>> GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I WANT TO THANK YOU YOU GUYS FOR COMING OUT. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR MONTHLY FOCUS ON YOUR WELLNESS LECTURE SERIES. AND I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO YOU MS. JANET DE JESUS, THE NUTRITIONIST FROM THE NATIONAL HEART, LUNG AND BLOOD INSTITUTE. AND TODAY'S LECTURE WILL BE ON EATING FOR A HEALTHY HEART. THANK YOU. >> THANKSES, CHRIS. THANK YOU FOR ORGANIZING THE SEMINAR. I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. I HOPE ALL OF YOU LEARN A LOT TODAY. AND WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU IN THE ROOM AND ALSO THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE WATCHING ON YOUR COMPUTER. TODAY, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT EATING SMART FOR A HEALTHY HEART. SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND KEEP IT REALLY PRACTICAL AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN LEARN SOME GOOD TAKE-HOME MESSAGES. I'LL START OFF WITH SOME BRIEF HEALTH STATISTICS AND THEN REALLY GET TO THE MAIN POINT. SO THESE ARE THE OBJECTIVES. I'M GOING TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT OF HEART DISEASE IN THE U.S. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LEARN ABOUT THE RISK FACTORS FOR HEART DISEASE. AND THEN, MOST IMPORTANTLY, LEARN ABOUT HOW GOOD NUTRITION CAN DECREASE YOUR HEART DISEASE RISK FACTORS. OKAY? SO YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ABOUT THE ALARMING TRENDS OF HEALTH IN THE U.S. THESE DAYS. IT'S ALL OVER THE MEDIA. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK SNIP IT, THESE ARE THE TEN LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH IN THE U.S., AND HEART DISEASE STILL REMAINS TO BE THE NUMBER ONE KILLER, UNFORTUNATELY. EVEN FOR WOMEN, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK BREAST CANCER MAY BE THE NUMBER ONE KILLER, BUT IT'S STILL HEART DISEASE. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE TWO DIFFERENT COLORS ON THIS BAR. I KNEW SOMEONE WAS GOING TO ASK ME THAT QUESTION. LET'S SEE HERE. I KNOW. SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO RESEARCH THAT. BUT I WILL GET BACK TO YOU AFTER THE TALK. SO WHY THE INCREASE IN ALL OF THESE RISK FACTORS? THERE'S MULTIPLE CAUSES. LIFESTYLE, ENVIRONMENT, ON THE SMALL SCALE, GENETICS. FOR WEIGHT, THERE'S DEFINITELY A CALORIE IMBALANCE. SO WE'RE EATING MORE, WE'RE MOVING LESS, THAT'S NO SURPRISE. THERE'S HOW WE'RE REMOVING CALORIES. WE'RE EATING OUT MORE often. Eating in ess. There's been increases in soda and candy consumption. And, to add to that, we're burning up fewer calories. There's declines in physical activity levels and increases in screen time. Screen time used to be just television. But, as you all know, now we have lots more screens. Way too many for adults and children. So are you at risk for heart disease? I'm hoping that all of you participating today can learn about your risk factors so you can take some actions. So the good news is there are risk factor that is you can change, all right. There's something that you can do about these things. And the ones in red are the risk factors that I'm going to cover today. First of all, overweight, high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, diabetes, physical inactivity and smoking. And, unfortunately, the risk factor that is you can't change are your age -- we all wish you could freeze in time. It's not possible. So, for example, a risk factor for heart disease is the age 45 or older for men and 55 or older for women. And family history. So if you have a father or a brother with heart disease before the age of 55 or a mother or a sister with heart disease before the age of 65. So the risk factors that I'm going to discuss today are, as I mentioned, they multiply their effects. So, for example, if you have no risk factors, that's in the first bar. If you have one risk factor, you can see how your level of heart disease risk increases. Two risk factors and three or more. So that's why you really want to pay attention to how many risk factors you have. So this has been a surprise. These are the numbers for children and adolescents who are obese. So this isn't overweight, this is actually obese. And it is definitely increased over the years. There's been a sign that it's leveling off and we really hope that it has and it continues to level off and, perhaps, get lower. This is sea real crisis. And these are the numbers for adults. As you can see, way back in 1990, there were, you know, just the blue colors and then now we had to add, you know, up to 2007, there were new colors added because the obesity trends were really increasing for adults. You've probably seen this before. So for overweight, definitely people pay a heavy price. There's so many