>> GOOD MORNING. I'M VERY PLEASED FOR THIS INTERGROUP MEETING AND ALSO I'M HAPPY TO INTRODUCE DR. ALEXANDRA MCPHERRON. DR. MCPHERRON IS A -- 2005 AND SHE HAS A BACHELOR'S DEGREE FROM UC DAVIS -- JOHNS HOPKINS SCHOOL OF MEDICINE. SHE CONTINUED HER POST DOC TRAINING AT HOPKINS UNTIL SHE JOINED NIH IN 2005. AND SHE HAS A VERY INTERESTING PUBLICATION INCLUDING -- MANY OTHER DISEASE JOURNALS. AND SHE HAS BEEN MANY LECTURES AND SERVED AS A REVIEWER PEER REVIEW JOURNALS AND ALSO -- SHE'S ALSO ON THE BOARD FOR THE -- JOURNAL AND SHE WROTE A NUMBER OF -- AND SHE INCLUDE -- SCIENTIST AWARD IN 2010 AND AWARD FOR SCIENTISTS AND ENGINEERS IN 2006 AND EARLY -- AND SHE HOLDS A NUMBER OF TILES TOO. TODAY SHE'LL BE PRESENTING HER TEAM'S WORK ME METABOLOMICS WORKS -- THIS IS A TGF PROTEIN DISCOVERED BY HER TEAM AND SHE HAS EXTENSIVE -- THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. TODAY I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT TGF-BETA FAMILY MEMBER GROWTH FACTOR CALLED MYOSTATIN AND I'LL BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT MYOSTATIN SIGNALING BECAUSE SOME OF THIS WILL COME UP LATER. MYOSTATIN IS FIRST SYNTHESIZED BY OTHER TGF-BETAS AS A PROPEPTIDE -- SORRY, TO SEPARATE THE PROPEPTIDE FROM THE MATURE SULFIDE LINK DIMER. IT ACTUALLY BINDS TO THE RECEPTOR. ONE OF THE RECEPTORS IS ACTIVE IN TYPE TWO B AND ALSO BINDS TO TYPE TWO A RECEPTOR BUT HAS A STRONG AFFINITY FOR THE TYPE 2B RECEPTOR. ONCE THIS BINDING OCCURS, SIGNALING DOES NOT OCCUR UNTIL ITSING COMPLEX ASSOCIATES WITH A TYPE ONE RECEPTOR, IN THIS CASE KINASE 4 OR 5. AND THE HERET HETERO MAKER COMPLEX THAT SIGNALS. MYOSTALTEN IS FOUNMYOSTATIN IS FOUND IN CIRCULATION HIGHER IN MOUSE THAN IN HUMANS. IT'S NOT ACTIVE, IT'S ACTUALLY IN AN INACTIVE COMPLEX MOST OF WHICH IS THE PROPEPTIDE BOUND TO 9 TERMINATOTHE TERMINAL MATURE REGION. IT BREAKS IN HALF AND THIS ALLOWS MYOSTATIN TO BIND TO THE RECEPTOR. SO IN THEORY, MYOSTATIN COULD ACT ON ANY TARGET SITE THAT HAS A PROTEASE THAT COULD CLEAR THE PROPEPTIDE. WE KNOW FROM MUTATING THE PROPEPTIDE DONE AT JOHNS HOPKINS SO THAT THAT SITE DOES NOT EXIST, THAT YOU THEN GET THE SAME PHENOTYPE AS MYOSTATIN. IT'S ALSO FOUND COMPLEX TO FULL STATIN LIKE 3 AND GAS ONE TO OTHER PROTEINS THAT CAN BE BOUND TO MYOSTATIN IN SERUM TO INHIBIT BINDING TO THE RECEPTOR. SO MYOSTATEMENT I MYOSTATIN -- MOUSE EMBRY O, AND THE PURPLE THAT YOU SEE IS FROM THE HYBRIDIZATION WITH THE MYOSTATIN PROBE AND IT CORRESPONDS TO THE MYOTOME IN THE EMBRYO WHICH WILL GO ON TO FORM THE MUSCLES OF THE BODY. ON THE RIGHT IS THE BLOT OF ADULT TISSUES AND YOU CAN SEE A VERY STRONG SIGNAL IN SKELETAL MUSCLE IN DELTA 12. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THE SAME SIGNAL IN WHITE FAT. SO THE FUNCTION OF MYOSTATIN, WE KNOCKED IT OUT IN MICE AND ON THE UPPER LEFT, THOSE TWO PANELS SHOW YOU THE WALL TYPE AND MYOSTATIN KNOCKOUT MOUSE. WE WERE EXPECTING PERHAPS KNOCKING IT OUT WOULD INHIBIT, WOULD CAUSE THE DECREASE OR DEFECT IN SKELETAL MUSCLE DIFFERENTIATION. INSTEAD WE FOUND THE OPPOSITE AND SKULL TEL SKELETAL MUSCLES ARE TWICE THE SIZE -- IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE NATURALLY OCCURRING MUTATIONS IN OTHER SPECIES -- HAVE FOUND NO MUTATIONS IN THESE CATTLE. THEY'RE EXTREMELY MUSCULAR -- MUTATIONS IN SPLICE THAT CAUSES SPLICING DEFECTS. HERE AT NIH IN THE NDRI FOUND MUTATIONS IN SOME WHIPPET DOGS. THEY LOOK LIKE GRAY HOUND THEY'RE VERY FAST BUT THEY CARRY THE MUTATION IN THE MYOSTAT ISSUE TEAMS. THE ONE I'M SHOWING YOU IS HIGH MUSCULAR BUT THE HIGHER STATIN IS IN BETTER RACERS. IN THE LOWER LEFT IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO DATE WHO HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH MYOSTATIN MUTATION. AND THIS IS ONE BORN IN GERMANY THAT IS VERY MUSCULAR AT BIRTH. HE'S HOMOZYGOUS. HIS MOTHER WAS HETEROZYGOUS AND WAS A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE. THOSE ARE ALL DEVELOPMENTAL DELETIONS. OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN INCREASING MUSCLE MASS IN PATIENTS WHO HAVE MUSCLE WASTING DISEASES, WHETHER ATROPHY OR MUSCULAR DISTROPHY. SO WHY THE FARM SUIT KULZ DEVELOP IN NEUTRALIZING MONOCLONALS TO SEE IF YOU COULD INCREASE MUSCLE MASS IN AN ADULT BY INHIBITING MYOSTATIN. AND ON THE LEFT IN THE BLACK BAR SHOWS YOU THE ANTIBODY TREATMENT AND THEY DO GET AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS. ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT AS HIGH AS WHEN YOU HAVE A KNOCKOUT. SO THAT WAS EVIDENCE THAT IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A THERAPY EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T DURING DEVELOPMENT. ON THE RIGHT IS A STUDY DONE BY GRADUATE STUDENTS -- AND SHE IMPLANTED CHO CELLS THAT WERE SECRETING MYOSTATIN INTO NEW MICE. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE LOWER ANIMAL HAS A TUMOR THAT'S DEVELOPED WHICH ARE CHO CELLS INJECTED INTO THAT ARE NOT UTILITYINSECRETING MYOSTATIN. IN THE TOP MOUSE YOU CAN SEE IT'S WASTING. THESE MICE HAVE SEVERE WEISSING SYNDROME THAT DEVELOPS IN TWO WEEKS. VERY HIGH MYOSTATIN LEVELS. THESE LEVELS ARE PROBABLY WAY HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD EVER NORMALLY GET BUT IT AND SHOW THAT MYO STATIN IS AGAIN ON ADULT MUSCLE MASS. LET'S NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT MYOSTATIN IS POSITIVELY INVOLVED IN CANCER TAX YEAH. I MENTIONED PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ARE INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING INHIBITORS TO MYOSTATIN FOR DISEASES THAT MYOSTATIN ITSELF PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH. BUT THE RATIONALE IS THAT FOR SAY MUSCULAR DISTROPHY AS A CHILD AGES STRENGTH DECLINES AND THEY BECOME DISABLED, WHEELCHAIR BOUND, FOR INSTANCE, AND THEN EVENTUALLY THIS LEADS TO DEATH BECAUSE OF BREATHING PROBLEMS. BUT IF YOU CAN INCREASE MUSCLE MASS OF MYOSTATIN INHIBITION AT SOME POINT, PERHAPS YOU CAN DELAY DISABILITY OR EVEN DEATH. SO CURRENTLY ELI LILLY FROM CLINICAL TRIALS GOING FROM PATIENTS GETTING HIP REPLACEMENTS AND THEY'RE LOCALLY INJECTING MYOSTATIN TRYING TO INCREASE MUSCLE MASS IN THE OPERATED HIP. WE USE BASICALLY TWO APPROACHES IN ADDITION TO THE KNOCKOUT. ONE IS TO MAKE TRANSGENIC MICE THAT ARE EXPRESSING AN INHIBITOR OF MYOSTATIN AND THE INHIBITOR WE USE SHOWN ON THE RIGHT IS THE EXTRACELLULAR PORTION OF THE RECEPTOR THAT STILL HAS A TRANSMEMBRANE DOMAIN BUT IS MISSING THE KINASE DOMAIN. SO THIS BASICALLY ACTS AS A STAIN TO STOP UP THE MYOSTATIN