE AND PRESENT 1354 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,400 THIS TALK AND PERSONALLY AGAIN, 1355 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,680 THANK YOU FOR OUR DIALOGUE IN 1356 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:07,960 ADVANCE. 1357 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,080 IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE GETTING TO 1358 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,920 KNOW YOU AND ON BEHALF OF THE 1359 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,400 NATIONAL LIBRARY OF MEDICINE AND 1360 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,800 EVERYONE WATCHING I WISH YOU THE 1361 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,240 BEST IN YOUR FUTURE WORK AND 1362 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,680 LOOK FORWARD TO KEEPING IN 1363 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:22,880 TOUCH. 1364 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:23,320 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 1365 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:23,640 >>THANK YOU. 1366 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:23,720 1367 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,000 >>FOLLOWING THAT WONDERFUL TALK 1368 01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,440 BY DR. SELL OF DREXEL UNIVERSITY 1369 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,680 IT'S MY PRIVILEGE TO MENTION OUR 1370 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,120 NEXT NLM HISTORY TALK IS GOING 1371 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,720 TO BE HELD ON THURSDAY, 1372 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,320 SEPTEMBER 21st. 1373 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,200 IT'S GOING TO BE THE 7th ANNUAL 1374 01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,280 LECTURE IN THE HISTORY OF 1375 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:43,560 MEDICINE. 1376 01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,760 JOINING US ON SEPTEMBER 21st IS 1377 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,040 DR. KELLY O'DONNELL. 1378 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,240 SHE IS ALSO A 2019 NLM FELLOW 1379 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,960 AND GOING TO BE SPEAKING ON 1380 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,360 MRS. MEDICINE, DOCTOR'S LIVES 1381 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,880 AND THE MAKING OF MODERN 1382 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:04,560 AMERICAN HEALTH CARE. 1383 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,320 UNTIL SEPTEMBER 21, WISHING 1384 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,360 EVERYONE WELL, HEALTHY AND 1385 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,880 PEACEFUL SUMMER AND THANK YOU 1386 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,640 AGAIN FOR TUNING IN TODAY AND 1387 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,560 THANKS AGAIN FROM ALL OF US FOR 1388 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:16,800 A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION THIS 1389 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,080 AFTERNOON. 1390 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:17,360 TAKE CARE. 1391 01:02:17,360 --> 00:00:00,000 BYE EVERYBODY.