risk factors or problems related to being overweight. Type II diabetes, high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, you know, even at least low self esteem, poor body image. I won't read all of these tw to you, but there are severe effects. So the good news, hopefully we can talk about the good news for the rest of this talk. Heart disease can be prevented or controlled. Treatments include lifestyle changes, and, if needed, possibly medication. So nutrition tips for weight loss. So I tried to put together my best tips, you know, that are also evidence-based that I've learned. And practical tips that you can kind of take home. My first main one is don't drink your calories. So I don't know if you know that there's a lot of beverages out there that have way too many calories. So, for example, there's a lot of, like, fruity drinks, even the coffee, you know, mixed drink can contain a lot of calories. So, for example, your favorite place, if you do get your coffee out, you can ask for the nutrition information to really find out how much calories are in those drinks. Sodas, of course, contain a lot of calories. And I'll show you an example of that today. So my best tip is to eat your calories instead of drinking your calories, if possible. Fruit juice, in moderation, I would say. I would definitely not say don't have fruit juice, but in a smaller portion. So the gentleman next to me has a, you know, small bottle of hundred percent fruit juice. When there's a much larger size of fruit juice, so definitely in moderation. So if you can, bring your lunch. Or, when you eat out, you know, I'm going to give you some tips. So for example, the NIH cafeterias have some great choices. There's a beautiful salad bar and some other great choices. There's also some tempting choices. If you can, go to the good ones. The dietitians have been really working hard to get a variety of choices. So I know when I don't have time to make my lunch, I can always find something healthy. I just have to stay away from the pizza line because it looks so good. And read the nutrition facts labels. When you're buying your food in the grocery store, compare things. There is a large different type of calories in different types of foods. If you really pay attention, it's an eye opener. If you are trying to lose weight or make changes, keep a food journal. It keeps you honest. It makes you think when you're eating, okay, do I really want to write that down? And if you look at the end of the day or the end of the week, you can really see what kinds of foods you're eating. So that's been shown and researched to be successful and to help people and lose weight. Use smaller cups, bowls, plates. It seems like -- I'll show you an example that plates have gotten bigger, especially when you eat out. Sometimes they bring you, you know, a platter instead of a plate. So especially when you're at home and you can control it, eat in smaller cups and bowls. So try to eat slower. I know we're in a rush, rush society. And I'm guilty of that. I think I'm always in a hurry. But if you can, eat slower and really savor and enjoy your food. Enjoy each bite, especially if it's something, you know, like a special desert or something that should really be enjoyed. People who tend to eat faster could potentially eat more calories. So eat only when you're hungry. I know a lot of people eat by schedule and, you know, just to eat. Or eat because of the, you know, social occasion or something. So really try and listen to your stomach and your body of when you are actually hungry and not just eat to eat. So this is a sample showing you one can of soda. So I'm going to give you a quiz. If you drink one regular soda, which is about a 12-ounce can, every one each day for a year, how much sugar do you think that is? And this is in pounds. >> 12-ounce? >> Yeah, 12-ounce. I should have brought a sample. There's about 40-grams. Someone is trying to do their math here. Do you want me to give you the answer? Okay, the answer is 30 pounds. So this is always shocking. There's about 40-grams of sugar in one 12-ounce soda. So you can see cumulative. And this is if you just have one soda. For example, I know some people have more than one soda. Or more than one, you know, sugar-sweetened beverage or coffee, you know, the mixed drink. So, in general, how much weight would you lose if you switched from soda to a, you know, sugar-free beverage or water? How much -- how many pounds? These guys are thinking hard. Anyone else? About 15.5. So I actually saw this happen. My eighth grade teacher, she was my home economics teacher, she switched from soda to water and she lost about this amount. It was interesting. So it's before my nutrition days. It shows you how -- what I'm hoping to emphasize today is that small changes can make a big difference. So you don't have to do everything at once. Today, I'm going to talk about a lot of, you know, a few different risk factor, but a lot of different changes. You can just pick one, start off with one and make it a lifestyle change and not just make it a diet because we all know that diets aren't fun. They're hard to be successful, long term. So this is about making, you know, lifestyle changes. For long term. So this just shows you, just an example of how serving sizes have changed. You know, way back when, I know when I was in kindergarten, these eight ouncer, those were kind of in vogue. And now I see little kids walking around with the 20-ouncers. It gives me heart palpitations. So I don't think anyone -- this is my personal opinion, but I don't think anyone needs regular soda. I think there's a lot of other good, tasty drinks, you know, flavored water or plain water. So tips for eating out. I know everyone likes to eat out. It's social. It's relaxing. These are some tips for controlling calories and eating healthier. It seems like, you know, when we go out, we're always tempted with a lot of choices and sometimes, in general, people may eat more when they eat out. So if you can order an appetizer or only eat half the entree, perhaps avoid buffets if you're trying to lose weight or control your weight because it's just so tempting. I don't know anyone who can go to a buffet and just really control it well. Don't be afraid to ask for substitutions. So, for example, if your meal comes with fries, you can ask them to give you steamed vegetables. I do that all of the time. And they never say no. Share an entree with a friend. If you order salads, order with the dressing on the side because salads aren't automatically healthy. They can include a lot of dressing which adds calories. So just an example of larger portion sizes. This was a paper done by Young and Nestle showing the changes in dinner plate size. So these are just the plate that is you buy at the store. So, for example, when I got married -- how many years? SecSeven years ago and we registered for our dishes, I couldn't believe it. They're literally this big. So I had opted for the little desert plates. Really, if you eat off of that big plate, that's a lot of food. It's definitely too large. I use the larger ones for platters. They really are the size of a latter. So on the NIH web site, there's an activity called portion distortion. So it demonstrates in general how portions have changed over the last 20 years. So I'm going to give you one sample here. So 20 years ago, a turkey sandwich was about 320-calories. So, today, how many calories do you think? I heard 1,000. 1250. 1700. So this -- yeah. And I guess the answer is you're probably all right. For those of you listening on the web cast, there were -- there's a variety of numbers. I mean, it can get really high. We probably were conservative with the 820. We went with the average. But it can be really high. I mean, if you get those with lots of cheese, and, you know, dressing or mayo. So the calorie difference is about 500-calories. So if you think about, okay, if I eat more, if I want to maintain my weight, what am I going to have to do now? I'm going to have to exercise or get moving. Do some physical activity. So how long will you have to bike to burn up about 500-calories? >> One hour. >> I heard one hour. So this, for a small -- this is for 130-pound person, sorry, that's small. It's about 1 hour 25 minutes. I should have brought prizes for the people in the room. I apologize. So if you can see, when we eat more, you know, if you want to maintain your weight or not gain, then we're going to have to be more active. In my mind, it's easier just to eat less. With my busy life, I don't have time to be as active as I'd like you to be. And I sit all day. So here's the nutrition facts label. So I'm just going to give you a quick tour of it. So, at the top, you start with the serving size. So you should know that just because it's in a packet doesn't mean it's one serving. So, like, for example, a bag of chips could have ten servings. I should have brought my little samples. So always look at the serving side. It doesn't mean that you should only eat one serving. So, for example, cereal, the serving may be one cup. It's okay that you have two, but the calories are going to be multiplied. Times two. So you have your calories. And then the nutrients that you want to limit are the saturated fat and transfat and we'll talk about that more. Now, daily value on the right side, this is confusing to a lot of people. Basically, what this is, this is for a 2,000-calorie diet. Daily value is telling you, so for example, this food, you look at the saturated fat, it has 15% of saturated fat for the whole day. So, for example, say this is a breakfast item and you're going to have this. That means this is 15% of your sat fat that is recommended to have in a day. So if you compare food labels of two different items, like a high-fat meat compared to a lower one, you may want to choose the lower one to be healthier. You'll be surprised at the numbers, if you start looking at the daily value, how high some of them can be, especially for sodium. And another point to know is that 5% or less is considered low. So if you're looking for a low-sodium food, look for the 5% or less. In 20% or more, it's high. So, for example, here, the sodium is on -- is right at high. And we'll talk more about sodium. So next I'm going to move from weight control to cholesterol treatment. So these are just some of the trends. Over the years, this was from '88 to about 2008. Cholesterol levels have gone down. And we're definitely happy about that. There's still a lot of people with uncontrolled high cholesterol. So some tips to control high cholesterol. Definitely reduce saturated fat, transfat and cholesterol. I would say saturated fat and transfat are definitely the most important. And all of these things, I'm going to give you examples. Increased soluble fiber. And I'll show you what that is. Also, keep a healthy weight. Healthy weight and physical activity really affect most cardiovascular risk factors. If you are able to get to a healthy weight and be active, it's going to affect a lot of your risk factors. So saturated fat. These are some of the foods that are high in saturated fat. Think about your meats, dairy products, milk, cheese, ice cream, your poultry with the skin on it is also high, your lard, butter, those types of things. You can see the marbling that's on the steak, it's high in saturated fat. So if you do have high cholesterol, it's something that you really want to watch. So foods that are lower in saturated fat, I always want to give you the positive. Fish, vegetable oil, you know, all of your fruits and vegetables being your tub margarine, your lower-fat milk. I think a lot of people are surprised about the milk. They don't realize how much saturated fat is in milk. So if you're still at the whole milk or 2%, it's time to move to the lower fat. It's not only lowering your saturated fat, but will also lower your calorie intake. So transfat, this kind of became in vogue a few years ago. It's a different kind of fat that was found to negatively impact cholesterol levels. So these are in fried foods, for example. It used to be in stick margarine, but I think the food processors are trying to take it out of stick margarine now. So this was added to the food label I believe in 2006. So now you can actually look on your food label and see how much transfat is in there. But when that policy was enacted, a lot of the food companies started taking out the transfat of the food. So that's definitely a good thing. And there's also a lot of local policies where restaurants are encouraged to use a different type of oil that's transfat free. So, really, transfat is an issue. I would say saturated fat is probably more of an issue because, you know, we still eat a lot of -- I think in the dietary survey, it's pizza was the number one food that's high in saturated fat. So increased soluble fiber, you've probably seen those Cheerio's commercials, you know, oatmeal marketing that says that it lowers your cholesterol and it actually does. I would probably encourage more of the whole oats, though, you know, oatmeal, oat bran probably have more of the oat. So this is soluble fiber. So there's two types of fiber, insoluble fiber which you may have heard your grandma or your mom call roughage, and then soluble fiber. Soluble fiber is the one that's good for your cholesterol. It's in oats, it's in beans, legumes and several types of fruits. As you can see, your citrus fruits, your apples. So, again, we're seeing another theme. You want to keep a healthy weight, you want to be active, and then, also, fruits and vegetables. You probably heard this so many times, but it really is effective in making you healthier. Now I'm going to switch over to high blood pressures. This is another major risk factor for heart disease. So my stat that you may not be able to read at the bottom of the screen, about 30% of adults have high blood pressure. Okay. And this was in the 2005-2008 survey. So that's definitely a large number. So, normal blood pressure is considered 120/80. So some tips that I'll go over today to help prevent or control high blood pressure are to decrease sodium intake, limit alcohol, watch your weight. And, if needed, you know, take blood pressure medication. We've heard just through, you know, surveys, that sometimes people with high blood pressure, they start taking their medication and then, you know, it will get better and then they'll stop taking it. So work with your doctor. I mean, if they encourage you to take a medication, you really need to take it every day to make it work. So instead of going on medication, it is possible to control blood pressure with lifestyle and healthy eating. And one way is to reduce salt and sodium. So I'm going to give you some tips. The tip on the bottom may be one of the most important eating more meals at home, and I'll show you an example. But when we eat out, the amount of sodium is really high. I'll go over the other tips, first. So if you can, buy fresh or frozen vegetables. And fruits for snacks instead of like your chips or crackers. If you use can products, look for no-salt added versions. Choose fewer processed or canned foods. So, like, hot dogs, sausage, bacon and lunchmeat, those are all pretty high in sodiums. And if you can try different herbs and seasonings instead of salt. So, first of all. Packaged meals. Just to give you a reference for this, the recommended amount on the food label right now for someone to eat in a day for sodium is 2300 or less. So you want to be below that number. So, for example, in a Hungryman Carved Turkey, it's about 5400. So this is more than double the daily limit. Let's see, Boston Market Meat Sirloin with Noodles. 2200. So that's about the highest level. So you can see these Oscar Meyer Lunchbles, 1940. I know a lot of busy parents feed their kids Lunchbles. I would advise against doing so. They're not really healthy. They'rI'm probably not supposed to say brand names, but they have a lot of sodium in them. So sodium in restaurants. These are some examples. So cheese fries with ranch is about 4800. A large sandwich, 4500. Let's see here. Like a house lo mein, 3400. So you can see, you know, this is way over a daily limit. So one meal, you know, eaten out can completely blow you out of the water for sodium. So it's pretty difficult, unfortunately, when you eat out. So here's some tips for grocery shopping for heart health. So if you can, you know, shop the perimeter, you may have heard this before. If you think about it, most of the healthy and fresh foods are around the perimeter. And buy fruits and vegetables when they are in-season. They're likely to be cheaper and there's a different variety. I know we all love our spring and summer produce, but the winter is actually not too bad. There's actually some good variety. If you can, plan weekly meals. Planning will help you, you know, plan ahead your meals, you know, have a healthy meal, either made ahead of time or you know what you're going to cook when you get home. So I think what happens is that, you know, we're all so busy, we're on our way home, we don't feel like cooking and, you know, we pick up fast food or something like that. So if you can really plan, maybe do some cooking on the weekend, maybe do some crock pot meals, that can help you eat healthier. Shop with a list. It's so tempting when you see lots of other items. But if you have a list, you know, stick with it. It will help you buy healthy items. Look for sales and shop on a full stomach. You know, when I was pregnant and I used to go shopping, I used to tell my husband don't go shopping when you're pregnant. I would just come home with all of this food. It was just not appropriate. (Laughter) >> so my joke of the day, be physically active. I can't even imagine this picture. I actually heard that if you have a dog, it increases people's physical activity for those that walk them. so it's a great strategy. so the physical activity guidelines for Americans, they encourage children to be active, moderator vigorous. so that's really, you know, moving one hour a day. for adults, they say two and a half hours per week at a moderate level, and then one hour, 15 minutes vigorous. so vigorous is really like, you know, cycling or really walking fast or jogging or playing a game or something. so try and think, you know, in your life, if you're meeting these physical activity recommendations. it is hard. I know with working. I've heard the best time to get in your physical activity is the morning. so it's done -- I know, it doesn't work for me. I see people in the audience saying I have a two- and a five-year-old. so mornings for me are not pleasant. but when I was in college, I worked out in the morning, and that was great -- or when I was single. so do what works for you. if you can find one time each day, if you're able to get some exercise in at lunch, you know, go to the -- the NIH has these fitness centers. they have these great classes if you're able to participate in those. you know, find a buddy. find a partner that you can go walk with. I know it's hard getting it in, but, really, you just have to think what works for you and what you like. for an example, in my life, I've always been successful when I have, you know, a partner. so I like to run. so if I find, like, a friend in the neighborhood that I can do it with and you make each other accountable, that's really helpful. so even if one of you doesn't feel like it that day, you can drag the other one outside. and if you do have kids, you know, try and make it a family affair. you know, after dinner, you know, go for a walk. you know, play outside. in fact, if the weather is yucky, put on some music and dance. we do that a lot. I'm sure my neighbors are probably looking in the window thinking that we're crazy. and we like to dance. it actually works up a sweat. >> question. in terms of physical activity guidelines, can you discuss two and a half hours a week? that can be broken down to 30 minutes a day. the point being is that as you're going through the day, if you look at breaking down the two and a half hours to 30 minutes a day. and then you can break it down further during the course of the day. >> yeah, that's a great point. and I'll repeat it just in case those others didn't hear. so Chris was saying that you can break up your physical activity, even down to 10-minute increments. and that's absolutely correct. so, really, the point is getting this total in and figuring out how to do it you know, even if, you know, you're not able to take a longer break, you know, take a ten-minute, you know, fast-paced walk outside, or even in the hallways or go up and down the stairs. do different types of activities. even, you know, think about -- I know your morning is crazy, but if you're able to have 15 minutes to yourself on an exercise bike or doing a yoga routine, it's definitely a great strategy. I used to be so -- I wanted to do an hour. and if I didn't do an hour, it wasn't successful and my husband would say just go. even if it's 30 minutes or 20 minutes, it's better than nothing. so I think that's a great tip. so whatever you can do, you know, is going to be helpful to you. so thanks, Chris, it's a good point. so talking about your heart disease risk factors. hopefully, you know, working with your primary care doctor and getting, like, an annual physical. have a heart-to-heart with your doctor. ask about your risk for heart disease. have some list of questions before you visit. and we probably have a goodiest on the NIHL web site. you can write down or perhaps even tape record, if you doctor lets you, you know, what they say. I know sometimes when I leave the doctor, I'm like "What did she say?"a so, you know, really bring your pad and paper. they'll be fine with that. you know, talk to your doctor about lifestyle behaviors, such as smoking, being physically active. so key tests for heart disease risks. blood pressure, of course. hopefully, you're getting that annually. blood cholesterol, which is actually lipid profiles. you can have a nonfasting one. they do those at health fairs and things like that. that can be a good measure. and the important part of cholesterol is your L.D.L. cholesterol. that's your bad cholesterol. and then your H.D.L. cholesterol is your good cholesterol. so those two numbers are important to know. the total cholesterol isn't as important. so you really want to know your break down. so if you want the write that down, your L.D.L. and your HDL are important to find out. so you want to have a fasting plasma and glucose taken. so this is your blood sugar. so test for diabetes. there's a -- I don't have stats right in my head, but, you know, there's a large number of undiagnosed, you know, people with diabetes. it can be dangerous and have negative effects. so talk to your doctor about that if you've never had a glucose test as an adult. also, B.M.I. and weight circumference. this is just a measure if your weight is in the healthy weight category or in the overweight or obese category. and, hopefully, your physician is, you know, weighing you when you go to your visit. and, so, for high-risk tests, and this would be, you know, recommended by your doctor, they may recommend, like, an E.K.G. or a stress test. so if they think you're a higher risk and they want to see about your heart function, they may suggest this. so just briefly, I just want to give you a quick run down of some NHL tools that we have on the web site. they're all free. we have a We Can program and it stands for ways to enhance children's activities. so if you have kids or you're a grandparent and you're seeing your kids caring for your grand kids, this is tips for keeping, you know, kids at a healthy weight. so lots of tips, posters, you know, tool kits to really help you and your family be healthier. I'm sorry about these blurry pictures. so we have a number of other resources and there's NIH recipe books, we have our deliciously healthy dinners, deliciously healthy family meals. and these are all free. so you can go -- there's a link at the top. or if you google NHLBI healthy eating, it will come upright away. and all of these recipes are free. so you can down load the entire book, but you can also look at different categories, so, for example, entrees or brunch items. we've worked with the NIH cafeteria feature items. I think they feature some for American heart month, so you may have tried some of them in the cafeteria. so please take advantage of these. these new publications were actually created by a chef, a professional chef. and he really worked with us to create, like, new recipes that were kind of in vogue and different and diverse but also healthy and good. and the family meals are pretty simple. so thing that is you can actually cook with your kids and get them involved. and they were also tested by kids. so we really wanted the kids to like the family meals. so some other resources that may be helpful to you. we have NHLBI Your Guides. and what this is, these are kind of in-depth guides. we have long versions and shorter versions of guides. for example, how to lower your blood pressure with a dash eating plan, how to lower your cholesterol with our therapeutic lifestyle changes. living with heart disease. so if you know someone who is -- who has heart disease or has had a heart attack, it gives you tips to kind of maintain your heart health or get back to your heart health. so please visit the NHLBI web site. there's a lot of great resources. I believe you can receive, like, one copy of different items if you request it. so this is about it. this is the link to the NHLBI web site. and if there's any questions in the room, I'd be happy to answer them. >> I get the idea that eating a bran muffin is better for you than eating a regular muffin? >> so the question in the room was he asked if eating a bran muffin rather than another type of muffin is better. the answer is yes and no. muffins are tricky. depending on where you get them, they can be healthy or they could have a lot of fat and a lot of calories. so definitely bran is, you know, higher in fiber. so where the other muffins probably don't have a lot of fiber. but depending on where you get it and the size of it, sometimes, muffins just can be, you know, really high in fat and calories. so that's a great question. but it's definitely a good start. I know a lot of restaurants are starting to serve them. and they're a smaller size. so that's a good way to start. anymore questions from the room? >> oh, that's a great question. I'm going to repeat it for those who may be watching on the web cast. so the question in the room was I had encouraged using other, you know, types of herbs and spices instead of salt. some of them do contain, those mixes, do contain -- so for example, garlic salt, instead of onion powder, there's onion salt. so definitely go for the one that is don't have the salt. so they do have a garlic powder, you know, as opposed to the garlic salt. and I think the spice seasonings and mixes that you can buy, you can buy ones that are lower in sodium. so that's where you want to read the label. but that's a great question. because I use my garlic powder on everything. I just sprinkle it on. it actually makes a big difference. it doesn't have any sodium, it's flavorful, it gives you great breath for the evening. (Laughter) >> so great question. we actually have in our education materials when we go out in the community. so any other -- hmm hmm? I know. yeah. >> yeah, so I can definitely talk to that. the question, for those of you who may not have heard was, for example, the frozen meals, you know, you think they're healthy but then they may be higher in sodium. and there's also lots of different diets out there. there's lots of different nutrition information. I completely agree with you. it's like once there's a study about one thing, people say this is good for you and it can be very confusing. so my best tip, first, to your point about the frozen meals, some of them aren't too bad. for example, the healthy choice to have the word healthy on it, they have to have certain parameters. and I think the sodium may be a little bit high. but it's not terrible. I think it's a good strategy for portion control. so I think the calorie range is really good. and, you know, they're trying to include, you know, more fiber. and they're not high in fat or anything. so if that works for you, I don't think it's a bad thing. you know, the Lean cuisines are really controlled. they even have store brands now. Safeway has their own healthy version. if that works for you and you like it, you know, perhaps watch your sodium in other areas. if you're going to have something with that, just have some, you know, fruits, you know, or carrots on the side or, you know, something that doesn't have sodium. but I think it's an okay strategy. I keep them in my fridge so that if I'm not able to cook, my husband can have one. and I don't feel so guilty. so, you know, you just have to figure ( plan. and gu menu. so it real okay, if I want to get to 2300 or 1500, what are the types of foods? and it's a lot of whole grains. it's lots of fruits and vegetables, low-fat dairy, lean meats. it's not only good for blood pressure, but it's also good for cholesterol and perhaps, you know, weight control if it helps you lower your calories. >> that's a great question. the question was if someone is on high blood pressure medication, how easy is it to get off the medication or if you actually could. I think it is possible to control all of these risk factors with lifestyle. so for blood pressure control, you know, weight is important. so even a small weight loss can help, you know, keep your blood pressure under control. watching your sodium, definitely. another tip is potassium intake. so that's where, you know, the dash eating plan comes in. so, in general, if you lower your sodium intake, your potassium is going to go up. so that's in fruits and vegetables. that's the basic point. you kind of see the theme with eating, you know, more fruits and vegetables and less processed food. you're going to get more of the good things and, you know, less of the bad. so I, you know, firmly believe that people can control, you know, these risk factors. I mean, you have to think about family history. >> hypertension, for some groups, it's more prevalent. it's definitely more prevalent in African Americans. it's a higher risk. so it may be harder. so for example, even in cholesterol, there's something called factors mea father and mother Melia hypercholesterol. in my family, we have that program. so we have to work really hard with lifestyle. but hypertension is one of those -- it is, some groups unfortunately are at higher risk for it and you may have to work harder at it, you know, especially with weight control. physical activity also helps. so, you know, being physically active, losing weight, keeping a healthy weight, you know, watching sodium, increasing potassium. so definitely check out your dash eating plan. and even if you want to write down your e-mail, you know, I'd be happy to send you links. we've gotten testimonials from people in the public that have written in and said I went on the dash eating plan or I've changed my lifestyle and I lowered my blood pressure and, you know, that really makes me happy, too. we like to help people. so, if possible to do it, you know, without drugs. not saying medication is bad, but, you know, if you can do it by lifestyle and it's not only good for your blood pressure, but it's good for so many things. you know, for all of your other risk factors. yes, I wouldn't recommend going off the medications. oh, yeah. um-hmm. absolutely. great. so the question is, for, if you're in like a pre-hypotensive area, you know, if you could start with lifestyle. and I would definitely recommend that. so see what you can do, you know, with eating, you know, being more physically active. and, you know, so it's a great accomplishment, if you can do that. so -- and get, you know, the rest of your family involved. get your friends involved. don't be afraid to tell someone, hey, you know, my blood pressure is getting high. I need your help. you know, and I'm sure they'd be glad to help you because they love you. did you have a question? >> such a great question. the question is if there's an application that you can find out what's in your food when you're eating. there's a lot of them now in the government and non-government. so for example, the U.S.D.A. has the My Plate and they have a calculator in there where you can enter in all of your foods. it's great because you have a log in and have your favorite foods. if you have yogurt every day, that's already in there and you can add that in. check that out. I know there's a lot of other sites. I know on Lance Armstrong's Livestrong site, there's a calculator. and depending on what type of phone you have, if you have a fancy phone, there's lots of applications where you can enter in your foods. and that's helpful. I recommend when people are watching things or they're trying to lose weight or, you know, make some changes, you know, that knowing you have to know first, like, what you are eating. how do we know how many calories we're eating? that's a tough question. so, really, keeping a log or doing it online where it calculates it for you is a great strategy. so good question. any other questions in the room? okay. well, you guys have been fantastic. and thank you all for coming.