BUT IT BLOCKS SIGNALING. WE EXPECT THESE VENDOR TISSUES SPECIFIC PROMOTER. ANOTHER METHOD THAT WE HAVE IS BY OVER EXPRESSING THE EXTRACELLULAR DEMAND OF THE RECEPTOR FUSED TO FC FOR STABILITY AND THIS WAS A COME LABS HAVE MADE THIS AND WE GOT OURS FROM A GIFT FROM -- SO WE GROW IT IN CELL CULTURE, COLLECT THE CONDITION MEAD U MEDIUM AND PURIFY THE PROTEIN THERE. WE CAN INJECT THE INTO MICE AND GET AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS. SO IN THAT CASE, WE'RE BLOCKING THE CIRCULATING MYO STATIN WHERE IT'S A TRANS GENIC JUST AT A SPECIFIC TISSUE BUT MUSCLE IS STILL PRODUCING MYO STATIN AND STILL GETTING INTO CIRCULATION. SO I WANT TO DISCUSS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MUSCLE LOOKS LIKE. SO WHEN I SAY AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS WHAT EXACTLY AM I TALKING ABOUT. ON THE LEFT SHOWS YOU A CROSS-SECTION OF A SKELETAL MUSCLE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PURPLES THERE ARE THE NUCLEI. BUT THE MUSCLE FIBER IS A SINGLE CELL BUT IT'S WORN BY FUSION OF MYOBLASTS SO IT'S THE INTERSTITIAL CELLS. IN THE DIGITORUM LONGEST THE MUSCLE WE LOOKED THERE ARE 260 OF THESE MYONUCLEI IN ONE FIBER. THE OTHER CELL TYPE FOUND IN MUSCLE, THEIR STEM CELLS THAT ARE CALLED SATELLITE CELL IN THE ADULT, AND THERE ARE FEWER OF THESE FOUND UNDERNEATH THE BASAL LAMINA OUTSIDE THE PLASMA MEMBRANE OF THE FIBER. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT IS A PICTURE MADE BY CHEN WANG, THE BLUE ARE STAINED MYONUCLEI AND THE GREEN ARROW POINTS TO A SATELLITE CELL EXPRESSING A MARKER PACK SEVEN. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MYOSTATIN KNOCKOUT MOUSE, ONE THING WE SEE IN THE HISTOGRAM OF THE DIAMETER OF MUSCLE FIBERS IN CLASS SECTION IN PINK SHIFTED TO THE RIGHT, SHIFTED TO LARGER FIBERS. HOWEVER IT'S NOT REALLY DRAMATIC AND THE TIBIALIS IN THE KNOCKOUT IS TWICE THE WEIGHT OF THE WILD TYPE SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT WEIGHT. SO IN COUNT FIBERS THOUGH, WE ALSO SEE AN INCREASE ON A PINK COMPARED TO WILD TYPE IN BLACK. AND THE SOLEUS WHICH IS THE MUSCLE, THE FAT MUSCLE, THEY ARE BOTH REALLY SMALL MUSCLE AND YOU DON'T SEE AS BIG AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF FIBERS AS WE DO WITH THE TA TIBIALIS WHICH IS A 67% INCREASE. MUSCLE FIBER COUNTS FOR A LOT OF THE INCREASE IN THE KNOCKOUT MOUSE. THEY HAVE BOTH HYPERTROPHY OF THE FIBERS AND WHEN HYPERPLASIA. IF WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT FIBER TYPES, IDENTIFIED BY THE TYPE OF MYO SIN, EACH FIBER IS EXPRESSING, FIBER TENDS TO EXPRESS JUST ONE, WE FIND THAT THERE'S A DECREASE IN SLOWER, MORE OX DATE OF FIBERS WHICH IS ONE AND 2A. IN THE SOLEUS TYPE ONE. BUT AN INCREASE IN THE TYPE TWO OR FASTER CONTRACTING FIBERS, AND THEY TEND TO BE MORE PSYCHO LYTIC. THE SOLEUS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT COMPOSITION BUT IT'S THE SAME BUT LESS IN AN THE TYPE 2A WHICH IS BOAST PSYC MOSTLY PSYCHOTIC. THERE'S A SHIFT TO THE RIGHT FOR PSYCHO LYTIC AND MUSCLE CONTRACTION IN THE FIBERS. ONE EXPLANATION WE THINK FOR THIS IS THAT THERE ARE MORE PROGENITOR CELLS DURING DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS A STUDY DONE BY CATHERINE SAVAGE, FORMER POST DOC IN MY LAB. WHEN SHE LOOKED AT PACK 7 WHICH IS A MARKER HOW FAR PROGENITOR CELLS IN THE DEVELOPING EMBRYO AND IN TH THE ADULT. IF YOU LOOK AT E17 AND-A-HALF ON THE FAR LEFT YOU SEE A HUGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF THESE PROGENITOR CELLS IN THE MUTANT. HOWEVER, 17 AND-A-HALF, IS THIS BEFORE BIRTH ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE IN THE NUMBER OF FIBERS IN THE EDO. HOWEVER, AS DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES, THERE'S A BIG DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PROGENITORS IN BOTH WILD TYPE AND IN THE MUTANT BUT ESPECIALLY IN THE MUTANT. AND THEN THE FIBER NUMBER SUBSEQUENTLY GOES UP. THEY ALSO NOTICED POST NASAL BASE 7 TO OUT EIGHT WEEKS. NOW THE SAME NUMBER OF FIBERS IN THE WILD TYPE AND IN THE MUTANT. SO THE TIME IS SUSTAINED. WHAT WE KNOW FOR WILD IS A ROUND BIRTH, YOU HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF FIBERS AS YOU DO AS AN ADULT. WHEN YOU'RE ABLING AGING GROWING YOU GET AN INCREASE IN FIBER SIZE RATHER THAN THE FIBER NUMBER. AS IT HAPPENS, THIS DISPLAYS AROUND 17 AND-A-HALF, THESE CELLS ARE KNOWN TO TEND TO BECOME FAST WITH AN EARLIER WAVE A FEW DAYS EARLIER THE PROGENITOR ARE FIBERS THAT TEND TO BECOME SLOW. THIS MAY BE THE EXPLANATION IN BOTH THE INCREASED FIBER NUMBER AND THE SHIFT TOWARD MORE GLYCO LYTIC FIBERS. WE SEE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT WHEN WE TREAT WITH A FIBER RECEPTOR IN ADULTS. INSTEAD WE SEE ONLY HYPERTROPHY. QUITE A FEW LABS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND NOBODY'S SEEING AN INCREASE IN FIBER NUMBER. THERE WAS A DEBATE OF WHETHER THE SATELLITE CELLS THAT I SHOWED YOU EARLIER, WHETHER THEY NEEDED TO BE ACTIVATED OR NOT TO SEE THIS HYPERTROPHY, AND THERE WAS SEVERAL CONFLICTING STUDIES CHEN WANG A POST DOC IN MY LAB DID A VERY SENSITIVE STUDY INJECTING BRDU DAILY AND INJECTING THE FIBER RECEPTOR INTO ADULT MICE. AND SHE ISOLATES THE EDL, WEIGH IT AND THEN ISOLATE INDIVIDUAL FIBERS FROM THE EDL AND EXAMINE THE BRDU FOR INCORPORATATION INTO THE FIBER AND THAT WOULD BE THE MARKER OF THE SATELLITE CELL PROLIFERATION AND THEN FUSION TO THE FIBER. AND LOTS OF HYPERTROPHIC STIMULI BY DOING EXERCISE FOR INSTANCE IN CHEC CHICKENS OR MICE OR RATS WOULD SHOW AN INCREASE IN BRDU NUMBER. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE MYOSTATIN WOULD CAUSE THAT. WHAT CHEN FOUND IN DOING EXPERIMENTS JUST SHOWING YOU A TIME COURSE, YOU SEE HYPERTROPHY SIGNIFICANT HYPERTROPHY AT FOUR DAYS OR SIX DAYS AFTER THIS INJECTION WHICH IS SHOWN IN THE BAR GRAPH ON THE LEFT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF BRDU NUCLEI, BRUD POSITIVE NUCLEI IN THE FIBER WHICH IS THE LINE ON THE LEFT, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE UNTIL SIX DAYS. IF YOU NOTICE THE GRAPH TO THE RIGHT OF THE GRAPH ON THE LEFT, THE LABEL'S TO THE RIGHT ON THAT GRAPH, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT TWO TO TWO AND-A-HALF BRDU POSITIVE NUCLEI IN THE WHOLE FIBER AND THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE 260 NUCLEI IN THAT FIBER. SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR THE INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS. AND CHEN ALSO IN THE FIBER AREA IN EACH OF THOSE ANIMALS IN THE CONTRA LATERAL MUSCLE AND YOU SEE A SHIFT TO THE RIGHT IN THE RECEPTOR TWO DAYS BEFORE YOU SEE THIS BRDU INCORPORATION. WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE FIBERS ARE GETTING BIGGER WITHOUT ANY INCORPORATION OF NEW NUCLEI. AND SEVERAL LABS HAVE LOOKED AT THE INTERACTION OF MYO STATIN SIGNALING WITH ITF SIGNALING BECAUSE ITF IS KNOWN TO TURN ON PROTEIN SYNTHESIS AND CAUSE HYPERTROPHY IN MUSCLE. THIS DIAGRAM FROM DAVID GLASS AND SEVERAL OTHERS HAVE FOUND SIMILAR RESULTS SHOW THAT MYOSTATIN SIGNALING WHICH TURNS ON THE MEDIATORS OF THE SIGNALING 2 AND 3 SOMEHOW INHIBIT ACTIVATION OF AKT WHICH IS DOWN STREAM OF IDF1 SNALG. WHEN YOU REMOVE MYOSTATIN YOU INCREASE ACTIVITY OF AKT INSTANTLY TO THE PROTEIN SYNTHESIS. AND THIS PATHWAY WILL COME UP AGAIN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INSULIN SIGNALING BECAUSE THAT USES A SIMILAR PATHWAY. I WANT TO MENTION ALSO HERE AT THE TOP IN RED IT SAYS MY I DON'T STATIN GS11. GS11 IS 90% IDENTICAL TO MYOSTATIN AND LESS HOMOLOGOUS BUT THEY CAN ALL BIND TO THESE RECEPTORS. SO WHEN WE USE THE RECEPTOR OR WE USE A DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR TRANSGENIC, WE ARE BLOCKING OTHER FACTORS BESIDES MYOSTATIN. ACTIVE N IN PARTICULAR ALSO SEEMS TO INCREASE MUSCLE MASS WHEN IT'S INHIBITED. WHAT I WANT TO TALK TODAY ABOUT IS FIRST THE REGULATION OF BODY COMPOSITION AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO A DIABETIC MODEL, MICE THAT HAVE NO WHITE FAT. AND FINALLY THE -- ANALYSIS. THE FIRST PART BRIEFLY, ONE THING I NOTICED WHEN I WAS KILLING A BUNCH OF OLDER MICE IS THAT THEY HAVE LESS ADIPOSE TISSUE. ON THE LEFT THE BODY COMPOSITION ANALYSIS AND IN PINK IT SHOWS THE MY OH STATIN KNOCKOUT HAS A LOT MORE LEAN MASS THAN YOU WOULD EXPECT. THEY ALSO HAVE LESS FAT MASS. THIS ISN'T THE PERCENT, IT'S THE ACTUAL GRAMS OF FAT MEASURED. WHEN WE PUT THEM ON A HIGH DIET THEY GAINED LESS WEIGHT SHOWN IN PINK COMPARED TO THE BLACK BARS AS WELL. AND ON THE RIGHT ARE NORMAL ANIMALS THAT'S SHOWING YOU THE SMALLER FAT CELLS IN THE EPIDERMAL FAT PAD. AND IT'S BEEN REPLICATED BY QUITE A FEW LABS THAT WE SENT THE MICE TO. HERE AT NIDEK -- WHO RUNS THE METABOLIC CORE AND -- IN HER LAB DID THE HYPER IN SHINMIC LAB FOR US. THIS IS MEASURING THE SENSITIVITY. THEY ARE INFUSING INSULIN SO EVERY ANIMAL GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF INSULIN AND CIRCULATION. AND THEN THEY INFUSE GLUCOSE AND THE MORE GLUCOSE THEY INFUSE, THE MORE SENSITIVE THE ANNAL IS TO -- ANIMAL IS TO INSULIN. IF THE ANIMAL IS COMPLETELY INSENSITIVE TO INSULIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE ANY GLUCOSE AT ALL. TRYING TO KEEP THE BLOOD GLUCOSE AT A CONSPHEN CONTENT LEVEL. THIS INCREASE WITH THE INFUSION AND THE MY OH STATIN GLUCOSE SHOWING THEY ARE MUCH MORE INSULIN SENSITIVE THAN THE WILD TYPE ANIMALS. AND THEY ALSO INJECT LABEL GLUCOSE AND FOUND AN INCREASE IN WHOLE BODY GLUCOSE UP TAKE SHOWN IN THE UPPER RIGHT AND A LOWER LEFT AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE GLUCOSE UP TAKE IN FAT. SO IT SUGGESTS THERE ARE MORE INSULIN SENSITIVE TAKING UP MORE GLUCOSE AND ALSO PUTTING ON LESS FAT. SO I TOLD YOU IN THE BEGINNING MYOSTATIN'S EXPRESSED IN MUSCLE AND ALSO EXPRESSED IN FAT. SO SOME OF THIS PHENOTYPE DUE TO FAT. I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY FROM LOOKING AT THE KNOCKOUT MOUSE BECAUSE THERE WERE SEVERAL OTHER LINES OF MICE FOUND IN THE LITERATURE IS THAT ON MUSCULAR SUCH AS TRANSGENIC OVER EXPRESSING THE ONYX GENE AND OVER EXPRESSING IGF ONE SPECIFICALLY IN SKELETAL MUSCLE AND ALSO OVER EXPRESSING THE ACTIVE AKT TO KEEP THE IGF1 PATHWAY ACTIVATED WITH THE SKELETAL MUSCLE SPECIFIC PROMOTER. AND THOSE LAST TWO IN PARTICULAR ARE IMPORTANT. SO ALL OF THESE HAVE LESS MUSCLE. SO THEY HAVE LESS FAT. SO IT SUGGESTS IF YOU INCREASE MUSCLE MASS, PERHAPS THE MUSCLE IS TAKING THE ENERGY AND THERE'S NUT ENOUGH STORAGE FAT. THAT COULD BE A PHENOTYPE IN THE KNOCKOUT OR IT COULD BE THAT MYOSTATIN HAS A ROLE IN ONCOGENESIS. USING THE TISSUE SPECIFIC TRANSGENICS TO TRY TO ANALYZE THIS, AND SOMETIME BEFORE HE HAD MADE A DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, THEY'VE SEEN A COPY OF THE KNOCKOUT AND EXTREMELY MUSCULAR. AND WE MADE IN MY LAB THE DNA2 PROMOTER TO EXPRESS THE SAME DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR CONSTRUCTING FAT IN WHITE FAT AND BROWN FAT. SO THEN WE COMPARED THESE TWO AND LOOKING AT THE BODY COMPOSITION, IF WE HAVE EXPRESSED A DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR IN FAT, YOU GET ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT AT ALL. AND IF WE LOOK AT THE DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR IN FAT IT'S VERY MUSCULAR WE GET THE SAME PHENOTYPE AS THE KNOCKOUT IN LOWER FAT. WE THINK ABOUT THE LOWER FAT PHENOTYPE IS NOT BY DIRECT EFFECTS OF MYOSTATIN ON FAT. ALTHOUGH IF YOU DO LOOK IN VITRO, YOU CAN SEE MYOSTATIN INHIBITING DIFFERENTIATION. SO IT MAY BE MORE SUBTLE EFFECTS. WE TRIED PUTTING THEM ON HIGH FAT DIET FOR INSTANCE AND NOTHING, YOU DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WITH THE FAT SPECIFIC DOMINANT NEGATIVE EFFECTOR BUT THE MUSCLE SPECIFIC EFFECTIVE DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR IS THE COPY KNOCKOUT PHENOTYPE. SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT A WAY THAT WE COULD HELP TREAT OBESITY. THE QUESTION IS IF WE INCREASE MUSCLE MASS IN MICE THAT ARE ALREADY OBESE, COULD WE GET THEM TO LOSE FAT. SOME STUDIES HAVE BEEN DONE ON EARLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS PREVENTING AND OUCH OF THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE MAKING A MOVE. ON THE RIGHT, THE INDUCIBLE SKELETAL MUSCLE SPECIFIC ACTIVE AKT IN KEN WOUL WALSH'S LAB HAS A DRAMATIC PHENOTYPE. YOU GET HYPERTROPHY AND GLUCOSE UP TAKE IN THE MUSCLE. YOU SEE INCREASED OXIDATION AND YOU SEE A DECREASE IN FAT MASS. THEY SAW THIS MAINLY IN MICE THAT WERE ALREADY OBESE FROM A HIGH FAT DIET. SO INCREASING MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY CAUSE A BIG LOSS IN FAT MASS. HOWEVER, ACTIVE AKT MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER SIGNALING GOING ON IN THE MUSCLE MYOKIND ACTING ON THE STAT. PLUS THAT'S NOT A PHARMACOLOGICAL WAY TO DO THIS. SO WE TRY TO USE MICE PUT ON A HIGH FAT DIET FOR 24 WEEKS BUT OF 12 WEEKS WE INJECTED THE SOLUBLE REJERK. WE FOUND THE INCREASE IN THE MASS THAT'S WHAT WE EXPECTED SHOWN IN RED. BUT THE BODY WEIGHT KEPT GOING UP PARTLY DUE TO THE MUSCLE MASS, AND THEN THE FAT WEIGHT KEPT GOING UP. NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT LOSE IT, THEY KEPT RIGHT ON GAINING FAT. AND WE THEN TRIED GLUCOSE TOLERANCE, AND BY JENNIFER -- IN MY LAB, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN GLUCOSE TOLERANCE. SO THAT WAS SOMEWHAT DISAPPOINTING BUT THE SAME RESULTS ALSO FOUND THAT FIBER BY -- USING AN ANTI-MYOSTATIN ANTIBODY, THEY ALSO DID NOT IN OBO MICE -- AND THE SAME THING, THEY DID NOT SEE A LOSS OF FAT MASS. THEY DID SEE SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE GLUCOSE METABOLISM, HOWEVER. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAD A MILDER DIET THIS WAS 60% FAT OR BUT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO WORK AFTER THE FACT. SO WE THOUGHT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT MAYBE A DIABETIC MODEL INSTEAD OF AN OBESE MODEL. SO WE PUT MICE ON HIGH FAT DIET AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T BECOME VERY DIABETIC. SO ONE MODEL THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN NIDDK WAS A LIPO DISTROPHY MODEL AND LIPO DISTROPHY IS A DISEASE WHERE WHITE FAT DOES NOT DEVELOP. SO YOU ARE MISSING THE STORAGE SITES FOR LIPIDS. SO INSTEAD, IT GETS INTO THE CIRCULATION AND VERY HIGH TRIGLYCERIDE LEVELS AND YOU ALSO HAVE HIGH FAT IN THE LIVER AND MUSCLES SO THEY GET HEPATIC PSYCHOSIS AND THIS CAUSES INSULIN RESISTANCE WHICH LEADS TO HYPERGLYCEMIA, HYPER IN INSULINEMIA. ANOTHER PHENOTYPE OF BOTH THE PATIENTS AND THE MOUSE MODELS IS THAT THEY OVEREAT WHICH IS CALLED HYPERPLASIA. SO THE MODEL IS CALLED FATLESS MICE AND IT'S OVER EXPRESSING A DOMINANT NEGATIVE IN A TRANSGENE THAT INTERFERES WITH SOME OF THE TRANSCRIPTION FACTORS IMPORTANT FOR LIPID SITE DIFFERENTIATION AND THIS IS USING A -- SO HERE'S WHAT THE MOUSE LOOKS LIKE ON THE LEFT. COMPARED WILD TYPE AND YOU'RE MISSING ALL OF THAT WHITE FAT. YOU CAN'T SEE THE SUBCUTANEOUS WHITE FAT. AND ON THE RIGHT SHOWS HOW FAST THE LIVER CAN GET, IT CHANGES COLOR AND IT HAS THESE WHITE FAT DROPLETS. SO THE FIRST THING THAT THE POST DOC WHO WAS DOING THIS PROJECT DID IS HE LOOKED AT THE EXPRESSION OF MYO STATIN IN THE MUSCLE. AND MICE DO NOT HAVE AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS BUT THEY HAVE AN INCREASE IN MYO STATIN GENE EXPRESSION WHICH IS QUITE HIGH. THERE ARE SEVERAL PAPERS IN THE LITERATURE THAT HAVE CHANGES IN MYO STATIN EXPRESSION IN MUSCLE BUT I'M STRICTLY CORRELATED TO THE MUSCLE MASS. FOR INSTANCE, IN MICE, OBOB HAVE AN INCREASE IN MYOSTATIN THEY HAVE A DECREASE IN MUSCLE MASS AND THEY MIGHT EXPECT THAT. HOWEVER, IF YOU PUT MICE ON A HIGH FAT DIET YOU ALSO SEE AN INCREASE IN MYOSTATIN BUT YOU DON'T SEE A CHANGE IN THE MASS. IN HUMANS, THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW STUDIES LOOKING AT PATIENTS THAT GET SURGERY, STOMACH BYPASS FOR OBESITY AND ONE OF THOSE PHENOTYPES BESIDES LOSING FAT IS THEY ALSO LOSE SOME MUSCLE BUT NOT A WHOLE LOT. THEY HAVE A DECREASE IN MYOSTATIN. WE THINK A DECREASE IN MYOSTATIN WOULD INCREASE MUSCLE MASS. THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENS AFTER SURGERY IS THEY HAVE AN INCREASE IN INSULIN SENSITIVITY IT CAN OFTEN GO OFF INSULIN. AND ANOTHER STUDY BY THE UNIVERSITY OF CALGARY FOUND THAT THERE'S AN INCREASE IN MYO STATIN INCREASE FROM MYOTUBES MADE FROM OBESE PATIENTS LOOKING AT MUSCLE MASS. AND FINALLY THE MICRO -- STUDY SHOWING AN INCREASE IN MYOSTATIN INCREASE IN MUSCLE RELATIVE TO TYPE TWO DIE BOAT BOTHICS. THEY HAVE NOT YET DEVELOPED DIE -- DIDIABETES. THERE'S NO SIZE OF THE MUSCLE IN OVERALL LEAN MASS BUT IT DOES SEEM TO BE PODDIVELY CORRELATED BUT YET THERE'S NO CONVINCING EVIDENCE THAT MY OH STATIN CAN ACTUALLY CAUSE INSULIN RESISTANCE. I WANT TO BRING THIS UP BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING DIRECT WITH MYOSTATIN SIGNALING THAT COULD BE INFLUENCING INSULIN SIGNALING AT THE LEVEL OF AKT SOMETHING OTHER THAN JUST INCREASING MUSCLE MASS. OWE WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE? HERE WE HAVE THE CROSSES USING A MUSCLE SPECIFIC DOMINANT NEGATIVE TRANSGENE. WE STILL GOT AN INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE THE PECTORAL MUSCLES IN THE MOUSE ON THE FAR RIGHT WITH A DOUBLE TRANSGENIC AND THERE'S NO WHITE FAT IN THOSE MICE VERSUS WHITE FAT IN THE WILD TYPE AND A LITTLE BIT LESS IN THE MUSCLE DOMINANT NEGATIVE. SO WHAT HE DID IS FOLLOWED THE BLOOD GLUCOSE OVER TIME STARTING AT WEANING AND THIS IS FIRST WILD TYPE AND THEN VERY SIMILAR BLOOD GLUCOSE TO THE MUSCLE DOMINANT NEGATIVE SHOWN IN ORANGE. AND EXTREMELY DIABETIC AFTER FIVE WEEKS, VERY HIGH BLOOD GLUCOSE LEVELS. AND THEN WE GET PRETTY NORMAL BLOOD GLUCOSE. IT'S MUCH MORE DRAMATIC THAN I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT. ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN GLYCOLYTIC MUSCLE. YOU THINK PERHAPS YOU WANT THE MUSCLE THAT BURNS A LOT OF FAT. SO THIS SEEMED TO COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DEVELOPMENT OF HYPOGLYCEMIA IN THESE FATLESS MICE. AND HE LOOKED MORE CLOSELY AND THE HYPER INSULINEMIA SHOWN IN BLUE WAS NORMALIZED IN THE DOUBLE TRANSGENIC SHOWN IN PURPLE AND DID INFLUENCE TOLERANCE TEST WHERE YOU MEASURE GLUCOSE OVER TIME. AND IF YOU'RE SENSITIVE TO GLUCOSE, IT SHOULD DROP. AND GET THE BIGGER DROP, A NORMAL DROP IN THE DOUBLE TRANSGENIC, VERY SIMILAR TO THE WILD TYPE MICE. AND THE OTHER PHENOTYPE WE SEE IS AN IMPROVEMENT IN SIGNALING AND LEFT A VERY BASIC SCHEMATIC OF THE INSULIN RECEPTOR SIGNALING ALSO ACTIVATES AKT WHICH CAN TURN ON PROTEIN SYNTHESIS AS WELL AS GLUCOSE METABOLISM IN GENES. SO ON THE RIGHT, THERE'S AN EXPERIMENT WHERE TEACHING INJECTED ANIMALS WITH A HIGH DOSE OF THIS I INSULIN AND TEN MINUTES LATER THEY HAD A MUSCLE REMOVED. WE EXPECT TO SEE AN INCREASE IN PHOSPHOLATE AKT IN THE MUSCLE AND ESPECIALLY STRONG IN THE MUSCLE SPECIFIC DOMINANT NEGATIVE MICE. IN THE MICE THAT'S SO INSULIN RESISTENT IN MUSCLE BASICALLY NOTHING HAPPENED. ON THE FAR RIGHT THE DOUBLE TRANSGENIC HAVE RESTORED RESPONSIVENESS TO INSULIN. AND THE OTHER STRONG PHENOTYPE GLUCOSE HANDLING IN THESE MICE IS HIGH LIPID LEVELS. AND DOUBLE MUTANTS INCREASE MUSCLE MASS HAD NORMAL FREE FATTY ACIDS, NORMAL TRY GLIS RIDS AND ON THE RIGHT MUCH MORE MUSCLE TRIGLYCERIDES. IT SEEMS TO IMPROVE BOTH THE GLUCOSE AND LIPID DEFECTS THAT PREVENT DEVELOPMENT OF BOTH THE GLUCOSE AND LIPID DEFECT IN THESE MICE. IF WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE LIVER YOU SEE IN