1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,320 >>WELCOME TO THE 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,920 2022 SERIES OF 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,120 WOMEN LEADERS IN ANY 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:16,720 RESEARCH, A MONTHLY SERIES 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,680 BROUGHT IN BY THE NIH CENTER 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,640 FOR INTERVENTIONAL 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:26,880 ONCOLOGY. I'M BRAD WOOD ONE 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,880 OF THE HOSTS, 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,480 ALTHOUGH THIS IS HOSTED BY 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,520 THE WHOLE CENTER AND 11 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,800 THE ORGANIZING COMMITTEE. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,120 >> (MULTIPLE AUDIO) 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,920 >> DR. WOOD: 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,000 SERIES HAS RECENTLY BEEN 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:46,280 RENAMED EMPOWERMENT OF 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:46,920 UNDERREPRESNETED RESEARCHERS 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:47,560 TO BE MORE 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 INCLUSIVE OURSELVES FOR THE 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,120 UNDERREPRESENTED 20 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,560 GROUPS EXTENDING BEYOND WOMEN 21 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:51,920 JUST BEYOND 22 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,320 INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGY OR 23 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,360 ONE DISCIPLINE AND 24 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,000 TODAY'S SPEAKER WE ARE SUPER 25 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,120 HAPPY TO HAVE AMY 26 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,160 DEIPOLYI, MD, PHD, WHO WOULD 27 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:00,520 SHARE: 28 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,200 YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU 29 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:01,640 WANT: BUT, WAIT, 30 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:07,720 WHAT DO I EVEN WANT? 31 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,480 --- 32 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:10,440 THIS IS HOPEFULLY A VERY 33 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,800 EXCITING TALK. IT 34 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,960 SOUNDS A LITTLE BIT LIKE 35 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:18,120 A ROLLING STONES SONG TO ME. 36 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,280 MY FATHER USED TO PLAY IT 37 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:22,720 AND PUT ME TO BED 38 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:23,280 WHEN I WAS LITERALLY SIX 39 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:36,600 PLANES A LOT ABOUT ME. 40 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:37,200 YOU CANNOT ALWAYS GET WHAT 41 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,680 YOU TIME. 42 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:41,240 >> HELLO EVERYONE. 43 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,200 THE IDEA IS TO FOSTER AND 44 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:43,640 EMPOWER MENTORSHIP, 45 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,720 ROLE MODELING, INCLUDING TEAM 46 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,840 SCIENCE AND CAREER 47 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:50,440 DEVELOPMENT BY HIGHLIGHTING 48 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,160 SOLUTIONS AT THE 49 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,800 INTERFACE OF SCIENCE INDUSTRY 50 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,840 AND ACADEMIA. 51 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,960 AND WE HONOR AND HIGHLIGHT 52 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:00,240 WOMEN AS 53 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,120 UNDERREPRESENTED LEADERS. 54 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,720 >> DR. WOOD: 55 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:07,320 TO BETTER PRACTICE WHAT WE 56 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,000 PREACH AS A WHITE 57 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,560 MALE, I AM SHARING HOST 58 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,600 DUTIES FROM HERE ON. 59 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:13,160 JOIN ME IN WELCOMING OUR 60 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:17,120 NEWLY APPOINTED 61 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,760 CHAIRWOMAN JOCELYNE RIVERA, 62 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,440 AN NIH -- SCHOLAR 63 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,440 WHO WORKS JOINTLY BETWEEN NIH 64 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,840 AND THE CIO AND 65 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,920 OXFORD. 66 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:32,480 THANK YOU FOR THE FOLKS IN 67 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,240 CIO, MEDICAL RESEARCH 68 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,760 PROGRAM, -- -- AND CLINICAL 69 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:40,160 CENTER TO HAVE 70 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,600 HELPED MAKE THIS SERIOUS 71 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,200 SUCCESSFUL WITH REALLY 72 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:43,760 MANY THOUSANDS OF VIEWERS 73 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,640 LAST YEAR. 74 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:48,240 OUR FIRST YEAR REALLY FAR 75 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:48,640 EXCEEDED OUR OWN 76 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,200 EXPECTATIONS. 77 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:50,840 THANK YOU ALL FOR MAKING THIS 78 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:52,640 A SUCCESSFUL 79 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,320 SERIES. JOCELYNE ALL YOURS. 80 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:57,240 >> THANK YOU FOR THE 81 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,680 INTRODUCTION. 82 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:00,280 I WANT TO MENTION THAT I AM 83 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,040 TRULY HONORED TO BE 84 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,920 HERE AND VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU 85 00:03:02,920 --> 00:03:03,400 FOR PROVIDING ALL 86 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:16,120 OF US EXCEPT SPACE TO TALK 87 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,560 ABOUT THE THINGS 88 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,160 THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T LIKE 89 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,520 TO TALK ABOUT. 90 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,120 I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO THE 91 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:34,320 UPCOMING LECTURES. 92 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:46,360 FEBRUARY 2, MONA FLORES, 93 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:46,960 -- WE WILL START WITH THREE 94 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,640 QUOTES THAT BRAD AND 95 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,440 I FOUND VERY INTERESTING. 96 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,320 SOMETHING THAT SUITS WITH US. 97 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,120 --- 98 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,720 THE FIRST ONE IS FROM RALPH 99 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,440 WALDO EMERSON. HE 100 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,640 SAID, THE ONLY PERSON YOU ARE 101 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,080 DESTINED TO BECOME 102 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:07,680 IS THE PERSON YOU DECIDE TO 103 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:07,880 BE. 104 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,600 --- 105 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:10,200 THE SECOND ONE IS FROM REV. 106 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,880 MARTIN LUTHER KING 107 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,520 JR. WHO SAID THE ULTIMATE 108 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,000 MEASURE OF A MAN OR 109 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,640 WOMAN IS NOT WHERE HE OR SHE 110 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,360 STANDS IN MOMENTS 111 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:18,960 OF COMFORT AND CONVENIENCE 112 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,200 BUT WHERE HE OR SHE 113 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,520 STANDS AT TIMES OF CHALLENGE 114 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:23,960 AND CONTROVERSY. 115 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,600 AND SO WE HAVE A QUOTE FROM A 116 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,680 WOMAN AS WELL, 117 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,560 CHRISTINE CRUZ VERGARA. 118 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,200 SHE SAID TO FOCUS ON 119 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,640 CLARIFYING THE VALUES AND 120 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,160 WHAT LIES MY DECISIONS AND IS 121 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:36,640 ACCORDINGLY, WHILE 122 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:37,160 IT IS QUITE FRANKLY IT 123 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:38,920 FOREVER PRESSES MY POWER 124 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:39,440 AND STRENGTH COMES FROM 125 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,280 KNOWING MYSELF, BEING 126 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:43,240 MYSELF AND NEVER GETTING TO 127 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,840 THE POINT WHERE I 128 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:46,960 HAVE LOST WHO I AM. I THINK 129 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:47,440 THAT IS MY FAVORITE 130 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,640 ONE. 131 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:48,640 --- 132 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,120 SO THE LECTURE TITLE FOR 133 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,960 TODAY'S SERIES IS, YOU 134 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:55,560 CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU 135 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,040 WANT: BUT, WAIT, WHAT 136 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,400 DO I EVEN WANT? 137 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,320 THAT IS A HUGE QUESTION AND I 138 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,120 AM LOOKING FORWARD 139 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,840 TO HEARING DR. DEIPOLYI. 140 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,600 QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION WILL 141 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,720 BE AFTER THE 142 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,360 LECTURE SO DON'T HESITATE TO 143 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:12,840 PARTICIPATE AND WE 144 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:14,240 WILL CHECK THE CHAT AS WELL 145 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:14,640 AND ARE SPEAKER 146 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,760 TODAY IS AMY DEIPOLYI, 147 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,920 ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR AND 148 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,480 DIRECTOR OF INTERVENTION 149 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,920 RADIOLOGY AT WEST 150 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,440 VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY IN 151 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,160 CHARLESTON AND TRAINED AT 152 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,160 MGH AND WAS ATTENDING -- AT 153 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,440 NYU MEMORIAL 154 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,080 SLOAN-KETTERING CANCER CENTER 155 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:31,360 BEFORE 156 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,720 TRANSITIONING TO WVU. 157 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,320 --- 158 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:39,840 SHE IS PASSIONATE ABOUT 159 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:40,320 WOMEN'S HEALTH AND 160 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:41,800 INCLUSIVE BODY AND 161 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,920 PRESENTATION OF IMMINENT 162 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:44,400 RADIOLOGY AND OTHER 163 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,840 MALE-DOMINATED MEDICAL 164 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:47,360 PROFESSIONS AND SHE HAS 165 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,840 PURSUED THIS MISSION TO 166 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:49,440 RESEARCH, CLINICAL WORK AND 167 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:55,640 MENTORSHIP OF 168 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:56,080 ASPIRING PHYSICIAN 169 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:56,640 SCIENTISTS; OVER THE LAST 170 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,320 FIVE YEARS AT NUMBER 171 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:58,840 SLOAN-KETTERING CANCER 172 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,080 CENTER SHE SPECIALIZED IN 173 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,360 TREATING METHODS FOR 174 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:04,840 BREAST CANCER WHICH 175 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:06,800 PREDOMINANTLY IMPACT WOMEN 176 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,120 IN CONDUCTING RESEARCH ON 177 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,360 IMMUNOLOGY IMPACT OF 178 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,680 -- BREAST CANCER LIVER 179 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,040 METASTASIS. SHE HAS ALSO 180 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,560 RESEARCHED CANCER BIAS 181 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,120 INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGY 182 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,720 AND FOUND THAT DESPITE WOMEN 183 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:22,200 DELIVERING THE SAME 184 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:22,720 QUALITY AND QUANTITY OF 185 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,800 CLINICAL CARE, THEY ARE 186 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,520 UNDERREPRESENTED IN INDUSTRY 187 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,600 PAYMENTS AND UNDER 188 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:29,160 IDENTIFIED AS KEY OPINION 189 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,160 LEADERS IN THE FIELD. 190 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:33,720 VERY INTERESTING AND I AM 191 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:34,640 GOING TO PASS IT NOT 192 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,840 TO ANNA. 193 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:37,440 SHE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE 194 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,600 LECTURE SYNOPSIS. 195 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:44,720 >> ANNA: THANK YOU JOCELYNE. 196 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,280 I WILL READ THE SYNOPSIS 197 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:45,840 BEFORE HEADING OVER TO 198 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:48,760 DR. DEIPOLYI. 199 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:49,320 BEING A WOMAN IN MEDICINE 200 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:50,760 INVOLVES CHALLENGES 201 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,840 AND MANY OF THE CHALLENGES 202 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:53,400 ARE AMPLIFIED IN 203 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,480 INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGY. 204 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,080 AFTER SPENDING YEARS DOING 205 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:57,600 CLINICAL RESEARCH, I 206 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,560 HAVE SHIFTED FOCUS 207 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,080 TO ADMINISTRATIVE AND 208 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:01,520 PRACTICE BUILDING 209 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,840 ACTIVITIES. 210 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:06,440 I WILL TALK ABOUT HOW PLANNED 211 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:06,840 AND UNEXPECTED 212 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:08,760 LIFE EVENTS SHAKE MY CAREER 213 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,160 PATH, SHAPE MY 214 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,640 PRIORITIES AND ALTERED 215 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:10,240 WHAT I DEFINE A SUCCESS AND 216 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:11,440 REFRAMEWHAT I 217 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,400 BELIEVE YIELDS HAPPINESS. 218 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:14,960 WE'LL DISCUSS HOW MENTORS 219 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,040 HAVE SHAPED 220 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:17,640 MY DECISIONS AND HELP ME 221 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:18,120 IDENTIFY AND OVERCOME 222 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,680 BARRIERS. 223 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,120 NO MENTOR IS PERFECT AND EVEN 224 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:21,560 WELL-MEANING ONES 225 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,440 CAN GIVE BAD ADVICE, BUT EVEN 226 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:24,320 THAT ADVICE CAN BE 227 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,480 HELPFUL. SO NOW DR. DEIPOLYI, 228 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:27,840 YOU CAN BEGIN 229 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:34,280 WHENEVER. 230 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:34,920 >> THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AND 231 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,680 I AM SO HONORED TO 232 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,360 BE HERE SPEAKING YOU TODAY 233 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:39,280 LAST YEAR. 234 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,520 THANK YOU TO DR. WOOD OUR NEW 235 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,920 HOST AND IT IS 236 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:55,720 WONDERFUL TO SEE YOU GUYS. 237 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,120 I HAVE BEEN AN INTERVENTIONAL 238 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:57,480 RADIOLOGY FOR 239 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,920 SEVEN YEARS OF PRACTICE AND 240 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,320 HAD THE GREAT 241 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:00,920 FORTUNE AT THE LIVING IN SOME 242 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,400 OF THE MOST AMAZING 243 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:02,320 CITIES ON THE PLANET, NEW 244 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:03,240 YORK CITY, SAN 245 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,080 FRANCISCO, BOSTON. 246 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,920 I RECENTLY SHIFTED GEARS AND 247 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,520 TOOK A NEW POSITION 248 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:13,960 IN WEST VIRGINIA 249 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:14,480 I THINK FOR MOST OF MY 250 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,600 FRIENDS AND FAMILY 251 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,240 AND COLLEAGUES IT WAS KIND OF 252 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,800 A BIG SHOCK 253 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,520 TO GO FROM THE CITY ATMOSPHERE 254 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,120 AND SWITCH OVER TO A PLACE 255 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,920 WHERE I KNEW NO ONE, 256 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:26,440 AND I KIND OF FOUND HIS 257 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,040 BOUNDLESS NATURAL BEAUTY 258 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,720 AND 259 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:29,280 MOUNTAIN BUT NOT A SINGLE 260 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 APPLE STORE. PERHAPS 261 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,400 SOME PEOPLE WOULD 262 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,040 CHARACTERIZE IT AS A MIDLIFE 263 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,080 CRISIS, 264 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,240 AND FOR SOME PEOPLE 265 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:36,840 YOU KNOW AND MIDLIFE CRISIS 266 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:45,560 MEANS YOU 267 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:46,200 GET DIVORCED AND BUY A FANCY 268 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:46,640 SPORTS CAR AND FOR 269 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:47,280 ME I MOVED TO THE SUBURBS AND 270 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:47,840 BOUGHT A PRIUS. 271 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:48,560 --- 272 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,400 WE LOOK AT HOW I GOT HERE 273 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:53,840 STEP-BY-STEP 274 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:54,520 MAYBE IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE 275 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,000 TO YOU GUYS. TO 276 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:56,600 THINK ABOUT HOW IT ENDED UP 277 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,280 WHERE I AM NOW, I 278 00:08:58,280 --> 00:08:58,800 HAVE TO GO BACK TO MY 279 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,040 UNDERGRADUATE YEARS 280 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:01,640 WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME WHEN 281 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,440 I REALLY WAS PHASED 282 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:04,720 WITH A DECISION ABOUT WHAT I 283 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:05,160 WAS GOING TO DO, 284 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,080 WHAT I WAS GOING TO MAJOR IN. 285 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,440 GROWING UP I WAS ALWAYS A 286 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,440 HUGE NERD. 287 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,600 I WAS GOOD AT MATH AND 288 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,120 SCIENCE; I COMPETED IN 289 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,200 MATH CONTESTS. 290 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:17,800 THESE DAYS I CAN HARDLY DO 291 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:18,280 ARITHMETIC BUT BACK 292 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:18,840 THEN I WAS LIKE A MATH 293 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:24,960 GENIUS. 294 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:26,920 THIS WAS ME ON A PHYSICS 295 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,160 TEAM, ME AND A BUNCH OF 296 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:37,920 DUDES. BEING A NERD, 297 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:38,560 I CANNOT IMAGINE SENDING OFF 298 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:38,960 MY DAUGHTER TO 299 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,600 DETERMINE LIKE THIS BUT THOSE 300 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:39,960 WERE THE GOOD 301 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,080 TIMES AND I WAS DOING MATH 302 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:41,720 AND SCIENCE AND WHEN THINKING 303 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:42,200 IN COLLEGE ON WHAT 304 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:42,840 I WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON, 305 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:44,960 HAVING FAMILY MEDICINE, I 306 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,960 LIKE SCIENCE SO MAYBE 307 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:49,520 THINK ABOUT BEING A DOCTOR, 308 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,000 MAYBE DO SOMETHING 309 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:50,440 IN SCIENCE. 310 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,440 --- 311 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,720 EARLY ON I TOOK THIS AMAZING 312 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,840 CLASS THAT 313 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,160 BASICALLY HAD AN ENGLISH 314 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:58,960 PROFESSOR 315 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,720 AND A PSYCHOLOGY PROFESSOR. 316 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,040 IT WAS THIS 317 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,600 MULTIDISCIPLINARY CLASS 318 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:14,840 LOOKING AT THE FREUDIAN 319 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:15,240 PSYCHOANALYSIS OF 320 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,640 SHAKESPEAREAN DRAMA, IT WAS 321 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:16,840 SO 322 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,040 COOL. 323 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,520 LOOKING AT WHAT MOTIVATES 324 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:24,000 PEOPLE TO BEHAVE 325 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,480 THE WAY THEY DO HUMAN 326 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,080 BEHAVIOR IS SO FASCINATING 327 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:25,640 AND WONDERING TO ME AND I 328 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:26,120 DECIDED I WOULD DO 329 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,480 THAT. 330 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,240 --- 331 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,160 THE TIME I WAS AT HARVARD 332 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,640 UNIVERSITY. 333 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:29,680 THEY HAVE THIS PROGRAM CALLED 334 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,200 MIND, BRAIND AND 335 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,200 BEHAVIOR. 336 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:35,840 YOU GOT TO CHOOSE HOW YOU GOT 337 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,160 INVESTIGATE 338 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,360 NEUROSCIENCE TONIGHT 339 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,880 CHOSE TO TRACK COGNI YOU 340 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:43,400 ASSIGNED TO MAJOR IN 341 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,840 PSYCHOLOGY AND A MINOR IN 342 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:47,360 BIOLOGY AND SATISFY 343 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,000 MY PRIMARY REQUIREMENT WHICH 344 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:48,560 WAS PERFECT AND I 345 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:49,160 JOINED HIS PRIMARY RESEARCH 346 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,360 LAB. WE HAD THESE 347 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:53,960 TAMERINS IN CAPTIVITY AND 348 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,440 THESE ARE THE SIZE OF 349 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,480 A BIG NEW YORK CITY RAT. 350 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,960 I BUILT THIS FAKE JUNGLE IN 351 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,040 THE LAB AND THEY 352 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:03,040 WOULD RUN AROUND AND I WOULD 353 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,200 TEST THEIR SPATIAL 354 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:06,840 KNOWLEDGE AND WORKING WITH 355 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,240 MINI MARSHMALLOWS 356 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,240 AND HAD TO CAPTURE THEM BACK 357 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:08,680 AND PUT THEM BACK 358 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:09,240 IN THEIR HOUSING. 359 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,560 GOD KNOWS WHAT KIND OF USEFUL 360 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:12,200 KNOWLEDGE CAN BE GAINED FROM 361 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:12,640 SUCH AN ENDEAVOR 362 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,240 BUT I MANAGED TO GET A 363 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,800 PUBLICATION OR TWO IN MY 364 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:18,600 COLLEGE THESIS FROM THIS. 365 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,000 --- 366 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,640 AND THEN OF COURSE AFTER THIS 367 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,160 GREAT EXPERIENCE, 368 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,360 COMES THE END OF COLLEGE AND 369 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,800 AGAIN IT WAS LIKE 370 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,360 OH GOD I ACTUALLY HAVE TO 371 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:30,840 MAKE UP MY MIND ABOUT 372 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:31,480 SOMETHING. I MIGHT AS WELL BE 373 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,120 A DOCTOR. 374 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,000 IT'S A GOOD CAREER. IT IS 375 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,360 STABLE. 376 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,160 I CAN HELP PEOPLE. 377 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:38,760 SO I WENT ABOUT SOLICITING 378 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,160 SOME LETTERS OF 379 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,280 RECOMMENDATION. AND THAT 380 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,440 BRINGS US TO ONE OF MY 381 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:43,000 FIRST, MOST IMPORTANT 382 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,080 MENTORS, DR. SIMONS, PROF. 383 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,640 SIMONS. 384 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,840 HE LED THIS UNDERGRADUATE 385 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:52,360 CLASS THAT LOOKED AT 386 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,760 ATTENTION. 387 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,720 THIS IS A SIDEBAR. I DON'T 388 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,160 KNOW HOW MANY SAW 389 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,640 THIS ON TV. THERE WAS AN 390 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,400 EXPERIMENT THAT WE RAN 391 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:02,040 WHERE THERE WAS A WHITE TEAM 392 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,440 AND A BLACK TEAM 393 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,760 AND THEY WOULD PASS THE 394 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:07,280 BASKETBALL, EACH TEAM 395 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,240 WOULD PASS THE BALL AMONG 396 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:14,560 THEMSELVES AND THE 397 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:15,160 TASK WOULD BE TO WATCH THE 398 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,200 VISION COUNT HOW 399 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:17,840 MANY PASSES ONE OF THE TEAMS 400 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,440 MADE OVER A MINUTE. 401 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:19,040 HALFWAY THROUGH THE VIDEO A 402 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:19,480 PERSON DRESSED IN A 403 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:28,240 GORILLA SUIT 404 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:28,840 WALKS THROUGH THE VIDEO AND 405 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,320 FEWER THAN HALF OF 406 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,160 THE SUBJECT NOTICE THE 407 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:30,680 GORILLA WALKING THROUGH 408 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:31,320 WHICH IS COOL BECAUSE IT SAYS 409 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:31,800 SOMETHING ABOUT 410 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:32,440 SELECTIVE ATTENTION AND THAT 411 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:32,880 IS HOW HE BUILT HIS 412 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:33,440 CAREER. WE RECORDED THIS 413 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:33,960 MOVIE IN THE BUILDING 414 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,600 UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THIS 415 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,720 IS ME, FACED AWAY 416 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,320 FROM THE CAMERA AND I WILL 417 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:36,960 TELL YOU THAT 418 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,040 HARVARD STUDENTS ARE VERY -- 419 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:39,440 WELL THERE VERY 420 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,400 UN-ATHLETIC -- IT TOOK A LOT 421 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,280 OF HOURS TO FILM 422 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,840 THIS BECAUSE 423 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,440 THEY KEPT HITTING EACH OTHER 424 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:50,680 WITH THE BALLS. 425 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:51,320 WE DID THIS EXPERIMENT WHICH 426 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,000 WAS VERY COOL. 427 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,400 AND SO WE WOULD TRICK ALL 428 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:56,840 KINDS OF UNWITTING 429 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,560 SUBJECTS 430 00:12:58,560 --> 00:12:59,040 INTO HAVING SELECTIVE 431 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:00,040 ATTENTION AND IT WAS 432 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,480 INTERESTING. 433 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:02,240 --- 434 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:07,120 ANYWAY I WENT UP TO HIM. 435 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:07,680 HE HAD BEEN ON THE THESIS 436 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:08,240 COMMITTEE AND I ASKING 437 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:08,640 FOR A LETTER OF 438 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:09,240 RECOMMENDATION FOR MEDICAL 439 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:09,840 SCHOOL. HE SAID TO ME, THAT 440 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,120 IS REALLY TOO BAD. 441 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,120 I AM DISAPPOINTED. YOU HAVE 442 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:17,760 SUCH A GOOD MIND FOR SCIENCE 443 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,520 I HOPED YOU WENT TO 444 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:22,160 GRAD SCHOOL AND THIS IS A BIG 445 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:22,640 DISAPPOINTMENT FOR 446 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,120 ME. 447 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,320 SO THIS WAS POSITIVE 448 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,440 REINFORCEMENT, IT WAS 449 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:29,080 WONDERFUL, OR MAYBE HE OPENED 450 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:29,520 MY EYES TO IT TO 451 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,280 REALIZING HOW I DID LIKE 452 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,080 SCIENCE. YEAH, MAYBE I 453 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,800 SHOULD JUST SCIENCE TOO, REAL 454 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:36,240 SCIENCE NOT JUST 455 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,840 BEING A DOCTOR. 456 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,960 AND I STARTED LOOKING INTO IT. 457 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,000 --- 458 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,080 I DISCOVERED THAT THERE WERE 459 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,480 COMBINED PROGRAMS, 460 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,120 MD/PHD PROGRAMS FUNDED BY TAX 461 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:46,560 DOLLARS THAT YOU 462 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:47,280 COULD GO 463 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,360 AND GET YOUR PHD 464 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,040 AND DO YOUR MD AND HE DID NOT 465 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:53,600 HAVE ANY DEBT AND 466 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,240 DELAYING IMPORTANT DECISIONS 467 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:02,440 TO LATER AND DO 468 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,040 SCIENCE. AND SO I APPLIED TO 469 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:03,440 THAT. 470 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:04,800 --- 471 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:12,120 HE COULD HAVE SAID SURE, 472 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:12,760 I WILL WRITE YOU A LETTER AND 473 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,640 I WOULD'VE GONE TO 474 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,240 MED SCHOOL AND STAYED IN THE 475 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:14,640 NORTHEAST IN MY 476 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,240 WHOLE LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN 477 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:15,880 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. 478 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,600 I LIKE TO CALLING THIS THE 479 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,440 BUTTERFLY EFFECT THEORY OF 480 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,280 MENTORSHIP, WHERE EVEN 481 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:20,880 THE SMALLEST THING A MENTOR 482 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,560 CAN DO CAN RESULT IN 483 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:23,200 BIG LIFELONG CONSEQUENCES FOR 484 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,240 THE MENTEE. 485 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:26,840 LIKE A FLAP OF A BUTTERFLY 486 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,320 WING CAN RESULT IN A 487 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,840 TORNADO STORM IN ANOTHER PART 488 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:29,360 OF THE WORLD. 489 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,240 --- 490 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:32,800 MAYBE LIKE I DON'T KNOW 491 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:36,120 DRIVE-BY MENTORSHIP OR 492 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,400 SOMETHING. REGARDLESS HE MADE 493 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:38,960 A REALLY BIG IMPACT ON ME 494 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,360 JUST WITH THIS COMMENT 495 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:42,960 AND ENCOURAGEMENT ABOUT ME 496 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,600 BEING A SCIENTIST. 497 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:45,200 THEN I STARTED GOING ON THE 498 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:45,640 INTERVIEW TRAIL. I 499 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,840 TRACED IT TO THE POINT AT 500 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,160 WHICH THE BIRTH OF THE 501 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,000 CONCEPT -- 502 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,480 THE CONCEPT OF BEING A 503 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,760 PHYSICIAN SCIENTIST. 504 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:00,400 I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE WOULD 505 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,120 EXPECT THE COLLEGE 506 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:02,720 STUDENT TO HAVE ANY CONCEPT 507 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,560 OF ANYTHING, 508 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:07,160 BUT AT LEAST THE NARRATIVE 509 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,160 THAT I WOULD TELL ON 510 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:08,800 THE INTERVIEW TRAILS IS THAT 511 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:09,240 I'M GOING TO 512 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,840 HAVE A DISCOVERY GIVEN TO THE 513 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,160 PATIENT, LIKE DR. 514 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,360 HOUSE OR SOMETHING. I WANT TO 515 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:16,760 DO SCIENCE LIKE 516 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,320 THE REAL THING 517 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:19,880 OF DISCOVERY AND DIRECTLY 518 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,400 IMPACT THE PEOPLE ON 519 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:21,080 THE FLOOR. THAT NARRATIVE 520 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,080 LANDED ME A SPOT IS SAN 521 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:26,640 FRANCISCO THE UNIVERSITY 522 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,440 OF CALIFORNIA SAN FRANCISCO 523 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:27,880 WHICH IS A GREAT 524 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,360 MEDICAL SCHOOL AND THEY 525 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:30,120 HAPPEN TO HAVE LIKE THE 526 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,520 TOP NEUROSCIENCE GRADUATE 527 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,040 PROGRAM AT THE TIME SO 528 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:33,880 IT WAS A PERFECT MATCH FOR MY 529 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,920 NEUROSCIENCE 530 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:35,800 INTEREST AND BACKGROUND. 531 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:37,640 --- 532 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,240 AND THIS WAS MY YEAR IN THE 533 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:42,640 MSTP, MEDICAL 534 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,440 SCIENTIST TRAINING PROGRAM 535 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:46,880 JUST ME AND A BUNCH 536 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,320 OF DUDES. IT DID NOT STRIKE 537 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:49,840 ME AS STRANGE AT THE 538 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:50,440 TIME I DID NOT NOTICE HOW 539 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:55,040 WEIRD IT WAS. 540 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:55,640 EVERY YEAR THAT WOULD BE 541 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:56,960 MAYBE ONE WOMAN OR 542 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,600 ZERO. I DON'T HAVE PICTURES 543 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,320 FROM THAT TIME, 544 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,920 WAY BEFORE THE IPHONE SO I 545 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:01,400 PULLED THE PICTURES 546 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,120 FROM THE INTERNET NOW. WE 547 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,840 LOOKED YOUNGER THEN. 548 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,320 --- 549 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:06,920 MEDICAL SCHOOL WAS SORT OF 550 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:07,440 LIKE A GOOD TIME. THE 551 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,040 FIRST TWO YEARS WAS LIKE 552 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:15,240 ANIMAL HOUSE, MEETING 553 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:15,800 ALL THESE PEOPLE AND IT'S 554 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,080 FUN. YOU HAVE TO SHOW 555 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:18,920 UP AND STUDY AND WORK ON A 556 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,400 LONG AS YOU DO THAT 557 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:20,840 IT WAS GOOD 558 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,440 BUT THEN THERE WAS A RUDE 559 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,640 AWAKENING 560 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,360 WHEN AFTER TWO YEARS YOU DO 561 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:25,760 YOUR PHD 562 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:26,320 AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO 563 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,640 START MAKING DECISIONS 564 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:28,240 AGAIN. APPARENTLY THAT WAS 565 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:28,680 DIFFICULT FOR ME. 566 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:29,640 --- 567 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:35,320 AND SO, AS IT TURNED OUT, THE 568 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,040 UCSF NEUROSCIENCE 569 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,440 PROGRAM 570 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:39,000 WAS PHENOMENAL BUT IT WAS 571 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,280 VERY MUCH BASIC 572 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:40,880 SCIENCE. SO THE CHOICES OF 573 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,920 WHAT SORT OF STUDIES 574 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,040 YOU COULD DO WERE LIMITED 575 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,480 TO BASICALLY 576 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:55,440 CELL CULTURE, 577 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:56,040 COMPUTATIONAL ON YOU COULD 578 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,520 WORK WITH ANIMALS BUT 579 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:57,080 IT WOULD BE LIKE PUTTING 580 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:57,520 ELECTRODES IN THE 581 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:58,160 BRAINS NOT BUILDING JUNGLES 582 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:58,840 FOR MONKEYS AND 583 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,280 REWARDING THEM WITH 584 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:00,960 MARSHMALLOWS. 585 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 --- 586 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:04,600 JOSLIN WAS MY CLOSEST FRIEND 587 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:05,600 AT THE TIME AND WE 588 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:06,160 BOTH WANTED TO DO 589 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,240 COGNITIVE NEUROSCIENCE 590 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:07,840 WE DID NOT HAVE A WAY TO DO 591 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,240 IT THERE. WE 592 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,240 IDENTIFIED THIS CENTER WITHIN 593 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,800 UCSF CALL THE 594 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:16,440 MEMORY AND AGING CENTER WHICH 595 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:16,760 IS IN THE 596 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,640 DEPARTMENT OF NEUROLOGY, THE 597 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,000 PI OF THAT CENTER 598 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,320 DR. MILLER WAS 599 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,120 FAMOUS FOR STUDYING FRONTAL 600 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:27,280 TEMPORAL DEMENTIA, 601 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:27,920 AND THEY DID MRI AND IMAGING 602 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,080 WORK ON THOSE 603 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,120 PATIENTS 604 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:31,760 AND WE REALLY WANTED TO WORK 605 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,240 WITH HIM BUT HE WAS 606 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,640 NOT IN THE GRADUATE PROGRAM 607 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,080 OFFICIALLY. WE MET 608 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,400 WITH ONE OF THE LEADERS OF 609 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,520 THE MSTP AND WE 610 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,000 ASKED, COULD YOU 611 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:42,480 GIVE HIM AN HONORARY 612 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,080 MEMBERSHIP IN YOUR GRADUATE 613 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,240 PROGRAM WHICH 614 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:44,840 OFFENDED HIM FOR SOME REASON 615 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,280 AND HE BASICALLY 616 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,840 SAID 617 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,440 WE WERE NOT REALLY SCIENTISTS 618 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:50,840 AND WE SHOULD 619 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,760 LEAVE THE PROGRAM AND GO TO 620 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,240 MEDICAL SCHOOL AND 621 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:53,840 GET ON WITH OUR LIVES. AND HE 622 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,320 ACTUALLY CALLED US 623 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:54,960 BACK TO APOLOGIZE FOR HAVING 624 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:55,440 SAID THAT BUT STILL 625 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:55,880 NOT VERY HELPFUL. 626 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,560 --- 627 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:57,960 IN THE END WE ENDED UP 628 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,720 CARTING AROUND PATH WHERE 629 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,280 WE WORK IN THE MEMORY AND 630 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,000 AGING CENTER WITH DR. 631 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,920 MILLER DOING THESE 632 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,200 EXPERIMENTS ON HUMAN 633 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,520 SUBJECTS. BUT WE ALSO HAD TO 634 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:09,920 BE IN A PROPER 635 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,040 SCIENTIFIC LAB. 636 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:14,440 FOR ME THAT WAS IN AN 637 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,000 ALZHEIMER'S RESEARCH LAB 638 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:22,120 THAT HAD A -- MOUSE MODEL. 639 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:22,720 FOR SOME REASON I AM REALLY 640 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,320 INTERESTED IN 641 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:24,960 SPATIAL KNOWLEDGE AND I BUILT 642 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,160 THESE MAZES THAT 643 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,960 MICE HAD TO SWIM AND CHOPPED 644 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:29,440 UP THEIR BRAINS AND 645 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,680 LOOK AT HOW DISEASE 646 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:31,240 PATTERNS IN THE BRAINS 647 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:31,680 CORRELATED WITH THE 648 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,040 DEFICITS 649 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,800 AND IN HUMANS AND RECRUITED 650 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:36,240 THEM. UP WITH THEM 651 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,840 IN WHEELCHAIRS AND WHEELED 652 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:37,440 THEM AROUND THE 653 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,480 NEUROLOGY CLINIC. AND THEN 654 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:40,920 AFTERWARDS TESTED 655 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:42,600 ASPECTS OF THEIR MEMORY FOR 656 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,000 THE ROUTE AND 657 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,560 CORRELATED THEIR DEFICITS 658 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,080 WITH ATROPHY ON 659 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,040 STRUCTURAL BRAIN IMAGING. 660 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,800 AND AGAIN THIS WAS NOT 661 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:53,280 GROUNDBREAKING, NOBEL 662 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:53,840 PRIZE WINNING WORK BY ANY 663 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:54,240 MEANS. 664 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,240 --- 665 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,880 WE KNEW THAT THE HIPPOCAMPUS 666 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,360 WAS SUPER IMPORTANT 667 00:18:58,360 --> 00:18:59,960 FOR SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE AND 668 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,160 MENU THAT ALZHEIMER'S 669 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,480 IMPACT HIPPOCAMPUS BUT I 670 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:05,960 MANAGED TO GET TWO 671 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:06,520 PAPERS OUT OF THAT AND I 672 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,040 SWEAR TO GOD FINISHING 673 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:07,680 GRAD SCHOOL WAS THE HAPPIEST 674 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:08,080 DAY OF MY WHOLE 675 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,640 LIFE BECAUSE IT WAS A SLOG TO 676 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,120 FIND THIS PATH AND 677 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:11,920 GET THROUGH ESPECIALLY THE 678 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:12,440 MOUSE WORK BUT I DID 679 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:12,640 IT. 680 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,200 --- 681 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,120 AND I HAD PHENOMENAL 682 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:17,640 MENTORSHIPS DURING THIS 683 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:23,840 TIME. 684 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,560 I DID GET WHAT I 685 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,200 CONSIDER BAD ADVICE FROM ONE 686 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,400 OF MY MENTORS WHO 687 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,040 TOLD ME THAT HE THOUGHT 688 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,640 THAT THE BEST WAY FOR ME TO 689 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,040 BE AS A FEMALE 690 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,440 SCIENTIST, TO BE MORE LIKE 691 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,840 CYNTHIA KENYON. SHE 692 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,400 IS A BRILLIANT SCIENTIST, 693 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,960 AWARD-WINNING 694 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:40,520 SCIENTIST. SHE DISCOVERED 695 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:47,720 THAT IF YOU STARVE AN 696 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,360 ANIMAL, LIKE IF YOU ONLY FEED 697 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:48,840 A WORM EVERY OTHER 698 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,240 DAY IT LIVES TWICE AS LONG. 699 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:50,840 SHE TRIED THEM HERSELF AND 700 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,920 LOST 60 LBS. SHE WAS 701 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,640 AN AMAZING SCIENTIST. I THINK 702 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:57,680 SHE'S 200 YEARS 703 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,520 NOW, KIDDING. 704 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,440 SHE HAD A HIGH-PITCHED, 705 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,640 CALIFORNIA VIBE. LIKE 706 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,000 DITZY BLONDE. 707 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:10,520 BUT THEN SHE WOULD SAY 708 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,240 SOMETHING INSIGHTFUL. 709 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:13,840 I GUESS IN HIS VIEW IT WAS 710 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:14,320 FAR BETTER THAN BEING 711 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,440 DIRECT AND FORWARD. IT WAS 712 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:18,880 MUCH BETTER TO BE LIKE 713 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,840 A GENIUS IN DISGUISE 714 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,560 IF YOU WERE A WOMAN BECAUSE 715 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,040 OTHERWISE IT WAS NO 716 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:24,560 WAY TO SURVIVE IN THIS 717 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,040 PROFESSION I GUESS. 718 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:36,200 --- 719 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:36,840 EVEN IF I WANTED TO PRETEND 720 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:37,240 TO BE DIFFERENT I 721 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,240 DON'T THINK THAT WAS GOING TO 722 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:38,680 BE FEASIBLE. 723 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,120 I THINK I WORE MY HEART ON MY 724 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:42,600 SLEEVE AND I THINK 725 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:43,080 HE WAS WRONG. 726 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,240 --- 727 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:47,880 YOU MAY BE AWARE OF THE STUDY 728 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:48,280 THAT LOOKED AT 729 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,840 SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. EVEN 730 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,240 THE WOMEN SUPREME 731 00:20:50,240 --> 00:21:01,240 COURT JUSTICES SPEAK LESS OF 732 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:01,680 THE TIME THEY ARE 733 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:02,320 INTERRUPTED TWICE AS MUCH AS 734 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:02,640 THEIR MALE 735 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:03,840 COUNTERPARTS. 736 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,160 THERE ARE PSYCHOLOGY 737 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,680 EXPERIMENTS THAT SHOW THAT 738 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,240 SUBJECT PREFER WOMEN IN 739 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:09,200 LEADERSHIP POSITIONS TO 740 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:09,720 HAVE DEEPER VOICES ARE 741 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,600 SPEAKING IN THIS HIGH 742 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,040 PITCH, DITZY THING, IS NOT AN 743 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,920 EFFECTIVE STRATEGY 744 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,520 IN IF YOU WANTED TO PRETEND 745 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:16,960 TO BE LIKE THAT. 746 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:18,840 --- 747 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,000 I HAD ALSO AN AMAZING THESIS 748 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:20,440 COMMITTEE CHAIR, 749 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:28,760 DR. JENNIFER LAVAIL. SHE WAS 750 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,240 5'2", 751 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:31,840 AND SHE HAD A NATURALLY 752 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,360 HIGH-PITCHED VOICE AND 753 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:33,000 SHE STRUGGLED TO BE HEARD IN 754 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,040 THE 755 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,600 FIELD AND HER ADVICE WAS 756 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,440 BEFORE YOU GIVE TALKS 757 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:37,840 GET ANGRY. 758 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,720 GOING TO THE BATHROOM. GET 759 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,720 YOURSELF REVVED UP, 760 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:48,000 OR RUN UP AND DOWN THE 761 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,560 STAIRS. NOT EXACTLY SURE 762 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,760 BUT FOR HER IT WAS HARD TO BE 763 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,120 HEARD. 764 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:50,720 SO GETTING UP THE ENERGY TO 765 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,840 BE HEARD. 766 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,240 --- 767 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,840 I THINK THESE POINTS SPEAK TO 768 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,920 THIS, I GUESS 769 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,080 STEREOTYPE THAT MANY WOMEN 770 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,520 STRUGGLE WITH IN 771 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:03,040 MALE-DOMINATED FIELDS. 772 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,640 THERE'S TWO THINGS YOU 773 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,240 CAN BE: YOU CAN EITHER BE 774 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:12,280 LIKE THIS AGGRESSIVE, 775 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:12,880 CONFIDENT WOMAN WHOM PEOPLE 776 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,000 DO NOT LIKE THAT IS 777 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,640 EFFECTIVE. OR YOU CAN BE THE 778 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,040 REALLY SWEET, 779 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,240 MATERNAL HONEY, A PUSHOVER 780 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,360 ALL THE TIME. 781 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,000 TO BE HONEST IF I WERE GIVEN 782 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,080 THE CHOICE AND HAD 783 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,440 TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TWO I 784 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:30,600 WOULD TAKE GREEN 785 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,160 BITCH OVER SUGAR MAGNOLIA 786 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,680 EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK. 787 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,080 ALL I CAN BE AS MYSELF, 788 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,240 LIKE KURT COBAIN SAID, WANTED 789 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:39,720 TO BE SOMEONE ELSE 790 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,360 IS A WASTE OF THE PERSON YOU 791 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:40,560 ARE. 792 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,560 --- 793 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,160 AT THE END OF THE DAY WOULD 794 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,160 WORK FOR ME IS THAT 795 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:46,720 EVEN IF I COME ACROSS AS 796 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,000 BEING AGGRESSIVE, AS 797 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,600 LONG AS I AM ADVOCATING FOR 798 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,160 SOMETHING THAT IS 799 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:49,680 JUST AND RIGHT, THAT IS 800 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,240 PROBABLY JUST THE WAY TO 801 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:50,600 GO. 802 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,480 --- 803 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:54,120 ANYWAY SO ONE DAY WHEN I WAS 804 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:58,600 DOING MY HUMAN 805 00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,200 EXPERIMENTS IN THE MEMORY 806 00:22:59,200 --> 00:22:59,680 AND AGING CENTER WITH 807 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,280 ONE OF THESE PATIENTS IN A 808 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:00,720 WHEELCHAIR I WAS 809 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,240 NAVIGATING THROUGH THE 810 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:01,680 HALLWAY, 811 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,280 AND IT WAS REALLY HARD TO 812 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:05,840 RECRUIT HUMAN SUBJECTS 813 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,280 AS IT IS FOR EVERY 814 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,120 EXPERIMENT. 815 00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:10,680 ANYWAY I AM GOING IN THE 816 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:16,040 HALLWAY AND THESE 817 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,640 LADIES, THE SECRETARIES IN 818 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,200 THE NEUROSURGERY 819 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,160 DEPARTMENT SAID YOU CANNOT 820 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,600 COME THROUGH HERE 821 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,240 THEY WERE HAVING A MEETING IN 822 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:32,400 HALLWAY. 823 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:33,040 NO YOU CANNOT COME. THAT WAS 824 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,200 A BIG WASTE OF THE 825 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:34,600 SUBJECT. 826 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,760 AND THEN I SAW THIS GUY DR. 827 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:45,400 ANDREW PARSA, AN 828 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,040 ASSISTANT PROFESSOR AT UCSF 829 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,440 AND HE WAS VERY 830 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,120 SUCCESSFUL, 831 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:50,760 AT A FULL CLINICAL SCHEDULE 832 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:51,200 AND WAS PUNISHING 833 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:51,800 PAPERS ON TUMOR VACCINES HE 834 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,800 WAS AMAZING. 835 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:55,400 I DECIDED TO GO IN TALK TO 836 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:55,840 HIM SO I INTRODUCED 837 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,560 MYSELF AND HOW I TAKE THE 838 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:58,960 PATIENT'S ON A 839 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,920 WHEELCHAIR AND CAN I HAVE 840 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,520 PERMISSION TO DO IT. 841 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,200 AND SPEAKING WITH ME HE SAID 842 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,600 YEAH YOU CAN DO 843 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,240 THAT BY NOW YOU HAVE TO BE ON 844 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:03,960 TEAM PARSA. 845 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:05,000 --- 846 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:10,000 SO HE HAD TEAM PARSA, A GROUP 847 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,400 OF TRAINEES 848 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,000 RESIDENTS, MEDICAL STUDENTS 849 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:14,480 WHOM HE MENTORED AND 850 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,720 WE WERE CONTINUALLY WRITING 851 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,200 PAPERS LIKE A CHILD 852 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,960 LABOR PAPER FACTORY. 853 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,880 IF YOU ARE ON TEAM PARSA YOU 854 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,240 ARE NOT JUST 855 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:28,440 WORKING WITH DR. PARSA. YOU 856 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:28,880 ARE GOING TO THANKS 857 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,520 GIVING DINNERS, YOU ARE PART 858 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,040 OF HIS LIFE. HE HAS 859 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,960 A WIFE, CHARLOTTE WHO IS AN 860 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,440 ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON 861 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,040 AND THEY HAVE THREE KIDS. I 862 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,680 ACTUALLY LIVED WITH 863 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,240 THEM FOR A FEW MONTHS AT THE 864 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,720 END AFTER MY LEASE 865 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,640 WAS UP BEFORE I LEFT SAN 866 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,200 FRANCISCO. AND ONLY WAS 867 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:43,840 HE A PROFESSIONAL MENTOR BUT 868 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,320 ALSO CARED ABOUT US 869 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,080 AS PEOPLE. 870 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,160 HE COINED 360-DEGREE 871 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,640 MENTORING, AND I WILL 872 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,160 ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM FOR THAT. 873 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,360 HE DEEPLY CARED ABOUT US 874 00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:57,000 NOT JUST FOR THE WORK WE WERE 875 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,440 DOING BUT FOR THE 876 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,040 PEOPLE THAT WE WERE. 877 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,240 --- 878 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,480 AND SO I OF COURSE REACHED 879 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:01,920 THE POINT WHERE I 880 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,520 UNFORTUNATELY HAD TO START 881 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,040 MAKING BIG DECISIONS 882 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280 AGAIN. 883 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,840 THAT IS ONE THING IT WAS 884 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,960 GOING TO SPECIALIZE IN; 885 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,560 I AM BACK IN MED SCHOOL AND 886 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,040 YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP 887 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,640 YOUR MIND AND FOR ME LOVING 888 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,160 THE BRAIN IT WAS 889 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,800 LIKE A LIMITED NUMBER OF 890 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,440 THINGS: NEUROSURGERY 891 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:21,280 LIKE DR. PARSA, NEUROLOGY, 892 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:21,760 IMAGING, RADIOLOGY 893 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,440 AND PSYCHIATRY AND FOR ME I 894 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,200 WAS LEANING TOWARDS 895 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,760 PSYCH OR RADIOLOGY PEOPLE 896 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,000 WERE SAYING THAT IS 897 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,880 WEIRD. YOU USE SPECIALIST 898 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,440 TECHNIQUES TO LOOK AT 899 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,480 PEOPLE WITHOUT A PHYSICAL 900 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:38,960 EXAM WHICH IS FINE 901 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,600 BECAUSE I'M A BIT OF A GERM 902 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:40,000 PHOBE. 903 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,440 DR. PARSA SAID, YOU NEED TO 904 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,640 GO INTO 905 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,040 NEUROSURGERY, THE FIELD TO BE 906 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,360 IN. 907 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,000 I DON'T KNOW I'M STAYING WITH 908 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,640 YOU GUYS IN I SEE 909 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,400 YOU WORK EVERY SINGLE HOUR OF 910 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,040 EVERY DAY. 911 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,400 HE WAS A POWERHOUSE. HE WAS 912 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,280 RECRUITED THAT 45 913 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,200 YEARS OLD TO BE THE CHAIRMAN 914 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:01,640 OF NEUROSURGERY AT 915 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,840 NORTHWESTERN, SERIOUS. DR. 916 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,360 PARSA, I DON'T THINK 917 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:08,200 I CAN DO THE LIFESTYLE. TOO 918 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:08,640 MUCH. I DON'T THINK 919 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,680 I WOULD BE HAPPY. HE SAID 920 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,800 NEVER SAY THAT AGAIN 921 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,560 WHEN YOU GO ON YOUR 922 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,480 NEUROSURGERY RESIDENCY 923 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,440 INTERVIEWS DO NOT BRING IT UP 924 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:17,880 FOR SURE. IT'S OUR 925 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,520 SECRET THAT YOU EVER THOUGHT 926 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,840 THAT. OKAY. I THINK 927 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,840 I GREATLY DISAPPOINTED HIM 928 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:23,240 WHEN I ENDED UP 929 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,040 APPLYING RADIOLOGY BUT I 930 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,760 DECIDED LIKE LOOK, I 931 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:30,320 CAN DO NEURORADIOLOGY AND 932 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,520 THEN FRMI AND STUDY 933 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,280 HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND HOW THE 934 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,480 SCHOOL THING, THE 935 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,680 THING I WANT TO DO. 936 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,240 --- 937 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:41,880 I WAS BACK ON THE ROAD ON THE 938 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:42,280 INTERVIEW TRAIL 939 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:42,840 AND TALKING ON DIFFERENT 940 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,080 PROGRAMS ABOUT THIS 941 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,760 NARRATIVE ABOUT THE PHYSICIAN 942 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,760 SCIENTIST. I WILL 943 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,640 BE THREE DAYS IN THE WAITING 944 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:51,080 ROOM AND THEN IN 945 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,440 THE LAB READING MRIS AND THIS 946 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:54,880 IS THE WAY I NEED 947 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,200 TO GET THERE SO THE PATH IS 948 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,640 SHAPING UP AND I 949 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,240 ENDED UP MATCHING AT MASS 950 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,160 GENERAL, BACK IN 951 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,720 BOSTON. 952 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,040 --- 953 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:04,920 I HAD SORT OF A RUDE 954 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,040 AWAKENING. 955 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,040 I WAS BACK IN THE READING 956 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840 ROOM, AND AS IT TURNED 957 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,680 OUT, I WILL SAY THAT 958 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,760 RADIOLOGY IS PROBABLY THE 959 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,400 SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT MEDICAL 960 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,840 FIELD BECAUSE WE 961 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,160 ARE DIAGNOSING THINGS WITH 962 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,560 IMAGES. IT'S SO 963 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:27,000 IMPACTFUL FOR PATIENTS. I 964 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,480 WILL SAY THAT. 965 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,240 --- 966 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,640 FOR ME PERSONALLY THE IN A 967 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,120 DARK ROOM AND NOT 968 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:38,760 INTERACTING WITH PATIENTS WAS 969 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,000 CRUSHING. I 970 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,680 REMEMBER WALKING ONE DAY 971 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,240 OUTSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL 972 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:44,760 AND OVERHEARD A SURGEON 973 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,200 TALKING ABOUT THE 974 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,360 PEDIATRIC SURGICAL PATIENTS 975 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,680 INS AND OUTS. I WAS 976 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,360 SO JEALOUS. 977 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,640 LOOK AT HIM! WHAT AM I DOING? 978 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,240 I DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE 979 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:55,920 READING ROOM ANYMORE. 980 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,520 IT WAS A STRUGGLE. 981 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,120 I REMEMBER I HAD ONE OF MY 982 00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:59,640 CLOSEST FRIENDS IN 983 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,200 RESIDENCY -- I THINK HE'S ON 984 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,960 TODAY -- USED TO 985 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,800 SAY WHAT ARE WE DOING? SHOULD 986 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:08,240 WE LEAVE AND APPLY 987 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,040 FOR A SURGERY RESIDENCY? 988 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800 DID WE MAKE THE WRONG MOVE? 989 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,360 LUCKILY FOR BOTH OF US WE 990 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,320 ROTATED ON OUR IR 991 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,040 ROTATION AND THAT SAVED US IN 992 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,840 RADIOLOGY. 993 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,200 THAT IS WHEN I MET ONE OF MY 994 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,040 MOST IMPORTANT 995 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:30,360 MENTORS IN MY CAREER, RAHMI 996 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:30,880 OKAU, HE WAS 997 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,760 ATTENDING AT MDH, A LOT LIKE 998 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,760 DR. PARSA, PUBLISH, 999 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,000 PUBLISH, PUBLISH. PUBLISH OR 1000 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,400 PERISH. 1001 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,040 IF YOU'RE NOT WRITING PERISH 1002 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,760 YOU BASICALLY DIE. 1003 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200 GOING THE OR AND WRITE 1004 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:47,840 PAPERS. 1005 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:50,200 --- 1006 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,120 I TOOK HIS ADVICE AND HAD TWO 1007 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,360 YEARS WHERE HE WAS 1008 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,160 MENTORING ME, ONE OF THE MOST 1009 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:54,520 PRODUCTIVE IN 1010 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,600 TERMS OF WRITING. WE WROTE, 1011 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,080 WROTE PAPERS. 1012 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:01,640 THESE WERE A HANDFUL OF 1013 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,160 PAPERS BECAUSE I AM NOT 1014 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,920 EVEN INCLUDING ALL OF OURS 1015 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,320 ARE THE ONES I 1016 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,400 PUBLISH WITH OTHER PEOPLE. 1017 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,120 IT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE 1018 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:09,640 TIME. AND I TOOK SOME 1019 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,040 ADVICE AND WENT INTO IR. 1020 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,320 --- 1021 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,840 THERE ARE SO FEW PICTURES 1022 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,360 FROM BACK THEN BECAUSE 1023 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,000 WE DID NOT HAVE IPHONES, ME 1024 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320 AND THE DUDES AGAIN. 1025 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,360 I GOT USED TO IT. 1026 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,000 I'M SURE YOU RECOGNIZE A LOT 1027 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,680 OF PEOPLE HERE. 1028 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,680 IT WAS FUN. 1029 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,440 IT WAS A GOOD TIME. 1030 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480 --- 1031 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,760 AND AT THE END OF THAT I WAS 1032 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560 SORT OF LIKE ON THE 1033 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,440 PATH OF ACADEMIC IR. 1034 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,120 I REMEMBER IN THE LAST DAY 1035 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,600 OF MY FELLOWSHIP I 1036 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,640 GOT SOME ADVICE FROM PETER 1037 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,040 MUELLER, A VERY 1038 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,000 IMPORTANT MENTOR FOR ME. AT 1039 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:55,440 THIS POINT I HAVE 1040 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,600 KNOWN HIM FOR FIVE YEARS. HE 1041 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,040 IS INCREDIBLE AND I 1042 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,400 AM PROUD TO BE MUELLER 1043 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840 TRAINED. 1044 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,440 ONE THINK YOU SAID THAT I 1045 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,080 WOULDN'T FORGET IS 1046 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,800 THAT DOING CASES IS LIKE 1047 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:06,240 PLAYING SPORTS. YOU 1048 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,680 HAVE TO GO IN THERE WITH FULL 1049 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,160 CONFIDENCE EVEN IF 1050 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,040 IT IS A COMPLICATED THING YOU 1051 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,440 HAVE NEVER DONE 1052 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:11,880 BEFORE. 1053 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,440 YOU GO IN AND SAY I GOT THIS, 1054 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,600 AND YOU DO IT. 1055 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,200 I TRY TO DO THAT IN MY CASE 1056 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,000 IS AS MUCH AS 1057 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,640 POSSIBLE, TO HAVE A POSITIVE 1058 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:18,880 OUTLOOK. 1059 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,360 --- 1060 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,960 THE OTHER THING HE TOLD ME 1061 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:22,440 RIGHT BEFORE I LEFT 1062 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:22,960 IS THAT I NEEDED TO GET 1063 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,440 MARRIED AS SOON AS 1064 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,880 POSSIBLE. 1065 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,880 I INCLUDE THIS LINE FROM HIM 1066 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,920 BECAUSE I THINK IN 1067 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:34,360 TODAY'S CLIMATE, WE'VE GONE A 1068 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,240 LITTLE BIT 1069 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,840 OVERBOARD. IT'S DIFFICULT 1070 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:38,280 BECAUSE THERE ARE 1071 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:38,880 STILL PROBLEMS OF EXCLUSION 1072 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,280 AND CHAUVINISM, 1073 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,840 ETC., ETC. BUT THERE ARE 1074 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:43,360 ACTUALLY THINGS THAT WE 1075 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,240 SHOULD TALK ABOUT 1076 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,840 AND THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE 1077 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,240 TO TALK ABOUT AND 1078 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:48,880 MENTOR SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK 1079 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,240 ABOUT WITH THEIR 1080 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,720 MENTEES WITHOUT BEING 1081 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,240 POLITICALLY CORRECT OR 1082 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,000 SOMETHING. 1083 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 I KNEW HIM FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 1084 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,440 AND ALSO HE WAS RIGHT, HE WAS 1085 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:07,200 CORRECT. 1086 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,240 --- I HAD DATED MANY MEN, 1087 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,960 SURGEONS, LAWYERS, 1088 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,040 UNEMPLOYED MEN, HAD NOT WORK 1089 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,440 FOR ME AND I'M 1090 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,640 APPROACHING 35 FINISHING UP 1091 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,040 MY FELLOWSHIP AND 1092 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040 THE FACT IS THAT BY 35 THE 1093 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,440 VAST MAJORITY OF 1094 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,120 PEOPLE ARE MARRIED EVEN 1095 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,400 DOCTORS. 1096 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,640 MOST MEN ARE MARRIED AND LESS 1097 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520 THAN HALF OF WOMEN 1098 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,040 ARE MARRIED. I FELT LIKE I 1099 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200 WAS LEFT ON THE TRAIN 1100 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,640 STATION'S PLATFORM. WHERE DID 1101 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,000 EVERYBODY GO? 1102 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,640 --- 1103 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,240 AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE 1104 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,040 CAREER GOALS AND 1105 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,680 PERSONAL GOALS AND WE HAVE TO 1106 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,080 FIGURE A WAY TO 1107 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,320 MAKE IT WORK TOGETHER 1108 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,960 AND NOT JUST COMPLETELY FOCUS 1109 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,400 ON THE CAREER AT 1110 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,760 THE EXPENSE OF OTHER THINGS. 1111 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,680 SO LUCKY FOR ME, AT 1112 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,440 THE TIME THERE WERE ONLY TWO 1113 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680 ACADEMIC IR 1114 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,000 POSITIONS IN THE US THAT 1115 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,520 YEAR. IT WAS A TERRIBLE 1116 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,880 JOB MARKET. AWFUL. 1117 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,520 AND I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET 1118 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:04,920 THE ONE IN NEW 1119 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,520 YORK CITY, AT NYU, A DREAM 1120 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920 JOB. PROBLEM SOLVED. 1121 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960 MILLIONS OF SINGLE MEN, I 1122 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,320 WILL FIND ONE THERE. 1123 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,760 --- 1124 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,080 I STARTED MY JOB AT NYU AND 1125 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,480 THIS IS WHERE I MET 1126 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,440 DR. HEARNS CHARLES, ONE OF 1127 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,360 THE MOST AMAZING 1128 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,920 MENTORS I HAD. DR. CHARLES IS 1129 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,080 ONE OF THOSE IRS 1130 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,440 WITH TRULY GIFTED HANDS THAT 1131 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,880 COULD DO ANYTHING 1132 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,400 IN ANY BLOOD VESSEL. AND HE 1133 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,360 WAS REALLY 1134 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,840 INCREDIBLE. I WOULD LIKE RUN 1135 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,320 EVERY CASE BY HAND 1136 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,280 BEFORE HAND, COMPLEX CASES; 1137 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:41,800 OVER HALF THE TIME I 1138 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,120 WOULD HAVE TO SCRUB AND 1139 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,120 DOUBLE SCRUB. 1140 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,200 HE WAS ALWAYS IN MY CASES, SO 1141 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,640 MUCH SO THAT THE 1142 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,120 LEAD TECH IS TO SAY THAT I 1143 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,720 WAS LIKE A BABY AT 1144 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,480 THE TEAT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS 1145 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:56,960 A LITTLE OFFENSIVE 1146 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,480 BUT IT WAS KIND OF TRUE. 1147 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,400 --- 1148 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,160 IN ANY CASE I HAD A TERRIBLE 1149 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,560 EXPERIENCE VERY 1150 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,040 EARLY ON IN MY ATTENDINGHOOD. 1151 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,480 I WAS TRYING TO DO 1152 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440 A BILIARY DRAINAGE, A LITTLE 1153 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,040 WAYS INTO THE CASE 1154 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,720 RECOGNIZED THAT I CAUSED THE 1155 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,960 BLEED WITH THE 1156 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,080 NEEDLE AND I CONVERTED TO AN 1157 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:16,520 ANGIOGRAM AND DID 1158 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640 AN AMBOLIZATION, STRUGGLING 1159 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,040 TO GET THE CASE 1160 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,600 DONE. DR. CHARLES WAS LISTED 1161 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,040 AS ON VACATION BUT 1162 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,280 HE WAS THE KIND OF PERSON 1163 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,040 THAT WOULD STAY EVERY DAY 1164 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:29,080 UNTIL ALL THE CASES WERE 1165 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:29,640 DONE; THAT IS THE KIND 1166 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,600 OF LEADER HE WAS. I CALLED 1167 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,080 HIM AND IN 10 MINUTES 1168 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,640 HE HELPED ME FINISH THE CASE. 1169 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,240 THE PATIENT SURVIVED THAT DAY 1170 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:37,720 BUT DID NOT HAVE A 1171 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,080 GOOD OUTCOME. 1172 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,400 IT WAS VERY UNSETTLING. 1173 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,640 IT WAS THE KIND OF THING THAT 1174 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:44,120 MIGHT MAKE SOMEONE 1175 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:52,800 LEAVE A FIELD, INTERVENTION 1176 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,160 FIELD, AND I 1177 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,000 REMEMBER SHAKING THE NEXT DAY 1178 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,440 AND PULLED ME INTO 1179 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,120 THE ULTRASOUND PROCEDURE ROOM 1180 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,520 WHICH WAS EMPTY 1181 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,520 WITH NO PATIENTS AND WE SAT 1182 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,880 ON THE STRETCHER. HE 1183 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,640 SAID TO ME, YOU ARE A GOOD 1184 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,720 DOCTOR. 1185 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,240 I WOULD HAVE YOU DO MY 1186 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,240 BILIARY EVERY DAY OF THE 1187 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:08,840 WEEK. I REMEMBER HIM SAY THAT 1188 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:09,280 BECAUSE IT IS SO 1189 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:09,720 EASY 1190 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:11,280 TO BE JUDGMENTAL OR TO NOT, I 1191 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,320 DON'T KNOW, PICK 1192 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,200 APART, WHEN SOMEONE HAS A 1193 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:20,600 COMPLICATION HE 1194 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,200 DEFINITELY DID NOT DO THAT 1195 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:21,680 AND HE 1196 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,440 DID NOT WANT ME TO DO 1197 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,000 HIS BILIARY EVER AFTER MY 1198 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,120 PERFORMANCE BUT HE WAS 1199 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:29,600 SO EMPATHIC 1200 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,200 AND CONFIDENT IN ME THAT IT 1201 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:30,840 HELP ME GET PAST 1202 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,520 THAT. IT WAS REALLY WONDERFUL 1203 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:31,840 OF HIM. 1204 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,640 --- 1205 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:34,720 SO THEN LIKE A COUPLE OF 1206 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:38,000 YEARS GOES BY. NYU WAS 1207 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,360 A GREAT JOB; 1208 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:41,880 I HAD A LITTLE ARMY OF 1209 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,440 MEDICAL STUDENTS AND WE 1210 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,000 WROTE A BUNCH OF LITTLE 1211 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,280 PAPERS. AGAIN NOTHING 1212 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,520 NOBEL PRIZE-WINNING. 1213 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,040 I HAD SORT OF LIKE A LITTLE 1214 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,040 LAB, AND MANY RAHMI 1215 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,960 OR MINI DR. PARSA. 1216 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,480 I WAS DOING INTERESTING 1217 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,800 CASES. 1218 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,400 I WAS PRETTY SATISFIED WITH 1219 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,840 MY JOB 1220 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,400 ALTHOUGH I WAS WORKING VERY 1221 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,520 HARD BUT I LIKED IT. 1222 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,560 --- AT ONE POINT RAHMI OKLU 1223 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,760 SAID ME IS 1224 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,240 SCREENSHOT OF A JOB POSTING A 1225 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:10,640 SLOAN-KETTERING. 1226 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,200 HE SAID, "APPLY!" AND I SAID 1227 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,120 I'M HAPPY BUT HE 1228 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,000 SAID JUST APPLY, IT DOES NOT 1229 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,280 HURT TO LOOK AND 1230 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:20,920 OBVIOUSLY SLOAN-KETTERING IS 1231 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,840 LIKE A PALACE, THE 1232 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,640 MECCA, THE WHITE IVORY TOWER 1233 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,400 OF IR. WE HAD 12 1234 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,040 FANCY PROCEDURE ROOMS AND AN 1235 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,360 ARMY OF RESEARCH 1236 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,000 STAFF. IT'S A REALLY SPECIAL 1237 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,440 PLACE WHERE THERE'S 1238 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,640 A LOT OF 1239 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,440 POTENTIAL POSSIBILITY TO DO 1240 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:40,800 INTERESTING 1241 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:41,440 COLLABORATION IN RESEARCH AND 1242 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,800 THERE ARE 25 OR SO 1243 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,440 IR DOCTORS IN THE GROUP SO IT 1244 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,040 TOOK LIKE 1245 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,040 FOREVER TO APPLY THERE. I 1246 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:48,440 KEPT GOING TO GO 1247 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,920 UPTOWN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE 1248 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,160 23RD AND 24TH, AND 1249 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,240 OF THE COURSE OF THE 1250 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:57,800 APPLICATION AND WHY YOU 1251 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520 CHANGED AND DR. CHARLES STEP 1252 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,000 DOWN AND BROUGHT IN 1253 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,000 THE NEW DIVISION CHIEF AND 1254 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,960 THE WHOLE LANDSCAPE 1255 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,520 CHANGED. ONLY A THIRD OR 1256 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,840 QUARTER THE PEOPLE THAT 1257 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,840 USED TO WORK THERE ARE STILL 1258 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,280 THERE NOW. AND I 1259 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:12,920 THOUGHT MAYBE THIS IS MY TIME 1260 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,960 TO GO. MAYBE IT'S 1261 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,440 A GOOD MOVE TO GO TO SLOAN. 1262 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,200 OFF I WENT TO SLOAN-KETTERING 1263 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:18,960 FOR I ENCOUNTERED 1264 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:27,040 MY NEXT MENTOR DR. ERINJERY, 1265 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,440 A SCIENTIST BY 1266 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,640 NATURE. 1267 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,200 HE WAS A GOOD PHYSICIAN 1268 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,240 SCIENTIST MENTOR. HE 1269 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:34,800 LOOKED AT MY CV AND HE SAID, 1270 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960 YOU HAVE 1271 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:37,600 DOZENS OF PAPERS BUT THEY ARE 1272 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,000 ALL RELATED TO 1273 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,520 EACH OTHER. THERE IS NO 1274 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,840 THEMATIC CONTENT HERE. 1275 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:46,400 IT'S IMPRESSIVE IN ITS LENGTH 1276 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,000 BUT IT IS GOING NOWHERE AND 1277 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,480 YOU CANNOT BUILD A 1278 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,440 PALACE FROM A PILE OF PEBBLES. 1279 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,040 YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING 1280 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,600 LIKE A PROJECT. 1281 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040 --- 1282 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,160 I TOLD YOU THAT THERE'S LIKE 1283 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,160 25 DOCTORS AND WE 1284 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:01,800 ALSO SPECIALIZED IN DIFFERENT 1285 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,200 TYPES OF CANCER 1286 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,840 AND UNFORTUNATELY LIKE 1287 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:10,120 IT WAS ALREADY THE -- SECTOR 1288 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,720 WAS FULLY 1289 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:11,360 SATURATED, HEART AND SOUL OF 1290 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:11,720 INTERVENTION 1291 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:13,240 RADIOLOGY SO I ENDED UP BEING 1292 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:13,560 ASSIGNED TO 1293 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,640 METASTATIC BREAST CANCER, A 1294 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,760 GOOD FIT FOR ME. 1295 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:25,360 --- BASICALLY NOW THIS 1296 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:25,840 VISION, THIS PATH TO 1297 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,360 BECOME THE PHYSICIAN 1298 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:27,520 SCIENTIST KIND OF TAKE 1299 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,680 SHAPE. PICK A TOPIC: 1300 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,440 METASTATIC BREAST CANCER. 1301 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,240 TWO, WRITE A BUNCH OF 1302 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:36,720 RESEARCH PAPERS APPLIED ON 1303 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:40,400 SOCIETAL OR SEED GRANTS. 1304 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040 AND BASED ON THOSE PAPERS 1305 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,000 APPLY FOR LARGER NIH 1306 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040 GRANTS AND STEP-BY-STEP BY 1307 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,680 STEP SO THE PATH 1308 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,400 BECOMES CLEAR TO WHERE I AM 1309 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:50,880 HEADED. THAT IS WHAT 1310 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,720 I DID. 1311 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,920 I WROTE A BUNCH OF PAPERS 1312 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,520 ABOUT LOCAL REGIONAL 1313 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,080 THERAPY IN THE SETTING OF 1314 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:57,480 BREAST CANCER. 1315 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:58,600 --- 1316 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,440 FOR EXAMPLE THIS PAPER HERE 1317 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,000 WE LOOKED AT THERMAL 1318 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:03,640 -- OF LIVER TUMORS AND FOUND 1319 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,600 THAT IF 1320 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:08,120 YOU ACHIEVED A 5 MM OR 1321 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,840 GREATER MARGIN YOU HAVE A 1322 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,440 0% CHANCE OF DISEASE IN THAT 1323 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:10,880 AREA MOST OF THE 1324 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,360 WORK I DID WAS ABOUT Y 90. 1325 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,640 I WOULD SAY MY TRUE INTEREST 1326 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,640 IS IN ARTERIAL 1327 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,440 WORK. WE FOUND THAT IF YOU 1328 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,440 TREAT METASTATIC 1329 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,240 BREAST CANCER TO THE LIVER 1330 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,240 WITH Y 90 AND YOU 1331 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:26,840 HAVE A RESPONSE HE SURVIVED 1332 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,400 SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER. 1333 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,040 AND THEN WE FOUND A BUNCH OF 1334 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:30,320 DIFFERENT 1335 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,240 PREDICTORS FOR RESPONSE. FOR 1336 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:32,440 EXAMPLE CERTAIN 1337 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,320 MUTATIONS. 1338 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:33,840 --- WE ALSO FOUND THAT 1339 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,840 SPECIFIC DOSE TO TUMOR 1340 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,440 WILL ENABLE YOU TO ACHIEVE 1341 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:39,880 OBJECTIVE RESPONSES 1342 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,200 AND DEFINE 1343 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,800 THE THRESHOLD AT 80 GREY 1344 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,280 WHICH IS HELPFUL AND WE 1345 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,520 DEFINED 1346 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,120 WHAT YOU EXPECT TO SEE OVER 1347 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,640 TIME ON THE PET CT 1348 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,320 -- 1349 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,960 AND FINALLY WE IDENTIFIED ONE 1350 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,360 PATIENT IN THE 1351 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:02,400 COHORT WHO HAD NECK SCOPAL 1352 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:02,960 EFFECT AND HAD 1353 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,840 TERRIBLE METASTASIS AND GAVE 1354 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,720 HER Y 90, 1355 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:09,280 AND WE DID NOT CHANGE HER 1356 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,040 SYSTEMIC THERAPY AND 1357 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:10,640 SHE HAD A COMPLETE RESPONSE 1358 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,000 IN LYMPH NODE AND 1359 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:13,600 BONE. THAT IMPLIED THAT BY 1360 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,440 TREATING THE LIVER 1361 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,920 METS (PHONETIC) WE GENERATED 1362 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,440 AN IMMUNITY TO THE 1363 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,640 OTHER TUMORS THAT RESULTED IN 1364 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,080 RESPONSES IN THESE EXTRA 1365 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,960 PATHIC SITES WHICH WAS 1366 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,800 REALLY COOL. 1367 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,440 IT HAD NOT BEEN DESCRIBED IN 1368 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,000 THE SETTING FOR Y 1369 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,880 90. 1370 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:32,520 --- AND WITH THIS INFORMATION 1371 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,280 THAT SAID THE 1372 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,120 BASIS FOR MY PERSPECTIVE 1373 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,240 STUDY WHICH GOD LITTLE 1374 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:44,760 GRANTS, SEED GRANTS, PILOT 1375 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:45,240 GRANTS TO DO AND HAD 1376 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:46,320 A COHORT OF ABOUT 20 MINUTES 1377 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,920 AND WE WERE GETTING 1378 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,840 THIS RADIAOEMBOLIZATION 1379 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,400 TREATMENT COLLECTED THIS 1380 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,720 TUMOR BASELINE AND THAT THE Y 1381 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:54,160 90 AND WHEN THEY 1382 00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,000 CAME BACK THE SECOND Y 90 1383 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:00,600 AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF 1384 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,600 DIFFERENT FINDINGS 1385 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,320 BUT I THINK MOST INTERESTING 1386 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,400 WAS THAT CERTAIN BASELINE 1387 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:06,560 BIOMARKERS PREDICTED 1388 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,120 RESPONSE, EVEN THOUGH THE 1389 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,160 COHORT WAS ONLY 20 PEOPLE. SO 1390 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,240 WE FOUND THAT IF 1391 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,040 YOU HAD HIGH LEVELS OF 1392 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,080 INFLAMMATORY PERIPHERAL 1393 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:14,120 MARKERS YOU HAD SIGNIFICANTLY 1394 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:16,120 WORSE OUTCOMES VS. 1395 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,360 IF YOU HAD HIGHER LEVERS OF 1396 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,840 PD 1 STAINING AND PD 1397 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,440 1 POSITIVE CELLS IN THE 1398 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560 TUMOR, IN THE 1399 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,120 MICROENVIRONMENT, YOU DID 1400 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,640 SIGNIFICANT BETTER SO 1401 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,120 THAT SUGGESTED THAT -- WERE 1402 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,040 GOOD BIOMARKERS AND 1403 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,240 PD-1 AGENTS WERE POTENTIAL 1404 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:38,760 IMMUNOTHERAPIES FOR 1405 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,440 COMBINATION STUDIES. 1406 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,000 --- I WOULD SAY THAT THE 1407 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,480 OVERALL PROJECT WAS 1408 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,800 VERY SUCCESSFUL IN GOING 1409 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,840 ALONG THIS MOUNTAIN 1410 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,320 PATH LAID FOR ME. 1411 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,520 --- 1412 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,120 THE OTHER REALLY COOL THING 1413 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,440 ABOUT 1414 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,040 SLOAN-KETTERING WAS FOR THE 1415 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:55,520 FIRST TIME IT WASN'T 1416 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,000 JUST ME AND A BUNCH OF DUDES. 1417 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,440 THEY WERE ACTUALLY 1418 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,280 SEVERAL REALLY AMAZING WOMEN 1419 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,840 THAT I WORKED WITH. 1420 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:07,880 LYNN BRODY, ANN -- AND KAREN 1421 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,280 BROWN HAD BEEN 1422 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:08,920 THERE FOR MANY YEARS AND ARE 1423 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,400 SOME OF THE FINEST 1424 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:10,320 DOCTORS 1425 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,600 YOU WILL EVER MEET IN ANY 1426 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,080 DISCIPLINE. WHAT WAS 1427 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,200 REALLY INTERESTING WAS THAT 1428 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:14,640 THIS WAS THE FIRST 1429 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,240 TIME WHERE ALL THE LITTLE 1430 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:21,200 THINGS LIKE THE FEMALE 1431 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,240 NURSE SECOND-GUESSING YOU, 1432 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:24,840 NOT BEING IS NICE TO YOU AS 1433 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,520 THE MALE DOCTORS, 1434 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:29,120 ETC., ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS 1435 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,400 NOT THERE BECAUSE 1436 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:38,000 THESE WOMEN HAD BEEN WHO THEY 1437 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,600 WERE. AND I DID 1438 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,240 NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT 1439 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:43,920 BUT THERE WAS STILL 1440 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,000 CHAUVINISM, LESS SO IN NEW 1441 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,480 YORK, IN A BLUE STATE 1442 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,600 BUT IS STILL THERE IN THE 1443 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,200 INSTITUTION AND IN THE 1444 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:52,800 FIELD. IT'S IRONIC BECAUSE 1445 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:53,280 STUDIES SHOW THAT IF 1446 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,560 YOU HAVE MORE WOMEN IN YOUR 1447 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,080 WORKPLACE, 1448 00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,720 IT'S A BETTER WORKPLACE WITH 1449 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,160 LESS BURNOUT AND 1450 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,200 MORE JOB SATISFACTION SO IR 1451 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,800 REALLY STRUGGLED TO RECRUIT 1452 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:05,200 WOMEN INTO THE 1453 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:05,840 WORKPLACE AND I WAS TRYING TO 1454 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,280 UNDERSTAND REASONS 1455 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:06,640 WHY. 1456 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,720 --- 1457 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:08,360 I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER 1458 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:08,840 THIS WHOLE LIKE 1459 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,760 PHENOMENA, I AM A SURGEON, I 1460 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,680 LOOK LIKE A 1461 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,200 SURGEON, AND SOMEBODY 1462 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:17,800 PUBLISHED AN ARTICLE ABOUT 1463 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,320 HOW HARD IT WAS TO BE A 1464 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,040 SURGEON. SURGEONS ARE 1465 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,440 40% WOMEN, TRY 10%, THAT'S 1466 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,920 WHAT IR IS. EVERYONE 1467 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,640 DID TONS OF THESE WHICH WAS 1468 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,520 REALLY COOL, ENOUGH 1469 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,360 THESE DIFFERENT MEDICAL 1470 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,360 SUBSPECIALTIES. 1471 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:38,920 AND WE ALSO DID SOME DATA 1472 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:39,440 PAPERS WHICH ALLUDED 1473 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:39,960 TO IN THE INTRODUCTION, 1474 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,320 SHOWING THAT WOMEN IRS 1475 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:43,920 ARE DOING THE SAME LEVEL OF 1476 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,560 CASES AND CLINICAL 1477 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,400 WORK AND THEIR MALE 1478 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,680 COLLEAGUES. BUT IT'S FUNNY. 1479 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,960 JUST GOING TO THE MEETINGS 1480 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,440 AND BEING AMONG THE 1481 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040 SOCIETY OF INTERVENTIONAL 1482 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:59,560 RADIOLOGISTS, 1483 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:00,160 I HAVE ALWAYS FELT A LITTLE 1484 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,000 BIT EXCLUDED. EVEN 1485 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:02,720 GOING TO SEE SOMEONE'S TALK 1486 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:03,360 AND SEE THE DISCLOSURES IF IT 1487 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,920 IS A MAN 1488 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,520 IN THE FIELD THEY CONSULTED 1489 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,000 EVERY COMPANY KNOWN 1490 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,000 TO MAN. 1491 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,560 WOMEN ARE RELATIVELY NOT 1492 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,840 INVOLVED IN THAT. WE 1493 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,360 LOOK AT THESE INDUSTRY 1494 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,400 PAYMENTS WHICH IS NOT 1495 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:13,880 ONLY A SOURCE 1496 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:14,800 OF ADDITIONAL POSSIBLE SALARY 1497 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,320 BUT ALSO THE INDUSTRY 1498 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,000 LEADERS. AND THEY CHOOSE 1499 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,400 THE KEY OPINION LEADERS IN 1500 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,520 OUR FIELD AND EVEN THOUGH 1501 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,040 WOMEN ARE 10% OF THE 1502 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,240 IRS RECEIVED LESS THAN 1% OF 1503 00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,720 THE PAYMENTS. 1504 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:32,400 --- I WAS PRETTY HAPPY WITH 1505 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:32,840 LIKE WHERE THINGS 1506 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,160 WERE GOING AT SLOAN. I SPENT 1507 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,320 OVER FIVE YEARS 1508 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,280 THERE 1509 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:38,880 AND HAD MY RESEARCH PROJECT 1510 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,280 IN MY CLINICAL 1511 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:46,000 PRACTICE. 1512 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:46,640 IT WAS PRETTY SUBSPECIALIZED. 1513 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,040 I THINK IT WAS 1514 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:47,560 PRETTY REWARDING 1515 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,560 THING THAT I WAS DOING AND I 1516 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,160 TURNED 40; THIS BY 1517 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,880 DR. MILLER'S 1518 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,520 EXCELLENT ADVICE HAD NOT BEEN 1519 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,000 ABLE TO FIND A 1520 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,600 SUITABLE HUSBAND AND ALL OF 1521 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,560 NEW YORK CITY. WELL, 1522 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,520 IN ADDITION TO HAVING A LIFE 1523 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:00,920 PARTNER I ALSO 1524 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,600 WANTED TO HAVE KIDS, THAT WAS 1525 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,120 ON MY BUCKET LIST. 1526 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:11,400 THESE TWO THINGS. 1527 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,960 --- I ALSO HAD MY BUCKET 1528 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,240 LIST TO MAKE A THREE 1529 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,480 FIGURE SALARY. 1530 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:17,080 AND I LEARNED NOT TO MAKE A 1531 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,640 BUCKET LIST WHEN 1532 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,240 YOU'RE DRINKING. I WANTED A 1533 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,840 BLACK LAB, GOT THAT. 1534 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,840 I WANTED THE JEEP WRANGLER, 1535 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,960 GOT THAT. 1536 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:25,520 AND I'M NOT GOING TO WAIT 1537 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,200 AROUND FOR A HUSBAND. 1538 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,040 --- 1539 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,640 AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE 1540 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,400 IS A CLIFF. ONCE 1541 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,520 YOU'RE 40 YOU ARE FALLING OFF 1542 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,600 THE CLIFF; IT 1543 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,640 MAKES IT SO MUCH HARDER. I 1544 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,160 THINK IT'S A GREAT 1545 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,200 MESSAGE THAT I GOT GROWING 1546 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,520 UP. 1547 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,000 GO BE INDEPENDENT. GO HAVE 1548 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,080 YOUR CAREER. YOU CAN 1549 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,280 HAVE IT ALL. 1550 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,920 I THINK ELISE TO BE A LITTLE 1551 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,760 TEMPERED AND THERE 1552 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:49,280 NEEDS TO BE SOME HONEST 1553 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:49,800 DISCUSSION ABOUT THE 1554 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,320 FACT THAT IF YOU DELAY 1555 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,200 EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF 1556 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,560 FAMILY, YOU MAY MISS OUT ON 1557 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:54,040 YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO 1558 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,840 DO IT. THERE ARE CERTAIN 1559 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:58,440 BIOLOGICAL REALITIES THAT YOU 1560 00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:58,840 NEED TO THINK 1561 00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,200 ABOUT. 1562 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,680 --- 1563 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,280 ANYWAY, I AM ABOUT TO HIT 1564 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,880 THIS CLIFF. WHAT AM I 1565 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,360 GOING TO DO? 1566 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:06,880 LUCKY FOR ME I HAD THIS 1567 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,800 AMAZING MENTOR IN -- WHO 1568 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,960 IS A LONE PARENT WITH TWO 1569 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,440 AMAZING DAUGHTERS OF 1570 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,600 HER OWN. YOU KNOW WHAT? 1571 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,360 LET'S DO THIS THING. 1572 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,520 I AM GOING TO HAVE MY OWN 1573 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,040 KID, THE ULTIMATE ACT 1574 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,840 OF FEMINISM. 1575 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,440 I'M GOING TO DO THIS ON MY 1576 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:23,920 OWN AND I'M GOING TO 1577 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,360 HAVE A BABY AND I DID IT. 1578 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,000 HERE IS ME, 41. 1579 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:29,840 TWO WEEKS BEFORE MY DUE DATE. 1580 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,880 I'M AT THE GYM. 1581 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,680 I HAD MY FIRST BABY. 1582 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,680 THIS IS LINDSAY. 1583 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,240 AND EVERYTHING CHANGED. 1584 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,320 I REALIZED BECOMING APPARENT 1585 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:41,760 THINGS WOULD BE 1586 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,360 DIFFERENT BUT I THINK UNTIL 1587 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,160 YOU ACTUALLY LIVE IT 1588 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,880 YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW. 1589 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,120 IT TURNED OUT THAT IT WAS LIKE 1590 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,920 THE GREATEST LOVE I HAVE EVER 1591 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:51,400 FELT. I DECIDED TO 1592 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,560 HAVE A SECOND ONE AND NOW I 1593 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,720 HAVE TWO DAUGHTERS. 1594 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:56,440 DURING MY FIRST PREGNANCY I 1595 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:56,840 UNFORTUNATELY 1596 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,840 SUDDENLY LOST MY DAD, A BIG 1597 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,840 SUPPORTER OF MINE. 1598 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,120 I WAS VERY CLOSE TO HIM. HE 1599 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,240 DIED UNEXPECTEDLY. 1600 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,240 --- 1601 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:09,840 AT THE TIME HE PASSED AWAY 1602 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,280 AND I WAS TRYING TO 1603 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:11,240 BUY AN APARTMENT IN NEW YORK 1604 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:12,240 -- THANK GOD THE 1605 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:18,000 DEAL FELL THROUGH AND I WAS 1606 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,440 HOMELESS, IN AN AIR 1607 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,000 B&B. 1608 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:20,800 IN THE SECOND PREGNANCY WAS 1609 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,240 WHEN COVID HIT. 1610 00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:25,880 IF I EVER GET PREGNANT AGAIN 1611 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,440 IT'LL BE AN EARTH 1612 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680 ENDING ASTEROID. 1613 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,600 NO MORE KIDS FOR ME. 1614 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,640 --- 1615 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,000 COMING BACK FROM LEAVE AND 1616 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:36,480 READJUSTING TO 1617 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,240 THE NEW REALITY 1618 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:38,400 WAS PROBABLY THE HARDEST THING 1619 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,320 THAT I HAVE EVER DONE. 1620 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:41,960 AND I THINK IF YOU TAKE THE 1621 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,440 JOB OF IR, IT'S 1622 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,440 LIKE SUPER STRESSFUL. 1623 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:47,840 IT IS UNPREDICTABLE WHAT 1624 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,840 ADD-ONS YOU GET. 1625 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,440 YOU GET SOME OF THE SICKEST 1626 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:53,880 PATIENTS AND EVEN 1627 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,520 THE MOST MINOR PROCEDURES CAN 1628 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:54,960 GO SOUTH AND ADD 1629 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,120 TO THAT A DEADLINE OF TIME, 1630 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,440 WHEN YOU TRY TO GET HOME TO 1631 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,360 EITHER RELIEVE THE NANNY OR 1632 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:02,840 SEE YOUR KID BEFORE 1633 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,200 THEY GO TO BED IT'S A LOT OF 1634 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,040 STRESS. 1635 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520 --- 1636 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,160 I REALIZED IN THIS TRANSITION 1637 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,120 THAT I HAD BEEN SO 1638 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:10,760 WORRIED ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE 1639 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,840 THOUGHT OF ME THAT I 1640 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,360 WAS NOT A FULL PARTNER 1641 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,440 ANYMORE IN THE PRACTICE. 1642 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,040 AT THE END OF THE DAY I HAD 1643 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,600 TO ACCEPT MYSELF 1644 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,240 THAT I WAS A DIFFERENT 1645 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:19,760 PERSON. I COULD NOT BE 1646 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,280 THE PERSON THAT COULD RALLY 1647 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,880 AND BE THE THIRD 1648 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,480 SCRUB, LET'S DO THE BILIARY 1649 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:24,920 TOGETHER UNTIL 10 1650 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,240 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. OR GO TO 1651 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,880 BEERS AFTERWARDS. 1652 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,480 I HAD A WHOLE SET OF OTHER 1653 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,000 RESPONSIBILITIES 1654 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,560 AND I HAD TO ACCEPT THAT 1655 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,080 ABOUT MYSELF. 1656 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,440 --- 1657 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,240 I LIKE THIS QUOTE FROM SLASH. 1658 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:37,960 HE IS TALKING 1659 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,240 ABOUT LIFE-CHANGING EVENTS. 1660 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:39,720 THEY USUALLY DO NOT 1661 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:43,360 ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES, IT TAKES 1662 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:43,720 YEARS FOR THE 1663 00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:44,320 EMOTIONAL DUST TO SETTLE AS 1664 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,200 YOU DO 1665 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,600 YOUR BEST TO SEE THROUGH THE 1666 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,040 STORM. I AM JUST 1667 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,680 TRYING TO SURVIVE. I AM 1668 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,240 TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER 1669 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,320 ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS 1670 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:55,680 AND WHAT THAT 1671 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,280 MEANT FOR ME AND MY FAMILY 1672 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:56,840 THAT I CREATED. 1673 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,720 --- 1674 00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:58,560 SO THINGS ESPECIALLY DURING 1675 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,160 THE COVID PANDEMIC, 1676 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:07,240 SORT OF BAD I'D SAY. 1677 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,240 I TOLD YOU I WAS A LITTLE 1678 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,720 BIT OF A GERM PHOBE, 1679 00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:12,240 AND NOT A WHOLE CITY IS 1680 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,840 COATED IN COVID. IT'S A 1681 00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,680 STRUGGLE TO HAVE A YOUNG 1682 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,200 FAMILY, YOUNG KIDS IN 1683 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:18,800 AN URBAN SETTING WHERE THE 1684 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,240 EXPENSES ARE HIGH, 1685 00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,800 NOT THE MOST WHOLESOME 1686 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,320 ENVIRONMENT; THERE'S A 1687 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:24,920 LOT OF STUFF TO DO AND THAT 1688 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,160 IS GREAT BUT IT 1689 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:26,640 REALLY FELT 1690 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,240 LIKE THE WALLS WERE CLOSING 1691 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,120 IN. 1692 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,640 AND I THINK THAT WAS 1693 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,240 AGGRAVATED BY THE PANDEMIC 1694 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:33,800 AND DURING THIS DIFFICULT 1695 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,760 TIME I GOT A LOT OF 1696 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120 SOLICITED AND UNSOLICITED 1697 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:37,960 ADVICE WHICH I THINK 1698 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,920 WAS WELL-MEANING BUT NOT 1699 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,320 HELPFUL. 1700 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:42,840 SOMEONE SAID JUST HIRE 1701 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:43,400 ANOTHER NANNY ABOUT THE 1702 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:43,920 TIME PRESSURE. 1703 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,680 YEAH, I GUESS SO. FIRST OF 1704 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,240 ALL THAT IS SUPER 1705 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:49,880 EXPENSIVE AND THEN I DID NOT 1706 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,360 HAVE KIDS TO NEVER 1707 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,840 SEE THE NEVER. 1708 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,720 --- 1709 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,600 SOMEBODY TOLD ME TO GET A 1710 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,080 SERVANT. THAT WORKED 1711 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,080 FOR ME. THEY USED TO COOK MY 1712 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,360 MEALS AND WATCH MY 1713 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:02,040 CHILD. WHERE ARE THEY GOING 1714 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,680 TO LIVE? WE HAVE TWO 1715 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,360 BEDROOMS ALREADY. EVEN 1716 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:08,920 SOMEONE TOLD ME I NEEDED 1717 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,960 A BOYFRIEND. THAT IS THE LAST 1718 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,440 THING I NEED. IN 1719 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,640 THE END I THINK THAT HAVING 1720 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,640 THESE EXPERIENCES 1721 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,800 REFRAMED HOW I LOOKED AT MY 1722 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,240 CAREER. ALL OF A 1723 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,440 SUDDEN THERE WAS BETWEEN MY 1724 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:25,760 WORK AND MY 1725 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,040 RESPONSIBILITIES AT HOME. 1726 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,720 THAT WAS NO SPACE FOR 1727 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,840 ME. 1728 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,960 EVERYTHING WAS HIGH YIELD AND 1729 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,360 INSPIRING AT WORK. 1730 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:48,840 AND I TOOK A GOOD LOOK AT MY 1731 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,280 JOB. I WAS GETTING 1732 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,000 EXTREMELY BURNED-OUT. 1733 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,000 --- 1734 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,320 I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE 1735 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,480 METASTATIC CANCER. THE 1736 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,120 DATA WAS EXCITING BUT IT WAS 1737 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,200 A BIG LIFT TO WRITE 1738 00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:58,960 IT UP. AT THE END OF THE DAY 1739 00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,920 I AM INTERESTED IN 1740 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,040 THE HUMAN BRAIN AND BEHAVIOR; 1741 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,360 NOT REALLY 1742 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,320 INTERESTED IN IMMUNOLOGY. I 1743 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,800 AM DOING IT BECAUSE 1744 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,440 THAT IS THE THING THAT MADE 1745 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:08,840 SENSE AT THE TIME 1746 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:09,480 BUT IT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT 1747 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:09,920 WAS INSPIRING ME 1748 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,040 AND IT BECAME SOMETHING THAT 1749 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,080 I LIKE ALMOST COULD 1750 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,720 NOT DO. 1751 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:15,480 --- 1752 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,120 AND SO I STARTED THINKING, 1753 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,040 WHAT AM I AFTER? 1754 00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,680 I AM ON THIS PATH AND GOING 1755 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,360 FORWARD BUT IT IS A 1756 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,040 SLOG; I AM BURNED OUT. MAYBE 1757 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,840 THERE ARE OTHER 1758 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:31,440 PATHS. MAYBE I AM THINKING 1759 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,240 ABOUT THIS ALL WRONG 1760 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:32,800 AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT 1761 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,280 VERSIONS OF PHYSICIAN 1762 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:33,920 SCIENTISTS AND LEADERS THAT I 1763 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,360 NEED TO CONSIDER. 1764 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,440 AND THE PATH THAT I WAS ON 1765 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,120 MAY NOT BE FOR ME 1766 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,680 RIGHT NOW. MAYBE THAT 1767 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,240 WOULD'VE WORKED 10 YEARS 1768 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:42,600 AGO. 1769 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,360 --- 1770 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,640 I LIKE THIS QUOTE FROM MOBY: 1771 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,240 "IF YOU DO 1772 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:51,960 SOMETHING YOU HATE AND HAVE 1773 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:52,400 SUCCESS, YOU WILL 1774 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,560 STILL HATE IT." 1775 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,160 MAYBE IT WAS NOT ENOUGH TO 1776 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:57,520 MAKE ME FEEL 1777 00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,880 FULFILLED IN THE FIELD. SO I 1778 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,680 STARTED 1779 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,240 INTERVIEWING AT DIFFERENT 1780 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,480 PLACES. 1781 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,760 I INTERVIEWED AT THIS ONE 1782 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920 PRACTICE IN COLORADO, 1783 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,760 A PRIVATE PRACTICE. COLORADO 1784 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:14,160 WOULD HAVE MADE 1785 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,960 GOOD SENSE. NEW YORK IS 1786 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,600 BECOMING UNMANAGEABLE. I 1787 00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,960 REALIZE I STILL WANTED TO BE 1788 00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,680 IN ACADEMICS, SO I 1789 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:24,320 COULD NOT TAKE THE JOB EVEN 1790 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,440 IF IT MADE SENSE. 1791 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,120 I HAD A GOOD FRIEND AND 1792 00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:32,640 MENTOR, DR. -- A 1793 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,960 PROMINENT VASCULAR SURGEON IN 1794 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,640 NYU, AND HE KNEW 1795 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,240 THIS VASCULAR SURGEON HERE 1796 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:40,720 AND HE HAD THIS 1797 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:46,160 VASCULAR SURGERY GROUP AT WVU 1798 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:46,600 IN CHARLESTON AND 1799 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,840 FOR POLITICAL REASONS THERE 1800 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,000 HAS NOT BEEN 1801 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,080 INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGY AT 1802 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:51,520 THIS HOSPITAL FOR 1803 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:52,520 ALMOST 10 YEARS IN THIS 1804 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:53,040 HOSPITAL IS A LEVEL I 1805 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,240 TRAUMA CENTER AND A CANCER 1806 00:51:54,240 --> 00:52:01,920 CENTER, A 1000-BED 1807 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,520 HOSPITAL IN THE CONCEPT OF 1808 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,360 NOT HAVING IR IS 1809 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,760 CRAZY. ANYTHING PORTAL 1810 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,120 INTERVENTION, 1811 00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:08,720 INTERVENTIONAL ONCOLOGY WAS 1812 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:10,800 BASICALLY MISSING. 1813 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,280 AND THAT IS WHAT I AM 1814 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,240 BRINGING TO THIS PLACE. I 1815 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,760 AM THE DIRECTOR OF 1816 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:15,400 INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGY AND 1817 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,800 SO FAR THERE IS LIKE ONE OF 1818 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,280 ME. I AM A PRETTY 1819 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:21,480 GOOD BOSTON MYSELF. HOPEFULLY 1820 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:21,960 I WILL BE ABOUT TO 1821 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,720 SOMEONE ELSE WHEN WE 1822 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:24,280 EVENTUALLY RECRUIT BUT I 1823 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:24,920 AM IN THE DEPARTMENT OF 1824 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,520 VASCULAR SURGERY. AND 1825 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,080 AGAIN IT'S JUST ME AND A 1826 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,200 BUNCH OF DUDES; MAYBE 1827 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,800 WILL GET MORE WOMEN IN THE 1828 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,200 FUTURE. 1829 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,640 --- 1830 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:34,240 I FIND THAT I AM VERY ENGAGED 1831 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:34,640 IN THE WORK 1832 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,240 BECAUSE INSTEAD OF BEING ONE 1833 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:37,640 OF 25 DOCTORS WHERE 1834 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,240 I AM ESSENTIALLY REPLACEABLE, 1835 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:43,520 I AM MORE NEEDED 1836 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,120 HERE ON THE CLINICAL FRONT 1837 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:44,840 AND FOR RESEARCH I 1838 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,400 THINK I AM GOING TO SHIFT 1839 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,800 YEARS AND USE PUBLICLY 1840 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,520 AVAILABLE DATABASES TO MORE 1841 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,040 CONTINUE THE GENERAL 1842 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:54,640 REPRESENTATION PIECE WHICH I 1843 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,640 FIND MORE ENGAGING 1844 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,240 THAN THE IMMUNOLOGY THAT I 1845 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:56,640 HAVE BEEN MOST 1846 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,480 RECENTLY WORKING ON. 1847 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:02,840 --- AND SO I FEEL LIKE I HAVE 1848 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:03,280 OUR LITTLE PIECE 1849 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,640 OF HEAVEN. THIS IS 1850 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,120 CHARLESTON, WEST VIRGINIA, 1851 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,560 THE STATE CAPITOL. 1852 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,040 AND WE HAVE LIKE A DICE HOUSE 1853 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,320 AND A BACKYARD AND 1854 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:13,960 YOU CAN LITERALLY DRIVE UP TO 1855 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,000 THE DOWNTOWN AND 1856 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,040 PARK AND GO TO A RESTAURANT 1857 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,520 OR SOMETHING, MUCH 1858 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,440 MORE LOGISTICALLY FEASIBLE. 1859 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:20,880 WE REALLY ENJOY IT 1860 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,240 HERE. 1861 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:24,920 --- AND SO I DON'T KNOW. WE 1862 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:25,360 WILL SEE WHAT THE 1863 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,040 FUTURE HOLDS BUT I THINK THE 1864 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,480 THINGS THAT I HAVE 1865 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,280 LEARNED IS THAT WHAT WORKS 1866 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,240 FOR ONE PERSON MAY 1867 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:32,440 NOT BE INSPIRING FOR THE NEXT 1868 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:32,840 PERSON. WE HAVE 1869 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,320 THESE I GUESS SCHEMA WHEN WE 1870 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:37,800 THINK ABOUT WHAT IT 1871 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,840 MEANS TO BE A PHYSICIAN 1872 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,080 SCIENTIST, BUT THERE ARE 1873 00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,640 DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND 1874 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,160 ITERATIONS OF THAT. THERE 1875 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,760 ISN'T JUST ONE PATH TO GET 1876 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,520 THERE. 1877 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,840 AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IS THAT MY 1878 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,440 MENTORS -- I HAVE 1879 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,960 BEEN SO BLESSED, AND I HAVE 1880 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,360 NOT EVEN TALKED 1881 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,000 ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT 1882 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:54,520 HAVE MENTORED ME, JUST 1883 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,680 A HANDFUL OF THEM -- THERE 1884 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:58,120 ALWAYS GIVING YOU 1885 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,040 ADVICE TO CREATE YOU IN THEIR 1886 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,520 OWN IMAGE BECAUSE 1887 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,720 THAT IS WHAT THEY KNOW. I 1888 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:05,240 THINK THE THING TO DO 1889 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:06,480 IS TO TAKE THE PIECES THAT 1890 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,000 YOU CAN APPLY TO YOUR 1891 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,280 OWN PATH AND KIND OF USE IT 1892 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:10,760 AS YOU CAN. AND IN 1893 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,320 THE END YOU HAVE TO GO FIND 1894 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,240 YOUR MOUNTAIN, 1895 00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:15,840 BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFERENT 1896 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,800 FOR EVERYONE. 1897 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,320 THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR 1898 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,800 ATTENTION. 1899 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,400 >> DR. WOOD: 1900 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,600 AWESOME AMY. THANK YOU AND I 1901 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,640 WILL GIVE YOU REAL 1902 00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,040 CLAP FOR EVERYBODY. AND I 1903 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:30,560 WISH WE CAN GET BACK 1904 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,840 TO THE DAYS WHERE WE CAN 1905 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,360 STAND UP AND DO THAT 1906 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:33,840 FOR YOU. 1907 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:38,400 REALLY A BUNCH PACKED IN 1908 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:38,840 THERE; THE WORDS OF 1909 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,840 WISDOM HIT HOME IN MANY WAYS. 1910 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:41,880 I'M GOING TO TURN 1911 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:42,480 OVER THE QUESTIONS AND THE 1912 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,960 REMAINING TIME TO 1913 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:46,920 JOCELYNE AND IF YOU HAVE 1914 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:47,400 QUESTIONS YOU CAN 1915 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,160 UNMUTE AND UNVIDEO YOURSELF 1916 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,360 ON ZOOM WHEN YOU 1917 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,800 HAVE THEM. 1918 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,440 I TAKE NOTES DURING THESE 1919 00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:56,960 LECTURES AND I WOULD 1920 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,600 LIKE TO SUMMARIZE AFTERWARDS 1921 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,920 THE QUOTES AND THIS 1922 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,880 IS BEEN PARTICULARLY LIVELY 1923 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:06,320 IN TERMS OF WHAT 1924 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:06,920 THOSE SERIES OF QUOTES WILL 1925 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,120 DO. 1926 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,120 --- 1927 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,760 THE FEW I TOOK, THE SMALL 1928 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:13,240 EVENTS IMPACTING LIFE 1929 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:14,080 IN A BIG WAY WHICH IS TRUE 1930 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,440 FOR EVERYBODY; SMALL 1931 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,960 THINGS CHANGE EVERYBODY'S 1932 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:19,440 TRAJECTORY AND YOUR 1933 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,040 TRAJECTORIES FANTASTIC AND 1934 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:21,440 INTERESTING, 1935 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,320 SOMETHING WE CAN LEARN FROM, 1936 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,200 WHICH IS WHAT THIS 1937 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,560 SERIES IS ABOUT. LEARNING 1938 00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:31,040 FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S 1939 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:31,640 EXPENSES AND NOT HAVING TO 1940 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,080 LIVE THROUGH IT 1941 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:32,520 YOURSELF. 1942 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:33,320 --- 1943 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,880 CHILD LABOR PAPER FACTORY, 1944 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,400 KIND OF COOL. 1945 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:37,400 THE READING ROOM IS BORING, 1946 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,920 COOL. 1947 00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:41,040 CHIEF WRANGLER. 1948 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:43,680 SUITABLE HUSBANDS, UNFOUND. 1949 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,040 I NEED A BOYFRIEND? 1950 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,720 THE LAST THING I NEED. 1951 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:51,280 THE CRISIS MOMENT IN THE 1952 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:52,520 BATTERY ROOM; WE'VE ALL 1953 00:55:52,520 --> 00:56:08,080 BEEN THERE, IN DIFFERENT WAYS, 1954 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:08,680 EVERYBODY HAS BEEN IN THAT 1955 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,200 SITUATION WHETHER YOU 1956 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:09,720 ARE A SURGEON OR WHAT. 1957 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,120 --- 1958 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,040 -- -- FEMINISM, STRONGEST 1959 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,080 THING I HAVE HEARD. 1960 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,880 THE CHEESE STANDS ALONE AND 1961 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,360 WHAT YOU DO AT THE 1962 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,160 END OF THE DAY AND ULTIMATELY 1963 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:25,560 I WILL REMEMBER 1964 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,200 THE LECTURE AS ME AND A BUNCH 1965 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,840 OF DUDES, WHICH I 1966 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:33,440 LOVED. I HOPE WE CAN CHANGE 1967 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,040 THAT. 1968 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,840 YOU WILL BE PART OF THE 1969 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:38,240 CHANGE. 1970 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:39,600 WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT YOUR 1971 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:40,040 EFFORTS TO DO THE 1972 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,760 HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE IN 1973 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:41,120 INDUSTRY AND 1974 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:41,760 ELSEWHERE TO PROVIDE METRICS 1975 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:42,400 FOR THE. 1976 00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,640 ALTERNATE OVER TO JOCELYNE 1977 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:47,080 AND THE GROUP FOR 1978 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:47,640 QUESTIONS. 1979 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,640 >> JOCELYNE RIVERA: 1980 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,480 THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT WAS 1981 00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,840 SUPER INTERESTING. 1982 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,600 I WILL SAY WITH THE QUOTES, 1983 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,840 GET ANGRY BEFORE THE 1984 00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:03,000 TALK. 1985 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:03,640 I WOULD GET ANGRY BEFORE ANY 1986 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:04,640 TALK I HAVE. 1987 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,440 AMAZING TALK. IF ANYONE HAS 1988 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,040 ANY QUESTIONS FEEL 1989 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:10,840 FREE TO UNMUTE. 1990 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,240 >> DR. WOOD: 1991 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:16,120 WHILE WE TRANSITION TO THAT, 1992 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:16,520 THE "GET ANGRY 1993 00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,120 BEFORE YOU TALK," 1994 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:30,040 REMIND ME MY FRIEND JOHN -- 1995 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:30,520 SHARED WHICH IS BODY 1996 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,000 LANGUAGE BEFORE JOB 1997 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,400 INTERVIEWS IF YOU HAVE AN 1998 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,040 OPEN BODY LANGUAGE AND YOU DO 1999 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:33,440 THIS AND BREATHE 2000 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,760 AND YELL FOR 30 SECONDS THOSE 2001 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:35,080 PEOPLE GET 2002 00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,040 ADJUSTED TO SICKLY 2003 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,640 SIGNIFICANT MUCH MORE THAN 2004 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,240 PEOPLE DO NOT DO THAT THE 2005 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:38,680 NEXT TIME YOU ARE 2006 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,800 SITTING ALONE -- YOU HAVE TO 2007 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,240 BE ALONE ACTUALLY 2008 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,440 FOR THIS -- AND BODY 2009 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,480 LANGUAGE. OPEN! 2010 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,720 DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER 2011 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:48,160 QUESTIONS? 2012 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,720 >> JOCELYNE RIVERA: 2013 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,480 YES. HEATHER HAS A QUESTION. 2014 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,840 HE SAYS, THANK YOU 2015 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,240 FOR THE GREAT TALK. I FOUND 2016 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,720 THE -- STUDIES VERY 2017 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:01,360 INTERESTING AND RELEVANT. HOW 2018 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,480 WOULD YOU APPROACH 2019 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,240 THE PERCEPTION DISCREPANCY OF 2020 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,800 THE SOCIETY 2021 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,960 TOWARDS WOMEN AND MINORITIES? 2022 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,240 HOW WOULD YOU TRY TO SOLVE 2023 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,440 THIS PROBLEM? 2024 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:16,160 AFFIRMATIVE-ACTION? 2025 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,160 CHANGING SYLLABUS AT SCHOOLS? 2026 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:21,840 MEDIA AND HOLLYWOOD? 2027 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:23,160 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2028 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,720 I DON'T KNOW. 2029 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,240 IT IS IMPLICIT. IT'S THE 2030 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:29,680 HARDEST THING TO 2031 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,640 ADDRESS OTHER THAN TRYING TO 2032 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,040 IDENTIFY AND TALK 2033 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:32,680 ABOUT IT OUT LOUD. THAT IS 2034 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,160 THE MILLION-DOLLAR 2035 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:33,600 QUESTION. 2036 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:34,880 >> DR. WOOD: 2037 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:38,560 THAT IS A TOUGH ONE. 2038 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:45,320 AWARENESS GET YOU SOMEWHERE. 2039 00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:45,960 THAT IS ALL YOU CAN HOPE FOR, 2040 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,360 GETTING PEOPLE 2041 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:46,960 EARLY IN THEIR CAREERS TO 2042 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,400 THINK ABOUT THESE 2043 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,840 ISSUES. 2044 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,080 WE HAD ANOTHER COOL QUESTION. 2045 00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,640 CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU 2046 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,040 FOUND HELPFUL TO 2047 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,240 GET OUT OF THE NEGATIVE SELF 2048 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,120 TALK POSTPARTUM? 2049 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,520 I THINK A LOT OF WOMEN FIND 2050 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:01,960 THEMSELVES HERE. 2051 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,280 THAT IS A GOOD ONE. 2052 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,280 BRING UP THESE CHALLENGING 2053 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:05,760 TOPICS, THIS IS AN 2054 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,600 IMPORTANT ONE. 2055 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,440 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2056 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:14,000 IT'S SO HARD. PARENTING, I 2057 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,680 CALL MINE "HARM 2058 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,320 REDUCTION STRATEGY," KEEP 2059 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,200 THEM A SAFEST 2060 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:25,920 POSSIBLE. IT'S SO HARD TO NOT 2061 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:26,360 HAVE MOMENTS OF 2062 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:27,000 FEELING COMPLETELY DEFICIENT 2063 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,200 IN BOTH AREAS. 2064 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,480 --- I THINK THE BEST THING 2065 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,320 FOR ME WAS THE OTHER 2066 00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:33,920 WOMEN WHO WERE GOING TO THE 2067 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:34,800 SAME THING. LIKE I 2068 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,480 DON'T KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF 2069 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:37,920 FEMALE PHYSICIAN 2070 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,600 FRIENDS WITH KIDS ABOUT THE 2071 00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,440 SAME AGE, LIKE MY 2072 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,280 FRIEND HOSTY (PHONETIC) OR 2073 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,200 CAROLYN. AND WE TEXT 2074 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,920 EACH OTHER TALK TO GET 2075 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,400 THROUGH IT. 2076 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:52,760 BUT, THAT'S THE 2077 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,640 MILLION-DOLLAR QUESTION. 2078 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,120 SELF-ACCEPTANCE. 2079 00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:00,440 WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH THAT. 2080 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:01,040 I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A 2081 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:01,760 GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU; 2082 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,000 I STILL STRUGGLE WITH IT. 2083 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,160 ONE OF THE BABIES IS ONE; THE 2084 01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,000 OTHER IS THREE AND 2085 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,840 HALF. A REALLY ROUGH TIME IN 2086 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,040 THE AMY DEIPOLYI 2087 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,240 HOUSEHOLD NOW. 2088 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:20,440 >> DR. WOOD: 2089 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:20,960 ANY SECRETS TO SHARE? 2090 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:21,520 HOMELESS AND PREGNANT IN 2091 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:28,000 NEW YORK I LEFT THAT QUOTE 2092 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,040 OUT. WE'VE ALL BEEN 2093 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,360 THERE. 2094 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:32,840 WHERE DO YOU FIND THE 2095 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:39,360 STRENGTH TO GATHER, TO 2096 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:39,960 KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE OKAY 2097 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,440 AND IT IS THE RIGHT 2098 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:42,000 MOVE FOR YOU AND IT WILL 2099 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:42,800 CHANGE YOUR TRAJECTORY. 2100 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,440 HOW DO YOU KNOW? 2101 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,600 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2102 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:50,360 SO MY -- MY AUNT TOLD ME 2103 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,240 NOTHING IS PERMANENT. 2104 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:53,840 EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO MAKE A 2105 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,040 BIG MOVE, IF IT IS 2106 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,400 WRONG AND IT DOES NOT WORK 2107 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,000 OUT, YOU CAN CHANGE 2108 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,000 IT. 2109 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,720 IN TERMS OF THE BIG THINGS, I 2110 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,160 THINK BREAKING IT 2111 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,080 DOWN INTO LITTLE PIECES AND 2112 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,640 WELL, I HAVE TO DO 2113 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,240 THIS WHOLE HUGE THING, YOU 2114 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:08,720 THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN 2115 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,840 I DO RIGHT NOW AT THIS 2116 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:11,480 MOMENT? TAKE IT 2117 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,320 STEP-BY-STEP. 2118 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,440 KIND OF LIKE WRITER'S BLOCK. 2119 01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,760 EVEN IF IT IS TOTAL CRAP, PUT 2120 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:22,960 IT ON PAPER. 2121 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,560 MY PHILOSOPHY IS POWER 2122 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,720 THROUGH. 2123 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,360 LIKE ROCK BOTTOM I WAS LUCKY 2124 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,000 ENOUGH TO HAVE 2125 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,840 REALLY CARING FRIENDS. 2126 01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,200 I LITERALLY LIVED -- AT ONE 2127 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,400 POINT I LIVED IN 2128 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,840 AUNT COVI'S APARTMENT AND 2129 01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,240 WITH -- COLLEAGUES OF 2130 01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,840 MINE, I LITERALLY LIVED IN 2131 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,360 THEIR APARTMENTS AND 2132 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,160 THEY OPEN THEIR DOORS. BUT 2133 01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:50,640 YOU DO NOT ALWAYS 2134 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,160 HAVE TO. IF I HAD A BIG 2135 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:54,720 PROBLEM HERE WE WOULD BE 2136 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:55,360 IN TROUBLE BECAUSE WE DO NOT 2137 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:56,320 HAVE A BIG NETWORK 2138 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:56,960 HERE. THAT IS WHAT KEEPS ME 2139 01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,800 UP AT NIGHT. I DON'T 2140 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,400 HAVE GOOD PLANS; WE DO NOT 2141 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,360 HAVE A BIG NET, IT'S 2142 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:06,960 CHALLENGING AND YOU TRY TO 2143 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,560 TAKE IT DAY BY DAY. 2144 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,720 >> DR. WOOD: 2145 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,280 DAVE BURKART WRITES, THANK 2146 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,760 YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE 2147 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,240 AND TENACITY. WHAT A 2148 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:14,840 PHENOMENAL ROLE MODEL. 2149 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,360 THANK YOU FOR THAT. 2150 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,000 OTHER QUESTIONS? 2151 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,320 >> HELLO. 2152 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,720 CAN YOU HEAR ME? 2153 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,280 GREAT, THANKS SO MUCH FOR 2154 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,920 YOUR TALK; THAT WAS 2155 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,520 GREAT, I'M AN MBPH STUDENT AS 2156 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:35,040 WELL, FOURTH YEAR. 2157 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:35,640 I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS BUT 2158 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,040 I WILL ASK JUST ONE 2159 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:37,640 FOR THE SAKE OF TIME. YOU 2160 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,120 MENTIONED THAT BEFORE 2161 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:38,800 YOU WERE REALLY INTERESTED IN 2162 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,280 THE BRAIN AND 2163 01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,040 BEHAVIOR AND EVERYTHING AND 2164 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:42,560 THEN YOU DECIDED YOU 2165 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:46,440 COULD NOT DO NEUROSURGERY 2166 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:46,880 BECAUSE OF ALL THE 2167 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:47,480 HOURS AND EVERY THING ELSE. 2168 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:48,240 AND THEN YOU ENDED 2169 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,080 UP DOING IR WHICH IS ALSO 2170 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,680 PRETTY SURGICAL, AN 2171 01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:54,320 AWFUL LONG HOURS AND WORKING 2172 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,400 EVERY DAY. 2173 01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:57,200 WHAT IS YOUR KIND OF THOUGHTS 2174 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,560 ON HOW THAT ENDED 2175 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:00,880 UP? 2176 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:08,320 AND DOING THIS SIMILAR TYPE 2177 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,680 OF LIFESTYLE AS IF 2178 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,440 YOU HAD BECOME A NEUROSURGEON. 2179 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,560 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2180 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,400 GOOD POINT. MAYBE I WOULD'VE 2181 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:17,840 BEEN HAPPIER AS A 2182 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,520 PSYCHIATRIST, 2183 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,120 I DON'T KNOW BUT I DO LIKE 2184 01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:20,600 USING MY HANDS AND 2185 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,800 DOING INTERVENTION. 2186 01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:22,400 EVERY CAREER WILL HAVE ITS 2187 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,240 CHALLENGES. 2188 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,000 AT THE TIME, THE MODELS OF 2189 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,000 NEUROSURGERY -- THE 2190 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,600 CULTURE MAY HAVE CHANGED BUT 2191 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,360 THERE'S ALSO A LOT 2192 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,800 OF CULTURAL NOT GETTING ALONG 2193 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,240 AMONG PHYSICIANS 2194 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,120 OF THAT WAS ALSO PART OF ME. 2195 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,040 YOU SPEND EIGHT 2196 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,240 YEARS IN TRAINING AND BE IN A 2197 01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:39,720 PLACE WHERE PEOPLE 2198 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,280 SEEM TO -- I DON'T KNOW -- 2199 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,640 MAYBE IT WAS A BIASED 2200 01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,440 LOOK AT IT. 2201 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:49,840 --- 2202 01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,320 PLACES WILL BE DIFFERENT. 2203 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,840 THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT 2204 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:54,400 CULTURES AND DIFFERENT 2205 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:54,880 PLACES AND THERE ARE 2206 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:55,440 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF IR. 2207 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,040 IF I WANTED TO DO THE EASY 2208 01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:56,600 THING I COULD GO TO A 2209 01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:01,840 VEIN CENTER; THERE ARE 2210 01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:02,360 PERMUTATIONS OF EVERY 2211 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,440 CAREER, AND DIFFERENT 2212 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,240 ITERATIONS OF THAT, AT 2213 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,400 DIFFERENT PARTS OF YOUR LIFE. 2214 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:08,720 LIKE I SAID 2215 01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,680 NOTHING IS PERMANENT. SO YOU 2216 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,280 MAY BE ABLE TO GO 2217 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:13,840 PART-TIME. LIKE FOR ME I 2218 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,120 REALLY CAN'T GO 2219 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,040 PART-TIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST 2220 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:19,520 ME; BUT IF YOU HAVE 2221 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:20,480 A PARTNER YOU MAY HAVE MORE 2222 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,080 FLEXIBILITY IN THAT 2223 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:21,600 AND THERE ARE CERTAIN 2224 01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:22,080 INSTITUTIONS THAT CAN 2225 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:26,160 SUPPORT THAT LIKE MAYO CLINIC 2226 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:26,560 HAS A FLEX AWAY 2227 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,480 WHEN YOU CAN COME DOWN TO .6 2228 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:29,960 FTE AND GO BACK UP 2229 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,320 WHEN YOU ARE READY. I FIND 2230 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:32,640 THE BIGGER 2231 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,800 INSTITUTIONS CAN BE 2232 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:35,280 MUCH MORE HELPFUL IN 2233 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,840 SUPPORTING THE FACULTY TO 2234 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:37,480 BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE 2235 01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,600 THAT HAVE FAMILY 2236 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:42,240 NEEDS. NOT JUST FOR WOMEN BUT 2237 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:42,640 EVERYBODY GOES 2238 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:43,640 THROUGH TIMES IN THEIR LIVES 2239 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:44,120 WHEN THEY NEED MORE 2240 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,600 TIME AWAY FROM WORK; THEY 2241 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,080 NEED TO WORK LESS AND 2242 01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,960 THEN WORK MORE. SO YOU HAVE 2243 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,360 TO, WHEN YOU START 2244 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:52,840 LOOKING AT RESIDENCY 2245 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,600 PROGRAMS, LOOKING AT JOBS, 2246 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:55,880 YOU NEED TO DIG DOWN DEEP TO 2247 01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:56,280 FIGURE OUT WHAT 2248 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,680 KIND OF PLACE THAT IS AND 2249 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,240 WHETHER THAT IS GOING 2250 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,000 TO ACCOMMODATE YOU. 2251 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,640 --- FOR EXAMPLE THE PRIVATE 2252 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,840 PRACTICE -- I 2253 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,440 WASN'T INTERESTED IN HAVING 2254 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:06,880 ANY MORE KIDS BUT 2255 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,560 THEY LITERALLY HAVE NO FAMILY 2256 01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:08,800 LEAVE AT ALL, DOES 2257 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:18,840 NOT EXIST. IF YOU ARE A 2258 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:19,400 PERSON THAT IS GOING TO 2259 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,040 HAVE A FAMILY YOU MAY WANT TO 2260 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:20,440 NOT GO THERE TO 2261 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:20,840 THAT JOB. 2262 01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,400 >> THANKS FOR THAT. 2263 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,200 >> JOCELYNE RIVERA: 2264 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,160 WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FROM 2265 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:27,040 LINDA HOE 2266 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,520 (PHONETIC). 2267 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,720 SHE SAID, THANK YOU FOR 2268 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,800 SHARING YOUR LIFE'S 2269 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,560 LESSONS. 2270 01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,200 I WAS SO INSPIRED. 2271 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:38,640 HOW DO YOU HANDLE 2272 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,280 MICRO-AGGRESSION AND EXPLICIT 2273 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:39,680 SEXISM? 2274 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,640 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2275 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,280 I PERSONALLY DECIDED TO WRITE 2276 01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:44,720 ABOUT IT AND TALK 2277 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:45,680 ABOUT IT BUT IT'S TRICKY, 2278 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:46,720 LIKE ON A DAY-TO-DAY. 2279 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:54,440 YOU KNOW LIKE I TRUMP TALKED 2280 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,480 LOCKER ROOM TALK? 2281 01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,040 THAT HAPPENS A LOT IN THE 2282 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,040 FIELD. I LIKE TO READ 2283 01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,160 JOKES LIKE THE BEST OF THEM. 2284 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,720 I KINDA TRY TO ROLL WITH IT. 2285 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,000 BUT THEN, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW 2286 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,640 IF I HAVE A GOOD 2287 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:12,240 ANSWER FOR YOU HERE EITHER, 2288 01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:12,640 BUT IF I FOUND 2289 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,440 SOMEONE -- OKAY THERE WAS 2290 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,160 SOMEONE EARLY ON IN MY 2291 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:21,240 SLOAN-KETTERING DAYS, I WROTE 2292 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:21,720 ABOUT THIS IN THIS 2293 01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:22,320 EDITORIAL WHO BROUGHT ME IN 2294 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,080 THEIR OFFICE AND I 2295 01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:23,720 HAVE BEEN IN PRACTICE FOR TWO 2296 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:24,880 YEARS AND THEY 2297 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:25,440 TOLD ME I SHOULD NOT BE 2298 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:25,920 TAKING ON HIGH-LEVEL 2299 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,600 CASES 2300 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:27,240 AND I WOULD NOT BE READY TO 2301 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,240 HAVE 2302 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,200 TRAINEES WORKING FOR ME FOR 2303 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:30,640 ANOTHER TWO YEARS. 2304 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,640 WELL, ED AND -- 2305 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,240 HAVE BEEN IN PRACTICE FOR THE 2306 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:36,640 SAME AMOUNT OF 2307 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:37,920 TIME AND I HAVE DONE MORE 2308 01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:38,440 THAN THEM BECAUSE IT 2309 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:44,480 WAS BUSIER AT NYU, WHY AM I 2310 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,040 DIFFERENT? 2311 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,280 THAT IS JUST FOR YOU. AND I 2312 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,280 SAID THAT WAS NOT 2313 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:48,920 TRUE AND I DID NOT LISTEN TO 2314 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,280 HIM 2315 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:50,880 WHICH DID NOT RESULT IN THE 2316 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:51,480 BEST PROFESSIONAL 2317 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:52,080 RELATIONSHIP BUT AT THE END 2318 01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:53,800 OF THE DAY -- THE 2319 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,440 BEST THING TO DO IS TO SMILE 2320 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,720 AND THANK THEM. 2321 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,280 BUT IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE. 2322 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:00,920 I DON'T KNOW. 2323 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,000 >> DR. WOOD: 2324 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,080 THANKS FOR SHARING. 2325 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,120 I THINK ONE OF THE ANSWERS IS 2326 01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:08,520 PROBABLY NOT TO 2327 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,240 STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE GROUND 2328 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:11,600 AND NOT JUST 2329 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:13,440 ACCEPT WHAT YOU'RE BEING TOLD. 2330 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,800 I APPRECIATE YOUR SHARING. 2331 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,040 ANY LAST QUESTIONS BEFORE WE 2332 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:18,440 CLOSE? 2333 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,640 >> HAVE A QUICK ONE. 2334 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:22,160 THAT WAS BEAUTIFULLY 2335 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,800 INSPIRING. 2336 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:25,400 ANYONE COULD WALK AWAY AND 2337 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:26,080 GET SOMETHING FROM 2338 01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:32,840 THE TALK; IT KEPT ME 2339 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,120 CAPTIVATED FOR EVERY 2340 01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:37,840 MOMENT. I WAS INTRIGUED BY 2341 01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:38,320 THE TERM 360-DEGREE 2342 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,840 MENTOR. 2343 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:43,480 YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET AWAY 2344 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,440 WITH AT EVERY 2345 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:45,040 MOMENT IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD WITH 2346 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:45,440 YOUR BABIES AND 2347 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,160 TODDLERS. 2348 01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:46,800 BUT HOW DO YOU NAVIGATE THAT 2349 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,520 IN YOUR WORK 2350 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:49,000 ENVIRONMENT? 2351 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:49,600 I KNOW YOU ARE IN A SMALLER 2352 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:53,040 WORK ENVIRONMENT 2353 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:53,600 NOW, BUT PERHAPS YOU HAD 2354 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:54,080 MENTORS WHO WERE LIKE 2355 01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:54,720 THAT BECAUSE YOU GOT SO CLOSE 2356 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,440 TO THEM, YOU WERE 2357 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:57,080 ABLE TO MANAGE THAT, BUT WHAT 2358 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:57,560 IS YOUR PHILOSOPHY 2359 01:07:57,560 --> 01:07:57,960 ON THAT? 2360 01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:59,040 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2361 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:03,440 I THINK IT IS REALLY TRICKY. 2362 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,040 LIKE, WE DO LIVE IN A CLIMATE 2363 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:06,520 NOW FOR WE ARE SO 2364 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,320 CONCERNED ABOUT -- I THINK 2365 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,400 FOR BETTER, NOT FOR 2366 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,360 WORSE, WHAT IS POLITICALLY 2367 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:14,040 CORRECT, WHAT IS 2368 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:14,640 ETHICAL AND COMFORTABLE AND 2369 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,480 NOT WEIRD. 2370 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,440 I THINK IT CAN BE HARD. 2371 01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:19,080 IT'S ALSO HARD AS A WOMAN IN 2372 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,760 THE FIELD WHERE SO 2373 01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,360 MANY OF THE MENTORS ARE MEN. 2374 01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:23,800 IT CAN BE SORT OF 2375 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:24,600 INAPPROPRIATE IF YOU ARE 2376 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:25,840 DOING THINGS OUTSIDE OF 2377 01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,400 WORK. IT'S COMPLICATED. 2378 01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,120 I THINK IT COMES ABOUT VERY 2379 01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:30,800 NATURALLY. 2380 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,720 BUT I WONDER, MAYBE WHEN YOU 2381 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:36,080 ARE MENTORING 2382 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,040 SOMEONE MAYBE NOT RIGHT AWAY 2383 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:38,440 BUT AFTER A TIME 2384 01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:41,640 YOU ASK THEM, WHAT ARE YOUR 2385 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,120 GOALS IN YOUR LIFE? 2386 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:47,000 AND THEN YOU CAN THEN REFLECT 2387 01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,800 ON THAT. 2388 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:49,880 I BROUGHT A LOT OF STUFF 2389 01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,520 ABOUT OH YOU ARE NOT 2390 01:08:53,520 --> 01:09:02,800 GOING TO BE -- ANYMORE, AND 2391 01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:03,160 THEY WON'T BE 2392 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,440 POTENTIAL HUSBANDS. 2393 01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,560 I BROUGHT IT UP MORE IS A 2394 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:08,400 CHALLENGE. HOW CAN WE 2395 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,760 BRING THAT BACK? I DON'T 2396 01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,200 THINK YOU CAN BE 2397 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:10,720 EFFECTIVE IGNORING THE 2398 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,000 PERSONAL SIDE OF PEOPLE'S 2399 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:16,640 LIVES. 2400 01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:17,240 --- I THINK IT'S PROBABLY 2401 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:17,640 THE SELECT FEW 2402 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,240 MENTOR/MENTEE RELATIONSHIPS 2403 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,640 THAT WILL BE ON THAT 2404 01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:20,440 LEVEL. MOST OF THE PEOPLE 2405 01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,240 WILL BE MORE TEMPORARY 2406 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,240 PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND OUT 2407 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:23,720 OVER THE COURSE OF 2408 01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,040 THE YEAR. AND YOU PROBABLY 2409 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:27,880 WON'T HAVE THAT 2410 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,680 ABILITY TO BE THAT 360-DEGREE 2411 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:33,080 MENTOR. ALL THE 2412 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:33,840 ONES THAT GAVE YOU PERSONAL 2413 01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:34,440 ADVICE I HAD KNOWN 2414 01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:38,160 FOR 3-5 YEARS. 2415 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:39,840 >> BY THE WAY I ONLY HAVE 2416 01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,920 DAUGHTERS. MY YOUNGEST 2417 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:42,480 DAUGHTER WHO IS STILL IN 2418 01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:45,640 COLLEGE OR FIRST 2419 01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,520 (CORRECTION) REFERS TO ME AS 2420 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:49,920 "DUDE." 2421 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,440 >> DR. WOOD: 2422 01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:53,040 I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF 2423 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,640 PEOPLE'S TIME. 2424 01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,360 THIS IS BEEN AN AWESOME TALK. 2425 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,960 I WOULD LIKE TO END ON A 2426 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,440 QUOTE FROM LEWIS 2427 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:06,040 CARROLL A PROPO TO THE TOPIC: 2428 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:06,480 WOULD YOU TELL ME 2429 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:09,640 PLEASE WHICH WAY TO GO HERE? 2430 01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:10,200 THAT DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU 2431 01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,880 WANT TO GO SEE THE 2432 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,520 CAT. I DON'T MUCH CARE WHERE 2433 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:14,840 SAID ALICE. 2434 01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:16,600 IT DOES NOT MATTER WHICH WAY 2435 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:17,040 TO GOALSETTING AS 2436 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,040 LONG AS I GET SOMEWHERE ADDED 2437 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:21,400 ADDED AS A 2438 01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,840 CLINICIAN. 2439 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:25,440 FOR SURE YOU WOULD DO THAT 2440 01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:26,040 SAID THE CAT IF YOU 2441 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,640 WALK LONG ENOUGH. AND YOU 2442 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:29,000 HAVE WALKED LONG 2443 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,680 ENOUGH. 2444 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:31,280 WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND 2445 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:31,640 EVER BODY FOR 2446 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:32,280 PARTICIPATING AND JOINING 2447 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,640 TODAY. 2448 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,960 THANK YOU TO JOCELYNE FOR 2449 01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:43,360 JUMPING IN AND 2450 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:48,440 CHAIRWOMANING THIS NEW SERIES 2451 01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:48,840 AND LOOK FORWARD 2452 01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,720 FOR THE COOL LECTURES. CAN'T 2453 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,720 WAIT TO HEAR THEM 2454 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:54,360 HONESTLY. THANK YOU EVERYBODY 2455 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:54,800 FOR BEING A PART 2456 01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:55,200 OF IT. 2457 01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,920 AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. 2458 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:00,680 JOCELYNE, ANY CLOSING 2459 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,120 COMMENTS? 2460 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,080 >> JOCELYNE RIVERA: 2461 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:03,680 THANK YOU EVERYONE, I ENJOYED 2462 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,320 THIS. 2463 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,800 I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 2464 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,840 IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING. 2465 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,480 THANK YOU. 2466 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:09,760 >> DR. DEIPOLYI: 2467 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,720 THANKS GUYS. 2468 01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,000 >> DR. WOOD: 2469 01:11:11,000 --> 00:00:00,000 THANK YOU.