THE CENTER IS THE A ZIP WHITE OR GLAK DROPLETS CONTAINED IN THE LIVER. ON THE WHITE THE LIVER LOOKS NORMAL. TRIGLYCERIDES ARE QUANTIFIED ON THE LOWER LEFT AS NORMAL IN THE DOUBLE MUTANT. THE WHITE MUSCLES, THE LIVER HAS RESTORED INSULIN SIGNALING THE INCREASE IN RESPONSE TO INSULIN IN THE DOUBLE TRANSGENIC MUSCLE COMPARED TO THE A ZIP MUSCLE. SO THIS COULD BE DO TO AN INCREASE IN LIPID OXIDATION, HOWEVER WHEN WE DID SOME LIPID OXIDATION ASSAYS IN LIVE ANIMALS ON THE LEFT OR SPECIFICALLY IN THE SOLE YUTIO SOLEUS MUSCLE SHE DID NOT SEE AN INCREASE IN OXIDATION. HOWEVER SHE DID SEE A DIFFERENCE IN TRIGLYCERIDE SYNTHESIS. AND THIS IS DONE BY BLOCKING -- AND THEN LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE INCREASE IN PLASMA TRIAL GLYCERIDES OVER TIME AND THE A ZIP MICE HAVE A MUCH BIGGER INCREASE THAN THE DOUBLE TRANSGENIC. SO IT SEEMED TO BE TRY LOS ANGELES RIDE SYNTHESIS -- TRIGLYCERIDE SYNTHESIS CHANGED IN THESE ANIMALS. I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL. WE DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND IT BUT WE ARE SURPRISED WE ALSO NORMALIZED THE HYPER PHAGIA. THERE ARE SOME EXPERIMENTS SHOWING IT IS NOT JUST TURNING ON -- BUT SOMEHOW WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THEY DID NOT DEVELOP THE INCREASE OF FOOD INTAKE WHETHER IT'S THE ABSOLUTE FOOD INTAKE OR NORMALIZED TO THE BODY WEIGHT. SO IT LARGELY PREVENTED A LOT OF THE PHENOTYPES IN THE LIPO DISTROPHIC MICE. SO WE DID, WE WERE CONCERNED THEY DID SOMETHING WEIRD ABOUT THE TRANSGENICS IN THE BRAIN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WE CROSSED THEM TO THE KNOCKOUT AND WE GET THE SAME PHENOTYPE. WE ALSO CROSSED THEM TO OUR FAT DOMINANT NEGATIVE MICE EXPRESSING THE DOMINANT NEGATIVE RECEPTOR IN BROWN FAT AND STILL PRESENT IN THESE ANIMALS. AND THAT DID NOT HELP THE A ZIP PHENOTYPE AT ALL. WE'RE PRETTY SURE IT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE INCREASE MUSCLE MASS. POSSIBLY IN ADDITION TO BLOCKING MYOSTATIN SIGNALING IN MUSCLE. SO I PUT THE HIGH FAT DIET WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW IS CAN WE DRAW THE BLOOD GLUCOSE AFTER THE MICE BECOME DIABETIC. WE INJECTED THE RECEPTOR IN THE A ZIP MICE AFTER FIVE OR SIX WEEKS OF AGE AND HAD BLOOD GLUCOSE AROUND 300. WHAT WE FOUND IT DID DROP A LITTLE, DEFINITELY PREVENTED THE INCREASE AND DID SEEM TO LEVEL OFF. THE GLUCOSE TOLERANCE LOOKED A LITTLE BIT BETTER. HOWEVER, SURPRISE THE INSULIN WAS HIGHER THOUGH. IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT'S SO VARIABLE. AND THE TRIGLYCERIDES ALSO WERE NOT IMPROVED IN SERUM OR LIVER ALTOUGH THEY DID GO DOWN TYPICALLY IN MUSCLE. LOOKING AT THE FOOD INFAKE AND BODY WEIGHT, I ALREADY SHOWED THE UPPER LEFT GLUCOSE ONE THING WE NOTICED IS THIS SEPARATES FROM THE PDF CONTROLS BETWEEN TWO AND THREE WEEKS OF AGE WHEN THEY WERE GETTING HEAVIER AND WE KNOW THIS IS ABOUT THE TIME WE GET THE MAXIMUM MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOD INTAKE, IT'S HARD TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE UPPER RGHT WITH FOOD IN TAKE. BUT YOU NORMALIZE THE BODY WEIGHT IT SEEMS LIKE AT THE POINT WHERE THEY GET THE MAXIMUM MUSCLE HYPERTROPHY, THEY HAVE A DROP IN FOOD INTAKE AND THEN THAT LEVELS OFF. SO IT SUGGESTS SOME CONNECTION PERHAPS THE SAME MECHANISM BETWEEN THE GLUED GLUCOSE AMELIORATION OF THE HYPERGLYCEMIA AND THE IMPROVED FOOD INTAKE. SO HOWEVER WE DIDN'T IMPROVE EVERY PHENOTYPE IN THIS CASE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT'S THE FIRST DEMONSTRATION THAT MICE INHIBITION CAN LOWER BLOOD GLUCOSE IN A DIABETIC ANIMAL. ONE QUESTION THAT NICOLE IN MY LAB HAD WAS WHETHER WE COULD DECREASE THE BLOOD GLUCOSE AND GET A DECREASE IN FOOD INTAKE. SHE INJECTED -- IMPLANTED -- CREATING FLOOR SIN -- PHLORIDZIN EIGHTY AND NOT THE WILD TYPE BECAUSE OF THE GLUCOSE TO BEGIN WITH. YET SHOWN BELOW THAT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO THE FOOD INTAKE. THE REVERSE EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN DONE BY A GROUP USING THE SAME MICE IN JAPAN DOING PARAFEEDING SO THEY ARE PURPOSELY FED WILD TYPE FOOD BUT THAT DID NOT GET RID OF THE INSULIN RESISTANCE OR HYPERGLYCEMIA IN THE MICE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MECHANISM IS, IT'S JUST CURING ONE AND THE OTHER FOLLOWS. SO IT MIGHT BE INTERESTED -- FROM THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF SPORTS MEDICINE AND THE AMERICAN DIABETES ASSOCIATION HAS SUGGESTED DIABETICS DO BOTH AEROBIC AND RESISTANCE TRAINING BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL CLINICAL TRIALS SAYING THAT RESISTANCE TRAINING HELPS IT AS WELL. WE'VE KNOWN FOR SOME TIME THAT AEROBIC EXERCISE WITH IMPROVE INSULIN ACTION. SO THE MYOSTATIN INHIBITOR PERHAPS COULD BE EXERCISING THE MODEL AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T EXERCISE BUT MANY OF US REALLY DON'T LIKE TO. OKAY. TO SUMMARIZE JUST THIS PART, WE SHOWED THAT MYOSTATIN INHIBITION PRIOR TO THE METABOLIC CHALLENGE OR DISEASE DID THE DIABETES AND HIGH FAT DIET CAN OIL PROVE THE PHENOTYPE BUT IT DOES NOT WORK AFTER ANIMALS ARE OBESE TO LOWER OBESITY. IT DID HELP IN THE LIPO DISTROPHIC DIABETIC MODEL. THIS LED US TO SOME QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY WHAT BIOCHEMICAL PATHWAYS ARE CHANGED IN THE MUSCLE DURING AND AFTER HYPERTROPHY AND THEN HOW DOES THAT SECONDARILY CAUSE CHANGES IN OTHER TISSUES PARTICULARLY METABOLICALLY IMPORTANT TISSUES. SO THE FILM PART I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME ANALYSIS WE DID WITH -- WE INJECTED THE RECEPTOR INTO ADULT MICE AND WE TOOK THEM AT THREE DAYS AFTER THE FIRST INJECTION, AND AT THIS POINT, THEY ARE STARTING TO HYPERTROPHY THE MUSCLE. WE'VE GOT ABOUT A 10% INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS. WE TOOK THEM AGAIN AT 21 DAYS AND THIS IS AFTER THE MUSCLE MASS IS STABILIZED, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP INJECTING YOU DON'T GET ANY MORE MUSCLE. THAT WAS ROUGHLY 50% HYPERTROPHY. SO WE HAD THESE FOUR GROUPS AND SENT SERUM TISSUES TO -- THEY DID A NON-TARGETED APPROACH TO GET BIO MOLECULE. SO THIS SHOWS YOU MUSCLE WEIGHT AND THE RIGHT BARS ARE THE NANO FAT PAD. YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL FOR THREE DAYS BECAUSE I WANTED TO PUT THEM ON THE SAME SCALE BUT THERE'S A SMALL INCREASE IN MUSCLE MASS, 13 IN EACH GROUP. AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, A BIGGER INCREASE IN MOST OF THE MUSCLES. AND THERE STILL WAS NO CHANGE IN THE FAT MASS. SO THIS IS JUST A GENERAL SUMMARY BEFORE I GO INTO SPECIFIC RESULTS, AND I'M SHOWING THE FIRST ROW IS, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF METABOLIZE THEY FOUND IT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE SECOND THE NUMBER THAT WENT UP AND THE THIRD THE NUMBER THAT WENT DOWN. SO IF WE LOOK AT MUSCLE FIRST AS YOU'D EXPECT A LOT OF CHANGES, THERE ARE ACTUALLY MORE ON DAY THREE THAN ON DAY 21. AND YOU GET A LOT MORE THINGS GOING UP THAN GOING DOWN. IN SERUM, A LOT OF THINGS CHANGED AS WELL, ALTHOUGH ABOUT TWICE AS MANY ARE GOING DOWN AS GOING UP. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES IN SERUM MORE THAN ANYWHERE EFLTION AT 2 --THINGS HAVE STABILIZED. NOT ANYWHERE NEAR DAY THREE WHEN MUSCLES BECOME HYPERTROPHY BUT DAY 21, WE'RE GOING DOWN THAN WE'RE GOING UP. IN FACT AT DAY THREE, VERY LITTLE HAPPENS. 14 METABOLITES WERE CHANGED IN DAY 3. BUT DAY 21 THERE WERE A LOT MORE IN 69. ALL OF THEM WENT UP AND NOTHING WENT DOWN IN DAY 21. SO I'LL START WITH THE MUSCLE AND THE SERUM. I'LL SHOW ALL OF THESE AMINO ACID PATHWAYS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. I'LL JUST LIST THEM OPERATED AT NON-E SO MUCH FIRST EVENTUAL -- NON-ESSENTIAL VERSUS ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS. THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE MUSCLE AND A LOT OF OF THE ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS. THE NON-ESSENTIAL IS MORE MIXED A FEW GOING UP AND A FEW GOING DOWN. AND AT DAY 21, YOU HAVE EVEN MORE OF THE ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS THAN BOTH GOING DOWN. BUT STILL THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH OF A CHANGE OF THE NON-ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS. ONE THING THAT WAS CHANGED IN RELATION TO AMINO ACIDS WERE THE POLY AMINES AND THESE ARE -- AND THE WAY I'M SHOWING THIS, WORDS THAT ARE IN GRAY ARE THINGS THAT WERE NOT DETECTED IN THIS PARTICULAR TISSUE BY METABOLITES BUT THEY ARE IN THEIR LIBRARY. ACTUALLY I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THEM WERE IN THE LIABLE BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR TISSUE THEY WERE NOT DETECTED. AND IF THEY'RE STILL IN BLACK, THERE'S NO CHANGE. SO THE RED IS MUSCLE DAY THREE INCREASE AND -- WENT UP THREE AND-A-HALF WHICH IS CONSIDERABLE AND SPERM DEAN WENT UP 1.8. THE POLY MEANS TEND TO GO UP WHEN THE TISSUE IS GROWING WHETHER IT'S DIVIDING OR IT'S JUST INCREASING IN SIZE. AND TYPICALLY A MUSCLE THEY'VE BEEN SEEN TO INCREASE WHEN MUSCLE IS BECOMING HYPERTROPHIED SAY BY AN GEN STIMULATION OR BY EXERCISE. IT'S ALSO BEEN SEEN TO INCREASE IN REGENERATING MUSCLE AND CONVERSELY IF YOU'RE UNDER GOING ATROPHY THEY GO DOWN. BUT WHAT THE ACTUAL - ROLE IS IT'S NOT AT ALL CLEAR. SO THEN AT DAY 21, THE PRECURSOR IS ACTUALLY GOING DOWN. IT IS STILL ELEVATED COMPARED TO WILD TYPE BUT IT'S LESS THAN IT WAS AT DAY THREE WHEN MUSCLE IS UNDER GOING HYPERTROPHY AND SPERM DEAN IS EVEN HIGHER HAS NOT IT WAS IN DAY THREE. THIS MAKES SENSES GIVEN WE'RE GETTING A BIG INCREASE IN SKELETAL MUSCLE MASS. SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME PATHWAYS HERE AND THE FIRST THING GLYCOLYSIS BECAUSE WE WOULD EXPECT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN GIVEN OUR OTHER RESULTS WITH THE DIABETIC MICE AND IMPROVED INSULIN HANDLING OF THE KNOCKOUT MICE. SO ALSO LINK IT UP TO THE TCA CYCLE. SO STARTING WITH MUSCLE ON DAY THREE SOME OF THESE IN GRAY WERE NOT DETECTABLE. AND THOSE IN RED HERE ARE BIO MOLECULES THAT INCREASED. AS YOU NOTICED NEAR THE TOP GLUCOSIX PHOSPHATE INCREASED 5.1 TIMES THREE DAYS AFTER THE INJECTIONS OF THE CYTORECEPTOR COMPARED TO PDF INJECTION. AND THE PHOSPHATE FOUR AND-A-HALF TIMES. SO WE WEREN'T EXPECTING ANYTHING QUITE THAT DRAMATIC. WE'RE DOWN THREE PHOSPHOGLIS RATE INCREASE BY 20%. BUT THERE WAS NO INCREASE IN -- WHICH YOU MIGHT THINK THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THIS PATHWAY. ALSO WANT TO NOTICE IS THE INCREASE IN GLUCOSE IN THE MUSCLE ITSELF, 1.6 SOMETIMES JOY TIMES WILD TYPE. AND YOU LOOKED AT GLYCOGEN AND GLUCOSE SIX PHOSPHATE CAN BE CONVERTED TO GLUCOSE ONE PHOSPHATE REVERSIBLE REACTION AND YOU ALSO SEE A BIG INCREASE THERE AT 3.7 INCREASE AT DAY THREE. AND YOU CAN'T DETECT GLYCOGEN IN THE PLATFORM BUT THEY CAN INJECT SMALL CHAINS OF MALTOSE WHICH WE INTERPRET AS GLYCOGEN BREAK DOWN WHEN IT'S NEARLY COMPLETELY BROKEN DOWN. AND EXPANDING THE GLYCOGEN MATT WAY, WE -- PATHWAY, WE CAN SEE DEXTROSE WHICH IS FOUR GLUCOSE MODULES TOGETHER INCREASE 4.3 AND THEN BELOW THAT, THREE TOGETHER IS 3.3 AND MALTOSE WHICH IS JUST TWO DISACCHARIDE INCREASED 3 BYT.3. THIS IS A RELEASE OF THE GLUCOSE ONE PHOSPHATE. SO GLUCOSE SIX FAUST IF A IT TO GLUCOSE ONE PHOSPHATE TO GLYCOGEN, THAT IS ELEVATED QUITE A BIT, JUST AT THE MUSCLE ON DAY THREE. THE BIG INCREASE IN FRUCTOSE WHICH CAN BE CONVERTED TO FRUCTOSE SIX PHOSPHATE AND A BIG INCREASE IN IN AN HE'S PHOSPHATE CAN BE CONVERTED TO FRUCTOSE. THE OTHER GLUCOSE SIX PHOSPHATE IS PEN TOE PHOSPHATE PATHWAY AND THIS CAN PRODUCE A LOT OF -- THAT CAN BE USED FOR BY OH SENT THITTIC PATHWAYS WITH FATTY ACIDS CHOLESTEROL. AND THERE'S AN INCREASE IN -- LIE BOAST WHICH IS NEEDED FOR NUCLEOTIDE SYNTHESIS. SO SOME OF THIS GLUCOSE PHOSPHATE IS IN THAT DIRECTION. HERE I'VE CIRCLED A ALL OF THE METABOLITES THAT ARE AT LEAST THREE FOLD INCREASE. I REALLY WAS NOT EXPECTING TO GET RESULTS THIS DRAMATIC BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT'S KIND OF CLOTTING UP THERE GLUCOSE SIX PHOSPHATE FRUCTOSE SIX PHOSPHATE. SO THEN IF WE LOOK AT DAY 21, AND THESE ARE, THESE NUMBERS ARE WRITTEN BELOW IN ITALICS. SO AS YOU SEE MOST OF THESE NUMBERS OF THOSE REALLY HIGH VALUES ARE A LITTLE BIT LOWER BUT THEY'RE STILL PRETTY HIGH. AND THE ONLY WUBLES THAT ARE ONES THAT ARE HIGHER THAN DAY THREE ARE THE MOLECULES FURTHER DOWN IN GLYCOLYSIS PATHWAY, PHOSPHOGLIS RATES, TWO PHOSPHOGLYPHS RATES SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED AND -- SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED. NOW YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE IN LARK TASTE 10%. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE SIGH CALL JUST. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE MORE OF THE METABOLITES IN THE -- FOR SOME REASON. WE NOTICED AT THE VERY TOP, THE SERUM GLUCOSE WHICH IS THE BLUE BAR. AND THAT WAS NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT AT DAY THREE. IT WAS ACTUALLY ELEVATED 1.3 AT DAY 21. AND THAT ONE WE'RE NOT EXPECTING. SO GLYCOGEN CAN BREAK DOWN AND MUSCLE DOES NOT INCREASE GLUCOSE IN CIRCULATION, IT CAN'T BE RELEASED SO THAT'S NOT THE SOURCE OF THAT. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE WERE FINDING WITH THE LIPO DISTROPHIC MICE WE WERE DECREASING GLUCOSE. SO ANOTHER THING THAT WE FOUND MORE AMINO ACID PATHWAY, IN GLUCOSE SIX PHOSPHATE IS CONVERTED TO -- LACK TONE INCREASE IN NADPH. THAT ALSO, THE REVERSE REACTION HELPS CATALYZE GLUCOSE OXIDIZED FORM TO THE REDUCED FORM. SO THERE'S AN INCREASE IN THE OVERALL ROOTS VERSUS OXIDIZED GLOOGLOOT THIGH OWN AND OXIDATIVE TRESS AND SIMILARLY AT DAY 2 1. AFTER THE INCREASE IN GLUCOSE IN SERUM, IT ALSO FOUND A CHANGE IN A MONOSACCHARIDE CALLED ONE FIVE -- THAT'S ACTUALLY FOUND IN FOOD AND IT DOESN'T GET BROKEN DOWN BY THE BODY. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT IT'S TAKEN UP INTO THE BLOOD STREAM WHEN YOUR FOOD IS DIGESTED. AND THEN IT CAN BE TAKEN UP INTO TISSUES, GET BACK INTO THE BLOOD. THE KIDNEY WILL REABSORB IT THE SODIUM GLUCOSE TRANSPORTERS AND SOME OF IT WILL BE EXSECRETED AND SOME WILL GO BACK INTO THE BLOOD. IF YOU'RE HYPER GLYCEMIC, GLUCOSE WILL COMPETE WITH ONE FIVE AG FOR THOSE TRANSPORTERS IN THE KIDNEY. SO THEN YOU ACTUALLY GET LESS FILTERED BACK INTO THE BLOOD AND MORE WILL BE EXCRETED. SO A DECREASE IN ONE FIVE AG TENDS TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU HAVE HYPERGLYCEMIA ABOVE 180 IN HUMANS ANYWAY. AND SO IT TAKES A WHILE TO BRING THAT BACK DOWN SO IT'S A MEASUREMENT OF HOW MUCH VARIATION YOU MIGHT HAVE IN GLUCOSE. SAY YOU CAN HAVE NORMAL BLOOD GLUCOSE HAPPENING IN THE DOCTOR BUT IF YOU HAVE LOWER [INDISCERNIBLE] MAY HAVE HAD SOME TIRE GLYCEMIC EPISODES. SO AS I MENTIONED THE GLUCOSE ITSELF WAS HIGHER. HOWEVER IN SERUM, THE ANTI--- WAS ALSO HIGHER WHICH SUGGESTS THE GLUCOSE IS HIGHER, IT'S NOT FLUCTUATING ABOVE 180, IT'S MORE STABLE. SO IF WE LOOK AT LIPIDS, NOT MUCH OF A CHANGE IN THE MUSCLE JUST SOME LONG CHAIN MOLECULES WENT UP. MIGHT NOT HAVE EXPECTED THAT. AND IN SERUM HOWEVER, SOME LIPO LIPIDS WERE CHANGE BEEN MIGHT BE SUGGESTING SOME TISSUES WERE REMODELING. AT DAY 21, REALLY NOTHING HAPPENED IN THE MUSTAL AS FAR AS THE LIPIDS. BUT IN SERUM, ALL OF THE ESSENTIAL AMINO ACIDS WENT DOWN. AND 11 OUT OF 19 OF THE LONG CHAIN FATTY ACIDS WENT DOWN AND WITH MORE THAN HALF. AND THE SKI TOKES HYDROXY BUTYRATE WENT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AT DAY 21 AND SUGGESTS LESS BETA OXIDATION IN THE ANIMAL. AND AGAIN THERE ARE SOME LIPO LIPIDS CHANGES. SO TO SUMMARIZE THE SERUM IN MUSCLE, YOU MIGHT EXPECT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN AMINO ACIDS WHICH MAKES SENSE IN TERMS OF THE HYPERTROPHIC GROWTH IN MUSCLE. AND SOME CARBOHYDRATES WERE CHANGED MORE THAN DRAMATICALLY THAN BE THOUGHT AND DIFFERENTLY THAN WE THOUGHT IN INCREASING GLUCOSE BUT NOT -- INCREASE IN GLYCO LYTIC MAYBE THE BREAK DOWN IN THE MUSCLE ITSELF. AND WITH THE LIPIDS, REDUCED FATTY ACIDS IN SERUM AFTER THE MUSCLE HAD HYPERTROPHY HAD STABILIZED IN LOWER KETONES SUGGESTING LESS LIPID OXIDATION. SO ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS BEING ABSORBED TAKEN UP BY OTHER TISSUE. SO NEXT WE'LL LOOK AT LIVER, AND IN THIS CASE, VERY LITTLE CHANGE AT DAY THREE OR AT DAY 21 IN TERMS OF THE AMINO ACIDS. THE CARBOHYDRATES AT DAY THREE NOT MUCH CHANGED EITHER. INCREASE IN LACTATE, THERE WAS SOME MORE GLYCOLYSIS SO WE CAN'T SEE IT IN OTHER MOLECULES AND AN INCREASE IN CITRATE. IN DAY 21, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT OUT HERE ON THE UPPER LEFT, IT DID LOOK LIKE MORE UDP GLUE COAST AT DAY 21 WHICH MIGHT SUGGEST MORE GLYCOGEN SYNTHESIS. THE DECREASE OF SEVERAL OUT OF OF THE OTHER SUGARS DECREASE OF LACTATES WAS THE ONLY MOLECULE THAT WENT IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN THE TWO DAYS. AND THE TPA CYCLE SEEMS TO BE BLOCKED. THERE'S LESS FLUX THROUGH THERE. LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SAME MOLECULES BUT IN DETERMINES OF GLUE OGLUCOGENESIS IN DAY THREE, IT CAN BE A PRECURSOR FOR GLUCOGENESIS. -- WENT DOWN LATER. THERE'S INCREASE IN -- PHOSPHATE ONLY AT DAY 21 BUT SIMULTANEOUSLY A DECREASE IN GLUCOSE. SO SOME REGULATION AT THE POINT OF FRUCTOSE PHOSPHATASE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IN GLOOT THIGH OWN HOWEVER THE REDUCED FORM WENT DOWN AND THIS MIGHT SUGGEST -- IF WE LOOK AT THE LIPIDS WHICH IS PROBABLY MOST INTERESTED IN THE LIVER, SOME INCREASES AT DIE THREE. ONE OF THE ESSENTIAL OF THE LONG CHAIN FATTY ACIDS. IN ONE OF THE KETONES WENT DOWN TO .82. AT 21 WE THOUGHT THE MA TAB LITTLE GO DOWN AND MOST OF THE ESSENTIAL LONG CHAIN FATTY ACIDS WENT DOWN. THIS MIGHT MAKE SENSE IN SOME OF OUR PHENOTYPES IN GENERAL IN THE MUTANTS WHERE WE SEE LESS TRY GLIS RAIDS FOR SURE -- TRIGLYCERIDES IN THE LIVER ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MICE EXTREME MODELS AND BOTH KEY TONES WERE DOWN WITH LESS OXIDATION IN THE LIVER AT DAY 21. AND THE FAT. SO NOTHING HAPPENS AT DAY THREE. NO CHANGES IN AMINO ACIDS. BUT AT DAY 21, MOST OF THEM WERE INCREASED. YOU DID NOT SEE THAT COMING AND I'M REALLY NOT SURE WHY THEY WOULD NECESSARILY BE INCREASED. THAT THEY'RE BLOCKING SYNTHESIS OF PROTEINS PERHAPS. IF WE LOOK AT THE POLY AMEANS AND THE YOU'RE AWE CYCLE THAT DAY 21 IS THE TIME WE ACTUALLY SAW A BIG CHANGE FOR ANY OF THESE MOLECULES. WE SEE AN INCREASE IN SMER SPERM DEAN -- THERE'S AN INCREASE IN PROLIEN AND THE SPAR TASTE. THE BIGGEST AND MOST DRAMATIC CHANGE HERE IS IN OWNER THEME INCREASED 5.1. THE UREA CYCLE GETS RID OF NITROGEN AND SOME PROTEINS ARE BROKEN DOWN. SO I'M NOT SURE WHY THE OWNER THEME WOULD BE UP 5.1. SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE INCREASE IN AMINO ACIDS AND KIND OF STRESS. OKAY. IF WE LOOK AT THE GLYCO LYTIC PATHWAY NOTHING CHANGED AT DAY 3 BUT AT DAY 21 THE GLUCOSE IS ALSO UP IN FAT AS WAS MAN HOST AND GLUCOSE SIX PHOSPHATE -- PHOSPHATE, SORRY. AND THEN THE LIPIDS IN FACT ALMOST NOTHING HAPPENED AT DAY THREE AGAIN AND THEN AT DAY 21, IN ADDITION TO INCREASE IN AMINO ACIDS INCREASE IN THE FATTY ACIDS, PARTICULARLY THE MEDIUM CHAIN FATTY ACIDS AND AN INCREASE IN LIP TOE LIPIDS. MAYBE FAT IS THE TISSUE THAT'S ACTUALLY HAVING SOME KIND OF MEMBRANE MODELING OCCUR. SO IF YOU TRY TO PUT IT TOGETHER, WHAT WE SAW IN CIRCULATION, OVERALL DECREASE IN AMINO ACIDS WHICH MAKES SENSE IF THEY GOT SHIFTED OVER INTO GROWING CELLS IN THE MUSCLE. AN INCREASE IN GLUCOSE AT DAY 21 BUT AN INCREASE IN -- WHICH INDICATES MORE STABLE GLUCOSE LEVELS. AND A DECREASE IN KETONES ESSENTIAL AND LONG CHAIN FATTY ACIDS WHICH IS A DECREASE OXIDATION IMPROVING THE FATTY ACID PROFILES SHOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE INFLUENCE SENSITIVITY. COULD THIS MEAN REDUCED OXIDATION, REDUCE HIGH PAUL SUSOR SOME EFFECT ON LIQUID ABSORPTION IN MUSCLE DECREASE IN SOME OF THE AMINO ACIDS, THE AMINO ACID POOL IS STABLE. AND A BIG INCREASE IN MANY OF THE CARBOHYDRATES. SO THE QUESTION IS GLYCOGEN BROKEN DOWN IN MUSCLE. THE LIVER IS A DECREASE IN GLUCOSE UNLIKE EVERY OTHER TISSUE OR SERUM AND DECREASE IN LACTASE SO PROBABLY LESS GLYCOGEN, SORRY, LESS GLYCOLYSIS IN THE LIVER MIGHT BE SEEING AN INCREASE IN GLYCOGEN SYNTHESIS AND IN THAT TISSUE WE ALSO SEE AN INCREASE IN -- STABLE GLUCOSE LEVELS. AND DECREASE IN KETONES ESSENTIAL AND LAWMPING FATTY ACIDS JUST LIKE IN CIRCULATION. SO THEY ALSO WILL BE HAVING, COULD THAT TISSUE BE HAVING BETA OXIDATION. YOU MIGHT EXPENSE AN APRIL CORROSION ACTUALLY. FINALLY ADIPOSE ON THE LOWER RIGHT BASED ON INCREASE AMINO ACIDS -- UREA CYCLE AN INCREASE IN A FEW CARBOHYDRATES HAD AN INCREASE IN FATAL AND FATTY ACIDS -- SO THE ADIPOSE IN SOME KIND OF CATABOLIC STAGE, MEMBRANE REMODELING. IF WE COULD KEEP THIS EXPERIMENT GOING FOR MONTHS, WOULD WE SEE LESS FAT. LESS FAT SIGNS THAN IN WILD TYPE ANIMALS. SO THE FINAL QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW UP, WHAT ARE THE GLYCOGEN CONCENTRATIONS IN MUSCLE AND LIVER. SO MUSTAL MUSCLES THAT INCREASE FLUX OR DECREASE IN GLYCOGEN. AND TRIGLYCERIDE CONCENTRATIONS IN THE LIVER. SO THE QUESTION IS PHOSPHOLIGHT ACTIVITY IN FAT INCREASEDDED IN DAY 21 WITH MORE FATTY ACIDS YET NOT INCREASED IN SERUM SO WHY THAT. THIS MYOSTATIN REGULATES SOME OF THIS METABOLIC ENZYMES DIRECTLY WHERE WE SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN METABOLITES. AND FINALLY CAN WE TAKE SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND GO BACK TO OUR DIABETIC MICE THAT ARE TREATED WITH MYOSTATIN INHIBITORS AND GET SOME INSIGHTS THERE AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ANIMAL FAT IN DECREASED GLUCOSE. SO I THINK I MENTIONED MOST OF THE PEOPLE AS I WAS GOING ALONG, I WANT TO THANK PEOPLE IN THE LAB, JEN LANG, NICOLE -- JENNIFER -- WHO DID A LOT OF THE LIPO DISTROPHIC WORK AND WE GET A LOT OF WORK THROUGH THIS -- METABOLIC CORE, THE NIDDK AND SOME REAGENTS AND MY FORMER MENTOR -- I WANT TO THANK PEOPLE AT MA TAB LAWN WHO HELPED US A LOT IN ORDER TO DO THE LAST PART. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. [APPLAUSE] >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THE ONLY NATURAL ONES KNOWN ARE THE FULL STATIN 3 -- PROTEINS THAT THE BODY PRODUCES TO NORMALLY REGULATE IT. AS FAR AS LIKE A SUPPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THE MARKET BRIEFLY, SOME EXTRACT AND SOME SUPPLEMENT CALLED MYO STAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT CLAIMING IT WAS MYO STATIN BUT IT WASN'T FOR REAL -- SO FAR NOTHING IS KNOWN. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> MYOSTATIN AND THE -- THEY'VE BEEN SHOWN TO COMPETE FOR BINDING. THAT IS A REALLY COMPLICATED QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WOULD GET INCREASED EMP SIGNALING IN SOME OF THESE TISSUES. POSSIBLY. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY TAKE IT ON -- ALREADY THERE. MAYBE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MUTANTS FOR INSTANCE IS THAT WHEN NEW ENERGY IS TAKEN IN, IT'S GOING INTO MAINTAINING THAT LARGER MUSCLE MASS AS THERE'S LESS TO, THE MUSCLE TAKES YOU MORE GLUCOSE AS THERE'S LESS GLUCOSE TAKEN OVER BY FAT SO THERE'S LESS ENERGY STORED AS FAT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> RIGHT. SO IF YOU INCREASE MUSCLE MASS AFTER THE FACT, AT LEAST BY THIS METHOD YOU DON'T SEE AS BIG A DIFFERENCE, YOU DON'T SEE MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL IN THE OVERALL FAT MASS PADS YOU DO IF YOU'VE GOT IT IN A TRANSGENIC MOUSE. ACTUALLY IN THE MUTANTS IF WE LOOK REALLY EARLY WHEN WILD TYPE HAS VERY LITTLE FAT, THERE'S NUT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE AT ALL. SO WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IS THE WILD TYPE IS GAINING FAT AS THEY AGE WHEREAS THE MUTANTS ARE NOT GAINING FAT AS THEY AGE. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THE MUTANTS SOMEHOW REALLY BALANCE THEIR ENERGY EXPENDITURE AND THEIR ENERGY INTAKE PERFECTLY SO THEY'RE NOT GAINING WEIGHT. WILD TYPES HAVE A SLIGHTLY POSITIVE ENERGY BALANCE WHICH OVER TIME MAKES THEM FARTHE FATTER AND FATTER. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] SOMEONE ELS>> THERE'S A SIMILAR IDEA AND DID MICRO RAY ON THE MUSCLE AT TWO DAYS AND TWO WEEKS INSTEAD OF THREE DAYS AND THREE WEEKS LIKE WE DID. SO IT WILL BE GOOD TO GET AT LEAST THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. NOBODY TO MY KNOWLEDGE HAS DONE LIVER AND FAT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> WE DO HAVE SOME MICRO RAY FROM THE DOMINANT NEGATIVE TRANSGENICS. SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OF THEM AND FOR INSTANCE OWNER THEME DECAR BOX LACE IN MUSCLE WENT UP LIKE THREE FOLD AND THAT CONVERTS OWNER THEME -- ORNITHINE ALSO INCREASES FAT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> NOBODY LOOKED AT ANY PREVENTION TYPE. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> DID THEY PROVE WHAT? >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THEY DEFINITELY REPRODUCED. I WOULD SAY THAT THE KNOCKOUT FEMALES DON'T REPRODUCE ALL THAT WELL. THE MALES ARE BETTER. THE DOMINANT NEGATIVE TRANSGENICS STILL REPRODUCE REASONABLY WELL. ONE THING THAT WE CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN IS THE KNOCKOUT HETEROZYGOUS WE DON'T GEL A FULL 25% WE GET 18% HOMOZYGOUS. IT SEEMS TO BE RIGHT AROUND BIRTH. THERE'S A GENETIC BACKGROUND WHEN WE CROSS IT INTO THE DBA BACKGROUND WE CAN'T GET ANY KNOCKOUT PAST TWO DAYS. THEY DEFINITELY CAN MOVE SO THE MUSCLE'S FUNCTIONAL SO MAYBE THERE IS SOME METABOLIC PROBLEM THAT'S MORE EXTREME THAN THE DBA IN SOME OF THE OTHER GENETIC BACKGROUNDS. THERE ARE A FEW BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> THAT WAS LIVER. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> DECREASED OXIDATION. AT BOTH 21 AND A LITTLE BIT AT DAY 3. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] >> I GUESS THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON-LINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR